h1-builds-and-combat

[opal lodge]

flood flare beowulf is about 10 zags larger in radius than passion flare beowulf

[cloud vault]

Does that mean we have kiloZags too?

[main osprey]

no, we have kill'o'zags

[proven osprey]

I know that one

pretty well

[turbid needle]

Ah yes, the unit of measurement for failed 50+ heat attempts

I know it too well

[opal lodge]

my GY 40 took me about 50 kill'o'zags

[main osprey]

just want to say, off to a good start 👀

[turbid needle]

Ohey that's a beefy special

[opal lodge]

you can get explosive launcher now

neato

[main osprey]

yeah

[proven osprey]

too bad it's Zag spear

[main osprey]

yup lmao

[granite lava]

behold, artemis' flowchart
https://imgur.com/bKASP5p

[main osprey]

fun

[opal lodge]

good god.

[granite lava]

I believe you mean good goddess

[opal lodge]

i love the x below lucifer lol

[granite lava]

I'll add it to the legend but it just means it's not compatible

[opal lodge]

yeah that makes sense

[granite lava]

as in, if you have lucifer you won't be offered her dash

[opal lodge]

yup

[turbid needle]

Actually, because of that

Does that mean that Chaos won't offer you dash-attack based boons ?

[opal lodge]

luci can't dash attack

so yeah

i guess so

[granite lava]

let me see baj

[turbid needle]

I don't run Lucifer enough to attest to that

[opal lodge]

i haven't seen one before

but could just be anecdotal

[granite lava]

yup

https://imgur.com/xsxQ53g

[turbid needle]

Neat

[proven osprey]

Get some sleep Bright it's late

[opal lodge]

its only 3 and i dont have work tomorrow

life is fine

[proven osprey]

Baj it's early, have a breakfast

[opal lodge]

baj is in trouble though

LOL

[turbid needle]

^

[main osprey]

continuing in my path of absurd damage before leaving Tartarus...

[turbid needle]

My sleep schedule's upside down now

[opal lodge]

jeezus

4 dio casts

[main osprey]

1000 damage per burst

[turbid needle]

Holy spicy Hera stuff

This is about to go higher and higher

[main osprey]

turned Meg into a 4-hit kill

[turbid needle]

If only you rolled a natural Poseidon or Artemis

Could have went for Mirage Shot

[main osprey]

yeah

[opal lodge]

forcing zeus could be cool

lightning good

[turbid needle]

^

[main osprey]

yeah

might go for ice tho

for burst

[turbid needle]

On hera it's fine

It will add a small delay, but it's more damage too

[main osprey]

yeah, I've run it before

just unlocked dem's heart anyway

so might as well favor her

[turbid needle]

Could actually get Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine

[main osprey]

true...

[turbid needle]

Play it how you want, it's your run

[royal helm]

How fast does ice wine apply chills anyway?

[main osprey]

Hermes

I swear

I give you 6 dice

and you give me nothing

and by nothing I mean nothing called quick reload

[hoary slate]

It looks like Hunter Dash enables getting the crit-related tier2s, which seems wrong since you don't have any crit effect. and Hunter's Flare doesn't enable them?

[granite lava]

Thanks for pointing that out, dash indeed doesn't unlock those. As for flare it only unlocks support fire yes

here is the corrected version
https://imgur.com/lbMqZ73

[turbid needle]

Like once per second, or something

It's somewhat fast

[main osprey]

if I pick up chain shot, does the cast go off on the first or the last hit?

[royal helm]

ew. 1 per second is ... very bad

But it's something

[main osprey]

I'll let you know in a moment lol

[royal helm]

The ministun seems to pulse slightly faster than once a second...

[granite lava]

not sure exactly

[main osprey]

been a while since I ran Hera, anything better than the others?

[royal helm]

And uh... the laser is .2s, so you get 5 procs per second of chill with glacial glare?

Nope... but the dream is Flurry Shot, Triple Shot, imo

[granite lava]

traitdata says 1 per 0.3s, but when testing in game it looks like 1 per second

[royal helm]

Looks like Perfect Shot is the pick there...

[main osprey]

aight

and I'll let you know in a moment what it looks like to me

yeah, looks like 1/s

[granite lava]

which cast do you have?

[main osprey]

dio

ice wine and scintillating feast

[granite lava]

@main osprey first hit
https://imgur.com/DY0Txr5

[main osprey]

dope, thanks

[fair cairn]

crap EM3 is hard

with a melee weapon

[granite lava]

athena dash

[main osprey]

Hermes

I stg

and not to you

I've given you 9 dice

very shiny click clacks

and not a single cast boon

[turbid needle]

are you sure you're eligible for them

[main osprey]

I mean...how would I not be?

do they not show up on hera?

[turbid needle]

i think there's one that isn't?

and some are incompatible with choice of cast

[main osprey]

oh duh

[gusty rapids]

I don’t think flurry exists with hera but everything else should be

[main osprey]

🤦‍♂️

I've got dio

no wonder the drop cast isn't showing up

[gusty rapids]

oh lol

[turbid needle]

[main osprey]

lmao

y'know what

I've got ice wine, scintillating feast, zeus legendary + epic call

I'm okay

[turbid needle]

sounds like a fun time

[opal lodge]

you could get auto reload? i think?

[main osprey]

huh

Ice Wine seems to instantly explode when fired against a wall

that doesn't feel intended

fun fact: with Twin Shot, the left arrow is the one with the cast

[sullen valley]

Game's pulling a funny but old prank on me again; letting me fight the final boss without offering me any Death Defiances in Styx

[main osprey]

hahaha

[sullen valley]

Also, it offered me one Death Defiance before I got into Elysium when I had, like, 20 gold or something

[main osprey]

you know a similar one? letting me fight the final boss without a single pool of purging when I want to go boonless

[sullen valley]

oof

[sullen valley]

Deeply wanting to complain about Hermes' picky standards on "encounter time" also counting the time it takes for your boon to arrive on the Barge of Death

First you don't give me my dodge boon for my dodge build and now THIS?!

[main osprey]

I mean, the timer is set to account for that, technically...

Though I agree it does feel bad

[sullen valley]

Might as well just shave that time off of the counter for the Barge of Death, for gods' sakes.

...So, Brightswords deal damage via dashing...right?

The answer is Yes, either that, or they don't have an attack animation that renders at their dashing animation, and I just lost an Erebus reward pretty damn immediately.

hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

Nope, their attack happens less than a second after, if they decide to. Their dash straight just deals 1 damage to you.

[main osprey]

Brightswords deal damage by existing vaguely near you

[sullen valley]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

At least I got a Crush Shot/Snow Burst combo. Always comfortable.

Apparently RNG decided it didn't want to give me the Aphro/Athena duo, though. Unfortunate.

Got Rare Blinding Flash and Epic Different League, though.

nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Literally all of Zeus's offered boons are trades and I love all of them

I mean I love all of the boons that Zeus wants me to replace

I'm instantly depressed.
Replace Athena Attack, or Demeter Special (using Zag Gloves)?

ah bunk it I like the Deflection and constant bonus backstab damage (plus I don't use Special all that much this run)

Aight, with my superficial misery, I ended my round with 47.4 dodge chance, +50% (97.4) after dodging correctly. Heh!

[smoky sinew]

97.4 dodge chance?!?!?

[cloud vault]

Dat some dodge

[main osprey]

Not quite, Dodge chance is multiplicative, iirc

Still a lot though

[turbid needle]

additive, i think?

people have gotten 100% before

[opal lodge]

it is additive confirmed via butterfly ball

[turbid needle]

https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy

[main osprey]

Huh

Neat

[wintry igloo]

How does Dionysos stacks work when you have multiple sources of hangover? Does each individual instance deal the damage of its source, or are they all based on the best/worst/average?

[main osprey]

Pretty sure individual

[turbid needle]

new stacks overwrite old stacks, cmiiw

so it's not good to have multiple sources

[wintry igloo]

Huh ok, so it will just reset to 1 stack if I hit with a new source? That's terrible

[opal lodge]

no it wont reset

but basically whichever ones are applied most recently are counted

[turbid needle]

Myth: Dio stacks can overwrite each other.
Result: Confirmed
Explanation:
If hangover is fully stacked, a newly applied stack will overwrite the oldest stack, even if the new stack is lower damage. For example, if you have dio call and a low damage dio dash / attack, you can actually lose a lot of the call damage by applying low damage hangover stacks over the call stacks. How does this work with peer pressure? Generally peer pressure can transfer stacks back and forth, but it feels really inconsistent / buggy especially with the short range and infrequent application (every 4s). However, there is a definite bug where if peer pressure is the only dio stack on an enemy, it will do 8x base damage (but is strangely not scaled with some boosts to zag's damage like eris). This is far too awkward to reliably abuse, but it does lead to some huge dio ticks with other sources of global damage like dad keepsake + rush delivery.

For example, in the following screenshot I have a 5 damage hangover attack and a 6 damage hangover peer pressure. I hit the witch once, it infected the wringer with one peer pressure stack (6 base * 8 bug = 48 damage) and then it transferred two stacks back to the witch (why 2?) which resulted in (5 attack stack + 2 * 6 peer pressure stacks = 17 damage).
https://i.gyazo.com/361588e12e26192aae9f95785b61148e.jpg

not mine

from ello

[wintry igloo]

Ah ok. So I could build up many stacks with a fast attack and then upgrade them to higher damage by hitting once with a better attack?

If I happened to have ended up with a gloves special with a better hangover then my primary, for example?

[sullen valley]

Or, you can apply 5 strong stacks, and then immediately override it all by applying 5 weak attacks, hence the general consensus on not wanting multiple Hangover-inducing boons.

[cloud vault]

In general only get it if it's call or its on some fast hitting attack

Dio dash is terrible for this

[granite lava]

that's not how it works, each stack has its individual damage defined by the boon it comes from. When you reach max stacks and apply a new stack the oldest is replaced

[turbid needle]

Drunken Dash is fine for PS and if you're running Artemis Attack/Special.

[wintry igloo]

Well what was I just told then?

Oh it's a fifo queue is what you're saying?

[granite lava]

fifo queue?

[main osprey]

First in first out

[wintry igloo]

First in first out

[granite lava]

then yes

[raven aspen]

and in general for charging call

[granite lava]

ares' flowchart is so much simpler than artemis'

feels relaxing in comparison

[proven osprey]

Ok so I assume you did not beat the game

right?

[winged stump]

Nope

[proven osprey]

The one thing you have to do first is respect the main Head

The head slam is deadly so just dash away, you can observe that well

[winged stump]

Ight Imma write this down XD

[proven osprey]

You should destroy the adds as quickly as possible, even if it means taking a bit of dmg

more heads more chances to die

Divine dash

will carry you hard

[winged stump]

Alright 🤌

[proven osprey]

What weapon are we on?

[turbid needle]

Also depends on the weapon you use

Yeah

Bow will have an easier time at first, I think

[proven osprey]

yeah range is free

[winged stump]

I was using the spear last time (I don't remember the name of it)

[proven osprey]

some first runs reminded me that

oh god

a Spear user

pog

[turbid needle]

Varatha, yeah

It should be fine too

[winged stump]

Is that good or bad? 🤭

[proven osprey]

Extremely good

[winged stump]

😳🤌

[proven osprey]

Not an easy weapon overall tho

[winged stump]

Its easy to bash Meg with on my end XD

Just bonk

[proven osprey]

yeah

Do you feel like you lack dmg?

[winged stump]

Dmg? (Sorry I'm not great with my understanding of game terms(?) even though I play FFXIV 🤔)

[turbid needle]

Damage

[winged stump]

Ah

[proven osprey]

oh sorry

[winged stump]

Makes more sense

[proven osprey]

lmao yeah

Zag spear is decent with Zeus attack and the jolted status

Don't focus on special too much (there are special cases but let's stay simple)

You spam attack basically, reposition via dash, and repeat

be careful not to dash strike since you will lose your iframes

[winged stump]

I might be lacking dmg? Just a little as it took a bit to kill one head before I was oofed back to hypnos XD

[winged stump]

Understood, May I ask what iframes are? (I think I dash striked a couple of times when I was there)

[proven osprey]

Yeah as a beginner I had no clue what to build

Invicibilty frames

it's a short period of time where you can't get damaged

[winged stump]

Ah

[proven osprey]

when you dash (while not attacking at the same time)

[winged stump]

Niceee

[proven osprey]

I would say the iframe starts as soon as you press dash

and it's very short lmao

gotta get used to it

[granite lava]

Ares' boon flowchart
https://imgur.com/I4S1Vp3

[proven osprey]

divine dash is good for that too for the deflect

best dash in the game when it's hard

[winged stump]

I see

[proven osprey]

Basically

[winged stump]

Blade dash is fun

[proven osprey]

Try again until you succeed

Don't lose faith

or lose it but keep playing

[winged stump]

I won't

Lol

Dw

If I gotta see hypnos again I won't complain

[cunning urchin]

@granite lava your boon chart is missing ME and reset if you don't get ME.

[proven osprey]

Do you have access to all weapons?

[winged stump]

No I believe I have one more left

[proven osprey]

Ok, we'll talk about it later then

[granite lava]

wdym by reset? and ME is a duo

[cunning urchin]

I mean you reset the run if you don't get ME.

[granite lava]

ah, you were making a joke and I took it seriously

[cunning urchin]

lol

[winged stump]

Oop

[proven osprey]

that could happen

[ruby birch]

Bounties. Can you do high ones, and if completed, you'll get all the rewards up to that heat level? Or do you just get for that exact heat level.

[turbid needle]

Bounties climb from bottom up one rank at a time.

No benefit to jumping Heat besides getting used to a particular level more quickly.

[ruby birch]

Aww... The game is getting slow to progress, was hoping I've missed something 😅

[bright sandal]

Is Repulse Shot any good? At first glance, I don't see myself picking it barring the other options being useless, but I haven't tried it

[turbid needle]

It's not preferred.

Triple and Point-Blank is the top tier combo, last I heard.

[granite lava]

Dionysus' boon flowchart
https://imgur.com/pNaUyDQ

[unborn pebble]

Remind me, but the Lambent Plume has a 30-second timer, correct?

[sonic juniper]

Twinshot is good too

[turbid needle]

Timer is room-dependent.

[sonic juniper]

Maybe more consistent then triple

[unborn pebble]

What's the Timer on the Hades fight?

[bright sandal]

Btw I gotta say, thank you for these flowcharts you're making. They make it a lot easier to visualize potential routes and you don't have to dig through the codex for prerequisites. Got disappointed when HeartfulPeach stopped updating hers and I appreciate you taking up the mantle 🙂

[granite lava]

lol you're welcome

peach was supposed to make them and I would integrate it into my mod pony qol, but they were too busy so I decided to do it myself

also, they will all be on the hades wiki once I've finished, for now I only put the one for zeus up

[smoky sinew]

they are so helpful thank you for that

[bright sandal]

Yeah, I got really disappointed when I went to the wiki and all the charts were gone because they weren't updated. I'll have to look into the mod because it sonds useful

[granite lava]

to dos are: hermes, demeter, chaos, charon, duos for each god, hammers for each weapon

[granite lava]

you can look it up on nexus, current features are :

-Add boon list to Daedalus Hammer entry
-Add individual weapon boon lists only listing their own hammer upgrades
-Add boon list to Charon
-Add bulk buy toggle to Wretched Broker
-Add pom icon to level-able boons
-Add permanent chamber counter
-Add reset button to pact
-Add Commendations tab to the codex, which lists all victory messages and their requirements. Completing a run will mark all messages you qualified for as completed.
-Display incompatibilities in the boon list
-Display required unequipped mirror upgrade in the boon list
-Can no longer roll Demeter's Nourished Soul boon with Lasting Consequences 4 pact option
-Lucifer beam destroys projectiles (only the base of the beam destroys projectiles, like it works with reflect)

[wintry igloo]

What's this mod?

[granite lava]

Pony's Quality of Life™️

[turbid needle]

toggleable?

[pine flax]

For achilles special, does the bonus apply to each tick of demeter cast??

[forest marsh]

It should apply to the duration of the cast

[fair cairn]

entire duration, same for other damage over time casts like blades

[pine flax]

sick

[torpid moat]

Defeated last boss finally i cannot belive it

and i had 1 death defiance left

[pine flax]

nice!!!

also this is the first time ive used curse of drowning

this is amazing

lol

[torpid moat]

i dont know who told me but blade dash from ares was actually really good

[cunning urchin]

@granite lava will there be a flowchart for all gods + Duo Boons?

[smoky sinew]

congrats for winning and yeah I agree blade dash is rly good

[rare kindle]

Curse of drowning is really good

I used it for the first time myself for the prophecy and it does so much damage

[pine flax]

ya im using achilles spear rn so it's BIG dmg

[coarse moss]

is curse of drowning like, flood shot x 3 ?

[rare kindle]

Poseidon Ares duo, changes flood shoot into a cast that pulses around you 3 times for each cast

[coarse moss]

it triples the damage, or divide it into the 3 cast?

3 pulse, i mean

[pine flax]

each pulse does the dmg of 1 flood shot cast ya

[tame bison]

How do guys build Rama? It’s been underwhelming to me except with Dio on special

[proven osprey]

Focus on attack. Dio and Zeus are good on special because it does not scale well with %. Deadly or Heartbreak strike. Twin/triple shot as hammer

Kite enemies to be able to do powershots, it's a lot of damage, even more with shared suffering

Dash strike good

It's not easy to learn i'd say, timings, positionning etc

[tame bison]

Okay. Do you like Explosive shot then? It charges slow already so maybe no? It does make attack good tho

[granite lava]

yes, like peach did

this is one peach did for Aphrodite
https://i.imgur.com/6KHqo03.png

I won't use the same format but I will make duo charts for each god

[cunning urchin]

No I mean one chart that has all the boons from all the gods.

Including Duo Boons.

A super chart.

[granite lava]

yeah sure

I don't think it would look good or be easy to navigate but sure

[torpid moat]

ok so i finnished the game now how do i unlock pets more story etc.

[rare kindle]

For both of those, get closer to more people by giving them nectar

[stone harbor]

Is it just me or is the window for power shots slightly larger for rama than for the other bow aspects?

[torpid moat]

How do u get a lot of duo boons and legendary stuff, u know what I mean like the cool builds and stuff

[rare kindle]

You need some prereqs before duos and legendaries show

After that, it’s just luck

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I just think it would be fun to see that.

[cunning urchin]

It might be, I dunno. But if you can get Power Shots more consistently with it, does the why matter? Just claim it's all skill.

[granite lava]

oh man hermes is also pretty complicated

[cunning urchin]

@granite lava wait, Flares don't have priority?

[granite lava]

some of them don't, most likely developer oversight

[cunning urchin]

@fossil wing might wanna look into that.

That's weird for sure.

@heady radish I suspect you didn't know about that either.

[granite lava]

let me show you an example

[heady radish]

hm? whats up?

[cunning urchin]

Some Flares don't have priority.

Trippy Flare being one of them.

[granite lava]

Example 1 : Zeus priority traits
https://imgur.com/Grc3JvT

[heady radish]

priority means what in this context i'm trying to scroll but not seeing it

[sonic juniper]

@granite lava what software do you use to make your charts?

[granite lava]

damn bot

Example 2 : Dionysus priority traits
https://imgur.com/atQBHkD

in the first example flare has priority

in the second it doesn't

[granite lava]

adobe illustrator

[cunning urchin]

Priority means you're guaranteed to see at least 1 priority boon if you don't have your priority slots filled.

[sonic juniper]

Thank you

[cunning urchin]

Attack, Special, Cast, Dash. But apparently some Flares don't count.

[proven osprey]

Sad

for the weirdos I mean

[heady radish]

ahhhh

i did not know that

that explains why i had that run where i missed on trippy flare on dio boons 6 times

[granite lava]

I really don't think it's intentonial, most likely they forgot when adding beowulf

and nobody noticed

[heady radish]

i'm surprised it doesn't inherit base traits from trippy shot

curious on flood flare

[granite lava]

that one doesn't have priority either

[heady radish]

booo

this explains some of the weirdness i see when passing on flares initially

(either because of AP, didn't see it, or out of rolls)

thanks for the ping @cunning urchin

[cunning urchin]

Sure.

Spread the word.

[zinc robin]

https://imgur.com/a/Hn5eHCi

That's what I got so far

Sorry about the glare

[clever laurel]

hmm

honestly

[teal juniper]

exclusive access is nice at the start but very meh afterwards

[clever laurel]

to me it seems that you just need poms and hp

it seems already pretty nicely rounded out to mr

me

[zinc robin]

Yeah, I feel like the core of the build is already there

[smoky sinew]

just make good use of it grab some good boons

[zinc robin]

The trippy flare is most important

[smoky sinew]

but not a lot

[zinc robin]

Getting privelaged status would be nice

[smoky sinew]

dont go only for boons

[clever laurel]

honestly just maybe get some poms and hp

it seems like that run is kinda already done

and that you could end up just stopming

[zinc robin]

Fair enough, in feeling good so far

[clever laurel]

hera is really good imo

[teal juniper]

yeah, just more health and poms and a couple more auxiliary boons

[zinc robin]

Exclusive access is so nice in tartarus too

Though I am em4

Which is scary as hell

[clever laurel]

are you using stygian soul or the other one?

[zinc robin]

Stygian soul

[clever laurel]

oh thats kinda bad

[zinc robin]

But I have two blood stones from a chaos boon

[clever laurel]

thats great for hera!

honestly

just play careful

the epic boons should help

[zinc robin]

I figured it would be better as long as I could get an extra bloodstone

[clever laurel]

i dont think you NEED anything

[zinc robin]

Thanks for the advice!

[clever laurel]

just get smaller helpful boons

[zinc robin]

Will do

[clever laurel]

: )

[zinc robin]

I'll let you know how it goes

[smoky sinew]

here some Hypnso advice. Don't die

[clever laurel]

ping me when you do! ima go eat some ramen

[zinc robin]

Oh man, I have a really hard choice here

https://imgur.com/a/yIb5gF9

I have no idea what to pick

[smoky sinew]

cast

100%

[zinc robin]

I figured, just wasn't sure

[smoky sinew]

are you capable of playing without it 4 encounters though?

I think it's managable

[zinc robin]

Yeah, the attack is strong enough

[smoky sinew]

you can do it this cast damage is too high to pass up

[zinc robin]

It's twin show posidon attack

[smoky sinew]

yeah you can

[zinc robin]

So j should be fine

Sick, thanks for the advice

How does refreshing nectar work with exclusive access?

[forest marsh]

Refreshing Nectar also boosts the chance of duos/legendaries which Exclusive does not

You still have to have the prereqs, of course

[zinc robin]

Got it

Thanks

[tame bison]

Does Triple Shot on bow “shotgun” where I can hit something with all 3 shots at once at close range?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes, but it is very close range

practically becomes a melee bow if you want to go that style

[coarse moss]

iirc to hit with all 3 arrows you need to be closer than using fist

[proven osprey]

Brave bow

the only worthy fighting style

[dry ember]

Triple Shot Bow is a lifestyle

[unkempt pagoda]

just get chain shot so it does all the work for you :p

who needs to shotgun triple shot when the arrows just hit the same target anyways

[tame bison]

Well I have point blank and triple shot now so we’ll see how that goes lol

Rama charges so slowly even on Dash I find myself in near melee range all the time anyways

Bc it just doesn’t get the range

[unkempt pagoda]

triple point-blank.... the truest melee weapon,,,

[clever laurel]

@zinc robin how's it going?

[granite lava]

Hermes' boon flowchart
https://imgur.com/9kwSjOy

[clever laurel]

confusion

[granite lava]

I was confused too

[clever laurel]

what is the rushed delivery boon?

[turbid needle]

bonus damage for movement speed

[clever laurel]

and what is the bad news boon

[tame bison]

Rushed delivery is awesome

[clever laurel]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[turbid needle]

if you have 40% extra movement speed and 100% rush delivery, you get 40% extra damage on everything

[clever laurel]

thats the bad news boon?

[proven osprey]

Nope

[granite lava]

I'm gonna edit it tho, cuz it might be interpreted that the mirror upgrades are not required for the legendaries

[proven osprey]

Bad news is a legendary that makes your cast deal +50% dmg on foes without bloodsotne on em

[clever laurel]

????????????????????

oh

thats dumb af

[turbid needle]

makes your cast do 50% extra damage*

[proven osprey]

that's super cool for non lodging cast such as dio

yeah sorry

[turbid needle]

dw

braid of atlas moment

[clever laurel]

thats litterally just abysal blood but backwards

[proven osprey]

lol

yeah that's a way of describing it

[clever laurel]

no joke

its just dum

[zinc robin]

I lost, woulda woon but I popped one of my cthonic companion used too early, I was dummy close but I ran out of time

[tame bison]

You can also check your Codex to see boon list

If you’ve gotten that dar

Far

[clever laurel]

crying

that sucks

[zinc robin]

Same dude

I was like, 1/8th of the last up bar left

Big rip

[clever laurel]

what phase?

||1,2,3?||

[zinc robin]

Spoilers!

It was the last one

[clever laurel]

oh crap

[zinc robin]

Ikr

[turbid needle]

spoilers r fine in this channel

[clever laurel]

no they arent as far as i know

[turbid needle]

Says in the description of the channel that they are allowed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/790647573735276544/Screenshot_20201221-123056.jpg

yeah

[clever laurel]

o

[granite lava]

corrected version
https://imgur.com/7lqSBlf

[proven osprey]

Side hustle*

[granite lava]

ah thx

[proven osprey]

I like it

it's well done

[split jackal]

so I like aspect of Hera, but I don't mind there is much point in upgrading it. Maybe against the end boss but otherwise, kinda meh

[turbid needle]

You upgrade it if you want the fastest time with lodging casts, like Aphrodite Cast

Man, Temple of Styx is kicking my ass hard. My last 3 attempts have died there, I really need to be actually getting to (what I assume is) the final boss to learn it better

[proven osprey]

With non lodging cast you don't care about upgrading it

[turbid needle]

Otherwise, it's not necessary, yeah

[proven osprey]

But since Crush Shot is amazing

you should

[coarse moss]

styx with tiny vermin boss is my worst nightmare

[cunning urchin]

@granite lava "Instant" Nova is not a thing.

[granite lava]

Ah, seems to be a removed hammer upgrade

Should have checked if it still existed

[cunning urchin]

[granite lava]

Devs didn't remove the incompatibility and it showed up with my mod

[sinful atlas]

Hey guys. Does anyone in here know anything of any bug or interaction that makes the Celestial Sharanga release it's charging arrow without the player releasing the attack button? I've just had a run where nothing felt right, and a lot of attacks after dashing/special released way early for seemingly no reason (not getting hit and not releasing the attack button).

[coarse moss]

does it still happen after you finish the run?

[sinful atlas]

I closed the game directly after. Could fire it up and see if I notice in the arms room.

No, smooth as butter in the arms room. It might be that the poseidon-dash splash animation somehow influenced it?

But I don't know, it could be any confluence of things.

[coarse moss]

if that happened to me, i blame it on cat walking on my keyboard lmao

[keen mesa]

Ugh... the spear just annoys me. There's nothing worse than having to stay in the same spot to charge up an attack for as long as the spear requires

especially for Guan Yu

where you take a huge health loss and receive mediocre healing in return

[proven osprey]

The healing is incredible. It makes the aspect unique in this way, since it works on LC4

[keen mesa]

what's lc4?

[proven osprey]

It allows you to cheese the game if you're not running too much FO either

[keen mesa]

what's FO?

[proven osprey]

Pact conditions

You have the pact enabled?

[keen mesa]

I'm on Heat 8

[proven osprey]

Ok

[coarse moss]

lc4 = disabled healing which guan yu bypasses

[keen mesa]

with guan yu anyway

[proven osprey]

Yes

[keen mesa]

oh, Last Consequences

yeah

[proven osprey]

FO makes enemies faster, 20% by rank

Also the spin took me a while to get used to. Don't focus too much on it

[keen mesa]

I try not to

[proven osprey]

Charged skewer/ spin hammers / serrated point are good

Aphrodite/Artemis is your classic

[coarse moss]

guan yu is played a ranged weapon imo. the spins and the special. even the stab is almost a ranged attack

[proven osprey]

Not really imo

Since your dps rotation will be special into double dash strike

[keen mesa]

right now I have Flaring Spin and Quick Spin

[proven osprey]

It becomes more ranged with charged skewer but even then the combo is worth

Quick really good, flaring not

[keen mesa]

yeah

[proven osprey]

But Quick spin carries a run alone

Especially with frost strike

[keen mesa]

Flaring only helps have the spin not interrupted

but if you think about it, quick spin prevents that anyway

because you charge up so fast

...but I was offered quick spin second

[gusty rapids]

quick + massive is one of my favorite things to get w GU

GY*

[keen mesa]

definitely

[gusty rapids]

it’s so fun

[proven osprey]

It's massive dmg yeah

• jerky from Pat

[gusty rapids]

chilling the spins w Demeter makes things so much easier too

[keen mesa]

my best weapon is excalibur, with heat 14

then twin fists at 11, bow at 8, then spear and shield at 7, and last adamant rail at 5 lol

I Don't do so well with ranged

[rare kindle]

I finally completed the duo boon prophecy

[keen mesa]

I think one of my favorite combos is twin fists, Malphon, Aspect of Zagreus, with the dodge

and then using Lambent Plume

and then getting dodge from Hermes

and the dodge after using call

[coarse moss]

for me the comfiest playstyle is aspect of zeus. throw shield, run away, enemies chase you, shield also chase you, just keep running lol. quite funny

[keen mesa]

what companion do you guys use?

I was using Rib for the longest time

but Shady looks good too

[tame bison]

Anything that deals a lot of damage

Mort/Battie

Im not sure why high heat seems to use Battie over Mort

[opal lodge]

the delay bad

but i want to try more mort

[dreamy patrol]

Cold Embrace and Ares's Aid

[heady peak]

I'm now convinced that aphrodite is the way to power through super hard labour extreme measures 4 hades

https://i.imgur.com/Z8VbKhm.png

[proven osprey]

It helps

Lmao

a crazy one, sword only

[turbid needle]

could be GY

[keen delta]

What do you guys think is one of the better aspects for shield?

[keen mesa]

hidden aspect, the dragon

[keen delta]

Beowulf?

[keen mesa]

I'm eager to try out zeus though, it's the only one I don't have maxed

[turbid needle]

i think they're all good

[keen mesa]

yeah, beowulf is nuts

[turbid needle]

chaos is the easiest to control

[keen delta]

I haven’t tried Beowulf yet

[keen mesa]

if you pump up your cast damage

[heady peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENI-LlLuu0&feature=youtu.be

[keen mesa]

you can easily do 3-4k damage with a beowulf

[tame bison]

Think it’s worth switching Deflect Strike to Epic hangover strike or just keep strike and take Premium Vintage

[keen delta]

Hmm

[tame bison]

Only other deflect is cast

And have like 40% dodge off Lambert Plume run

[opal lodge]

https://www.twitch.tv/webs2d/clip/DirtyWanderingZucchiniTheRinger

linking the beowulf propaganda again

[keen delta]

Damn

[keen mesa]

I once had a run where I got an insane +90% gold

and entered Stryx with 2800 gold

bought everything and still had 1200 gold after clearing all the chambers

[heady peak]

I had the +90% gold in the above linked run as well, but +80% vendor cost made it even

[keen mesa]

hah, doh

Divine Dash, probably my favorite boon in the game

[turbid needle]

same

[keen mesa]

if you have the right secondary boons, I think Thunder Dash could be good

like Double Strike and Splitting Bolt,

but the deflect on dash is just so powerful

[real kernel]

Things I like about my latest run: fully automatic lightning shotgun

Things I dislike about my latest run: Shifter Flame Wheels

The pain

At least, I think that was Shifter. They looked they were going invisible

Anyway, Spread Fire is hilarious, even if I only took it for the Prophecy

But then, that's the point of the Prophecies: making you take things that seem terrible because sometimes they're actually amazing

I definitely would have enjoyed it more with Aspect of Zagreus negating the ammo hit

[keen mesa]

running out of ammo and having to reload is a horrible feeling lol

[tame bison]

Lol lambent plume, greater evasion epic and 15% aspect of zag: I have 65% dodge for final boss

[keen mesa]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't stack additively

[turbid needle]

it is additive

[spice shale]

what should I get for adamant rail attack boon if I don't get zeus?

[keen mesa]

what makes you think it is additive? almost nothing in the game is

[turbid needle]

people have gotten 100% before

most things are additive though?

https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschySpikyTomatoSpicyBoy

[keen mesa]

I've seen more people saying it's multiplicatively

[tame bison]

If your base dodge chance is 0 and the game gives you 15% multiplicative dodge chance of aspect of Zagreus.

Gues what, it’s still zero

So I would assume it’s all additive

[keen mesa]

thta's not how multiplicative works

[turbid needle]

^

the multiplicative things i can think of off my head are crit and DR

[real kernel]

That would be

[turbid needle]

not sure what else

[gleaming bramble]

hahaha achilles spear + flurry jab + zeus attack is busted

[real kernel]

Except when people say "multiplicative", they usually mean that it replaces 0

[keen mesa]

If you had 15% from one source and 20% from another, you'd have 38% multiplicatively

err, no, but, same thing

you'd have 32% sorry

instead of 35% additive

I mean, it would be really fun if it is additive, I just think that'd be crazily over powered

[turbid needle]

dodge is additive

it's hard to get 100% so it's not OP

[keen mesa]

I wish they could have a stats screen you could pull up during a run

[turbid needle]

additive DR would be OP

If I use a single hit high damage call (Artemis's specifically) will a portion of the damage be reduced to zero if it triggers a phase transition/impervious status in the boss?

[keen mesa]

it's very easy to get 100% dodge

with additive though

ruthless reflex gives you 50% alone

then 65% with zag fists, then another 20% with epic hermes dodge, that's 85%

then 15% from plume

easy 100%

[tame bison]

Just got hit like 3 times during the final fight and I made zero effort to avoid attacks

[keen mesa]

then add in 30% from after using call

[turbid needle]

that sounds situational

anw, it's agreed upon that it is

and that video is proof

[keen mesa]

I mean, I'm not disagreeing now, if it's additive, so be it, that's better for us, haha

[tame bison]

@spice shale Dio and Demeter work for adamant as well.

[sullen valley]

Delta Chamber (3 burst), Flurry Fire (Faster Fire), or Ricochet Fire (says on the tin)?

[spice shale]

demeter has felt alright to me before

the chill stacks get kinda nasty

[sullen valley]

Just in Tartarus with Eris and Zeus Attack

[spice shale]

i've never really liked dio's attack, just personal preference

I personally like flurry fire but others may have different opinions

[sullen valley]

aeugh

Ah, whatever, going for the net gain of more ammo

[keen mesa]

oh god...

why do I have to choose between two amazing boons?

I have Heroic Blade Shot

and just got offered Greater Recall

[teal juniper]

do revenge boons activate on dodges?

[keen mesa]

but I also have Heroic Lightning Attack with Fists... and got offered 30% Attack Speed Swift Strike

faster attack speed, more lightning... or auto returning blade shots?

lol I'm taking the legendary so I can sell it for achievement

Hrm... can't I just sell it, then close the game and open it again and start from that chamber? Achievement will still count?

[sonic mural]

no

once you sell or buy something it'll either save at that point or not allow u to quit

[keen mesa]

nope, if you sell it, but don't close the sell menu, then alt F4 and open game again

you'll have achievement and the boon still

kind of silly

I do appreciate the anti-save scumming, especially the fact that runs are pre-seeded -- you can't abandon and get different options

[sonic mural]

ahhh ok never tried that

[keen mesa]

I think it's a silly achievement to need to sell a legendary boon

although I could see if I was playing with required purging pact

[sonic mural]

not if its the fishing boon

[keen mesa]

ahaha

the dumbest reward from fishing has got to be titan's blood

considering the reward "less" than that is ambrosia

which trades 1:1...

[sonic mural]

yah lol

[tame bison]

Man rare fish are really rare

[sonic mural]

nah u just have to do it fast

[keen mesa]

legendary fish are really rare

[sonic mural]

true

[keen mesa]

the fastest gets you guaranteed rare

[sonic mural]

rare fish arent rare tho

[keen mesa]

but even then, legendary is only like 4%

I mean, if you're slow to react they are, haha

[rare kindle]

Rama bow is strong o.O

I have aphrodite on attack, ares on special, got curse of longing and aphrodite's legendary

[tame bison]

Mmm zag aspect Fists....should I replace Dio strike with Heroic Frost strike? Nothing else currently besides Rolling Knyckle

Just playing lambent plume dodge stacking

[rare kindle]

I'm usually bad enough at bow that I burn through a few DDs just getting to elysium but I haven't used any so far

[tame bison]

Heroic anything is pretty good..

[keen mesa]

my favorite keepsakes are plume (with fists) or pom blossom

if I'm trying to boost a specific boon

So... Double Nova (special hits twice) does not case Thunder Flourish (special causes lightning bolt) to also proc twice

kind of annoying...

[proven osprey]

Yeah lightning has a cooldown

Don't try thunder flourish on Chiron, same pain

[keen mesa]

right, I knew about that one

Elysium... Hermes, Daedalus Hammer, or Chaos Gate

took daedalus hammer and got my increased consecration aura

[sullen cargo]

Hey, just curious if anyone could give any suggestions on boons and upgrades for aspect of zeus shield.

[keen mesa]

sorry, that's the one shield upgrade I don't have ;-/

[proven osprey]

I know that Zeus like Zeus on special and scales well with it (jolted, all these things)

Artemis special is also good

And does not require many boons

[tame bison]

Zeus the one that spins a shield around that procs attacks?

Zeus/Dio/Demeter

Doom can work too really

[sullen cargo]

Thank you all, I'll try Zeus on special because it just makes sense...

[quaint sorrel]

If I have Ares special, does that reduce the chances of me replacing it with Artemis special later?

I’m running aspect of Chiron and I didn’t get Artemis special with the keepsake, and now I don’t know how to fix my build mid run

[vital bay]

what is best shield aspect besides hidden?

[tame bison]

Droop: yes having a Special lowers odds of getting replacement

You could sell the special to increase your chances of getting the right thing

[vital bay]

@quaint sorrel if you want straight damage Demeter is always good

[versed spoke]

much obliged

[tame bison]

Or get that thing that boosts doom for multiple applications

[cunning urchin]

Lady Demeter's damage is poor without Killing Freeze.

[vital bay]

Demter % increase are higher than most gods

[cunning urchin]

Yes. Exchanges are very rare.

[keen mesa]

Killing Freeze kills troops at 10%, right?

whichever one does that actually works against Hades as well

[turbid needle]

That's Winter Harvest.

[vital bay]

I don't thin killing Freeze is necessary at all with Demeter

[cunning urchin]

Nope. Her damage is tied with Lady Athena on Attack and Special, which puts her just slightly above Tempest Strike on Attack and at the very bottom on Special.

[turbid needle]

Killing Freeze slows and DoTs enemies when all enemies in a room are Chilled.

[keen mesa]

is killing freeze the damage after 10 stacks?

oh...

[turbid needle]

That's Arctic Blast.

[keen mesa]

yeah, I don't really like that one

killing freeze is hard to maintain

[turbid needle]

It's really best for bosses.

[vital bay]

Killing freeze is goods vs bosses

[keen mesa]

not against hades, there are a million troops

against theseus and minotaur? absolutely

[cunning urchin]

Killing Freeze is good anywhere with the right builds.

Like Frost Strike on Malphon.

[keen mesa]

I can't be bothered running around the whole map trying to keep every enemy chilled in fight against Hades

[vital bay]

if you are playing jury summons

[opal lodge]

killing freeze is 100% the best dem T2 and has an argument for best general T2 in the game

[vital bay]

you are never gonna get it on non bosses lol

[opal lodge]

its really not that hard with the right build

[cunning urchin]

Yes, you can def get it with JS3.

[keen mesa]

depends what weapon I suppose -- bow would be easy to keep everyone chilled. Sword though?

don't get me wrong, that decay damage is amazing

[cunning urchin]

Sure, just Dash-Strike everything.

[keen mesa]

and I take it every time

[vital bay]

if it got upgraded by poms

it would be so mega giga busted lol

[cunning urchin]

Chill lasts for 8 seconds.

[vital bay]

I also think you are wrong that you need killing freeze for Demeter to be good

[cunning urchin]

Hades only has summons in phase 1, and they're dead pretty fast.

[turbid needle]

Okay, but Wretched Sneaks

[vital bay]

yea Hades with JS3 even doesn't have more than like 5

[turbid needle]

I actually had a build yesterday that melted the Sneak very quickly.

I agree that his adds are pretty easy outside of EM4.

Like, if you start getting multiple Chariots I can see why you'd be worried, but most of the time it's a couple of Numbskulls and one upper tier enemy.

Burn through the skulls, tag the last guy, go back to Hades.

[cunning urchin]

I didn't say you need Killing Freeze for her to be good. I said her damage is poor without Killing Freeze. Her Attack is no Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, and her Flourish is at the bottom.

Her Call is the weakest in the game DPS wise.

[vital bay]

Yes her call is garbage

[cunning urchin]

Numbers are numbers.

[vital bay]

he was talking about special

[cunning urchin]

She has the lowest % mod on Special.

Her Call is good.

The damage on it isn't.

[vital bay]

Actually I am wrong

for soem reason I thought her % increase was higher

mb

[keen mesa]

maybe it's just me, but... I find it terribly ironic that the LAST character I have that isn't max hearts is Aphrodite herself

[vital bay]

tbh Aphrodite character is kinda boring

[keen mesa]

does she remain locked past every other character for everyone? or did I somehow play the game differently rofl

[vital bay]

she is locked till you get romance with all 3 characters

Dusa, Thanatos, and Meg

[keen mesa]

meg, thanatos, and dusa?

[vital bay]

should mark as spoiler when talking about the story

[tame bison]

Flaring Spin, Massive Spin, or Breaching Skewer for Guan yu? Artemis special

[turbid needle]

||strangely, i got the dusa getting fired long after i got friendzoned||

[keen mesa]

sorry

[turbid needle]

spoilers are allowed in this channel, though

dw about it

[vital bay]

people will still flame you for it

[turbid needle]

tho im spoilering just in case

flame is a strong word

[keen mesa]

how do I spoiler something

[vital bay]

||

both sides

[keen mesa]

kk

||perfect|| 😉

is Distant Memories necessary for bow?

maybe not necessary, but...

30% on range seems quite good

[pine flax]

Can you be offered smoldering air boon if you don't have a call?

[turbid needle]

it's bad

[keen mesa]

I like starting my runs with Pom Blossom then switching to Sigil of the Dead for Styx

[turbid needle]

nope

[vital bay]

I got Pom Blossom then do Acorn

[keen mesa]

I prefer Broken Spearpoint over Acorn

[turbid needle]

i've been doing god > athena/god > acorn x2

im basic

maybe tooth in asphodel if i already have my gods

[keen mesa]

Although, Pom Blossom is amazing in Styx if you clear all chambers

but usually by then I have so many boons it's hard to care

but I once used Excalibur and had my Attack at +21 because of Pom Blossom, rofl

[tame bison]

Triple jab extending jab or Breaching skewer with Guan Yu? Artemis on strike and special.

Does Extending jab work with dash strike?

[pseudo stream]

woah. Achilles + 7 casts + scintillating feast is pretty fun haha

what synergizes well with Zeus shield? it's my last bounty

[pine flax]

just take all of the zeus boons and try to get the legendary @pseudo stream

you could also do merciful end too

[pseudo stream]

doom special deflect attack?

[echo radish]

Careful with deflect attack, you'll knock then out

Unless you can get the no knock back hammer

Or just get deflect attack and divine dash both

Deflect attack in general is really good on shield anyway

[fading garden]

How does dire misfortune work with hidden rail?

[opal lodge]

should stack each tick

its pretty funny

not very good but very amusing

[tame bison]

So guan Yu, in exchange for a ton of hp loss, gives you a slow awkward attack, an awkward spin move, and a special that no longer backstabs...?

So zero upside basically?

[turbid needle]

Bro, EM4, is oof

[real kernel]

I've come to realize that it is an extremely good idea to buy every single thing at the Well of Charon if you can be confident you'll hit Hades before the effects expire.

Which is actually quite easy to control

Also, they show up in your run records as if they were permanent!

[opal lodge]

it can backstab

and yeah that sounds about right

guan yu is very punishing

[turbid needle]

@tame bison if you get quick spin and massive spin, you can charge it up fast and stay in the huge spin unhurt while life stealing. It's special girl also has a much bigger hit box and pierces shields. Guan Yu is rad.

But it is rough at level one the penalty is too much.

Guan Yu might be one of my favorite weapons.

[winged stump]

heyyyy uh- any tips for fighting hades first go?

[weak violet]

dodge

[winged stump]

sobbing ok

[tame bison]

Will have to try guan Yu again

Patience and dodging are more important than damage @winged stump

[winged stump]

okay thanks

[pseudo stream]

but also, having enough damage is important cuz he WILL clip you pretty often

do you have 3 Death Defiances?

[winged stump]

n o p e

only one atm

[tame bison]

What I mean is dodging >>>>> randomly hitting him twice

[winged stump]

my second was used in the arena

if i die i die

lmao

now to see if ill make it out alive with my hands hurting

[proven osprey]

You're a good person

[loud cloud]

I’m not sure how to correctly do Guan Yu

the biggest issue for me is styx

Since I’m still sloppy

I can get caught on rat poison

[turbid needle]

Always be charging.

Dash attack hold release.

[vernal dune]

im iffy on Guan Yu but i will absolutely give it a shout-out for carrying me through a maximum Lasting Consequences run

[winged stump]

back

nearly defeated hades

but turns out i had to beat him up a second time and got oofed straight after

[vernal dune]

Hades' spin attack tell is a bait like Theseus': he will charge forward while doing it so avoid it by dashing away sideways rather than directly away from him
if your DPS is too low to pop the skulls he throws out, just mind the timers more than putting out damage
armor-killer Hammer upgrades are lifesavers for the mooks he summons

for phase 2 you mostly need to get muscle memory on dodging his spins and skull yeets

his new tricks are basically just area denial

[winged stump]

sob ight

i don't pay attention to timers (?) if i do i probably haven't noticed

[vernal dune]

the pots he makes will break open at ALL attacks including Hades': they will stun you and hurt you for about 30 damage if the grabby hands inside get you (they also count as traps: this will be important for you to remember for later)

[winged stump]

there were green vase shaped things dotted everywhere, do you know what those were?

[vernal dune]

the spinny lasers he makes are just a time waster, avoid them by hiding behind one of the two giant unbreakable pillars

yeah the vases are the pots i was talking about

[winged stump]

ah i see

[vernal dune]

the spinny fire lasers are actually one of the free-est parts of the fight amusingly

[winged stump]

free-est?

scary lol

[vernal dune]

some Casts and weapon attacks can hit him even from behind the pillar like Trippy Shot or the Gun's Special attack

so you just camp out behind your own Bouldy and take some free potshots

[winged stump]

oooo

i was fighting hades with the sword- hmmm

[vernal dune]

and for a general rule of thumb for the fight, you'll want to focus on dodging Hades first and then taking swings at him for about a second or two before he starts his next attack

playing it safe will give you time to memorize his moves

[winged stump]

ah, what about when he disappears ?

[tame bison]

Reach out with your feelings.

[vernal dune]

cant do anything about it, just watch the snow for his footsteps since that's the visual tell of him about to pop back out

[winged stump]

stares joking, right?

[tame bison]

Star Wars? Anybody? No? 😦

[winged stump]

niceeee

[vernal dune]

the most annoying thing about him going DARKNESS is that his intangibility will instantly remove all status effects on him

Doom, Weak, Chill, Hangover...

[winged stump]

btw, i have only 37 or 38 escape attempts already lmao

[vernal dune]

all gone

yeah took me 30-something tries to finally get a win too

but im now at like 90 runs and 30 wins

feels good

[winged stump]

wow

[coral flicker]

oh okay that wasn't just me beng bad

I got exactly 50% winrate at 100 runs

[tame bison]

My first win was like at run 50

[winged stump]

oo

[coral flicker]

also Guan Yu feels akward AF to me

dunno how you people do it

[vernal dune]

i wish the game kept a direct tally of your winrate

[winged stump]

guan yu?

[vernal dune]

hidden aspect

[coral flicker]

Arthur's is great though, for some reason that one works for me

you'll see for yourself Diavolo

[vernal dune]

for Guan Yu you basically need to start with maxing it out

cuz uh

yikes

[coral flicker]

I did

yes

yikes indeed

[vernal dune]

ah

well the lifesteal is kind of a bait imo

[winged stump]

i'm so confused

[coral flicker]

you'll see for yourself

let's just say there is still TONS to do after Hades

[winged stump]

still gotta see demeter

[vernal dune]

got curious as to my actual winrate, 36/95

[coral flicker]

damnit

now you got me starting up the game

should be ~70/120 for me now?

[vernal dune]

close to 38% winrate

i will blame Theseus and Dad for most of the remaining 62%

[coral flicker]

68/121

[vernal dune]

damn

[coral flicker]

slightly dissapointing but

oh well

[winged stump]

i was looking at my achievements, 6 in one day :0

[coral flicker]

I did throw at least 4 runs at EM Hades

god damn

[vernal dune]

i still havent dared to try him yet

[tame bison]

Oh give me a minute to check mine so you can all feel better about yourselves

[winged stump]

my play time is 26.1 hours- wha

[vernal dune]

it sneaks up on you

[coral flicker]

I...

eh

[vernal dune]

i have 103.4 hours and ive only had it for like two weeks

[coral flicker]

put in 80 hours

in the first 2 weeks

I am now at 119.4

I am still at an average of 40hrs/week

[turbid needle]

Full-time job never was so sweet.

[coral flicker]

121 fucking escape attempts

and at last

I can play that lyre

[vernal dune]

someone didnt practice! :^)

[coral flicker]

I practiced that thing more religiously than I do my own piano playing

[winged stump]

oop

[vernal dune]

(i legit have no idea what the flags were for progressing that little subplot)

[coral flicker]

[winged stump]

i might go farm a few diamonds

[vernal dune]

oh sorry wasnt aware we were all still pre-middle school

[coral flicker]

did the word start with an f?

[vernal dune]

no

[winged stump]

pfft

[coral flicker]

I dunno what this server flags as profanity

[vernal dune]

like it was literally "baby's first naughty word"

[winged stump]

gasp

[coral flicker]

also about that Diavolo

when you think you no longer need diamonds well eh

you are wrong

[vernal dune]

i dont need diamonds!

[winged stump]

oh i already know

[vernal dune]

why purchase the songs in-game when they make such nice trade-ups to more TITAN BLOOD

i need POWER

[tame bison]

I’m at 31 wins and 109 attempts so you guys can all feel better now 🙂

[coral flicker]

I still have 60 ambrosia laying around

I should get around to upgrading my thingies

someone I know that has like half my hours is now ~63rd in speedruns

and it is making me feel insufficient

[vernal dune]

eh, some people just click faster than others

[winged stump]

i think i have 2

hehe

[coral flicker]

oh also grinding stuff gets significantly more expedient after a few victories

[winged stump]

actually, i think i may just save my progress now and give my hands a break, continuing for tomorrow (which is actually just later today).

[coral flicker]

felt that last bit

[vernal dune]

god if that aint a mood

[winged stump]

yup XD

my first 12 hours were me playing till almost 5 in the morning

[coral flicker]

also felt

[tame bison]

I’m winning much more now that I’m playing what I like

Instead of following the dark glow thing

Dark thirst

[coral flicker]

oh I still follow the dark thirst

whichever weapon thirsts I use, keeps things interesting

[tame bison]

Yeah it’s great while growing strength too