Around run 80 I stopped bc I didn’t need stuff anymore
#h1-builds-and-combat
tame bison
rare kindle
I’m trying to finish up the last of my prophecies
coral flicker
I mean I don't either but I like the randomness aspect
I need to grind out a few legendaries and duos for that
rare kindle
Now I just need to get Guan Yu up to the surface and get defiance from chaos, and then I’ll be done with prophecies
coral flicker
damn I need like 2 hammer traits on all my weapons still
just keep in mind more prophecies can come up later
rare kindle
I don’t know how, but I winstreaked the last 3 hidden weapon aspects I did
keen mesa
I have all my prophecies finished, but still leveling up some weapons
coral flicker
oh the hidden aspects are usually pretty good
Beowulf is bae and you cannot change my mind
rare kindle
And I really was expecting to lose with Lucifer rail because I came into the dad fight with only one DD
keen mesa
I love Beowulf 😉
rare kindle
Beowulf chunks hard, I agree
fast shardBOT
@coral flicker Watch your language.
coral flicker
???
keen mesa
My last run: https://i.imgur.com/nnXXnkJ.jpg
coral flicker
oh I see what I did
stone harbor
I don't
rare kindle
I think Rama is my new favorite bow now
tame bison
Divine flourish is...what’s that emote?
coral flicker
yeah proxy deleted my message about Beowulf carrying me through EM Hades
divine flourish on Lucifer slaps
coral flicker
My last run: https://i.imgur.com/nnXXnkJ.jpg
when in doubt, cast more
have you tried the cast - recharge mirror upgrade?
keen mesa
It takes FOREVER to load up 6 shots though without hermes
coral flicker
oh wait nvm on Beowulf that sucks
keen mesa
yeah, lol
coral flicker
yeah no that is fair but you turn into a walking nuke with that
keen mesa
you want as many casts as possible, although Deflect Cast was the worst one I could get ;-/
very low scaling
keen mesa
it replaced my demeter one though, which was common quality, ugh
coral flicker
divine strike + freezing flare
extra upside is that you can get stuborn roots
which just guarantees a win with the shield
just sit in a corner, hold block, and wait
coral flicker
My last run: https://i.imgur.com/nnXXnkJ.jpg
why did you overshoot the heat so much on your runs?
rare kindle
On my Beowulf run, I had sea storm and scintillating feast with Poseidon attack and Dio cast
coral flicker
I usually just go with whatever heat the weapon is currently on
Dio cast is pretty good, not amazing not awful
Dio vanilla cast is sick though
opal lodge
poseidon attack is usually not that great on beo
because it shoves people out of your casts
poseidon cast though is 👌
so is dio cast
aphro cast too but less so
coral flicker
poseidon's vanilla cast is something I thought I'd hate but turn out to quite like
the AOE is
so very big
opal lodge
the aoe is gigantic
you just bull rush in the general direction of enemies and they die
it's sick
coral flicker
overall not a big Poseidon fan tbh, I prefer things staying where I can beat the living [not getting slapped by proxy again] out of them
opal lodge
yeah so poseidon's cast for some reason doesnt apply the knockback until after all of them pop
and the knockback is pretty small
keen mesa
well, knockback is incredible if you get reupture
rupture, because they kill themselves walking back
turbid needle
I got a full Artemis/Dio/Aphro Duo spread on Aspect of Chaos and Curse of Nausea.
This is so dumb.
I sold Artemis' Aid for Sigil of the Dead going into Styx.
This is it, this is the cheesiest build I've ever run.
Wait.
keen mesa
Sigil of the Dead is probably the best sigil though at full guage
5 seconds of practical invulnerability and 100% damage boost?
yes please
turbid needle
I lied, I don't have Heart Rend.
But I've got Artemis-less Splitting Headache and Low Tolerance.
That's a universal 12% chance.
granite lava
Corrected Hermes' flowchart
https://imgur.com/nrX5ajU
rare kindle
I got a heroic life affirmation on a guan yu run
My hp might actually come sort of close to what it is on a regular, non-GY run
rocky iris
Poll: which has the better difficulty:heat ratio? Em4 
(4 heat), or FO2 
(3 heat)
turbid needle
FO1 definitely
rocky iris
So it's better than 3/4 the difficulty of em4? Yeah I agree with that. Lemme change it to FO2 then
granite lava
Demeter's boon flowchart
https://imgur.com/HTOrmOC
and with this I've finished the flowcharts for each god
now onto duo charts
keen mesa
lol I have two Yarn of Ariande
I wonder how they stack
Ah, only one yarn affects the next boon, and you hold on to the second one
rocky iris
Ugghhhhh first 32 heat to make it to styx with a decent build and I get a 5 sac and die to the time limit...
lean knot
granite lava
Zeus' duo chart
https://imgur.com/i8dLK10
opal lodge
my brain has ascended
granite lava
opal lodge
i think you can get sea storm with flood flare beowulf though
and you cant get with dash as of this patch
did not know you could get rod with literally anything though that's interesting
granite lava
hmm yes looks like poseidon dash is invalid
granite lava
i think you can get sea storm with flood flare beowulf though
Red area means it's not compatible with beowulf cast
anywhere without it means it's compatible
granite lava
you can def get scint feast on beo
nvm game just doesn't display them separately, after testing it's compatible
opal lodge
yeah that's pretty strange
rocky iris
Agggggh second time to hades and he's got archers. Instantly murdered
pale kayak
Ouch
rocky iris
Finally beat him so all is well. Surprising how after of weeks of failing in tartarus and elysium I make it to hades 3 times straight.
pseudo stream
wow new Zag sword does a LOT of damage haha
rocky iris
Q: how do y'all deal with benefits package warrior soul decoys on Tight Deadline. You need to wait for them to explode for the stage to finish or for the next wave to spawn. Entered with 6:52, died to deadline against t&a
granite lava
Alternate version
https://imgur.com/RAKdvmj
tame bison
Zeus rama is just like wildly unfair
turbid needle
If I may, a cross between the two, both highlighted boons and solo markers (for LP and SF), seems like it would be best.
opal lodge
Q: how do y'all deal with benefits package warrior soul decoys on Tight Deadline...
you want to have a larger time bank
thats a lazy answer but probably the easiest solution
you entered elysium at 6:52?
dry ember
Q: how do y'all deal with benefits package warrior soul decoys on Tight Deadline...
Honestly I think the time lost to Poppers feels large but it's not that significant.Your movement, clear speed matter more. And Elysium has always been a DPS check. If you don't have a good build by then, consider equipping Shackle, Earrings, or whatever else to boost your damage.
rocky iris
I got to elysium with 1:52 remaining +5 minutes. I should be able to bump that up to like 2:30, but idk beyond that.
I die 100% without acorn in elysium. Asterius hits super hard. Gotta practice I guess.
granite lava
poseidon duo chart
https://imgur.com/DMJ7TD7
opal lodge
skeleton that just means you're playing elysium otherwise inefficiently
or your build isnt scaling well
elysium is a pretty hard DPS check
rocky iris
Got some suggestions? I'm doing achilles spear with trippy shot trying for zeus duo
Killing things didn't seem like it was taking long. Just zoom through foes and pepper them with trippy shot (I got artemis legend and timer casts)
rocky iris
Js1. Thinking of adding dc2 and using zeus special
opal lodge
nah just run JS1
make sure you arent just using cast i would say
achilles is still 250% damage spear
rocky iris
Ive never really had success with spear without casting except for flurry jab
Got a build in mind for spear attack? I'd probably go for artemis attack and weak on special and duo
lofty yoke
Man I once got blade rift cast and artemis’s boon that makes casts seek out enemies and chefs kiss
P. Sure I also got the boon that makes casts drop twice each time just. BLAAAAADESTORM
turbid needle
Interesting charts. Not sure I understand them
granite lava
athena duo chart
https://imgur.com/SSKdiHW
granite lava
Interesting charts. Not sure I understand them
What's the matter?
turbid needle
I'm guessing you need one from each God to trigger the duo and the ones that don't matter or don't contribute are Greyed out, and some casts aren't compatible with Beowulf
opal lodge
pony according to the code is parting shot incompatible with the aspect of beowulf too?
granite lava
I'm guessing you need one from each God to trigger the duo and the ones that don...
That's correct
granite lava
pony according to the code is parting shot incompatible with the aspect of beowu...
It is, but since you can only get PS with athena or aphro regular cast I didn't include it
granite lava
wait no
turbid needle
Further could you rank usefulness ?
smoky sinew
Man I once got blade rift cast and artemis’s boon that makes casts seek out enem...
Hunting Blades and Mirage Shot I've tried it a couple of times and it honestly is pure destruction
granite lava
@opal lodge I'll add it to the notes
granite lava
Further could you rank usefulness ?
That's too subjective
cloud vault
Chart seems weird
Don't you need Athena cast specifically for Phalanx
Then why is the Zeus cast selected
turbid needle
About to start a bow attempt and am I right in thinking the Aspect of Chiron is really good? Seems you could get a 'shotgun' close range build off the ground really easily with it
sonic juniper
Chiron is bad at close range shotgunning, the whole point of it is that it guarantees special hits at long range
In fact, it's not good until upgraded a fair bit
turbid needle
Fair enough I guess, it just seemed like the best one to drop a Titan Blood on
cloud vault
Chiron is good, but needs max blood
Well, not 'needs', but you're better off using Zag bow until you do IMO
undone anvil
I'd agree with that, Chiron is only really worth playing after maxing it out
with the Daedalus hammer that gives +3 special arrows it's even more fun
cloud vault
Yeah the hammer upgrades can be huge for chiron
There's the 2 that boost special directly and then there's one that makes it pierce, which is also good. All of the bow attack hammers are less useful
raven aspen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773905198459781120/790936504587124796/unknown.png?width=1163&height=654
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773905198459781120/790936591170273280/unknown.png?width=1163&height=654
master of exchange 😄
turbid needle
zagreus: the art of the deal
smoky sinew
imo it's only good when doing cats builds because you want some good damage
near pelican
It's fun on hera
smoky sinew
Posseidon too
forest marsh
True Shot's redeeming quality is that it pierces shields
smoky sinew
In hera it's good but I prefer trippy shot or the hunting blades combo
near pelican
Yeah trippy shot is probably better baseline and definitely better if you can get extra casts.
smoky sinew
yup and Mirage shot is always so good in cast builds
tawny meadow
the only cast I absolutely hate is the dem/ares duo
alpine solar
why does everybody likes rama so much ?
near pelican
Hm, I wonder if Arctic Blast isn't worth it?
tawny meadow
why does everybody likes rama so much ?
it's fun?
alpine solar
hmm... that's a good point
tawny meadow
has good room clear with shared suffering
near pelican
I want to like Rama but...
alpine solar
I find it to slow
near pelican
Dash attack helps
alpine solar
still really slow
near pelican
If you can get Chaos or Artemis to negate the damage loss
tawny meadow
I mean it's currently tied with hera bow for speed runner choices so...
alpine solar
never tried hera bow
near pelican
It's fun
tawny meadow
it's just cast bow, if you like cast builds it's good
smoky sinew
I wouldn't say Rama is that fun it's just strong IMO
tawny meadow
I find it fun to clear waves with one shot
near pelican
Like, boons don't really mix things up unless you're spamming special which isn't fun to me personally.
tawny meadow
the problem with Rama is that missing perfect shot feels bad
near pelican
The charge speed is like .01 seconds longer than my brain tells me xD
tawny meadow
see I always release late, timing on it is super short window
smoky sinew
I think what you mean is being strong is fun. Which is ok. But there are other builds and weapons that are fun just because they are fun
tawny meadow
clearing waves in a single shot is fun not really the being strong like Eris can clear waves faster and is super strong but i've never found it super fun
near pelican
I think, off the top of my head, one issue is that on-hit effects don't scale to compensate for the slow attack speed.
smoky sinew
Yeah the only way I've tried "changing" the way Rama is played is picking up triple shot abd making it a shotgun
mellow forge
whats the general consensus on crystal beam btw?
tawny meadow
fun but not really good
mellow forge
only use i've had for it is for doing a load of damage to hades while he's doing the huge fire beam
tawny meadow
aphro duo can be good too just needs more maintenance then arty duo
mellow forge
im doing a chiron aspect bow with chill on the special and killing freeze which is quite nice so i might get it and try and get the art duo then
pastel marsh
What is this "rama" I keep hearing about? New player needing schooling here
near pelican
Oh it's sooo fun when you get all the right boons
smoky sinew
oops spoilers
mellow forge
spoilers are allowed in here so 🤷♂️
near pelican
I thought spoilers were allowed in this channel...
tawny meadow
What is this "rama" I keep hearing about? New player needing schooling here
bow hidden aspect
mellow forge
i really want to try and redo the first build that i won with
it was my first rail run and i got hazard bomb, 2 flourish chaos boons, heartbreak flourish and a few other boons to increase special, it was the stupidest build i've ever played in a rogue-like
near pelican
Yeah there's a certain sort of sadness when you complete a run with a broken build and realize you may never get it again
Which I suppose is also liberating but... I fear change.
Let's talk about my childhood
keen mesa
Huh... well this is interesting, I just learned that during your special animation with sword, you can dash to control the landing location.
tawny meadow
yep
keen mesa
Particularly good with Excalibur because the special is so slow
you can start the animation, then dash to have it land somewhere
near pelican
You can dash between Excalibur attacks as well.
tawny meadow
hermes special speed is a god send on excal
keen mesa
Yeah, I knew that one, haha, I told my friend Zagreus has some incredible dexterity to be able to dash WHILE swinging a sword, haha
near pelican
I constantly cancel my special with sword (except Excalibur), really annoying for crit builds.
Cancel with attack, that is.
smoky sinew
attack speed is good too. I always take them
arthur is slow and strong so they are the perfect options
near pelican
I had an absolutely crazy backstab damage build on Arthur once.
Really easy to land backstabs with that weapon as well.
Or... relatively easy.
smoky sinew
me too and i got the duo aphro athena boon (i dont remember how it's called)
near pelican
Actually, I always wonder if I should be taking Shadow Presence over Fiery Presence. I feel like I hit undamaged enemies way more often than I land backstabs.
keen mesa
yeah but against bosses?
near pelican
It's helpful against Hades but
keen mesa
you get one hit...
smoky sinew
depends on the weapon
keen mesa
fiery presence is good for speed running I suppose
smoky sinew
I think that too sometimes but I find myself backstabbing a lot more than I was expecting
tawny meadow
fiery presence is good for big hit weapons like Beo shield
but it's not really good for fast weapons
near pelican
No, definitely not.
tawny meadow
like I wouldn't take it on non arthur sword, fists, or rail
near pelican
Can rail backstab?
tawny meadow
yes
near pelican
I take it on Hestia for sure.
tawny meadow
true forget that hestia exists sometimes
smoky sinew
fists are good at backstabbing
near pelican
Definitely
smoky sinew
and they are about combos and not sinle atks
near pelican
Yeah, shame Demeter fists don't count empowered special as one attack.
Can you imagine blasting rats with that
Yum
smoky sinew
I hate rats so much more after playing hades lol
near pelican
They are my second least favorite enemy in the game.
After shield champions.
When I die and go to Hell (or should I say Hades kekw), I will hear the sound of attacks being deflected by shields for all eternity.
mellow forge
literally sitting in a corner rn spamming special on some of them, they're awful
smoky sinew
especially when I play fists (except talos) and sword (except Arthur)
mellow forge
dash-strike is your friend on that^
smoky sinew
nah I think most hate rats
mellow forge
spear dash-strike has a bit of aoe so it kinda helps a bit
smoky sinew
talos is a friend on that I like bullying them by pulling them out of their poison
keen mesa
I'm on Chamber 11 with Excalibur. I have 329 health already. haha
mellow forge
if i got thunder flourish on special with the bow would that mean that every arrow sends out a lightning bolt?
keen mesa
no -- there is a cooldown on the bolt
mellow forge
ok, that would have been crazy op otherwise, just got a thunder flourish choice in shop rn which if it did work like that would have allowed me to do over 1k damage per special just from those
keen mesa
near pelican
@mellow forge Pretty sure it used to work that way and that's why it doesn't anymore xD
mellow forge
yea i assume thats what happened with artemis's heat-seeking arrows aswell
cause they're kinda meh with chiron bow
echo radish
Oh what support fire has a cool down too?
keen mesa
I don't think so...
mellow forge
im really happy with that run, i might have been using a very cheesy strat with chiron, but its the first time i've beaten the final boss without using any death defiance
keen mesa
but I'm pretty sure support fire does not fire an arrow for EACH special arrow
echo radish
Which other heat seeking arrows does arty have
mellow forge
idk when i was using it with 12 arrows on my special only like 3-4 of the heatseeking arrows were appearing
keen mesa
but maybe it does -- it says when you hit with an attack or special
but I'm sure there is a cooldown
mellow forge
so i assume it has a small cooldown to stop it from being abused with that
turbid needle
Support fire has an internal cooldown, yeah
keen mesa
Argh nooo I'm 16 gold short of buying Centaur Soul
I could switch to Chtonic Coin Purse and instantly get 150 gold, but
nah, switching to Pom Blossom
oh god my character is moving too fast... I have 40% movement speed now, and 40% after I dash as well
near pelican
Now you need Rush Delivery.
keen mesa
fists
fists hit really fast and will absolutely trigger every support fire or lightning strike
echo radish
What about rail though
cunning urchin
Malphon and Exagryph, yeah.
keen mesa
you know, even if I fail erebus, at least there isn't a penalty to going down there, AND you get 3 path options out of it
plus I have so much life gain, this onion just healed me for 4
smoky sinew
that's a lot of optimism
torpid moat
is thunder dash good
echo radish
But also idk how I feel about failing them cause you're wasting a room
Not a fan of thunder dash, I like lightning reflexes
torpid moat
what is thunder dash good for
smoky sinew
I like thunderdash with fists
near pelican
@torpid moat It's good when buffed I think.
torpid moat
ok
near pelican
But I feel like there are usually better options.
smoky sinew
because im dancing around enemies and Im playing zeus in fists anyway so it gets the buffs
torpid moat
im playing arthur
echo radish
Would definitely passion dash or poseidon dash with fists instead tbh
near pelican
If you have jolt it works for Privileged Status.
torpid moat
yea forgot priveledged
near pelican
I try to avoid knockback on fists.
torpid moat
should i purge it
echo radish
I like knock back on fists unless it's on attack or uppercut
echo radish
Probably don't purge it then
torpid moat
and i have demeter
smoky sinew
yeah I don't like knockback on fists too Athena is always the best ofc
echo radish
You're almost done
echo radish
Knock back bounces them off walls back to me, it's funny
near pelican
Yeah I wouldn't purge it unless I needed Divine Dash for the heat.
near pelican
Hehe
echo radish
The only place I don't like knockback is asphodel
near pelican
Should have stacked revenge and gone AFK on Hades.
smoky sinew
I'm not doing that because I believe it's going to be boring maybe I'll do it someday
rare kindle
Knockback can still work ok in asphodel, you can aim for magma kills
torpid moat
yea i got demeter until now im going for cast build
rare kindle
Of course if it’s a floating enemy and with knockback, that doesn’t work
odd rock
Does skellys keepsake give u an extra life similiar to deaths defiance and do they stack?
echo radish
In general wave bois are better in my hands than in magma
And everything else flies or jumps
So the only good mamga magma kill targets are the bone dudes
echo radish
Does skellys keepsake give u an extra life similiar to deaths defiance and do th...
Also skelly gives you and extra defiance on top of what you already have
smoky sinew
Does skellys keepsake give u an extra life similiar to deaths defiance and do th...
yes it's a death defiance that restores 100hp
echo radish
So if you have 3 natural, equipping skelly makes it 4
odd rock
Oh wow aight
tame bison
just jumping in here but fwiw, Acorn is more effective life than the Skelly token.
Vs final boss specifically
echo radish
^ is true, acorn gang rise up
smoky sinew
LOL
keen mesa
this is extreme measures Hades though, I've never fought him before
smoky sinew
bruh what is this keepsake you have no defense
you'll lose
just play smart and you'll win
you have so much defense
and power at the same time
with arthur and aphro
smoky sinew
it's good enough. Epic and Heroic dash strike too. Maybe focusing on backstabs will get you damaged
so be careful
but it's arthur you have damage
you can do it!
good luck!
smoky sinew
I don't remember
keen mesa
I have two more tunnels and I can pick up Rare Crop right now
I'm 100% sure they'll be Epic by the end of the tunnels
not sure if they'll be Heroic
tame bison
How did you get so many hp jeez lol. Even with Aphro boon
tame bison
Ahh
keen mesa
okay, so if you take Rare Crop as the third to the last tunnel, when you hit the last chamber in the last tunnel, your boons will hit Heroic
tawny meadow
yeah but hopefully you aren't being forced into a 5 sack
keen mesa
I always clear all chambers, cuz I'm using Pom Blossom
echo radish
does blossom count individual chambers or entire tunnel
keen mesa
individual chamber
bah... I lost
I got Hades to his third life, about half health
My Bouldy missed hitting him, I got hit by Cerberus, and he healed a bunch from the souls, sigh
viral star
can you get both cold embrace and crystal clarity?
tame bison
Didn’t realize you could take Rare crop with only 3 tunnels left and still hit heroic? That’s great
undone anvil
can you get both cold embrace and crystal clarity?
no, they're incompatible
viral star
ok!! thank you
undone anvil
Didn’t realize you could take Rare crop with only 3 tunnels left and still hit h...
every room in Styx is considered a chamber so it stacks up pretty fast
viral star
wanna do some cast memes
torpid moat
is thunder flourish good?
copper fjord
last game I had Dionysus' cast bomb with Zeus/Demeter's cast passives and i felt
amazing
just chucking a bomb and having a snow and lightning storm in it felt satisfying af
torpid moat
?
torpid moat
idk im on first encounter
its epic besides
so do i take it and how can i make it good?
undone anvil
what weapon do you have
torpid moat
arthur
undone anvil
yeah go for it
torpid moat
what do i pair it with
undone anvil
if you can get jolted down the line it should be pretty good too
torpid moat
like what god
undone anvil
I like pairing it with Poseidon so I can get their duo boon
undone anvil
makes it so every attack that knocks people away also strikes them with lightning
basically if you have Poseidon on your attack it'll use both effects every time you attack
or Poseidon on your dash for that matter
turbid needle
idk if you'd ever want Poseidon on attack though LOL
torpid moat
what cast should i go for
cause i know only the demeter artemis and ares ones are good but i wanna try new ones like posseidon maybe
i mean can i evolve it into something
torpid moat
so the cast is good
smoky sinew
Aphro's is a short range fart
smoky sinew
yes
with Demeter
and also he has a duo with Artemis (dosent matter which cast) that fires a second shot each time you cast
torpid moat
ok imma take it
keen mesa
Didn’t realize you could take Rare crop with only 3 tunnels left and still hit h...
The latest you can take Demeter Rare Crop is if it's the third to the last tunnel (you have two tunnels left after picking it up). Any later than that and you won't hit Heroic
keen mesa
you want attack boost since arthur hits so hard
torpid moat
kinda
i want ares for the dash
oh i already have a dash
i might get it on attack though i it good?
keen mesa
you don't want doom at all with arthur
you want things that increase percentage damage of attack
ionic nacelle
torpid moat
i dont have priveleged though
keen mesa
yeah for continuous doom procs
torpid moat
so demeter or ares
torpid moat
for cast for duo
keen mesa
I like ares cast
torpid moat
should i get double nova since i have thunder flourish with jolted effect
coarse moss
i like demeter on arthur. combo is slow so make enemy slow too. stacks with hallowed ground slow
torpid moat
yea i like demeter too
coarse moss
thunder flourish only procs every 0.2 sec. i dunno if double nova can proc it twice
but still good damage
torpid moat
i tested it does
coarse moss
nice
torpid moat
yep 2 thunders
viral star
cold embrace is so fun with the shield
leaden pond
I really Love aspect of lucifer and artemis Special. Tonns of DMG.
honest wing
help
me
just unlocked lucifer aspect
have the hammer in front of me- greater inferno, eternal chamber, concentrated beam
the last one seems stupid
idk how the first one works so if someone could tell me that
does the thickness of the beam increase
oh
it doesn't affect the attack
but the special
that is so stupid
clever ice
_>
pseudo stream
what's a fun but solid Lucifer build that isn't Zeus attack?
torpid moat
wow thunder flourish plus double nova plus jolted effect is really op, i like experimenting with boons and actually finding something useful
honest wing
combine that with tempest strike and sea storm?
pseudo stream
Is Poseidon attack... good on it? It doesn’t seem like it would be haha
torpid moat
no cast
the cast duo with ares
@honest wing what is tempest strike ,i dont know all of them yet
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Attack boon.
honest wing
strike means atack
and then the first relates to the god
tempest is poseidon
divine is athena
deadly is artemis
stuff like that
even I'm new dont know all of them
vernal dune
@honest wing concentrated beam is p nice actually if im remembering it right
it's the one that makes you hit the maximum ramp damage sooner yeah?
vernal dune
yeah it's just more damage without any gimmicks
honest wing
combined with triple special throw and artemis special, putting out big damage numbers
vernal dune
more of your damage ticks are the full ramp
eager whale
greater inferno is so nice with triple bomb
honest wing
yea
frail schooner
triple bomb is better with athena special imo
honest wing
I'm getting like 480 damage per tick
vernal dune
oh if you had Triple Bomb then yeah you made the right call
eager whale
i like it with arty cuz the damage is quite big
vernal dune
triple bomb is goooooood
eager whale
does it trigger for each tick?
vernal dune
Yes
honest wing
wanna do another run with infinite ammo and poseidon attack and sea storm on attack tbh
maybe get support fire on that too
are there any preqreqs for support fire?
vernal dune
Nope
eager whale
dont think so? not sure tho
vernal dune
Just gotta be lucky to get it over crap like Hide Breaker
honest wing
this run I'll have enough darkness
eager whale
ive gotten so used to that mirror upgrade i cant play without it
honest wing
Just gotta be lucky to get it over crap like Hide Breaker
or like dash strike 50%+ plus
pine flax
what do you build on rama besides arty attack
heady peak
I call this build "prepare your an*s"
https://i.imgur.com/3rzA7mt.png
granite lava
Aphrodite's duo chart
https://imgur.com/86Z9tFT
heady peak
@granite lava Thank you, this is extremely useful! Do you have it for other deities as well?
granite lava
I've made individual god charts for all gods and I'm in the process of making duo charts for each god
heady peak
@granite lava May I ask for a source to them once they're finished?
honest wing
yes pls that would be amazing
granite lava
Originally I made them for my mod Pony's Qol but I will also put them up on the hades wiki
Zeus' chart is up on the wiki and I'll add the others once I'm done
granite lava
As for my mod you will be able to display the charts directly from the boon list
https://imgur.com/99laNZw
heady peak
10/10 mod
granite lava
what are mod examples that are like more than qol changes
take a look on nexus
heady peak
Thanks for your efforts
honest wing
hey I found your thing
granite lava
Thanks for your efforts
you're welcome
honest wing
lmao a lot of them are like make gaem ez
soft sigil
does athenas sure footing boon resist damage from hades vases
gusty rapids
yes
granite lava
Artemis' duo chart
https://imgur.com/8ApQKuL
keen mesa
wow, some of the mods on nexus make the game ridiculously easy...
proven osprey
what mods?
heady peak
Artemis' duo chart
https://imgur.com/8ApQKuL
Thank you!
keen mesa
some of the mods remove all the costs from broker, others dramatically increase fishing chances
granite lava
Thank you!
You're welcome
proven osprey
Yeah I don't see the point
heady peak
Some people have little time to play the game on a daily basis, perhaps it's for them
proven osprey
@granite lava Your charts are really nice
granite lava
<@!186162299298512898> Your charts are really nice
thanks
keen mesa
yeah, but how can you tell if someone is doing a high-heat run without mods helping them?
heady peak
I worked 13 hours today, got maybe 1-2 hours of playtime max, maybe they can't afford to try get those duo boons or legendary boons to have fun with
Can't tell
proven osprey
I don't think it's high heat mentality honestly
heady peak
But to me personally the challenge of high heat is pointless if you make it easy through mods
it's like patting yourself on the back because you do well in elementary school as an adult
proven osprey
Sometimes I feel bad because I have a good run with boons carrying me
Imagine with mods lmao
granite lava
mods let you customize your experience however you want, which mods you're interested in is highly subjective
heady peak
I have one mod, that is the boon choice, what is it called, one sec...
granite lava
ellos' starting boon selector?
heady peak
Ello's Starting Boon Selector
keen mesa
that's what the keepsakes are for
heady peak
I use it because I simply do not have the time or patience to reset in case that attack boon is common and I get nothing better after 2 rerolls from the mirror
keen mesa
you're not supposed to necessarily reset your runs
granite lava
that's what the keepsakes are for
it does more than the name implies
keen mesa
that's why runs are seeded, so you can't abandon a run and try to get different starts
heady peak
I'm going to reset when I do Arthur aspect at difficult heat levels (for me)
granite lava
author is a speedrunner, and he makes mods with mostly speedrunners in mind
heady peak
A build based on special, I think it's adequate to at least use a rare special boon
keen mesa
How is it speed running if you're forcing the game to select stuff that you want?
heady peak
I'm forcing the game to stop wasting my time for something that is inevitable, given an infinite amount of time
granite lava
How is it speed running if you're forcing the game to select stuff that you want...
seeded category
keen mesa
then it isn't speedrunning
proven osprey
It is
heady peak
When did I ever say I'm speedrunning, anyway?
keen mesa
that's like saying you can speedrun mario faster if you just make him invincible
proven osprey
No
proven osprey
You will get a special rare boon anyway at some point
keen mesa
you said the author of Ello's Starting Boon Select is a speedrunner that made the mod with speedrunners in mind o.O
heady peak
There is absolutely zero skill in running the game 10,000 times for your record, either
you just keep going until you get that time, probably with good boons
proven osprey
You could say it takes dedication tho
keen mesa
making the best out of what you get is the point of the game
heady peak
That is true
If I want to make the best out of what is given to me, I play xcom, or darkest dungeon, or battle brothers
proven osprey
I like it on Hades tho
To prove that any run is winnable
That way you discover new things too
keen mesa
Fair enough, I think it's silly to play with mods that make the game easier though
heady peak
It is winnable, the question is, it is fun for you to play a build that is gimped
granite lava
idk why you guys are gatekeeping speedrunning, speedrunning is literally completing a game asap and there are different ways to achieve this, which is why there are different categories
heady peak
I have no idea what you're going on about, perhaps once you get a job and have limited time to play you'll see my point of view
keen mesa
I've never heard of a speedrun including mods that make it easier like increasing damage...
I do have a job?
heady peak
Once again, I'm not speedrunning the game, so you may stop telling me how to enjoy the game I bought, thank you
keen mesa
I wasn't talking about you speedrunning, I was replying to PonyWarrior who said the author of the mod "is a speedrunner, and he makes mods with mostly speedrunners in mind"
proven osprey
it's just time saving
keen mesa
Nothing to do with you
heady peak
There is absolutely zero skill in seeing a speedrunner kill themselves because their very specific build didn't manage to get that epic boon that is required for 57 heat
heady peak
You're supposed to have fun
keen mesa
Why would you run 57 heat and complain when things don't go perfectly then?
Then say "Well, I need mods to make 57 heat possible"
"Mods will help the game not be so hard."
Weird, just turn down the Heat and have fun then
signal spear
any fun builds? i'm a bit bored on what i should try next
proven osprey
luckily
keen mesa
what's the point in saying you completed some high heat run if you cheated your way there?
proven osprey
57 heat runs do not depend on rarity
heady peak
It's like talking to a wall that doesn't understand that using a mod to immediately get "epic special" and wasting 20 minutes and killing yourself for said epic special is nothing but a waste of 20 minutes in the latter case
keen mesa
maybe this isn't the game for you then? I have lots of fun on every run, even when I die
Winning at the end isn't the only "fun" part of Hades
heady peak
Maybe it is not your place to tell me how to play the game?
keen mesa
lol but you're saying you want the satisfaction of doing high heat runs, but you need mods to help you beat it
heady peak
I never said that
proven osprey
Lmao
heady peak
keen mesa
You said there is "no skill" in failing a "57 heat" run when a person doesn't get a specific boon, so that's why you use mods to get the boons you want
proven osprey
you clearly don't understand each other but it's fine
heady peak
I will now stop wasting my limited time on your mindless drivel
turbid needle
ok sword is a billion times easier now that I've learned to spam double dash strike
I feel like a dummy for not doing this before
keen mesa
which sword aspect
proven osprey
Yeah this weapon is dash strike
turbid needle
nemesis
copper fjord
ok just beat the run with Guan Yu's Aspect, now I know why people like it!
copper fjord
The healing ability's really good especially since you've got such a big health penalty at the start
hmmm i think the health penalty is what put me off at first to try it, but im thinking maybe after a couple upgrades it'd be pretty good!
proven osprey
It's insanely strong actually
that ability
The only things is that it falls off at high heat
But you can do some sick runs. This aspect is really deep and complex
turbid needle
it's cool how hammers change how u use it
pine flax
are chaos boons multiplicative damage?
proven osprey
No
proven osprey
it's cool how hammers change how u use it
It's cool and uncool
It means more gameplay options but also that you'll rely on hammers heavily
wanton cliff
so was the aspect of Beowulf buffed recently if anyone knows?
turbid needle
good thing u get 2 of them every rin
proven osprey
yeah I guess
wanton cliff
because from what i can tell the charge time for dragon rush got buffed like crazy
to the point where it's the same speed as the normal rush
this might be an older change but i only just noticed it today
turbid needle
charged skewer
echo radish
What does charged skewer do for gy?
keen mesa
it does damage to everything along the way
turbid needle
a lot
echo radish
I always avoided charged skewer cause I thought slowing myself down was a bad idea
proven osprey
Charged skewer is the safest and an excellent boss killer. Prolly the best of the aspect. Serrated point is another option for dps. Risky but faster hammer. Quick spin and massive spin are excellent too. Winged serpent is ok but not the same level as these 2
turbid needle
quick spin hades remains my favorite spear
keen mesa
definitely
proven osprey
Oh also, breaching skewer is really good combined with charged skewer
but that's it
turbid needle
breaching skewer slaps
echo radish
So nemesis always wants dash reflex and not ruthless dash right?
keen mesa
quick spin makes it feel usable in otherwise super risky situations
turbid needle
you pretty much always want 2 dashes
keen mesa
50% dodge and 50% damage seem pretty good...
turbid needle
else you're relying heavily on hermes
proven osprey
Best hammers for Hades are serrated point and exploding launcher
turbid needle
it's 50% additive damage
versed nexus
Hey, just one question, how you can have 99 uses on a boons?
echo radish
What
turbid needle
and a second dash means you can just outright avoid the attack rather than have to coin flip to dodge it
echo radish
Oh wow I've been using ruthless dash all this time
keen mesa
I've assumed most people have
echo radish
I assumed everyone would be on dash reflex
I just wanted to learn how to better time my dashes so i switched to ruthless and never went back
proven osprey
Oh hell no
pine flax
is there any heat that makes the game faster?
proven osprey
2 dashes is really good
turbid needle
having only 1 dash means losing so much mobility
proven osprey
Yes Snilly
echo radish
Forced overtime I guess @pine flax
pine flax
which 1
floral matrix
nevermind double dash, the majority of my runs are on Athena dash too
rare kindle
EM2 + Forced overtime
turbid needle
u literally halve your dodges
granite lava
Ares' duo chart
https://imgur.com/D0HsQLS
rare kindle
EM2 solely because it lumps the hydra heads closer together
proven osprey
Forced overtime 2 is 40% speed buff for enemies
keen mesa
I always take Divine Dash when I can
echo radish
I mean sure it's a big loss, I'm not arguing ruthless is better
rare kindle
Divine dash is so good
pine flax
sorry I mean like make you clear the game faster, not enemies faster lol @proven osprey
echo radish
I just think it's easier to learn timing on ruthless
proven osprey
Oh
echo radish
If enemies are faster they'll die faster
turbid needle
I guess
echo radish
proven osprey
Tight deadline then?
rare kindle
By making the enemies faster it also makes you faster?
pine flax
if i have td1 does it remove the survival rooms?
keen mesa
the timer though carries over extra time into the next areas
proven osprey
you'll still get Than
rare kindle
And if Thanatos pays a visit, his rooms won’t have in game time pass
Same for NPC rooms
echo radish
Wdym ingame time pass?
keen mesa
Tight Deadline says 9 minutes per region, but if you clear the first one in 5 minutes, the second region will have 14 minutes
pine flax
yee i normally play with td2 on but i just never noticed i didnt get any survival rooms as a result
rare kindle
Like, if there’s a timer from tight deadline, it’ll pause
turbid needle
speedruns don't use TD because the survival rooms are basically free rooms
at least for IGT, not RTA
keen mesa
the timer starts when you get into an area, pauses when you are selecting boons (like the first boon in the game), and ends when the last enemy is killed
I think TD2 is very doable, TD3 looks hard though
pine flax
20 mins is easy if you just have a build in mind
echo radish
So if I'm understanding td right the timer is for rooms right
So there is no global timer?
keen mesa
err, no
there is a global timer
but it pauses for certain events
like conversations, buying stuff, fishing
it starts when you drop down, and ends when hades is dead
echo radish
So the game gives you a global timer based on how many rooms you're supposed to clear in total?
keen mesa
no, it gives you 5/7/9 minutes per region
turbid needle
it gives u +X amount of minutes per region
keen mesa
any extra time is rolled into the next region
echo radish
Oh it's not per room, it's per region wow
turbid needle
asphodel is short af so if you can make it through there you're golden
TD3 tartarus is a lil scary lol
echo radish
I always take too much time in asphodel cause I have to run around looking for enemies
rare kindle
Haelian did a run in which he suffered the damage from TD all run
keen mesa
obviously certain things can make the timer more crazy, like enemies teleporting around
rare kindle
Must resist urge to health/obol troves on tight deadline
I think he was using Arthur
pine flax
ah ok
echo radish
That's rough
keen mesa
I prefer Hazard, but Triple can be nice
keen mesa
Triple lets you target multiple things, whereas Hazard is slightly faster and scales better
since hazard modifies the base damage
pine flax
hazard with arty special is fun lol
echo radish
Never considered hazard speed, I just love the damage boost and the Chad cover your entire screen circle
keen mesa
well, you only have to click once for hazard 😉
turbid needle
cluster rockets >:D
keen mesa
I love cluster rockets, but I hate cluster bomb
echo radish
Is cluster bomb the - 30% one?
echo radish
I love it
turbid needle
shotgun go brrr
keen mesa
which means positioning my mouse just right over my character
echo radish
Just 5 bombs right on top fo you
rare kindle
Arty special plus chaos special is really nice
keen mesa
yeah but in some instances, I want to immediately fire my special, not have to run up to the enemy
keen mesa
the worst feeling in the game is when you fire out your special bomb
and it bounces off some stupid wall or ceiling
rare kindle
I got splitting headache on eris rail
echo radish
That sounds insane
rare kindle
Sadly my first hammer was pretty bad, only offering me targeting system and two attack hammers
I ended up taking flurry fire
echo radish
Would targeting system increase hangover damage?
pine flax
isnt targeting system good
rare kindle
Yeah, I really wanted the multiple special hammers/increase special base damage
Especially with an epic chaos special boon and like a rare Artemis special
granite lava
Dionysus' duo chart
https://imgur.com/DeCBPvN
granite lava
you can start by joining the speedrunning server
echo radish
Hestia rail
granite lava
link is pinned in #self-promotion
viral star
Oh!!! okay thank you I might
granite lava
onto the last one, Demeter
granite lava
Can't wait for the mod update
update won't be immediately after I finish tho, I have to send the assets to someone so they can pack it, then I have to make everything work in game
echo radish
Yea figured
I haven't used the codex much but a feature that would let you default back to the last page that was open before closing the codex would be cool
granite lava
the game changes the page displayed when opening the codex depending on what's happening
if you stand close to an npc it will open their page for example
after unlocking or progressing an entry, that page will be shown
echo radish
Yea but that's annoying when your trying to track boons, it's why I just keep a tab open on the wiki instead of bothering with codex at all
keen mesa
you know what, I'm going to say it: I like Side Hustle.
...if it's Epic.
16 gold per chamber? if you pick that up early on -- amazing
If you pick it up in Tartarus, you're looking at 160 gold in Asphodel, 176 in Elysium, and if you clear everything in Styx, 528 -- that's 864 gold
tame bison
Yeah I think it’s good at common even
turbid needle
side hustle slaps
tame bison
Again in Tartarus/asphodel it’s pretty great
keen mesa
I really want to try Aspect of Zag Rail with Ares Doom and multiple dooms and delayed doom damage
echo radish
@fading garden
fading garden
yes?
echo radish
They were talking about rail with dire misfortune so I thought I'd tag you LUL
granite lava
Demeter's duo chart
https://imgur.com/8AFybQL
keen mesa
Is it bad?
fading garden
ah, different rail. I used the hidden rail last time. But without delayed doom damage, I think it did about 300 or so per tick
granite lava
and with this I am finally done
turbid needle
gg
granite lava
echo radish
It sounds pretty good ignite, especially if you can find the quicker shooting thing
The problem is I tried the same on chiron and didn't see dire misfortune at all
fading garden
It may take a while to get dire misfortune, so be prepared for that
I got it on my hidden rail run in styx
turbid needle
my first max level chiron run I got piercing volley
echo radish
Tfw finding tier 2 is harder than finding duos and legendary
granite lava
The problem is I tried the same on chiron and didn't see dire misfortune at all
Dire misfortune requires either ares attack or special
granite lava
unlucky then
echo radish
Big number go brrr
fading garden
If this is the run you were trying to do ares, this is not even close to that xp
keen mesa
No it isn't, haha
fading garden
It does look fun though
echo radish
I really like the dire misfortune idea especially because aphordite on special is amazing with any of the hammers and you can get curse of longing for even bigger numbers after that
fading garden
Curse of longing is really nice with dire misfortune
echo radish
Does impending doom increase misfortune damage further?
fading garden
Which is impending?
echo radish
Doom effects are delayed but become stronger
fading garden
Ah. Since you have more time to tick, it will do more damage with dire misfortune
echo radish
Yea but it also has a flat multiplier like 60-80%
So I was wondering if the dire increase in doom is also increased by 60-80%
fading garden
Oh, it'll just do 60-80% more of what is currently stacked
echo radish
Ooh that sounds pretty insane with curse of longing in particular
frail schooner
CoL doesn’t work with misfortune
Applying dire misfortune via another doom removes the CoL stack, so it’s not like it stacks forever
frigid pewter
Anyone have any build recommendations for ares/aphro duo, ares/dio duo, or dio/aphro duo
I’m trying to finish the prophecy about all of the duo booms
frail schooner
for low tolerance and curse of nausea you can use chiron
for curse of longing just honestly pick it up in that same run but it won’t do anything
echo radish
I mean you can get a few shots in with rail before col hits right?
And then keep resetting the stack to max damage instead of 50% of whatever the max is
mortal salmon
I can't find the answer, but I assume it's a no. My friends are counting on Slicing Shot and Crystal Beam to both apply to your cast. They don't do they?
frail schooner
Yeah but that has the same effect as if you didn’t take col
frail schooner
I can't find the answer, but I assume it's a no. My friends are counting on Slic...
what does that even mean
you cant have 2 casts
unless by slicing shot you meant mirage shot
echo radish
Wait so impending doom makes col slower too?
turbid needle
I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but any tips for an early game Charon kill?
keen mesa
dodge
frail schooner
divine dash
mortal salmon
unless by slicing shot you meant mirage shot
they were asking about Ares' slicing shot, and yeah, i thought it sounded really weird too. thanks for the quick response 🙂
echo radish
Divine dash doesn't deflect chiron projectiles right
turbid needle
divine dash
Could any other Artemis work?
turbid needle
Divine dash doesn't deflect chiron projectiles right
Lemme check
frail schooner
divine dash doesn’t deflect chiron projectiles no
but it does deflect the oar
which does 400 damage to him
turbid needle
Same with other deflect boons?
pseudo stream
it does deflect the ones he shoots himself, but not the ones from the walls (afaict)
frail schooner
yeah same from other deflect boons
turbid needle
K thanks
echo radish
Wait so impending doom makes col slower too?
Can anyone confirm this btw
versed spoke
Maybe this was patched. It didn't work. Or maybe its because I'm on switch. Does it still work for you on pc?
turbid needle
what did u do that didn't work
sullen valley
Say, how good do you guys think the Fidi Companion is? The uh, snake one.
tired tulip
Any good beginnerish builds with stubborn defiance and high confidence?
tame bison
What weaponYou want to use
turbid needle
aspect of Arthur
wheat loom
Never use Zeus shield. What boons am I looking for?
rare kindle
Try some Zeus on Zeus action
wheat loom
Drop a Zeus deuce?
rare kindle
Zeus on special is good, as is anything that likes multiple fast hits
opal lodge
its kind of a weird place
because zeus special is also kind of a lot of damage
so % boons also work very well
wheat loom
The ol’ balanced game paradox
turbid needle
@echo radish if it wasn't answered yet, yes Impending Doom slows Curse of Longing's proc rate.
sullen valley
imo, I would want to put non-% damage onto it. So, like, Zeus, Ares, Dionysus, etc.
wheat loom
I’m trying to get everybody drunk
sullen valley
Pfheh
serene quartz
sonic mural
wdym "reliable" - i wouldnt really define a build which relies on a single hammer "reliable"
echo radish
For lv1 Zeus shield dio is pretty good
You can use the actual shield to hit people into the special which is a pretty cool too
Having dio also means access to festive fog which you can also throw on top of the special
Aphrodite on attack for low tolerance, bonus points for finding ares to get curse of nausea
balmy vigil
So does Rare Crop just become worthless as soon as whatever it's upgrading reaches Heroic or will it change it's target or what?
balmy vigil
Not nearly as good as it looks. It looked like it would upgrade 1-3 (depending on rank) boons by one tier every three encounters which would actually make it worth taking early in a run. Now I regret taking it at all.
echo radish
Common rarity rare crop is not that good unless you have only one or two other boons and they're key to your build
Epic rarity rare crop is really good
balmy vigil
I got it at the 2 boon tier as my second boon of the run. It's garbage.
echo radish
I was running hidden shield and got a common rarity rare crop when my only boon was trippy shot
Was insane
stone harbor
Speaking of trippy shot, has anyone tried going for a trippy shot build with black out on hera? I'd try gettting dio attack for automatic black out application
Doesn't seem to hard to get, but without blackout, any other cast weapon would be better
Or can do you apply your attack boon when you dragon rush?
honest wing
let's goo I killed hades with igneus eden
echo radish
What's black out
stone harbor
Dio legendary, it gives 100% bonus damage for hangover-afflicted enemies in festive fog
stone harbor
Because with stuff like poseidon, you have to apply hangover seperately and with hera you just apply it when you shoot something for your cast
echo radish
But that's only one stack of hangover I can't imagine that'd do a lot
wheat loom
Zeus shield with Zeus spec is so good. Thank you guys
echo radish
And you have to charge your next shot before you can apply more
stone harbor
I'm pretty sure it applies to all damage, not just the hangover damage so it should do a lot
echo radish
Hmm makes sense
stone harbor
And the description of the boon just says you have to have hangover, not how many stacks
echo radish
Yea but one stack expires quick is what I meant
stone harbor
I only need it to last for the split second it takes for all the festive fogs to deal their damage
echo radish
Oooh that's what you meant
To increase the fog damage
Perhaps dio dash might be good with such a build?
stone harbor
Idk I don't really rush into enemies with the bow
I would prohably just take athena
echo radish
Dio dash makes you rush away not into
It applies where you were not where you will be
Though yea this sounds like shield build
Not bow
So you rush and dash away
stone harbor
Does rushing apply hangover if you have it on your attack?
echo radish
And you can have Zeus on attack to get dio Zeus duo and knock people into the cloud for ps and black out damage
Yes it should
echo radish
I mean I imagine bow can deal a ton more damage if you keep attacking though