Tables have turned
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven osprey
spiral badge
My favorite thing to do in this game is run talos fists with crush shot
proven osprey
You're one step away from admitting that crush shot GY is the way
opal lodge
You're one step away from admitting that crush shot GY is the way
thats quite a leap youre making there big fella
proven osprey
maybe
charred moss
Like a shot gun
dry ember
You don't
charred moss
Real up close and personal.
rare kindle
I guess there’s blown kiss to make it feel less bad but I like my casts to have some range
opal lodge
you can abuse crush shot in very funny ways
its kind of buggy
so you can hit enemies with the aoe without it lodging
so if you get flurry cast you can almost non-stop cast
my poseidon sword PB this patch was with flurry cast crush shot before i beat it yesterday
spiral badge
Yeah crush shot is actually bugged to hell and back in Styx
In a good way
If you fire your cast and it impacts a wall just slightly the right way, it inflicts the damage on the enemy but doesn’t lodge the cast in them
Which means the cast stone just lands right there at your feat
Which means if you find a spot you can just sit there and hammer the cast button until whatever you’re next to is dead
Crush shot is great grow some hair on your chest and pump your enemies full of 00-love as Zeus intended
Actually Zeus not that great on Gilgamesh
Big % on attack for gilga
Maim makes it handle more like Rama or hestia than ordinary fists where you’re trying to make actual big numbers with every swing
So aphro or dem or arty
Or Athena if you like
jagged grove
ah
my reasoning is that
because maim is a curse status
I won't need a lot of different gods for a good build
and investing heavily into zeus is optimal
so I reasoned that going almost all in with zeus would be effective
dry ember
because maim is a curse status
dry ember
Nah
spiral badge
Ordinarily I’m all about sipping that Zeus juice and getting swole on bolts but yeah, not necessarily the bees knees for Gilgamesh specifically
keen mesa
just got offered my first hammer on this run! only took me till chamber 19! woo...
longest I've ever gone without seeing a hammer
misty turret
i've had runs where i didnt get a hammer until elysium
keen mesa
you're guaranteed to get one in elysium if you haven't been offered one before
or if you skipped one
BUT I'm not 100% sure if you are guaranteed one in elysium if you already have one
but if you skip it in there, you'll get it as a tunnel reward option
Noooooooooo
I had to take it...
First chaos boon I got offered was +95% gold
Second chaos boon offered here in Elysium... +1 Death Defiance
but no gold collection for 3 rooms
frozen bolt
Oh my god, Demeter's cast is just crazy powerful against anything that dares to stand still
I wish Asterius stood still more
Still, that's what Doom is for
grizzled oyster
If you have demeter artemis duo boon it doesnt even need to stand still
spiral badge
Demeter’s cast needing a T2 to inflict chill with its damage really hurts for me :/
It’s the one cast I almost always avoid unless I’m already getting set up with Artemis
If it had better tracking and no chill or chill but the crappy tracking is fine but not having either out of the box is tough to me
That said dem+arty is a melt machine, just kind of a specific setup imo
frozen bolt
I suspect that duo boon is out of my reach given the current set of boons, but if the opportunity comes up I'll grab it
wide light
Does titan blood for zag aspects count to unlocking hiddens?
spiral badge
i cant imagine why it would make a difference
an aspect should be an aspect should be an aspect
wide light
should be
pliant anvil
Does titan blood for zag aspects count to unlocking hiddens?
as long as you aren't trying to get the spears hidden aspect iirc.
spiral badge
should be.
wide light
Well it was.
pliant anvil
the spear requires 5 non-zag aspects
spiral badge
put it this way, the devs would have to actively set aside zag aspects as a class apart from the other aspects, which would be work
so balance of probability tells me no
though apparently there are exceptions
pliant anvil
put it this way, the devs would have to actively set aside zag aspects as a clas...
this is exactly what they did...
or rather, they check for total number of aspects unlocked
your method is much more complicated than what they did, but unlocking the hidden spear requires non-zag aspects
wide light
Put it this way. This is an indie game, is fully voice acted, and is a balanced, beat 'em up roguelike. I don't think the devs shy away from work.
fading garden
Alright, I wanna run a meme build I've never done before, but I am running out of ideas. I need your help!
jagged grove
Alright, I wanna run a meme build I've never done before, but I am running out o...
Zag fists with plume for big dodge
leaden bay
That's a meme build? 🤔
jagged grove
Yuh
wispy mulch
Anyone any ideas for a gilgamesh build?
misty turret
hunter dash + some attack and meme with dash attack
sonic crypt
Alright, I wanna run a meme build I've never done before, but I am running out o...
super soaker lucifer
wide light
There's a weird feeling to finishing your first run, putting on 1 heat, and then winning again 12 minutes faster.
misty turret
the weirdest feeling i've had with hades is doing a boonless 0 heat run and going 2 minutes under my previous fastest 
sullen valley
Imagine if Chaos had a Curse and a Boon that gave you a small chance to deal extra damage, in trade for having enemies having a chance to evade attacks
misty turret
but why small chance to do extra damage when there's already +attack/special/cast boons
sullen valley
Eh, was thinking of it being a flat amount of damage to make it just a bit difference to Crits' +%...
I mostly just wanna see the chance for enemies to dodge
fickle totem
what is the naked critical chance?
daring turtle
if by naked, you mean without any hammers, boons, or aspect bonuses, then it's 0%
misty turret
^
sullen valley
I just lost my first DD to the Heroes with Arthur because I'm straight up throwing whauhsduigiafdsg
Get me off of this keyboard
misty turret
i nearly threw an easily winning run with gilgamesh once
like barely lived with 10 hp because i just just mashing for hades
daring turtle
Gilgamesh is scary against Hades - I almost don't want to maim him because I don't want to get hit with supermassive damage xD
misty turret
omw to maim HL4 hades and take 108 damage from one spin
sullen valley
I can melt the King Vermin in like 10 seconds with my current build I really just hugged the Asterius Beyblade (with extra Beast Bits)
fickle totem
feels like artemis is the worst range of boons. 4% crit chance is infinitely low
misty turret
oh no i stepped in a pot and now i will instantly die
sullen valley
It's pretty low, but it feels higher than usual, even with Arthur.
misty turret
150 base damage smilers
sullen valley
150 base damage smilers
b.a.d. (Blood and Darkness)
daring turtle
unless you use Arthur
daring turtle
you can stand on magma so long as you use Arthur's special
even magma gets disabled
sullen valley
I have a build completely lying down on Aphrodite (Epic Attack, Heroic Special, Epic Sweet Surrender, Arthur (+Chaos Backstab and Shadow Slash)) and it gives me Level 7 Zeus Cast
spiral badge
feels like artemis is the worst range of boons. 4% crit chance is infinitely low
It feels like that, but the point of the 4% raw chance isn’t the 4%, it’s the chain of Marked Target 50% crit chance buffs it starts spawning behind that
Combine that with support fire which means you have X2 projectiles coming out that effectively double your chance of something critting and proccing marked target
So with support fire on deck 8% is nothing to sneeze at
And that’s just raw chance, not getting into any of her primary boons
See where I’m going? Artemis’ raw crit percentages are very low, but it’s designed in such a way that it creates a powerful positive feedback loop of critting and more critting very quickly once it takes off
sullen valley
Plus the low % chance is to balance out with different DPS spectrums; Either deal a little bit more damage more often with the gun, or you hit like a truck sometimes with the bow
I don't even have Heightened Security on, why were there so many jars this time, they screwed me!
civic pendant
Can we discuss spoiler in this channel ?
jagged grove
yea
civic pendant
Alright.
I finished my first EM4 run earlier but I'm wondering about better strategies against Hades, I usually bother killing the first mini boss Hades spawns and then when he summons 2 more later on in the fight I just try to finish him as fast as possible to get into phase 2 and not having to deal with the mini bosses anymore, about phase 3 he regens himself if there are green pillars right ? Any tips about how you guys take the fight ?
In phase 3 I tend to not focus as much on the exploding skulls since there's so much going on and I feel like its better to keep track of when they're going to explode and then just dodge them unless I have the time to kill some sometimes.
fickle totem
@spiral badge i see, so it can be good, but under specific circumstances
jagged grove
no
u don't need chaos sheild
I suppose ur just unlucky
or have u exhausted the dialougue?
regal garden
ive done so many runs visiting them with shield
and i havent got a waking phrase
so im presuming i havent got the shield dialogue yet
regal garden
i would hope not i just want it there to be unlocked
coarse moss
only thing you can do to make it faster is suicide runs to progress dialog
regal garden
from beowulf
jagged grove
huh
regal garden
i'm not doing those i like my streak
regal garden
at least im low on titan blood rn so its not like im missing out on feeding it blood
gonna do my first 7 heat run
with my rama
excited to try it
and get two ambrosia in the process
hybrid idol
whats a good build for shield
regal garden
which shield
regal garden
there are multiple shield aspects
shut iris
no the which aspect
regal garden
i presume you havent unlocked them
crimson mango
How good is Aspect of Lucifer actually
jagged grove
it's not bad
jagged grove
it's p good if u get the ball rolling cough cough triple bomb cough cough
and flashfire feels really ncie
rare kindle
And the special radiates an aura that pulses damage, which is cool if you decide to put something like doom on it
crimson mango
Is Chiron or Rama better ?
jagged grove
imo chiron is much easier. Rama requires more skill but I'd say they are similar in power level but I don't know @crimson mango
misty turret
unless those are two different questions
jagged grove
I think they are 2 different
misty turret
chiron is easier to play but rama can hit more single-hit damage
jagged grove
yuh^
misty turret
both are really good
rare kindle
I feel like Rama doesn’t require as much skill, because I swear I have a much easier time clearing with Rama
That built in aoe really good
crimson mango
I love the idea of Chiron because it makes full use of the special
jagged grove
...
crimson mango
I havent tried Rama yet
misty turret
rama stronk but the slower draw time can screw you over
rare kindle
I play Rama like quasi melee if I get explosive hammer
jagged grove
Rama doesn’t require as much skill
compared to chiron which is kinda just attack and then spam q idk
sullen valley
Say, does Swift Strike speed up the time it takes to windup the Spin Slash?
daring turtle
with Rama all you have to do is:
Special + dash + shoot, repeat
sullen valley
If Rama isn't the Shotgun of the bow family idk what is
jagged grove
with chiron u have to dashattack+special spam reapeat
jagged grove
If Rama isn't the Shotgun of the bow family idk what is
it's kinda like the fully automatic sniper
crimson mango
What is this Shared Suffering mechanic
abstract flower
For Lucifer, which hammer should I choose?
Triple Bomb
Flash Fire
Greater Inferno
I currently have jolted zeus attack and artemis special
rare kindle
Flash fire or triple are best
jagged grove
never give up triple on luci
rare kindle
So go triple
jagged grove
imo
sullen valley
What is this Shared Suffering mechanic
Hit something with a Special, it'll take extra damage from the Attack
crimson mango
Hit something with a Special, it'll take extra damage from the Attack
Isnt that like Eris
sullen valley
doesn't matter who the Attack actually hits, as long as your Attack deals damage to something, enemies afflicted with Shared Suffering will take a portion of damage
abstract flower
Triple bomb it is
sullen valley
No, Eris increases your damage
daring turtle
I had triple beam on Lucifer once, but it doesn't seem like it triples the damage if you're point blank
crimson mango
Oh.
sullen valley
Rama adds bit of damage you deal onto foes with Shared Suffering
crimson mango
It's a very unique AoE hmm
rare kindle
You can set off triple bombs on purpose if you set down a 4th special
crimson mango
What levels is it usable
misty turret
shared suffering can be inflicted on many enemies at once and works on single target
honestly one of the best debuffs
sullen valley
Could ask the High Heat dudes
rare kindle
And the Rama attack hits like a truck
crimson mango
GY usable ?
misty turret
i did my first 32 heat with it
rare kindle
Even better if you get twin or triple shot
sullen valley
If we're talking or comparing Guan Yu you do NOT wanna ask me
crimson mango
Feels like all the hidden aspects are good except for GY
daring turtle
GY is hard to use at first, but it's pretty fun
Glass cannon + lifesteal
rare kindle
cries in clearing with all hidden aspects except GY at least once
fervent elbow
GY lifesteal makes LC4 free
rare kindle
I still have the GY prophecy done, I just didn’t win
sullen valley
Guan Yu is for people who are good at dodging
wispy mulch
Lol
coarse moss
you will win with Guan Yu if you have either
- quick spin+ massive spin
- charged skewer
crimson mango
Guan Yu is for people who are good at dodging
Not me
sullen valley
Same
rare kindle
The others hit like a truck to make up for any drawbacks
sullen valley
No but srs does Swift Attack speed up the Spear's Spin Slash windup?
rare kindle
And Arthur even gives you more health
crimson mango
My spear build is usually just the fast jabs (no spin) and extra range
wispy mulch
you will win with Guan Yu if you have either
1. quick spin+ massive spin
2. cha...
Charged skewer + breaching skewer + the artemis epic attack and special boons
What a nice dream
misty turret
massive spin + spin goes longer > massive spin + quick spin for GY, dont @ me
rare kindle
Arthur is the easy way to beat Charon in Tartarus
sullen valley
Arthur, Beowulf, and Rama are pretty cool
I've yet to get used to Guan Yu, Gilg, and L
misty turret
Arthur is the easy way to beat Charon in Tartarus
or just hestia and snipe him lmao
sullen valley
Seriously, Arthur feels broken lol
crimson mango
Yes.
daring turtle
Arthur has such high base damage
rare kindle
Arthur was my favorite sword for a while but nowadays I favor Poseidon
wispy mulch
massive spin + spin goes longer > massive spin + quick spin for GY, dont @ me
Do note that the end lag on gy spin is massive
Quick spin is very nice for not getting punished too hard
crimson mango
What does Beowulf do
misty turret
load casts into bull rush
sullen valley
Load your Cast into your Bull Rush
misty turret
they activate at the end of BR
crimson mango
Huh
misty turret
replaces all cast boons with flares
wispy mulch
And deal damage in an area
rare kindle
Why did they give Beowulf a shield? I thought the guy hated weapons
crimson mango
Does the +10% damage taken matter
misty turret
certain duo boons aren't compatible with beowulf
rare kindle
But the shield is very nice looking
coarse moss
Does the +10% damage taken matter
if you always bullrushing you will be blocking most of the time
wispy mulch
Does the +10% damage taken matter
Lets say youd take 40 damage. 10% of that is 4 damage. So 44
If i can marh
Math
Lol
crimson mango
Lets say youd take 40 damage. 10% of that is 4 damage. So 44
Not if I get hit on boiling blood :((
rare kindle
I’ve noticed taking 6 damage from Tartarus traps on Beowulf
wispy mulch
Well fair
sullen valley
I still don't appreciate the damage induction >H>
rare kindle
So it matters but not much imo
wispy mulch
Or just get bronze skin and different league
crimson mango
I am just gonna stick with Chaos
misty turret
after playing with 32 heat honestly 0 heat feels almost boring 
coarse moss
beowulf is safer than arthur imo. always blocking but that is also your biggest burst
wispy mulch
And maybe even positive outlook
crimson mango
I was expecting so much more from Aspect of Chaos ngl
rare kindle
Is there any other build for Arthur other than getting a big +attack damage%?
daring turtle
When I first unlocked aspect of chaos, I thought the extra shields would bounce. I was rather disappointed to find out they didn't
misty turret
you can just stack DR with arthur and tank
sullen valley
Is there any other build for Arthur other than getting a big +attack damage%?
Go big or go home
crimson mango
What boons are great on Arthur
misty turret
bronze skin, positive outlook, greater consecration, weak effects + weak decreases enemy damage more
sullen valley
But good question
crimson mango
I am kinda sad I dont get to use my boi Dionysus for my weps
rare kindle
I had a level 8 heroic Aphrodite attack once on Arthur
misty turret
meme DR build
daring turtle
Demeter is funny with Arthur - get greater consecration and Killing Freeze, and enemies slow down to nothing
misty turret
best arthur build is [nothing] + shattered shackle, Smilers
coarse moss
chill is great on arthur. the special aura slows stack with chill. boss stand still for days while you backstab
sullen valley
What boons are great on Arthur
Aphro, Athena, or Demeter (In order of best to still p aight), Chaos Boons, Artemis Pressure Points, Special or Cast (Just one thing to trigger crits)
Seriously, Aphrodite Attack + Sweet Surrender is p nice to think about
crimson mango
I always like to go Dio or Poseidon for Casts
rare kindle
That also sets you up for her legendary
crimson mango
Is there a need to trigger crits for Arthur builds ?
rare kindle
Which isn’t going to proc that often on Arthur but it’s nice for added defense
abstract flower
Support Fire or Exit Wounds?
sullen valley
Infernal or Stygian Soul?
misty turret
support fire unless you're running like
abstract flower
stygian
misty turret
poseidon or something
sullen valley
And what weapon?
abstract flower
adamant rail lucifer
sullen valley
I wanna say Support Fire
abstract flower
ok
rare kindle
I swear Aphrodite’s legendary is the easiest to get, while Artemis gives you her legendary once in a blue moon
sullen valley
yeek
rare kindle
Yeah, support fire, especially on Lucy
sullen valley
Somehow with like, 2 Chaos Rarity Boons, idk why Athena didn't give me her legendary after getting Brilliant Riposte early on
Almost barely appeared
abstract flower
I still have yet to get Zeus or Demeter's legendaries
rare kindle
I get zeus’s a bunch but then I get Zeus a lot when I get him
sullen valley
Speaking of Hermes, and because I can't find anything on it for the life of me (or I'm too lazy to find it), Swift Strike + Spear's Spin Slash, is that a thing?
misty turret
depends on if you have good boons worth pomming
crimson mango
Speaking of Hermes, and because I can't find anything on it for the life of me (...
Sounds good
sullen valley
This is not a yes or no as to if that works or not.
coarse moss
pom your boons that are your main damage source. only worth it if its like lvl 1 -3
rare kindle
Not good for divine dash either
It deflects either way and it doesn’t do a lot of damage
crimson mango
Who has the highest raw damage boost
crimson mango
This is not a yes or no as to if that works or not.
I see no reason why it shouldn't work
rare kindle
And pomming casts to like level 5 or more is still good because while there’s still diminishing returns, they still hit hard
sullen valley
I assume it would but I want someone here who knows more than I do to answer if it does work or if it doesn't
I've been sat chatting here with Hermes still waiting on me to pick somethin man c'mon
rare kindle
You could try and see if it’s a thing?
sullen valley
Bunk it, sure, why not
crimson mango
I am sorry I never use spin attack in my 40+ runs so far
sullen valley
It feels a little faster, I think
Feels good to have a +34% Chaos Rarity Boon
Triple, Exploding, or Charged? (Spear)
coarse moss
what aspect?
sullen valley
Hades
coarse moss
thats too bad. maybe exploding good too
jagged grove
Does gilgamesh require a lot of investment
jagged grove
Investment how?
Like require it to be maxed, like GY
sullen valley
It just maxes the Maimed damage. If you wanna use Maimed, it'd be nice to give it a bunch of upgrades
Like, at minimum I'd keep it up to Level 3-4
rare kindle
It’s nice to have it maxed but not that necessary imo
Since I don’t even maim that often with Gilgamesh
sullen valley
whHhHh Heroic Hermes Special doesn't mix at all with Charged Throw holy hell why
OH! It's the Magnetism, duh
I have to click Attack or else my +40% Special Speed will practically automatically throw my spear again
coarse moss
gilgamesh with the maim hammer(Maim-afflicted foes take +25% damage and move 30% slower), tidal dash spam. very fun
sullen valley
I am so losing this run.
The Daedalus Hammer took away my favorite Massive Spin and then gave me Breaching
AND I STILL HAVE CHARGED SHOT
jagged grove
Rip
sullen valley
Sees well
Thoughts: Watch that well not have a Death Defiance and that's the last one I'm seeing in Styx
Me: I am prepared for disappointment I am extremely disappointed.
I love the almost perfect 202 obol I'm leaving Styx with.
coarse moss
i believe in you
sullen valley
Bruh I got ran over by Cerberus
drowsy hornet
How?
coarse moss
not enough pets
drowsy hornet
Sounds like a mistake was made
drowsy hornet
I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned, this game is a Cerberus-petting simulator with like a side dungeon mode
sullen valley
Aw no, that last run dealt run-permanent morale damage
And you all know run-permanence can be undone with sleeping
IN REAL LIFE I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW
Okay maybe the morale damage can be countered actually lmao
rare kindle
The way you worded that made me think of darkest dungeon
because of its stress mechanic
sullen valley
I think I dealt like 1200 damage to a Numbskull
slim lynx
Violence!
jade yew
For eris build, do people run posiedan dash or athena dash for high heat
coral cave
you'd probably want athena dash
sullen valley
So I'm using Arthur, Epic Swift Flourish, Common Greatest Reflex, or Rare Auto Reload (probably not that)?
coarse moss
who needs dodge
half crater
epic swift flourish
half crater
arthur’s special is very slow, but you need to use it to drop your aura
sullen valley
It's as fast as the usual Sword Nova, isn't it?
coarse moss
i mixed up reflex with dodge
sullen valley
Hrm...on one hand I can do well enough with just 3 Dashes. On the other, EM4 is p funny
Bunk it, that's also an extra Dash Attack
tame bison
Dash attack is weaker on Arthur than your regular attack sadly
half crater
It's as fast as the usual Sword Nova, isn't it?
it isn’t
sullen valley
Hm. Oof
tame bison
You don’t want to be dash attacking with Arthur
half crater
honestly greatest reflex is always a decent option, just for more i-frames
rare kindle
I think the windup time is a little slower but you can sorta get around it by dashing
half crater
but i personally would go for special speed here
yeah or by making it 40% faster lol
sullen valley
Hoarding Slash or Double Edge?
Double Edge almost worked out very well last time I had Aphrodite and Sweet Surrender
Ah bunk it, Hoarding
rare kindle
hoarding slash only works out ok if you already have a lot of obols
but I've apparently won most of the times i've picked hoarding so huh
4 out of 5
cloud void
Should I feel guilty for getting Sugar Mommy Athena and Aphrodite (oh, and Poseidon) to give me all their damage resistance boons several damn times in a row and getting me ||out thrice in a row||?
coarse moss
no guilt required
rare kindle
you need another poseidon core for sea storm now
dash no longer is a prereq for sea storm
coral cave
i see
coral cave
how'd you get sub 10 for rail but all your other weapons are like 20+ minutes lol
daring turtle
Defiances Denied
rare kindle
One time I ran through all the satyr tunnels and got down to 20 health and one remaining DD
sullen valley
Bruh
rare kindle
I was fishing for more but didnt find any
sullen valley
It also said no to my Aphro/Artemis duo
rare kindle
I actually won that run, only losing like 20 health in the final fight, but it felt closer than it had to be
Ugh, going through more satyr tunnels than you really have to and still not getting what you wanted sucks
echo radish
Man I'm so torn over FF vs PS
sullen valley
HADES AND I USED A DEATH DEFIANCE AT THE SAME TIME BRUH
echo radish
Whenever I go for ps I can't get two statuses before Styx and whenever I go FF I'm dealing three statuses on furies
rare kindle
At least try losing to the third phase
that way you can console yourself that if it was EM3 you would have won
sullen valley
H
echo radish
You'd have won if dad's defiance wasn't hax that healed 100% instead of 50%
Game sux
stone mango
Hestia
Aphro, Artemis or Ares?
stone mango
What does it do again?
frail schooner
best hammers to get are hazard bomb or ricochet/piercing fire
frail schooner
What does it do again?
increased crit dmg
coral cave
What does it do again?
crit damage is +150% against weak foes
stone mango
best hammers to get are hazard bomb or ricochet/piercing fire
Personally I’m a huge fan of ricochet
drowsy stream
next time i wanna try arte cast with hera bow
spiral badge
Ricochet is S-tier for rail. Synergizes with everything rail does well, be it big boy hestia one-shots or lots of zeus-bolted zagreus rounds
drowsy stream
yesss
forest marsh
twilit gate
gotta get meg drunk first LUL
fading garden
Hestia
Aphro, Artemis or Ares?
I found dio is not a bad choice for hestia surprisingly. If you can get bad influence, it's an incredible build
If not, it's still solid
drowsy stream
you dont need to go the romance route
spiral badge
You absolutely need to go the romance route
What organism on planet earth earth with any given pair of genitals would not want to romance Megara the Fury
coarse moss
you mispelled Sisyphus
spiral badge
10/10 would cuddle that disgraced king
honest wing
I got the ares legendary on the third ares boon
jagged grove
niceee
honest wing
dude 4 ares boons in have all the blade rift boons before fury
hunting blades let's go poggers
jagged grove
ooo
honest wing
since I have no need for another ares boon pretty much
jagged grove
may rngesus be on you're side
jagged grove
good luck fellow hell razer
jagged grove
is the demeter ares boon worth it?
you need to invest a lot into her boons, so I would say no
honest wing
yea
jagged grove
they're not terrible
but
there just eh
but they can easily give you another status effect if you need something to proc priveledged status early
jagged grove
ripppp
fading garden
Do you have Athena in your pool already?
slim lynx
breaching cross or concentrated knuckle?
honest wing
dont even have a dash or special
nimble anvil
Excalibur, hoarding slash, artemis 🤢
slim lynx
don't diss arty like that
fading garden
no
Then trying to get a DD is not a good idea. You need at least 1 boon from her before you can get those
slim lynx
do i take breaching cross or concentrated knuckle?
honest wing
hades is getting ripped tho
fading garden
There are other dashes out there
fading garden
hades is getting ripped tho
Can ya spoiler the boss name please
Also, glad it's going well for you!
honest wing
thank you
jagged grove
do i take breaching cross or concentrated knuckle?
breaching cross is just wayy to good
concentrated knukles is not bad
but breaching cross
daring turtle
spoilers are allowed in this channel
jagged grove
just absolutely wreck armour
fading garden
spoilers are allowed in this channel
Oh shoot! I thought we were in #h1-discussion
Ah. Breaching cross is great for room clears
slim lynx
concentrated knuckle is tempting because i can keep chaining hits with dash-strike
but yeah breaching is better
fading garden
I've definitely learned to appreciate the armor hammers more
honest wing
epic twin fists hidden aspect time
daring turtle
I'm tempted to do a dash only run with gilgamesh
jagged grove
I'm tempted to do a dash only run with gilgamesh
get heroic greatest reflexes and get like 8 dashes or smt
daring turtle
ikr
jagged grove
that would be so funni
hades tries to sweep attack u?
naw fam ur out
and back in
imagine that with the hyper spirit herioc
fading garden
Either go splash dash or thunder dash. Both are good damage dealers
jagged grove
just moving at the speed of light
jagged grove
Either go splash dash or thunder dash. Both are good damage dealers
oml that would be nice
just kill hades no attacks only dashes
daring turtle
probably will go splash dash, since there's a lot of extra boons that increase knockback damage
fading garden
Tier 2 boons are a bit hard to show up for Poseidon, especially because he has boons like Ocean's Bounty and Sunken Treasure that like to say hello
jagged grove
Tier 2 boons are a bit hard to show up for Poseidon, especially because he has b...
true dat
fading garden
Rupture shows up almost all the time though
jagged grove
yea
daring turtle
that's what rerolls are for
jagged grove
rupture is nice
it's like a giga easy status effect
that lasts a decent amount of time
fading garden
I can get pretty unlucky when it comes to breaking wave and typhoon's fury :(
honest wing
damn rnjesus is with me today
fading garden
Nice!
slim lynx
if i'm using fists and attack boons, which has better dps? arctic blast or hangover?
robust anchor
i believe for fists either zeus or ares are best for dps. of the options you gave i would go for hangover
coarse moss
I'm curious how many times fist hits in 1 second
robust anchor
i forgot exact number but it’s between 4.5 and 4.75
i remember discussing this exact topic months ago
coarse moss
i see, thanks
robust anchor
yw :)
meager lark
how do i beat hades
vernal coral
Alt f4
dry ember
Git gud
pliant anvil
how do i beat hades
Its practice mostly. You can avoid the 360 degree laser attack by standing inside of hades IIRC though
coarse moss
how do i beat hades
hug the pillars. dash through pillars. respect and cherish your pillars
cunning urchin
Yeah, his 360 beams have a dead zone where you get to live. 
m so very proud of that one.
icy glade
sorry for asking again, but does swift strike (+30% atk spd) affect delta chamber?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
viral star
aspect of arthur is such a well-made weapon aspect. BIG attack chunks, damage reduction, slowing enemies down AND +50 HP as a bonus. a little gift because your epic
icy glade
thanks @cunning urchin
dense crown
probably been asked before but does Sure Footing affect Magma?
static karma
Does anyone have tips for Extreme Measures 4?
Extreme Measure 4 spoilers: I died ||to Hades's third form, and him summoning mini bosses sucked too since one of them was the sneak||
it was my first attempt
Extreme Measures 4 spoilers: ||...there are only 3 phases right?
no fourth one?||
dense crown
does anyone else constantly miss golden urns in the styx chambers from going too fast lmao
proven osprey
Extreme Measures 4 spoilers: ||...there are only 3 phases right?
no fourth one?|...
Yes, thankfully
proven osprey
Does anyone have tips for Extreme Measures 4?
Mostly practice. Kill the adds, bottom right for Cerb, learn the timing to dodge sweep. Don't stay too far from him, his spear throw is really fast
And by dodge I mean you have to iframe them, it's a good habit to have instead of double dashing
slim lynx
using ruthless reflex is riskier but much more rewarding
dense crown
i use my dash to apply curses for privileged status so i straight up prefer greater reflex almost every time
i also like it a lot with ares dash on shield
bull rush > dash attack > drop 2 ares whirlwinds > repeat
slim lynx
blade dash is also nice on fists
dense crown
bull rush keeps them in it so it actually gets high uptime on the damage
even without the vacuum effect
static karma
Mostly practice. Kill the adds, bottom right for Cerb, learn the timing to dodge...
By sweep do you mean the circle spear attack? And how should I i-frame that?
I am used to double dashing
proven osprey
That one yes. It's a matter of timing with your dash so you can keep hitting him
Double dashing kinda works but at some point you'll need to learn that. It's the best way to keep your dps alive
restive vale
I need some defense strat.
I’m great in close combat which eventually murders me in hades or thes fights
I can make good offense builds but it seems like I get stuck in a bad position and a few heavy hits will take me out.
robust anchor
ofc any shield is defensive. i love shields in general. hidden swords aura offers good dmg reduction as well
opaque valve
Hi sorry what’s i-frame
coral cave
Invincibility frame
opaque valve
Oooo ty!
fickle totem
has anyone completed hades with max heat?
hoary slate
has anyone completed hades with max heat?
Current world Record is 60 by Tailesque
hoary slate
62 would be very similar, but you have to roll extra Dashes from Hermes while using Approval Process 2. So yeah..
robust anchor
“has anyone done thing?”
“yes tailesque”
typically how it goes kekw
what a madman honestly
regal garden
ngl to get the beowulf shield would it make sense to just
start a shield run
go into chaos asap
talk to chaos
if its not the wake up phrase or the comment about the shield give up and restart the run
etc
or would that just end up in the same dialogue being repeated because id be giivng up and not dying
jagged grove
Its same dialogue oirc
misty turret
if you have GY unlocked sure ig but i'd rather just do runs and have it show up on its own time
jagged grove
Depends
regal garden
the gods you get before like theyll comment on that
jagged grove
There's 2 waking phrases kinda
regal garden
chaos will
swift patio
I see
jagged grove
The one that mentions the weapon
misty turret
giving up resets the initial seed to the same as it was before you started the run, going off my very limited knowledge of how seeds work
jagged grove
Which requires that weapon equipped
swift patio
Yeah i got that already
regal garden
so would it change the phrase chaos says
?
because
one run i got ares favour with that specific dialogue
but i was going to lose it so i restarted
and talked ot ares first thing and didnt get the favour
??
so i dont think it has the same seedd dialogue
jagged grove
Idk
regal garden
best thing for me to do is probably just try tbh
hoary slate
There's an RNG-Number that advances from many different small things and probably also has an effect on what people say.
regal garden
restart until i notice repeated dialogue and the strategy working or i get the waking phrase/shield comment
hoary slate
Give up doesn't progress the story and you start at the same number
Suiciding Zag is a better call
jagged grove
Then finish each run
coral cave
Well then you gotta win
hoary slate
Then just play on until you get it naturally
regal garden
well i will but i think i'm gonna try the restarting run until i notice repeated or a comment i need
jagged grove
O
coral cave
I gave up on streaks after I lost my 57 win streak
regal garden
because i have all the other hidden aspects unlocked
regal garden
i just want beowulf revealed its annoying
well i'lll try it after uh
in a bit
because i am sick of not having it
jagged grove
O:
sonic crypt
I tried beo, not great at it
jagged grove
Beo with dio build
empty heron
@sonic crypt try loading 3 festive fog into it and watch your numbers climb
jagged grove
Yuh
sonic crypt
I can't help but laugh at the thought of loading 3 trippy casts into beo as you dragon rage a room of numbskulls
jagged grove
Yup
You become a nuke
A living breathing explosive that makes everyone drunk
Basically you become a biological weapon with dio cast on beo
sonic crypt
will try again at some stage
jagged grove
Pog
misty turret
load casts, bull rush, rinse repeat
sonic crypt
don't even bother with attacks inbetween?
misty turret
the damage you can do with like
dio/aphro casts far outweighs just slapping something with the shield
regal garden
pog
first run
i got the shield phrase
!!!!!!!!!
not the waking phrase but the comment on the shield
spiral badge
I like beo actually as a hybrid build with the special sometimes
Charged shield and aphro is a surprisingly effective little oneshotter
regal garden
well
glad thats sorted just need to complete the run
its just a zero heat zagreus shield run should be fine
misty turret
who needs sleep <:feelstiredman:731041591678205973>
you do 
jagged grove
i got the shield phrase
Niceeeee
sonic crypt
leaving tartarus with a lvl 4 trippy shot, we take those
regal garden
guess whos going after charon boss this run
sonic crypt
gl gl
my only complaint about trippy fog is these giant rooms mean I have to just dance around waiting for the fog to vanish so I can get casts back
sonic crypt
just pray for pratrocles 
keen mesa
yes chloe
they cost less
charon is indisputably the most difficult fight in the game correlated to when you encounter him
keen mesa
because if you encounter him super early, you have almost no boons
regal garden
yeah i foguht him in asphodel
regal garden
got 1 kiss
on the way to elysium
gonna run acorn just to be safe
in elysium
i have side hustle as well
so big money comin gin
and i got the next styx back
full dds
jagged grove
Pog
jagged grove
Its like
It used to be an official twitch emote
Its like an expression of excitement or hype
stray apex
Oh kk
keen mesa
yeah, it was removed after the person it depicts came out saying some horrible things
but that's not a discussion for here 😉
limber galleon
God damn, 3 super strong hammer to choose for sword.
300% to armor
2hp life steal (-hp)
or
Dash strike 20%dmg
jagged grove
Dash strike
keen mesa
what sword aspect?
limber galleon
Aite ill get dash strike
jagged grove
Then go get armour
keen mesa
I'm running Arthur and I took armor
limber galleon
Im running nemesis
keen mesa
because you can blow through mini-boss armor in an instant
limber galleon
Aite
jagged grove
If you have Artemis build
With dash strike
Thats just
Amazing
You basically deal 240 percent dash attack damage
jagged grove
Oh yea then definitely
Oh wait nevermind
I forgot dash attack doesn't count as thrust (I think)
Cruel thrust and nemesis is rlly good
rose cloud
Which god should I focus on when using Aspect of Lucifer?
stray apex
Zeus is good with Arthur ? didnt know till now. I usually go with aphro or arty on attack🤔
jagged grove
Zeus is good with Arthur ? didnt know till now. I usually go with aphro or arty ...
No its not good
stray apex
So what do u go for arthur
rose cloud
Zeus on attack. That's basically it.
Thanks!
rose cloud
So what do u go for arthur
Artemis'
stray apex
So i was right?
stray apex
Zeus is best for Poseidon sword and eris rail
sonic crypt
Zeus is best for Poseidon sword and eris rail
and like 90 other things in this game :p
stray apex
nearly lost a dd to king rat
U mean tiny vermin?
regal garden
y es
rose cloud
I am using too much Arthur's and a little dab of Exagryph to an extent idk how to use the other weapons
I haven't encountered the Tiny Vermin
Yet
Hope not
stray apex
Tiny vermin is annoying asf
spiral badge
Commit yourself to the monk hood of always obeying the purple weapon at the start of the run
It teaches you well
Find at least one aspect in each one that you can live with and get through the run
It’s how I taught myself and I can say I honestly dont have a main, I’m pretty proficient with every weapon
keen mesa
oh god, yes, in fact, I think that's one of the ways to keep the game "fresh" as well and not getting burned out
sonic crypt
I do that as best as I can with the exception of spear... I just dislike spear
keen mesa
ALWAYS switch to the purple (the bonus) weapon
stray apex
I dont do well with Fists.
What should i choose for it?
spiral badge
Play Achilles for spear
keen mesa
because it will keep your runs from feeling like you're doing the same thing over and over
spiral badge
Explode faces with 3x dash attack Dionysus
regal garden
well time for hades this run has had like
spiral badge
Get hunting blades and make the entire hades fight last 20 seconds
stray apex
I love Guan yu( btw i maxed it)
spiral badge
The world is yours
regal garden
charon
sonic crypt
I'm starting to dislike shield as well tbh, chaos is too slow and I'm too dumb for beowulf 
spiral badge
Diversify yourself brosef
keen mesa
Zeus shield is where it's at
spiral badge
Abandon chaos rediscover monkeh zag
keen mesa
zeus with zeus special, omg, so good
spiral badge
Also that^^^^
sonic crypt
I did a zeus run, it just seemed lackluster
spiral badge
Gettin swole on Zeus
sonic crypt
didn't feel like I was dealing much damage
spiral badge
No no, get Zeus on Zeus specifically
rose cloud
I dont do well with Fists.
What should i choose for it?
Idk how to use the fists either. Managed to complete one run with it because dad let me pass thru without fighting. Took me 29 mins
sonic crypt
I did.. sec
spiral badge
On special?
keen mesa
the zeus shield aspect hits really fast, if you get zeus on special, and then get double strike, and larger lightning bolts...
stray apex
Idk how to use the fists either. Managed to complete one run with it because dad...
Omg the same happened to me.
spiral badge
Damn I hate to hear that. Zeus on Zeus special is responsible for some of my fastest clears
stray apex
Idk how to use the fists either. Managed to complete one run with it because dad...
Its the free titan blood right ?
spiral badge
How 2 fists: pretend you are Muhammad Ali
Float like butterfly
Sting like bee
Your mobility is your deadliness
Never ever stay still
rose cloud
Its the free titan blood right ?
Yes and he let you out without violence lol
keen mesa
there's only two hammers worth taking with zeus aspect though -- 50 damage on shield return, and 80% increased attack on next two attacks after special hits
stray apex
Yes and he let you out without violence lol
Yesss. And its my only fist clear!!
spiral badge
Lolllll
keen mesa
what's divine protection?
rose cloud
Yesss. And its my only fist clear!!
SAME and the fists is just collecting dust at the corner lol
Haven't used it ever since that lucky clear
stray apex
i barely beat hades
GG
regal garden
i think
my build wasnt very good asgaint it and i had less than ideal health going into it
stray apex
Worst Boss chamber in styx is 1.Giant vermin and Giant satyr and 2.Tiny vermin
regal garden
and i wasnt very careful at the start of vermin fight
that was a no heat run i was not as careful as i should have been wow
frail schooner
there's only two hammers worth taking with zeus aspect though -- 50 damage on sh...
charged shot, minotaur rush, and sufdeen rush
limber galleon
OK damn i just had my most busted run ever
rose cloud
Tfw attempting heatless clear after breaking your heat record and used up 2 defiances on Asphodel
regal garden
i mean i do heatless alot for farming just so its easier
that was way too hard though i think basically i just need to be less bad in styx
and careless
if i had another dd that would have not been as close
i think part of it was the fact i saved up for a titan blood from charons shop with the discount
which i got
limber galleon
king rat nearly lost me that run
I read this and got the tiny vermin LOL
spiral badge
Chiron makes him a lot less scary fwiw
It's still a struggle but you're not constantly in the danger zone
If I had say, chiron demeter I would gamble on him in tartarus
Worst that happens is you lose a run early
But if charon takes all 3 of your DD's and you beat him it's still a victory every time
spiral badge
300 gold and 20% is worth pretty much any price that isn't death
regal garden
because i got the shield comment from chaos finally
and wanted to complete my first run beating charon
but those things meant i probably wouldnt have restarted the run
in conclusion
tiny vermin + charon is harder than 7 heat
sturdy barn
plus you can probably cheese asphodel by going to the midshop if you got the charon fight from tartarus and then gamble on patro for gold KoS
spiral badge
Exactly
spiral badge
You can always replace DDs, especially early
spiral badge
That gold is more than worth it
I get why you wouldn't want to risk the rub though Chloe
regal garden
you know what i think messed me up on the tiny vermin fight
i used mort
and the delay
spiral badge
Vermin is all bark no bite
regal garden
made it so
mort only hit
after vermin went invincible
so it prolonged the fight
sturdy barn
i usually just cheese it with special spam or ranged weapons lol
regal garden
lost unnessecary health
spiral badge
Looks scary but you can flash fry him because he has no interrupts to prolong the fight
regal garden
yeah i didnt really have too many ranged stuff
sturdy barn
how?? just dash the gap in the middle
regal garden
also he kept spawning rats
sturdy barn
tbh thats what i usually do
spiral badge
Yeah that's the trick. Gotta burn him down before the rats can make a difference
regal garden
it was annoying i was never alone
sturdy barn
just dash the gap and kite
regal garden
yeah so never doing a run like that again
frail schooner
tiny vermin has 13000 hp lol
regal garden
yeah this was base shield
regal garden
wasnt focusing too much on the build also