h1-builds-and-combat

[regal garden]

ish extra enemies

move speed is the worst idk why i took it

[hot crane]

Ill take it if the upside is worth it

[fading garden]

If I had curse of Agony, would increasing my attack damage increase the doom damage?

[jagged grove]

no, I do not think so

I'm pretty sure doom damage and attack damage are completely seperate things

[gusty rapids]

yes thats correct

increasing attack damage would increase your weapons base attack damage, not any secondary effects added onto it (like doom, zeus lightning, or hangover)

[jagged grove]

if it did then that would be pretty nutty

with chaos

imagine getting free 76% doom damage or smt like that

[opal lodge]

i mean thats why something like eris is broken

[regal garden]

how does

me eris work

is it broken

like if you get curse of agony

and divine flourish + dash

[pliant anvil]

broken, as in super strong? Not especially compared to other eris builds, but it'd still be ME.

[regal garden]

yeah i mean strong

[fading garden]

It doesn't take much for ME to be good.

Just don't run it with slow weapons like Arthur.

[dry ember]

ME Eris is... fine? Though wasted potential imo. Seastorm Eris just better and more consistent.

Honestly if you want to do Eris that is not Seastorm, maybe I suggest Curse of Drowning Eris?

[fading garden]

Hangover+Bad influence is also good

Hey FoxHope, what is the peer pressure glitch? You seem to be one of the few that actually know about it

[junior tinsel]

how do i unlock arthur sword

ive unlocked guan yu and beowulf already

you know what nvm, ill discover it on my own

[dry ember]

It's fixed, but basically you can do x8 damage under certain conditions. I'm not aware of the specifics myself because it was quite short lived.

[dense crown]

i got a sub 15 min run with my water gun shield xd

[arctic rampart]

I thought Aspect of Chaos shield would be neat but in practice I find it to be severely underwhelming

LF build ideas to make this feel like less of a ripoff

[dry ember]

Correct

Unless you have some sizable upgrades to it, Chaos is indeed underwhelming.

[arctic rampart]

The shields can't even bounce to other enemies

Otherwise it just kinda flies out into open, hit nothing, then return

And I can't do anything until it comes back

[dry ember]

No amount of build can make it less so. Just pretend it a Zag shield for now

Until you can get it to level 4 or 5

[arctic rampart]

Zag shield with a skin change

[dry ember]

It's a lot better at max obviously

[arctic rampart]

I'd sooner put my bloods into something that needs less of an investment

[dry ember]

It's called hera bow

2 blood and it's yours

[stone harbor]

Yeah, hera is really cost effective

[arctic rampart]

Think I already bought Hera

Although my Rama bow is higher leveled atm

[stone harbor]

Upgrading Hera only reduces the time your casts are stuck in enemies, if you really require more than one shot with casts per enemy, I would invest in the hermes boon that makes casts drop in 3 seconds

i would upgrade most other aspects before touching hera unless you play hera a lot

[arctic rampart]

Im happy with Rama atm, I'll dump more blood into Hera down the road

At least it's not Chaos shield

[drowsy hornet]

Any fun Guan Yu builds?

I imagine anything that reduces damage, increases dodge, or reflect would be helpful

Does increasing attack damage increase life gained?

[spiral badge]

Fun GY build: switch to Achilles

Seriously though, athena and aphro are your go tos for GY attack

[stray apex]

Guys i need ur help : For 6th heat what Punishment should i choose?

[spiral badge]

Apparently people like to play GY for the special but I prefer to be a spinny boi

And Aphro is great for damage/damage reduction

Athena gives you a tornado reflector

Pick your poison

@stray apex TD2, EM1-2, MM

[stray apex]

Td2?

[spiral badge]

Tight deadline

[stray apex]

What is alternate for TD2

[spiral badge]

Honest take: unless you suck at this game you’re already probably clearing floors in less than 7m and dont know it

Truly

[stray apex]

Im bad with TD

[spiral badge]

TD1 and one stack of one of the first 3

[stray apex]

Ok thanks

[spiral badge]

Forget you turned one of those on and you’ll forget its there

[stray apex]

I die to Dad in TD

[spiral badge]

But extreme measures is really good value for heat

Git gud, 7 minutes is generally plenty of time

Walk up to it at your pace though ❤️

[stray apex]

I can clear till Elysium at a pretty good time but Styx gets me

[spiral badge]

Middle management is generally free heat

The one that makes armored enemies have perks is a good buy at one stack

[dense crown]

only use ive found for chaos is throwing all the shields at one enemy for 5 stacks of hangover/chill/whatever lol

[spiral badge]

The one that gives enemies a single blue heart is good for 1 heat

[stray apex]

MM is ok for me

[dense crown]

but tbh i just prefer zag shields consistent damage

[spiral badge]

But youll want a faster weapon for it

Zag shield king shield

Reject chaos

Return to monke zag

[dense crown]

yeah i dont recommend the blue shield perk unless if youre using a weapon with charge attacks

unless u have a way to pop them fast like bow special

[spiral badge]

Yeah that’s definitely a conditional rec there

[stray apex]

I tried Hera for 6th heat Hades but died to him

[spiral badge]

Dont go taking blue shields if you’re using bow

Or Arthur

[dense crown]

its basically free heat on most gun builds

[spiral badge]

^^^

Fists too

[arctic rampart]

yeah I was hoping for more than just multiple shields flying out aimlessly

[stray apex]

I personally dislike Fists

[spiral badge]

Zag Shield Best Unga Bunga Weapon

[dense crown]

i dont like fists either

[spiral badge]

Fists take getting used to

They look good

[dense crown]

zag shield is literally my favorite weapon tho

[spiral badge]

Then you try then and they dont feel good because their damage is lacking

[stray apex]

Is Zag shield really good?

[spiral badge]

But then you learn them and then they’re actually good

[dense crown]

its just good

not really good

[stray apex]

I like Chaos Shield with Ares special

[spiral badge]

Zag shield is noob cannon supreme in this game

I say that with all love and adoration

2nd favorite weapon of mine in the game

Behind Talos fists

[dense crown]

its consistent and hard to have a bad run with

[spiral badge]

Pure unga bunga joy

[dry ember]

Compared to other shields, it's a bit underwhelming. Still good though

[stray apex]

I like eris rail and Chiron

[spiral badge]

It costs 5 blood

[stray apex]

The most

[spiral badge]

And will carry you through the first 1/3rd of the game

As in the total game, heat and all

[dense crown]

i dont like the other shields compared to zag at all

[spiral badge]

@dense crown glad to have found another zag shield stan

[stray apex]

What is bonus for Zag shield?

[spiral badge]

Base attack damage

[dense crown]

its just flat dmg on attack and dash attack

[spiral badge]

Pure

[stray apex]

Oh kk

[dense crown]

zeus is alright but every time i use chaos i just wish i was using zag shield lmao

[spiral badge]

Scales

[stray apex]

Beowulf is also good imo

With Trippy shot

[dense crown]

i havent experimented enough with beowulf

having so much delay on the bull rush makes it really un fun to me

[spiral badge]

Every time I use chaos shield I ask myself who the hell wants to play shield like this. Starting and stopping and constantly interrupting your movement with bullrush

I get bullrush is supposed to be part of the movement tech but its all to much for me

Abandon chaos

[dense crown]

oh lol

thats why i like zag shield so much

[spiral badge]

Return to monke zag

[dense crown]

i just spam bull rush

[spiral badge]

I just go maximum unga bunga with zag shield and dash attack everywhere like a madman

It’s great, I can’t complain

[dense crown]

bull rush through them -> dash attack on their back (bonus if you have athena/expose) -> repeat

[stray apex]

I used to play Zag shield at first a lot

Then didnt play it much

[dense crown]

i only spam dash attack when theres downtime on boss rotations

[spiral badge]

Zag shield is plain

And at first you will seek novelty In your weapon aspects

But eventually you will come to appreciate its simplicity

And adore it for it’s damage boost

[stray apex]

angry sword man why u talkin so philosophical mate😂

[spiral badge]

Zag shield shuts up and gets out of your way

[dense crown]

i cant find a build that works well enough with zeus to make me wanna give up zag shield lol

[spiral badge]

No tricks, no complex mechanics, just the edge of your shield shattering their jaw

Zeus fists bruh 👀

Zeus rail bruh 👀

Actually

[dense crown]

sorry i meant zeus shield

[spiral badge]

Ooohhhhh

Wait

I was about to say though

The thiccest and billowiest of them all

Zeus Zeus shield bruh 👀

[dense crown]

actually? lol

[spiral badge]

Put zeus on zeus shield special and get ready

No no seriously thats the whole Schtick

[dense crown]

i see

[spiral badge]

When you roll zeus shield you are contractually obligated to acquire as much zeus as you can

[dense crown]

i usually put chill on it

[spiral badge]

Get zeus’d the ** up bro

Wait until you see what lightning strikes on that shields special do lollllll

[spiral badge]

Because that is the literal path I walked when I started playing this game. Zag shield love, zag shield life

Talos fists, zag shield and zeus shield are my 3 favorite weapons, in order

[modest horizon]

I recently had a crazy good run with Achilles - Poseidon attack, Artemis special (trying to get the chain skewer to no avail), Athena dash, and I think I was just shredding through enemies with brilliant riposte? That was a weirdly fun run

[dry ember]

http://www.twitch.tv/webs2d/v/814529011?sr=a&t=808s

Talk to me when your Zag shield can do this

[spiral badge]

Yeah weird flex but damn. Achilles is just go(o)d lol

[dense crown]

i havent done a sub 2s vermin but i definitely did sub 10s with zag shield

[spiral badge]

People aren’t always playing for the 99th percentile foxhope

Raw performance matters yes but actual hard caps on capability at the bleeding edge are rarely relevant

Surely we can agree on that

[dry ember]

It's a joke

[spiral badge]

Good to hear

I see a lot of people fall into that trap too seriously

[dry ember]

Like you said, it's your favorite aspect

[spiral badge]

Speed runner used X to post WR therefore all others are trash

Yeah, use what you love. The game takes care of the rest ❤️

[dry ember]

Yeah. Every aspect can do absurd things in the game.

The clip was to showcase a fun moment and as a joke.

[coral cave]

how he do that

[dry ember]

An Epic Trippy Shot pommed out of this world, 4 casts and a Meg

[coral cave]

madness

[opal lodge]

just beowulf things

other weapons can do other things

i am happy i picked a weapon that can one shot boss phases to play for >300 hours

[rose cloud]

Aspect of Lucifer works well when attack on cursor is off, no?

I'm using KBM

[opal lodge]

yes

that's what i do

[rose cloud]

Since its continuous damage..

I see

[opal lodge]

thats what i do for all rails and fists

[rose cloud]

Having a hard time adjusting I am used to attack wherever the cursor is pointing

[opal lodge]

it is difficult to adjust at first

fwiw on rail you can still aim the special

if you want to do things like aim your summon

[rose cloud]

Oh I see

Haven't tried disabling it when using Fists

[viral star]

anyway myrmidon bracer is underappreciated

[gusty dagger]

Aside from the obvious Aphro cast and Dio cast, what else works with Hera bow?

[stone harbor]

You can trigger ME with ares attack and athena cast

[gusty dagger]

Can athena cast with parting shot work?

Ooohh

[stone harbor]

Don't actually do that other than for the meme, it's not good

[gusty dagger]

Yeah. Can't compare with fast melee attack+divine dash i suppose

[stone harbor]

The main issue is that hera really wants to load 3+ casts and oneshot stuff. You can't really do that here

[slim lynx]

what weapon does myrmidon bracer work best with?

[stone harbor]

Anything but shield I guess

I'd just pick something else tbh

[slim lynx]

i mean i gotta use it if i wanna get it to 3 stars

[coarse moss]

probably bow since youre running from enemy so they arent behind you

[stone harbor]

In that case I would avoid shield because you can block at the front so only the part where you take more damsge applies, other than that go wild

[coral flicker]

Good succes with fists since you're facing enemies

And I'm prone to taking chip damage with em

[coarse moss]

maybe can play tank with arthur lol

[agile plover]

Phew!

EM4 makes the difference, but EM in general make little to no difference I find 🤔

[coarse moss]

now imagine other pacts affecting em4

[slim lynx]

what happens if you're on your tenth clear and have em4 on

at that point normally hades would just let you pass but what if you have extreme measures on? is that just a free clear?

[coarse moss]

does the contract even show up before that?

[slim lynx]

yeah pretty sure

[coarse moss]

not sure then. did he give titan blood on that run? dont remember lol

[slim lynx]

yeah he still gives you the boss-clear reward

[echo radish]

flying cutter worth it on demeter?

its the one that charges for upto +100% damage

[dusky relic]

anyone else find it kind of weird that malphon does less damage with a dash strike?

[eternal wasp]

it didnt show up for me until the run after

[half crater]

so does spear

more aoe and less damage

[dusky relic]

huh never noticed that with spear

[slim lynx]

does concentrated knuckle continue stacking if you keep chaining hits with dash-strike? it feels like it's not doing much damage

[half crater]

nah the stacks reset when a combo ends, even if you dash cancel it

[misty turret]

it resets per combo

[half crater]

it’s alright tho, since it’s base damage

unless you’re going ares or zeus attacks ofc

[misty turret]

i had a pretty good run with demeter fists today

epic heartbreak flourish for about +200% special damage, epic zeus attack + epic static discharge + splitting bolt

[coarse moss]

fist 5 hits = 75 damage. with concentrate, 5 hits = 150 damage i think?

[half crater]

125

20+15+10+5

since the first attack isn’t increased

[coarse moss]

ah i see

[slim lynx]

does charging spear spin and then dashing count as a dash-strike?

[narrow ravine]

with the Rama Bow - do you generally just build up and spam special?

[coarse moss]

rama attack + shared suffering is like the highest damage you could get before boons

[misty turret]

hit things with special then use the attack for big damage

[narrow ravine]

ahh, gotcha. zeus for special?

or dio

[misty turret]

up to you really

[turbid needle]

For Arthur Aspect which boon attack is better? Aphro, Demeter or Artemis?

[misty turret]

dio is probably more helpful

i'd argue aphro or demeter

*under the condition you're running priv status

[narrow ravine]

weakness/chill? that makes sense

[misty turret]

if you don't already have weak, getting weak is useful

[narrow ravine]

i always mix up aphro/dio lol

[turbid needle]

but you can't have both aphro/other deity on the basic attack

[coarse moss]

if you get artemis on attack, aphro on special leads to amazing duo

[narrow ravine]

artemis is pmuch straight dps right?

crit etc

[coarse moss]

yes, you'll melt bosses

[spiral badge]

Make sure if you get a little artemis you start trying to get more

Artemis and Zeus are kind of a special subclass of “snowball” boons

Where there thing that works best with them is more of themselves

Almost universally

[narrow ravine]

yeah, i've def noticed that w/ zeus.

[spiral badge]

Mmhmmmm

Just totally switch mental gears when you see those two

[narrow ravine]

i dont understand the boon that just adds straight crit chance - it seems so low, am i missing something?

[spiral badge]

It’s not about variety of boons or even quality of boons its about more more more

See that’s artemis’ snowball effect

Her base chance is low

[misty turret]

having a small base crit chance can be good with Marking and all that

[spiral badge]

But she has boons that shoot the actual crit probability to the moon

Namely marked target

[misty turret]

and even then, crits are what, 3x damage?

[silent marsh]

whats a good attack boon for the Aegis (Aspect of Zagreus)?

[spiral badge]

literally anything thats not ares lol

Ares goes on your special for shield

[misty turret]

4% crit is like ~+12% damage on average, about the same boost as an Urge to Kill

[spiral badge]

Shield is so well rounded @silent marsh I’m not even being sarcastic

[misty turret]

shield is the best weapon in the game because of blocking dont @ me

[silent marsh]

i think i am playing it wrong, i cannot get a clear with the shield, any aspect, to save my damn life.

[spiral badge]

Shield is best weapon in game because unga bunga

Never block gang rise up

[silent marsh]

it's the last weapon i need to have at least cleared with them all, heh

[spiral badge]

I’m joking a little Nate, but shield (especially zag shield) is indeed the 1-button noob cannon supreme of this game

And it’s my 2nd favorite weapon, right behind Talos fists

Maximum unga bunga

[silent marsh]

then i am def. playing it wrong

haha

[spiral badge]

Think less

Get hit less too

But turn your brain off playing shield

Abandon humanity, return to monke

run around and bash everything in the face

While throwing your special out to paint doom liberally

Win game

[coarse moss]

block and then bullrush to a good spot basically. you could tag enemies with doom while keeping safe

[spiral badge]

Do that but be a real man and never block and just zip around the room dash attacking until they’re all dead

Unga

Bunga

[spiral badge]

To give you some specific advice here’s a build for you: ares special Dionysus attack. Bonus points if you find the hammer that gives you 2x attacks but takes away knock back. Cast can be anything but I would suggest Dio cast for a chance to gamble at his legendary which is megabroken with this humble build

[zinc merlin]

um any good builds for hestia?

Nothing really works for it rn

[spiral badge]

There, you now have 2 curses for PS, great base damage AND great curse damage, AND you have a duo boon down the chain that makes it even better

Chase impending doom for ares

[zinc merlin]

Chaos shield + doom special is really good

[spiral badge]

And chase the duo and Dio’s legendary on the attack side

I refuse to acknowledge chaos shield's existence, so take my advice as you will

But boom, there’s a humble build right there that should shred all the way through 10 heat at least

And I literally just made that up off the top of my head

Shield is flexible, give it an honest shake for a while and see for yourself 😘

[narrow ravine]

best attack boon recs for Hades Spear? been using zeus or aphro

[coarse moss]

arty attack, aphro special, heart rend

[zinc merlin]

k

Thx

[coarse moss]

aphro's good with the % to the attack, it works with punishing sweep. zeus is not good because doesn't work with punishing sweep

[narrow ravine]

thanks!

[junior tinsel]

i tried demeter aphro duo boon

its so hard to use lmao

[keen mesa]

it can be awkward, lining enemies up between you and beam

I feel like playing in god mode is going to set me up for massive failure when I Go back to my hell mode file

[vale imp]

Are the lightning bolts from Scintillating Feast affected by Double Strike?

[gusty rapids]

yes

[honest sable]

@silent marsh I found it easiest using ||Zeus|| shield with Athena Boon for special to hide behind

[spiral badge]

i deleted my hell mode file 🙈

i didnt appreciate that it locks certain ones on

I'll play with a 5 heat minimum, but i want to choose them

All Zeus is affected by all Zeus

it's one of the reasons why you hunt him differently than other gods

Zeus snowball stronk

[limber galleon]

Chiron at level 1 seems abit weak...

What boons to back him up?

[spiral badge]

(because it is)

(dont use chiron till at least like 3 or 4)

(and even then)

but max chiron go brrrrr

[limber galleon]

max is lvl5?

[spiral badge]

for that, specials include artemis, demeter, zeus (lol), and maybe ares for meme doom stack build

yes

dio is acceptable on chiron but you really want aphrodite to back him up on attack for the duo or you're kinda outclassing the speed dio is meant for

that said, if you do get that rolling AND get dio's cast legendary

well

chiron go brrrrr

[limber galleon]

Yea then ill hold off on bows until then

[spiral badge]

yeah

bows are the most broken class super late game i would say, statistically

in that bow has at least 2 gamebreaking aspects

where most have 1

or truly 0

but early on in the game bow is ehhhh unless you really like it

[keen mesa]

you know what's nuts? charged volley, omg

[spiral badge]

the exception is hera which is a great one-blood wonder, but you shouldnt take hera unless and until you're actually ready for cast builds

which involves a lot of mirror work to get stuff online

[slim lynx]

blinding flash or unshakable mettle? flash is epic rarity and i'm using chiron

[spiral badge]

uhhhhhh

what do both of those do 🙈

[keen mesa]

unshakeable is 10% less damage from bosses and immune to stun

which is pretty good against hades because urns can't stun you then

[opal lodge]

what is your deflect on spammy?

[spiral badge]

that never hurts

[slim lynx]

i could take unshakable just to sell it for big money

[spiral badge]

but why

[slim lynx]

it's on attack

[keen mesa]

blinding flash causes your deflect to cause enemy to take extra backstab damage

[spiral badge]

d-fens

[opal lodge]

oh ok

how good are you at backstabbing

[spiral badge]

d-fens

[keen mesa]

that's after you deflect though

[slim lynx]

i was planning to get deflect dash but then dio and poseidon showed up and i just can't resist exclusive access

[spiral badge]

understandable, have a nice day

[opal lodge]

no you just need to hit something with a move that deflects to expose it

[keen mesa]

yeah

[spiral badge]

yeah

[opal lodge]

which in spammy's case

is attack

[keen mesa]

oh

[opal lodge]

on chiron

[spiral badge]

yeah ehhhh

d-fense

[slim lynx]

yeah so i guess i'll take blinding

[spiral badge]

d-fense

[keen mesa]

but then you need to get behind them with bow

[slim lynx]

would make for good practice anyways

[spiral badge]

i would go the other way

but its your run

[opal lodge]

that's what you should be doing on chiron anyways

for backstab damage

[keen mesa]

well, ideally every attack would be backstab ;-P

but in practice that's hard lol

especially if you're playing with something like increased enemy movement speed or what have you

[spiral badge]

chiron is the set and forget weapon until you're trying for 7-8 minute runs and Every Backstab Counts

imo

[opal lodge]

a chiron 7 minute run would be WR by like a minute that boi is slow

[spiral badge]

lol indeed

[gusty rapids]

yeah lol

chiron s l o w

[spiral badge]

i would take the defense for smooth-brain survivability

[opal lodge]

if youre running deadly flourish chiron, you should always be trying to backstab and keep boiling blood uptime

[spiral badge]

s'all im sayain

[opal lodge]

because that +special damage gets multiplied by crit after addition for big dam

[spiral badge]

Ohhhhh

[opal lodge]

if youre not running deadly its still nice but not as important

[spiral badge]

Goodness

thats a helpful nugget

needs to be a nugget bible

[silent marsh]

had this minus the legendary, died on heroes, lol fuuuuucking aegis

[spiral badge]

youll get it in time

I'll tell you this, 95% of the time when you die in heroes

it's because you didnt respect asterius enough

you play smash?

[misty turret]

dodged blue-horn lernie's quintuple slam with only dash iframes

[spiral badge]

nice

flexin

[honest sable]

@limber galleon for Chiron I found the Dionysus special the best or Hera, the Dionysus cast

[spiral badge]

dio special speed is a little outclasses by chiron, but it can def be done with the right duos. and yeah dio + hera is like busted cast build 101, always a good choice 👍🏻

did you get the 2x attack hammer @silent marsh out of curiosity?

its RNG but it can be a big boost for dio shield specifically

[silent marsh]

yeah i did

all but the leg

[spiral badge]

well biscuits, good for you

Having died a lot to heroes, i can tell you that most of my deaths came from either not respecting Asterius or taking my eye off of Theseus' crosshair when dealing with the bull

so work on one of those two things

burn asterius' attacks into your head, he's the harder of the two to dogfight

but at the same time always be keeping a close eye on your character model

[frosty jasper]

I focus bull

[calm saddle]

same

[spiral badge]

when that crosshair turns red, you need to be ready to drop everything and dodge that spear

Bull Is The Way

[frosty jasper]

so i dont have to deal with 2 once buddy goes insane

[spiral badge]

never a real reason to take theseus first except to flex

[frosty jasper]

bull dosent really get harder

[spiral badge]

most optimal strats involve killing them together but that's a channel above this really

[frosty jasper]

yeah

[spiral badge]

Burn Dat Bull

[frosty jasper]

anyone here been trying out blade rift builds

[spiral badge]

but respect him. he will put you under the earth in a blink if you dont take his burst damage seriously

[frosty jasper]

blade rift cast and lazer cast (demeter) with artamis duo is soo good

[spiral badge]

i only really run rifts if im aiming for the arty duo

or if im playing talos and feeling saucy

[frosty jasper]

i killed hades in 78 seconds with gem

[dense crown]

i use blade dash on shield quite often

[spiral badge]

"oh, you thought you were done with this blade rift? GET OVER HERE"

[frosty jasper]

with engulfing vortex and black metal

[spiral badge]

yeah blades get busted no doubt

[frosty jasper]

if you get ares legendary you can shred hades

[spiral badge]

i just find them awkward to play in general unless im specifically building something that compliments them

dio cast for instance can get 90% as busted and requires 0% of the effor

[frosty jasper]

styg soul and any grasp is broken

[spiral badge]

t*

[frosty jasper]

also atry legendary

[spiral badge]

all truth

[frosty jasper]

2 more stones

[jagged grove]

Kill both

[spiral badge]

all a little narrow to get with RNG, but all truth

[jagged grove]

At same time

[dense crown]

ye

[frosty jasper]

you dont need grasp

i usally try to get grasp and arty

[dense crown]

just stick on theseus and the bull will come die to cleave lmao

[frosty jasper]

if arty you can go demeter or ares cast

ares is better but it is still insane dementer

[spiral badge]

nah i like to put the bull down so he doesnt have to see me smash his comrade's face into the wall beneath My Good Shade

preserve Asterius' dignity at all costs

[dense crown]

lol

theseus just dies so fast

once he drops his shield after 50% he just gets nuked

[spiral badge]

for sure

[frosty jasper]

I feel like shields just arent that fun

[dense crown]

even if im aiming to kill both at the same time theseus usually drops first

[frosty jasper]

like how do the shields stop lightning

[dense crown]

ya shields are wack

[frosty jasper]

styg soul is good

[dense crown]

u can ignore shields with bull rush but not with literal magic

[frosty jasper]

it makes prom stone and grasp broken

[slim lynx]

so apparently special builds are guan yu a practically overpowered, who are the best gods?

[vale imp]

Artemis or Aphrodite

something that ups the damage by a lot

what you really need is Charged Skewer

the whole build relies on it

[junior tinsel]

Did beo aphrocast build

Needs improvement

Wanted to get sweet nectar and just go ham with poms but it just doesnt drop lol

But still managed to lvl 10 the cast

[misty turret]

ayyyyy 32 heat arthur done

[junior tinsel]

And also bought extra cast on charon well so i had 4 casts on the final boss

Was fun

[misty turret]

ya love to see it https://i.imgur.com/GjNETiG.png

[junior tinsel]

But i hate how slow charging beo is

Didnt get hammer to fssten it up

[misty turret]

https://i.imgur.com/kwEgfjs.png

[vale imp]

if you Dash attack into a Dragon Rush, it's marginally faster

not a lot but it's a little smoother

[spiral badge]

yooooooo @misty turret

nice

[slim lynx]

wait so does dashing into a charged attack just universally make it charge faster?

[viral star]

I have to come to apologize because I have seen the errs of my ways. Guan Yu is so FUN

Like what do you MEAN the special bounces

[slim lynx]

oo got aphro special as my first boon 🙈

sweet surrender 😳

[spiral badge]

why can she just give you that funny feeling whenever she wants 🥺

its not fair

[keen mesa]

How am I dying with 42% damage resistance in God Mode, but I clear 20+ Heat in Hell Mode on my other account...

feelsbad

I think having such massive damage reduction actually makes me play worse

[slim lynx]

you don't say

[quartz beacon]

yo what are some good builds for the bow? i'm really struggling to use it rn since im so used to the spear lmao

[keen mesa]

artemis ;-P

or demeter with flurry shot is nice

if you get like arctic blast and such

[fading garden]

Which aspect?

[spiral badge]

Yeah that matters

I mean there are general things like aphro for damage

But Dio is a lot better time on rama than chiron for instance

Chiron is for thicc damage builds

Rama for curse plus damage

[stone harbor]

Dio on chiron is on of the best builds

[spiral badge]

Zag if you really, really like both bow and crits

Hmm I feel chiron just excels more at things that aren't generally Dio

Like, it outpaces the rof class Dio us meant for somewhat

Unless you have aphro

Then all bets are off

[stone harbor]

You go dio special aphro attack into low tolerance and you deal 100+damage per duo tick with a few poms

It's great

[spiral badge]

Oh I get you. Chiron go brrrr in all cases. It's the difference between having a piano dropped on your head and a ROAD ROLLAAA DAAAAA

Imo

[slim lynx]

trying to go for a triple-cluster bomb build so uhhh who are the best gods for this lol

someone's definitely gonna say aphro

[stone harbor]

Just get aphro or artemis on special

Zeus attack because rail idk

[slim lynx]

yeah i could go for arty if i'm gonna make it rain bombs

[coarse moss]

go heart rend lol

[slim lynx]

i'm convinced heart rend is a trap

[stone harbor]

Why would it be?

[keen mesa]

depends on what your crit and weakness are on...

[slim lynx]

i always go for it and i absolutely never get it even if i do in fact have the prerequisites and gods' legacy

[keen mesa]

if you're using sword and your weakness is on attack and your crit is on special -- yeah, heart rend would be awful

but other way around and suddenly it's very easy to get huge crits

[stone harbor]

Aphro attack and artemis special sounds like a great idea for cluster bombs

[keen mesa]

oh, you just mean it doesn't show up for you?

Are you using fated persuasion to try and reroll for it?

[stone harbor]

It should not be that hard to hit, just roll

[coarse moss]

even if rng screw it up, aphro and arty arent bad boons by themselves

[quartz beacon]

using the standard, aspect of zagreus. i was gonna try chiron but i dont really like the special on it

[fading garden]

The special on chiron is very nice. If you are going for zag bow, start with Artemis on attack. Enjoy :)

[spiral badge]

Just gonna pipe up and vouch ares on bombs

Especially with that many

[stone harbor]

Ares special athena attack ME maybe?

[quartz beacon]

eh i tried it out but i was doing quite poorly w it

[spiral badge]

Individual damage might be slightly lower but Max damage issued to the group should go up

[slim lynx]

oo yeah i can set off the bombs and then fire away

[spiral badge]

Very fire and forget

[slim lynx]

not only will the bombs themselves deal massive damage but i can repeatedly proc me

[stone harbor]

Generally make sure you use powershot as close to every shot as you can, do it with dash-strikes so it chrges faster

[spiral badge]

Yeah dash strike is the truth for now

Bow*

[slim lynx]

does merciful end have a cooldown?

[stone harbor]

No

[coarse moss]

now if ME duo doesnt show up, you'd have bad boons, unlike going the heartrend way

[stone harbor]

True, but ME memes

[slim lynx]

then i know what gods i'm going for when i do that eris run 😳

[spiral badge]

Nooooope

See ME fists 😈

[slim lynx]

but i need to also have divine dash

[spiral badge]

Yes

Takes setting up

[keen mesa]

NOOOOO, just missed a fishing spot, why

[stone harbor]

If you really want to, you can do all kinds of meme builds with me. You can do ares attack athena cast hera

[keen mesa]

we should be able to go BACK to a room if we haven't started the new one

[spiral badge]

But fists ME is the reason I don't know how they let ME in the game

[keen mesa]

"oops, I forgot my shoes in the other room"

[slim lynx]

if i use eris + cluster bomb + triple bomb with that

i can only imagine how powerful that build is

eris + triple + cluster + divine strike + curse of pain + merciful end

[dry ember]

I mean there are plenty of busted combinations in the game.

[slim lynx]

death to everything

[keen mesa]

Thanatos is busted -- he one shots everything even through shields and barriers, what a cheater

[spiral badge]

ME is king I say

Specifically fists ME

[stone harbor]

You prohably want something that scales your special damage for that, doom stuff in general just scales of doom

[spiral badge]

B U S T E D

Make sure to always take impending doom if you can find it

[dusky grove]

Guys quick question, what's the meta right now ?

[keen mesa]

uh

[spiral badge]

Hit The Final Boss Until it Dies

[keen mesa]

whatever you want to play with?

this isn't a PvP game, there is no meta

[wintry sable]

Different players are good with different things

And I don’t think the devs intend to rework any boons or weapons so

[spiral badge]

And there is a meta, but it's not for people who ask questions about the meta in this channel

[keen mesa]

metas are defined by what players use to overcome other players typically

[spiral badge]

Respectfully

[dusky grove]

haha

well im just trying to speedrun the last bit of lore

[stone harbor]

There are builds that are generally regarded as good for specific stuff, but generally just play what you like

[coarse moss]

maybe applying doom with attack will be better for for ME. if you apply with special, like only the first explosion will do anything and the rest of the bombs are meh

[slim lynx]

there's no "meta" or "strongest thing" in this game

[keen mesa]

I mean, if you're asking what the speedrun meta is, it would be whatever players have "discovered" to be the best

are their combinations and strategies players haven't come up with yet? for specific heat levels? for new best times? certainly

[opal lodge]

check SRC for some for the weapons youre interested in

[keen mesa]

I think it will be really interesting to see what takes down Heat 63/64

[opal lodge]

asking "what is the meta" is such a general question

[stone harbor]

I would not go that far, there are a few good builds for chiron for example and pretty much everything else is worse than those

[dusky grove]

well when i used to play non stop I played on 30 heat

[opal lodge]

at that high of a heat theres not really a meta

[dusky grove]

haha

[keen mesa]

well, anyone can pick a weapon and then make it horrible by picking things that don't work with it, that doesn't make it meta lol

[slim lynx]

i'd say everything else still has potential to possibly outclass arty on chiron

[dusky grove]

shield spam's the best

[opal lodge]

its just whatever AP2/RI gives you

[keen mesa]

yeah, zeus on special for chiron is really bad

[opal lodge]

i meant 63/64 btw

not 30

[wintry sable]

Heat 64 there’s no meta, only hope

[dusky grove]

xD

[opal lodge]

at 50+ you reset for your hammers and first boon and hope for the best with the rest

[dusky grove]

Im more of a jack of all trades so I usually stay at 30 heat

[coarse moss]

personally cant see anything doing as good as rama at very high heat

[stone harbor]

I don't mean horrible, stuff like low tolerance and heart rend are the best, but you can still do well with things like zeus or demeter

[keen mesa]

I could see zag fists doing high heat with crazy dodge

but you wouldn't have 50% dodge from mirror

[dusky grove]

Boon Synergies are the most important i think

[spiral badge]

Yup zag fists and Hermes keepsake are very safe

[keen mesa]

and getting anything above like 15% dodge with plume would be very, very difficult

[spiral badge]

safe as you get, anyway

[dusky grove]

TBH the 50% from mirror doesnt feel very impactful

hardly proc

[keen mesa]

??

it procs all the time

you just need to dodge a hit

then it's up for 2 seconds

[dusky grove]

I know

[keen mesa]

not dodge, but, nearly miss

[stone harbor]

You're still melee though, I would pick rail or bow over fists every time if I was only concerned with safety

[spiral badge]

Tru

[keen mesa]

I don't think plume would be viable at 60+ heat at all

[coarse wedge]

any good weapons/aspects for poseidon? i cant figure out how knockback can be helpful to any

[keen mesa]

so then you're hoping for 20% dodge from hermes, and 30%+ after call

and then that's only 65% with fists, which probably isn't enough to rely on

[dusky grove]

pretty good

but it's painstaking to get plume up that high

[keen mesa]

the thing is, with 50% from ruthless reflex, and 30% from plume

you can literally stand next to hades and dodge everything

you don't need to hide from lasers

[dusky grove]

reflex tho

[keen mesa]

yeah, dash his whirlwind or his lunge when he comes out of invis, now it's up

[dusky grove]

It think 2 dashes would be more viable

[keen mesa]

not if you're trying to get 100% dodge

[dusky grove]

I meant that with 2 dashes you could play safer

[keen mesa]

don't need to play safe when you have 100% dodge lol

[dusky grove]

haha yea

[keen mesa]

my last clear with fists was like heat 22 or something using dodge

[dusky grove]

nice

I dont see many plp talk about shield

[keen mesa]

but it entirely depends on plume and hermes being nice

[coarse moss]

ruthless is more than dodge, its also 50% damage. which could be just the push you need to beat em4

[dusky grove]

yea

[keen mesa]

I think most high heat runs use greater reflex though

because double dash is good for time

[dry ember]

Most 55+ heat runs have one dash

[dusky grove]

1 dash is kinda slow

but good for the damage

[dry ember]

Because they can't get either lmao

[keen mesa]

oh true

...

[dusky grove]

haha yea

[keen mesa]

god I'm stupid

better just uninstall the game now ;-P

[dry ember]

Don't, stay.

Suffer with us

[keen mesa]

wait

the run I just watched at heat 60

had double dash

because RI wasn't maxed

[opal lodge]

yep

[dry ember]

Most

[dusky grove]

hoho !

[opal lodge]

do most of them? or is it just baj

[keen mesa]

but yeah, at heat 63/64, you'd have to lose your dash mirror

[opal lodge]

afaik baj is the only one who regularly runs RI3

[rare kindle]

Hermes is fickle and sometimes won’t offer you his extra dashes, no matter how much you roll

[opal lodge]

especially with AP

[dusky grove]

the weapon boons are already hard enough

But with save dup it should be fine

[opal lodge]

that would count as seeding/splicing your run

[keen mesa]

I think that's why most speed runs show their previous death

to show they aren't loading seeded runs

[coarse wedge]

is there any condition to get touch of styk in charon well? (the stubborn defiance buff)

i just cant get it for the prophecy

[dry ember]

You need to equip SD, obs

[keen mesa]

;-P

[dry ember]

But otherwise no i don't think so

[keen mesa]

you should get it as often as you get death defiance replenishment

[rare kindle]

It’s just luck once you have stubborn defiance on

But you can get fated persuasion to reroll wells

[cloud vault]

I got it by buying a 'random item' lol, that was great

[keen mesa]

I want to get my god mode up to 80%, then get Stubborn Roots, then get Different League and uh, Bronze Skin

and just stand there and be invincible

[coarse wedge]

ugh im trying to round up all the achievements after 50 good hours of playing the game but some are sooo rng its frustrating

[rare kindle]

I have different league and bronze skin both at 10% for my current run

[keen mesa]

then I'll put down Arthur consecration for another 40%

[spiral badge]

@coarse wedge are you talking about the fated list?

cause theres things you can do to help rng for lots of it

namely fated authority

[coarse wedge]

yeah and epilogue, getting the olympian favors is literally rng, even if you filled the requisites you need to get the random voice line

[spiral badge]

it'll just be a farming run for whatever that is

oh, that i cant help with sorry

[keen mesa]

It took me a month of playing to finish all the achievements ItzzStrike

with the last one being skelly's second prize

[coarse wedge]

i guess my rng is bad then, i got 32 heat win already but still no charon fight lmao

[keen mesa]

do you get an achievement for heat 32?

must be hidden if so

[coarse wedge]

no you dont just did it for the statue kek

[wintry sable]

For 32 heat you get a ||skelly statue||

[spiral badge]

Now wait a tic, you know Charon only spawns in mid shops right?

[keen mesa]

yeah, I mean achievement on Steam

[spiral badge]

The fight that is

[coarse wedge]

na they didnt do it bc they didnt expect much pepole would do it i guess

[spiral badge]

You should actually have decent chances of encountering a Charon fight if you take all mid shops

Should be in the neighborhood of ~60% per run iirc

[keen mesa]

I think my highest is heat 23, but I play on Hell Mode and I always take the purple weapon... so my heat is like, uh, 13 on Spear and 23 on Sword lol

[spiral badge]

Same here

[keen mesa]

I'm awful with some weapons

[spiral badge]

Monkhood of the purple weapon

Makes you stronk with all

[opal lodge]

it's around 53% but either way, good chance

[keen mesa]

I do it for the variety

[spiral badge]

That too

[keen mesa]

I don't want to get burned out on playing same weapon over and over

[calm saddle]

u wont

i have like 30 clears on just the fists and i still will run them over and over

[keen mesa]

I don't think you can speak for me in that regard, but thanks ;-P

[coarse wedge]

i was struggling with 1 or 2 heat, then i stated playing zag aspect coronacht with crit and rushed to 32 lol i guess its op

literally my heat with weapons goes 1,2,1,32,1,1

[spiral badge]

Lol

Did you really do all, alllll that with just zag aspect

Cause damn if so

[keen mesa]

I like all the weapons, but only certain aspects of them

[spiral badge]

That is skill and dedication

You gotta give the other bow aspects a try

If you’re that good with zag

You’re missing out on what the bow can do

[coarse wedge]

i played it so much i already got bored of the game kek thats why im hunting achievements

[spiral badge]

Well there you go

[coarse wedge]

but yeah with decent daedalus upgrades crit zag aspect is a joke you have like 1.2k dps

[calm saddle]

try chiron if u think thats nuts

[spiral badge]

And then for the coup de grace see what rama does to a room

[coarse moss]

if you shotgun the zag bow it'll do more than chiron i think

[slim lynx]

rama is just sheer raw damage

[spiral badge]

Rama+shotgun hammer+twin shot is holy lolllll

[slim lynx]

chiron basically has -1 arrow compared to zag and it's very unlikely you'll land all of them without chiron

[spiral badge]

Put artemis on that and a whole quarter of hade’s health can just go poof

[calm saddle]

^

[spiral badge]

If thou art bless’d

[slim lynx]

rama + twin shot + flurry shot

[spiral badge]

Wait is flurry the noncharged repeater

[slim lynx]

can rama even get flurry shot or would that just be too powerful

yeah

[spiral badge]

Cause thats staaanky too

But I find it very rare

I wish there was an aspect of bow that was that repeater

[slim lynx]

twin shot + flurry shot is just really good

[spiral badge]

Because I’d like bow a lot more if it was

[slim lynx]

if you're using zag or rama that is

still great but meh on hera or chiron

[spiral badge]

Honestly though samesies for chiron

Gives attack something to do besides paint targets

And makes you way more mobile to help with special endlag

[coarse moss]

oh i thought it had more. i basically never touched zag bow lmao

[spiral badge]

Yeah thats why max chiron is nutty

-1 max arrows and dat tracking

[calm saddle]

especially if get a good %dmg boon on it

[spiral badge]

Mmhmmmm

[calm saddle]

i usually just take arty on the special

[spiral badge]

Dem is actually a favorite of mine with chiron

[calm saddle]

but there are probably a few others

ye dem seems nuts

[spiral badge]

Chiron is one of the few I find actually synergizes with dem cast

[coarse moss]

rama cannot

[calm saddle]

especially if u get artic blast

[spiral badge]

Because you can apply so much slow so quickly

Yup

You can actually get your tractor beams to lock and stay locked with chiron

Because of the burst slow at the start

[calm saddle]

ive been runnin dem fists with dem attack over and over cuz winter harvest is so satisfying

maybe ill use chiron next time

[spiral badge]

No issues there

But yeah dem has dummy thick % and great synergy with chiron

Chiron and rail best dem weapons

fat stacks

[slim lynx]

[spiral badge]

Also fists too

Who cares though @slim lynx that shotgun blast bro

[opal lodge]

dem is the lowest % damage increase for flourish boons iirc

[calm saddle]

i think ur right

[spiral badge]

Ugh thats right, I think you might have corrected me about that before 😦

I wish they kept attack and special % consistent

But whatever

I still like it for tractor beam builds 😜

just looked it up

dem tied for 2nd from bottom

wiiiiith athena

how does aphro get away with winning every % increase conversation lol

robbery

[coarse wedge]

YES FINALLY TOUCH OF STYX UGH

[rigid ingot]

Guys how can I use fishing skills? I opened the skill from the Contacter, but the fishing line does not come.

[coarse wedge]

NOOOOOOOOO I JUST DIED TO EM HADES WITH 100HP AAAAAAAA

[zinc merlin]

You have to reach the final boss

rip

[coarse wedge]

you have to wait for a white flash above the hook, then you pull, i lost like 20 fishes not knowing that haha

[zinc merlin]

Hes asking how to get the fishing line right?

Yeah i was like why are the fish not coming

[rigid ingot]

yes excatly

[zinc merlin]

Yeah reach the final boos

*boss

All you have to do is reach him

You dont have to beat him

[rigid ingot]

I dont have a fishing line

:/

[zinc merlin]

Yeah it will show up in the house contractor after reaching the final boss

Thats how it worked for me

[rigid ingot]

which final boss in tartarus?

[coarse moss]

we call that first boss, not final 😆

[spiral badge]

you get it from posiedon dont you

i could be wrong, it was so far back for me

i just remember him talking to me about it

makes sense if its at the vendor though

[mighty ermine]

flurry is unavailable for rama

oops saw someone else also said this, my bad

[worldly blaze]

You know I wanna use Rama's shared pain

but I put doom on my special

so they die before I can attack other guys

[spiral badge]

impending doooooom

though honestly

i could see a case for ares attack on rama

to open up dio on special

rama attack thicc to begin with, and doom is doom

[mighty ermine]

haelian has already done this and it's a lot more work to get rama to a good place for damage when you could exceed that just by building around attack and getting good attack-oriented hammers

[spiral badge]

yeah or you could just play to rama's insane strengths

makes sense

[opal lodge]

i still love how much you were facepalming that stream

at least we know curse of vengeance opens up CoN now

[mighty ermine]

lmao

[opal lodge]

only good thing to come out of that

[mighty ermine]

the moments where he still used attack were the moments that kept me alive

[spiral badge]

doooooes it 👀

thats fantastic to know

[opal lodge]

it do

[spiral badge]

talk about a dark horse ez duo lol

[opal lodge]

and he used attack? i didnt notice tailesque

[dry ember]

Haelian draws a decent amount of viewers

[spiral badge]

i like watching him for inspiration

[dry ember]

He's medium sized now

[mighty ermine]

also hadesprof betrayed me and uploaded a zeus special spam rama build

[opal lodge]

😦

pain

im aware lol

im a sub

[mighty ermine]

i'll forgive him this once because he's hadesprof

[opal lodge]

also haelian got me into hades in general

[opal lodge]

hes still unforgiven in my heart for disliking spread fire

[coarse moss]

hard to tell if you guys hatin on haelian or just being funny lol

[mighty ermine]

nah it's all in good fun, not being genuinely mean or hating

giving haelian a hard time is tradition

[coarse moss]

ahh ok

[opal lodge]

giving former speedrunner current commentator and undermine streamer haelian a hard time is part of being a haelian viewer

[agile plover]

Even though the contract shows up before it, when you're on the 10th run, the heat isn't shown. It may not apply either 🤔

I just did my 10th completion run yesterday, and the heat of the run did NOT show up in the top left corner as it usually would.

[misty turret]

if you don't have heat effects it doesn't show unless you did have heat effects on in which case idk

[restive vale]

Now that I’ve rolled credits with god mode, I’m looking to take off the training wheels for a different challenge.

I just get crushed by the furies without it

I think I’m finding it difficult to play defensively?

[pale kayak]

I did the same, and it took me a few runs to get comfortable.

[spiral badge]

yup

hate to tell you

but you may have picked up some bad habits

as far as thinking you're much more tanky than you actually are

[restive vale]

No doubt!

But at least I’m acknowledging it quickly

[spiral badge]

odds are you need to work on your scmooooovement bruh

oh for sure

you know what youre up against

[restive vale]

More evasion and tactics than going in heavy?

[spiral badge]

going in heavy

but being situationally aware enough to know

that there are times to attack and times to dodge

[restive vale]

Yeah i get that

[spiral badge]

and experience and talent are learning to discern between the two

[misty turret]

the good thing with hades is that the enemies are visually distinct enough to know their behaviors at a glance

[spiral badge]

yup, just like every other roguelike a lot of this game is pattern observation and picking up A/V cues

[leaden bay]

What does A/V mean?

[spiral badge]

audio visual

watch and listen

[restive vale]

Sound is so critical in the combat

Thinking i may have a god mode save a non-god mode save

[spiral badge]

thats a lot of grinding lol

cant you just flip a switch for that?

for god mode?

[misty turret]

yeah god mode is toggleable

hell mode isnt

[leaden bay]

What do god/hell mode do

[restive vale]

Grinding in this game doesn’t feel like grinding

[spiral badge]

god mode makes you like 2% tankier every run you fail

[restive vale]

Every single run feels like it has some purpose

[spiral badge]

hell mode forces 5 heat on you from the start

[restive vale]

Bahaha

[spiral badge]

with certain modifiers locked on a base setting

to constitute that 5 heat

that cant be taken all the way off

which i dont like. ill play with a 5 heat base, game, but i want to choose my heat

[misty turret]

god mode: you gain 20% damage resistance and gain 2% more every failed escape attempt, capping at 80%
hell mode: god mode is unavailable; pact of punishment is required from start with HL1, LC1, JS1, CP1, and personal liabiilty which hampers the ability for you to become briefly invulnerable for a time after taking damage

[leaden bay]

Heh.

So is it kind of New Game + in a sense?

[spiral badge]

new game + up yours

[misty turret]

not really its more like playing on Hard versus Normal in a game

[scenic oracle]

what boons do i take for rama?

[keen mesa]

something that hits really hard

like aphro

[spiral badge]

aphro or arty

[scenic oracle]

so i can choose aphro attack or special

[spiral badge]

probably attack

get arty or dio on special

or maybe ares

[wide light]

Beat charon for the first time. Required I cheese him with stubborn roots + shield, but I did it.

This is insanity

[agile plover]

Charon's annoying

Knowing what I know now, I should have went with my gut and chose hell mode over normal

[jagged grove]

Do you guys like

Sygian soul

Or infernal soul

For beo/hera

[stone harbor]

It depends

[jagged grove]

Oh

[stone harbor]

If you use aphro infernal

[spiral badge]

Stygian has a higher cap

Infernal will be more consistent

[stone harbor]

If you use dio, I usually go stygian but you need extra casts or you deal no damage

[opal lodge]

if you use poseidon you also go infernal

just puttin that one out there

[zinc merlin]

Jesus christ i love guan yu

Just got it and its so much fun

[daring turtle]

yeah it's really fun

[agile plover]

Guan Yu's okay.

To me, it feels great until I reached Elysium, then it didn't feel good at all

Lots of faster moving mobs that kite and/or rush you

Making it more difficult to utilize the healing aspect

[swift pebble]

Is the shield of chaos still considered good? I've seen a lot of people praising it, but I genuinely just don't enjoy it

[stone harbor]

don't play it then lol

[spiral badge]

im in the "picked up chaos once and said no thanks" camp too fwiw

i hate bullrushing with shield, completely breaks the flow of combat up for me

so chaos is a hard nope for me

[full nova]

what's everyone like to run for keepsakes to just explore builds? want to do a few runs without god boons, and I'm just running my +20% weapons.

[spiral badge]

honestly

[full nova]

running coronacht + chiron so i'm not so heavily build dependent where I have to force some gods

[swift pebble]

i mean yeah, obviously, im not planning on using it, its just strange to me that everyone is saying its so good

[spiral badge]

mama's keepsake is probably the most god agnostic

[full nova]

ooh

[spiral badge]

or definitely the most

[misty turret]

i've started doing god -> god -> acorn -> acorn

plume is good

[full nova]

yeah I usually run pom blossom starting in elysium

[spiral badge]

if im not gunning for anything specific i just take mama and take fewer pom rooms

so you get more boons that way as well

she's like a flat damage buff to me i guess

[full nova]

what happens if it procs and you haven't received a boon yet?

(can that happen?)

[spiral badge]

i like hermes too but i hate it when boop no go boop

it saves up iirc

like the second you get a boon it just insta poms at the end of the room

[full nova]

ahhhh

nice

[spiral badge]

dont quote me on that

but at most you lose one tick

[full nova]

yeah i'm only heat level 5 with the bow so I'm not gunning for anything specific, just gonna run chiron and see what I get.

[spiral badge]

good luck getting further than 4 encounters without encountering a boon

also, not sure if youre aware but it helps to repeat: there is a difference between a "room" and an "encounter"

[full nova]

yes

👍

[spiral badge]

ok good

yeah thats fine

do you have chiron maxxed up?

[full nova]

ya

[spiral badge]

ok goodie gumdrops

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