#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 806

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:12 PM

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just special spam and pray then die when the big boiz overtake you

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:12 PM

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more the

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charon fight and getting the comment from chaos

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if im being honest

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i had no time limit so i probably could have saved up some money

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and gone into another tunnel and picked up another dd

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to replace the one i lost

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which was probably the best hting to do in hindsight

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:13 PM

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it depends really, its rare to find dd's in styx from my experience so you still shouldnt have counted on it

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it wouldve been better, not good tho

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:13 PM

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yeah but i had uh

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2 persuasions and the discount

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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ah

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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so i fi really wanted to i probably could have fordced it out of styx

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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did you have the hermes money thing too?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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yeah

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side hustle

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how i got the titan blood

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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I disagree on DDs in styx

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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its so fun buying out the shop in styx lol

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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If your down and out farm styx to 100% looking for wells

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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ive only done it once, one more time i had a weak pom and both i was real happy

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Lots in there

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It's a very unlucky run if you can't buy at least 1 dd in styx

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If you 100% it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:15 PM

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most ive found is 2 wells and ive only ever gotten the kiss 2 maybe 3 times there, idk what the chances are exactly and if i am just REALLY unlucky but i never count on it anymore

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i have like 50ish runs that got to styx mind you

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:16 PM

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You're a little unlucky, sorry to say

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:16 PM

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~~but like 25ish were no dd loss~~

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:16 PM

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Styx 100% is very reliable for at least 1 DD rolling in a Charon well

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:16 PM

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gues all there is now is

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uh

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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regret?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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to visit chaos until i get the waking phrase

craggy rapids Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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What happens when you combine Rocket Bomb and Cluster Bomb?

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5 direct fire rockets?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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yes

craggy rapids Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Sweet

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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regal garden to visit chaos until i get the waking phrase

good luck

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it was so annoying

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

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my next 6 titan blood shall go towards getting guan yu to level 4 and unlocking beowulf

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:18 PM

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i was hunting for lucifer FOREVER and got it last

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:18 PM

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i got uh lucifer

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:18 PM

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i got zeus keepsake to start basically every other run...

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:18 PM

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cant remember but i got it

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:(

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me with chaos

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took ages to get the phrase from chaos about the shield

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now at least i can use other weapons for the runs to get the waking phrase

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least that extra titan blood allowed me to upgrade my lucifer so i can do my next heat run of rail with it being a levle higher

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i'm gonna do super soaker or booze laser

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:19 PM

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infinite ammo lucifer is one of the most fun things you can do

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infinite ammo lightning

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bzzzzzzzzz

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:19 PM

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yeah my first lucifer run was lightning

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got disciple of zeus

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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niiice

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Chloe it's not my place to dictate your unlocks but I wouldn't get my hopes too far up for GY or Beo, especially if you have regular aspects left to unlock

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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well

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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yeah i still regret the spear upgrade for myself

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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i'm going to unlock beo for the achievement and to have all the aspects unlocked

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Lucifer is great but GY and beo i find a little clunky

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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you like the spear tho aparently so may as well max it

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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and i'm upgrading gy to level 5 so i can actually use it and not die

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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Ok, unlock it if you like

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Just saying don't get your expectations too far up for either

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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i am focusing on other aspects just hidden aspects use neat 3 titan bloods

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Your blood would be better spent on Achilles first, for instance

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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3 titan blood for the unlock aint too bad

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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well

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i want the ambrosia from the prophecies

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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nah, its best on hades

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Yeah you're not wrong there

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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oh fair

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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my achilles is level 3 rn its fine for now

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Ok good deal

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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also, imma say this again to maybe annoy at least 1 more person to do it

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point blank triple shot crit bow

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most fun build ive had

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Chase your prophecies then buboo. Don't let me get in your way if you like the direction you're headed

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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try it if you can

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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also should i save up 3k darkness next

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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For what?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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for the chaos / nyx favour

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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well have you maxxed the mirror?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:22 PM

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i'm either saving up for that or max persuasion

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well yes basically authroity is 5 and persuasion is 3

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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yeaahhh max persuassion isnt that useful

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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i've spent alot

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on them

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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Max authority is pretty damn useful

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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for me anyway, i spent it on them from fated 2 and maxxed the rest

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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I'd say it's more worth being full than persuasion

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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yeah but

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i use persuasion more rn

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM

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I get it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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same its more fun

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Feel free too then. I'd dump into the mirror first

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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plus might as well save up 4k

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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plus you can reroll to refill shops

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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for now

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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so you can do that if you are low to get max hp

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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You can always get that darkness back out of the mirror if you really need it

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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well yeah basically im just gonna save up a few thousand darkness and see whats best to buy with it

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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It's like a bank

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:24 PM

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can you still invite chaos if you dont have a forged bond?

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in the final thing i mean

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you get nothing extra for it so it doesnt matter but still

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:25 PM

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well i just got that prophecy

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and i dont need to invite chaos

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and i havent forged a bond

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so

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would presume you can't

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:25 PM

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oh you REALLY dont

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but zag can ask persephone if he can bring them and if you encounter them zag invites them too

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you only get that bit of dialogue, nothing extra at all, but im not sure if you need to have the portal open or a forged bond or something like that to trigger it

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:26 PM

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chaos uses they/them

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:27 PM

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i got that prophecy in 2 runs, after the 1st zag asked NOT when i received the prophecy so you may have just not gotten that dialogue yet

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ah right, im dumb

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bad memory lol

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:27 PM

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yeah just

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correct it

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well yeah the sigil isnt open yet

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to chaos so

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idk if itll be possible

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:29 PM

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ye fair

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again, you gain nothing for, at least i havent gained anything for it 3 runs after the feast, just that bit of dialogue so you arent missing out on much lol

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its just wholesome

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anyway unlock beo, may the gods of rng bless you

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Do you guys bother killing the mini bosses EM4 Hades spawns in phase 1 ?

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 5:31 PM

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welll i'm not as worried for it now considering i can enter chaos with any weapon and ill get it

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:31 PM

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They have a lot of armor and hp.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:31 PM

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civic pendant Do you guys bother killing the mini bosses EM4 Hades spawns in phase 1 ?

yes, always do that

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unless you have an INSANE dps build

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if you can get him to phase 2 really quickly it doesnt matter but they will melt you if you dont kill them

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:32 PM

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I usually kill the first mini boss he spawn and then when he summons 2 more later on I focus on finishing him as fast as I can.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:32 PM

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yeah thats a good strat

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:33 PM

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well

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if you leave the doomstone alive

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:33 PM

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Wretched Sneak is annoying to deal with, Doomstone can be a pain too if there are too much minions around.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:33 PM

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he cant summon more

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fun fact

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Is that intended ?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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uhh no..?

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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uhh yes

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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Or do you need a certain amount of minions alive.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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this is a known strat for dealing with doomstone summon phase 1

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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ive fought him 3 times and ive had 2 doomstone up when i tried rushing him without attacking the 1st

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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you need a certain number of minions alive

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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I guessed so.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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i have done the fight >40 times if that's the creds youre pushing

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:34 PM

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idk if i missaw and he summoned 2 at the 2nd summon but i remember seeing 2 and thinking that ive lost the run lol

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:35 PM

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I finished EM4 once but I'm still learning about the fight.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:35 PM

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nice!

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it's a blast

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:35 PM

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it's so fast lol

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im still trying to learn it too, ive lost 2 good streaks to that monster

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Yeah I love it, it really brings a lot of challenge, Hades wasn't really hard but not that easy either tho.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:37 PM

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nah if you just dash behind him he is easy without EM

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basically a harder EM asterius with a few ranged attacks too

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but the EM fight is absolutely cruel lol

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:42 PM

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After EM4 the regular fight is definitely easy but I mean when fighting Hades for the first time, I felt that the fight was easier than other Roguelike games but it wasn't that easy either.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:45 PM

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yeah fair

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its challenging, not too difficult though

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kinda like TBoI

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Yes that's what I meant.

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Final bosses in Roguelike games are usually harder than that even at the normal difficulty.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:46 PM

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other roguelikes have hidden/true final bosses like the lich on EtG or mega stan on TBoI and THOSE are tough

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 5:48 PM

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lmao

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EM4 is much much harder than any rogue like boss

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:48 PM

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hades doesnt, unfortunately, so there isn't something extremely hard to gauge the real strength of your build that you can opt to do if you want not counting em4

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yeah exactly

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Well, there’s a hidden boss, but no secret true final boss

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:48 PM

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but regular hades is baby

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charon is brutal but mainly cause he is weirdly statted considering when you can fight him

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Your build is always incomplete when you fight him, which doesn’t help

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:49 PM

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taking 40 damage with 90 max hp is what destroys you more so than his movements

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yeah exactly

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:50 PM

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I’m not sure who could be tougher than Hades for a true final boss

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:50 PM

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by true boss i mean something at the VERY end that is so difficult you can hardly do it without an absurd run which doesnt really work in hades sadly

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maybe a bit of a joke boss, the narrator

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give him an identity like in the other supergiant games

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Yeah, like the corrupt heart in slay the spire

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:51 PM

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now he is just "funny speak man"

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yeah exactly

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:51 PM

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try EM4 hades with HL5, CP2, HS, and DC2

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theres your final boss

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:51 PM

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well yeah thats obviously difficult

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extremely difficult

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but not quite what i and (i think at least) laumi were talking about

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we meant a semi-secret boss that you can choose to do with a bit of prep in the middle of the run

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Jury Summons affects hades fight as well I believe

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and then of course Benefits Package affects the adds in the fight

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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it doesnt fit the game but i feel like its missing since hades is honestly one of the best roguelikes ive ever played

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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it shouldnt, since he always summons one in phase 1 and two in phase 2 ignite

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BP2 doesnt affect miniboss summons

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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he can summon the numskulls

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Well, some semi divine king wouldn’t exactly give zag a challenge in Greece

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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not in EM4

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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oh right

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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o

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:53 PM

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then there's only minibosses

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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rare kindle Well, some semi divine king wouldn’t exactly give zag a challenge in Greece

heracles

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i mean he is mentioned to have existed

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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also Routine Inspection

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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and to have also died

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I think it’s mentioned that Heracles is chilling on mount Olympus

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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if you de-active all your mirror talents, Hades will be considerably more difficult

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:55 PM

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well yeah

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:55 PM

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rare kindle I think it’s mentioned that Heracles is chilling on mount Olympus

that sounds familiar and i wanna agree but im not 100% sure

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ill take your word on it

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if you play with your feet while driving then the game in general will be a lot harder

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:55 PM

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my point was to create the hardest dad fight without crippling the player

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:55 PM

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hah

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:56 PM

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it will also be harder if you turn on all the other pacts too

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wristeBigBrain

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Going off of green mirror talents, how do you think Persephone fight would go?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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thewhat

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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80 heat run when

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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What do green mirror talents have to do with Persephone?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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it may be impossible to get that high but when

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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what persephone fight...

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Also, I thought 64 was the highest heat.

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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proven osprey EM4 is much much harder than any rogue like boss

For real ? I've been thinking about going back to some other Roguelike games after Hades to try and get further, but like any other final bosses no matter the difficulty ? Like in Dead Cells there are 5 different difficulties after finishing the game each time and each of them just gets much more harder.

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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63 outside of Hell Mode.

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Like the red side reflects what his dad can do, so I think the green side reflects what his mom can do

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:57 PM

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._.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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sturdy barn it may be impossible to get that high but when

._.

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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rare kindle Like the red side reflects what his dad can do, so I think the green side reflec...

Oh, hm. I didn’t pick up on that, but that’s clever.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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64 is max in a hell mode save

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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His dad gets boiling blood like you do

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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60 is the highest thats been done

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Hades gets Boiling Blood?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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https://imgur.com/27BBOlz.jpg

Imgur

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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ohhhhh

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pact of rewards maybe?

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:59 PM

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Try it and report back how far you get

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 5:59 PM

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When does Hades use Boiling Blood?

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 5:59 PM

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If you make it to meg I’d consider it a success

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 5:59 PM

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probably all the way up to meg

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and then smacked by the furies

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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When you get one of his skull casts lodged inside you and whatever damage he does deals double damage to you

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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yup

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Oh, hm.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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and it is LITERALLY called boiling blood

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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anyone without high heat experience likely dies around double digit chamber numbers if that

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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like you get a pop up in red above you saying boiling blood

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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or times out in c11 or 12

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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civic pendant For real ? I've been thinking about going back to some other Roguelike games aft...

The heat is worse imo. CP, FO2 HL5, HS. Not much room for mistakes. Also, adding RI makes it nearly impossible (single dash)

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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rare kindle Going off of green mirror talents, how do you think Persephone fight would go?

There's a Persephone fight ? Just dont tell me how to get it I want to find it by myself.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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^

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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I thought the “Boiling Blood” marker meant that my Boiling Blood was disabled. I thought the gimmick for Hades’s cast was that the skull would disable one of your talents.

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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No, like a hypothetical Persephone fight

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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civic pendant There's a Persephone fight ? Just dont tell me how to get it I want to find it b...

there isnt

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they are theory crafting what it would be like

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Because the green side reflects your mother’s influence

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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proven osprey The heat is worse imo. CP, FO2 HL5, HS. Not much room for mistakes. Also, adding...

Well that is with more heat than just EM4 but it doesn't feel like EM4 alone would be the hardest Roguelike boss fight.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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i think it would be the opossite in design

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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probably not

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but the whole point is that heat is modular

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:02 PM

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hades is a gulking brute, high hp high damage but slow

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persephone would be fast but have little health

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basically

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sans

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:02 PM

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well I mean sure you could ignore half the content lol

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:02 PM

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you can add heat to make EM4 the most difficult thing in the game

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Also, Hell Mode just removes your post-damage i-frames, doesn’t it?

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:02 PM

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not the i frames, the protective barrier

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that pops up when you take burst

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Is that not i-frames?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

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okay, here I go with Heat Guage 64 with Bow!

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

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hm

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good luck

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i believe in you, you can get to chamber 6

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

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I hadn’t noticed the protective barrier. I just noticed that Zagreus flashed.

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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you notice it sometimes

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try facetanking dad lasers

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that should do it

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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It’s only when you take a massive hit

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Smaller hits don’t trigger it

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Oh.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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okay, I died in the second room

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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So, like, getting hit by a magic ball wouldn’t trigger it?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:04 PM

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I'd call that a success

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:05 PM

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for example, lasers would trigger it if you had PL off

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like in a normal save

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in a hell mode save getting hit by a laser = DD

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:05 PM

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keen mesa okay, I died in the second room

lmaooo

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:05 PM

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I only got burst damage once I think and that's recent.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:05 PM

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you killed like 2 numbskulls??

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good job

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farther than most can get

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Good job

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Is that the only fundamental gameplay change in Hell Mode? Just Personal Liability being added to the Pact and not being able to be turned off?

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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And minimum 5 heat always

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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ah

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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But I think that’s it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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there it is

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Aw.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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that should make the early game... hell

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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If I had known that was all Hell Mode did, I would have turned it on from the start.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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😎

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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https://imgur.com/OaOuGS7.jpg

Imgur

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 6:06 PM

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hard labor 1, jury summons 1, calisthenics program 1, lasting consequences 1 and personal liability are always on

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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That's Hell Mode, that's what I started out playing with

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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I saw the barrier and I was like oh so that's what we dont get in hell mode, I actually thought it was no i-frames only.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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nah the early is probably really tough and the mid game would be messy since youd have fewer resources

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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https://imgur.com/qPP9pYY.jpg

Imgur

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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niiice

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:07 PM

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And you can't turn it off or turn on God Mode

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Honestly, I wish I hadn't turned it on

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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i... wat

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Can I turn on Hell Mode once I’ve started a save?

rare kindle Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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No

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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That’s annoying.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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you have to select it when starting the save file

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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So there’s no way for me to turn on Personal Liability on a normal save?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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nope

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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one of the problems with Hell Mode is that, for instance, Cthonic Vitality ALWAYS gives you 2 health instead of 3, because Lasting Consequences is always on

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:08 PM

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That is

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very obnoxious.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:09 PM

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wait

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:09 PM

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I started the game without hell mode and its already challenging enough without it, its best to keep it for later when you really want that extra challenge.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:09 PM

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you cannot choose which are on?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:09 PM

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no -- the screenshot I showed you

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those are the five that are always on

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:09 PM

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._.

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thats rough lol

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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I've never played against enemies that don't have 20% more damage, 20% more summons, 15% more health, and 25% less health gain for me

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Chtonic Vitality isn't that good anyways, I prefer Dark Regeneration.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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I also have no idea what the "brief invulnerability" is from Personal Liability

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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It apparently isn’t used very often.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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I'm guessing it's not the same as Broken Spear

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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yeah, only when you get big burst

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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which actives from -any- damage

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:10 PM

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no

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apparently

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other people said its when you get damaged beeg like by hades lazers

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:11 PM

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hrm, that's just small damage many times thouhg

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like asterius whirlwind

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:11 PM

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There's a barrier that triggers around you like when a boss becomes impervious.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Don't bosses become impervious at certain health thresholds though?

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not bursts of damage?

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM

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After 100 runs I only got that once that I know of, it maybe happened more than that but I never noticed.

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM

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The shield triggers when you take a burst of dmg

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single hit or not

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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That’s a pretty strange mechanic for how infrequently it’s used.

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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keen mesa Don't bosses become impervious at certain health thresholds though?

It works that way for bosses, impervious for Zagreus is when taking burst of damage.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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ohhh so since the damage numbers go up on the lazers (like when YOU use lucifer) it may count it as 1 instance of damage to activate tha barrier

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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ionic kraken That’s a pretty strange mechanic for how infrequently it’s used.

it makes more a difference than you could think but yeah

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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it makes a difference on GY

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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ionic kraken That’s a pretty strange mechanic for how infrequently it’s used.

I think its just to avoid players getting stunlocked by enemies.

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:13 PM

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or when you don’t have thick skin

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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definitely

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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i assume so, i often tank the hades octopus without em juts cause im lazy

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i assume id just get nuked if i was in hell mode

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Octopus lol

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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thats what it is smh

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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What’s Hades Octopus?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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the lazers

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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hades is an octopus

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Oh.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:14 PM

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on the 2nd part of the 2nd phase

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lmao

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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His laser attack isn’t too bad. I just hide behind the pillars.

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It’s super telegraphed.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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I'm honestly surprised EM4 didn't remove the pillars ;-P

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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yeah but if you have 3 dd's and half hp you just get impatient

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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or make them breakable

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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and tank through em

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exactly thats what i expected too ignite

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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if you have 100% dodge you tank through them haha

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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sturdy barn i assume id just get nuked if i was in hell mode

Definitely lol.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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whenever fists are purple, I've started using Zag fists with Plume

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and just going straight dodge build

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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yeah thats gonna be my next run

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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those are stupid but fun

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:15 PM

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if you also take ruthless reflex and get some other dodge talents, you can easily dodge everything

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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also to get hermes favour

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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ive done it twice, my highest dodge chance was 60

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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and a hermes legendary maybe

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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it was REALLY stupid

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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@sturdy barn You can stand near Hades when he's doing lasers and not taking damage, that is if not in EM4.

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yeah i got 60 once

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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I love Ruthless Reflex.

regal garden Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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you know the lasers hades sends out

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when he fills the screens out

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i was dodging like half of them

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when i ran in front of them

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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doesnt matter

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just punch

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thats the build

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punch people

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:16 PM

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In EM4 anyways you cant tank the lasers, so much is going on and you need all the health you can.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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press the attack buttons, if you dont die by elysium you win

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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You can dodge all of them with Plume (30%) + Zag fists (15%) + Ruthless (50%) + some other dodge like from after call or base dodge or uh, I think there's one other

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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second wind and also just greater evasion

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I like Ruthless Reflex and then try for Greatest Reflex from Hermes to replace Greater Reflex.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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is there one other dodge?

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Second wind or evasion yeah

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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What if you have 50% dodge and ruthless reflex, do you get 100% dodge after dashing after an attack ?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:17 PM

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I just know that I beat EM4 hades last night with dodge fists and I had NO DDs left and only 40 health

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but I was taking no damage

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what you HAVE to avoid though is when Ruthless Reflex 50% runs out

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:18 PM

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I beat EM4 yesterday for the first time with 2/4 DDs left.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:18 PM

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and he comes out of hiding

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because then he can hit you for a lot and you have to dash avoid it

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because your 50% dodge won't be up anymore

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:18 PM

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What does Ruthless Reflex have to do with dodge chance? Doesn’t it just increase your damage and movement speed?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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no, it's 50% damage and 50% dodge...

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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oh no you have to press your 1 button to not die

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boo hoo

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Oh.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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but you need to "nearly miss" an attack to active it

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Yeah.

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It’s like Witch Time in Bayonetta.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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yeah

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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which means when it falls off, there's no way to get it back until you dash avoid something again

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Or Hero Time in The Wonderful 101.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:19 PM

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its why i always take greater reflex lol

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im lazy

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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I like Ruthless just for the damage and dodge chance.

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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ruthless reflex is mainly useful for cast builds

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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And then Greatest Reflex compensates, but that requires some luck.

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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+50% is hard to come by

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:20 PM

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fair

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must be decent on hera bow then

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Having a 100% dodge chance with Ruthless Reflex sounds busted.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:21 PM

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actually imma try that next time i get bow dark thirst

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Doesn’t it last, like, ten seconds?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:21 PM

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well yeah but just spam dash attacks

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you will inevitably near-miss an attack in those 10 seconds lol

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and it resets

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Yeah, that kinda sounds busted.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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normally youre afraid of what happens if you get hit while spamming that but with 100% dodge chance just spam

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i havent had this run

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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also for hera you should always be running abyssal blood

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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but if it works like this and dodge has no cap then ye this makes sense

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I feel like it should probably just cap at 75% or something.

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I'm still playing with Greater Reflex but one day I'll try Ruthless with a dodge build.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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frail schooner also for hera you should always be running abyssal blood

i legit NEVER use the green mirror, ill need to research a bit lol

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Hermes keepsake + Hermes boons.

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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It’s just that Boiling Blood doesn’t increase cast damage

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So it won’t do much

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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+zag fists laumi

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thtey give 15% dodge

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on max rank

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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-30% move speed and damage is like a free weak

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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I prefer the red talents most of the time, but some of the green talents are really good.

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Plus you get crush shot usually

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So enemies do half damage

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:24 PM

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i only playtested them once for the mission lol

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and that was at uhh

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late at night

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and my brain went poof

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:24 PM

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fated persuasion is also just better

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:24 PM

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so i dont even remember what they do lol

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:24 PM

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I like Boiling Blood a lot more than its alternative that slows enemies down.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:24 PM

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frail schooner fated persuasion is also just better

ye thats the 1 thing i use

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and the rarer rooms instead of epics

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the last 2 are my only greens

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wait what about a chill slow build

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maybe chiron with aphro attack demeter special

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that would be fun i think

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:25 PM

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the slow from abyssal blood doesn’t work like chill does

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unfortunately

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:25 PM

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with the enemies just coming with no speed at all

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:c

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:25 PM

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abyssal blood is just move speed and not attack speed

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chill is both

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:25 PM

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oh it works like the opossite of overtime?

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ah ok

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nvm then

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chill is the opposite of overtime

civic pendant Jan 13, 2021, 6:26 PM

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sturdy barn +zag fists laumi

Yes that too but I mean I can also do it with other weapons.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:26 PM

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me dumb

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:26 PM

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chill is also insane because killing freeze exists

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:26 PM

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civic pendant Yes that too but I mean I can also do it with other weapons.

its more fun since you start with it on to some extent, you can still try it with others tho

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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What’s Killing Freeze do again?

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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DoT and slow if all enemies have at least 1 chill

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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OH

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yeah

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that is absolutely busted

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Sounds busted on bosses.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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for bosses at least

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yeah

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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it is

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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its like free 3 stack hangover

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on top of no movement

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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the slow increases with rarity too

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:27 PM

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and (depending on the weapon) high damage

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demeter is really fun tbh

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but in a cheesy way

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artemis feels fun in the massive explosions of damage you can get, same as ares

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:28 PM

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I find it interesting that Demester’s cast has nothing to do with freezing enemies.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:28 PM

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poseidon is satisfying cause you slam a dude on a wall 1km away

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then demeter you just laugh at poor little cow man running towards you slower than a turtoise

frail schooner Jan 13, 2021, 6:29 PM

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some t2 boons are just broken

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:30 PM

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also i find it funny that hangover and killing freeze still damage poor asterius in the mid fight at the end

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always gets me seeing him run off while flashing red

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i wonder if its possible to kill him with that actually

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you just need to do 2800 damage which technically isnt that hard if you have a decent ares duo or two plus some lucky crits with pressure point

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:33 PM

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ionic kraken I find it interesting that Demester’s cast has nothing to do with freezing enemi...

She has a t2 that does just this

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:33 PM

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plus you can glitch him out to make him stay in the stadium longer if you body block him in a corner as you take him down to 20%

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:33 PM

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Though its silly it doesn’t come out of the box

ionic kraken Jan 13, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Just found out that Aspect of Beowulf is incompatible with Demeter’s laser cast.

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I need a moment.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:45 PM

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NOOOOO

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:45 PM

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That honestly feels like a Demeter buff not gonna lie

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:46 PM

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meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam meme beam

empty heron Jan 13, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Wait like it straight up doesn't work?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:49 PM

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no, you cant get it

empty heron Jan 13, 2021, 6:49 PM

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I wonder why

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Almost like they changed the name of Shot to Flare to indicate something thanthink

empty heron Jan 13, 2021, 6:50 PM

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You'd just need to point the laser where you headed idk

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:50 PM

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with dash tho

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like when does it appear?

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pre dash?

misty turret Jan 13, 2021, 6:50 PM

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incompatible with aspect of chaos
https://i.imgur.com/wBtRe5q.png
cringe

Imgur

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:50 PM

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post dash?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Charged flight actually owns on beo

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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it just owns

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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charged flight aphro is a wrecking ball

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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not as much as

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Charged Flight Zeus would be pog tbh

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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EXPLOSIVE RAMA

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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You think so? Beo has such high base damage I’d figure it’s into % boon territory

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Better yet Explosive Perfect Shot Rama

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:51 PM

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For the special

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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dry ember Better yet Explosive Perfect Shot Rama

:')

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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I got twin shot point blank shot Rama the other day and it was 👌🏻

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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i legit did that build once to get the hammer upgrades

misty turret Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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explosive rama bruh

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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i wanted to die to asterius to get hypnos' autograph

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it was just

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painful

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never even got to half charge rama lmao

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Shotgun bow so much fun

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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YE

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shotgun crit

real kernel Jan 13, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Does Point-Blank Shot's range scale with Twin Shot?

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Also, what does Second Wave technically do? When is the additional Knock-Away effect applied, and does that compound with the normal knockback (and therefore the Wall Crush or Cornered damage)?

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Hello !

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My gf love the spear and she is looking for a good build. Unfortunately I don’t play spear so I don’t know what do tell her

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Any advice ?

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Uh gy special

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Achilles cast build

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Zag special build

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And attack hades

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 8:49 PM

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She use hades. Which boon should she pick ?

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 8:49 PM

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artemis attack is good

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Artemis ? Okay. And aphrodite special for the combo ?

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 8:53 PM

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aphro dash works

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or artemis dash

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having chaos dash strike bonuses is really good

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Ohh

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 8:55 PM

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real kernel Does Point-Blank Shot's range scale with Twin Shot?

Point blank’s range is the same with and without twin shot

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I ran into that exact build last night

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So yeah it’s great

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Never play dash chaos

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Abandon chaos

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Return to monke zag

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 9:08 PM

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restive tiger Never play dash chaos

not like the aspect of chaos

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i mean like getting +attack% or +dash strike% bonuses from chaos

restive tiger Jan 13, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Yes

abstract flower Jan 13, 2021, 9:31 PM

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Is Hazard Bomb incompatible with Eris?

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Its not but

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Why would you take it

abstract flower Jan 13, 2021, 9:34 PM

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It's the last one on the fated list

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But I'll try going another aspect

scenic oracle Jan 13, 2021, 9:34 PM

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what cast and boons i go for poseidon aspect?

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Exit wounds

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From arty

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And smt that lodged the cast stone in

scenic oracle Jan 13, 2021, 9:35 PM

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poseidon cast good?

ripe glade Jan 13, 2021, 9:36 PM

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What does the Ambiguity Bonus from Boldy do?

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I suggest taking arti artifact

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Actually can’t hazard bomb be a galaxy brain Eris strat?

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I remember someone saying the self damage was minuscule, and that it can be worth

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:41 PM

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ripe glade What does the Ambiguity Bonus from Boldy do?

It is ambiguous

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 9:41 PM

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I mean

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U can iframe it

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Or not ifrsme and do a trick for it

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:41 PM

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||it is a troll bonus. Bouldy trolled you||

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 9:42 PM

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But

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That requires skill

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I just remember someone mentioning it once

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But yeah it’s galaxy brain minimum lol. Faint of heart need not apply

opal lodge Jan 13, 2021, 9:49 PM

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you can i frame it but it's not worth the mental effort really

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:50 PM

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man, 80% damage reduction is gonna be SICK

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just need to get there... I'm at 26%...

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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are they only two options to improve the quality of a boon from your inventory? ||Demeters Rare Crop|| and ||Eurydice||. Which are both also random.

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Am I missing something?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:53 PM

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yes -- other gods getting jealous

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and offering you replacement boons

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which are always higher quality

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so if you have epic attack boon, another god might offer you an attack boon, it will be heroic

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:53 PM

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*and the only way to acquire heroic rarity boons

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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that means, theoretically, the maximum number of heroic boons you can have would be, uh, like 4+3+2, so 9

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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yeah, thanks for pointing that out. might be good to manifest this knowledge.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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but that's really pushing it

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I think you'd be hard pressed to ever get more than 6-7

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Rarity is pretty strong. Maybe they will be another thing to improve the Rarity in the Future.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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assuming rare crop is epic and hits 3, and ambrosia hits 2 epic boons

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and then 2 gods offer you heroics

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However, that also means you've taken an Epic boon for something you didn't want

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and now you're getting offered the Heroic of the one you do want

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don't just switch because it's heroic...

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:55 PM

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And if you’re luck is that good you’ll have rolled into hunting blades and ME at the same time and it wont matter what rarity your boons are lol

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Yeah heroic doesn’t mean flat better

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Don’t give up dio cast and scintillating feast just for a friggin heroic splash cast

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:56 PM

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https://imgur.com/hwC6QSO.jpg

Imgur

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So torn over which keepsake to use

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Literally all of them.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Get Hermès unlocked

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

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I wanted the gold

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Oh no, you’re going to have to make choices all over the place

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Gold is an excellent one

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But sooner than later

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Hermès is one of the great beginner keepsakes, especially for a couple aspects

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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https://imgur.com/0XliGea.jpg

Imgur

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I know ;-D

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I'm making a god mode account

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Ahhhh look at you

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Ok

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Why god mode?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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cuz I want easy fun mode

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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Mmmmmm

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How do you even start a hell mode save 👀

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I must have the worst luck ever right now. Only have Jury Summons on level 1 which changes the amount of enemies in the encounters. I am in Asphodel right now and had so many new encounters with like 10-30 spawning enemies. It's insane. Every room rolls the most enemis possible.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I want to try

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 PM

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start a new file and select hell mode

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I mean fully maxed out save on 0 heat is near unlosable imo.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I wasn’t going to say it 🙈

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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It took me over 100 attempts to escape on hell mode

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we'll see how long it takes on god mode

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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@smoky imp be careful with jury summons

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It’s a nasty little witch

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I've HEARD of people doing escape on first attempt, but they must be absolute godly pros

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Like freshfile?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 9:59 PM

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yeah

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Dunno what your heat is but there are lots of things I’d take before jury summons

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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I mean they also put like hundred of hours into the game before hand.

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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keen mesa I've HEARD of people doing escape on first attempt, but they must be absolute go...

My first win was on attempt 25 😄

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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with Hell Mode on?

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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smoky imp My first win was on attempt 25 😄

comparing myself to all other heres, I must be one of the worst

smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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keen mesa with Hell Mode on?

nope

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Hell Mode you start with 5 heat

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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I honestly don't believe anyone can clear the game literally first try with 0 hour.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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No no, that’s just fine lunes

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Lunex*

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKepf4jyn4o

YouTube

IGN

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Hades is a game where the main character Zagreus tries to escape hell over and over. But speedrunner Vorime says "No thanks" and just does it in one try! So ride along with Supergiant Games' Amir Rao (Studio Director) and Greg Kasavin (Creative Director) as they watch and react to one of the coolest speedruns we've seen yet!

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smoky imp Jan 13, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I like to play around, test things

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:01 PM

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apparently it happened...

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:01 PM

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keen mesa apparently it happened...

Yeah it's called freshfile speedrun.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:01 PM

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I think I’m pretty decent at this game and it took me into the 30s I think for my first clear

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:02 PM

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keen mesa apparently it happened...

I mean like literally first time picking up the game and win.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:02 PM

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oh

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Well, yeah, rofl

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unless you're some kind of godly roguelike player and you know how to evaluate choices

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:02 PM

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I mean you just don't have the game knowledge also.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:02 PM

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oh come on, this guy got divine dash first offer

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that alone can carry you super far

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:03 PM

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There was a person who came here asking for 0 hour max heat speedrun.

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We were like please don't xD

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Dude was persistent.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:03 PM

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0 hour?

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you can't select heat on fresh file though

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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You can die and on Hell Mode you have Pact immediately

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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yeah

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Basically they wanted to do 43 heat immediately (including dying)

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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but on a fresh file on hell mode, is the pact active from the start?

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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If this makes sense.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I don't remember

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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No no, you can die

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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ah

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I get it

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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yeah

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:04 PM

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so you immediately die, then crank it up

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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yup

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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why only 43?

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Because you don't have access to RI4

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Oh right

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Since your mirror is locked

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no EM4 also

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And I think something else that I can't recall right now

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:05 PM

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so EM4 is 10 points less

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RI is 8

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:06 PM

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basically he spent 8 hours and not getting to Fury

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That was last I heard from him.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:06 PM

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lol

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Poor lad. I hope he actually tried to play the game "normally"

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:07 PM

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max you could do without EM4 and RI4 is 46

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unless there is something else you can unlock that cuts off 3 more without it

dry ember Jan 13, 2021, 10:08 PM

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maybe I misremembered the 43 figure. Regardless it was "freshfile max heat." Goes without saying it was likely a vain endeavor.

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:08 PM

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lol

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well, now I need to know, one second!

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:10 PM

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My that man rest in peace

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May*

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Dang first post typo. Bad omen

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:11 PM

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fresh file hell mode:

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https://imgur.com/Wtl7qc8.jpg

Imgur

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no access to routine inspection or extreme measures

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god that would be brutal...

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impossible

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Yeah.... no

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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To be fair....

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Routine Inspection doesn't matter, because you're not using them anyway

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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starting a new hellmode save boys

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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So 46 and 54 are the same thing when you don't even have mirror talents

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Wish me luck

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Who wants to start a pool on how far I make it

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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on the first run?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Yup

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Starting now

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Probably to Meg

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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If I’m lucky

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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your cast is SUPER powerful FYI

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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What modifiers do I have on here first time

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Anything?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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lol yeah, you have 5 heat

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Copy copy

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What are they?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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enemies have 20% more damage, 15% more health, you have 25% less healing

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Ah, ok

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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https://imgur.com/OaOuGS7.jpg

Imgur

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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SCREW YOU DAD, IM OUTTA HERE

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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that's hell mode

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Wheeeeeee

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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spiral badge SCREW YOU DAD, IM OUTTA HERE

That's a mood

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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why is it so hard to get the achievement to purge a legendary boon

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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because you need to get a legendary boon first 😉

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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every time i finally get a legendary theres no way i can purge it

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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hah, yeah, easy to do it I guess in styx

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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its not

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Like it's not showing up?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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well, I suppose you need the legendary to actually show up...

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but there are a couple of purging areas in styx tunnels

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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ive gotten like 3 legendary boons post styx and theres no well to purge or i get RNG'd and it doesnt show up to purge

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(today)

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been farming for it for a few hours now

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Ah

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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you COULD use fated persuasion...

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to reroll the purge offer lol

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Fair point

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:16 PM

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getting the legendary is much harder with persuasion

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Should if you’re really hunting for it

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Whatttttt

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No its not

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Different mirror tree dawg

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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i know

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I'm getting confused

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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isn't fated persuasion the one that lets you reroll the boon offered?

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not the room?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Yeah

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It is

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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fated authority is the room reroll

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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otherwise u cant roll chambers for more boons

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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So, you’re right and I’m with you 100%

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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yeah but if u dont get the prereqs u locked out anyways

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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yeah but if you're going for legendary achievement... take fated persuasion

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Glad to have finally met another member of team Fated Authority

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I think it's better anyway

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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But I really do find persuasion to be better for that too

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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fated authority I used all the time, and then I made the switch

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and I never went back

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Same

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I love and hawk fated authority for zeus and Artemis all day long

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Fated authority is nice if you are looking for specifics tho

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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When you dont care which boons you get, you just want more

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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In terms of gods

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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in fact the only reason I've seen to take fated authority is during Hoard Slash meme build to get more gold rooms

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 PM

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And I think people underrate FA outright anyway

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But if you’re truly hunting legendaries, it’s usually more powerful to be able to roll the boon pool itself

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Oh boys

fading garden Jan 13, 2021, 10:19 PM

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So what exactly is the peer pressure glitch?

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:19 PM

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well, fated authority is pretty weak though because Key/Darkness/Nectar/Gemstone rooms can only be rerolled to each other

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:19 PM

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That fresh file run

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It’s not streamers luck

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Athena dash is guaranteed

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Yeah but FA has some very neat tricks up its sleeve

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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why's that?

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Fresh file 46?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Becaus I just got it lol

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Right there

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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keen mesa well, fated authority is pretty weak though because Key/Darkness/Nectar/Gemstone...

i like rolling those tho

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i roll for nectar

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cuz its just a pom

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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FA can roll into double rooms

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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true

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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FA can roll crazy zeus builds like nobody’s business

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FA can roll you into hammers

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:20 PM

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fated persuasion is godly though for Chaos rooms

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and when you need to purge

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hammers are guaranteed, you don't need to roll into them

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

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FA has 8 damn rolls and each reroll only ever costs 1

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guaranteed is a relative term you and I both know

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Yeah but that can spiral if you dont show patience

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

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no, it literally is guaranteed, lol

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you'll always get 2 hammers in a run

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Yes, but when in the run?

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That can be impactful

abstract flower Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Fated Persuasion has saved my ass so many times

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:22 PM

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keen mesa you'll always get 2 hammers in a run

I'm at 90 hrs and didnt know that haha

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:22 PM

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most of the time you'll get a hammer in tartarus -- if you don't, you'll get it in the shop, and if you don't there, you'll get it -guaranteed- in Asphodel

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:22 PM

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Fated persuasion is outright better, but people sleep on FA

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:22 PM

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so you will -always- be offered a hammer before, I think, chamber 20

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then you'll be offered a hammer in Elysium, and if you skip it, you'll probably get offered again, and if you keep skipping it, it'll show up as a tunnel ;-P

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Dude stop my mind

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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hermes works the same way

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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That I knew

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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if you've only ever been offered 2 hermes boons, your 3rd one will be offered in styx shop

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if you got 3, you'll get hammer offer

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Think of it this way: that hammer is now occupying the slot that a centaur heart once was in

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Which means its out of the boon pool for later

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:23 PM

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i almost never buy the hammer

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the rng scares me

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too many things that could ruin my synergy

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Which opens up more boon opportunities down the line because it’s out of rotation

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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dense crown too many things that could ruin my synergy

But so many things that could make it work that much better haha

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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also, fated persuasion directly works with Gods' Pride

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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eh not really

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it depends on the weapon

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Fair

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:24 PM

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because you can reroll and have a better chance at getting Epic

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(or Gods Legacy for duo/legendary)

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I did hunreds of runs using Fated Authority, and I had the same argument FOR it in here

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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That’s a fair point, I tend to use FA for the gods where thats not an issue. I’ll trade direct control over rarity of my zeus boons if it means I can pick up 4 more of them during a run

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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then I switched to Persuasion, just to try it out, and I've never switched back

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Same with Artemis

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I was absolutely wrong

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I use both

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:25 PM

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if im an attack build with 2 good attack buffs from hammer theres almost zero reason to risk losing an attack buff for potentially 2 specials one. even just going net neutral with 1 attack buff and 1 special buff is a waste of the gold if im not invested into special.

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Persuasion bores me sometimes, I feel too cautious with it

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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i usually use persuasion on chaos

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Like I’m considering my choices too carefully

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I like just altering fate Willy nilly and seeing what my luck throws me sometimes

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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However, one thing I will say about Persuasion, is that because you start with only 4, and it gets more expensive each switch

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I will always take key rooms, rofl

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Especially if its more boons, accuracy by volume

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Yeah thats my favorite part of FA

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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keys are godly if you're using persuasion

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:27 PM

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don’t like your reroll? Hit it again! Only ever costs 1!

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:27 PM

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BUT, if you are using Pact of Punishment where you need to purge boons between areas

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then persuasion is absolutely necessary

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because if you have to purge your best boons, you're screwed

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:28 PM

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god support fire on zeus rail builds is so fun

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Oh def

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:28 PM

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you charge god gauge so quick lmao

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was using it with aphrodite and i got it max gauge 4 times

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on hades fight

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:28 PM

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playing in my new file, and I just encountered when a god gives you their call for the first time, it's the only boon you can take and it's epic...

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:28 PM

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aphrodite nuke is so fun

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:29 PM

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what a magical moment

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and he even charges it to half full for you!!

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what a guy

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:29 PM

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i wonder

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can i cheese the achievement by getting the fishing boon and then selling it

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on a fresh save

stone harbor Jan 13, 2021, 10:29 PM

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I did it that way

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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You can cheese the achievement by selling it, DO NOT close the sell window, use task manager to kill the game, then restart it

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you'll start in that room again, with the achievement, but you won't have to sell anything again

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;-P

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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wait why do you need to kill the game

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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if you close the sell window, it will save the game

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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whats wrong with saving

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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well, let's say you want to keep the legendary boon

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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oh

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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but you really want that stupid achievement, rofl

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 PM

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idgaf

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im just spamming 0 heat runs

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legendary boons are overkill

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:31 PM

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I suppose, lol

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I've noticed that if you want knockback to actually work on bosses, you need legendary from poseidon

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:31 PM

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ive been more tilted by the fact that i cant sell the boon after i got it

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or use shield

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:b

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:31 PM

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the double knockback will succesfully hit hades into wall for wall damage triggers

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:32 PM

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nah u definitely dont need legendary for wall slam

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https://gfycat.com/practicalwellgroomedaracari

Gfycat

water gun

▶ Play video

keen mesa Jan 13, 2021, 10:32 PM

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oh cool

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lol

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:32 PM

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its just harder

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even if theyre only moving a couple pixels into the wall its still a wall slam

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lol that build was so meme, level 14 common rarity attack

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charge shot with fast bull rush and hermes attack speed was too funny

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i didnt even have the boon that gave poseidon boons extra boss damage

inner forge Jan 13, 2021, 10:35 PM

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I would love to find the missing link between meme and speedrun builds

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:36 PM

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i accidentally got the aphrodite/poseidon duo boon for +1 poms early in asphodel that run, good times

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I didnt think bosses got pushed back at all

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:37 PM

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like i said just use shield :b

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Nah I'm trying to master the Stygian Blade

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Alright boys

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I made meg

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With 25 health

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Wish me luck

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Oof

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Gl with that

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Yeah fresh mode is fun

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No healing source whatsoever huuuurts

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Fresh mode?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Fresh file hell mode

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Ouch

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Megara’s voice sends me to maximum security horny jail and I cannot apologize

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 10:39 PM

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?

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R u doing fresh file full heat?

sand tusk Jan 13, 2021, 10:39 PM

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What did I just read?

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Yeah

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Got a hair up my butt

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Fresh file hell mode

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:40 PM

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spiral badge Megara’s voice sends me to maximum security horny jail and I cannot apologize

honestly same

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:41 PM

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“ Z: I want to go home the hard way” “M: A man after my own heart”

aaaaaaaaaaaand I’m in a puddle on The floor failbag

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Ahhhhh biscuits

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She dun kilt me

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No double dash to get away from her AOE attack

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Oh man the house is so threadbare

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:44 PM

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man i am not feeling persuasion for this achievement

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im not getting any chambers i need to actually get the prereqs

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:44 PM

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You do have the +10% legendary chance on? Stupid question?

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:44 PM

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yes i do

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im trying to get the artemis legendary and i literally didnt get a single artemis chamber

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just cleared tartarus

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Oof

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Arty is tough

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:45 PM

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using the keepsake ofc

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:45 PM

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In general

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:45 PM

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i got the first one and that was it

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:45 PM

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You’re not alone, arty’s legendary is tough to come by under the best circumstances

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I wish I knew you were doing her

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Honestly I change my recco, for her go FA

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You need accuracy through volume of boons for her

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:46 PM

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im just trying to get the achievement and also do the prophecy to get all the legendary boons and kill 2 birds

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:46 PM

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Yeah FA for arty

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She has so many choices it helps to have the extra room rolls just to churn through them all

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Ok, run 2 fresh file hell mode. I’m still counting this one as part of my first because I only bought the dash and hades without 2 dashes isn’t actually hades to me lol

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:47 PM

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btw which aspect do you recommend for arty

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not a fan of the bow

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Dang arty goes on lots of stuff

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Truly

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Why not? Played all aspects?

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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dense crown btw which aspect do you recommend for arty

nemesis

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Honestly I only ask because Chiron in particular go brrrrrrr with arty

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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yeah i have

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i just dont like bow

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idk

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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that is the best

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Yeah nemesis is fun

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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cause of the inate massive crit from specials

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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id rather use charged shot shield before bow lol

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Ummmmmm I like fists for arty

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:48 PM

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using eris atm

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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take world splitter if you can or the dash attack one if you are weird and got her dash too

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Because with FA if you roll into marked target early on you spend the whole game with the room covered in crits at all times

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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and its REALLY strong with the right buffs

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yup

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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I am too much babby to ever take world splitter

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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its really fun for my playstyle

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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I can’t go that slow in games like this

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i dash a LOT so usually i dash attack twice and then attack once

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Must. Unga. Bunga.

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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so its perfect really

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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i had fun times with nemesis with the hammer that makes u half hp but have 2% healing with the flurry hit + deflect attack

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Yessss

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Cursed slash

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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literally just unkillable

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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dense crown i had fun times with nemesis with the hammer that makes u half hp but have 2% he...

yessss

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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People hate on it but I have a problem with it

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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cursed is really fun

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until you get one shot

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then its trash

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Like, I’m addicted badly

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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and you hate it and never pick it up ever again

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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But thats part of the fuuuuun though

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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lmao

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Cursed slash with max zag sword is fun

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:50 PM

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i like cursed slash but i hate guan yu

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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yup guan yu aint fun either

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it makes you play slow

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and thats lame

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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jagged grove Cursed slash with max zag sword is fun

My sole exception for why zag sword can be p. Ok

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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guan yu is really boring

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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You are unkillable if you pick up that and any other kind of attack speed boon at all

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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the damage/healing isnt worth it imo

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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you are unkillable

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until you get one shot

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:51 PM

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p much

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its really fun on low heat

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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same can be said with guan yu and fast charge

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ye in low heat its amazing

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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@proven osprey prove em wrong

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Yeah guan yu and fast charge I like

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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but after that its a meme lol

spiral badge Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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But thats about it

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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yep lol

jagged grove Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Sorry for ping btw lmao

proven osprey Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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heart attack from ping

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but I'm ok

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sup

dense crown Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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ive never played a roguelike before but coming into this game with a PoE background has been pretty nice

sturdy barn Jan 13, 2021, 10:52 PM

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200 stress