thanks 🙂
#h1-builds-and-combat
obtuse stag
opal lodge
epic rav will is quite good if youre good about using your casts
gusty rapids
ive never been a fan of quick recovery tbh
rare kindle
Yeah, I think it’s better to not take the damage in the first place
turbid needle
quick recovery doesn't feel like it does anything
opal lodge
the problem is that damage reduction will almost always just be better
because you dont have to lose a chunk of damage and then have it restored
turbid needle
I think it'd be better/more interesting if it was more like the rally system from bloodborne
cunning urchin
Quick Recovery does quite a bit, you just never actually notice when it does something.
Most damage you take is probably from dashing too late.
cunning urchin
No.
turbid needle
oh damn
bronze heron
How does Kinetic Launcher interact with Demeter Malphon?
cunning urchin
You get extra projectiles.
stone mango
How good is artemis call?
sonic mural
dunno im pretty sure aphro call is better at max
rare kindle
Artemis call at full just deletes boss phases
stone mango
if lets say you choose between artemis call and 2 of her crit boons, is it worth picking up?
dry ember
nope
stone mango
yeah, thought so
dry ember
if your crit attack is used often, the go the other 2 crit boons
if you just use crit as a placeholder then go call
rocky iris
Artemis imo falls off because it's only useful at full. Other calls you can use for supplemental damage every few seconds depending on boons and you get iframes
stone mango
What keepsakes should I rank first?
sonic mural
doesnt really matter
dry ember
all of which are worth leveling, though acorn can be useful in the later biomes
rocky iris
Just pick whatever you like tbh. Things will come naturally anyway
sonic mural
you usually dont use tooth at all except extremely early game or very late game
dry ember
no midgame or endgame spoilers pls
You will learn that Batman is Bruce Wayne half way through the game
rocky iris
tooth is def not top 3
Isn't tooth the best one for em4 fight? Acorn isn't good against the minions
stone mango
srsly tho i'm still quite early in the game
sonic mural
Isn't tooth the best one for em4 fight? Acorn isn't good against the minions
as i said, extremely early or very late
stone mango
currently i'm missing 3 keepsakes
rocky iris
Didn't catch that
dry ember
Isn't tooth the best one for em4 fight? Acorn isn't good against the minions
||Yes, but EM4 is late game when we are dicussing early game pre 1st clear :D||
sonic mural
usual keepsake progression is god -> god -> purse -> acorn
dry ember
Also, ||EM4|| best keepsake really depends. I have seen Acorn, Spearpoint, and Tooth being tossed around.
rocky iris
||Yes, but EM4 is late game when we are dicussing early game pre 1st clear :D||
Fair lol I shouldn't have spoke
dry ember
Fair lol I shouldn't have spoke
All good :D
stone mango
and then artemis nextr
this plan sound good?
sonic mural
doesnt matter
god keepsakes dont really need levelling
its just based on whatever you play
you only choose god keepsakes to force a particular god into your build
dry ember
this plan sound good?
Yeah I wouldn't recommend keeping and leveling a specific god
sonic mural
to get your core quickly
dry ember
In general you want to swap out your keepsake every biome for maximum value
stone mango
right
dry ember
(unless you run specific keepsakes like Butterfly or Plume, but that's different)
sonic mural
if you go god->god->purse->acorn you'll level it up eventually anyways
stone mango
but sometimes I get the tooth's utility out
dry ember
but you are on the right track :D
sonic mural
tooth is the last DD so
you usually dont use it til final boss
unless you're on extremely high difficulty
river rampart
going into hades with 1 death defiance because i somehow died twice to fury using fists
...
dry ember
#h1-for-new-players if you don't want spoiler
rocky iris
Yeah I was gonna share my favourite keepsake, but I realized it's a spoiler
dry ember
||persephone?||
rocky iris
Yeap
I used to use it at all times. I'd have massively powered boons in a patchwork build lol
sonic mural
This channel allows spoilers dw
1-2 random poms across a region is pretty bad ngl tho
opal lodge
but think of the VALUE in styx though
im kidding if its not obvious
idk what it is about the mom blossom that really draws in newer players
but it sucks
maybe not having dark foresight for poms?
IDK
rare kindle
I switched over to dark foresight, and even with God’s pride and not legacy on, I feel like I still get offered duo boons I want fairly frequently
gaunt quarry
God's pride is fine if you're not planning to build your entire strategy around duo boons
rare kindle
I like getting more out of my basic boons, and some duos aren’t so great anyway
opal lodge
yeah i like god's pride
and dark foresight is 100% the way
im just trying to figure out why some people like mom blossom still
LOL
gaunt quarry
I like it
cunning urchin
Lucky Tooth is great for SD LC4 runs in Elysium. Doesn't really make any real difference on a typical DD run.
river rampart
wow my rng sucks af
ive done 3 runs trying to get line for the legendary aspect for fists to appear and it hasnt
i dont think it helps the fact that i dont know how to play fists at all
granite whale
press space and m1
lul
jk
i usually like hangover on attack boons (see the run i just posted in the bragging channel)
granite whale
lmao
mighty ermine
im just trying to figure out why some people like mom blossom still
honestly same
i feel like it's bad except for styx and meme runs
i don't think it's very good but i can def see why a lot of players like it
free pom stonks except it's not free because it occupies your keepsake slot
daring turtle
I like it a lot - especially at the start if you get good attack/special boons, then don't get any others, you get tons of free upgrades for your main damage outputs. I usually switch it out for the broken spear for Styx though (it's just too good at blocking poison damage, and Hades' beam attack if you get caught out)
If I use the Guan-Yu spear though, I use Cerberus' choker though since starting with 45 health is a ton better than 30
kindred rapids
Blossom. It’s free levels. What’s not to like?
cunning urchin
They're random, and you could be taking other keepsakes over it.
Just Stubborn Defiance with Skull Earring gives you permanent +40% bonus damage on all your damage. Pom Blossom can't compete with that.
mighty ermine
yeah, like i said earlier, it's not truly free pom levels
cunning urchin
You can still get poms on the important stuff, so Pom Blossom adding a few poms on top of that just doesn't do that much.
kindred rapids
There are def better ones but its not bad, especially when you’re not full up on boons yet
It’s a “lazy” keepsake
cunning urchin
I don't know why it got nerfed. No one really picked it for high heat or speedruns except just for experimentation.
kindred rapids
Yeah. I def wouldnt use it for those
cunning urchin
But it's not like anyone found a Pom Blossom strategy that could compete with the meta.
Maybe the pick rate in casual runs was super high or something.
untold vortex
it didn't get nerfed though, it was only nerfed in one of the test patches
kindred rapids
Not likely ever gonna be one but I can see why its popular in casual runs
Slap it on and dont think about keepsakes again
Until you do something more challenging
cunning urchin
Oh it's back to normal?
dry ember
I think the nerf was reverted
untold vortex
there's nothing about it in the patch notes, so the experimented nerf didn't go through to the live patch
dry ember
along with the Eris "nerf"
untold vortex
that 'nerf' went through
cunning urchin
I've just been pretending that it doesn't exist since the test branch update notes for the nerf.
kindred rapids
Lazy buff for casual runs. At least for me, otherwise dunno.
dry ember
that 'nerf' went through
I mean the nerf to 60% then back to 75% with 4s
so yeah, techically it went through
but eh
untold vortex
ahhh, that one explicitly got reverted
dry ember
bis?
cosmic torrent
How does the limiting call to 25% duo boon interact with sigil of the dead?
Does it just brick call?
mighty ermine
yeah, unfortunately
agile plover
I must say. Stubborn Roots is one hell of a boon
Couple that with some damage reduction and you almost can't be killed
hollow helm
can Zeus bolts crit with Pressure Points?
gusty rapids
no
hollow helm
wait a sec, what can proc with PP?
untold vortex
everything
pressure points is global crit chance
so yes, the zeus bolts can crit with pressure points
dry ember
It's pretty funny to me that Doom can ceit with Pressure Point
Now if only you can increase crit chance somehow
sonic juniper
You can with Dio+Arty
vale imp
wait i thought Zeus bolts were one of the exceptions to PP
Did that change recently?
Haelian kept saying it in his Lightning Rod Video the other day
untold vortex
I don't think it's ever changed, unless it's explicitly specified in code
kindred rapids
Zeus + Arty is one of my favorite combos.
mighty ermine
there are some weird edge cases where PP doesn't work, like on the explosive return hammer for shield
dry ember
Interesting
untold vortex
probably should F10 those edge cases when they happen :3
dry ember
The only edge I care is Double Edge 😎
untold vortex
be careful you might cut yourself on that double edge 
vale imp
i stg lightning bolts can't crit but I can't find any info on it anywhere on the wiki so maybe that's just some fever dream i had 😖
dry ember
can we test that somehow?
vale imp
this is pretty much the only reference i found: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/k4m37f/does_any_damage_not_crit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
and that Haelian video
kindred rapids
I’m pretty sure they can as I recently ran a Zeus + Arty run (unless I’m severely misremembering)
Though maybe not all bolts can? Had a bajillion going all over the screen so couldnt tell what was from what half the time
vale imp
I've never seen a bolt crit but I don't normally have PP on a Zeus build because I thought this so I can't say 100% now
kindred rapids
Fairly certain I remember seeing 140+ damage bolts in big numbers going around when I was playing
I think I’ll go for it again later to test it again
opal lodge
if rod crits it should do exactly 210 damage
- some for global mods i guess
like family favorite or what have you
vale imp
also, it should have a ! on the number as well i think?
kindred rapids
As often as I play this game, and crit builds, dont remember lol
thick coyote
I actually managed to kill Asterius in the first fight. Hangover and Killing Freeze took him to 10% hp after the fight ended and then Winter Harvest shattered him.
sonic juniper
What happens in the boss fight? Any special dialogue?
proven osprey
It's Chiron, friend. The classic is heartbreak strike, deadly flourish and aim for Heart rend, Aphro x Arty duo
thick coyote
nothing special happened, he just said whatever he usually says when he dies in the second fight
stone harbor
Did you guys know that you should not try to heal with SD when you already used it that room?
gusty rapids
though I cannot lie, I have done that more times than I’d like to admit
stone harbor
Not that such a thing would ever happen to me of course
I was obviously just letting everyone know
turbid needle
whats a good amount of hp for Hades boss battle first run
proven osprey
Fresh file?
proven osprey
The most important thing is to have your DDs imo
turbid needle
okay thanks for the help
warped hound
Eris buff applies to Zeus attack as well, right?
mighty ermine
Zeus is actually not as amazing as you'd hope because of thunder flourish's internal cooldown on bolts
Instead of all arrows in a volley causing bolts on an enemy, you'll only get one or maybe two across the volley because of how they hit in rapid succession
turbid needle
artemis is good tho right?
turbid needle
is this a good build (my first build)
im using chiron bow and this is before Fury Sister
opal lodge
hm
mighty ermine
Like I said before, artemis special is preferable to zeus special on chiron overall. But since you already have this, you'll want to get double strike
opal lodge
check the previous like 10 or so messages
but yeah zeus is usually not great on chiron special
and also fwiw special chaos boons dont affect the flat damage on them, like lightning strikes
mighty ermine
Maybe this is a weird edge case where Zeus special is fine over artemis since his chiron is only upgraded like once
So, not a ton of arrows anyway
copper crest
can Lucifer ramp damage crit?
vale imp
yep
rancid crag
isnt chiron with ares special also ok?
i mean i tried and it does some dmg
but you need dire misfortune
copper crest
But why ramp when you can..... shoot forever
is this upgrade actually good?
undone sparrow
any good tips for the sword?
I'm good at all the rest but all aspects of the sword are just alien to me
copper crest
I like building dash-strike for the sword
kindred rapids
is this upgrade actually good?
Yes. No more reload downtime, so you can hit more often and faster
copper crest
aspect of zag with poseidon dash, and defensive boons
kindred rapids
Slap a Zeus, Dion, Deme, or Ares on there and grab a Artemis Arrow slinging and you’re a beast
copper crest
hmm i'll try it next run, im just not sure it's worth the tradeoff
also, Lucifer's special seems kinda meh
undone sparrow
piercing is just fantastic with Lucifer
kindred rapids
Luci Special is the big damage move, Luci Attack is the rapid attack move.
undone sparrow
and if you spam the special for a area denial it's ok
undone sparrow
doesn't work
kindred rapids
If you get the triple bomb, luci special becomes super strong
regal garden
wait does charged volley not exist with chiron
undone sparrow
yep
kindred rapids
if you hate shooting hellfire, then grab Zeus Special so they auto explode
undone sparrow
the good thing about the luci special is that it staggers
when pulsating
so you can just play lame and win game
kindred rapids
the pulses are just icing on the cake, you really want them to go boom boom
slender charm
sonic crypt
sad news, final boss 4, me 0, good news, dd maxed out 
special spam spear went surprisingly well
kindred rapids
Grats!
slender charm
got really lucky with adamant rail specials
regal garden
wow
slender charm
1000-1500 dmg per special
slender charm
its on god mode though, so it doesnt really matter if I get hit
regal garden
oh
still
if you had like
that exact same set but with the rocket special hammer
and the one that allows you to rapid fire it
copper crest
that's a lot of special
regal garden
you could spam so much damage
undone sparrow
wait
is aegis technically Nyx's sibling?
slender charm
it was my first time picking up radamant nail
kindred rapids
wait
is aegis technically Nyx's sibling?
Technically
undone sparrow
ooh
kindred rapids
But || Chaos || has a ton of children
undone sparrow
yeeeah
slender charm
i prolly should stop using god mode, since I am on streak since my first win
kindred rapids
Wouldnt be surprised if those fish were too
slender charm
only god buttmad at losing when I had like 0 darkness
sonic crypt
idk what the average player is like but I'm at 20 attempts reaching the final boss on my last few, so I'm not too disheartened
feels like i'm slowly but surely progressing
undone sparrow
I think I had an Idea for how to git good at using the blade
put the heat into ungodly amounts and try to win
sonic crypt
Would you ever not use deadly flourish with Chiron? just got offered a heroic 195% dmg heartbreaker flourish and i'm like 
undone sparrow
id trade it for lightning
regal garden
i had a deadly flourish zagreus spear run
undone sparrow
in a hearbeat
sonic crypt
but not heartbreak?
eternal wasp
has anyone ever beat hades with “made heat gauge cry”
regal garden
ill post it in victory boasting
regal garden
i was basically getting crits constantly with my special
and by itself it was so much daamage to enemies even without crits
undone sparrow
I had my best run with eris gun
it's on Vic Boasting. and I called it water gun
check it out
undone sparrow
saaame
regal garden
and the combo of those 3 boons
wispy fossil
Fists are so hard to use
turbid needle
chiron with heroic doom special is op
quiet maple
what boons are good with aspect of chaos?
proven osprey
Non % ones such as Ares and Zeus on special
quiet maple
ok thanks
quiet maple
ME?
I did a run with ares on attack and dionysus on special earlier
but the extra shields aren't very reliable
turbid needle
i got relentless volley and chiron...
proven osprey
Merciful End, Athena and Ares duo boon
turbid needle
is that op
proven osprey
It's the best hammer on Chiron yeah
proven osprey
nope
Special base damage of chaos is bad so I advised no % boon
That's why doom should be on special
then you'll deflect with bullrush, attacks or divine dash
stone harbor
are there tartarus minibosses other than the sneak? I hate that thing
it counters chiron so ahrd
daring turtle
Doom Crystal thing I think
stone harbor
that one does not teleport and remove your chiron mark constantly
quiet maple
bombers as well
stone harbor
those are easy with chiron
don't worry about actually giving advice, I was just salty because I am trying to do 32 heat and died to the sneak
daring turtle
The sneak is really annoying
I wish at least it wouldn't reset its status effects upon disappearing
stone harbor
OMG I FORGOT THAT DC BLOCKS MEG
elder lava
A question about consistency
tame bison
Little pebbles means you’re constipated
elder lava
lets say i want to get aphro attack and artemis cast or something in order to get heart rend, i take aphro keepsake at the start and get the attack, but then i'm not offered artemis as i go forward, but i'm willing to be flexible let's say, should I be filling up my main slots with random stuff i get offered, or stick to the auxiliary boons
because if i don't fill the main slots i will keep getting offered them right
the run ended up fine
but at first i was struggling for boons so was just taking random Zeus stuff
though in the end my Zues boons ended up doing just as much as heart rend...
tame bison
Put on Artemis keepsake in area 2
tame bison
Aphro attack and Artemis special get you heartrend.
elder lava
so in the end i got heart rend anyway, as well as splitting bolt and smoldering air along with a load of other lightning stuff
the game really wanted me to get lightning
tame bison
Yeah you will keep getting offered empty slots at greater odds
What you could do is take a Cast for example and then sell it at the end of the next area
elder lava
and iirc you will not get offered a swap until you have filled all slots?
tame bison
So that your Zeus cast makes the other god boons better basically
No you can get offered swaps with empty slots
elder lava
oh really
tame bison
Swaps are just low % chance
elder lava
ah
elder lava
What you could do is take a Cast for example and then sell it at the end of the ...
hadn't thought of this
i ended up swapping aphro cast for artemis cast
but tbh with all the lighning synergy i ended up with, Zeus cast would have been better
proven osprey
and iirc you will not get offered a swap until you have filled all slots?
10% chance iirc
valid raptor
what are some good bow builds
stone harbor
any specific aspect?
valid raptor
doom is really good for chaos
stone harbor
nah
I'm gonna give you some chiron builds because that's what I know the most about. Take aphro attack because you want a duo with her most of the time and it is good defense when you don't. For special you want artemis, dio, ares or demeter
ezus special can work too
daring turtle
Minotaur rush hammer upgrade + Posidon boons
valid raptor
k thanks, ill give it a go
flint ginkgo
Guys shield of chaos
valid raptor
whats the best duo for aphro?
stone harbor
for hammers +4 special arrows and +5base damage per special hit are best but anything that ssays special is good
stone harbor
whats the best duo for aphro?
for chiron? artemis and dio are my favourites
valid raptor
k]
regal spindle
To which god do i have to sacrifice my firstborn to get past Theseus in Hell Mode?
His spear and the archers in Elysium are borderline impossible to dodge unless i'm missing a tell
sonic mural
whats the best duo for aphro?
heartrend, low tolterance - two separate builds but equally viable
sonic mural
To which god do i have to sacrifice my firstborn to get past Theseus in Hell Mod...
is this ur first time doing the game?
regal spindle
Well at this point i'm 25 hours in and i immediately started in hell mode
I do like the challange
But blast that guy in particular
regal spindle
sonic mural
tbh i wouldnt recommend hell mode for beginners even if they wanted a challenge since you can easily jump up to that difficulty, and beyond, after you've gotten first clear
elder lava
at what point is it that you can't stand next to hades when he does laser?
is it one of the pacts
sonic mural
em4
elder lava
oh really
sonic mural
no im just joking
proven osprey
tbh i wouldnt recommend hell mode for beginners even if they wanted a challenge ...
There is a heat option only available on hell mode tho
sonic mural
There is a heat option only available on hell mode tho
yah but thats not really affecting ur gameplay usually
proven osprey
No it is indeed EM4 that prevents you from hugging dad
elder lava
i'm not sure if you were answering me 🙂
oh wow, can you hug him whether he is doing the 3 pronged one
or the full circle?
as in can you hug both*
sonic mural
if ur not doing em4, both
sonic mural
for 3 pronged one if u rely on dash attacking or whatever you can go behind him too
since it'll take him a while to turn around
wispy fossil
Is zeus at all useful for a heart breaker bow run?
tame bison
Cast or special if just basic bow
Not that special is at all optimal. But Zeus special would be usable
sonic mural
its great for hidden bow special
drowsy stirrup
Do you guys do build achieve specific runs ? Right now, trying to get all legendaries... missing dem and dio. I tried dem lucifer and it was straight misery. Dio lucifer is funny in my experience. Did you guys aim for legendaries, or did they just happen ?
fair cairn
fated authority
turbid needle
oh
fair cairn
reroll the boons you dont want
keen mesa
once you get 4 gods picked and all your attack/special/cast/ stuff locked in
instead of 1/8 chance of getting a god, you'll get 1/4 chance for the gods you have
turbid needle
any good gods for chiron apart from artemis and zeus
fair cairn
you are guaranteed to have 5 show up, and can force a 6th with keepsake
keen mesa
they're all good
fair cairn
dio, zeus are all good
fair cairn
yes
turbid needle
ty for the help
fair cairn
aphro + arty is also a popular choice for the duo
aphro attack and arty special
even ares is viable if you get the stacking doom
proven osprey
btw isn't arty's support fire really really good?
depends on the weapon, must be kind of fast hitting
But i really like it too
chilly crystal
do chaos/||erebus|| rooms count against the room count before the boss?
keen mesa
no
keen mesa
means you need to have further dialogue with him
to be able to give more nectar/ambrosia
keen mesa
erebus does count as an encounter yes
chilly crystal
nice! so no downside to taking them then. Guess I better start looping them in even if the reward is meh. Especially if I ended up with a chaos curse ha
proven osprey
It's wrong
keen mesa
what is
proven osprey
They are rooms and unless you take a late chaos room (before final shop), you'll actually skip a room. Which is good for the timer
keen mesa
erebus counts as an encounter, for purposes of plume, pom blossom etc though
so you aren't "missing" an encounter
chilly crystal
so room 1 -> chaos -> room 2 -> erebus -> room 3 -> etc?
or room 1 -> chaos -> room 3 -> erebus -> room 5 -> etc?
keen mesa
the only reason to not take a chaos room is if the debuff will affect you on a boss in a way that would severely hurt you
like if you somehow had to take a -50% movement speed and it was active during thesus/atrius, that would be really bad.
chilly crystal
yeah for sure for sure
proven osprey
Yeah you gotta think about that
chilly crystal
wasnt sure if those "bonus" rooms technically extended the possible encounters before a boss
particularly maximizing plume or butterfly
proven osprey
Oh I see
chilly crystal
i really should have asked that question up front lol. then delved into the reasoning behind the answer
proven osprey
Yeah I thought you meant to save time
chilly crystal
LOL and right after your warning, I took a chaos room without thinking and took a flayed curse while running chiron...right before alecto. I might be an idiot
why do i make thinks hard on myself?
proven osprey
You should be fine
chilly crystal
ha yeah, I just powershot my way through it ezpz. Just handicapped myself by locking away the whole point of chiron lol
proven osprey
Note that a Chaos curse will not kill you
coarse moss
until you step in the spike with 1hp xD
wispy mulch
Just unlocked guan yu, any suggestions for a fun or good build?
chilly crystal
I boosted the special to stupid high levels and just yeeted everything i got near last time i ran it
proven osprey
You should invest a bit of blood, it's gonna be tough @wispy mulch
wispy mulch
What? Does that fr make the spearthrow useful? @chilly crystal
wispy mulch
You should invest a bit of blood, it's gonna be tough <@246060518027165697>
I noticed, made it lvl 4 right away
chilly crystal
I'll look at my build in a min. in a run currently but i also was just doing a hell mode fun run with no extra heat
proven osprey
Aim for charged skewer, it's the god hammer on it. Aphrodite or Artemis start. Deadly flourish is optimal but Heartbreak flourish is fine too. Special double dash strike is your optimal dps rotation
Spin carefully between enemies spawn or on slow ones (Tartarus thugs...)
chilly crystal
charged skewer! thats what I was trying to think of
chilly crystal
had it with heartbreak flourish
proven osprey
Get Heart rend if possible
Spin hammers are great too
Serrated point will kill you even if it's a lot of dmg
wispy mulch
Serrated point will kill you even if it's a lot of dmg
Tempting
chilly crystal
with privileged status and a cast stuck in hades, I was hitting around 5-600 a strike
proven osprey
It's something to get used to
wispy mulch
with privileged status and a cast stuck in hades, I was hitting around 5-600 a s...
Decent
coarse moss
the spin heal won't really save you. its very high damage though. spin hammers are nice to have
proven osprey
It will save you
But not using it when starting to use the aspect is prolly better
Because it will kill you too
chilly crystal
I find the spin heal really hard to use, but I also realize that you have to pick and choose which enemies to try it out on. Some just hit you way too quick
also, the charge up pulse upgrade works wonders in Saytr holes
the pulse kills all little rats and stuns non shielded enemies
only does 40 dmg per pulse but gets the job done
daring turtle
the spin attack with Quick Spin and Winged Serpent is amazing
you can send multiple maxed spins out at once
turns any room into beyblade heaven
healing you so much
coarse moss
i like quick spin with massive spin
daring turtle
yeah that's also really good
proven osprey
Winged serpent is "ok"
Quick and massive are better
The thing is that winged serpent does nothing alone while Quick and massive do
daring turtle
it gives it much more range and duration
frail schooner
proven osprey
it gives it much more range and duration
You don't need that most of the time
wispy fossil
Does boiling blood increase the damage if you have more than 1 bloodstone in the same target?
coarse moss
no
wispy fossil
k thanks
lucid moth
What happens when hades hits you and it says boiling blood?
granite whale
i think you just take more damage
granite whale
^^^
opal lodge
think it's +50%
could be wrong
an 88 damage spear throw > 132 damage with boiling blood
bronze sorrel
Any tips for Zeus cast builds? I always find myself not dealing enough damage to bosses
opal lodge
which zeus cast build are you talking about
lucid moth
an 88 damage spear throw > 132 damage with boiling blood
ok
opal lodge
zeus builds notoriously have worse bossing, so you need something to supplement your damage
bronze sorrel
In general really but mainly for Poseidon Aspect
bronze sorrel
But the casts don't stick most of the time?
opal lodge
sometimes they do
bronze sorrel
I usually get static discharge
opal lodge
if youre good at picking up/tracking your casts you can get ROD
turbid needle
i just got a perfect start to a cast build(i think?)
opal lodge
and then something like splash dash/deadly strike will help since you can play budget nem instead of chasing your casts
turbid needle
epic athena and demeter with cast boons first chambers
bronze sorrel
Kinda wonder if I should be getting Lightning Strike
But maybe thats just doubling down on AoE with low damage
coarse moss
maybe get a strong special, since you would use it to dislodge
either artemis or aphro, they have nice duo with zeus
arty's exit wounds into legendary perhaps
opal lodge
Kinda wonder if I should be getting Lightning Strike
lightning strike isnt worth it imo
most of your damage is gonna come from having a decent deadly strike sword base + exit wounds
zeus cast + poseidon sword is a pretty standard speedrun build so you could probably check some of the speedrun.com boards to see how they deal with bosses
bronze sorrel
Ya, thats a good idea, though is it still popular now with Sea Storm nerfed?
proven osprey
Pom the dash
bronze sorrel
looks like poseidon only has two speed runs on the boards since 1.37. the faster one is using Festive Fog at 9:26. Slower time is on Zeus cast at 16:36. I know the new patch leaderboards are still filling in but that definitely says something about how hard poseidon+zeus cast was hit I think...
turbid needle
does deathless/last stand give +1 defiance or regain +1
bronze sorrel
Regain
real kernel
If only
bronze sorrel
If you already have three, you don't get more
real kernel
And there is an unspoken rule that it never shows up if you could actually use it
I know that isn't true, but I feel that it is
bronze sorrel
Far as I know the only ways to get additional DD are lucky tooth and Chaos legendary.
real kernel
Here's a fun fact: it can replenish the Lucky Tooth's DD
Because the Lucky Tooth actually increases your maximum amount too
That only lasts while you have it equipped, though
bronze sorrel
Interesting, albeit not super useful. No one uses lucky tooth.
real kernel
I used it a lot at first
bronze sorrel
Ya, same. Then I discovered acorn
real kernel
Evergreen Acorn is better once you get the hang of things
What's the worst Keepsake, in your opinion?
bronze sorrel
There are alot of candidates honestly. Featherduster, spiked collar, etc etc
real kernel
I think Skull Earring is pretty awful
bronze sorrel
Yup it is
rare kindle
Distant memory is the worst one to me
daring turtle
spiked collar is good if using GY at least to start with
real kernel
Distant Memory feels worse than you'd expect
terse mist
seconding distant memory bc i main fists
bronze sorrel
But again its just different gradients of worthless
real kernel
I have no idea what the range on Distant Memory is
real kernel
I used Distant Memory on my latest run, which was a weird shield sniper thing
half crater
it’s basically the very maximum spear range
not that i recommend taking it on spear lol (or at all)
real kernel
Charged Shot + Minotaur Rush = something in need of a nerf
I honestly just took Distant Memory to finally max the ranks. I literally didn't keep it a chamber longer than that
frail jackal
hey guys, does rare crop affect the boons after the initial pickup of rare crop, or only the boons up until the rare crop boon pickup?
bronze sorrel
S: Acorn
A: Olympian Keepsakes
B: Coinpurse, Hourglass
C: Spearpoint, Egg, Plume
D: Everything Else
chilly crystal
does piercing fire synergize with chain lighting?
real kernel
It hit rank 3 when I beat the Champions
real kernel
S: Acorn
A: Olympian Keepsakes
B: Coinpurse, Hourglass
C: Spearpoint, Egg, Plume...
Acorn sucks outside Hades
rare kindle
Basically, because you can only have one keepsake active at a time and you can’t switch back, you want a keepsake that gives benefits that last beyond the biome you’re using it in
terse mist
hey guys, does rare crop affect the boons after the initial pickup of rare crop,...
only the boons up until you get it
real kernel
The Lambent Plume is spectacular, but you have to commit
rare kindle
Or is defensive in nature if it’s in a late biome
bronze sorrel
Acorn sucks outside Hades
Nah, its good for champions too. I use it on every run, often for two realms
real kernel
For the most part, I'd say the Keepsakes are very well-balanced. As with everything else
tame bison
Do I care about Zeus cast on Beowulf or wait for something better
frail jackal
@terse mist I see thank you! a bit worse than i thought then, but still seems op!
half crater
Do I care about Zeus cast on Beowulf or wait for something better
wait
real kernel
I like Broken Spearpoint in Elysium occasionally
turbid needle
feeling good, at styx with full hp and DD
rare kindle
Asterius gets difficult enough in EM3 and I’m not that good at avoiding his beyblade move yet that I use acorn
real kernel
Wait
daring turtle
I always use broken spearpoint in Styx since I hate poison
brisk star
Whats a good weapon and aspect for a poseiden build?
real kernel
Asterius gets difficult enough in EM3 and I’m not that good at avoiding his beyb...
That doesn't work in the mini-boss encounter, right?
bronze sorrel
How are they well balanced if almost half are completely useless Saklad?
rare kindle
That doesn't work in the mini-boss encounter, right?
Sadly no, it doesn’t work in the miniboss
vernal dune
Whats a good weapon and aspect for a poseiden build?
chaos shield probs
real kernel
How are they well balanced if almost half are completely useless Saklad?
Almost all of them are both powerful and situational.
real kernel
just fill the screen with Tempest Flourish shields
Aspect of Chaos, then?
bronze sorrel
Almost all of them are both powerful and situational.
Very much disagree with this.
brisk star
just fill the screen with Tempest Flourish shields
never thought of that lmao thanks
terse mist
Very much disagree with this.
you gotta account for different playstyles and skill levels
real kernel
The Evergreen Acorn is only useful if you are taking slow heavy hits from the final encounter
bronze sorrel
you gotta account for different playstyles and skill levels
What skill level/playstyle makes spiked collar good?
terse mist
What skill level/playstyle makes spiked collar good?
beginner
real kernel
What skill level/playstyle makes spiked collar good?
Starting out, High Confidence, etc.
terse mist
i used it a lot when i was just starting out
real kernel
The worst Keepsakes are the ones that easily become obsolete
terse mist
for those of us like myself who arent mechanically skilled it can really help in the early game
half crater
What skill level/playstyle makes spiked collar good?
getting stupid health meme runs
proven osprey
Distant memory is bad
bronze sorrel
getting stupid health meme runs
The real answer
real kernel
I'm not a fan of Shattered Shackle, since I generally want to put a Boon on things
proven osprey
The rest is ok
turbid needle
distant memory starts a bit farther away than a fully charged (non-hades) spin attack
terse mist
shattered shackle + dash build is fun
real kernel
I maintain that the Skull Earring is worst
real kernel
shattered shackle + dash build is fun
What, how?
turbid needle
stubborn defiance moment
proven osprey
Skull earring is the reason 56+ heat is possible
half crater
^^^
real kernel
Skull earring is the reason 56+ heat is possible
Really?
proven osprey
Yes
tame bison
Shattered shackle is pretty great
real kernel
Sounds spectacularly risky
half crater
skull earring is definitely not the worst
bronze sorrel
But honestly I think alot of keepsakes like spiked collar are noob traps. That doesn't make them good for beginners, just something beginners think is good. Big difference.
terse mist
What, how?
the shackle puts the condition on everything but your dash
proven osprey
Sounds spectacularly risky
A strat for Baj and it's Zeus shield so it blocks
chilly crystal
whoa i need to look at the 56 heat run then
terse mist
so if you have it and mega buff your dashes it can be great
proven osprey
This keepsake might achieve 62 heat actually
without it the dps would not be enough
rare kindle
Shackle is good for very high heat, when you can’t choose your boons
proven osprey
It's very specific I agree. But it's just carrying that lol
bronze sorrel
I think spiked collar would be in an ok place if it worked like Coinpurse. One time permanent health increase.
terse mist
But honestly I think alot of keepsakes like spiked collar are noob traps. That d...
idk it was reccomended to me when i was first starting out and i found it really helpful
turbid needle
should i take epic athena for 150 obol or centaur heart for 125 obol before hades boss fight (my hp is 250 and i have quite a decent amount of athena boons, about 3)
real kernel
As I said, most Keepsakes are situational and powerful
proven osprey
except distant memory
real kernel
I'm not too surprised to learn that the Skull Earring has a niche
real kernel
except distant memory
If I could see the damn range, it might be more useful
And if enemies weren't so good at closing distance given a second or two
proven osprey
Yeah but 30% base damage is just not enough with that condition
rare kindle
Funny how eurydice’s keepsake is one of the more useful keepsakes, while orpheus’s is terrible
proven osprey
it's so hard to proc it
real kernel
Does it affect Doom?
bronze sorrel
As I said, most Keepsakes are situational and powerful
If the situation is meme runs, sure
vernal dune
should i take epic athena for 150 obol or centaur heart for 125 obol before hade...
depends on what Athena boons you have already
turbid needle
took it, had brilliant reposte, got all common boons, RIP
proven osprey
If the situation is meme runs, sure
Not really
terse mist
thats because theyre so well balanced
terse mist
which is one of the things i love about sgg :)
proven osprey
Collar can be a crutch for mirrorless
real kernel
Does anyone use the Sigil of the Dead much?
I've only used it a tiny bit, and it plays very weirdly
proven osprey
Speedrun uses
terse mist
i havent gotten used to it yet but i think it could be pretty fun
proven osprey
that's about it
terse mist
could get you out of a couple tight spots
also fun to use in the hades fight, he has unique dialogue for it
turbid needle
any tips for hades with shield zeus
real kernel
I'd expect speedruns to use Lambent Plume
rare kindle
For speedruns you want high DPS apparently
proven osprey
why lambent plume?
daring turtle
faster move speed
real kernel
Lambent Plume gets better and better as you clear encounters quickly, which you'll do anyway
proven osprey
No control over your build in speedruns is terrible
You don't need dodge in speedruns
you basically tank bosses
real kernel
That reminds me: is there a way to set the seed or something?
proven osprey
You can yeah
real kernel
How?
proven osprey
It's actually a crazy amount of work
real kernel
Mod?
real kernel
The RNG is obviously seeded, as anyone who has had to quit in the middle of a chamber (or save-scum because something interrupted you and you just lost all your health) knows.
proven osprey
Specific actions in a room like destroying urns, casting, using special etc affects seed
real kernel
I don't think that counts
proven osprey
?
real kernel
I meant putting in a string and getting the same RNG each time
proven osprey
I'm telling you what I know about seeding and routing
You should watch someone following one
real kernel
What?
proven osprey
they might throw 2 cast before entering a room
Like
You can get the exact same run if you do the exact same things
real kernel
How many sources of randomness does the RNG pull? Sounds pretty sophisticated
proven osprey
and you can work with that because giving up does not reset the seed
real kernel
Demeter is probably pissed though (this is a programming joke)
proven osprey
it's hard
I just know these few things
I've been able to route a legendary artemis once
So I tried to reproduce it, succeeded a bunch of times
it's time consuming
But there are mods now
real kernel
I feel like the intended methods of RNG manipulation are quite effective. But I meant setting the RNG from the start
half crater
yeah that’s what Astaos is saying; you can’t set the rng of a whole run from the start
half crater
it’s impossible, because every room a new seed is generated from the actions you took in the previous one
yeah
rare kindle
There’s a mod that lets you set what you want at the start
proven osprey
yeah I should have worded it like this
rare kindle
I don’t use the mod myself but I think it only works for the first room, from what I’ve seen in Haelian videos
half crater
yeah it’s just the first room
proven osprey
I think it's for speedrun practice
When you actually want to play instead of resetting
real kernel
That's what I meant, though
short vapor
Best zag aspect sword build to take on em4 ?
real kernel
Because that determines your actions in the first room, which determines your actions in the next room, and so on
short vapor
I just want to beat him
half crater
merciful end
brisk star
Whats the best god for Aspect of Arthur build?
rare kindle
And apparently casting before you enter a door affects what you get next
That’s what I see in seeded runs
proven osprey
yeah
Note that seeded does not always mean routed
since seeded is just non unseeded
if you see what I mean
real kernel
I really, really don't
proven osprey
lmao
short vapor
Whats the best god for Aspect of Arthur build?
Athena boons help me out with arthur
Its a big sword cant account for everything
proven osprey
For instance, your first run of the day is considered seeded because you can't show previous death
vernal dune
Hermes is best Arthur god duh
proven osprey
And if you keep giving up a run the seed is still there. But it does not mean you're routing it
proven osprey
Your seed might be a cool starting epic deadly flourish that you want to keep. Then your run is seeded because you'll give up to start with it again
proven osprey
Nope, double edge is king
short vapor
Ok
proven osprey
But flurry slash can see uses
short vapor
Ty
proven osprey
What aspect tho?
short vapor
Zag
real kernel
Cursed Slash is wonderful for mere mortals like myself
proven osprey
Yeah it's kinda nice
proven osprey
what
vernal dune
proven osprey
60% hp loss is good enough
proven osprey
Can you imagine doubling the amount of hits you need to recover?
Yeah I mean for low heat I can understand
real kernel
I think my best heat is 6 or 7
I haven't tried higher, though
I'm doing bounties in order
regal garden
ive only gone up to 2 cause im going through the weapons and their bounties
at least for now
might change it up after i finish the last weaponwith heat 2
vernal dune
i've been doing the same but im up to like
8 minimum
12 maximum
i may have been addicted for some time
proven osprey
lol
real kernel
I completed the Harsh Conditions prophecy, though
Good to get that out of the way
I tried to do the hardest Conditions first, so I didn't have to mix them with others to keep getting Bounties
tame bison
How do you not die to Hades with cursed slash when he one shots you
real kernel
I also sort of handicap myself by always going for the Artifact at the Temple of Styx.
proven osprey
How do you not die to Hades with cursed slash when he one shots you
He should not one shot you
tame bison
Like oh I got hit by hades spin, let me attack him 17 times to recover that lost health
real kernel
You need to be careful with positioning.
proven osprey
flurry slash and you're set
real kernel
And it is +2 each time your Attack damages something, so whale at the non-Hades things while you're at it
brisk star
I also sort of handicap myself by always going for the Artifact at the Temple of...
Whats the artifact at the temple of Styx?
real kernel
Aspect of Arthur has substantial AoE on it
real kernel
Whats the artifact at the temple of Styx?
Diamond or Titan Blood
I always avoid shops
brisk star
ohhh
real kernel
I knab them without fail
real kernel
If I ever run into a serious brick wall, I can always stop doing that and use my right hand so to speak
vernal dune
same
as soon as i reached Styx and saw a Titan Blood just hangin out there
i pinched my wallet shut
i avoid Charon shops like the plague now
real kernel
I haven't had to do that yet, though. I switch to Dark Foresight and Dark Regeneration if I previously died to Hades, and that tends to be enough
brisk star
And right before a boss, I always grab the free item anyways even before I started saving up
real kernel
Yeah, the odds of getting something so much better it is worth paying for seem slim to me
brisk star
Anyone know how to force hermes to bond with you, I keep coming to him with max lambent plume and I havent gotten the dialogue yet
its been like 20 runs
real kernel
Just give it time
I got it recently
That being said, Hermes might be better off not bonding with someone who wants to force the issue
Anyway, the Temple of Styx gives a massive number of Obols through Superior Urns, so if you saved up until that point you can practically clear Charon out
regal garden
yeah
i can reliably get like 3 items from charon
with no money going in
especially if i go down th egold paths
daring turtle
is there any way to speed up reload time for aspect of Hestia? Attack speed doesn't seem to affect it
past raven
I almost never sped obol before the last floor so I usually can get everything including the titan blood/diamond
coarse moss
is there any way to speed up reload time for aspect of Hestia? Attack speed does...
you cant but you can tidal dash twice and special during reload. lots of damage there
wispy fossil
Is fated authority used automatically or does it give me the choice to reroll?
granite lava
I don’t use the mod myself but I think it only works for the first room, from wh...
It's Ellom's starter boon selector
it's speedrun legal in the seeded category
vernal dune
Is fated authority used automatically or does it give me the choice to reroll?
you get the choice
wispy fossil
Thanks
keen mesa
How could it be used automatically? o.O
wispy fossil
Just randomize it and cancel any effects that could do otherwise
keen mesa
but that's what it already does
wispy fossil
yeah but the difference in what I was asking was whether I got the choice to use it or not
keen mesa
yeah... but if it re-rolled it automatically, how would you know it rerolled at all? o.O
wispy fossil
It says randomly alter not reroll
in the mirror
Though i did in my question
mhmmmm
keen mesa
fated authority changes things within the category FYI
so you can't escape that
that is
wispy fossil
category?
keen mesa
if a room is offering Gold/Gemstones/Darkness or Nectar
you can't reroll it to get a Boon offering
wispy fossil
Does persuasion work the same way?
grim dune
could anyone share some wisdom on running Beowulf effectively? I feel like it's one of the last weapons I really struggle to use well
keen mesa
persuasion rerolls boon offerings (or shop items, purging items, chaos items, etc.)
wispy fossil
Yeah but if i reroll an athena boon does it stay athena?
keen mesa
yes
wispy fossil
dope
keen mesa
But you could reroll the Athena room to another god, with Authority
although I used to use Authority I switched to Persuasion
proven osprey
could anyone share some wisdom on running Beowulf effectively? I feel like it's ...
@opal lodge
regal garden
i had such a good moment
i was in tartarus and dionyuss boss room was ahead
and i rerolled it hoping for aphrodite for my build
and i got aphrodite
proven osprey
Authority 
wispy fossil
How do Olympian favor and Gods' pride interact?
keen mesa
no
wispy fossil
thanks
signal spear
Hestia aspect is so fun actually
shattered shackle is kinda viable with it
wispy fossil
Man I'm having the worst time trying to beat hades with bow
regal garden
dont stand still
elder lava
If I wanted to do a shattered shackle Guan yu special run....what ways should I be looking to increase my special damage besides like...battle rage
coarse moss
could anyone share some wisdom on running Beowulf effectively? I feel like it's ...
beowulf was clunky for me too. then it becomes one of the most fun weapons. try poseidon cast. you dragon rush, then you bullrush into your bloodstone, and then you dragon rush again. keep doing that and nobody can hit you (from the front), while you explode the whole room within seconds
grim dune
cheers will give it a go
regal garden
rain whats specifclaly making you lose
is it bad decisions?
a specific boss or enemy
opal lodge
could anyone share some wisdom on running Beowulf effectively? I feel like it's ...
splash cast, force mirage shot
yeah what yakuza_miko said
thats about right
wispy fossil
a specific boss or enemy
Its kinda the Elysium boss tbh
wispy fossil
sometimes I lose a life there
wispy fossil
and then I don't have enough to do hades
wispy fossil
OR
regal garden
so you can keep your dds
wispy fossil
like last time I made a horrible decision to buy a 300 olon pom because I didn't think I would get a shop to buy my death defiance back in the temple
regal garden
i find i dont often need all my dds when i fight hades these days
wispy fossil
And the next room i went into had a shop with YOU GUESS IT a death defiance
regal garden
but like its nice to have them all yeah
so yeah keep your money for them if you need to
if youre struggling try like getting alot of max health
i find 200 and a bit over to be enoguh to survive elysium boss without losing a life
with how bad i am
wispy fossil
I actually had almost 300
regal garden
ah
wispy fossil
285 I think
regal garden
yeah you probably just need to like
be more careful
idk like avoid theseus speare
wispy fossil
I get hit by those skulls explosions alot during the fight
regal garden
yeah you gotta dodge those
wispy fossil
that and it takes forever to kill the adds he spawns
regal garden
tough for me to learn to
if you can get them all together
you can attack them along with hades
or like split your attacks
and focus on them when hades disappears
once the armours gone they melt after all
past raven
You can kill the skulls but for me it's easier to just dash over the shockwaves
wispy fossil
I got like 3 or 4 clears so maybe I just need to fight him more to learn his moveset
regal garden
yeah
past raven
Yeah it'll come with more practice
Try to get stronger builds too because killing his summons should be pretty easy
regal garden
crit builds work against summons
past raven
Look for boons that work well with eachother
regal garden
obviouisly some summons are harder than others though
past raven
And most weapons will have a hammer upgrade that melts armor so try to get that if you can
wispy fossil
I also only have like 35 or so escape attempts so could be missing stuff
past raven
For example fists have one that makes dash strike do +900% damage to armor
wispy fossil
Yeah I love those
past raven
Do you use fists?
past raven
Fists can be really good
wispy fossil
I might try to make that my first weapon to complete the heat with
agile plover
I wonder if there's a formula that increases the likelihood of hammer spawning the further you go without getting one
🤔
keen mesa
there is
you're guaranteed to see 2 hammers in any run
the first one is in Tartarus
if you skip it, it'll be in the shop
if you skip it there, it'll be in asphodel
if you pick it up in Tartarus, the second one will be in Elysium
if you skip it there, it can be in a shop, and if you skip it there
it will be in a tunnel
wispy fossil
What keepsake is next to the broken spearpoint cuz it's all I'm missing
agile plover
Hammer should always take priority over boons, yes?
wispy fossil
depends
keen mesa
not necessarily
there is a higher chance to see a hammer as first "boon" when starting a run
past raven
I use aspect of talos, and try to get the following upgrades:
Zeus attack
Divine Dash
Covering fire (Probably the most important one if not Zeus attack)
Athena Call (Lets you get up-close without having to worry about taking damage)
Artemis or Athena Cast
Demeter Revenge (Completely chills enemies which lets you attack them more easily)
keen mesa
but it's not guaranteed
agile plover
I mean for builds, my bad.
wispy fossil
wha
keen mesa
keep playing, you'll find them
past raven
Also long knuckle hammer upgrade is the best because it increases the range by a lot
agile plover
When you have the option to choose between hammer and boon, I'd imagine that in most cases the benefits of hammer will outweigh the benefits of boons
wispy fossil
again depends on where you're lacking at that point in time
regal garden
yeah
past raven
Only time I choose boon over hammer is if I really want a certain boon from that god
regal garden
i go for a hammer in like all opportunities
unless i need to survive and the other option will give me health
or if i really want a certain boon for the build
past raven
Hammer will usually come back
regal garden
yeah
wispy fossil
Most times hammer is bae tho
past raven
If you already have a boon from a certain god they'll come back too so don't go for it over hammer if you do
agile plover
I just had my first victory yesterday xD. I got really lucky with a specific boon
past raven
The game tries to set you up to get legendary boons so that's why you see the same god so many times in one run
past raven
Was it the fish one
past raven
Nice
regal garden
got it right before hades and had poseidons aid and poiseidon boon for my main attack
past raven
I haven't really messed with legendary boons because I use the epic chance mirror upgrade
past raven
Legendary boons are way too inconsistent for my liking
regal garden
i got 2 duo boons that run also
i didnt even have the mirror talent for duo and legends active
agile plover
Some duo boons are insane
regal garden
yeah some of them are so powerful