h1-builds-and-combat

[crimson mango]

I like to go extra range and sacrifice spin for attack speed

[proven osprey]

well you're missing half of them

[topaz vault]

hey all, how rare is the charged blast for chaos shield?

[tame bison]

I mean only 1 aspect cares about spin

[topaz vault]

I've not gotten it once in 15 runs

Is there some trick to getting it I'm missing, only got the game recently

[cosmic hornet]

charged blast?

afaik all hammer upgrades are equally random

[magic stone]

When you spin attack with hades spear you become invulnerable right?

Like while you do the dash animation you become invincible?

[proven osprey]

If you "cancel" your spin with a dash (spin dash), you get the iframe of a dash yes

[turbid needle]

that's like my favorite thing do do in this game

[modern lichen]

Zeus and Poseidon builds are tanky

Sub 30 run with beowulf and zeus and poseidon boons, barely sustained damage in the final boss

[hybrid plume]

I just did a fun run with True Cast, Poseidon Aspect, got as many Artemis boons as I could, and got the Hades legendary

[modern lichen]

hades legendary???

[hybrid plume]

Hermes whoops lol

[bronze marten]

Does ares’ blood frenzy boon count double if I use multiple defiance’s? About to fight em4 dad and I think an extra 66 percent damage would be helpful after he kills all my defiance’s

[sonic mural]

no i dont think so

[hybrid plume]

what's the best build for Arthur?

[sonic mural]

standard heartrend i think

or aphro attack

[stone harbor]

Pretty sure it does

[modern lichen]

Bad News or Greater Recall?

[stone harbor]

Make sure you don't die before though, it only counts in the room you die in iirc

[modern lichen]

Recall is better though they both require a different mirror ability

[sonic mural]

"After using Death Defiance, deal more damage that encounter."

doesnt say anything about multiple?

[modern lichen]

Oh I got a really good run combining athena/poseidon boons

Because deflection is overpowered with the aura

[hybrid plume]

which boons do I do

[steep grove]

uhhhh idk of this is the place but I just have a simple-er question, does health cap out? My runs lately have been health focused but I don’t think I’ve gotten over 225 so I was wondering if it’s still worth it

[hybrid plume]

is that athena attack poseidon special

I've gotten over 225 yeah

[bronze marten]

It does not. My personal best is 545

[hybrid plume]

iirc

[stone harbor]

It should trigger again if you die again, no?

[modern lichen]

Athena special and dash, poseidon cast and attack for me

Iirc I had athena's aid

Too

[bronze marten]

Yeah I just don’t know if it activates twice with a second defiance

[sonic mural]

why poseidon attack?

[stone harbor]

Health does not cap

[modern lichen]

Poseidon attack is actually good

Combined with boons that knock foes into barriers

[sonic mural]

not as much damage as heartrend(5k hits) or aphro

[hybrid plume]

5k hits?

[steep grove]

holy HECK* nice

[sonic mural]

on average thats what i get usually

[hybrid plume]

what's the standard heartrend

is it aphrodite or artemis on the attack

[sonic mural]

heartrend, shadow slash, artemis attack

something to apply aphro

[hybrid plume]

ah okay

then I guess I put aphro on special

[still vigil]

depends on the cast yer usin too

[modern lichen]

If you want a hermes legendary it's best to just use the plume

[sinful niche]

Ahhhh, i just got exclusive access as the last boon of the run

[bronze marten]

Meh, 66 percent or not I had no chance

[proven cairn]

question, with a slight spoiler so tagging just in case. || I have the Meg companion but can't seem to use it against Hades. Is there something special I got to do? ||

[keen mesa]

what do you mean you can't use it?

o.O

[proven cairn]

against Hades it just says "summon unavailable"

[keen mesa]

that means you don't have anymore charges

you only have up to 5 charges (plus additional ones you purchase) if you've leveled it that much

[proven cairn]

but I have plenty left

[bronze marten]

That goes away eventually, but you initially cannot use that item in that fight

[keen mesa]

no idea

[heavy sigil]

||After the main ending and after you've gotten your relationship with dad high enough you'll eventually be able to use summons against him but not until then||

[proven cairn]

thanks, thats kind of what I read. Guess I'll just wait and see. || I gave dad enough nectar that he won't take any more and gave it all back. Maybe just patience 😆 ||

[heavy sigil]

||It isn't immediate after you max his affection, just keep interacting with him when there is new dialogue and you will eventually be able to||

[keen mesa]

spoilers are allowed here

FYI

[heavy sigil]

Just being careful

;p

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/9t7npc7.jpg

This setup is amazing.

[fossil moat]

hey guys, anybody know if Seeking Fire works with the ||Hestia|| aspect

[sonic mural]

yes but you only first one bullet anyways

so whats the point

[fossil moat]

more consistent accuracy/dps

but thanks bro

[sonic mural]

oh wait nvm thought you meant the artemis seeking arrows thing

but yah both work

[cloud vault]

I like ricochet and piercing on that

Or some special hammers

[fossil moat]

welp....first shot doesnt auto track

sooooo

yeah, my runs damned xD unless i find an anvil

or I should say, there's a very slight curve on the first shot, but because the bullet travels so fast, it looks like it can't track

[tawny crater]

Does anyone have any recommendations in harvesting Titan Blood? I wanna get them Legendary Aspects to test and use for builds sooner or later.

[coarse moss]

do farming runs (dont spend money and buy from styx) get bounties from heat, fishing, and trade at broker

[dry ember]

^

[tame bison]

I have 1 DD left with Beowulf (which I suck with) and at Styx Fountain I can take Athena legend or epic Last Stand for 1 more DD

I kinda feel the extra DD is just better...

Like every 20 seconds is a long ass interval against Hades

[novel dome]

but its really strong, you just have to play safe and slow

[tame bison]

Yeah maybe between deflect dash and deflect strike...

And then also that

It will just catch the rare thing I don’t deflect or dodge

Yay got there

Mm do I want to upgrade my rare Artemis Special on High Confidence guan Yu to Epic Demeter...?

I guess no

[opal lodge]

tak the DD imo

but it sounds like you won

[tame bison]

Yeah it was an interesting decision I think

[green plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733989352266268767/793748713067642900/unknown.png

Turns out, Merciful End doesn't work in this case. So what I focussed on doesn't work, still, I want some idea on what I should focus on so that I can maybe have a chance ahead.

Or if the build is decent as it is, and I should focus on something else just to make things a bit easier.

[mystic hound]

Does World Splitter change your dash strike damage?

[cunning urchin]

Er. Sell Divine Strike, get Lightning Strike, I guess?

Or just get Tidal Dash and roll with it for fun.

[green plover]

Hmm.. Yeah, I have a tendency to choke against Hades anyway, will have some fun with this one.

[cunning urchin]

Might as well take LC4 if you use Stubborn Defiance. 4 Heat you can take off something else.

[green plover]

I really, really hoped this would've worked but it makes sense, because it's potentially quite broken.

[copper crest]

tfw you deflect dem filthy satyrs poison dart and they poison themselves

[green plover]

Well, whatever I did, reached Hades phase 2 and pretty much walked into a breaking pot because I misjudged when it disappears ending the run there.

That's pretty much the summary of my best 32 heat runs till date. Something dumb while facing Hades.

[cunning urchin]

Don't take HS. Much more forgiving without that.

[green plover]

Yeah. I guess I'll exchange the HS heat with LC.

Then again, I think I shouldn't play 32 heat on a semi-potato device that runs the game somewhat smoothly on 720p with KBM. But I'm really having fun challenging myself.

[cunning urchin]

Lowering FO would make reactions easier.

[green plover]

Oh blood and darkness, I didn't realise I had FO2. No wonder Asterius basically went nyooom across the arena.

Well, that's good in a way. I'm getting used to it then.

Anyway, lesson learnt: Divine Strike Rail does not benefit from Merciful End.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, just take Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash or Divine Dash and you're set.

[green plover]

Yeah, that makes sense with the Rail. I just saw someone using that strategy with Fists for speedruns and thought I should try that out with the Rail.

[opal lodge]

its funny because it was first used on rail mostly

then people started using it on fists because it was so good on rail

[cunning urchin]

Errr . . . Lightning Strike was first used on Rail because Malphon didn't exist then.

[green plover]

If you mean the Merciful End with an Athena attack strategy, did they patch that out for the rails then? I really don't know if that (that duo boon not working for Rails' w/ Athena attack) is intentional or not.

[dry ember]

ME Rail? That's a thing?

[green plover]

No, I tried that today and wanted to ask if it was intentional if it didn't work.
Because otherwise I really want a clear interpretation of in which case ME works and in which case it doesn't.

[opal lodge]

ME rail used to be a thing

like curse of agony divine dash

itsmeh, ME always works

what were you using to apply the doom?

[coarse moss]

ME rail doesnt sounds too different from ME fist to me? havent tried it though

[opal lodge]

its not great

there are just better options

for each aspect

[green plover]

I had Athena attack, Ares special which allowed ME to appear.

Now, if I read the boon desc. correctly, my attack should apply Doom.

[opal lodge]

no

that is not how ME works

what ME does is it removes the doom delay

so you apply doom

then apply a deflecting ability

and the doom will activate

[green plover]

Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects.

[opal lodge]

yes

activate

not apply

[green plover]

Oh.

That is confusing.

[opal lodge]

i know

i did not write the tooltip

[green plover]

Well, it means I misinterpret that. Okay then.

[coarse moss]

which means you want to apply doom quickly (doom on attack) and use deflect asap (dash) though you need athena on something other than dash

[green plover]

English is weird.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[cunning urchin]

don't think that was ever anything but fringe.

[opal lodge]

i buy that

[azure pecan]

I thought this would be the fastest way to get an answer: if I equip a god's keepsake at the beginning of a run does that add the god to the pool of possible ones for the run?

[green plover]

It guarantees the first boon to be theirs, so yeah they're added to the pool.

[azure pecan]

so if i equip demeter in the beginning will i likely get her again later

[granite lava]

not likely, certain

[green plover]

(Actually, I'm a bit rusty on Hades info, wait for others' input as well)
As far as I know, yes.

[azure pecan]

excellent that is good to know

thank you

[alpine solar]

hey guys does zeus special proc multiple time on chiron special ?

[stone harbor]

You get more than one proc but not as many as there are arrows

Think 2-3 for max rank chiron

[alpine solar]

Ok thx guys

[errant narwhal]

it has an internal cooldown of 0.2 seconds

[stone harbor]

I tried the build once, yiu definitely get more than one bolt

[trail topaz]

hey just discovered that that one boon (aphrodite?) that gives you bonus to healing doesn’t give you bonus to health recovered after death defiance

so thanks, reddit

[alpine solar]

Demeter

and no, because dd is fixed

[proven osprey]

Last stand from Athena gets you a buffed DD (from 10 to 16% bonus healing depending on rarity). The other way is running SD and buying Touch of Styx at a well of Charon (10% more) or getting Touch of Styx Dark from Patroclus (50% more)

Or just get more hp so the heal is better

[ocean mauve]

what is the best build for the rail guys

[proven osprey]

Zag rail I assume?

[turbid needle]

Why are Zeus builds just objectively more fun than everything else? Got Cold Fusion and Sea Storm in the same run and absolutely annihilated everything in Styx + ||Hades||

[proven osprey]

Zeus attack and more Zeus (jolted, storm lightning for the legendary)

[proven osprey]

Because jolted is a reliable source of damage + Zeus is aoe. Furthermore, he has good duos (sea storm, smoldering air...) and one of the top dps call in the game

So it goes zap, you deal damage without thinking about it too much

hence the fun

[turbid needle]

Does the double strike boon affect his call too? I feel like it does because the damage I got was bonkers

[main osprey]

Pretty sure it does

[proven osprey]

yep

[turbid needle]

Well I've probably used up all my RNG for the week getting that build together then

It was an absolute blast to play though

[cloud vault]

Double strike splitting bolt 🔥

[copper crest]

how do you guys build Guan Yu?

i've yet to win a run with it

[cloud vault]

Aphrodite on special, hope for Charged Skewer

[vale imp]

I like Artemis special, pierced butterfly and just try and get to 40% bonus on the keepsake

Also never use spin to heal

it's never worth it

unless you can hit multiple enemies at once, the healing is way too small

[tulip blaze]

Charging spin while enemies spawn in is decent

[copper crest]

gotcha. I never really use the spin attack anyway unless with spawning enemies

[proven osprey]

Yeah, don't use the weapon at its max potential

The spin requires practice but it's a good damage source and hitting more than one enemy is frequent

Mini spins can stunlock unarmored foes too

Spinning mainly depends on foes type too

Tartarus thugs are free, louts too if you bait their charge. Witches and Brimstones are risky

Spin between foes spawn, it's free

[cunning urchin]

Any melee enemy is free to spins if there's a gap in the terrain.

[trail path]

i just unlocked the aspect system what aspect should i spend my resources on

havent beaten the final boss yet

[vale imp]

anything is fine really

unlock the one that sounds the most interesting

none of them are really bad

[bleak laurel]

@trail path get 4th aspect of sword

stack hp increase and get the dem goods recover ~40% hp upto every encounter

and just afk auto attack

[trail path]

o

[cosmic hornet]

if you're just aiming to beat the boss, i recommnend taking 1 level for the hera bow

its the best 1 point blood investment imo

[fathom violet]

what would you guys recommend for aspect of nemesis?

[stiff stone]

Demeter or Aphrodite on attack

They give a high attack%, which works well with the crit conferred by the special

Invest in sustain boons as well since sword builds are more prone to getting hit

[turbid needle]

arty attack aphro special heart rend

gotta move speed

Support fire on Twin Fists is kind of nutty

[stone harbor]

Support fire on zeus is nuts

[turbid needle]

That's my next port of call for a build

After i've fulfilled prophecies etc

If you have the fists with zeus attack and support fire....

Or one kind of unexpected build I had: sea storm on attack, plus support fire

Sea Storm is literally my favourite thing in the game so I'm going to give that a shot if I can

[keen mesa]

23 more titan blood to go till all weapons maxed!

[true sphinx]

How many is needed total?

[turbid needle]

300 some

[keen mesa]

Sometimes, Bone Hourglass seems really, really good...

[turbid needle]

it slaps

[keen mesa]

200 gold or a pom of power...

but the 200 gold is in erebus and I could lose it all...

but the pom power is the only exit and even if I get hit in erebus, I'd get 3 exits instead of 1

well, I got my 200 gold, but now my exits are darkness, shop, or gemstones... sigh

[turbid needle]

poms r worth 100 obols

[keen mesa]

are they worth 200 though?

[edgy steeple]

Any rare/boss/double Poms beside on Erebus, Styx chambers and final shop?

[keen mesa]

nope

[edgy steeple]

that's what i thought

[keen mesa]

except with Exclusive Access (dio/pos duo boon)

which makes all poms +1 level

[edgy steeple]

sadly it's +1 and not double, so double Poms give +3 level instead...

[keen mesa]

well, yeah, but it turns all regular poms into double, which is what you want

[edgy steeple]

anyone having success with Zeus spear build?

[keen mesa]

maybe zeus special with chain skewer

but I'd rather have doom on that

[edgy steeple]

that's too slow...

[keen mesa]

even 100 damage doom is better than a 20 lightning bolt

[edgy steeple]

can't even compare to rail, fist or sword with hammer speed upgrade...

[warped hound]

Having to cancel dash attack into maim takes so much fluidity away from Gilgamesh

Wish it was usable at any point in dash without the cancel

Feels like too much timing for such an unsafe weapon

[keen mesa]

what do you mean cancel your dash attack?

just dash and special

instead of using dash attack, use dash special...

[warped hound]

Because dash into special needs even more timing and still comes out at the end of your dash animation?

[keen mesa]

what are you canceling though and how?

[warped hound]

Dash attack into special can even be slightly faster if you do it at the fastest possible frame

[warped hound]

If you do special right after dash attack

you still get dash special

But if you do it raw it only comes out at the very end of your empty dash animation

and you have to input it pretty late as well

[keen mesa]

sounds like way more trouble than it's worth

[warped hound]

whereas dash attack you can just mash it right away and it will buffer

Sounds like it, but it's way easier to use this way. As I said, I don't think it's a good thing either.

[indigo tangle]

Trying to make a Moneycalibur

[keen mesa]

why

the best weapon for hoard is zag

because the damage boost from it is a flat amount based on your gold

so if you have 1000 gold, you're adding 50 damage to every attack

that means you want to attack as fast as possible

[indigo tangle]

Even got Cursed Strike

[tame bison]

Cursed strike on Excalibur 🤢

[warped hound]

Cursed+Hoarding is pretty good on Zag/Nemesis, but pretty worthless on Arthur

[indigo tangle]

And Dio/Ares (Complete with their Duo Boon)

[warped hound]

Then again, you're very likely to get better hammers either time to not get a Cursed + hoarding combo

[tame bison]

So you’re just like trying to put all the worst combos together onto Arthur at once. Okay that’s fine you should just say that 😛

[indigo tangle]

Complete with Side Hussle and a Affluence Boon

[dull raven]

the build is not money at all

[indigo tangle]

2000 Gold

MONEY MODE ENGAGED

[tame bison]

Opinion: Guan Yu High confidence with 5 Boons right now...epic Frost strike/flourish. Divine dash, common greater evasion, and rare battle rage.

So I have 3/5 targets for upgrade from Eurydice.

Or I could Pom porridge or nectar

[stone harbor]

3/5 sounds good

[tame bison]

And Flourish has no levels so 1 it does guarantee a level on special

[proven osprey]

what is your hammer

[tame bison]

Serrated point

[proven osprey]

rarity won't do much

your duo potential is weak too

I'd go for porridge

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/BZ6ORjK.jpg

this is turning out just silly...

[indigo tangle]

Not as silly as Moneycalibur

[indigo tangle]

And no, I've lost. But it was fun as hell

[keen mesa]

lucifer rail is best rail

or at least it's the most fun

[static ibex]

Ugh.. I hate that EM4...

[stone harbor]

EM4 is really fun though

anyway, I already have low tolerance on my chiron run after beating hydra, do I go for athena dash or curse of nausea?

[keen mesa]

I never turn down divine dASH

[stone harbor]

I was in the elevator chamber thingy thinking about what keepsake to take at that point

I went for ares

[indigo tangle]

DASH

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/BllRS29.jpg

ridiculous damage

[stone harbor]

rip did not get curse of vengance

[vernal dune]

Curse of Nausea was deffo worth going for imo

[stone harbor]

it was really greedy, I had enough damage potential for EM4

but more numbers is better so I had to try

[vernal dune]

Yeah

Nausea is one of the best payoffs on Hangover builds

Chiron Bow especially since the Doom on Attack doesnt feel like total garbo

Not exactly forced into Curse of Vengeance for the Ares half of the Duo

[indigo tangle]

Especially useful for "Fire and Forget" builds

[vernal dune]

ye

[indigo tangle]

Mix that with Curse of Longing

[stone harbor]

I already had the aphro duo, whioch pretty much requires her attack on chiron

and specailw as taken obviously

the only other prerequisite is vengance

[vernal dune]

ah

[vernal dune]

not really a fan of it tbh

[stone harbor]

nice ares boon in styx, wish me luck lol

rip

[indigo tangle]

You're dealing constant drunk and doom damage to Weak Enemies that can't do jack and squat to you

[vernal dune]

Like just not having it and instead doing re-applied Dooms when you need to re-aim the Chiron Special does more damage

Weak and Hangover have such long uptime anyway

you dont need scratch damage Dooms to get the 40% bonus at that point

[indigo tangle]

Then there's also the "Moneycalibur" build (Dio+Ares)

[stone harbor]

side hustle in my last styx chamber is good, right?

[vernal dune]

Pepega

Rollin in that 40 gold

[stone harbor]

the other choices are not really better lol

[indigo tangle]

Curse of Pukesvile works as an alternative style while dealing unga bunga damage with 2000 gold

Granted, you will be needing either Cursed Blade (To keep yourself alive) or a ton of HP

Ricochet Fire or Seeking Fire?

[true sphinx]

What language are you speaking haha

[indigo tangle]

Got an hammer that either gave me the following:
Ricochet Fire
Seeking Fire
Targeting System

[true sphinx]

I’d take targeting system

[indigo tangle]

With the Aspect of Hestia

[true sphinx]

Ricochet then maybe

[indigo tangle]

Okay

Amazing

I just been minding my buisness getting my first Dio and first Demeter boons, and the very next Dio boon gives me the duo boon

God's Favor is fun

[main osprey]

nice!

[weak violet]

Y’all know a build for Rama?

[true sphinx]

Zeus special, Artemis attack, and support fire

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike with Drunken Flourish or Thunder Flourish.

[weak violet]

Epic

[vague dove]

I have 3 titans blood and not all the aspect, what’s the best to buy, ( and upgrade if i can ) to get the more blood as possible ?

I can play all weapon just wanna know if there is a very strong build that could bring me lot of blood to unlock the aspect i don’t have

[indigo tangle]

For the bow?

The second one

[main osprey]

don't get chiron unless you have more blood than that, imo

[weak violet]

Yeah, chiron is only good if its maxed pretty much

[stone harbor]

I would prohably get achilles, hera or nemesis for that much gold. Maybe also eris or hestia, but I pretty much never play rail

idk how good the rail ones are for one blood

I would not really go looking for op builds yet, just play more to find out what you like

[vague dove]

Its for any weapon, for now i just wanna get the more blood possible to get all the aspects

[stone harbor]

for getting as much blood as possible, beat the each of the possbile first bosses with all weapons

also beat the game

[cloud vault]

Zeus shield is pretty good on low blood

[vague dove]

Ok

[warped hound]

Zag Aegis is pretty neat

If you want the best cheap lvl5 aspect, I'd go for that

and then slap enemies to death

[stone harbor]

if you are going for a cast build you could go for poseidon as wel, just make sure to use a cast that gets stuck in enemies for now

[keen mesa]

zeus shield is the last aspect for shield that I maxed, and it's also now my favorite

I LOVE it

[stone harbor]

I like beowulf the most

[cinder wave]

How do you tend to build Zeus shield, @keen mesa?

[spiral badge]

If you’re looking to spend little blood

I second the zag shield suggestion

[vague dove]

Its the first i buyed and Its really fun to play i beated 2 time the game with it for now

[keen mesa]

I like to get lightning on special

[spiral badge]

Zeus is great for a 1-point wonder

[bronze heron]

Is Rail OP or have I just found a weapon I'm better with than others? New to the game and I struggle at Heat 8 with everything other than it.

[spiral badge]

But for 5 blood the Zag aspect is my favorite W+M1 build in the game

[keen mesa]

also you can get nearly any % damage increase on attack, then grab the hammer aspect that increases your next two attacks by 80% when your special hits

because your special constantly spins and deals fast damage

[stone harbor]

no weapon is op, you just seem to have found something for you

[keen mesa]

you'll practically always have 80% attack bonus

[spiral badge]

Just braindead easy and strong enough to clear anything

[warped hound]

You can also do slap shield with Beo

[spiral badge]

Beo is good too

[vague dove]

Everything seem same level, i mean Its not a broken game with op weapon they are all playable

[warped hound]

It's not as good a slap shield as Zag but Beo does a lot more than that in the same build

[spiral badge]

But if he has that little blood I’m not sure he has it unlocked yet

[bronze heron]

I was told that everyone thinks it's either trash or broken by friends
I guess I played enough Bulletstorm that reloads aren't a problem for me at all

[stone harbor]

beo can do huge damage with a dio build even at rank 1

[spiral badge]

Beo is zag shield but the secret sauce is the shield throw instead of the swing

[warped hound]

Well Zag is 5 blood maxed

[vague dove]

I just unlocked beo

[spiral badge]

But yeah zag for 5 blood is an A+ investment for a jack-of-all-trades stomper

[warped hound]

You just constantly cancel attacks into dash attacks with ruthless reflex

[stone harbor]

I would do dio cast with that, get dio/zeus and as m,any casts as you can

[warped hound]

and that's the entire gameplan for Zag shield, build whatever you want on it

[cinder wave]

How is Lucifer with Demeter attack and Arctic Blast? Seems like it could be okay, and you can aim for the legendary?

[spiral badge]

Zag shield MVP W+M1 build

Turn brain off collect win

I kind of frown on arctic blast in general

[stone harbor]

seems like a good idea, go for it

[spiral badge]

But Lucifer rail owns

And Demeter Lucifer owns

[keen mesa]

I am using Lucifer right now

[warped hound]

Used Demeter heroic attack on it yesterday, it's not amazing.

[keen mesa]

with artemis

and doing 1300 crits

[warped hound]

It's still not as good as Zeus for damage, or not as good as Poseidon for defense

[cinder wave]

Damn. I’m trying to figure out Lucifer builds that aren’t full Zeus.

[warped hound]

Supersoaker build

[true sphinx]

DIO

[warped hound]

Damage is not amazing but it has some defense

on attack unlike any other build

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/enwr9hf.jpg

[spiral badge]

I love Demeter for slow in general

[stone harbor]

supersoaker is fun

[cinder wave]

Dio with Low Tolerance worked pretty well at my heat level (20).

[warped hound]

Since Athena attack is practically useless on Lucy

[keen mesa]

right now my special is ticking for 196 damage

[spiral badge]

She’s second to Aphrodite for % increases on attack and I think chill is again second only to Deflect for defensive utility

[keen mesa]

and it can crit for 600, just on the tick

[warped hound]

Neither chill nor deflect have any use on Lucy attack

for defensive purposes that is

If you want to protect yourself by shooting go Don attack

[stone harbor]

how does chill have no use? I never tried it, but it seems like it should slow enemies all the same

[spiral badge]

Why wouldn’t chill? I count chill as a defensive measure in general

An extremely good one, at that

All that slow makes your life considerably easier

[warped hound]

Because chill is surprisingly nonfactor without staggers

Unless you have extra time at hand to constantly run away

[vague dove]

Which god give me more throw ?

[spiral badge]

Artemis

Also chaos

[vague dove]

It seem strong to have more than 1 with the shield

[cinder wave]

The sad thing about building Lucifer around Demeter for me is that there aren’t any great Duos.

Since you’re not focusing on cast.

[vague dove]

With beo shield i mean

[spiral badge]

Are you running regen casts?

[warped hound]

Cold fusion

[spiral badge]

Because otherwise you should be able to unlock 3 off the bat from the mirror

[warped hound]

Watch Hades commit aliven't with his beam attack

[cinder wave]

Cold Fusion with Zeus Special?

[spiral badge]

Lolllllll I haven’t thought of that

[cinder wave]

I’m assuming Demeter is on attack.

[warped hound]

With anything, Jolted lasts for 10 seconds

You can use Iframe dodge boon thingy if you really want to

And iframe the beam

[spiral badge]

Picturing zeus laughing himself hoarse as he electrocutes his brother down below for entertainment now

[warped hound]

I don't think it always works for some reason

There is a way to practically make him off himself from 50% with one attack

But I can't always reproduce it

Last time it worked I made him beam an invincible call

[keen mesa]

hrm?

https://imgur.com/xy5l2Lp.jpg

Yep. Divine Dash is the best

Well, actually, I'd have to divide clears by times used...

to find out which one has the highest win %

but even that doesn't say as much because of different heat levels

[weak violet]

Question: Does hestia power affect casts? Cuz i saw a comment something about how hestia works well with lightning phalanx

[vernal dune]

Hestia is only on the bullets

they mightve mistakenly said that when they meant Hera

[twin ice]

Idk if this is the right place to ask, but i was watching some videos and saw ppl getting Reroll with Keys / Random Level up with Nectar its a mirror thing?

[unkempt pagoda]

it's something you'll unlock via the house contractor

[twin ice]

oooh okay

tyvm

[unkempt pagoda]

👍 no problem!

[pseudo stream]

Chaos shield - what kind of build am I going for? this thing confuses me

[main osprey]

honestly, pretty much anything works. I'd try something like Demeter or Aphrodite on attack, and Zeus or Poseidon on special

[thick raptor]

Any particularly optimal weapons if going for a no boons of any kind run?

[main osprey]

I think hidden sword, or chaos shield if you're okay with it being slow

[vernal dune]

Hidden Sword with maxed Sisyphus trinket would be my guess

smash

[tame bison]

Oh wow I finally figured out how to enjoy Lucifer. Completely ignore the attack lol

[keen mesa]

YEP

although the attack is used to explode the special

if you want to do that

early

[main osprey]

or just use the specials to explode each other

[tame bison]

Lol Demeter trial will trigger your Lucifer bombs for you. That’s nice

[warped hound]

Any damage to them from you / opponents / environment will

Radiation damage from another bomb on another hand does not

[tame bison]

Is there a max number you’re allowed at once?

[warped hound]

Yes

[main osprey]

I want to say 3?

[warped hound]

Hunger on Varatha, guess it's time to meme with Achilles cast build again

[tame bison]

Meme high confidence guan Yu haha

[warped hound]

Already did, micromanaging health isn't very fun tbh

[tame bison]

I don’t really think of it so much as dodge everything? Dodging everything is fun to me

[warped hound]

Have to use spin when you take damage

thus waste time on using spin

: ^)

[vernal dune]

tfw i only use attack on Luci...

i just wanna use lasers like Dad

[tame bison]

I’ve tried a few attack variants and the play style just aggravates me

The special I’m okay with tho

[vernal dune]

I'm the opposite but my Luci is still Level 1

[rare kindle]

I just got hunting blades and vicious cycle in the same run

[vernal dune]

Please tell me you had Flurry Cast too

[rare kindle]

Sadly no

[vernal dune]

god i love being able to initiate The Blender

[rare kindle]

I didn't even mean to turn it into a cast build at first, but when artemis offers you hunting blades at the end of asphodel, you take the offer, no matter what your build was before

[vernal dune]

Exactly

When you get Hunting Blades you are now a Blade Rift build

All prior boons are now Obols at your nearest Purge station

[tame bison]

Boons from Chaos count for Boonless runs, yes?

[vernal dune]

I believe so

[rare kindle]

I wonder if it counts for dialogue with dad

[vernal dune]

Never seen one on offer at a Purge

[tame bison]

Yeah that’s what I mean

For the dialogue

[spiral badge]

So what’s the flavor in here between fated persuasion/authority

[thick raptor]

Unsure what works for dialogue as I had zero boons of any form when I hit him

[past raven]

Persuasion is 20% epic right?

[gusty rapids]

no thats gods pride, a different mirror ability

[spiral badge]

I’m so torn between them. Rolling boons is such a powerful tool for fishing for duos/legendaries but rolling rooms can let you really, really steer a run where you want

[vernal dune]

Persuasion is Boons and Authority is room rewards iirc?

[gusty rapids]

and persuasion is almost always better than authority

imo

[spiral badge]

And you get 8 freaking rolls. And each roll only ever costs 1

[gusty rapids]

the room rolling is not as important as getting the boons you need

[vernal dune]

I agree with croven

Boons can make or break a run

[main osprey]

I tend to stick with persuasion, yeah

[opal lodge]

especially since you can force gods anyway

[main osprey]

I can work with whatever the doors give me, but I want to get useful boons

[vernal dune]

^

[thick raptor]

Persuasion became my only choice once I stopped having 3 choices

[past raven]

You can also get more rolls from key chambers if you got it from the house contractor

[spiral badge]

Idk I used to subscribe to that exact philosophy but I reset my mirror and have been playing around with it and it seems like you can really focus down on whichever god you’re looking for. Not being able to roll boons is a drawback obv I think taking boons out of the offering pool by taking them and forcing more of the same god’s rooms down the line strikes me as a kind of rolling/RNG manipulation all its own

Like specifically Zeus comes to mind for me. If you’re on a Zeus run there

There’s really no bad choices, you just want more Zeus

[opal lodge]

that's a fair point

the thing is

even zeus boons

not all are created equal

[spiral badge]

Like I’m totally onboard that rolling boons is more powerful as an ability

[opal lodge]

and once you get your 4 god pool

[spiral badge]

But 8 damn rolls is a lot of manipulation

[opal lodge]

you are extremely likely to see more zeus

and you arent guaranteed to reroll into a zeus, even if you have your 4 god pool

[spiral badge]

True

It’s probably weaker overall

[tame bison]

Oooh Hoarding slash on a boonless attempt@lol

[vernal dune]

👀

[spiral badge]

I think arty applies too. Like, if I’m on an Artemis run, I could see not really caring which particular boons I get offered if it means I get 3 or 4 more additional boons of hers through a run

I think it’s an interesting option. I wonder how they could buff it to be more on par with rolling boons for power.

[past raven]

I did find that I ended up using persuasion more than authority when I had it

[spiral badge]

Same here

[vernal dune]

If it could upgrade blue laurel rooms into gold ones it'd be great

[spiral badge]

Like for me the fact that the cost doesn’t increase per-roll is a huge deal

Makes you much more liberal with manipulating your run

[opal lodge]

you also cant manipulate hermes

[spiral badge]

True there

Boo there

[opal lodge]

not being able to roll hermes boons is kind of sad

[vernal dune]

Hermes is like half the reason i live by Persuasion

[past raven]

One of the best uses I had for it was the first room in Elysium that I could rerool to get a hammer

[vernal dune]

No i dont need a faster special as Beowulf

[spiral badge]

I love being able to roll your way into double boon rooms

Spicy spicy

[noble tiger]

pro tip: dont take spread fire & explosive fire at the same time on the adamant rail

[faint flax]

AP2 with fated authority is ultimate “adapt to what you get”. Kinda fun if you like that kind of thing

[noble tiger]

same range as gloves basically

[sonic mural]

authority is kinda useless tbh what do you ever use it for

you always get enough boons to beat the boss at the end anyways

[spiral badge]

I think it’s worth more than people give it credit for

[sonic mural]

you can't get your core build online as fast, or at all

[past raven]

And if you get a really bad one you can just sell it

[opal lodge]

theres merit to authority on high heat i think

i dont think theres any point to running on it for low heat if youre going for speed or completion

[spiral badge]

I don’t know what you call “core” but for me that’s just getting the gods I’m looking for in roughly the slot I’m looking for which authority is kind of good for?

[sonic mural]

if you depend on a duo boon, or jolted for ur zeus attacks, or athena special or whatever

you want it by the first or second boss if possible

[spiral badge]

Why do you say that, specifically?

Curious

[sonic mural]

but you only get 3-4 boons before that, so you need to make each one count

[opal lodge]

AP2 really restricts your boons anyway, and if you're running a shackle build or other kind of RI pact

you really need the few boons you get

to be from the gods you want

since you dont get as many after losing dark foresight

but most people run persuasion anyway

because getting a bad purging pool with UC can just ruin your run

[warped hound]

Varatha meme run complete

posted in victories

[faint flax]

Would be interesting to see fated authority gain 2 rerolls from key, since it starts with 2x

[opal lodge]

true

fun balance suggestion

[turbid needle]

Could you share a Spear build to take the last boss? Zagreus Aspect

[sonic mural]

flurry aspect - zeus or serrated edge - artemis

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/a3qFqlp.jpg

well this isn't what I wanted to see on Chamber 7...

[warped hound]

Anything with exploding launcher. Zag spear is pretty mediocre.

It's practically a spear with no aspects, since it's hard to make use of special for dealing damage.

[sonic mural]

what does one run with hades spear?

[pseudo stream]

Hades spear is pretty versatile but personally I think I like generic Artemis Attack/Athena Special with their duo, personally

[sonic mural]

why athena on special?

[noble tiger]

im going for a merciful end build with zag sword, y'all think special athena or dash athena?

[eternal tangle]

Anybody got tips for fighting Theseus? That guy is driving me crazy. I only beat him once but just barely with the spear with a lot of artemis boons for crit and support arrow

[sonic mural]

first special athena, then dash

[eternal tangle]

And I'm trying to do a runu with the sword

[sonic mural]

#h1-for-new-players this channel allows spoilers of any kind so

[main osprey]

it's fine to ask here

[sonic mural]

ik but if hes new it might be better if hes not spoiled

[main osprey]

though yes, there is the risk of spoilers here

[warped hound]

Other than "learn to iframe the bull" - no

[noble tiger]

one thing that i've tried for a bunch of my runs is just look at a bunch of different gods pages and checked their duo boons and gone for a build with that

[eternal tangle]

Ah ok good to know I'll post in the new player chat next time

[keen mesa]

Yeah, but a builds and combat channel would be hard to talk in if spoilers weren't allowed 😉

[sonic mural]

focus on dodging the aoe attacks for theseus tho

[warped hound]

It's an iframe-heavy fight

[eternal tangle]

I've been doing my best, just getting behind him has been annoying

[warped hound]

unless you got a good build

[sonic mural]

his animation is he launches his spear

[eternal tangle]

The bull I've been having a mostly easy time with honestly

[sonic mural]

then walks for 5 seconds with his back to you

so you just hide behind a column, wait for him to throw spear, then dash out get a few hits

dash back behind

[noble tiger]

keep the pillars between you whenever there's the little cross on you

[warped hound]

@eternal tangle By far the easiest strat is to nuke him while he transitions into second phase

[noble tiger]

thats how you know he's targetting you

[warped hound]

Don/Ares calls and whatnot

[sonic mural]

its hard to nuke w/o a companion tho

[warped hound]

I think Don call without any bonuses has enough time to kill him

[sonic mural]

whats don call?

[warped hound]

Poseidon

[coarse moss]

if you stay far from him, he only ever does 1 thing, the throw. he cant do anything if you have pillar between you. just bait that and he will never do anything else

[sonic mural]

no way poseidon does 5k damage in 4 seconds

[coarse moss]

after every throw he will walk away from zag. always. thats when you hit him. he turns toward you, you run and bait the throw again

[warped hound]

Or do what's called a pro gamar move and just iframe his spins into backstabs while slapping his shield during the dash

to bite him into another spin and get him stuck in a loop

Doesn't work with slow weapons but oh well

[thick raptor]

I had an Eris build where Poseiden was hitting for 1k per hit, dont recall if I had bonus damage to bosses or not

[sonic mural]

eris gives a global buff to damage tho

[thick raptor]

So if you can get 4 hits in

[sonic mural]

and if ur using eris you probably have enough dps to kill theseus immediately w/o call

[pseudo stream]

ugh you know sometimes when you accidentally kill Theseus first? haha

my build went from meh to insane damage when I got serrated point and I didn't adapt quickly

[proven lily]

I've got the chaos shield which is supposed to give me +1 shield when using special after the charge, but it just doesn't - it throws one shield and that's it... maybe i'm doing something wrong? Or the translation is incorrect

[main osprey]

What are you trying?

How it should work, is you do your Bull Rush, then your next special throw after has the extra shields (note that they don't behave in the exact same way)

[proven lily]

so I'm doing the full charge (bull charge?) and then throw my shield

[main osprey]

after you do your bull rush, do you see some purple particles around you?

[proven lily]

yeah

[main osprey]

are you mid-run right now?

[proven lily]

oh see, it's not right after the rush, you gotta wait like 1 sec

[main osprey]

you shouldn't need to, hmm

[proven lily]

yeah, i've always tried to do just right after the rush (like in the training room), but to no avail

but now I've waited for a sec to see these purple particles and it worked

maybe it was a bug, seems to be working fine now... timing is a weird thing sometimes

is "After Party"'s life threshold means the maximum amount of health restored or how much hp you need to have left in order for it to be restored?

[main osprey]

you're restored up to that threshold

[red harbor]

any good speedrun recs?

builds i mean

[proven lily]

thanks Swan

[static ibex]

Ugh can't beat EM4 with Chiron and Artemis special. Time to try a different layout

Maybe Aprodite attack and Demeter special

[vernal dune]

Aphrodite and Dionysus

Get Low Tolerance

Bleed him out

[dry ember]

Check out speedrun.com/Hades

There are literally dozens of vods with good builds you can watch

Many of which sre totally replicable

[keen mesa]

https://imgur.com/FiGrNiW.jpg

which one?

[untold vortex]

point blank imo, but you do you ^_^

[keen mesa]

I got tired of waiting for an answer, so I took point blank too ;-D

[quick birch]

Any suggestions on bow builds? It's the last weapon I need to clear with.

[untold vortex]

which aspect are you using?

[quick birch]

I have the first three unlocked. Hera has my highest level, but I've been trying Chiron. But I'm not leaning towards one specifically.

Note: a lot of other weapons I've made through by dash attacking and here I really can't so it's been trying to figure out something else. I've made it to final boss three times I think using bow

[turbid needle]

Max level Zag Aspect does work with chaining Dash-Strikes.

Alternately, if you get lucky with a spawn Hammer and Flurry Shot you can just about do whatever.

[quick birch]

I've gotten flurry shot in the past and it's taken me furthest. Guess I need to grind some more titan blood.

[turbid needle]

Best part about Zag Aspects is you only need 5 TB to max it.

[dry ember]

Vanilla Bow: Deadly Strike/Hearthbreak Strike + Hunter Dash + Twin/Triple Shot
Hera Bow: Trippy Flare + Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast + Cold Fusion (+ Frost Strike + Electric Shot or some variations of this)
Chiron Bow: Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish + Heart Rend + Relentless Volley + Concentrated Volley

[opal lodge]

true, this is in fact the best part about them

[turbid needle]

A full third of them are solid 32+ Heat weapons. It's great.

[opal lodge]

i think all of them have cleared 45 heat at least

zag rail and fists might be missing at 50

but i think thats probably for lack of trying to some extent

[turbid needle]

Well, I meant for us regular folks.

[opal lodge]

my dream is to clear 50 heat with spread fire rail

[turbid needle]

Shouldn't it just be as simple as finding a file with a spawn Spread Fire?

[opal lodge]

spread fire is harder to use the higher you go

since you have to be in melee range

[turbid needle]

Ah, that's a good point.

[opal lodge]

but yeah id probably just seed for it on AP2 or something

[turbid needle]

Maybe I'm still refusing to see how it is now after how busted it was when it was first converted.

[tepid obsidian]

whats the best strategy to kill that big crystal in the first area (tartarus i think its spelled)

is this the right chat to ask in?

[opal lodge]

sure

so you should probably try to burst the armor asap

how far into the game are you?

[vernal dune]

doomstone?

focus the big one, ignore his mooks

just position yourself to not be in the lasers until you break the armor, THEN you can start doing cleanup

the minions he spawns will all come with armor so long as the main body still does

so once you break the armor the mini-crystals all pop real fast

[turbid needle]

I completely ignore the little ones

I don't even know what they do lol

[spiral badge]

To destroy the doomstone shoot at it until it dies

Preferably with an armor-shredding hammer, as said before

Also checking in to say that merciful end + doom + shield is still utterly broken like how is this in the game

[opal lodge]

have you tried ME fists

or sword

[spiral badge]

Fists are my favorite

I honestly find shield is a tad bit better for ME for reasons

Ooooo I haven’t played with sword much

[opal lodge]

what reasons would those be

[spiral badge]

Hmmmmm

[opal lodge]

ah

are you using divine dash

[spiral badge]

For having doom in the mix, I like having the multi-touch effect of shield special. Also makes ME a little more effective in my head given the shield has a bigger dash attack to apply Aphrodite with

Never take it off except for Gilgamesh, why?

[near schooner]

Quick question:
If I have all 3 death defiances full, and I pick up an Athena [replenish a death defiance] boon, what happens? +1 slot? nothing?

[spiral badge]

Also if ME is on the table that means Athena is in play which again generally means she should be in the attack slot. Bigger attack hitbox = bigger deflect

You should get the effect bonus but no DD to my knowledge

[near schooner]

OK. I'll avoid picking it up until I need it then

[spiral badge]

Also again Athena is a % boon which to me means more on shield than it does on fists, esp since my favorite shield is zag aspect for maximum W+M1

Little things

[opal lodge]

just proc ME with the dash on fists and its strictly better lol

[spiral badge]

Ahhhh I didn’t think about dash, good point

[opal lodge]

theres a reason why the best fists time this patch is a 6:3x and the best shield time other than beowulf isnt close

yeah getting the dash is big

[spiral badge]

I usually go for Athena attack if I’m trying to set up ME, I totally tunnel-visioned out of her dash

Thanks for the reminder!

[opal lodge]

it makes sense

since the dash no longer counts as a prereq

[random niche]

I'm all set to finish boonless, just have final boss to go! And just found out what happens when you pick up a pom with no boons

[main osprey]

yeah

[spiral badge]

So out of curiousity @opal lodge, what weapon class holds the best time generally?

[opal lodge]

eris rail

[spiral badge]

Ahhh, makes sense

[opal lodge]

eris rail is stupid busted in every sense of the word

broken as all heck

[spiral badge]

That modifier is as busted as ME

[sonic mural]

can anyone help review my general build guide chart plz?

[proven osprey]

where

[sonic mural]

idk what to put for 2 of them but the rest is there

[opal lodge]

missing flood flare beowulf 😠

[proven osprey]

maybe I'm tired but idk what's happening on spears

[sonic mural]

the zag spear i just put the guan yu aspect underneath

guan yu => heart rend

nothing for hades spear since idk what to put

then serrated edge/flurry jab w/ zeus/poseidon cast for archilles

[proven osprey]

yeah why

I'm keeping the link, will help after a bit of sleep

[sonic mural]

cuz i didnt see any point of using it

[proven osprey]

lmao

you're right tho

[sonic mural]

i did the same for zag gun

i just put eris underneath

[proven osprey]

Zag rail can go shotgun

bonus ammo is nice

[sonic mural]

hm ill put that then

[proven osprey]

and i think that's it

but kind of a meme tbh

it's that or just worse eris

[sonic mural]

if you've copied the link i'll delete it now i dont want anyone copying it or anything before i post

[drowsy stirrup]

ooh nice. thanks for the spreadsheet. I will updoot it on reddit for sure

[proven osprey]

yeah sure

[drowsy stirrup]

but you should really have a text version of it .. the images are confusing for most people

[opal lodge]

a spreadsheet is never going to be all comprehensive

some builds in here make sense

[drowsy stirrup]

builds are gonna be heavily heat dependant

[opal lodge]

others make slightly less sense

[drowsy stirrup]

h0 you can literally do anything

[opal lodge]

hmm

i guess

at h40 i mostly go for the same builds but with more athena

once i turn on AP2 there are no builds

[drowsy stirrup]

im only at h4, but i do each heat with each wep

[proven osprey]

The thing is

[sonic mural]

im just doing the core 2 god boons mainly

you can build whatever you want around it

[proven osprey]

You won't help anyone on GY saying that you should get charged skewer

And if you don't get charged skewer Aphro/Artemis is not your best options at all

[drowsy stirrup]

i mean.. that depends..

i will always reccomend doing prophecy stuff when you can

[opal lodge]

for example

while deadly strike pash dash is good on zag bow

deadly strike hunter dash is arguably more effective

as is heartbreak strike hunter dash

[sonic mural]

yah ive never used it i just put the WR one for now

[drowsy stirrup]

again.. if you are talking h40, you are correct, but if people are just doing achieve stuff on h0, who really cares

[opal lodge]

ignoring the flood flare omission, mistral dash is not and has never been recommended for beowulf

[sonic mural]

hm ok i'll fix that too

[opal lodge]

well then you could just say builds dont matter on h0

[proven osprey]

if it's h0, Aphrodite all weapons

[drowsy stirrup]

well.. they kinda don't?

[opal lodge]

ive done h0 with explosive shot tempest strike rama

well if they dont then you have to ask what this is trying to document

[sonic mural]

half of these weapons i haven't used yet so i just put some speedrunning builds in them

[opal lodge]

is it for speed? ease of use?

heat?

[sonic mural]

im thinking low-mid heat

[drowsy stirrup]

seems like a "how to get a decent few clears" document

[sonic mural]

but yah thats why i need help with it

because i dont really know half of the builds or weapon aspects

[drowsy stirrup]

at which point, half this stuff will not be attainable by the normal player

[opal lodge]

seems fair to get clears

cant go wrong with any of these

[sonic mural]

so what should i change about beowulf?

add in flood cast and then remove mistral dash?

[opal lodge]

mirage shot is core for flood flare and dio cast beo

doesnt matter for aphro beo

aphro beo just wants snow burst

dio beo is a complicated beast since it just wants an extra cast stone and mirage shot really

flood flare just wants mirage shot

[sonic mural]

so mistral dash only on aphro?

[opal lodge]

mistral dash does less than snow burst

you just need snow burst for aphro beo

[drowsy stirrup]

honestly, ill be super impressed if someone can get ME in a very low number of clears

[sonic mural]

is poseidon stygian or infernal?

[opal lodge]

infernal

[sonic mural]

how do you proc mirage shot on dio beo?

poseidon dash to get it?

[turbid needle]

You wouldn't want Tidal Dash.

Maybe Tempest Flourish.

[opal lodge]

usually special since its a dead boon anyway

dash is weird on beo

but serviceable

i like the slot for thunder dash if its an option

or drunk dash

to open up blackout

[turbid needle]

I've been falling in love with Drunk Dash.

[opal lodge]

like i said dio beo is a rabbit hole

[turbid needle]

That Black Out buff is something else, my gosh.

[opal lodge]

i like drunk dash too but taking it before mirage is risky

because you might get splitting headache instead

[turbid needle]

It even replaces and improves Boiling Blood.

[main osprey]

probably doesn't count for this :3 but in early access I actually got ME before my first clear

[drowsy stirrup]

@main osprey very nice. i just got my first ME when i was specifically going for it .. clear.. like... 25ish?

currently I am doing h0 runs to level up keepsakes and farm darkness

[frigid pewter]

How does flurry shot work on Rama

[opal lodge]

it doesnt

theyre incompatible

[frigid pewter]

Ah

is there a good aspect to get flurry shot with

[turbid needle]

Zag.

I'm not sure it's available on Rama, and it doesn't really do anything for Chiron or Hera except make Attack builds a little easier.

[opal lodge]

it isnt available on rama

[bronze marten]

First attempt at benefits package 2...oh boy

That was the first time Tartarus has been hard in months

[gusty rapids]

yeah once you turn on BP2, and maybe some FO

tartarus becomes difficult

witches ;_;

[rare kindle]

Boss fights became way more difficult once I turned on EM3 and FO1 on at the same time

[bronze marten]

Ended up being a breeze with zeus Eros rail, divine dash and level 3 athenas aid lol

[mint meteor]

Do certain builds work better with certain weapons and what would be a good damage build for the bow?

[pseudo stream]

depends which aspect! generally the most standard build in my experience appears to be Artemis attack, Aphrodite special, their duo boon, and athena dash

[mint meteor]

Sounds powerful

I'll work towards that

[pseudo stream]

that said, for Chiron and Rama things change a little

oh. and also Hera.

[mint meteor]

Alright

[pseudo stream]

so basically just base bow is that 😛

[echo radish]

Does eris affect hangover damage?

[pseudo stream]

I believe it's all damage

[vale oasis]

For chiron bow I'm currently using artemis attack and zeus special, their duo boon is not necessary but it's quite good
The zeus special covers the lack of AOE 😉

[pseudo stream]

Zeus special seems pretty bad cuz of the internal cooldown, no? zeus cast might work better

[echo radish]

It's bad yea

But chiron being stupid good, anything works

[vale oasis]

It's working pretty well for me

Well, i'm at 13 heat with it rn so idk, but it's always a massacre lol

[echo radish]

Got offered hazard bomb on eris, should I do it?

[main osprey]

for the meme

[vale oasis]

What is this internal cooldown?

[main osprey]

0.3 seconds between bolts on zeus flourish

[echo radish]

Every arrow won't trigger a bolt basically

So using other gods is recommended since they exploit the super high rate of fire better

[sonic mural]

does life affirmation work with cursed slash?

[sonic mural]

you can iframe the bomb and get the buff so its pretty good actually

[vale oasis]

Bruh

Does double strike helps it?

[sonic mural]

yah lol you only get one lightning bolt per special

[sonic mural]

well now you get 2 lightning bolts per special

[vale oasis]

Thats kinda lame

[desert shell]

I've been trying the zeus artemis for the machine gun thingu 😂

[rare kindle]

Well, life affirmation works with GY, you just don't get as much hp as you would normally but still more than you would get with GY/cursed

[echo radish]

I mean yea like o said Zeus on chiron isn't amazing but it works cause chiron is kinda stupid by itself

[desert shell]

I feel like the homing arrows plus the electric zeus offers is fun to watch

[sonic mural]

you can bring god keepsakes

[vale oasis]

I've tried artemis special but i struggle with the single target

[desert shell]

Also having athena aid is like the best against hades

[vale oasis]

Yeah definately

[echo radish]

I thought chiron special did very little damage

Is Artemis worth it?

[desert shell]

Also with the fast firing rate

[sonic mural]

i did the math once

i think aphro special actually does more

even if you have heartrend and pp

[desert shell]

You literally have 30 arrows flying on the screen t

😂

[sonic mural]

but i could be wrong

[vale oasis]

So like

[sonic mural]

but anyways heartrend is the conventional build

[vale oasis]

Artemis attack and aphro special would be the best?

[echo radish]

If you're going for heart rend just take aphro dash

[sonic mural]

attack doesnt matter, so put somehting that will proc PS on it

[desert shell]

I heard it's good

[echo radish]

You can dio special to get arty dio and aphro dio boons

[desert shell]

Aphrodite and artemis is good

[echo radish]

Which make you crit even more often

[sonic mural]

if you dont like single target, just go hidden bow tbh

mass damage and multiple target selection

[echo radish]

And dio aphro duo makes 8 stacks from chiron special which is pretty good too

[desert shell]

I have the bow with homing arrows

[vale oasis]

never tried it tbh

[vale oasis]

I could take athena dash and festive fog anyway couldn't i?

and aphro for special

[sonic mural]

i mean the whole point of chiron is stacking

so you want something that stacks

[echo radish]

You need hangover for the duos

[sonic mural]

aphrodite just does more on hit damage than heartrend

[echo radish]

Festive fog won't work

The idea of the build is to get hangover active on someone and then crit with your main attack while they're at 8 stacks

Divine dash is cool but for dio aphro and arty aphro duos you need to make sure your enemy is weak so passion dash is more reliable, though I guess you can make it work with cast too

[opal lodge]

you could pick up drunk flourish and trippy shot for some sick blackout damage

[echo radish]

Oh yea that actually sounds pretty insane

[opal lodge]

100 dmg hangover ticks

[echo radish]

Blackout makes all damage increase right? So you'd crit for way higher too

[opal lodge]

yeah its global

[echo radish]

Does DoT crit?

[vale oasis]

so summarizing, dio special, arty attack, aphro dash

[echo radish]

Like would my hangover crit if I have pressure points

Yea and dio cast @vale oasis

[modest portal]

So what is the tactic for the minotaur with the other dude? I beat them the first time kinda easily then every time I have failed since then.

[echo radish]

Just kill mino first

Ignore theseus since he can't shoot you behind pillars anyway

[vale oasis]

When you get marked hide behind pillars or dash

[modest portal]

When do you not dash? I feel like dashing is a constant state of being in this game

[vale oasis]

This boss fight is all about dashing until you kill Minos

Imo

[echo radish]

Also proto if you get offered ares go for curse of vengeance so you can get curse of nausea

Hunting blades are pretty sick too so maybe ares cast works too?

[modest portal]

What is the difference between raising a boon in rarity and raising a boon in level when offered the chance?

[echo radish]

I don't remember the entire thing but higher rarity is generally better than higher level cause levels are diminishing returns

You realistically never want to upgrade a boon beyond like lv3 I think

[modest portal]

So what option is considered best from Eurydice?

[echo radish]

Don't know, I always go for the last one cause it almost guarantees duo or legendary if you have the prerequisites

[vale oasis]

I think curse of nausea is better

[echo radish]

For curse of nausea you need to have curse of pain vengeance or agony

[modest portal]

I haven't gotten to the point of having curses or heat

[echo radish]

Curses are ares boons

Agony is special, pain is attack and vengeance is revenge

It's just what they're called lol

[vale oasis]

Maybe revange?

To not mess with the build

[echo radish]

Yes that's why I told you to pick curse of vengeance lol

[magic glen]

Unsure if answered, but rarity is a higher base. Leveling up is a %. So (making up numbers), if you have a common rarity attack boost of 40% and level it to 2, it goes to 45. But at epic rarity is 50% at level 1. Also some things can't be leveled, so the rarity matters, like hermes boon that grants extra dash. Common = 1, blue + 2, purple 3, etc.

[tame bison]

Do you guys take a Pom over Sisyphus on a 9 minute timer? I think I’d rather have Pom over 100g right now bc I can put it on attack/special that I want

[vale imp]

Really depends on how much you need the Pom

[cunning urchin]

I don't really care about the timer at all when I play with TD1, I just do whatever I feel like.

[vale imp]

9 minutes is pretty long thbh

i forgot swearing wasn't allowed 😂

[tame bison]

Yeah I don’t care about 9’min agree

Ooof. Hera bow run and I had Dio epic cast+Zeus boons

But I’m being offered heroic Aphro cast lol

Scintillating Feast vs Aphro heroic...

@cunning urchin worth keeping for Feast potential or should I take heroic aphro cast

19 Heat btw so nothing fancy

[dry ember]

if you are not speedrunning, scin feast with trippy shot is more fun imo

[tame bison]

I have Zeus special and Dio cast now so I’m set up to find the Duo

[cunning urchin]

I would replace every boon with Lady Aphrodite boons if I had the choice.

[tame bison]

Lol

[cunning urchin]

So obviously you should do that.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[dry ember]

yeah was about to say, if it's up to her it's aphro all the way down

[echo radish]

So you know the chaos boon that prevents you from getting money, will it affect the pool of purging too?

[tame bison]

Yeah i think aphro cast is objectively better, but as you said, Dio is more fun

[echo radish]

That is if I use the pool will I not get money?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[tame bison]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite boons are more fun.

I think no money and more foes are probably the two worst curses.

[tame bison]

Has anyone done the math on when +1 cast is better than +%dmg? Is the answer “always”?

serious question

Like 50% bonus dmg on 3 casts is 150% more dmg and 1 cast is 100% more dmg?

Or is that not additive

Bc math hard

[fair cairn]

it's not always about pure damage numbers

[echo radish]

I think I'd rather have a stronger cast than more casts simply because I don't wanna spend too much time casting

[fair cairn]

sometimes the QOL benefit of +1 cast is also important

it depends tbh

[tame bison]

Yeah sorry here I have Hera bow with Dio cast and feast so I think blanketing the world in Fog is actually better than 66% cast damage