each cast also cooldown individually
#h1-builds-and-combat
left wyvern
Imagine that with hunter blades
With enough cooldown reduction and time you can probably put a stupid amount of casts into one shot
frosty crane
Any tips for a pierced butterfly run?
coarse moss
use mirror high confidence, use fiery presence so trash mobs die fast. use a weapon you know you how to avoid get hit easily
bronze bobcat
If i'm going for a chaos aspect build which hammer would be the best to get
coarse moss
not a fan of butterfly though. if you play so carefully trying to avoid damage, it makes the run slower
frosty crane
Im trying for a change, since my playstyle is quite... "rush headlong and do lots of murder"
coarse moss
might be fun with a maxed hard labor + lasting consequence . up the stakes 
frosty crane
You sadistic high heat monsters 
proven osprey
Guan Yu is fun for butterfly
This run was a challenge
As you can see it's very slow even with ME/Skewer
might have been a 4 sack and deadly flourish would have been better
But yeah, butterfly is no control over your boons lol
vagrant dagger
Question about Privileged Status: is the bonus damage applied to the hits that apply Privileged?
untold vortex
I don't think so (not 100% certain)
vagrant dagger
And on the flip side, if the status debuffs are Doom + 1, does Doom's damage do bonus Privileged damage?
Thanks
proven osprey
The hit that applies PS won't benefit from it
vagrant dagger
Ah ok. Just wondering since I've seen debuffs/damage application treated differently in other games and wanted to confirm
Before I do stupid things with this Hera build
left wyvern
Bow special feels kinda lackluster
proven osprey
I would consider PS more if it would proc on the first hit
left wyvern
The damage isnt great unless you land all the hits
And normal attack is even stronger
coarse moss
if the hera strike applies priviledged, then the cast that comes after can benefit, at least i think
stone harbor
You can trigger merciful end instantly with ares attack and athena cast, so priviledged should should work for the cast too
On hera
cosmic hornet
doom proc takes into account PS even if if there's only one more other status iirc
athena cast needs the weakness boon for it to apply ps though
vagrant dagger
Ah. Depending on how it works I can just shoot at enemies or I would have to dash at them to apply a 2nd status first.
I have Hera bow with chill on special, rupture on dash, and exposed on cast.
cosmic hornet
you probably want to hit rupture before shooting then
echo radish
thoughts on athena cast?
oak ridge
coarse moss
there is no escape
sonic juniper
thoughts on athena cast?
I like it, more for defense than offense. I cast when an enemy is about to shoot at me.
Also, for backstab casts on Hera build.
undone sparrow
the posseidon/zeus dual boon is really strong on the rail
cloud vault
It's strong on Eris
turbid needle
Poseidon/zeus duo is the best thing, only rivalled by artemis/ares
left wyvern
Does stubborn defiance work with the boons that give you a buff after a defiance proc
errant narwhal
yes
left wyvern
So you could just die every chamber and get the buff each time
stone harbor
If you are below the hp SD revives you at after finishing a room, you should be suiciding
left wyvern
If you do that every room the buffs probably add up a lot
stone harbor
Pretty sure the buffs reset after you are done with a room
left wyvern
Oh nvm then
little quiver
If i want to do some runs to max out my mirror and farm the other meta currencies what gods/keepsakes should i pick?
So far ive been starting with poseidon and took the coin purse somewhere on the way to give me a boost for the last shop. Any other things i should do?
fair cairn
get chaos, roll for +darkness
that + poseidon and all boss kills can easily net you 1K+ per run on 0 heat
always use the +20% weapons
little quiver
So i should get the mirror thing to reroll boons?
And is there a trick to finding nectar rooms or do i just have to get lucky? Cause im always really low on nectar
crimson trail
You have fated persuasion and authority. I believe persuasion let's you re roll the choices (e.g., boons and shops) whereas authority lets you re roll the rooms, so you'd want that one
Also, there's a mirror perk that gives you an increase to "this is the run" rooms (hammers, poms, etc) OR the other type of room. You want the other type (blue laurels I think)
Since nectars and stuff would be in the latter
coarse moss
get the contractor upgrade that gives gems from bosses. its great for getting things from wretched broker
i got all the nectar needed from broker
stuck estuary
How does Vicious Skewer hammer work with Achilles' spear exactly?
little quiver
Thanks ill do that
coarse moss
havent tried that imdes, but i imagine you get crit chance when you raging rush
little quiver
And should i take deep pockets or the alternative to make sure i can always buy the titans blood or dia in charons shop
Im usually able to make it with deep pockets and the purse but came up short a few times
turbid needle
the 15% one is good but means you aren't buying anything until styx
little quiver
Ill give it a shot then since i mostly skip shops on my farm runs anyway
coarse moss
it certainly gives you more money than deep pockets. deep pockets is a strong start though
proven lily
Has anyone found"Cold Embrace" duo boon (where the beams follow you) from Aphrodite and Demeter any helpful? I was sooooo disappointed with it. It might help in some cases, but mostly it felt so useless
coarse moss
havent tried cold embrace, but i imagine dropping 3 beams in one spot, and then dash thru the enemy and hug it. if you upgraded beam to cause chill and the chill blast sounds strong
proven lily
yeah maybe... the issue is you gotta think about the placement of both the beams and yourself, while with the regular ones it's chaotic but you can sort of place them in a circle and keep fighting
coarse moss
yeah, its bad if you wanted to leave beams and run around, but its great dps if you just drop beams then dash thru the enemy, focusing all beams on that one target
crimson trail
Yeah I kinda liked that one but I get why people don't. I liked dropping them on either sides of the arena then dashing around. You can kinda control/aim it that way
tame bison
For Nemesis, do I want Epic aphro special or epic aphro dash? I assume it’s an easy special but this is an opportunity to actually USE her dash lol
coarse moss
hunter dash hehe
tame bison
Yeah nemesis needs hunter dash badly I assume
honest wing
dont you hate it when you dont get that one specific boon that you wanted
like
Im aspect of poseidon cast build with athena cast and I didn't get exit wounds or the swift cas
that's so stupid mad
I have so many other artemis and hermes boons
but I didn't get those
didn't have enough rolls ig
and gotta farm darkness for that
oh I beat hades tho
tame bison
In general: 20% move speed boon vs +1 dash?
honest wing
I would take dash
turbid needle
^
ruby tundra
Hidden fists aspect is supposed to not be the best, I guess, but it's the one I win the most consistently with, haha
keen mesa
the attacks hit hard and the special hits really hard
ruby tundra
I tried to do a blade dash build on it and only got two ares boons but still wrecked house
keen mesa
if you are pro at avoiding being hit, then it's probably amazing
because 25% more damage on enemies PLUS the huge 400 damage at the end
exotic robin
What is a reliable demeter fist build? I strugglr to do well with that weapon
ruby tundra
I suck at not getting hit, but getting constant +50% dodge helps
And Maim counts as a status effect :D
Aphrodite on special is two status boons right there
Dash boons stack with Lightning Reflexes too, sooooo.... Yeah
I love that you get so much flexibility tho, since basically any dash boon works well with it
Going for Zeus dash is funny too because it's just lightning erryday
It's just ridiculously fun and flexible
Though I do have a question: does the initial boon you take count towards your four "god slots"? Do ones from the shop?
keen mesa
the four god slots are made up of attack/special/cast/call
ruby tundra
Hmm
keen mesa
so if the initial boon you take doesn't fit into any of those, then no
ruby tundra
Should I focus on getting those four filled ASAP? Like, will that give me more consistent gods?
keen mesa
it will give you those four gods exactly
ruby tundra
Hmmm
keen mesa
as long as you have one of those empty, you'll get a random god, 1/8 chance (8 gods)
once those are all filled, it's 1/4, from those four
ruby tundra
If I'm building an Ares build on most weapons I know you want lots of Ares stuff
ruby tundra
sorry, there are five slots: attack, special, cast, ash, and call
Oh. But I know there's a pool of four gods you get locked into
... God dammit. All of those different possible builds keep me coming back to this game, haha
warped hound
What are the best specials for Rama? Dio/Zeus?
stone harbor
So I have chiron with ares special. Do I try for boring curse of longing meta stuff or do I try getting athena attack for merciful end memes?
coarse moss
What are the best specials for Rama? Dio/Zeus?
both work well. if you go zeus, with arty on attack you can try for lightning rod
warped hound
I mean, do any other specials work
I know those two are good, but I'm looking for other possibilities because Rama is a massive meme
And I need all the edge I can get to progress my heat runs
keen mesa
my heat varies wildly between weapons
I'm at like 18 on sword but only 10 on spear
and even less on rail
vapid yacht
I'm only at 3 heat now but at least sword puts you at risk of taking damage
The Nemesis Dash-Strike build is kind of janky but it does a lot
keen mesa
hrm, oddly enough, I do better with sword and fist which puts me close to enemies
rather than other weapons
vapid yacht
I've only done Demeter aspect for Fists but that also puts you at risk
little quiver
i found a real fun built for the chiron bow, took the artemis special with aphros attack
and then pushed a bunch of poseidon boons into my dash and took all the knock back and knocking enemies into walls boons, really worked well to clear most rooms except when there were a lot of armored enemies
turbid needle
I love sword
tame bison
If I want to meme High Confidence Guan Yu..does that run stubborn defiance?
tame bison
I’m just at heat 10
proven osprey
ok so go for DD
keen mesa
high confidence GY means you PLAN on not getting hit...
proven osprey
it's a mentality ignite
keen mesa
yeah, I fail every time 😉
proven osprey
you can if you're good with spins
tame bison
Ah true
proven osprey
GY is nice with DD since you can keep em
tame bison
And if I’m planning on not getting hit anyways ehhh
coarse moss
I know those two are good, but I'm looking for other possibilities because Rama ...
sorry not sure what massive meme means in this context 😆 Tailesque did Rama 50 heat and the strat is shattered shackle all the way
tame bison
Mmm do I rare crop epic Aphro special and trippy shot over epic Frost Strike? I feel like I don’t
I don’t care about trippy
proven osprey
heartbreak flourish is really good
tame bison
Already epic tho. So just epic to heroic
proven osprey
oh yeah then no
tame bison
Alright see how many DD I use on Meg lol
Yay zero
Not hitless
But at least that lol
keen mesa
Although I think zeus special is better with something like lightning
I'm not complaining here
it does a lot of damage
west charm
So my run strategy seems to be "start with Dionysus keepsake to get the Strong Drink as early as possible, then buff HP whenever you can"
noble tiger
Low tolerance is a pretty solid duo boon, highly recommend
magic glen
so can someone explain what the rarities mean on boons? I had the demeter one that raises rarity, but I never noticed any real change?
tranquil violet
Higher rarity = better base numbers
magic glen
So, if i already own it, does it upgrade the base?
keen mesa
what?
tranquil violet
Poms don't affect as many numbers as rarity can though
magic glen
the demeter thing reset a boon to common and upgrades every 3 encounters
keen mesa
the demeter one rare crop will increase the levels of ones you already own, the number of boons it affects is based on the rarity of Rare Crop
tranquil violet
Yeah.
noble tiger
A common aphrodite special would give you like 80% while an epic one would give you like 150%
keen mesa
Yes, but it takes 9 encounters to go from common to heroic
tranquil violet
Rare Crop = Auntie Demeter's Stash 👀
keen mesa
EACH chamber in styx is equal to one encounter for Rare Crop
noble tiger
going between common -> rare only adds like 20-30% which is not that much, but it adds up very fast
keen mesa
other things, like Plume keepsake, treat only the last chamber as an encounter
noble tiger
well i mean its a lot but its not super noticeable
tranquil violet
Butterfly and Plume = each Styx tunnel
Pom Blossom/Rare Crop = each Styx room
Imagine not running Pom in Styx. :p
magic glen
i just recognize instantly like on hermes stuff, the dodge % and extra dashes
numbers are't giantly noticeable to me yet, only like 25 runs in
keen mesa
For example Jack
my Deadly Flourish is at level 10
Artemis's abilities always have super low % increases
because of the crit chance
magic glen
ho you get to level 10? lol
stone harbor
get lots of poms
keen mesa
it normally starts at like uh, 50 or 60% or something
stone harbor
isn't it 40 at common?
keen mesa
Greatest Reflex is an example of a Boon that doesn't have levels, but it has rarities
magic glen
yah reflex is pretty
keen mesa
so you can't level up Greatest Reflex to get more dashes, you need to upgrade the rarity to get more dashes
turbid needle
Did you sell your other core boons
keen mesa
Yeah, because I'm using Pom Blossom
which means I want Pom Blossom hitting only the boons I want
so I sell all the other ones
and take boons that it can't level up
turbid needle
magic glen
also, how are you getting it to show multple boons? I only have switch version, so i only see one at a time
stone harbor
you can only get heroic greatest reflex by getting the epic one and upgrading with euridic, right?
keen mesa
or Demeter Rare Crop
stone harbor
true
keen mesa
in the Boon menu (B on keyboard) you can select each Boon to "lock it" and then do that to each one you want
on switch I don't know what the button is
but I assume it's there
magic glen
oh ok, i'll look and see fi that's avail when i play later
real kernel
Having just won with it again, I feel like they really should nerf Cursed Slash.
keen mesa
the less boons you have that can be upgraded with levels also means the greater chance that when you get a pom of power, you'll see your boon listed that you want to upgrade
real kernel
It's way too good
keen mesa
You need super fast attack with it though
because if you don't have enough health, you'll just get one shot
real kernel
Even Holy Excalibur can do that
keen mesa
well, excalibur has 40% damage reduction, which helps a lot 😉
more time to recover health
real kernel
You don't need to tank everything just because you can heal it
keen mesa
but if you get one shot, recovering health won't matter lol
real kernel
You should still be dodging basically every attack
It just makes mistakes easy to recover from
keen mesa
mistakes are what I'm talking about, lol
if you can already dodge every attack, cursed slash does nothing
real kernel
Too easy, I think.
real kernel
Guan Yu is underwhelming, yeah
keen mesa
well, correction, I like guan yu, but not for the life recovery...
the basic attacks are awesome, the special is awesome
real kernel
Charging the spin attack leaves you wide-open, and the massively reduced Health means you need it
real kernel
Yeah
keen mesa
and once you go into panic mode "I need to recover health!" you end up losing more
trying to hit with the spin
real kernel
Cursed Slash is much easier to work with, since you can get in a few attacks then back off
I feel like the Aspect of Guan Yu often leaves you breaking even in terms of health
So you are constantly almost-dead
Cursed Slash is probably supposed to be like that, but it is way too easy to remain at full health
I think they should halve the healing rate: +1 per attack
real kernel
Changing the subject, Forced Overtime is not as terrifying as I expected.
I was pretty sure it'd be a nightmare in Asphodel against the Bone-Rakers, and I was totally right
But against other enemies, I didn't really feel it
And yet it is the only Condition that starts out giving you 3 Heat
stone harbor
because it is harder than any of the others excpet heightened security
real kernel
Is it?
It clearly is meant to be
Maybe I'm just good at relying on tells rather than timing
crimson trail
I thought cursed slash was easy mode the first time I used it, but the second time, I got one-shotted by Hades so it didn't matter lol
coarse moss
imagine cursed slash with hard labor
tame bison
On like Heat 15, Arthur, first room: do you take Erebus Gold or Artemis boon?
I got shadow slash hammer fwiw
cunning urchin
---
Though I _do_ have a question: does the initial boon you take count towards ...
Yes. The game will give you boons from random gods until you have boons from 4different gods. Lord Hermes and Master Chaos don't count. If you're interested, you could try the Hades Monthly Challenge in the pins to get 9 different gods or even all 10. 
cunning urchin
as long as you have one of those empty, you'll get a random god, 1/8 chance (8 g...
That's the first time I've heard of core slots having anything to do with it. Where did you get that from? 
tame bison
Triple shot or Power Shot for Rama?
opal lodge
triple
turbid needle
could you recommend an optimal build with sword and spear?
sonic mural
what aspect?
also cursed slash with excalibur LOL
and cursed slash really falls off when the bosses can burst you down faster than healing
tame bison
Does +4 special shots do anything for Rama?
Like...they bounce to more targets or something
sonic mural
if ur looking for your first clear, prolly not tbh
gusty rapids
Does +4 special shots do anything for Rama?
relentless volley is usually kind of pointless on Rama unless you’re going for a special-centric build, like zeus special or Dionysius special or something
sonic mural
its pointless on zeus special is it not since theres a .2 sec delay
gusty rapids
oh I’m not actually entirely sure if it’s fast enough for that delay
haven’t played with it enough
regardless relentless isn’t something you’re looking for w Rama
tranquil violet
Rail players on Switch:
What do you map reload to?
Right stick press is just horrible.
tame bison
Thanks Croven
frail schooner
Does +4 special shots do anything for Rama?
only with frost flourish
tame bison
Trying to stack to 10 for the legend I guess, Rigged?
Or the explosion thing at 10 chill
versed spoke
Yo. I'm seeing this guy Tailesque destroying this game in hell mode 60 heat using the aspect of Rama.
tranquil violet
Yo. I'm seeing this guy Tailesque destroying this game in hell mode 60 heat usin...
He is the WR holder at 50 heat. By a wide margin.
12m54s, vs 2nd place of 15m26s
opal lodge
yes tailesque is the high heat overlord
tame bison
Yeah he’s way way better than you.
versed spoke
So. Rama may just be the best weapon in teh game
opal lodge
i think bablo has an unsubmitted 2nd place
tranquil violet
What works well at high heat and for pros may not work well at low heat or for you.
wanton comet
what is Rama?
opal lodge
rama has a steep learning curve
versed spoke
what is Rama?
the final bow
tranquil violet
Yeah I find it fun but I haven't learned how to use it effectively.
Shared suffering is tricky to use well
wanton comet
final bow?
tranquil violet
The hidden aspect.
opal lodge
ive done 45 heat with it and still feel like im scratching the surface with it
versed spoke
Rama is the only bow I've killed Hades with
wanton comet
oh
opal lodge
theres a lot to learn
wanton comet
I got the one for the spear
tranquil violet
Bow is my best weapon but I mostly use Hera/Chiron
wanton comet
don't know how to get others
tranquil violet
The spear is the first one
You'll get the others randomly from certain characters.
Just keep playing and talk to everyone when you get the chance (mostly to hear the great dialogue) and you'll get them.
versed spoke
Guan Yu is my favorite spear by far
wanton comet
I got the quick charge upgrade
tranquil violet
Hidden sword comes from ||Nyx||
Hidden bow comes from ||Artemis||
Hidden shield from ||Chaos||
Hidden fists from ||Asterius||
wanton comet
I probs want the hidden gauntlets and rail cause those are my best weapons.
tranquil violet
Hidden rail from ||Zeus||.
versed spoke
I probs want the hidden gauntlets and rail cause those are my best weapons.
hidden gauntlets give you +2 dash
sonic mural
ehhh the playstyles change significantly
tranquil violet
Yeah most hidden aspects really drastically affect playstyle.
sonic mural
just because they're "hidden" doesnt mean theyre necessarily "better", theyre just different
tranquil violet
Yeah.
versed spoke
Yeah. All hidden easpects are great except for Rail Gun
tranquil violet
Though they're all pretty good.
Hidden rail can be a lot of fun with the right setup.
You just need some hammers
Triple bomb makes it infinitely better
versed spoke
Na. I like my weapons a bit more independant
wanton comet
I want to try triple bomb with hazard bombs
versed spoke
Hammers are fun, but when it turns into a crutch, nah
tranquil violet
Hazard Eris = best build
sonic mural
lol
wanton comet
Eris?
tranquil violet
Eris rail
versed spoke
Eris is such a beast
tranquil violet
Eris rail and Rama bow are probably the "best" weapons.
wanton comet
which one is the eris rail?
tranquil violet
In terms of their use in speed runs and at high heat.
sonic mural
why would you run hazard on eris
tranquil violet
The one where (at max level) standing in your special explosion gives you +75% damage for 4 seconds
ON EVERYTHING
sonic mural
4 seconds
tranquil violet
Oh right 4 sorry
versed spoke
it got nerfed right?
wanton comet
oh
versed spoke
down to 4 seconds?
wanton comet
the bomb buff one
sonic mural
not like it makes a difference
versed spoke
I remember it being 7 seconds
tranquil violet
Yeah that 75% also applies to say, calls :p
I don't know if it applies to companions, does it?
sonic mural
it doesnt
tranquil violet
but why would you run hazard on it
Hazard Eris is just a meme.
It's an absolutely brain dead idea.
versed spoke
I like the rocket hammer for eris
tranquil violet
Though imagine getting stuck with it due to Approval Process. 
Or whatever it's called.
wanton comet
Im going to do a hazard eris to prove a point
tranquil violet
I just can't get into Rocket Eris
wanton comet
I'll make it work
sonic mural
im so used to the aiming system of bombs
versed spoke
I just can't get into Rocket Eris
waeh
tranquil violet
I know people consider it great but it's hard for me to keep my boost going
sonic mural
that i cant really hit any rockets
tranquil violet
im so used to the aiming system of bombs
This
sonic mural
unless its cluster
versed spoke
I shotgun the rockets
sonic mural
then i can spam them lol
tranquil violet
Yeah rocket + triple/cluster = explosive shotgun mode
Hazard Eris should be a speed run category
Or at least a Hazard Eris for Charity livestream to raise money for victims of land mines.
frail schooner
you still get the boost if you i frame it
sonic mural
so its basically a suicide run
versed spoke
thats crazy
sonic mural
oh didnt know htat
frail schooner
hazard eris is not that hard to use tbh
versed spoke
you dash when the bomb lands?
frail schooner
i actually use it unironically
dry ember
yup
versed spoke
beautiful
frail schooner
it’s a 700 dmg explosion without boons pretty sure
versed spoke
can you get hazard rocket?
dry ember
no
wanton comet
ok, I'm getting excited with this Guan Yu run
versed spoke
nooooooooo
wanton comet
I got the curse of Longing in Tarturus
versed spoke
whenver I get cursed slash with Arthur, I know I've won
"Ok underworld, just give up. I have cursed arthur"
You stand inside the special, taking barely any damage while healing yourself. Insane
sonic mural
u get like 6 health back every 15 seconds it takes for ur attack animation to complete
versed spoke
its not that bad
dry ember
Cursed Arthur is like Hazard Eris to me. Major downside that can be negated somewhat. Some upside that is nice.
I henceforth categorize the build as "niche" tier.
versed spoke
the most I've ever healed is the cursed zagreus with the hammer that lets you hold down attack and spam it forever
frail schooner
cursed arthur is a meme, hazard eris is almost as good as cluster imo
toxic sun
Hey, question about the shattered shackle keepsake. Its description says "Your Attack, Special, and Cast each deal 50% damage while not empowered by a Boon" at lvl 1. So its effect goes away if I get any boon? Or does it only affect the attribute that the boon empowers? (i.e. I get the Dionysus boon that makes my attack poisonous. Does that remove the 50% buff only to my attack, or does it negate the keepsake entirely?)
frail schooner
Hey, question about the shattered shackle keepsake. Its description says "Your A...
It’s individual
You get drunk strike, you no longer get the attack % but your special and cast still do +50% (100% at max)
toxic sun
oooh nice
wanton comet
I might have to try it then
that sounds so sweet for my cast and special
barely use the things
frail schooner
Also it only considers the core slots
Chaos boons and hunter dash don’t affect shackle
toxic sun
so if I get drunken dash for example, it wouldn't do anything to the keepsake then
frail schooner
correct
versed spoke
oh wow
frail schooner
it’s 100% at max level
so it’s used a lot in high heat where you get a lot less boons
dry ember
And it stacks with Hunter Dash
versed spoke
the game should come with a link to this discord for the sake of clearing stuff like that up
dry ember
😎
dry ember
the game should come with a link to this discord for the sake of clearing stuff ...
It literally does xD
versed spoke
for real?
dry ember
yeah
wanton comet
yeah
versed spoke
Not on the switch
wanton comet
that's I found this discord
dry ember
Not on the switch
oh im not familiar with the swtich version
dry ember
damn I wish I own a switch for rogue games
versed spoke
Oh yeah.
dry ember
is a discord for switch?
versed spoke
No. I found this discord cuz I was desperate for information
so I googled it
"hades is difficult, please halp"
dry ember
yeah makes sense. on PC there is a discord symbol on the bottom of the main menu
if you click on it you get an invitation here
versed spoke
On switch you get a link to Never Gonna Give you up
dry ember
even better
versed spoke
what's and "unseeded" run?
dry ember
yeah
tranquil violet
Cluster Bomb + Dio cast + Zeus/Dio + Artemis/Zeus is just...
SO MANY PROJECTILES
Oh and mirage shot too
So the trippy shots are doubled up
Pro: melts rooms
Con: can't see literally a single damn thing
dry ember
So essentially, random numbers are not true random, they can be determined if you know the seed. Usually the seed is very difficult to know so in that sense, you can't predict the RNG.
Back to Hades, the game involves a lot of random numbers (random boos, random encounters, etc.) , but if you seed a run (aka you set/know the seed), you can make sure the outcomes are the ones you desire. (In reality, it's a bit more complicated than this but this is the gist). Seeded runs give you nicer stuff, in general.
Unseeded runs are runs that are like a normal run. You don't know what you will get, the randomness you get, for all practical intent and purposes, are "true" random, or random enough. @versed spoke
Hope this makes sense.
tame bison
Does Zeus shield “shotgun”where you can hit one target with all 5 shields at close range
tranquil violet
Just got Splitting Bolt too now
Low vis mode is fully engaged
Can't see a single darn thing
Don't need to see what's dead
opal lodge
Does Zeus shield “shotgun”where you can hit one target with all 5 shields at clo...
chaos but yeah
tame bison
Oh right
toxic sun
So essentially, random numbers are not true random, they can be determined if yo...
To complement that information: If you start a run with a seed, and you do your normal movements and get your boons, it will be "random", but if you start another run with the same seed, and do exactly the same movements and decisions that you did in your last run, then the game is going to give the exact same boons and enemies it gave you the last run.
tranquil violet
Anyone else notice that the arena you fight Hades in is vaguely shaped like Texas?
tranquil violet
In all directions
Calm down Satan
versed spoke
So essentially, random numbers are not true random, they can be determined if yo...
Yeah. In pokemon they count the steps and manipulate item order. I guess that lets them control the seed
dry ember
yup, exactly the same idea.
In Hades, seeded runs mean you set a seed so that your first boon is exactly what you want.
Then you also have routed runs which means you manipulate the RNG beyond the first boon. The way you do this is via casting, breaking pots, dialogues, etc.
tranquil violet
It's just a question of what feeds the PRNG (or causes it to advance)
In Hades it's only (?) the choices made in terms of doors and boons
nova shale
How bad is it to completely ignore you weapon aspect in your build?
versed spoke
But if you seed a run, you're doing a choreography of sorts rather than playing, or no?
nova shale
I ran Hera bow but ended up having a Demeter special and that one perk that decays when everyone's chilled and using that for a bit
I think I later grapped aphrodite cast though
toxic sun
But if you seed a run, you're doing a choreography of sorts rather than playing,...
Pretty much, but it's quite useful for speedrunning
opal lodge
But if you seed a run, you're doing a choreography of sorts rather than playing,...
theyre just different categories
one nice thing about seeding is it removes a lot of the more frustrating RNG elements of the game
toxic sun
rng can (and will) destroy many perfect runs
dry ember
But if you seed a run, you're doing a choreography of sorts rather than playing,...
Worth noting: seeded runs in Hades means first boon only
opal lodge
so its purely about how you perform vs the enemies youre against
dry ember
Routed runs mean beyond first boon.
versed spoke
How can I seed my run on switch for hades
tame bison
Is brilliant riposte worth taking with Holy Shield plus Revenge duo? Like I never deflect melee attacks, but here I actually could. Other choice is 5% damage reduction
versed spoke
Reroll?
dry ember
How can I seed my run on switch for hades
Well much harder than in PC for sure.
opal lodge
brilliant riposte will open the legendary
dry ember
But let's say you randomly get an Epic Deadly Strike as your first boon on AP2, for example.
You can "save" the seed by giving up the run and make a copy of that save.
That way you can always start with Epic Deadly Strike whenever you want, hence you "seeded" a run.
On PC you have Save Manager and Mods which makes this task easier.
versed spoke
I'm going to get a pc just for this
tranquil violet
Routed runs mean beyond first boon.
A routed run is still seeded...
It's just that you're explicitly manipulating the PRNG.
turbid needle
the best kind of correct
versed spoke
Lol
tranquil violet
@versed spoke have you seen the video where the Count is beeped out?
So it sounds like he's saying something naughty?
versed spoke
Yes
tranquil violet
Classic.
tame bison
@opal lodge the legend would be worth it over 5% flat DR even?
turbid needle
r2d2 is the most offensive movie character ever
they had to bleep out everything he said
versed spoke
Lol
opal lodge
<@!461369378315960330> the legend would be worth it over 5% flat DR even?
yes
bronze skin is doodoo
tame bison
Fair 🙂
unreal fable
Guys can you suggest me a good build+combo ? Im easily going to the last boss but he obliterates me even if i have two resurections
rare kindle
Hmm, which weapon?
undone sparrow
I'm trying out a "water gun" build
it consists:
tempest strike
aspect of Eris
sea storm
and splitting bolt
trying to get the rail to do 100+ damage
unreal fable
Hmm, which weapon?
spear and shield please
rare kindle
Wow, I just got two legendaries in one run - unhealthy fixation and divine protection
frigid pewter
I was trying to do a no boon hades fight to get that dialogue but the Styx rooms were mostly boon rooms
rare kindle
I don't even think my mirror's on +duo\legendary chance
Yeah, just have to run fated authority and hope you can purge any boons you get
unreal fable
Guys can you suggest me a good build+combo ? Im easily going to the last boss bu...
? Shield build please
echo radish
Seeking fire, explosive fire or flurry fire for hestia
I'm guessing seeking but explosive seems pretty good too
echo radish
Yea flurry doesn't really make sense lmao
unreal fable
So where can i find explosive? And whats hestia?
random niche
Hestia is the 3rd weapon aspect for the adamant rail
echo radish
Have you unlocked all weapons yet?
random niche
Explosive fire is one of the daedalus hammer upgrades
unreal fable
Have you unlocked all weapons yet?
Yes
random niche
so for hestia you get massive damage for first shot after manual reload so the boss strat is to just reload and hit witht eh big shot, and since your damage is ranged and frontloaded you get to spend more time dodgin and being away from end boss
echo radish
Oh man I got black metal, engulfing vortex hunting blades AND vicious cycle
Looks like I won't be using that hestia so much lmao
unreal fable
Thanks
random niche
Oh man I got black metal, engulfing vortex hunting blades AND vicious cycle
New blade dash actually makes me want to take ares boons for once.
gusty rapids
late but explosive was the best choice there yes
unreal fable
It is suggestable to upgrade one type of attack instead of powering up for exmp : cast + special?
gusty rapids
gives you some aoe and the 10% damage increase is somewhat negligible from seeking
random niche
You want artemis for attack, then prolly aphro for special since weak lasts the longest and you can try to get the duo boon, cast I'd get flood shot personally since your single target damage will be bonkers and flood shot will help you get thru styx rooms easier.
echo radish
So I'm in elysium past the asterius mini boss, and I was trying to get arty attack but so far I've only got hunter's dash, should I give up on arty or keep going
I've only got 4 Gods other than hermes
Already used keepsake btw
gusty rapids
yikes that’s late
honestly at this pt I’d just get any decent attack and move on
unfortunate
echo radish
Yea Im being carried by hazard bomb and hunting blades tbh
wanton comet
Im testing out the posiden sword and wanted to know what boons lodge and don't lodge?
keen mesa
demeter sets something down, so it doesn't. Ares sends out a spinning cast, so it doesn't.
turbid needle
non lodging casts are dionysus, demeter, and ares
keen mesa
Dio is on the ground, so it doesn't
turbid needle
if you want to lodge zeus cast in asterius, shoot it at theseus lol
wanton comet
I'll try aphrodite cast
wanton comet
I know
keen mesa
oh, but your're using sword, okay
wanton comet
that's why
keen mesa
ironically, poseidin cast might not be the best, because it would knock the target away
turbid needle
aphro cast poseidon sword slaps
try to get heart rend and parting shot
I had that build last night.
Can confirm it's absolutely Ambipom.
echo radish
Aight bois I figured out fishing finally
Just cover the bobber with your finger and prepare to press the button as soon as you see the light
pseudo stream
wow @cunning urchin ❤️ your 32 heat build is making 32 heat actually fun and not just a scary chorfe
keen mesa
You just press the button when you see the bobber go completely under the water.
if it doesn't go under, don't press it.
if it bobs 3 times, you know it's going under the 4th time
echo radish
That's what I used to do but then the problem was I never got rares or legendaries cause I always waited to confirm if it was a fake or not
This way I can't see fakes at all so it's easy to nail rares
cunning urchin
I just focus on the spot right above the bobber, but I guess covering it works.
echo radish
Ooh that's pretty cool I wanna try Rama with dio and arty now
tame bison
Does Nemesis basically have to be Hunter Dash, I guess? Does divine dash with maybe Artemis attack work?
turbid needle
It doesn't have to be but for DPS that is probably most optimal.
lucid moth
Heat 16 is crazy
keen mesa
Depends how you get there.
wanton comet
does exit wounds proc on all three bloodstones or just the one?
turbid needle
On every Bloodstone lodged.
wanton comet
nice
keen mesa
If you start with 3, then get +3 from Hermes, then get fast cast, and +2 from Chaos
you'd be able to machine gun off like 8 of them into an enemy rofl
tame bison
Dumb question but is “double dash” for sword like...dash left click dash left click? Or dash left click left click? I’m not sure I’m doing this correctly lol
keen mesa
what's double dash? o.O
turbid needle
Gotta reinput Attack and Dash.
echo radish
Otw to elysium with no special on chaos shield, heart strike and divine dash, suggestions on what I should get?
turbid needle
Dionysus.
echo radish
Alright
tame zodiac
Does the chaos boon with increased cast damage affect the cast of Demeter and Ares?
turbid needle
yeah
keen mesa
ARGH, I got trigger happy fishing after killing Hades
the worst place to mess up fishing
keen mesa
YOU CAN DO IT
untold vortex
I hope they're in aww of what they see past the Hades fight
echo radish
They're just chipping hades slowly with divine dash
polar bloom
Dude i was so flipping close
dry ember
Ah yes, the closest thing Zag have to a bonding moment with Hades
echo radish
Should've dashed
dry ember
^
polar bloom
i kept waiting for him to do the lazer attack. then get behind him and take him out that way
but his next phase
echo radish
Loool
polar bloom
yeah shoulda dashed
hushed ledge
How much dps does the Styx poison deal to you?
hushed ledge
Dps not damage :p
polar bloom
ahh
twin ice
Which gods are the best for Guan Yu aspect?
Been trying Eris with zeus attack but still failling on hades fight 
ashen bough
Good build for aspect of nemesis?
sonic mural
Which gods are the best for Guan Yu aspect?
artemis build around special i think
twin ice
was thinking about it
sonic mural
Good build for aspect of nemesis?
artemis build around dash attack + double edge
twin ice
ty sir
ashen bough
Thanks
twin ice
u think start with artemis or athena?
twin ice
sonic mural
err idk exact name but the one that gives two hits every dash attack
sonic mural
it doesnt affect the passive if thats what ur asking
ashen bough
Lol I got ares arphrodite boon so a whole different approach
I just finished the run
I’ll post it in boasting
sonic mural
I mean honestly if u wanna go doom approach i think ME is far superior to any options cuz it just gets more damage out quicker
turbid needle
For fists, it is really worth ||Démeter over Talos|| doesn't seem interesting additional special attacks over the actual damage provided by ||Talos||
cloud vault
Or play Achilles with Hunting blades
Talos is much weaker than Demeter I think
It's fun tho
vale imp
I think Demeter would kill things more quickly than the damage boost from Talos
Once you max it out
opal lodge
i think you are underestimating how much the special does
frigid pewter
I’m on Hestia aspect. Does delta chamber break it?
opal lodge
also consider that talos' bonus is additive, and not global
delta does not
you can still manually reload and get the empowered shot
frigid pewter
is spread fire better
opal lodge
i like it more
delta is kind of useless
spread fire can help you finish off riff raff
gusty rapids
spread is still kidna useless but has marginally better utility yeah
frigid pewter
Anyone have any good build recommendations for a no mirror run
I’m thinking sword with merciful end? Ares on attack and Athena on dash/special?
opal lodge
hestia or a shield is the easiest
royal helm
Vorime's fresh file is exactly that
that build + mirrorless, ares attack, athena dash/special\
frigid pewter
Does anyone know if there is special dialogue
opal lodge
Vorime's fresh file is exactly that
its worth noting that fresh file has the unique "advantage" of only seeing arty/ath/ares/dio
so it can be easier to find ME than in a normal mirrorless run
royal helm
Noice
It seems like you almost always get deflect dash on first run? I dunno... I've only done fresh file like 2-3 times
opal lodge
yeah you can get it first boon
and you usually do take it
since your only other options are attack and phalanx shot
mild raft
Would Merciful End sword build be better than Heart Rend Nemesis sword build for mirrorless?
echo radish
Just tposed on dad with plume, this has to be the most cheesy build ever
Couldn't find hermes boons but it was still too good
Had like 60% damage reduction on top of 40% dodge chance
balmy portal
Tidal Dash + Flood Shot + Mirage Shot + Breaking Wave + Second Wave... this run is pinball.
tame bison
Rupture+Second Wave+Typhoon+Poseidon Soecial on guan Yu 😛
royal helm
Merciful end is a lot safer...
Considering you have deflect dash
And mirrorless you have no death defiances
So... if you're confident with next to no survivability, you do you
worldly blaze
Yo should I go Maimed Soul for my Gilgamesh run rn I think it'd be funny ngl
I chickened out I chose pauper's affluence instead
worldly blaze
If I go doom-stacking with Curse of Agony and Dire Misfortune, is it worth rerolling for Impending Doom for higher damage and more stacks per doom proc?
(still Gilgamesh)
tame bison
For Hestia, should I take Ricochet, Targeting System, or Rocket Bomb? I already have Piercing Fire so I dunno if ricochet is as valuable?
opal lodge
impending is pretty bad until you get ME
worldly blaze
what does ME stand for?
rare kindle
Merciful end
Athena ares duo, I believe, abilities that deflect immediately activate doom effects
worldly blaze
that one
had that in a run
I shredded health bars with that because I had divine dash and curse of agony
then EM4 Hades happened
true nymph
Beowulf + Festive Fog is a nutty combo
Was able to deal as much as a Thanatos summon in damage with 4 cast crystals
modern lichen
Athena ares duo, I believe, abilities that deflect immediately activate doom eff...
Yeah that boon is actual garbage
opal lodge
??????
ok thats the weirdest take ive seen in here
and ive seen a lot of weird takes
modern lichen
Really?
tame bison
Lol
untold vortex
divine dash is almost universally agreed to be the best dash in the game
modern lichen
why do you think ME is bad?
I've only had it a couple of times but there are easily better duo boons
opal lodge
merciful end might be the most broken boon in the game
topaz dagger
Does each room in Styx count as an encounter for Rare Crop, or only the last room in each wing?
opal lodge
each room
modern lichen
@topaz dagger each room in styx is one encounter
worldly blaze
do you remember some of your builds when you had ME?
you might've just had builds that don't really work well with it
modern lichen
Maybe
worldly blaze
because something like Curse of Agony/Pain and Divine Dash is really good with ME from what I can tell
forest marsh
Sometimes even 3 trades
modern lichen
Oh so ME instantly gives an foe a doom status curse when you deflect one of their attacks?
worldly blaze
no
just when you hit them with a deflect thing
Divine dashing into them for example
modern lichen
Ohhh gotchu
worldly blaze
so you can Proc a LOT more dooms than normally
untold vortex
it only triggers doom, it does not apply the status
modern lichen
Ah
untold vortex
so you need a way to apply doom for deflect to actually trigger it
ie. curse of agony on fists
worldly blaze
I mean you also need Curse of Agony/Pain to get it offered in the first place
speaking of Ares Duos, is Curse of Drowning as bad as it feels to me or is my brain just too smooth to use it well
because every time I got it it felt really underwhelming
modern lichen
The first time that I got that boon it was with beowulf iirc
It is quite underwhelming though
balmy portal
Everything is better than aphro/dem duo though
worldly blaze
it sounds like a straight nerf ngl
modern lichen
smoldering air kinda bad too but it's also circumstantial
worldly blaze
Demeter's Duos don't really sound good in generally tbh
opal lodge
smoldering air is also insane on most calls
not good on arty call but every other one has its uses
worldly blaze
You have Crystal Clarity and Stubborn Roots but the rest don't seem that good
modern lichen
Aphrodite's aid, for example, is a good combo for smoldering air
It's an easy charm effect
forest marsh
Mhmmm, Smoldering Air is incredible
modern lichen
Lightning Rod though 
balmy portal
Poseidon is my pick for smoldering
modern lichen
Though it only works with infernal soul
balmy portal
Big plus if you get extra duration
modern lichen
Poseidon is my pick for smoldering
poseidon's call is the best
Yeah with rip current too
worldly blaze
My fav Dous have to be Splitting Headache, Curse of Nausea and Sweet Nectar
modern lichen
I get curse of nausea often, it's more passive but the damage output is good
balmy portal
No love for all boons epic?
modern lichen
With the right boons and hammer upgrades I got a coronacht build that dished out up to 2000 damage per attack
modern lichen
Malphos is pretty good
But I like the spear better
Aspect of Hades is overpowered
worldly blaze
Yeah well I'm not good at it so that clearly means anyone that uses it is a dumb little idiot person
I just suck at both of the ranged weapons because my primary instinct is "ooga booga smash enemy"
modern lichen
Use Zeus boons with adamant rail and drunken flourish for bow special
echo radish
All malphon aspects are super fun
modern lichen
Haven't used the magnetic cutter one in a while
echo radish
It's probably the one that gets outshined the easiest
modern lichen
I enjoy the third aspect bc of the damage output
echo radish
Especially cause demeter exists
modern lichen
And gilgamesh is just enjoyable
echo radish
Zag fists are the tankiest
worldly blaze
but also the most boring because all zag aspects are just "Number goes up"
echo radish
Idk zag fist fist raises a number that nothing else touches
worldly blaze
Dodge rate
modern lichen
I mean which qualities does the zag aspect increase
Ah
Though there are a few hermes boons that cover dodging
worldly blaze
you get like 15% dodge rate at Lv 5
echo radish
Yea but no weapon increases dodge rate
Hence I think it's the tankiest
You can literally just stand and keep punching without worrying about dashing
modern lichen
Yeah, if you can completely nullify damage it's obviously tanky
worldly blaze
I think you can get like 92.5% dodge rate (unless I'm forgetting a non Hermes dodge source)
echo radish
P sure there's clips of 100% dodge rate
echo radish
Plume + fists alone are almost 50%
echo radish
Idk but my last run it was 30% and I was using lv2 plume and missed like 5 rooms
woven wagon
Alzo a post call buff fpr 30%dodge
worldly blaze
52.5% if it's heroic, actually
woven wagon
Its how I got my first clear
echo radish
Oh yea smoldering air + post call boon
Bonus points for Athena aid on smoldering air
worldly blaze
We all know that Hades' Aid is the best on Smouldering Air
cunning urchin
Hades' Aid requires more than 25% god gauge.
untold vortex
it requires 50% as it has only 2 stocks
echo radish
At less than max it goes away when you attack
untold vortex
the invis effect goes away, the damage buff lasts for 1.5 seconds
echo radish
Yea that doesn't seem ideal for a dodge build
untold vortex
it got nerfed
modern lichen
Ah
worldly blaze
Are there any 2 stock calls except Hades?
modern lichen
No
untold vortex
nope
untold vortex
artemis is 5
modern lichen
Yeah
worldly blaze
imo Artemis' Aid might as well just have 1 stock
modern lichen
Yeah it's only good with greater call
It's literally just a slightly buffed version of True Shot
cosmic torrent
if you get a duo boon, then sell one of the boons which was required to get it, do you still keep the duo boon?
cunning urchin
Yes. But if the Duo Boon modifies a specific cast, and you sell the cast, you'll only get your base cast.
cosmic torrent
got exlusive acess in asphodel and i don't want to be stuck with dio special
cuz beowulf be slow
opal lodge
hmm
echo radish
The only duo cast I like is Dionysus - Demeter
Many duo casts are pretty good though, arty-dem, arty-ares, dio-zeus
modern lichen
Oh yeah artemis duo casts are good as well
worldly blaze
I just got Hunting Blades and Mirage Shot
echo radish
All Artemis duos are amazing
modern lichen
Wow that's actually good
worldly blaze
that's 2 Blade Rifts that seek out opponents
echo radish
And that's pretty insane
modern lichen
All Artemis duos are amazing
Yep
worldly blaze
sadly I don't have vicious cycle
echo radish
Imagine getting vicious cycle on that
worldly blaze
"only" the other 2 blade rift boons
echo radish
My last run with ares I had the entire pack except mirage shot
modern lichen
Gonna fight EM4 Hades
Good luck, i've never fought EM hades or theseus/asterius
echo radish
The first two ems don't even do anything
worldly blaze
Phase 3 and only 1 death defiance left oh god oh jeez
modern lichen
I never expend death defiances anymore
cunning urchin
Phase 3 and only 1 death defiance left oh god oh jeez
Just call Meg.
soft citrus
worldly blaze
Gilgamesh is busted
echo radish
Man I wanna play with hidden aspects but they're too expensive
worldly blaze
"Hello, I heard you wanted a stronger Doom on your damage buff. Here you go!"
soft citrus
i use max gilgamesh as my default and its so op i only use it when i want to focus on cutting down my time bc it makes the game almost too easy
its a lot of fun though
median lagoon
hades builds and combat
cosmic torrent
this is true
echo radish
Perfect shot or chain shot on Rama?
worldly blaze
Dionysus is one of the strongest gods but imo Ares is the strongest
alpine solar
I don't like ares that much
without duos doom is kinda meh
I reallt like artemis tho
Because it's never bad
worldly blaze
even without duos Doom just does a lot of damage
proven osprey
that's a nice name
alpine solar
Depends on the weapon, but usuallly i kill the mob before doom lands
But maybe i don't play it enough and make a bad use of it
warped hound
Doom is straight up upgrade over any other boon for some specials/attacks
echo radish
Man I cant figure out how to make Rama work
warped hound
It's bad on attack for 5 out of 6 weapons, but at least it's not Dio attack 😄
echo radish
I start charging it and get staggered by the time I'm done
And this is while dash charging
Also dio attack is pretty good tho?
warped hound
Man I cant figure out how to make Rama work
Step 1) High-roll a good attack
Step 2) just make distance before doing literally anything
echo radish
I mean the people in having trouble with are like butterflies and long bows
opal lodge
thats ok
you dont have to full charge
dont be greedy unless you have stun resist via hyper sprint
otherwise theres probably mistakes in your positioning if you always get stunned
echo radish
What attack do you recommend, Artemis or aphrodite?
warped hound
Rama is like Arthur, you pretty much have to roll some Hermes buffs to not hate your life with it.
warped hound
But if it's not an option, just make distance every time
opal lodge
artemis is better imo
opal lodge
get used to enemy cooldowns so you get better at attacking during their downtime
echo radish
Does hermes attack make charge time shorter?
warped hound
Also try to roll Dio/Zeus special until Elysium
echo radish
I did have dio special
warped hound
to kill low-hp trash without using your primary attack
echo radish
Was looking for arty dio duo