h1-builds-and-combat

[regal garden]

so true oomf

[coral cave]

i destroyed hades in like 50 seconds

btw what do yall recommend for rama

[stone harbor]

Zeus special spam works well

You can attack sometimes if you get something good on that

[coral cave]

ok

would artemis attack be good?

[stone harbor]

Idk prohably? You don't ever need to attack on low heat, no idea if the build is good enough for higher heat

[forest marsh]

Rama Heart Rend with Artemis on attack

[coral cave]

ok

[forest marsh]

Mixed myself up there on the god

But Aphro on attack is also solid

[coral cave]

aight then

thanks

[opal lodge]

rama attack is super good

the best way to play rama is a mix of both

[daring turtle]

Rama's special is so useful - rapidfire arrows that bounce between enemies is perfect for Zeus, Ares, Dio, etc, and then everything dies to your next attack

[rancid vapor]

So, the first aspect I sunk blood into is Chiron, and that helped me get my first clear. Now Im thinking what to unlock next for varietys sake. Any suggestions ? Im real bad at the game so feel free to point me to the stronger aspects

[modern lichen]

Ares Aid + Vicious Cycle is broken

You can get >5000 damage with a greater call

[kindred rapids]

You’ll eventually want to unlock all of them but Shield is probably one of the easier ones because you can block with it.

[regal garden]

achilles

and chaos aspect are fun enough and powerful

[rancid vapor]

thanks for the tips!

I might go with shield

[kindred rapids]

Spear is probably my least favorite weapon overall but I love Achilles Aspect.

[nocturne copper]

achilles aspect opens up a lot of freedom in both movement and combat and has versatility in boon choice not too dissimilar from eris aspect

[sonic crypt]

chiming in 40 mins late and someone also mentioned it, but chaos shield is stuuuuuupidly good for confidence

it got me 1-16 heat without failing once

5 shield activating lightning/doom/knockback/whatever

[regal garden]

i need to get chaos up its only level 3

[jagged grove]

how do I build beowolf

[kindred rapids]

With anything you want, my dude. Thats the glory of beowulf.

[jagged grove]

wait really

goddamn

time to just go with pom and roll with anything

[rose cloud]

What does ambiguity bonus do?

[daring turtle]

it gives a random small bonus each time you get it

I've seen bonus gold, movespeed, and damage resistance from it

[rose cloud]

Is it any of the three or it affects all of it?

[kindred rapids]

At low-mid heat yeah, pretty much. Though generally you want an instant damage cast like Aphro/Pos/Dion etc for that big Dragon Rush. Then you could do your standard Zeus/Ares/Any God Special. Then pretty much any attack except Dion.

Dash is whatever floats your boat. You wont need to dash spam when you can dragon rush.

[jagged grove]

thanks

[jagged grove]

what about ares cast/zeus cast? I think they'd be p good. Also what mirror upgrades do I get

[kindred rapids]

Zeus is ok at low heat cuz its still instant damage but not nearly as satisfying. Ares cast doesnt work too well.

Definitely want max Infernal Soul with Beo

More ammo for dragon rush that you can just pick up right after you use it (for the aoe insta damage casts)

[coral cave]

demeters easily my favourite aspect now

its just so good

you can spam attacks and the special destroys

[fading garden]

@untold vortex quick question. Is weak damage reduction also inverse multiplicative? I am wondering if broken resolve just stacks on that extra amount of weak or if its inverse multiplicative (thus not being as strong).

[untold vortex]

I'm not 100% sure on how exactly weak functions

[fading garden]

So if I had 10% potency from broken resolve, does that mean enemies now have only deal 60% damage or 63% damage?

Now that I think about it, either way is not actually that bad

[fading garden]

No worries. I think since it says "damage reduction," broken resolve is inverse multiplicative.
Thanks anyways!

[untold vortex]

no worries

[fading garden]

How does zeus special work on chaos shield?

[untold vortex]

if you hit multiple targets you'll get multiple bolts, if you hit one, you'll get one because of the single target internal cooldown on zeus special

[fading garden]

Beautiful! That is what I was hoping for!

[opal lodge]

DR should be multiplicative

[whole sapphire]

Fun run to do is to stream the game to a friend who doesn’t know anything about it and let them pick your boons and keepsakes

[jagged grove]

How do u build Achilles spear/rama bow

[fading garden]

What kind of build would be good for zag rail?

[vapid yacht]

Pretty sure you just try to get Attack boons for Rama. I know Artemis has that one dash-strike boon which really increases the damage

[mighty ermine]

re: rama, usual stuff that zag bow also likes, such as hunter dash, deadly strike and heartbreak strike

[jagged grove]

Alr ty

[mighty ermine]

special can provide some pretty decent secondary damage (zeus, dionysus, ares) but isn't going to be your main source

mostly just for applying shared suffering so your attack always does more damage

[mighty ermine]

zag rail, for the most part is unfortunately kind of a worse eris rail once you get good enough at reloading. it does however have an interesting niche with spread fire, since the ammo penalty isn't nearly as severe

so you can run spread fire and deadly strike for some pretty effective and fun results

[cunning urchin]

Broken Resolve is additive. So instead of 30% damage reduction, your Weak effects will reduce damage by 30% + Broken Resolve.

[fading garden]

Yea, the more I play, the more I feel zag rail is one of the most restrictive weapons

[cunning urchin]

Even a common Broken Resolve with no other sources of damage reduction is +24% eHP. It's really good.

Epic is +57%~79%.

That's just what Broken Resolve adds on top of regular Weak.

[frail schooner]

Broken resolve is additive

[cunning urchin]

That's . . . I literally just said that.

[fading garden]

I'm getting mixed info

[frail schooner]

didn’t see your response

[fading garden]

Niko said multiplicative, you two are saying additive...

[cunning urchin]

Niko is wrong.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fading garden]

So how do you know it is additive?

[frail schooner]

It’s easy to test it

Also, broken resolve would be directly inferior to bronze skin if it wasn’t

it’s almost always obvious when something in this game is or isn’t additive

[fading garden]

Are we still in agreement that basic damage reduction is multiplicative though?

[frail schooner]

Yes

But broken resolve isn’t its own DR, it modifies Weak

[cunning urchin]

After how much we had to test things to figure out if this or that was additive or multiplicative during Early Access, I def wouldn't say it's almost always obvious lol.

We've just figured out things at this point.

[frail schooner]

dodge and cluster bombs are the only ones i can immediately think of that are the opposite of what you would expect

[fading garden]

Yeah, it just says weak damage reduction, so I got a bit confused

[frail schooner]

fair fair

#h1-discussion message at least its not like this discussion

[slim lynx]

how far does an enemy have to be for any "distant" damage boosts to take effect?

[untold vortex]

yeah, it turns out we were wrong about dodge
but hey, learning more about the game is always a positive :3

[fading garden]

Good question!

[mighty ermine]

"500 units" from the wiki, whatever that means

from experience, it's unreasonably far considering many enemies approach you either to get in melee range, or to just be close enough to toss a projectile

[obsidian vigil]

Wouldnt thaat be the tip of the spear?

[mighty ermine]

it's far from consistently useful

no

[slim lynx]

ok so never take sniper shot from hammers because it's useless in styx lol

[mighty ermine]

absolutely

sniper shot and distant memory are mostly terrible

[slim lynx]

point-blank would be better for obvious reasons

[half crater]

this is actually correct for distant memory at least, unless it changed

it’s be so long since i’ve taken sniper shot i wouldn’t know how it compares lol

but i agree they’re both terrible

[obsidian vigil]

I have been readinff the chaat dor the past 10 minutes, and i can only see thaat i have been playing the game wrong

[slim lynx]

what are the best gods for chiron besides arty or ares (with dire misfortune ofc)

[mighty ermine]

dire misfortune chiron is kind of a meme

it's not terrible but it's far from optimal

artemis is generally best as you mentioned

[slim lynx]

is poseidon good?

[mighty ermine]

you can also run dio i suppose

poseidon can be decent since his special +% is second highest

[slim lynx]

your arrows can catch up to the enemy pretty well and it's a good get-off-me, plus the extra wall slam damage is always nice

[fading garden]

Yeah, Poseidon special with rupture on chiron is very good.

[half crater]

i tried pos chiron once and it was painful

i think the knockback was preventing all my special arrows from landing?

[fading garden]

I don't think that is how that works...

[half crater]

i only tried it once, and it was a while back so i could be wrong

[cunning urchin]

Third highest, really. But very close behind Deadly Flourish.

[half crater]

but the difference between it and arty seemed huge

[slim lynx]

i like how poseidon is only decent at first but has huge potential

[cunning urchin]

That's because she gets Heart Rend etc.

[half crater]

indeed

[slim lynx]

you can apply rupture, deal lots of wall slam damage, make zeus also strike them with lightning, etc

[half crater]

but there isn’t a pos heart rend

[mighty ermine]

i mean in terms of just base +%

in which case poseidon is ranked second behind aphrodite

[cunning urchin]

It is.

[mighty ermine]

but yeah deadly flourish is just incredibly good anyway

[fair tree]

whats a fun build with arthur?

[half crater]

get artemis attack, pom it, get heart rend, get shadow slash, do this much damage:

https://i.imgur.com/ZFC2hMTh.jpg

[slim lynx]

do bronze skin and different league just have the same effect as in they make you take less damage?

[fair tree]

is the shawl requried @half crater?

[half crater]

i don’t use it, some do

[slim lynx]

8439 damage.... yikes

[forest marsh]

Different league has a distance stipulation, but otherwise yes

[fair tree]

and whats shadow slash

[half crater]

it’s a hammer

isn’t required, but it’s really good if you can get it

[forest marsh]

200% backstab damage hammer

[slim lynx]

so different league makes you take less damage from melee enemies but not ranged enemies?

[forest marsh]

Yes

[half crater]

#2 hammer on arthur, after greater consecration

[slim lynx]

shadow slash can actually be helpful with arthur because of how you can dash behind the enemy while winding up your slash

[half crater]

yeah it’s really good

[fair tree]

how did you get such insane crit damage tho

[slim lynx]

clean kill probably

[fair tree]

double edge dash nova or hoarding slash

went for hoarding slash

[slim lynx]

hoarding slash is good if you have lots of spare cash

[half crater]

you basically just stack as much on attack as you can; shadow slash, pommed deadly strike, heart rend (arty/aphro duo) and chaos boons are the big ones, but things like clean kill, hidebreaker etc. also help

[slim lynx]

dash nova is also okay

[half crater]

8.5k crits are certainly not going to happen every run, but you can definitely get some big numbers semi consistently

[fair tree]

daedelus hammer or chaos

i dont have shadow slash

@half crater @slim lynx

[half crater]

what zone are you in?

[fair tree]

elysium

[half crater]

i'd go hammer prolly

[fair tree]

aight

i already have 2 chaos boons 1 for 80% backstab and one for 50% attack

[half crater]

nice

[slim lynx]

beeg numbers

[fair tree]

no heart rend yet

i got a persuasion die tho so

my normal third slash crits do 1K damage

i havent landed a crit backstab yet

it should do around 4K

lost to hades

didn't get a backstab crit

im sad

so based on that screenshot it seems as though aspect of arthur has the highest single hit damage in the game?

[cunning urchin]

It does.

200 base damage on the third hit in its base attack sequence.

Second is Hestia with 150 base damage.

[dry ember]

Third is Rama at 125?

[opal lodge]

do we count an achilles buffed spin :^)

[fair tree]

including boons what's the highest possible single hit damage in the game?

[dry ember]

No one knows. Though 8k crit is the highest I have seen that has pic.

[fair tree]

in my last run a clean should woulda done 4-5k

[coarse moss]

Rama has shared suffering so, maybe it beats out arthur usually. not to mention crazy hammer upgrades that sword dont get

[opal lodge]

i have an 8.4k non-crit

but that's multiple dio casts

stacking together

[half crater]

dunno if it counts, but ello posted this recently:

https://i.gyazo.com/09b770247f6aa462dca681bc6eac9fb8.png

guillotine trap with 3x stygian shards

technically a single hit, but not done by zag

all i can think is how hilarious it would have been if it had hit a dc heart

[dry ember]

Tis but a scratch.

[rose cloud]

Extreme Measures only works on bosses, right?

[regal garden]

yeah

only affects boss fights

[rose cloud]

So if I increased it at EM1, the Furies will only benefit from it?

[regal garden]

yep

[rose cloud]

Oh. Didnt know abt that. Thank you! I'll crank up my heat runs then.

[pine ether]

I'm having difficulties, can someone tell me a solid build to play?

[half crater]

what weapon?

[eternal wasp]

do well of charon items stack?

[half crater]

absolutely

stygian shards actually stack multiplicatively, for some reason

[eternal wasp]

huh

[half crater]

hence the ludicrous number

the rest of them stack additively like everything else

[slim lynx]

what can be a good "hades" build? like something that goes with aspect of hades + sigil?

[coarse moss]

hades hates olympians so dont take any boons 😆

[slim lynx]

boonless without shattered shackle 😳

[lucid moth]

is charged shot any good for the shield?

[coarse moss]

no downside to it, unless you like bullrush for getting into position (like for beowulf, i want it for grabbing bloodstones)

[lucid moth]

oh ok

thx

[sonic crypt]

I don't really get beowulf tbh, it feels like a worse chaos cause it's still
charge bullrush, let go, deal damage, wait, charge bullrush, rinse and repeat

[coarse moss]

if you get charged shot with minotaur rush it gets insane

[coarse moss]

I'm the opposite 😆 I hate aspect of chaos but beowulf is like one of the strongest of all weapons

[cunning urchin]

Charged Shot has way fewer block frames, so there's definitely a downside to it.

[sonic crypt]

I probably don't understand/appreciate beo yet

will need to do some research

[coarse moss]

oh yeah there's that too

[coarse moss]

you gotta drop that "wait" part. you do dragon rush, then you do bullrush to get stone, and then you do dragon rush again. no wait.

[sonic crypt]

dragon = casted bullrush?

[coarse moss]

yup

try poseidon cast

[sonic crypt]

interesting

pose cast into ares for that pulse thingy?

[half crater]

nah pos cast into arty for mirage shot

[coarse moss]

yeah that

[half crater]

curse of drowning kinda has anti synergy with beo

[sonic crypt]

drowning that's what it's called

maybe i'll give beo another shot tomorrow then

[half crater]

it’s super fun when you get into it

tho i’m biased as a beo main 😛

[slim lynx]

twin, chain or perfect shot? i'm using chiron

[coarse moss]

twin doubles your dmg i'd go with that

well the attack at least

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Twin Shot.

[smoky atlas]

Do different dio sources override each other or do they each take individual stacks when they hit

[cunning urchin]

New stacks overwrite the oldest stacks.

[eternal wasp]

aspect of beowulf tips?

[agile plover]

What's a good weapon for a cast build?

[lilac harbor]

poseidon sword

[sonic crypt]

Achilles spear

[vale imp]

Trippy shot into Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine

Melts everything

Also you don’t have to load all your casts into the same bullrush

Space em out, one Trippy shot is enough to kill most things

Also Charged Shot hammer is your friend

[topaz marsh]

Does anyone know about damage?

its build

[fading garden]

Can you clarify

[topaz marsh]

like what

[grizzled oyster]

Damage can mean everything.

[daring turtle]

asking about damage is probably the most ambiguous question you could ask

[topaz marsh]

ow ok

[grizzled oyster]

Rephrasing the question could help.

[topaz marsh]

ok

[sullen valley]

And also adding what the question is referring to (I.e. urge to kill, chaos, Bouldy)

[topaz marsh]

hades damage build

[grizzled oyster]

The spear aspect?

[sullen valley]

Uh

[fading garden]

Hades spear with lightning is quite fun

[topaz marsh]

ok thank

I try

[grizzled oyster]

I like artemis or aphrodite on attack.

[fading garden]

Doom is also an option. Or you can just go for standard damage like Artemis or Aphrodite

[grizzled oyster]

Deadalus hammer quicker spin charge is really helpful.

[sullen valley]

Anyone else find it weird that, despite having the third best Attack boon % compared to other gods, Poseidon has the second best Special boon %?

[fading garden]

Quick spin makes that spear so much better

[topaz marsh]

zeus and poseidon it might be nice i think

[sullen valley]

Say, how would you guys use the Ranged Shield Bull Rush?

[agile plover]

I can say I am not a fan of Exagryph

[fading garden]

The last 3 exagryph weapons are solid. The first one is sadly quite restrictive

Not nearly as fun as other zag aspects

[sullen valley]

Aw. When you’re able to, try Hestia’s Aspect.

[zealous lance]

i think exa is the strongest wep

[fading garden]

Hestia or Eris. Both are amazing

[zealous lance]

tgt with chiron bow

[sullen valley]

Bolt Action Sniper

Can’t really get too into Eris really.

[agile plover]

I strongly dislike the zag aspect, but overall the playstyle of the weapon feels bad to me

[sullen valley]

Or L

[zealous lance]

zag sucks

compared to the rest

pentarocket is super insane on eris

[fading garden]

I believe rail was my first win.

[zealous lance]

strongest build possibly

and lucifer is fun af

unlimited ammo go brrrrrrrrr

[fading garden]

If you're lucky

[zealous lance]

legit turns into a firefighter hose with poseidon

[fading garden]

Lucy's aspect is interesting because it doesn't automatically reload

[agile plover]

My first win was spear

[sullen valley]

Hm, how would you go about using L opposed to the other rail aspects?

My first win was shield

[zealous lance]

i think luci is fun

but not as strong as eris

[fading garden]

Poseidon on attack before anything else

[agile plover]

My 2nd win was spear, and the rest are on fist

[sullen valley]

Hum. Third most damaging god?

[fading garden]

Super soaker is a fun build

[zealous lance]

not much experience on hestia

but probably yes third

[fading garden]

It's not about the damage, it's about the knock back

[sullen valley]

Hm...maybe.

[zealous lance]

oh u mean god

[sullen valley]

Treat Hestia as a bolt action

[zealous lance]

you need to abuse wall slam with poseidon

[slim lynx]

which gods are best for arthur?

[sullen valley]

Aphrodite for that hot damage reduction

oh and most damaging god

[slim lynx]

hallowed ground + weak

[sullen valley]

Oh heck no not for special

Aphro on Attack

[slim lynx]

arty is also nice because crits + big base damage = very big damage

[sullen valley]

A combination of Artemis’s Crit Boosters and Aphro’s high damage makes Arthur the Isekai Truck of good fortune

[fading garden]

I did an ultimate damage reduction build with arthur. As long as I was in the aura, I only took 22% of the normal damage

[sullen valley]

I managed to get Bronze Skin, Different League, and something else to apply Weak to the final boss

Took, like, 17 damage every time I got slapped.

Projectiles dealt 30 tho

[hot crane]

Which builds wants 3 casts and which want the Regen cast? Sword of Poseidon def seems like you want all three, unsure about other builds

[slim lynx]

problem is i can't have both aphro and arty on attack

i'll just go with aphro lol

[regal garden]

do you think level 2 zeus shield should be good enough on hl 1

like no other added heat outside of td 1

never played with hl

[hot crane]

Yes

[regal garden]

ok

ive also never played with zeus shield

[sullen valley]

Yeah idk why you’re even allowed to use Poseidon Aspect Special ability with Stygian

[regal garden]

but i need to do hl for the prophecy and i might as well do it with shield

[sullen valley]

Just try to get Pressure Points, Cast, and Hunter’s Mark

[fading garden]

Why not?

[hot crane]

It's super fun and I think it's strong, it's definitely a different style though, try feeling out the disc movement in the early Tartarus levels

[sullen valley]

Poseidon Special removes lodged Casts from opponents.

It basically nullifies one of Stygian’s +s over Infernal

[regal garden]

yeah ill try it out

and be careful

i just want 23 titan blood to work on my weapons tbh

[fading garden]

Oh, so you are just saying it is not great with stygian soul. I agree

[sullen valley]

Being addicted to Stygian and using Poseidon has taught me to stay away from the Q key when using Sword.

[hot crane]

What does Q do?

[slim lynx]

crush or true shot?

[slim lynx]

aspect of poseidon 👀

[sullen valley]

True to try and trigger Crits I mean

Ughhhhhh

As much as I love Poseidon I also love having more consistent damage and not worrying about getting casts

Also more total lodges

Aspect of Poseidon and Hera: I’ll just take that, ahyuck

[hot crane]

How are you supposed to build around Arthur? I know it's considered strong but it feels so sluggish

[leaden bay]

What weapon is good to go all Poseidon with? (the boons) And is there like a list of which boons are a higher priority than others? (i.e., Wall Slam vs Rupture or w/e)

[slim lynx]

rail is really good

[leaden bay]

Huh, shoot into wall? Which aspect?

[slim lynx]

you can get tempest strike and just get all of the extra boons to make it as strong as possible, like the zeus duo

from my experience zag is the best one but you can experiment with the others, i haven't tried lucifer

[wide light]

Someone explain to me what makes Guan Yu good, because unless I'm missing something, it's just not.

[vale imp]

It hits harder than all the other spears

And can heal you

That’s basically it

[wide light]

Oh, it can heal you?

[vale imp]

Yep

On the spin attack

[wide light]

How?

Ah

[leaden bay]

I found it to be quite terrible, but perhaps the spin attack can somehow be used in a manner that isn't awkward.

[vale imp]

General build is to get Charged Skewer and focus on the Special

Since it has a wide AOE and hits like a truck

[agile plover]

People say that Guan Yu takes the most adjusting to before it becomes really good

[wide light]

Seems like demeter on attack might help the spin attack issue

[vale imp]

Caveat on the healing: it heals 1hp per hit so it’s not a lot of healing unless you can hit a group

[wide light]

Wait, nvm, I guess I have quick spin too.

[vale imp]

Generally not advisable to use GY unless it’s fully upgraded btw

[slim lynx]

quick spin is great for guan yu

[wide light]

I was curious about my first hidden, for goodness sake.

[slim lynx]

hidden rail and hidden sword are great

actually rail is pretty ok at best but i consider it to be mostly better than the others

[jagged grove]

Hidden sheild is also p fun

[frozen bolt]

I only have the hidden spear so far

It's... ok?

[keen wharf]

how do you get the aspect of rama? i believe i have spent 5 titan blood on the bow but i haven't unlocked the final aspect yet

[frozen bolt]

The special is good

[sterile root]

hey guys any builds on aspect of chaos other than Doom build?

[cloud vault]

Thunder or hangover special can be good

[mighty ermine]

make sure you talk to artemis while using the bow to make her comment on coronacht

then eventually she will give you the waking phrase

[sterile root]

@cloud vault thunder and hangover i see thanks

[cloud vault]

I guess sea storm special would be really good but seems underwhelming before the duo

[agile plover]

I think I'm beginning to get the formula for runs though.

Basically you use god keepsakes for Tartarus and Asphodel

[sterile root]

which duo

@cloud vault which duo

[pliant anvil]

pretty much yeah. IMO, in Elysium switch to acorn or charon's keepsake(charon's for a cast build)

[lavish trench]

Question about ||aspects||, im kinda overwhelmed by them since theres 2 per weapon (that ive unlocked so far), and am unsure of which ones to invest ||titan blood|| into, would it be a good idea to unlock each of them at lv1 just to start and try things out?

[cloud vault]

Sea storm, Zeus and Pos

[sterile root]

ok ty

[leaden bay]

What's considered the best fists aspect for going fast?

[sterile root]

@cloud vault hey u there?

[sullen valley]

Dash Attack

Also, Backstabs

[craggy rapids]

What build for the shield is able to defeat EM4 Hades? I've had great difficulty achieving any meaningful results against even T&A, let alone Hades

[sterile root]

@cloud vault if i take zeus special on shield of chaos then what should i take for posiden?

[craggy rapids]

I've tried Merciful End, unfortunately I still wasn't doing enough damage

[sullen valley]

Just any EM4 Hades?

[hoary slate]

Demeter

[craggy rapids]

Well, about 15 Heat with various modifiers affecting standard encounters. I was previously using FO2 but that is basically impossible so I've stopped

[coarse nexus]

I'm 100% biased because I really like Crystal Clarity, but what's the appeal with Ice Wine? I finally got it and like it's good but I don't get all the hype

[sullen valley]

Oh, hm. FO2 is definitely difficult, but, honestly,

your very best is usually required, basically. If your build can consistently deal more than 500 damage, all you need to do is just dodge good.

[craggy rapids]

Should I be trying to get high percentage boons on my Attack and Special, or rely on Doom Special and Athena everything else?

Even with Aphrodite, my attacks never seem to do enough damage.

[coarse nexus]

What weapon are you using normally?

[craggy rapids]

I've tried Chaos and Beowulf, Level 5

[sullen valley]

It's part damage and part evasion. You can't just facetank EM4 unless you have like 100% chance to dodge

Deal a bunch of damage, and be wary of where and when you're getting attacked.

Just like the final boss normally, you're supposed to take all that you've learned from previous experience in a full culmination of your best skill.

[craggy rapids]

That damage part is the problem. I don't know where this damage is supposed to come from.

I've beaten EM4 plenty of times with other weapons, it's just the Shield I don't get

[hoary slate]

With Beowulf and some Castdamage/extra Cast from Chaos and maybe even some Duos on the Cast you should have enough damage to absolutely demolish him.

[craggy rapids]

Sytigian or Infernal Soul? And Aphrodite or Poseidon cast?

[hoary slate]

Infernal for these, Stygian for Dionysus.

[sullen valley]

Fair enough. Hm...a build based around Poseidon/Zeus Duo could also work. Even if your Attack or Special isn't Poseidon, they will both trigger the Duo's Lightning, since they both deal independent knockback. Plus, their Jolted and Ruptured can deal a bunch of over-time damage, especially if you put another god or two on Attack and/or Special. Would Recommend Chaos for this method.

[hoary slate]

@craggy rapids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BilqJk5uHAw&ab_channel=TylerKing could check this 50 Heat run from someone in the discord out. It has Em4 and very heavy damage.

[sullen valley]

oo

[pliant anvil]

I don't think anyone answered, but demeter is best for going fast

[sterile root]

i dont understand

[pliant anvil]

Demeter's special helps deal with bigger enemies that the attack cannot deal with quickly

[leaden bay]

Oh yeah, cheers. 🙂

[sterile root]

@hoary slate i dont understand when is he using his cast?

[hoary slate]

It's Beowulf.

[pliant anvil]

Its the aspects gimmick

The cast is an explosion around them after a charge attack

[leaden bay]

Beowulf puts the cast in hte bull rush

[sterile root]

oh

thanks for info

didnt knew 😛

[pliant anvil]

Np

[pliant anvil]

IIRC ice wine removes the travel time (I think) and is one of the few ways to scale casts. A 50% increase on a dio cast is HUGE (unless you're using like, achilles, where its noticeable but not as important)

Oh, and it adds frost to festive fog which is a nice bonus

[regal garden]

what do th eupgrades for demeter aspect do

i cant tell

[agile plover]

What god would you recommend for the aspect of hades spear?

[mighty ermine]

artemis for deadly strike

punishing sweep's +150% bonus hugely helps to shore up deadly strike's low +% and you get crits

serrated point is very good on hades spear

you can also go for deadly flourish and exploding launcher, but the special is kind of bad until or unless you do get exploding launcher

so it's generally better to go attack first because that can still work without hammers

[mighty ermine]

increases the amount of extra uppercuts after charging a special

[agile plover]

Demeter fists are lovely

I have 5 clears on her fists alone

[craggy rapids]

Yeah, I just crushed EM4 Hades with Gilgamesh, didn't die at all during the run. Shields just can't compete man

[agile plover]

That's how I feel with Aspect of Demeter atm

Spear overall feels bad

[regal garden]

@taliesque

wdym

does it do multiple uppercuts at once?

[cunning urchin]

Your charged Uppercut will get more extra hits.

Applies to both regular Uppercuts and Dash-Uppers.

[fading garden]

cough beowulf cough

[bitter finch]

For some reason every time I run chiron I end up having to pick between concentrated and relentless volley for one of my hammers lol... Is there ever a case where concentrated is better?

I feel like relentless (+4 arrows) is always going to be more damage..

[fading garden]

It does 3 extra damage for each hit right?

[mighty ermine]

yes, in terms of the weapon's base special damage

so of course it's more than just an increase of 3 per with boons and chaos blessings etc.

[fading garden]

What is the base damage of the special?

[mighty ermine]

10

[fading garden]

So if we are just considering base damage (and max chiron), the +4 bullets would net out to 120 damage.
If you chose relentless volley, it would be 80+3(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8) which is 188 damage.

Concentrated volley wins by a long shot

If the first hit doesn't do extra damage, then it deals 164 damage, which is still better than +4 bullets.

[fading garden]

Hope this answers your question. Concentrated volley does more damage.

The only time I can see relentless volley being better is if you have doom+dire misfortune for your special.

I can also see relentless volley being better for poseidon special if you have rupture. Since more arrows will yeet the enemies further with knockback

Man, people really dislike when I put math into the equation :p

[daring turtle]

relentless would also be better Zeus, right?

[fading garden]

No, since there is a 0.2 second cooldown on lightning bolts

Concentrated volley would be better since you get more base damage in.

If the cooldown wasn't there, then relentless volley would be an easy pick

[agile plover]

After you defeat Charon, do you return to the same room, or do you advance forward?

I forget 🤔

[rare kindle]

Advance forward

Never back to a shop

[forest marsh]

You also don't get a choice, it just dumps you into a room

Unlike Chaos

[agile plover]

Alright. Well now I know I'll only take it if the rooms ahead of shop are bad

[forest marsh]

It's still worthwhile for the reward if you're feeling strong enough to clear it, though

[agile plover]

I was low on DD, and Patroclus was ahead, so I had to bypass it this time xD

[forest marsh]

Fair

[agile plover]

Aphrodite's call certainly is not good

[lean knot]

disagree

[regal garden]

just did a zeus shield run

its only level 3 but i had drunken flourish with it it was so good

[agile plover]

At least I don't prefer it to Ares/Poseidon/Athena's call

[regal garden]

i like aphrodites call

mainly for its potential against hades / theseus as a greater call

like what i do with it i get it

then build it up on those bosses and drop it for a big hit

[forest marsh]

It's also nice for the simple fact that it can interrupt boss attacks

[regal garden]

its not my favourite but

[dry ember]

Under the right conditions, Aphrodite call can 2 shot Asterius

[regal garden]

it works for what it is as a big greater call

i usually drop it on theseus after he goes below half

[agile plover]

I prefer it least against Hades

I like having invulnerability call when fighting him

[regal garden]

yeah i usually get it around second phase

so its a nice start to that the aphrodite one

[jagged grove]

what are yalls opinions on ares call?

I like it quite a bit

[regal garden]

anyone got any tips for hera against em3

[jagged grove]

but idk might just be me being funkay

[regal garden]

i like it but not always

like ill take it and its a nice invincible

[jagged grove]

yea not always

[lean knot]

usually sucks, but very nasty if you build around it

[jagged grove]

but like sometimes

[regal garden]

but i prefer poseidons tbh

yeah if you build blades properly around it

its gonna be nasty

[lean knot]

oh call

[forest marsh]

Not a fan of Ares call, personally. I would rather be able to use regular attacks during a call than be stuck in the blade rift

[lean knot]

its better than nothing

[regal garden]

any tips for hera though

yeah its an invincibility one so its nice

[agile plover]

Ares call does good enough dps if you use it on top of enemies

[regal garden]

i prefer the other balde abilities though i think

[agile plover]

Poseidon's my favorite overall though for sure

[lean knot]

Hera Aphro cast + Artemis = Heart Rend

[regal garden]

yeah poseidons is always solid

oooh

that sounds fun

aphro artemis build sounds good thanks

[agile plover]

I just got reamed vs hades. Sad af

[regal garden]

gonna try and beat em3 for the first time

basically

[forest marsh]

Oh, good luck Chloe!

[regal garden]

my hera is only level 2 but hopefully its not too hard

not rn though probbaly tomorrow though

[agile plover]

I played recklessly because I had 3 DD and a full 200 hp by the time I got to him

[forest marsh]

Hera isn't that important to have leveled compared to other aspects

[regal garden]

got it

its not like uh

zeus shield

because that thing gives big dps upgrades per level

also yeah that always sucks charlievl yeah :(

[forest marsh]

Hera level also doesn't matter at all if you run Stygian

[regal garden]

ah

oh

should i run it then?

[forest marsh]

That's up to you

[regal garden]

i usually play with infernal soul

ok

[forest marsh]

Stygian can be good for Hera but does better with at least one or two extra casts so you're either buying them or looking for Artemis/Chaos

[regal garden]

yeah

i'm running cosmic egg

at the start

so maybe if i try and get a cast

upgrade

[forest marsh]

Stygian is a bit nicer with Hera for bosses, too, because you aren't waiting for drops. Versus regular enemies Infernal might have a bit of an edge because they usually die in one shot anyway so you can pick up the bloodstones right away

[regal garden]

yeah

that sounds annoying waiting for the

casts to drop

[frail schooner]

lv1 hera is better for stygian

[pale kayak]

I've been doing a few runs with the Beowulf Shield.

Artemis Cast+Power Shot (Hammer Upgrade) Does a hell of a lot of damage.

[vivid comet]

In my last run I been using zeus boons.

[rare kindle]

It turns out zeus dash can become powerful with a few of his tier 2 boons and his legendary

I only grabbed his dash to enable lightning phalanx

[crimson mango]

What is Jolted, anyways

[regal garden]

when you hit something

with lightning

[rare kindle]

it's zeus's status effect--when enemies try to attack, they take damage

[regal garden]

the next time they attack

they take dmage

or if you have the demter du

o

it can stay on after that instead of being removed instantly

[crimson mango]

Yeah I have gotten Zeus and Demeter Duo before

Is Zeus boons really good tho

[regal garden]

with the right weapons

and builds

like rail

and fists

rail and fists have worked best with zeus in my experience

[rare kindle]

Zeus really wants more zeus

[regal garden]

yeah if you go zeus you gotta go heavy into it

[jagged grove]

Yup

[jaunty wave]

generally speaking, what's best from Eurydice?

[cunning urchin]

Generally speaking, it depends.

[jaunty wave]

damn lol

thought so

[forest marsh]

Good Riddance is what's best from Eurydice

[cunning urchin]

I would say whenever m undecided, I take Refreshing Nectar.

It guarantees at minimum Rare for three boons of your choice, which at the point when you get it often includes at least one boon from Lord Hermes, and also better chance for Epic rarity, Duo Boons, and Legendary Boons.

[rare kindle]

I generally go nectar but ambrosia for 4 or less boons sometimes

[mighty ermine]

they're all solid options, in all honesty

some better than others on certain runs

[rare kindle]

I think I take the poms the least

[regal garden]

i take poms alot

if i need boons upgrading

[fair tree]

can someone send that picture of a person doing an 8K crit with the aspect of arthur?

[fickle totem]

do the bonuses not stack? i had a 60% and 70% gold bonus from poseidon and chaos, but i didn't get 2,72 times the normal amount of gold

[forest marsh]

They should stack

[fickle totem]

also how about the damage reduction bonuses? i have many small ones from different gods or bouldy

they definitely did not stack i am 100% sure

[forest marsh]

60 and 70 would be +130%

[fickle totem]

isn't it 160%*170%?

[forest marsh]

It's all additive

[fickle totem]

i see

same with damage reduction?

and thanks

[forest marsh]

I believe DR is multiplicative (so can't get >100% effective)

[bitter finch]

Thanks for doing the math haha. I honestly don't know what the base damage on anything is and hadnt bothered checking since I'm not really going for heats above 24 yet

[regal garden]

just cleared em3 for the first time

[frozen bolt]

Nice, well done! I'm still on 1-2

Or 0 for the bloody spear

I suck with the spear

[coral cave]

Em3 is such a difficulty spike from the normal one imo

[frozen bolt]

Oh, sorry, I misread, I thought you meant heat 3

[coral cave]

I can beat the normal one with my eyes closed but Em3 makes me lose a DD almost everytime

[frozen bolt]

Point about sucking with the spear still stands though

[regal garden]

yeah i lost a dd to theseus once hed lost the chariot

[frozen bolt]

Stupid Varatha

[regal garden]

it was the athena ground thing

[coral cave]

Asterius is so much harder I hate it

[frozen bolt]

Stupid charge attack baiting me into unsafe things

[coral cave]

He does so much more damage

[regal garden]

i saw the beyblade

i can see how its annoying

i fought him beforehand by himself

helped chip him down for the fight and learn the patterns of em3 asterius

[coral cave]

The ground slam thing with the shock wave is the most annoying part to me

Because on normal difficulty I can just dodge and kick the life out of him

On Em3 I can't do that which is infiuriating

[regal garden]

ill post the build in victory for it

[frozen bolt]

I'm getting good at regular Champions

[regal garden]

it was kind of funny though seeing theseus riding around in a chariot with a gatling gun

even if it was infruriating

hades was much easier than the champions

tbh

[coral cave]

Em4 hades is a fun one ill tell you that

[frozen bolt]

I keep EM1 on because vanilla furies are kind of boring

[coral cave]

Spikes the difficulty up quite a bit

[frozen bolt]

Even though Alecto still gives me a bit of trouble

[regal garden]

i still struggle with alecto tbh

so i try not to keep on em1 all the time

i have other ones im more used to

[frozen bolt]

She's definitely the hardest

[regal garden]

notlike losing dds

[coral cave]

The sawblades are annoying

[regal garden]

but taking damage

yeah the blades

[frozen bolt]

Tis without EM is free

[regal garden]

least i beat em3 first try

was worried i would lose to them or lose too many dds for hades

[frozen bolt]

Tis with EM is getting stuck in a shoebox with a runaway angle grinder

[regal garden]

anywya if you look in victory you can see

the uh

hera build i used

the chaos boon really helped

[coral cave]

Looks pretty op

[regal garden]

i was doing 1k+ damage per full cast shot

[frozen bolt]

Haven't tried Hera yet

[regal garden]

i also had exit wounds

so like when they were losing the casts

takes 300 damage

helped alot with asterius

[frozen bolt]

My first sword clear was with exit wounds and aspect of broseidon

[regal garden]

i would not want to do em3 with fo rn though

that sounds fun

[frozen bolt]

I don't even remember what other boons I had

[regal garden]

that beyblade must be so danagerous on fo

[jagged grove]

Yea

[regal garden]

you can check in the

admin room

[jagged grove]

It is

He spins giga fast

[regal garden]

i feel like ive reached a milestone

[jagged grove]

Well like

[regal garden]

ive beat em3

[jagged grove]

Moves fast

Pog

[regal garden]

i'm gonna lead next run with the conch as well

so i can fulfill the poseidon prophecy and get 3 ambrosia

[coral cave]

I've done Em3 with fo before

Hoo boy that one was something

[regal garden]

the idea for ravenous will to be clear

wa slike

once ive shot all my casts

i do more damage without them

and then i get them back and load it up again

[eternal wasp]

whats your guys favorite aspects/boons/companions?

[regal garden]

uh

i like hades aspect alot even if my previous run was a bit ago

arthur aspect also fun

i mean i like alot

[jagged grove]

yuh arthur is actually suprisingly fun

demeter and gilgamesh are p good

[regal garden]

yeah

did two runs with it to finish some prophecies

[frozen bolt]

Fave aspect so far is Zeus

It really changes the way you play

[regal garden]

yeah

drunken flourish zeus shield was so fun

[jagged grove]

zeus is rlly fun

a lot of people argue between zeus sheild and chaos sheild though lmao

[frozen bolt]

I like those. Less keen on the ones like Aspect of Hestia which feel like they should be a hammer upgrade instead

[trail topaz]

I’m using gilgamesh, poseidon special, and the hammer upgrade that heals me when I kill with special. It seems like it rarely heals me though. I’m assuming the maim DoT doesn’t count as killing with my special but even with standing uppercuts I don’t often get healed. Am I missing something?

[frozen bolt]

Damage from slamming enemies into walls also might not be counting

[copper crest]

Whats a good attack boon for rails other than zeus?

I pretty much always use zeus, want to change it up a bit

[regal garden]

drunken maybe?

not on like eris but on zagreus

you can easily apply hangover

heartbreak also for the pure damage

[trail topaz]

I think that’s what it is @frozen bolt

[spiral badge]

I mean, there’s always the trinity of aphro/dem/arty for attack damage

Dem is nice on rail for CC, keeping slowed enemies controlled so your bombs hit better

Arty can get chooooonky with zag rail + shotgun hammer

Dio is good but I feel like the rail is overkill for him. He just fits into the rail sort of awkwardly imo. He’s certainly not a miss if you take his attack boon, lots of directions to go in there, but the rail is almost too high ROF for drunken strike to be “optimal” unless you’re trying to back it up with the Aphrodite duo

[jagged grove]

there's always

zeus rail

although that get's stale very quickly

it's a thing u can do if u really just wanna beat heat

[spiral badge]

I think he was looking for things that weren’t Zeus

But yeah Zeus is the s-tier rail attack hands down

[rare walrus]

If you want to meme you can go super soaker

[spiral badge]

I just had a hilarious zag rail run with Zeus attack+Arty Rocket bomb+Pressure Points/Support fire/Hunters mark and I shattered my PB by 2:30

Super soaker + Sea storm is hilarious

[copper crest]

Hmm thanks for the response guys

Might try the dem+bombs with eris

[spiral badge]

Not a bad idea at all

try zag aspect and fish for arty attack+Athena dash+shotgun hammer and their duo. Turns you into a cracked-out malphon with backstab crits to the mooooooooooon

And with zag aspect the shotty hammer is very serviceable. 12 rounds is generally enough to make sure whatever you’re aiming at will hit the floor and you’ll have room to reload

[copper crest]

holy

that sounds bonkers lol

[regal garden]

i love the shotgun hammer

used it once was a really fun run

[copper crest]

my Zag rails is at lv 1 though, probably gonna level it up a bit before trying that

[regal garden]

yeah it's a great aspect

if nothing else for the pure spam of your main

last rail run i did iirc was a zagreus delta chamber zeus build

my next run is gonna be a 5 heat eris one though final weapon to beat 5 heat on

[copper crest]

delta chamber is awesome

[regal garden]

yeah

kinda makes zagreus aspect bonuses redundant but

its so powerful it probably makes up foe it

[copper crest]

Hestia cant roll delta chamber right?

it'll throw the bonus out of the window as well if it can lol

[dry ember]

It sure can.

Also even with Delta you can still manually reload.

Basically Delta does nothing for Hestia except wasting a hammer slot.

[rotund quarry]

can anyone give me just

braindead noob build

[jagged grove]

chiron bow

with artemis special

fire arrow

press q

dodge

[rotund quarry]

dont have it unlocked lmao

[jagged grove]

maybe cast

rinse and repeat

o:

[rotund quarry]

pain

[jagged grove]

well

then ur probably better off just playing the game and enjoying the ride

[rotund quarry]

i think i just

athena dash

doom build?

or

[jagged grove]

you can do whatever

[rotund quarry]

ah

[jagged grove]

until you reach like endgame

with the ||heat system||

[rotund quarry]

i wanna beat the game once

not just fail

and have fun

i have fun by pooping on bosses

:D

[jagged grove]

welp

then that's gonna take practice

[rotund quarry]

ya i will i just want one build i can stick to

to practice with

[jagged grove]

oops

sorry dyno

[rotund quarry]

lol

[jagged grove]

u can build whatever

since the game is p balacned

if u can just get mechanics down

imo

[dry ember]

Triple Bomb Deadly Flourish on any kind of Rail

[jagged grove]

or that

[dry ember]

Take it slow to dodge and spam special

[rotund quarry]

any boons i should be hitting or?

like artemis flourish for special crit?

ah wait

u just said

ty

[rotund quarry]

which aid should i use

[dry ember]

doesn't really matter imo, though Athena can help

You can get Lightning Strike to help out early game

[rotund quarry]

ok

[dry ember]

Then move on to Deadly Flourish and hope you find Triple Bomb

Lightning Rod and Heart Rend can help.

It's a bit janky but for first clear it helps a lot.

[rotund quarry]

i got triple and deadly flourish my first two pickups lol

[dry ember]

oh lol

then Lightning Strike, Divine/Aphrodite Dash, and Athena Call ideally.

[rotund quarry]

heart rend is aphro?

[dry ember]

yeah

[rotund quarry]

kk

ty

[dry ember]

take Acorn for later stages to make sure you pass bossfights.

[copper crest]

shield+doom is pretty braindead build for me 🤔

[rotund quarry]

acorn keepsake?

@dry ember

[dry ember]

yeah Evergreen Acorn

if you have it

[rotund quarry]

ok

[regal garden]

acorn is great

[zinc merlin]

Yeah acorn is really good

[regal garden]

its as good as the lucky tooth against hades

or better

probably

due to how it works

as long as you avoid damage from the minions

[rotund quarry]

at asphodel should i switch to acorn

or elysium

[regal garden]

elysium

unless you really need it

i don't think it's needed for the hydra

[rotund quarry]

nah not gonna need it for hydra

[regal garden]

it does help with theseus and asterius though i think

[rotund quarry]

just need to pray to god i hit athena dash

[regal garden]

i might tryit against them next em3

[rotund quarry]

i dont think they are that hard of a boss tbh

they just have a lot of health

so it takes a while

well the minotaur does

[hidden hornet]

Theseus is a chump without ol Asterius getting up in our grill

[regal garden]

yeah

[trail topaz]

I enjoy pom blossom quite a bit, but it doesn’t seem like anyone really uses it

[zinc robin]

i have a lore question for you guys

so all the nameless faceless shades we see

do they have names and faces and stuff, but we just don't see them because it's not important

[regal garden]

the pom blossom is good

[zinc robin]

or do they all actually have that same general anonymous robed figure look

[vale imp]

yes

[regal garden]

i use it sometimes in elysium and/or styx

[vale imp]

because they're all people

[rotund quarry]

ok i made it to styx

with triple bomb

[zinc robin]

i assumed so, but i wanted to confirm with someone

[rotund quarry]

here we go

[regal garden]

gl

[zinc robin]

you can do it!

[trail topaz]

followup to yoissy’s question: how come some spirits look like a giant hand

[vale imp]

oh cos those aren't people

they're literally the severed hands of thieves

from the lore

why are they giant and seemingly sentient? i dunno

the underworld is weird af

[rotund quarry]

i couldnt get deadly flourish

have to use aphrodites flourish lol

pain

[coral cave]

pom blossom probably my fav keepsake

i use it all the time unless im doing a build

[trail topaz]

nice, I feel less bad about using it so much then haha

[past raven]

How many chambers is the max level for pom blossom

I have yet to use it because 1 level per 6 chambers doesn't seem very good

[regal garden]

4

[past raven]

That's pretty good

[regal garden]

depending on how many tunnels it takes

you can get a good number of boosts in styx

[past raven]

Yeah

[rotund quarry]

i died

[spiral badge]

@rotund quarry the ultimate W+M1 brainless noob build is zag shield my bro

5 measly blood buys you a fully upgraded one-button face masher that is compatible with every build under the sun

Big fat A button for 90% of your work with a cumulonimbus sized dash strike hitbox

[rotund quarry]

zag aspect?

[spiral badge]

Very versatile and rewarding B button for doing remote damage, invoking curses, and activating Priveledged status

Yes

The first shield aspect

[rotund quarry]

what boons and keepsake

and hammer upgrades

[spiral badge]

ares is excellent for W+M1 builds on special

Lots of directions to go there

[rotund quarry]

oh so basically

doom build

[spiral badge]

Only need to touch enemies once with your shield throw to reward yourself with 100+damage

One part

There’s still a whole A button to consider

But that’s the beauty of shield, it doesn’t necessarily have a specialty. Especially zag shield you can build literally anything around it

for hammers I like dash strike, shield return explosion, anything armor shredding and shield throw speed

Generally you want to be mashing your face on the A button while occasionally throwing your shield out to apply a curse

You want something long lasting or high damaging on the shield throw. Doom or aphro

Athena also has a long curse duration if you get in a Jam. The special damage is really just gravy in this equation, its true purpose is to activate the +40% bonus of Priveledged Status

For your big fat A button

So, for your big fat A button damn near anything works. Out of the gate Athena is tied for 2nd highest attack %, your huge dash strike hitbox makes it a great reflector, and for a noob build especially, Merciful End is G A M E B R E A K I N G

Other great candidates are Aphrodite for the highest % buff in the game (works good with doom too), Dio for drunk strike (works good with doom too), Zeus for bolt fun (works with ares but not necessarily with doom. Zeus works with everyone though), and a specific callout to Poseidon for sea storm being great with shield

Also another hammer that’s really useful for anything that stacks, but particularly Poseidon is the double-attack one that negates the shield’s inherent knock back

Poseidon+raw shield is actually a little much

But with two strikes of only Poseidon knock back it works out great, makes up for his lackluster damage, and gives you a chance to constantly be getting two sea storm bolts for the price of one

So there you go, all that and the first 1/3’d of the late game can be yours for the low low price of 5 blood

You don’t ever want the dread flight hammer because that makes your shield take longer to get back to you and that’s no bueno

I have never ever cared about the bullrush hammers or indeed the bullrush itself and never ever will, so take that as you will

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what about the ranged projectile bullrush

it works really well with chaos

gives you essentially ranged spam

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Any possible meta builds with weak/ hangover for the spear?

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hm

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I’m on a Dio run right now with my fav spear hammer, which is the 3 dash attacks for a 25% shorter dash

1 Hermès boon later and that’s not a problem anymore

And the hammer blends really nicely with Achilles spear and ares

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ooh i like thst one

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I will be completely upfront and honest and say chaos is the one shield aspect I’ve never really figured out so I don’t even use the ranged projectile bullrush, which is the best one as I understand it

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last one i needed for the prophecy

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Mmhmmm I hunt that one religiously if I’m on a spear run

Your dash strike becomes a 150% attack, and kissy fingers if you have any good stacking curses on your attack

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artemis dash with it

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Correct

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😳

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That Is actually what I’m running right now

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wow

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P. Busted, not going to lie

Sorry, not Artemis, I misread, Athena

But yes Artemis there would be nuts too

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ah

classic divine dash

can't go wrong

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Rolled ares+Athena in Tartarus and spent 4 whole rolls trying to find one Athena attack boon to set up for ME. No I’m not salty why do you ask

But I ended up here with Dio so not too many complaints

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:(

ah you doing

forgot the exact name for ares dio duo

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It appears that way

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i feel like

drunken strike would be amazing with serrated point

apply hangover easily

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(It is)

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ooh cool

i had hangover with zeus shield special earlier

it was very good

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Mmmm very nice

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i didn't have thw ares dio duo wirh it but

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Not all due boons are good

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it tore through enemies

that's the

artemis / dio right

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Yes

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Oof I just ran the math and yeah, 7.5% is trash

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That's at max hangover, too

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what about id you had ub the

aphrodite dionysus duo

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I could see Aphro+Dio+Arty+Nemesis getting nutty but maaaan that’s reaching to make a duo boon worth it

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Hello

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That’s approaching 62% crit chance if I have my math right

Though I’m not sure how the base nemesis crits and arty crits interact

But again, maaaaaaan that’s exactly one specific build where that duo is worth something

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And a lot of RNG.

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A lot a lot a lot

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Speaking of, I got what was basically a speed runner's wet dream today. Athena + artemis duo plus athena + ares duo

With like 10 other boons

Still couldn't beat hades ofc

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When Hades Just Stays Home

Wait, what weapon were you using/heat??

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No heat, and uhhh

Chaos shield

Still managed to screw it up.

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Oh dear, sorry to hear that

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As you can tell, I am incredible at this game.

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I’ve never been able to make chaos shield feel right for me. Others swear by it but I don’t understand them

What other weapons have you cleared with?

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I had breaching charge and fast charge

I've never cleared

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I see

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It was like this for me with theseus and asterius, too. They'd basically just delete me every time, until they suddenly didn't.

Now I get to hades in 95% of my runs

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What other aspects do you have unlocked? Does chaos feel right for you?

Good man

It’s all practice

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Uhh

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hades

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Guan yu, chiron, hades

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takes time dw

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A few others

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Oooooooo

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Trying to get the blood for hidden bow

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Chiron is a really, really good aspect for some of your earlier clears

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I think I may have gone through elysium with everything except sword at this point, actually.

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Like, when-did-this-become-easymode good

But it needs to be fully upgraded

It’s a must

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chiron can shrewd

shred bosses

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I’ll go by weapon

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Frick. I had a question, but I forgot.

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For early clears nemesis sword is just regular sword + damage. It’s zag sword but everything goes faster basically

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yeah i prefer nemesis to regular