i'm almost done grinding out my favorite aspects on every weapon to 5, then going down casting since I haven't figured out the mechanics around hera/other cast builds yet
#h1-builds-and-combat
full nova
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honestly cast builds revolve around mirror work as much as anything
its weird to me how they put casts in the game
its like they didnt want them to be good until midgame for some reason
full nova
ya my purple mirror is maxxed haven't even touched green side reall, other than maxxing fated persuasion
which tbh with keys didn't really need to max it
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oh heck then youre straight
if you've got a purple wall thats more than enough to work from
full nova
what should I be looking at on green side? most of them don't seem to have much oomph
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yeah cast builds are wonky but fun
full nova
fated was the only obvious one over it's purple counterpart
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honestly the green ones are either just straight cheeks or for quite advanced players and situations
they're really, really mostly more edge case upgrades and choices
full nova
got it
rare kindle
Only good green ones that should be taken every time are dark foresight and fated persuasion
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i feel like the green part of the mirror is for the 90th percentile of the playerbase and up
for the most part
rare kindle
The other green ones are more situational
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yeah what @rare kindle said
but i stan fated authority too so dont neglect it
i encourage you to try it out sometime and see how it can shape your runs in different ways
it's particularly good for zeus and artemis runs
full nova
ya I at least wanted to finish nyx + chaos before I invested the darkness there
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sure
rare kindle
I go back and forth between family favorite and privileged status
full nova
yeah, it seems like the game gets hellbent sometimes on a certain set of gods and fated authority would be nice there.
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family favorite for artemis runs
priveledged status for everything else
good luck making up 40% on all but the most outrageous of runs, and thats with shoehorning gods in
and and that'll be at styx, if youre lucky
full nova
golden touch seems great for titan's blood grinding though
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whereas PS is exactly 2 lucky boons from being online for the whole rest of the run
yes yes it is
rare kindle
yeah, but that 25% is a constant boost, not something that needs to be reapplied
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grind golden touch for styx blood
grind it all day
@full nova you are actually in that stage of the game now
full nova
and stubborn defiance seems useful when you're at -100% health regen
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blood or diamond every single ru
run
mmhmmmm
get those upgrade items
no shop crutching
full nova
oh, so keep running up pact even if I haven't finished elysium/hades?
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you can
full nova
what do you mean blood or diamond every run?
leaden bay
I think they mean hoard 1k for Styx.
full nova
ahh
👍
so probably shouldn't run the +40% gold on my pact for all of that.
and run other stuff
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yes
free heat items
tight deadline
middle management
the one that gives yellow bars some buffs (one stack is free, two can be a problem)
extreme measures
full nova
ya running em2 now
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if you have 30 clears to your name go put EM2 on right now and never take it off again
ok good
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oh? Thats handy
full nova
ohh awesome.
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damn never knew that
then rack that up to 100% lol
boy i wish i knew that when i was grinding!!!!
talk about free heat
lets see what else, lemme look
full nova
i'm running one of the blue bars as well
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yeah that is good
Damage control is free on fists and rail particularly
or chiron
or rama
or shield honestly if you have zeus or dio
lots of people reccomend forced overtime but its a yikes for me
something to try on for size is actually one level of routine inspection
I kind of like that, it basically leaves you with everything but your RNG manupilation stuff
so its like new game +
rare kindle
I tried putting on benefits package 2 and I got some pretty bad combos and I thought forced overtime was easier
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where you are powered up but have the boon RNG of a lil nublet
so you have to place your faith in the heart of the cards and make it work
yeah now hang on
theres a big difference between BP1 and 2
full nova
yeah I did a run with routine inspection that was nuts.
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i take FO before i go BP2
I like RI. its one of the first things i reach for if i want to really start adding heat
rare kindle
yeah, benefits package 1 is pretty easy, the second level is when it gets difficult
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one stack at least
if i ignore the lack of RNG manipulation it stops being there for me
also gerred dont know how much youve played with tight deadline but 2 stacks is basically free
until you start getting way further up in difficulty and 7 minutes actually starts becoming a problem
full nova
yeah I hadn't messed with that yet.
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if you're under 15 heat you should be able to do 7 minutes a floor holding your controller backwards, generally
my default cruising heat settings are EM2, MM, BP1, TD2 for 10 heat
and i keep it there so i have access to erebrus through asphodel
and i dont really feel a terrible difficulty spike with those settings
misty turret
lol beat hades without even taking damage this time
maxed out all my aspects in 4/6 weapons, just 2 more aspects to go
versed igloo
Guan Yu's spear is BADASS!!!!!
balmy portal
50% is a lot better than 70%
agile plover
But it feels bad in Elysium
balmy portal
it's also somewhat hammer dependent
if you get fast charge you can stun lock something in a spinning thrown spear of self healing
drowsy hornet
I did my first Guan Yu run last night, was my first clear with spear. I won, but it felt bad and I had no business winning. I was actually annoyed to see Patroclus because I was looking forward to just losing by Theseus and being done with that run
misty turret
dry ember
ayy
dry ember
Skewer?
hot crane
Beat Charon in Tartarus with Arthur, died in the next room to a Witch 🥲
coral cave
Since forever
keen mesa
it's always been a percentage, starting at like 75% for common...
coral cave
In early access?
rare kindle
are you running any level of lasting consequences?
keen mesa
I started playing the game on Hell Mode
which makes you run with lasting consequences 1
coral cave
Ah that explains it then
abstract flower
For Rama, out of these hammer boons, which one should I go with?
Triple Shot
Twin Shot
Explosive Shot?
rare kindle
triple or twin are the best ones
misty turret
100 clears https://i.imgur.com/RDACfE4.png 
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Can someone tell me if triple shots hitbox is deceptive or do people actually figure out how to make something that wide work?
Congratulations!!! @misty turret
Cause it seems to me like triple is waaaay too spread out to be practical
@abstract flower explosive shot rama is technically bonkers but more of a meme with its charge time as I understand it
misty turret
3 centuries of charge time for power shot yea
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https://i.imgur.com/QVkUo15.png ayy
So hey, switch peasant here. What is this achievement?
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Oh nice
misty turret
which is 15 encounters without taking damage in one run
i kinda really like achilles spear
ayy i got it again https://i.imgur.com/HsWUHNA.jpg
keen mesa
nice!
ripe glade
|| I'm not sure about this.. would like to ask... what's the general view on using mods?... I've played for quite a bit now.. and been looking into speedrunning... I see from some vids, that they use mods to set up mods to ensure certain boons, etc... is this frowned upon??... is it considered cheating?... ||
forest marsh
It's not considered cheating if you're not misrepresenting their use. As for speedrunning, they have specific rules about what is and isn't allowed in runs that are submitted to the leaderboards. If you want to find out more, you can find links to both the Speedrunning and Modding discord servers pinned in #self-promotion
sonic crypt
I wasn't aware they allowed modding at all 
obviously they have the seeded category but thought it was always vanilla game
proven osprey
Oh no you still can't submit modded runs
forest marsh
People usually use mods to practice
proven osprey
but for practice you can use em
sonic crypt
Ah fair fair
ripe glade
ah ok.. yeah.. I abide by rules always.. gaming all my life... I would not use anything that was considered as cheating or against community ethics..
proven osprey
You have to pet Cerberus
forest marsh
Definitely check out the servers though if you're looking to get into it. They have good communities there, too
ripe glade
no no.. he bites me
ah ok.. thanks for that
I've think I've gone as far as I can go.. would like new challenges.. will look into it.. thanks wightfyre
forest marsh
placid tundra
Finally got the Aspect of Guan Yu to level 5; is it any good, or only merely "usable" at that point?
rare kindle
I’m a little confused about deadly reversal, does the crit chance apply to all sources of damage?
Because I got athena’s dash too, and this is mainly a cast build using Poseidon’s cast
ripe glade
@placid tundra I've been told off before.. you can't mention the name of hidden aspects... use spoiler tags.. or just call it the hidden aspect... :S...
placid tundra
It says spoilers allowed in this channel?
misty turret
in this channel spoilers are fine
proven osprey
spoilers are allowed here
forest marsh
That's channel dependent, yeah
ripe glade
oh
rare kindle
Yeah, spoilers ok here
ripe glade
sorry then
proven osprey
Finally got the Aspect of Guan Yu to level 5; is it any good, or only merely "us...
It's good but requires practice
misty turret
GY is alright, i prefer achilles
forest marsh
We try to keep spoilers to a minimum in #h1-discussion and #h1-for-new-players
proven osprey
if you want a quick guide
nocturne pivot
ah ok.. yeah.. I abide by rules always.. gaming all my life... I would not use...
Just don't pull a dream
ripe glade
lol
misty turret
i dont even visit #h1-for-new-players and like 80% of my messages have spoiler tags in #h1-discussion
ripe glade
I just use it as general practice now.. lol.. in any channel.. sorry guys
misty turret
only two aspects for me left to max out now
hera (level 2) and zeus (not unlocked) :/
rare kindle
I’ve fully maxed out three weapons now
nocturne pivot
I've gotten so used to spoiling certain topics that I do it when I talk about hades in other servers
misty turret
on the side ive been working on maxing bonds with the npcs 10/25 so far
still no shortage of ambrosia despite me spending 60 on the companions : |
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Keep ambrosia around
How unlocked are your weapons?
Ambrosia is great spare blood
I ran out of things to do with ambrosia long before I stopped needing blood
But I also burnt the fated list down like a terminator and got all that so ymmv
misty turret
How unlocked are your weapons?
only two aspects for me left to max out now
and i still have yet to do epilogue so that's another 20 ambrosia waiting
drowsy hornet
I'm about to attempt one of these so-called easy-mode shield runs
I've got a fully-upgraded Zag shield
I don't trust Zeus/Poseidon keepsakes. I find that if I resort to a keepsake, the game punishes me and I'll never see that god again in the run, and Z/P builds require a ton of boons to get going
Thoughts?
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You wrong bro
Place your faith in the heart of the cards
Your grandpas deck has no bad cards
Brosiedon and zeus on zag shield is an A+ unga bunga build
Only thing is
To make it best it really wants Poseidon attack for sea storm
And to make that best you want the double attack hammer
To tone down some of the knockback
And that is some rng dependency
So I guess what I'm saying is trust your keepsakes
And if you get offered zeus attack first don't be scared to take it
Though you maybe want splash dash at that point
Zeiss and Poseidon are jack and coke they're just meant to go together somehow
And you always always want sea storm
drowsy hornet
I mean, I've tried it before and the RNG has not been in my favor
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This is a roguelike bro
Light your candles to saint blesstia
Say your prayers to RNGesus
Take the right mirror upgrades and trust in the heart of the cards
I promise you, the deck is stacked on your favor in this game
I'm from Las Vegas, I know gambling
The house is in your favor here with the right mirror stuff
sonic crypt
ah the blessed sword man wall of text ramble which just makes enough sense for it to not be considered spam 
drowsy hornet
Heart of the cards has given me Zeus special and Dio attack
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It's a curse
drowsy hornet
I'm not mad about it
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Doom, to be exact
sonic crypt
Heart of the cards has given me Zeus special and Dio attack
scint feast scint feast
drowsy hornet
I don't have Dark Foresight, is that a mirror upgrade?
sonic crypt
I just consider sword to type literally as it comes to his mind, his messages are just a direct stream with no editing
rare kindle
Yes, mirror upgrade
It’s the green side of the mirror
When fully upgraded, you get 20% more gold laurel rooms (in run stuff) and less permanent progression stuff (blue laurel rooms)
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Yeah that's an important upgrade
You can think of that perk as the farming switch
Farming switch is on, you get more darkness gems keys etc
Farming switch is off you get more powerful runs
Off being invoking dark foresight for more boons
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@unkempt geyser prompt: green mirror perks aren't cheeks. Let's start with fiery presence or whichever you want to call on as a reference. Sell me.
I want to have a civil debate and learn the other side
zinc robin
Hey, how do you guys feel about lambent plume?
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Very good if you luck out and find Hermes attack plus for move speed
opal lodge
fiery is amazing for speedrunning
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Ok I will concede dark regen to be neutral
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And fiery for folks that are gud
turbid needle
fiery arthur question mark
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I concede fiery, money perk and dark regen
opal lodge
ok stubborn defiance is good for high heat
zinc robin
I just had a super fun run with the lambent plume. I got like, +25 dodge chance and stacked it with max zag fists
It was a lot of fun
opal lodge
stygian soul is better cast uptime if you get an extra cast
and is generally better for nonlodging casts
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But sensitive
plush fog
I feel like we have reached the point of green mirror perks aren't all cheeks lol
opal lodge
^
turbid needle
green mirror is more niche but powerful in its own right
opal lodge
i can keep going
zinc robin
Wdym cheeks?
plush fog
Wdym cheeks?
bad
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The point I was making in the other channel is that it feels like SG really specialized the greens outside of the realm of usability for mortal players
opal lodge
persuation > authority, dark foresight > olympian favor
turbid needle
those two r like hands down better
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Like the purples are so much more useful over such a wider bandwidth
Bottom doesn't count of course, all RNG manipulation mirrors are good
Just how you play them
unkempt geyser
thats why i said it feels like it was deliberate to make them more situational
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I guess
unkempt geyser
you have your more general use ones and then your advanced set
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I respect the decision to cater to a more advanced crowd
I guess I'm just not used to seeing it in such a pure form
mighty ermine
yes
turbid needle
yeah
opal lodge
more boons good
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Perks that really don't matter until you're at 30+heat like SD
mighty ermine
more health, more poms, more boons
turbid needle
I still think PS and family favorite should swap colors tho
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See foresight is great but I like being able to turn it off for more resources for farming
turbid needle
yeah
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I think that's an example of a great job sg did with the choices
opal lodge
well
if we're counting meta resources huge catch is an S tier boon
if we're not
it's still S tier
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Lol
opal lodge
but slightly less
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Yes
frail schooner
400 obols
mighty ermine
the bulk of darkness and gems comes from non-bounty boss rewards and troves anyways
turbid needle
I mean I was getting more than enough darkness with maxed dark foresight
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Tru
turbid needle
vanquishers keep is busted
mighty ermine
gem farming before it was downright painful
turbid needle
bruh
opal lodge
and then went to the #h1-high-heat-strategies and the first suggestion i got was "use dark foresight lol"
mighty ermine
lmao
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Lol
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I always forget what labels are what 🙈
mighty ermine
and the way it also affects hermes and chaos is just great
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I like more boons and more duos
Because I swear the duo and legendary % is more than +10
The game lies
turbid needle
Hades is nice to the player from my experience
note that the highest heat I've done is 32 but I've only ever had one run that felt unwinnable
cosmic torrent
what's the point of the mirror perk for extra rare boons when there's already another mirror perk for more epic boons?
seems a bit redundant to me
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Rare and epic pools roll separately
plush fog
bc sometimes you really need duos so you don't want to take the one for more epic
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Also that
So just because you have chance for epic doesn't mean your chance for rare automatically goes up
It's a triage strategy boon
Perk*
cosmic torrent
oh
dry ember
Remember a lot of boons in the game is not pommable
cosmic torrent
so the epic perk means that rare boons have a higher epic chance, and the rare means commons have a higher rare chance?
dry ember
40% rare is a lot
cosmic torrent
like boons that would normally be rare
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From zero-given rarity
Think of it this way
Every boon starts off common and rolls for luck
Let's just say the odds are 80% common 10% rare 10% epic
Have the rare perk? Great. It's now 60% common 30% rare 10% epic
Have both? 40/30/30
Make sense?
cosmic torrent
yeah
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I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Some gold star correct me if I goofed up 😇
cosmic torrent
makes sense
echo veldt
do boons that fill your god gauge at the start of encounters stack?
echo veldt
i think so, unless i'm misremembering seeing athenas twice in this run
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There's certainly ones that make it charge faster
But Athena is the only one I can think of with a starting buff
echo veldt
ye i've seen those too, but i thought it was another "start with x% more gauge filled"
woulda been nice to start hades with 40% god gauge and athenas call 😩
regal garden
yeah athenas is really good
helps clear rooms with the right call
just run it pop a call
jagged grove
athena is amazing
regal garden
like you run in and apply lots of hangover
jagged grove
imagine using dio greater call
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Y'all
jagged grove
I mean I only noticed it becaues I died to that man about like 13 times
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Talk me into demeter cast
Tell me it isn't booty
Tell me I can fit it into any run decently
jagged grove
I can't
coral cave
demeter cast is terrible
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Hell with it, yolo rare crop roll
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Boom there both are
jagged grove
unless I'm running lc4
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You guys choose for me
jagged grove
then nourished is useless
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Nourished is rare
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Rare crop common
regal garden
i think nourished soul is a good run saver
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See what I mean when I go on about that heart of the cards stuff???
regal garden
can help you get that heath back you need for a boss or help you survive longer
jagged grove
nourished soul is amazing
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And for reference i am on a RI1 run now
jagged grove
strong fountain or whatever can also be run saving
regal garden
i think strong drink is probably more consistent
and jd rather have it
especially for styx
but nourished soul is like better in an emergency
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Yeah strong drink is great
regal garden
like for immediate health
regal garden
higher rarity strong drink is so worth it if you get it early enough
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Oh absolutely
Strong drink is hard worth no matter the rarity if you find it in Tartarus
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It never hurts to have
Ever
Early on or in desperation later
Strong drink solid
regal garden
if im running dio in tartarus i usually try to get like main attack slots or stuff before strong drink
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For sure. I’ll only spring for it if it’s epic and I know I can get attack rolling down the line
Gotta get that raw base % son
regal garden
yeah
jagged grove
it's super nice
even if you get it
in styx
cause full hp going into hades fight
regal garden
i mean id probably take it if i had nothing else to take
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Especially if you get a little lucky and hit a fountain room somewhere
jagged grove
and u get a bit of bonus damage
regal garden
because like yeah but
i usually
prefer premium vintage to it in styx
to get my max health gojng
fading garden
Are we talking about strong drink?
jagged grove
yuh
I mean like
if there are no other boons
then I'd go strong drink
over like afterparty or smt
regal garden
plus premium vintage not only gives
jagged grove
but yea vintage is rlly good
regal garden
max health but a random level
fading garden
Strong drink is a solid boon. Often times I am not trying to main dio, so having that support boon is very nice
regal garden
and a nectar for trading /cosmetic / relationships
jagged grove
yea
regal garden
whatever you need it for
jagged grove
I feel like dio isn't smt that like many people build as their main god
jagged grove
yup
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Dio is my main
regal garden
i mean i built that booze beam run
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Chad god best god
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Dio is s-tier conversation
fading garden
Dio is fun, but I am just experimenting with other gods right now.
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Best god hands down
regal garden
but dio main builds def take a bit od figuring out
so you can get the dps you need to win
fading garden
I will say that bad influence is a very good boon
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I literally take Dio out of a pagan desire to appease the god of gettin buckwild
fading garden
If 3 enemies are inflicted with hangover, you deal bonus damage
Epic is 91% bonus damage. Keep in mind, this is global damage!
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Dio revolves around cast for me
regal garden
oh
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His legendary is S T U P I D with cast and drunk
regal garden
yeah i never really pick that
regal garden
because uh i don't really focus on it that mcuh but maybe i should
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Dio cast s-tier
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Serious post
regal garden
like vintage / strong drink
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Bro scintillating feast 😘😘
regal garden
just my playstyle
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There’s your boss damage
fading garden
Having hangover makes it worth spreading out your damage. And bad influence not only increases the hangover damage but also any other damage you have
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Also scintillating feast and dio dem duo boon
fading garden
It sure does!
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But at the same tiiiiiiiime
regal garden
yes
ornate prawn
i actually discovered something interesting about dio dem duo
regal garden
ive run that it was amazing
ornate prawn
so normally you have to throw dio cast
regal garden
i believe i also had lightning rod oj the build
fading garden
I had a Hestia hangover build and bad influence was nuts!
ornate prawn
but when you have the duo it takes no time to throw!
ornate prawn
you aim it and it drops instantly!
regal garden
ice wine is great
regal garden
i love demeter boons they're p consistent
ornate prawn
they stack?
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It’s a freaking cannon
regal garden
yeah i had a 5 duo run with it
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YES
regal garden
yeah they stack
not like other duo boons for casts
like the crystal beam ones
or blades ones
ornate prawn
do curse of drowning and blizzard shot stack?
regal garden
no
ornate prawn
nuts
regal garden
they're way too different
fading garden
Nope. They modify your cast in very different ways
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No way Jose
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But anyway
regal garden
yeah go on
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Chad god best god
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I meme Dio truly
regal garden
i think my faves are artemis + ares
fading garden
It also makes absolutely no sense to stack cold embrace and crystal clarity. Like what would that even do?
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He is very helpful as a support god
regal garden
for multiple reasons
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Yeah those 2 mean business
ornate prawn
actually, i have a question for the chat and i don't want to interrupt
jagged grove
o: go ahead
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Ares has the 2 most broken duos and its nooooot close
regal garden
like someone called ares a himbo which is just false but i don't think dio is a himbo either he's just relaxed
fading garden
Interrupt away
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I call him a himbo most lovingly
regal garden
yeah i know but i don't think he is personally
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Dionysus hasn’t a thought in his head but having a good time, making sure others do, and getting groovy
fading garden
wth is a himbo
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And I love him for it
ornate prawn
so Routine Inspection is the last pact option i need to clear with for the prophecy
i just did a run tonight with chaos shield RI1
died to phase two
mostly because I was trying to get curse of drowning for that prophecy and neglected the rest of my build 
any advice on clearing RI1?
jagged grove
so Routine Inspection is the last pact option i need to clear with for the proph...
uh just try low heat or no heat
and go for it
regal garden
just go for something you don't need thst much
jagged grove
it's not that bad
regal garden
luck or control for?
regal garden
i would say
fading garden
When doing Routine Inspection, I don't recommend you trying to go for duos and legendaries. If they show, they show
regal garden
you still have ps / family favourite
fading garden
But just focus on your core build
jagged grove
yup^
regal garden
- all your survivability
regal garden
just go for a killer ps build and you've probably got it
jagged grove
or AP
ornate prawn
thanks for the advice!
regal garden
np
fading garden
Yeah. RI 1 locks both Fated Authority/Persuation and God's Pride/Legacy. Both those help greatly when trying to go for a specific build.
thorny plume
What should I spend my titan blood on?
regal garden
there's a reason it's such a hard condition
fading garden
But you don't have those with RI 1
regal garden
depends what weapons you use /like rhe most
yeah also dark foresight lack of that hurts
or favour but i prefer foresight these days
fading garden
Ah, I forgot about that one.
ornate prawn
some aspects can be good with just one or two levels unlocked
fading garden
Yeah, that is a common conclusion
ornate prawn
i put hera bow in the category of "good with one or two levels"
regal garden
like arthur you can
ornate prawn
because you get the core mechanic of loading cast
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Zag shield
regal garden
use that any level
regal garden
fun time
jagged grove
demeter fists
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Best 5 blood you can spend
jagged grove
low level
thorny plume
I like the spear, sword and the fists
ornate prawn
is poseidon sword good with one or two blood?
regal garden
yeah
ornate prawn
i should try it out sometime
regal garden
i used it and it was fun
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@chilly try talos fists
regal garden
did a fun cast special build
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The damage buff gets better as you level
regal garden
not sure if i got exit wounds
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But the real feature of talos is the GET OVER HERE
fading garden
If you really want a cast build, achilles is one of your best options
It's really hard to f it up
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^^^^^^
ornate prawn
i feel like you have to max all the alternate rail aspects to get the most out of them
regal garden
yeah
thorny plume
@chilly try talos fists
I unlocked that one, and I really do like it
regal garden
achilles is a great aspect to level
regal garden
no yeah i agree all thw rail aspects need blood to probably function at their best imo
not that ive played with hestia but it seems you want blood in it
mines only level 2
ornate prawn
hestia needs to be max for the big empowered shot
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They look boring because dodge sounds boring but you can have funny haha builds with it because it lets you be much sloppier and still do ok!
fading garden
Hidden rail is pretty fine without upgrades
regal garden
i would say
lucifer probably the least yeah
but extra special damage is nice
especially with triple bomb
thorny plume
I might just save the blood and upgrade tallos maybe
ornate prawn
i love doing eris with rocket cluster
thorny plume
The Achilles one has me intrigued
static karma
so how do dash iframes work
regal garden
yeah zag rail is a fun one
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Only s tier spear aspect
static karma
i don't fully understand them
regal garden
its served me well across many runs
ornate prawn
the big thing about dash i-frames is that they don't happen on dash strikes
thorny plume
Also, is there other ways to get titan blood besides buying it?
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Yeah the increased mag makes a big mental difference playing
fading garden
If you actually want opinions on what you should upgrade first, then I'd say achilles and Eris
Both are very versatile
regal garden
its probably one of the best zagreus aspects in terms of like as a starting one
ornate prawn
Also, is there other ways to get titan blood besides buying it?
you get two titan blood per weapon per heat level
regal garden
that and shield
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If you like fists though do talos
ornate prawn
you can buy it in end shop sometimes for 1200
and you can trade an ambrosia for it at the broker
thorny plume
I don’t see heat level, how do I unlock that?
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Talos is my favorite weapon and you’ll like it too
regal garden
don't use all your ambrosia for that though you need it
ornate prawn
I don’t see heat level, how do I unlock that?
get a clear
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But shield aspect is the best value you can get in the game for blood hands down
Zag shield
thorny plume
Ah I see
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For fully upgraded
ornate prawn
the most rare way to get titan blood is catching an ultra rare surface fish
which you trade to the chef for a blood
i've never caught one :(
regal garden
ive caught one sturgeon
i only need to catch one more
and all my non chaos fish codex entries will be complete
ive got alot of ambrosia from the surface its nice
ornate prawn
honestly if i were serious about chaos fish i'd probably do a huge catch meme run
regal garden
and diamonds but they're easier to get tbh
as in like
catching a bass is worth more to me in the long run than a trout
i think bass is ambrosia
ornate prawn
i've actually caught more of the ambrosia fish than the diamond fish
funny how RNG works
regal garden
yeah
i think its just
timings
i still need to catch a rare chaos fish for the codex like the legendary one
kinda annoying
regal garden
ive filled out the entry for the rare one though ans caught a mati
ornate prawn
wish they'd increase the rate to compensate
regal garden
the good thing about chaos fish
is that they give alot of darkness for mirror / cosmetics
sk they're always worth it
ornate prawn
like it might have the same spawn rate as regular fishing spot
but since you visit chaos less often it feels like you hardly ever get a chaos fish
regal garden
you can get like a boss worth of darkness for a single fish
yeah
i think the fishing spawn is also kinda rare
its def lower than greefe
greece
ornate prawn
i thought they raised it
regal garden
idk
ornate prawn
i heard it was low in early access because they dropped what the surface fish now drop
but then the surface fish got added and the chaos fish started dropping darkness
and they raised the rate to be the same as regular underworld fish
allegedly
regal garden
who knows
ornate prawn
oh god
imagine erebus fishing in the charon arena
regal garden
tbh i wish tartarus fish were worth more gems
at least the scyllascion
30 gems for a legendary feels underwhelming
even on first region
flameatee gives 5 keys
seamare 3 nectar
stonewhal 150
chaos one 500 darkness
and sturgeon 1 titan blood
fishing in erebus would be cool tbh
what resource would you get
untold vortex
I swear ||voidskate|| was 1000 darkness, must be misremembering things
forest marsh
I think it was at one point but was rescaled, yeah
regal garden
best check the wiki which i am not doing rn because i am going to try and sleep bye good chat
forest marsh
Night Chloe
untold vortex
ni ni Chloe
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Night
Y’all
Is zag shield real life
Is it just fantasy
How can something so simple and beautiful just be
Y’all
In your honor
Game just fed me a sturgeon in Greece
Lol
slim lynx
does bad news simply cause spells like crystal beam to do more damage?
forest marsh
Yes, spammy
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Basically anything that doesn’t embed gets a buff
Which means things like dio dem and ares are perma buffed
dapper wadi
Can y'all roast my build from my first victory yesterday
Zagreus fists, Lucky Tooth, Zeus attack, rare Ares special lv. 4, Demeter cast lv. 2, rare Athena dash lv. 3, Zeus call, colossus knuckle, Chaos's favor, stubborn roots, rare greater evasion, static discharge lv. 2, bronze skin lv. 3, greatest reflex, rolling knuckle, ravenous will
forest marsh
Seems like a solid build, honestly
dapper wadi
got me to the exit with 34 health and 0 DD left lol
forest marsh
33 more than you needed! 
dapper wadi
honestly wasn't entirely sure what i was doing with my build but something clicked
dapper wadi
no I mean the one called ___'s favor that gives you higher chance of rare boons
didn't really weigh into the final fight, I literally just listed all my boons regardless of relevance lol
dapper wadi
haha thanks
I think it saved me tbh
I had another run today and think I was saved by vengeful mood, with an athena vengeance
dapper wadi
literally everything about my build today went wrong, I was on rail and trying for Zeus attack and my first Zeus boon gave me options for special, cast, and dash lol
but I made it work
was also hoping for the one that made doom stack bc I had ares attack
jagged grove
ares duos are busted
dapper wadi
but I got cluster bomb and zeus dash and made it work
yeah vengeful mood was pog tbh
dapper wadi
i was like why am I getting the athena effect and then realized it was because of VE
jagged grove
by amazing I mean disgusting
dapper wadi
what's merciful end?
jagged grove
it's athena ares duo
you need athena dash and athena special
and ares attack
and what it does is that deflect abilities that deal damage instantly proc doom early
so impending doom buffs applied too iirc
so with like let's say fists
dapper wadi
that's what i meant but i said it bad lol
dapper wadi
I remember it was varime's build in his 25 min speedrun
jagged grove
you shred stuff
jagged grove
I remember it was varime's build in his 25 min speedrun
yuhhh
dapper wadi
gilga aspect?
jagged grove
which npc gives you fists hidden's aspect?
asterius in the miniboss fight
gusty dagger
It's a cast focused aspect
toxic steeple
i get the daedalus that gets you the holding q
damn op
but im a fan of aegis mobility
jagged grove
yea
I like beo sheild though
it's pretty fun
rn I'm having a blast with demeter fists, luci rail, gilga (though it is kinda clunky and not for everyone), achilles spear, arthur sword, zeus sheild, and rama/chiron bow
frozen saddle
After taking my time for once, I got to the final boss then died. And yeah, chill fists is so awesome. Got me to the final boss right away. Fists are my favorite weapon.
smoky oasis
Is Guan Yu special build viable? I tried it once with amphrodite but ran out of time and died in the end.
daring turtle
Yeah, Guan Yu's special is really powerful - get charged skewer and a good special boon, and maybe a chaos boon too, and you'll be destroying everything
slim lynx
guan yu + heartbreak flourish + charged skewer already does lots of damage
not to mention the skewer has sort of an aoe effect as it flies so you don't need perfect aim for it to be more viable than it already is
cosmic torrent
When you use ||Antos|| against a single enemy, does it attack that same enemy twice?
Like if you’re up against a mini boss or something?
slim lynx
great for fighting the third boss for very obvious reasons
hoary slate
No? A certain other Keepsake hits both for more
slim lynx
battie is also great for that, yeah
cosmic torrent
Is there any reason to use antos over battie, like, at all?
hoary slate
In Tartarus it does more than battie
cosmic torrent
True
Does battie do 5000 damage total against a single enemy?
With the double strike thing and all
hoary slate
what double strike?
cosmic torrent
Like it has the initial hit then the line
Or is that all in one strike
I forget
hoary slate
think it's just one hit for 2500
cosmic torrent
o yeah
cloud vault
Antos deals damage in a small area around the target.
If you time it just right it will hit both of them with both hits.
hoary slate
which would be 3000 damage total, but 1 double hit is more realistic. Also need to keep in mind at what point it's good to get that damage.
cosmic torrent
So it’s probably better for armoured enemies like minibosses or hydra
Where one hit depletes the armor then the other hits for health
slim lynx
except for when it doesn't actually deplete the armor 
warped hound
Does Exit Wounds scale with anything other than global damage bonus?
cloud vault
Poms
coarse moss
extra bloodstones
warped hound
Yeah, but I meant damage scaling bonuses
I don't see myself using Exit Wounds with Eris any time soon
coarse moss
works well if get quick reload from hermes
from there logical step to arty legendary
warped hound
Yeah, I was just wondering how to scale damage itself, since if I run cast builds I'll go for casts regardless
Probably Ravenous Will is the only option
since Demeter is already good supplementary on cast builds
junior tinsel
whats a cool fist build
i still havent beaten the game using fists
had a plan of build but rng isnt kind so wasnt able to build it properly
and then died kek
coarse moss
i still havent beaten the game using fists
do you have fist aspects?
fair cairn
default zag fist: artemis attack + aphro special, get heart rend, or zeus attack + aphro special
dio attack also works
nimble plank
what boons can go well with zag or achilles spear?
junior tinsel
do you have fist aspects?
already unlocked 3 of em
junior tinsel
i was gonna do ares cast with artemis duo build so i'll just rely on that but chaos just wouldnt include +cast and also the duo boon didnt drop too kek
so i struggled lol
coarse moss
the most powerful is merciful end build but finding the boon is luck ofc
nimble plank
what boons can go well with zag or achilles spear?
pls
junior tinsel
i did merciful end on my sword run
nimble plank
like what gods should i choose
junior tinsel
its pretty braindead build but i guess imma try it again
nimble plank
i can't think of anything
junior tinsel
what boons can go well with zag or achilles spear?
poseidon?
nimble plank
poseidon with?
coarse moss
zag spear is kinda bad, so takes some effort to make it work. achilles focus on cast build is pretty strong
junior tinsel
wasnt it poseidon aspect that is cast build
coarse moss
try zeus cast. bet on hermes giving you quick reload, and go for artemis exit wounds and her legendary
coarse moss
zeus jolted and legendary also nice
junior tinsel
stygian soul preferably right
coarse moss
yup
junior tinsel
and then pray you get cast from chaos
nimble plank
and i got an epic cast as the first boon
slim lynx
does using "breaching" hammers allow you to bypass shields in elysium or does it specifically mean "piercing projectile" hammers such as piercing shot or piercing volley?
limber cloak
i think they allow you to bypass shields
the aegis shield ones definitely do, not sure about the others
the aegis shield ones also allow you to bypass theseus' shield, iirc
proven osprey
Breaching is bonus damage to armor
Not gonna grant you piercing
Unless specified like breaching cross
proven osprey
Piercing is the ability for your attacks to continue their trajectory through enemies
mellow geyser
privileged status or family favorite?
proven osprey
It's either granted by a hammer (bow with piercing volley, rail with piercing fire (also not required except on Hestia) or inherent to the weapon
swift patio
I have family favorite i think
proven osprey
FF is more consistent, although you can go PS with a specific build in mind
proven osprey
yes
mellow geyser
What do they do
privileged status: 20%+ damage/level for every enemy with 2 status effects|
familly favorite: +2.5% damage/level for every olympiad who you have a boonh from