Now if you really want to min max you'd have Aphro attack and crit with Marked or Pressure points
#h1-builds-and-combat
mild raft
fair tree
im saying max for hera bow
proven osprey
does not work unfortunately
mild raft
What do you mean does not work
proven osprey
The hoarding bonus will not crit
mild raft
Wait what
I mean that makes sense from a balance standpoint
but like
Why
That makes it so much less fun
vale imp
wait what
opal lodge
highest single hit damage is probably rama with lots of chaos dash strike boons
vale imp
isn't it added to your attack?
pallid kernel
guys any builds on Achilles spear?
vale imp
meaning it would crit
mild raft
I just thought Hoarding Slash was a funny haha I didn't know it was garbage
vale imp
hoarding slash isn't a separate instance of damage so if your attack crits, the bonus would apply to the crit
proven osprey
It is garbage unfortunately
It only "scales" with a better attack speed
so flurry slash
mild raft
😔
proven osprey
hoarding slash isn't a separate instance of damage so if your attack crits, the ...
well it kinda is idk how it works tho
well I mean
vale imp
nvm did a lil more reesearch
proven osprey
It's like boiling blood you see
vale imp
u right apparently
proven osprey
Sure am lol
proven osprey
Everyone thought about that combo
and Haelian would have a 4k crit on yt if it worked right
vale imp
i guess it would outscale everything if it works the way i thought it did
mild raft
You're giving up shop
mild raft
If you get the hammer late oh well
vale imp
oh yeah for sure
mild raft
It's just a meme build but it's not even meme enough
proven osprey
^
opal lodge
its a hammer you take because the other two are dash nova and cursed slash
vale imp
gods i hate dash nova
narrow ravine
any recs for a bow build/aspect to do a first clear? its the only weapon i havent cleared with lol
vale imp
which aspect have you unlocked for it?
narrow ravine
i can unlock all 4, though none leveled up past lvl 1 (except first)
keen mesa
mostly because my character keeps trying to fire even when there is no ammo
vale imp
Hera is probably the most ok one at level one since Cast builds are always nice
I recommend going for Trippy Shot into the Dio-Zeus Duo boon, Scintillating Feast
still ridge
Hers would be my pick too. Cast builds are fun.
narrow ravine
for the blob dmg?
vale imp
Yeah yeah
Also the Aphro Shot is good as well on Hera
Infernal or Stygian Soul is up to you, there are benefits to both
Stygian will technically give you your Casts back more quickly but is reliant on getting more Cast stones from Chaos
whereas Infernal gives you big burst upfront
opal lodge
is theres a non boss still alive after you blast 3 crush shots into it your build isnt quite right
vale imp
ok the shield turned around at the last minute it's not my fault ok
potent idol
Shield, Charged Shot, and Glacial Glare is doing me wonders this run omg
Demeter might be my new fave
slim tree
She is infrequent for a reason I'm sure
vale imp
really? i think she's on the same rate as the other Olympians
dense crown
yeah shes not any different
slim tree
I don't get her very often. Maybe my luck is different
dense crown
thats not how luck works
vale imp
thats probably true
slim tree
My luck
dense crown
thats not how luck works <_>
throw on her keepsake and pick one or two from her and then youll get a load of her
dense crown
if u dont pick her then you wont see her in subsequent chambers
i just did a run and i basically only got 3 god choices cuz i was using demeter keepsake
slim tree
I usually just lead with coin purse and then swap to acorn
vale imp
maybe the universe is getting my vibe of not liking him very much
slim tree
Easier to buy the blood/diamond at the end
vale imp
could go for Poseidon to get the bonus to gold pickups
it's usually my go to for farming runs
fair tree
i just got a random legendary boon????
vale imp
which one?
slim tree
You could, but the boon isn't a guarantee
fair tree
i have the adamant arrowhead
instead i got poseidon with a free legendary boon
dense crown
purse is the only way to guarantee a good money start
vale imp
oh was it the fishing one?
fair tree
yeahj
dense crown
but tbh if ur on low heat its not hard to just ignore all the shops and let your money pile up
daring turtle
Just trying out Hera bow for the first time and wow it's powerful
eager whale
oh yea its great
vale imp
love all the Cast weapons except Talos
oak smelt
About the Shield: ||How am I supposed to use Aspect of Beowulf? I’m having a really hard time with it, it feels super slow and clunky for me||
daring turtle
when I was watching the AGDQ stream, they were loading spells into the shield partway through their dragon rushes (bull rush for that shield), leading to faster charges (don't have that small animation of smashing the shield on the ground before rushing)
and they would just rush + load spell, attack, then rush + load spell, etc
opal lodge
if you preload it you get a biggor rush
oak smelt
So most of the damage really does come from Dragon Rushing?
dry ember
I mean that's the whole gimmick of beowulf
oak smelt
Does it scale with Attack or Cast bonuses?
daring turtle
it was hard to tell from how fast they were going but it seemed like it
dry ember
Does it scale with Attack or Cast bonuses?
Both?
oak smelt
Oh I meant the rush damage itself, not the explosion at the end
oak smelt
But most of the damage will come from your cast.
Aaa ok, so to get the most out of Beowulf I should really be rushing and focusing on casts?
Rushing really isn’t my strong on shield, I always forget to do it, gonna take a while to get it
woven delta
It's kind of a cast aspect, really
opal lodge
the casts are the majority of your burst but you need a nice meaty attack too
arty is usually the way
cloud vault
Special can do a bit of work too with dashing flight
keen mesa
this actually works rofl
those laser dudes in Styx that deal 2 damage to you with fast attack
every time they hit you for 2 damage, they're taking 100 damage...
coral cave
you dont have a lot of health tho lol
fading garden
So question about chain lightning, does it only bounce to an enemy only once?
Or can the effect essentially hop around two enemies until the number of bounces is used up?
placid tundra
I believe chain lightning only bounces once without upgrades
fading garden
What upgrades would make it bounce to other enemies?
fading garden
I think there is a misunderstanding. Can the chained lighting bounce back and forth on two enemies?
Assume I had 4 bounces
fading garden
I'd like to test it out, but it's hard to tell
real kernel
I never knew that Divine Flourish turned Hellfire into walls of Deflect
It's actually quite nifty
daring turtle
combine that with the triple laser for maximum area of deflect
opal lodge
@unkempt pagoda do you have luci vods
real kernel
You mean Triple Bomb?
unkempt pagoda
no, sorry
daring turtle
no there's a hammer that shoots 3 lasers
opal lodge
F
daring turtle
oh I thought it was talking about the laser deflecting, my bad
chilly crystal
Suggestions on videos to watch to learn more about the builds used in speedruns?
dry ember
Speedrun Discord has you covered. The invite is pinned in #self-promotion. People there are really friendly and more than happy to help!
chilly crystal
Ah sweet. Ill mosey on over there
turbid needle
Me early game: Man, bow sucks...
Me after unlocking Aspect of Hera: Haha, Cast Artemis go brrr
fading garden
I need help understanding stormed lightning. I feel like the effect of bouncing to more enemies isn't all that powerful.
Can someone prove me wrong?
real kernel
I need help understanding stormed lightning. I feel like the effect of bouncing ...
It clears rooms fast
And consider the other Zeus boons
fading garden
So why does it clear rooms faster than say a basic zeus attack on hidden rail
coral cave
The chain lightning bounces to more than one enemy
If theres 5 enemies, one bullet will hit all of em
Without the boon it'll only hit 2
fading garden
Hmmm, okay. Now what would you recommend for a build like this to effectively deal with bosses?
The legendary is an obvious answer, but what else?
balmy portal
it's never going to be a super strong boss killer
compared to something that really focuses on single target damage
coral cave
Yeah chain lightning is mostly for CC
fading garden
CC?
coral cave
Crowd control
fading garden
Oh, of course. That makes sense
What would you say is a good secondary part of the build to deal with bosses efficiently?
kindred rapids
If you get Zeus’ Dash Boon and his other Dash Boon combined with Double Strike, Static Discharge (Jolted), your dash can become incredibly powerful. Add Zeus’ legendary to that and/or a duo or two, even better.
sonic crypt
so I'm up to heat 16 on shield, but idk if I'm being dumb about my choices or not (back when I had like 8 heat someone was saying I had weird picks, thoughts on this?
https://i.imgur.com/1bC0GOi.jpg
dry ember
not bad
though I think Approval Process is a bit unnecessary.
Underworld Customs is a good alternative.
sonic crypt
just make sure I have some dummy boons to throw?
dry ember
yeah. look at your end game build
gusty rapids
its much easier than approval process
dry ember
chances are you have 2 or 3 that you don't really need
sonic crypt
aight i'll give that a shot, brb in 30 with hopefully a new skelly statue - at least I assume it'll be skelly, man's a memelord 
dry ember
:D
sonic crypt
also I love the underworld customs icon, something about that shade expression 
I forgot to swap to zeus keepsake and still got him,we take those
sullen valley
You know, if people would have to fight Zagreus as an actual boss character (Not the final boss ||Hades||), like step-for-step Zagreus, he would be extremely annoying to handle, huh?
Lowest HP of all the bosses, but constantly dashing, consistent 25+ damage, and constant hitstun.
fading garden
so I'm up to heat 16 on shield, but idk if I'm being dumb about my choices or no...
You can get rid of most of the top ones and approval process by going for benefits package.
Benefits Package 2 is a total of 5 heat
sonic crypt
idk something about armoured elysium enemies having bonuses sounds really spooky to me
fading garden
You can handle it. Honestly, once you have it on, never take it off. I haven't played without it for a long time now
It's just a part of Hades now.
sonic crypt
that's how I feel about deadline
fading garden
Exactly! So put on benefits package
Save the agony of the unfun downsides for later
You'll almost certainly die the first time, but such is life. :P
sonic crypt
aye that's the beauty of this game
one way or another i'll die
gonna just keep running this heat 16 attempt regardless and try BP later
fading garden
If you get Zeus’ Dash Boon and his other Dash Boon combined with Double Strike, ...
Apart from double strike, I basically had this exact build. It wasn't as amazing as I'd like it to. I died to the tiny rat
First time that has ever happened
kindred rapids
Ah double strike makes it so much better. Even better with the legendaries/duos but beggars cant be choosers and all that.
I just love Dash builds
chilly notch
yeah dash build just feels so great
had a 5 dash build at some point
felt invincible
kindred rapids
A lot of times when I run hidden fist, I default to a dash build
fading garden
Well, it was the lighting attack on hidden rail. It was an epic attack and I got stormed lighting to +10.
Even with the dash boon and the legendary, it wasn't going to well :/
kindred rapids
Ah yeah. Thats a bit different. His support boons dont really help chain lightning except for jolted and the bounce increase but still not super amazing. Zeus Attack is one of my least favorites if not least favorite.
Its fun at low levels though
fading garden
I had a run with fists that handled it very well.
The main problem with putting it on Lucifer is that is often your main source of damage. Even though it clears rooms well, it takes some time to kill bosses
kindred rapids
Zeus’ Special Boon on Luci combined with triple bomb is great damage though you sacrifice the dot on it because the lightning bolt blows up the hellfire right away.
fading garden
I also had that near the end of the run before I died
But the damage seemed very mediocre.
In short, even though Zeus was crazy generous, the run just wasn't that great
fading garden
Yea, I think my downfall was the reload on Lucifer. Zeus attack lets you go in b*lls deep, but ya got to be careful when reloading. That's where I think things went wrong
Also, tiny rat with a bunch of things covering your view (lightning and zeus legendary) is super painful.
chilly notch
tbh I think you can beat the game fairly easy with limited boons once you understand the enemies enough
I was doing fated run list and farming blood titans on my last run
had a weird combo and made it work
depends always if you play with heat or not though
fading garden
I'm currently playing at around 12-15 heat every run right now
chilly notch
yeah but EM4 gives you 10 heat immediately
fading garden
Yeah... not touching EM4
chilly notch
👀
sonic crypt
how hard is EM3 out of curiosity?
cause lernie is annoying but not hard
I find the furies harder than that lol
chilly notch
depends on you really
I defeated EM3 and EM4 on my first go
it's not that much harder
gusty rapids
personally i find EM3 relatively difficult, especially how it changes up asterius
chilly notch
I'll be honest
coral cave
Asterius is alot more difficult
sonic crypt
what's the difference with em3
gusty rapids
play it and find out lul
coral cave
Theseus isn't that bad
chilly notch
Theseus runs around a chariot and Asterius is 360 swinging
sonic crypt
nah croven i'm about to finish heat 16 then i'm off to learn some other weapons 
chilly notch
other than that
meh
it's not hard per se
if you are calm you should recognize pattern
chilly notch
yeah, I'm having trouble with speed running related heats
dry ember
You can say EM3 EM4 are easy all you want.
dry ember
Until your timer is ticking 30s against 100% damage boosted cow that is 40% faster, yeah
chilly notch
I can do EM4 but I did that and only that
and I died when adding enemy speed and movement speed
gusty rapids
i think i beat em3 first try but em4 took me a couple
i cant tell anymore if em3 is difficult because i always only do it in conjunction with HL5 and FO2
chilly notch
||I was expecting more from EM4, I'll be honest ||
gusty rapids
which like. yeah it'll be hard if theyre double damage 40% faster LOL
dry ember
Same. Though I refused to turn off FO2 because I'm stupid.
chilly notch
defeating EM4 on my first try made me go like "huh"
it's not hard >.>
just different timing
dry ember
yeah, fair
chilly notch
and I was expecting a ||3rd hp bar ||
dry ember
but like I said, the fight gets tougher when you add on other heat, especially HS for EM4
chilly notch
maybe it's just my expectation of ramping up from playing rogue lite
yeah it's hard
and it's fun tbh
dry ember
and I was expecting a ||3rd hp bar ||
But there is one?
chilly notch
well yeah but first time going in I was expecting that
chilly notch
I'm not the best with words, all good ^ ^
chilly notch
english is my 2nd language so I assume I'm not that good at it
sonic crypt
It's fine, English is my first language and I still suck at it 
fading garden
defeating EM4 on my first try made me go like "huh"
That to me just sounds like you are pretty good at the game. I've played EM4 3 times and lost to all 3
The mini bosses are painful
chilly notch
I'm above average player I would say
but not "top tiier" either
finished Hades first time on 12th try
consistently cleared at 19th
had a 20 streak
I'm nowhere near Vorime level
I'm about 50% there though IMO
fading garden
Nice
I mainly just like to play builds that seem fun. I'm not too competitive, but I tend to win most of the time.
slim lynx
what's a good build for beowulf?
chilly notch
tbh once you learn enemy pattern it's pretty easy and you need like 10+ heat to be challenging
or specific heated challenge
gusty rapids
what's a good build for beowulf?
beowulf focuses on cast, and the casts that work well in particular are dionysus, aphrodite, and poseidon
fading garden
what's a good build for beowulf?
Flood flare is the one used in speedrunning
chilly notch
or artemis
gusty rapids
arty cast isnt great with beowulf honestly
chilly notch
xD
fading garden
He got unlucky
gusty rapids
that was such a cursed run
fading garden
At least he crushed it with Hera bow
slim lynx
is flood flare only good for bosses specifically because then wouldn't it be difficult to get all 3 hits in?
dry ember
But also Mirage Shot
gusty rapids
flood flare actually doesnt knock back enemies until the LAST cast
so it works fantastic
chilly notch
great run for whoever asked about beowulf build
slim lynx
oo mirage shot could be good
dry ember
He went Arty likely to chase Mirage still
gusty rapids
yeah one of the benefits of flood flare is that it is an easy segue to mirage
chilly notch
it was bad
I'm still trying to figure out name for boons but yeah that seems OP af
double cast from poseidon
gusty rapids
yeah one benefit of poseidon is that its very consistent, as opposed to dionysus cast which requries a lot of work
and has fantastic tier 2 boons (wave pounding in particular, razor shoals is good too, breaking wave works), as opposed to aphrodite
chilly notch
legit speaking though: is poseidon good in normal run or mostly for speed runs?
I never been a fan of my 2nd uncle
sonic crypt
Im yet to try a cast run.. should get around to that
gusty rapids
i mean wdym normal run
sonic crypt
I like to use chaos sheild with zeus & pose, looking for seastorm
chilly notch
I usually go for ares, zeus, dyo and demeter
sonic crypt
Since it activates on shield attacks
fading garden
Im yet to try a cast run.. should get around to that
Achilles spear all day!
gusty rapids
i mean poseidon is good on certain builds
the game is balanced enough to where theres no 'bad' god
sterile root
can anyone tell what are best boon for dash strike build with aspect of nemisis?
sonic crypt
Achilles spear all day!
Spam casts and then special special?
sterile root
what special what attack boons
chilly notch
yeah I ran fated list and unlockable and still managed to clear the game
dry ember
Spam casts and then special special?
Do you mean the reverse of that?
chilly notch
granted I was on Heat 4 at most
fading garden
Spam casts and then special special?
Opposite order. The bull rush increases your cast damage
gusty rapids
can anyone tell what are best boon for dash strike build with aspect of nemisis?
artemis attack, aphrodite special, go for heart rend, arty dash is great too
sonic crypt
Do you mean the reverse of that?
Its a question cause I dont play spear at all
dry ember
can anyone tell what are best boon for dash strike build with aspect of nemisis?
Deadly Strike Hunter Dash but most importantly DOUBLE EDGE.
sonic crypt
Opposite order. The bull rush increases your cast damage
👍
sterile root
what is heart rend?
fading garden
Achilles Spear is stupid strong
dry ember
what is heart rend?
Duo between Artemis and Aphrodite. Crit does more damage to weak enemies
sonic crypt
Maybe ill put blood into it next.. its the only weapon I dont have a maxed aspect
chilly notch
I'm more of a spear guy
sterile root
oh i see what does artimis crit on attack helps with dash strike?
dry ember
So Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Hunter Dash, and Double Edge.
fading garden
Maybe ill put blood into it next.. its the only weapon I dont have a maxed aspec...
Highly encouraged. Max achilles has 150% post-rush damage
That is insane for casts
dry ember
oh i see what does artimis crit on attack helps with dash strike?
Yeah. Dash Strike is an attack still.
Square and rectangle, yknow
sterile root
when i took life on hit 2per hit it didnt effect with my dash strike so i am confused thats y i asked you @dry ember
slim lynx
dying lament or heartbreak strike? i'm using beowulf with flood flare
dry ember
Yeah hammers are weird. But good observation!
slim lynx
i also have charge shot
dry ember
Do you have arte boons?
slim lynx
no
slim lynx
actually i could take strike so i might get sweet nectar
merry ivy
which attack boon should i seek if i want to go with a lucifer build?
slim lynx
which would be really good because i'm using pom blossom
sterile root
@dry ember so artimis attack crit chance works with dash strike yea?
@gusty rapids thanks buddy for the help
dry ember
<@!162305901892599809> so artimis attack crit chance works with dash strike yea?
It does yes.
sterile root
@dry ember thanks for the details buddy ❤️
coral cave
which attack boon should i seek if i want to go with a lucifer build?
Probably something like athena or zeus
sterile root
1 more question please , what is the easy way to upper the Heat? what punishment should i focus?
merry ivy
thanks
dry ember
Really hard to tell because it's so diverse. Though I think there are some heat that are not the easiest but can really help in the long term when you eventually want to climb higher. Those are EM, BP, FO, UC, and TD.
Basically future proof and get used to the heat with the highest number, if this makes sense.
But if you just really want to get one or two heat done, CF and TD1 are relatively "free."
sterile root
@dry ember yeah it does make sense and yea again thanks for help.
dry ember
np!
chilly notch
zeus and athena is really good for me (on attack)
or ares and dyo too
but I'm just a sucker for those 4
stray apex
Special?
chilly notch
I mean, that's my 4 togo regardless where
stray apex
Oh k
slim lynx
caustic grasp or excruciating shot? i already have 4 casts
sonic crypt
That is insane for casts
So what gods/builds would I be looking for?
obsidian surge
I want a fun build that doesn't need acpects
dry ember
Kinda need hammer for this one
But Lightning Strike Flurry Slash
Bonus point if you get Hoarding Slash also.
obsidian surge
With what weapon
dry ember
Any sword that is not Arthur
Alternatively Spreadfire Deadly Strike Hunter Dash is also fun on Rail.
slim lynx
flurry slash + cursed slash is already really good
dry ember
But again, need hammer
slim lynx
cursed slash + flurry slash + swift strike + heartbreak strike + life affirmation + nourished soul is an unbelievably broken build
leaden bay
Opinions on Hazard Bomb? I grabbed it while I had Aspect of Eris on (the fates must be appeased) lol, but it doesn't seem too terrible on top of yourself but it seems to stun you a bit? But the damage is not super high towards yourself?
viral star
its not too bad but on eris i would only do it with stubborn defiance
cunning urchin
You can i-frame the bomb with empty dash and still get the buff.
leaden bay
Yeah I've had that happen a few times.
The biggest issue I see with it is the bomb seems to land slower, or am I imagining things?
coral cave
why can i never get merciful end when i need it man
doing a fists build with ares attack and athena dash
i just need merciful end to wreck everything and they not giving it to me
sonic crypt
doing a fists build with ares attack and athena dash
that's why
you need athena flourish or attack
sonic crypt
coral cave
i hate mysel
sonic crypt
but thanks for the idea tbh 
that sounds like a top tier meme
can't imagine doom on fists is that good though
until you get the stacking boon
sonic crypt
gonna give it a shot now for curiosity sake
actually weird thought, "ability that can deflect"
that means you could run merciful end with athena attack and mass activate merciful end? @coral cave
coral cave
yeah thats what im thinking
athena attack + doom special with demeter fists
would be brutal i assume
sonic crypt
yeah ima try that lol
coral cave
tell me how it goes
sonic crypt
and try out benefits package on the side cause apparently I should
coral cave
benefits package is pretty fun
sonic crypt
@coral cave it doesn't workkkkkkkk 
sonic crypt
I have merciful end with athena attack, which "can deflect", but I don't immediately activate doom effects
nor do I have any bonus damage lol
sonic crypt
i'm highkey sad tbh
sonic crypt
yup,even when I deflect things it doesn't do anything
damn it, so close to greatness
coral cave
mr supergiant can you make this work pretty please thank you
pliant anvil
athena attack + doom special with demeter fists
The current best ME build Afaik is athena special and dash doom attack
Allows faster spam of doom procs
sonic crypt
The current best ME build Afaik is athena special and dash doom attack
the theory was that if athena's attack deflects (which it does), it should allow merciful end to proc, but it doesn't 
also what's ME?
oh right, merciful end
duh
pliant anvil
Are you sure you're applying doom, and that you have ME? Because if you do, that sounds like a somewhat serious bug you should report
sonic crypt
I actually can't remember if I ever applied doom now that I think of it, I use demeter fists special as a finisher not an opening
pliant anvil
Yeah you need to apply doom first
Then you trigger it with a deflect attack/dash/etc
I am an ape
pliant anvil
sounds good in theory but in practice doesnt work
TL;DR it does work, just make sure to apply doom first
pliant anvil
Also keep in mind ME consumes the doom proc to deal damage instantly, so you have to reapply it after every trigger
Which is why doom on attack is better
cloud vault
The current best ME build Afaik is athena special and dash doom attack
Hidden fist and Zeus shield are the best ME vehicles
On Zeus you put it on special and just dash or attack repeatedly
turbid needle
whats the best boon for the rail eris special with cluster bombs
cloud vault
Depends on build
turbid needle
i've seen most people couple eris with zeus' Lightining Strike and Thunder Flourish
cloud vault
Aphrodite and Artemis are good for fire and forget, Poseidon can be used for sea storm
turbid needle
for sea storm I believe as phoenix said
yea i thought of doing thunder flourish
but for strike i have hangover
if you're not too far yet, you can look to switch your strike for lightning strike later on and maybe go for tempest flourish, so you'll enable sea storm
but i've only played once or twice with eris, so I don't know too much about transitioning to alternative builds if you end up stuck with other boons
ill sell my boon then
sounds fine to me
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike and Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish for Eris.
And Tidal Dash.
rose cloud
Any tips when using Arthur aspect?
rose cloud
Seems kinda slow but can damage a ton
Oh, artemis boons got it
Tried dash then attack and the attack sequence wont reset
I can reposition Zag with this. Noice
turbid needle
stubborn defiance or death defiance for 1-10 heat
death defiance
stubborn defiance becomes more relevant as you start to deal with lasting consequences in high heat runs
since it doesn't let you heal, the 30% hp recovery from sd makes it worth taking
but you'll probably not die that often for regular encounters in low heat and having 2+ defiances for boss encounters, specially for the final boss, certainly beats stubborn defiance
arthur crits are insane i just did 1600 damage with one with the basic arthur
sterile root
hey guys buff from Patroclus 60% damage for 10 encounters works for Special attacks or any other attacks other than basic attack?
echo radish
Think it says attack so it benefits only attack and dash attack
viral star
zag sword is becoming my second fav aspect i think
It's a blank slate so you just slap your plume on, adapt to whatever god you get, grab rush delivery and just. Have a fun time
fair wraith
I’ve heard about guides for the Meg companion timing, but I couldn’t find anything. Doesn’t anyone know where they might be?
primal siren
It's a blank slate so you just slap your plume on, adapt to whatever god you get...
imo the weakest aspect. It doesn't deliver anything in terms of strength. The bonus it gives for investing titans blood in it is not worth it at all. Aspect of arthur is way better, it's a lot stronger, has way more utility. Sure it doesn't have attack speed but the special is really good and really rewarding if you invest in it. Unlocking it is not hard either, just takes a few runs after unlocking the first hidden aspect.
viral star
Arthur is my favourite aspect like ever i like it so much
primal siren
zag sword is becoming my second fav aspect i think
second favourite?
what's your third
viral star
but i like zag sword it's just really fun, especially with something like flurry slash and rush delivery
idk, probably something gimmicky like rama
primal siren
Very nice
proven osprey
Zag sword is 5 blood only
primal siren
still not worth it
proven osprey
And makes use of the hammers
viral star
yea! arthur carried me through 40 heat like a champ
proven osprey
contrary to nemesis
proven osprey
exactly
primal siren
I guess
viral star
Generally I like. Good weapons? But I also like enjoying myself
primal siren
I don't use other sword aspects that much outside of arthur
viral star
Also I got a 11:23 time with zag sword hehehhe
viral star
Honestly understandable
You can make anything work with it
hell you can apply hangover, with a melee weapon
viral star
unseeded?
primal siren
yes
viral star
damn
primal siren
so you can beat very high heat with almost every weapon aspect really
it's more about how you use the weapon, not which one
turbid needle
arthur sword is my new fav weapon especially if u utilise it with builds
primal siren
turbid needle
some aspects are more flexible than others
by a large mile
is heroic side hustle good for styx?
viral star
Arthur is really punishing with RNG
You need some very specific boons to make it work, anything other than Artemis/Aphrodite/Demeter attack is garbage
viral star
is heroic side hustle good for styx?
very very good
turbid needle
rama is my fav aspect so far, I can branch into so many different builds with it
viral star
It's very fun!!!
turbid needle
yea!
viral star
And pretty
slim lynx
this is really stupid but what's the best build to make hades deal as much damage as possible
slim lynx
maim + boiling blood seems to be the only things that can ramp up his damage
and also em4 lol
regal garden
60 percent dodge was so powerful
you know hades lasers
when he fires them in every direction
i run in front of them and attack hades
and not die?
because i was dodging half of them
sonic crypt
tbh you were also using fists, so you might have unknowngly been standing within his hitbox (another way to dodge lasers)
regal garden
no i wasin the way of the lasers
alot
so it was also the dodge
it was disgusting tbh
at least my plume is level 3 now
it was alsoa very effective darkness run
i got +55 percent darkness from poseidon
got my fated authority to level 2
fallen sable
Anyone know how often Dio's Aid adds a hangover stack?
fallen sable
Yes, but how often does it proc
turbid needle
any good builds for arthur
regal garden
can't tell
undone anvil
Anyone know how often Dio's Aid adds a hangover stack?
I think it's every 0.5 seconds but I'm not sure
either way it only stacks 5 times
fallen sable
0.5 seconds is my guess, yeah. I'll see if I can find a vod using it and time it
undone anvil
a single bar lasts 1.5 seconds so just use a single bar and see how many times it fires off
turbid needle
@turbid needle i've seen tank mode w dmg reduction, aphro n athena n stuff
undone anvil
it should be 3 if 0.5 seconds is correct
regal garden
i think
it stacks more than 0.5 seconds
from experience
you can get up to 5 stack from a single dionysus aid
turbid needle
whats tank mode or whatever idk im kinda new
regal garden
you just have to stay near
turbid needle
arthur's special reduces damage received, so you couple that with Aphrodite's weak and further dmg reduction through different league and such
and you'll become quite tanky
also the base health increase from arthur adds to it
so a lot of aphro boons and arty boon for main damage
turbid needle
basically
yea, it's a pretty safe combo
I do it every now and then, pretty chill way to run Arthur
frail schooner
it should be 3 if 0.5 seconds is correct
I’m pretty sure you get 5-6 ticks from dio aid lesser call
So it’s 0.25 or 0.3
turbid needle
exquisite charm connoisseur
frail schooner
It’s not more than 6 because I know you don’t get 5 stacks if you aren’t careful about staying close
fallen sable
So it’s 0.25 or 0.3
yeah I was just looking at a video and estimated 0.2-0.3. I'm going to DL this so I can slow it down and look at the frames closer
boreal cradle
best boons for aspect of demeter fists?
chilly crystal
ares attack and athena special iirc. But that is what i remember from the speedrunning guides
chilly crystal
I guess Posiden is bad since knockback is the opposite of what you want
oh lol you just said that
hidden hornet
Yeah I was like I remember one of them is really bad
chilly crystal
let me get in close....and they are on the otherside of the room...
not sure why they say that one for special on speed runs. PRobably duo boon related
oh not sure about aphro
hidden hornet
Honestly speed run builds vs general use builds are so different
swift heath
So I recently got a double duo run
How often do those happen?
I was set up with Ares and Artemis and wound up getting Dionysus' 2 Duos for them
hidden hornet
Like 2 duo fights or 2 duo boons?
leaden bay
Happened to me a few times I think, is that supposed to be rare? I get lightning rod offered constantly lol
chilly crystal
I'd say not rare but not common
I'm also around 200 runs so idk, its all a blur for me now
im sure other people at 1000+ feel they are common to see ha
craggy rapids
Does Delta Chamber's entire 3 round burst benefit from Hestia rale's empowere shot?
stone harbor
Pretty sure Hestia and delta chamber are incompatible
hidden hornet
Duo boons get more common once you get the mirror perk for legendaries/duo
chilly crystal
oh yeah i forget i run that perk lol
craggy rapids
It just appeared for me with the Hestia equipped. I don't want to take it without being sure one way or the other though
hidden hornet
I had a triple duo once and I just deleted lol
proven osprey
Pretty sure Hestia and delta chamber are incompatible
no, just with lucy lmao
leaden bay
deleted ||Hades||
That's a phrase that makes me feel things. What duos were these?
stone harbor
not sure why they say that one for special on speed runs. PRobably duo boon rela...
I would guess something like aphro attack artemis special and go for the duo?
chilly crystal
sudo rm finalBoss_H.char
hidden hornet
I had dio cast with Zeus/Demeter duo
I shot 4 casts and he invuled
Had an extra cast from chiron
leaden bay
dang that sounds fun
hidden hornet
I actually forgot the 3rd duo but it was pretty random and I grabbed it
Must of been really bad or not useful but I got offered really bad boons
So I had to pick it 🤷
craggy rapids
So Delta Chamber + Hestia is a yes or a no?
craggy rapids
Does the entire burst get bonus damage, or still just the first shot of that burst?
daring turtle
hm not sure, but I think it's still just the first shot
proven osprey
it's non existent since you have to reload to get the bonus damage
don't take that hammer
daring turtle
you can reload with delta and Hestia still
vital hound
BOI did i hit a jackpot for the aspect of hera or what?
http://prntscr.com/wjuvld
hidden hornet
dang that sounds fun
I remember now it was poseidon dio for the epic+
vital hound
craggy rapids
If that is true, it seems like a massive oversight that they would include a hammer that completely cancels out the entire point of using the weapon
proven osprey
Not really
vital hound
and i've got the vicious cycle as a cast too 
leaden bay
I mean you can just do other things with it.
proven osprey
I mean you could play Hestia as Eris if you wished
craggy rapids
I mean, not really.
proven osprey
You can
vital hound
i dunno - i never got a fine selection of boons like this one before
craggy rapids
How would you get the bonus damage?
proven osprey
@muted plank did a pretty high heat run with Hestia played like Eris
you don't
but it's still able to win that's why I mean
craggy rapids
So what do you mean "played like Eris"
proven osprey
Zeus attack pew pew pew
craggy rapids
At that point, you are playing like a nerfed Zagreus at best
craggy rapids
That's not playing like Eris. If it completely cancels out the ability to receive the bonus at all, without warning the player and its mere existence implying that it would still work to some degree, that is an oversight. Either it needs to explicit state that while it is compatible it also nullifies the effect of the weapon, or it shouldn't be there.
That's like including the Vicious Skewer hammer on Guan Yu
Except opposite I guess
proven osprey
It does not nullify it
coarse moss
it doesnt nullify you see, you can reload anytime you want
you just never run out of ammo
craggy rapids
Okay, that is what I thought. It seemed like someone was implying it did prevent the damage buff for some reason.
vital hound
aaaand i got a 6 sack with a tiny vermin
i guess i was having just too much fun
i mean 5 sack
leaden bay
I imagine they don't mean in the same run.
regal garden
yeah
vital hound
ah
strong hornet
does unlocking a weapon aspect count as investing titan blood into a weapon since i need 5 invested for the hidden aspects
craggy rapids
I mean, I guess?
It starts at Level 1 when you unlock it, not Level 0.
If that means anything to you
vital hound
mate - i think you've had enough
don't know why i would want to keep going
https://prnt.sc/wjv3af
||shush i know it's dusa - it just made for a pretty funny screenshot||
vital hound
one time she was on her way out once the cutscene started
and i saw hades being swallowed by the styx and subtitles said something like "Good-bye, prince!"
and i was like 
is my fave summon so far
she's super useful
stone mango
What good builds are there for chaos shield?
craggy rapids
Athena and Ares is excellent because of Merciful End, and I think it is Athena and Aphrodite who give Deathless Stand which basically makes you invincible with a shield.
Curse of Drowning from Poseidon and Ares is also theoretically really good from behind the safety of a shield.
cunning urchin
Last Stand and Deathless Stand are tier 2 boons from Lady Athena that replenish a single DD each.
stone mango
what hammers should i look for?
cunning urchin
Explosive Return.
stone mango
is dread flight good?
stone mango
special bounces 4 more times
regal garden
oh
cunning urchin
Dread Flight only affects your main shield with Chaos Aspect, so it's not all that great.
I don't really like it.
stone mango
Athena and Ares is excellent because of Merciful End, and I think it is Athena a...
btw this aint right
the second half*
craggy rapids
In theory
stone mango
no, as in, deathless stand isnt the right boon
it's a solo athena boon
that makes you impervious after death defiance
craggy rapids
Ah, you are right. Stubborn Roots is it
leaden bay
What are good daedaluses for eris
I always get ones that want to modify attack in questionable waybs
proven osprey
cluster bomb / rocket bomb is the most powerful combo
regal garden
and generally good
lean knot
targeting system and delta chamber are the next tier down
jagged grove
I disagree
delta chamber is meh
and targeting system is also meh
when you can have upgrades such as clusterbomb/rocket bomb/triple bomb
leaden bay
I just now got a choice between like, splinter shot, delta chamber, and the third one was whatever takes away some ammo
sorry not splinter shot, richochet fire
turbid needle
after hearing that damage multipliers are all additive everything just seems so bad now
dry ember
That's why crit is good 
jagged grove
after hearing that damage multipliers are all additive everything just seems so ...
that's...why it's good?
additive multipliers are so much better esp when you have multiple sources
turbid needle
no?
jagged grove
explain how they're worse then
cause I might be
missing info
in my head
or can't do math kekw
turbid needle
if I have 120% special damage from aphrodite special, 20% damage from dionisys fountain boon and 60% from chaos boon that is only 3x damage, but if you multiply them it is 4.2x damage
jagged grove
hmmm
dry ember
(1+ 1.2 + .2 + .6) vs (1 * 2.2 * 1.2 * 1.6)
Didn't check the results but what Usva said seems right.
turbid needle
like 20% or whatever I get from fountain boon isn't just straight up 20% more damage
but less
which weapon for curse of longing
turbid needle
mm
regal garden
main/special could be ares aphrodite specifically
turbid needle
aight
turbid needle
i'll try that out right now, thanks
regal garden
all of them apart from guan yuw hich i havent tried yet
turbid needle
my experience with guan yu could be summarized as a version of coronacht that doesn't require loading your shots
that being said, it's very braindead
turbid needle
guan yu was pretty good when I just stacked my special
and never use the charged attack
it's basically just that
you just keep spamming special from afar
just got a natural aphro right after ares, so far so good
turbid needle
thx
stone harbor
You ideally want both dire misfortune and impending doom for curse of longing on chiron, not sure which of these is more important if you have to choose one of them
pliant anvil
Hidden fist and Zeus shield are the best ME vehicles
you sure on that? fists WR still uses demeter.
stone harbor
TIL that you can miss meg if your taarget is exactly between two circles
fair cairn
ugh getting the 30% butterfly achievement is so annoying
cloud vault
you sure on that? fists WR still uses demeter.
Just merciful end
stone harbor
ugh getting the 30% butterfly achievement is so annoying
just get it to max rank and play very safe
use something with range if you can
empty heron
If you can do the entire tartarus area without getting hit, that's most of the requirement. I recommend a blade rift build or something long range. You can get longer range upgrades via hammer for fists and spear to keep you safe, but you really wanna focus anything you can fire and then hide. It's very slow, but relatively easy.
Doom effects. Festive fog. Etc.
proven osprey
Hestia and Guan Yu are good candidates for that
jagged grove
rail also isn't bad
coarse moss
rama with zeus special is great too. 1shot most things in tartarus and quite braindead
fading garden
So I realize where I went wrong with lucifer+zeus attack: I wasn't playing Eris 😆
proven osprey
It's still good on Lucy tho
fading garden
I was really atruggling to make it work, and I had the absolute nuts in terms of boons
proven osprey
The thing is that your attack does not destroy projectiles and you have to be careful with your dps since you have to dash strike
so no iframe
fading garden
Does dash striking increase the lighting damage?
proven osprey
nope
fading garden
Then why dash strike?
proven osprey
For your mobility
jagged grove
yea^
and for faster rampup/continued beam
not like fast in the sense that it goes faster but
fading garden
Wait, how does ramp up work?
jagged grove
it's qued up faster
ramp up is 10+how many consecutive bullets iirc
so ur last bullet can do 30 damage
if u can get triple bomb on luci though
that stuff does so much damage
esp with hearbreak flourish or any high special modifiers
craggy rapids
What is considered better for Hestia Rail? Artemis Attack with heavy crit investment or Aphrodite Attack? I guess that applies generally too. Is Crit better than raw percentage?
vapid badge
What boons synergies well with frost strike? I got it on bow plus double arrow and I got a purple flat crit chance from arty
Just not sure where to go from here
Im using zag aspect
fading garden
Killing freeze seems like a good start
vapid badge
Ok
proven osprey
What is considered better for Hestia Rail? Artemis Attack with heavy crit invest...
Crit is more damage yeah
On Hestia tho
The thing is that Arty scales better but needs T2 boons
But the fact that the 150 hestia bonus crits is huge in itself
trail topaz
I just did a run with ice wine AND scintillating feast and it’s disgusting
vapid badge
Ok double arrow plus auto arrow hammer is just op i just got my fastest run by far
empty heron
Aspect of Chiron doom special build is surprisingly good.
stone harbor
Low tolerance and merciful and are both better and require less stuff to be useable
eternal wasp
can you get hazard bomb with aspect of eris?
forest marsh
Yes
You can also dash out of the AoE just before it lands to avoid getting hit while also getting the Eris buff
eternal wasp
i dont think my reflexes would be sharp enough to pull it off consistently
stone harbor
Plus you can fill a room with the aoe in styx
empty heron
Low tolerance and merciful and are both better and require less stuff to be usea...
Idk if you were talking to me, but you literally just need doom on special and then some kind of curse on your attack. You tag and kite.
pallid kernel
hey guys i just unlocked the hidden aspect for the twin fist of malphon
any build tips?
nocturne copper
slow doom on special or a rupture build is pretty solid
or abuse the high base dmg of regular attack with a straight up crit stack
stone harbor
Idk if you were talking to me, but you literally just need doom on special and t...
I know, the builds I mentioned just deal better damage. Maybe i should have said that doom requires more stuff to feel good instead though
empty heron
For sure. It's a really lazy build. Not super fun. It's just better than you'd expect.
pallid kernel
slow doom on special or a rupture build is pretty solid
thank you
empty heron
hey guys i just unlocked the hidden aspect for the twin fist of malphon
Deflect on attack with Aphro special does decent damage while improving survivability by a lot. Plus the pair both stack with other damage increases or crits.
spare quartz
is it possible to reset the titanblood on my weapons
cause i miss clicked and gave it to the wrong upgrade ?
forest marsh
Have you gone on a run after that?
Or left the weapon room?
If you assign the blood and then don't leave the room, when you start a run you can select "give up" and it will reset your save to the state it was in when you first entered the weapon room
Otherwise no, you can't refund titan blood
spare quartz
ok then i made a mistake
i thought that i can reset them with keys like in the mirror
tame bison
No resets for Titan blood
spare quartz
that is what i meant
eternal wasp
do you get text for defeating hades with guan yu after you leave?
beating hades with less than 100 hp is an oof
real kernel
The Evergreen Acorn is definitely a must-have unless you are really confident
fading garden
Or if you accidentally forget to grab acorn in the last room 😆
real kernel
Tanking damage is generally a really bad idea in Hades, but it is an especially bad idea for Hades himself
Which makes sense: you may have one of the Infernal Arms, help from Olympians (and Chaos themselves, potentially), direct assistance from a friend, and empowerment from Mother Night, but Hades is still a major god
fading garden
Heck yeah! Beat it without the acorn and w/out losing any death defiances! 😎
craggy rapids
Man, I'm having a really hard time with the shield at 15 heat (EM3 and FO2). Just got killed by Asterius by himself with Beowulf and Merciful End build. The damage just isn't there compared to how relentless he is. FO2 makes him and Thesius a really hard fight
craggy rapids
I was under the impression this was just something people used at base tbh
regal garden
fo is very hard
narrow ravine
any general recommendations for railgun aspect/boon stuff for heats 2-7?
craggy rapids
Is it just sort of accepted that the shield can't compete with that modifer? I just don't know where the damage is supposed to come from.
fading garden
Eris is easily the most versatile weapon. It's just a good too for any plan
narrow ravine
dmg boost eris? zeus for bouncies etc
fading garden
Yeah. Eris even works great for hangover
narrow ravine
love hangover lol
sounds like general default dps is dio/zeus stuff for most weapons
arctic dirge
I’m new, any tips on creating “builds”.
narrow ravine
i'm also pretty new - i worked through all the 'duo' and 'legendary' skills, taught me a lot about different synergies
honest jetty
does anyone know how the chain shot upgrade for bow interacts with chiron aspect?
would the last enemy hit be the one targeted by the special?
forest marsh
To be clear, you aren't trying to get it with only Athena's dash, right?
stone harbor
Have you tried having good rng?
hollow prairie
It helps to also run God's Legacy if you're not already.
coral cave
thought i got it on my final reroll but it turned out to be unshakable mettle
got jebaited so hard
coral cave
It helps to also run God's Legacy if you're not already.
yeah but i like having epic boons
hollow prairie
yeah but i like having epic boons
ME is one of the builds that really benefits from having God's Legacy imo. It's a tough duo to get consistently.
stone harbor
Duo boons can make your run, I would almost always use it
hollow prairie
You'll still get chance at epic, it's just lower chance.
coral cave
aight thanks
opal lodge
happens
coral cave
i want to jump off a cliff into the abyss
opal lodge
welcome to ME town
coral cave
wow this town sucks
coral cave
yeah i know i was using the keepsake lol
opal lodge
be greedy with rerolls when you have the keepsake equipped
hollow prairie
Yeah, ME isn't fun tbh haha.
opal lodge
like very greedy with rerolls
coral cave
mr supergiant can you pls make ME easier to get pls
opal lodge
if i have the prereqs and the keepsake equipped i will greed a reroll like no tomorrow
coral cave
i am having an aneurysm trying to get it
opal lodge
it used to be easier to get
but that wasnt fun because every weapon just ran ME
all weapons lineups used to be 6 ME builds
coral cave
well now its too difficult to get
jagged grove
Wait how do u reroll
opal lodge
its a mirror option
hollow prairie
Last one on the mirror
opal lodge
fated persuasion
coral cave
merciful end
untold vortex
Merciful End
fading garden
I love unconventional builds. I am currently playing hestia with a hangover attack+bad influence. It is amazing!
coral cave
the thing i am havinga whale of a time trying to get rn
regal garden
i should do a proper me build
coral cave
have fun lol
regal garden
i had it once apparently but it was before id cleared the game
so didn't really work
but i know what it does
it gives doom damage effects to divine stuf turn ft
coral cave
i know im not
regal garden
right
coral cave
activates doom effects immediately
regal garden
oh
short vapor
So true
arctic dirge
As a new player, what boons should I be focusing on?