And since you have Lady Aphrodite boons, you have a good chance for Smoldering to have pretty much 98% uptime on Second Wind.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
But any of Second Wind, Greater Evasion, and Hyper Sprint are really strong on Excalibur because they give you even more eHP.
You can get to Hades with like 3k+ eHP.
turbid needle
Effective HP?
plucky harbor
I think so
cunning urchin
Yes.
turbid needle
Friggin' Charon giving me 3 Ares boons in Styx after I've got Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle.
5 Sack'd. 🇫
zealous light
Does the level/rarity of the actual base cast boon influence the stats of duo cast boons based off of it?
turbid needle
Aggy is correct.
Sweet Nectar increases all Pom levels by 1, period.
Regular Poms give 2 levels, super Poms give 3, no matter what your prereq Aphro and Poseidon boons are.
But Hunting Blades' damage relies on your Slicing Shot damage.
zealous light
Ah. That explains why the Slicing Shot boon persists even after I acquire Hunting Blades?
turbid needle
The informative text on Duos and Legendaries is generally pretty good about outlining what they do, so if they specify a particular boon you can bet they'll rely on that boon's traits.
Yes.
Hunting Blades isn't a Cast on its own, it modifies Slicing Shot.
zealous light
And why I could only shoot my pomegranate seeds after I purged Slicing Shot at the fondue fountain and still had Hunting Blades listed.
zealous light
And then reaquired Slicing Shot at the next area but with a higher rarity.
turbid needle
Oh, that's a galaxy filament brain move, wow.
zealous light
I literally only did it because my bro watching me play was like "does it let you purge your cast?"
He was impressed that it even allows you to make that "mistake", and more impressed at there being possible motivation to do so. Although I was not paying attention to how much damage my Hunting Blades were doing before and after the rarity change so I really wanted to know.
Thanks.
cloud vault
How does the Epic +% talent work exactly?
I'm imagining a scale where a d100 is rolled to determine rarity
Does the Epic talent cut into the common, or rare, or is it something else
dry ember
I think that's how it works yeah
cloud vault
Makes me wonder if we are better off going for the epic+ instead of the duo talent
Since epic boons notably have twice the base power of commons, for attacks anyway
turbid needle
Hunting Blades does way more for a Cast build than Epic>Common Slicing Shot.
cloud vault
Indeed, cast builds specifically are better off with duo
Since they all for the most part want duos and legendaries
turbid needle
Splitting Bolt does way more for a Malphon Lightning Strike build than Epic>Common Lightning Strike.
cloud vault
Aphrodite attack on Arthur tho
Anyway it's not you can't get the leg/duo with it. The chances is 10% less without it. Meanwhile the Epic boost is 20%
untold vortex
it's all personal preference, the 10% is incredible if you're pushing for specific builds that make great use out of legendaries and duo's
turbid needle
Why did I take an Ares/Demeter Trial with Malphon?
turbid needle
Also, I'm calling shenanigans.
dry ember
Because Frost Strike Artic Blast Fists is awesome?
turbid needle
Rare Crop boosted Lightning Strike to Rare but this exchange for Curse of Agony only gets me a Rare.
I did have a Frost Strike exchange earlier but I lost to EM4 Dad last run with Aspect of Zeus so my objective this run is to fill Greece with lightning.
Like a crossover between Static Shock and Touhou.
Also, forgot to mention this, a while back (as in well before 1.0) Duo/Legendary spawn chance was nerfed heavily, to the point where God's Legacy brought it back up to pre-nerf chance. Between how powerful Dark Foresight is and Fated Persuasion, I don't see any reason to not run GL until you're using AP2 at extremely high Heat.
unkempt pagoda
Does the Epic talent cut into the common, or rare, or is it something else
from what ive heard, it rolls per rarity, per boon slot.
i.e. duo/legendary chance is rolled first; if that fails, then the game rolls your epic boon chance. if that fails, then rare chance, and if that fails, you get a common boon
exchanges are somewhere in there too
so basically, it all stacks
hallow ibex
What is a good build for chirons bow
turbid needle
Heartbreak Strike and Deadly Flourish is the primary build.
hallow ibex
I seem to make it to hades with the bow over anything else so I'd give it a shot
turbid needle
Lights of Ixions should be auto-grabs when you've got Exclusive Access and Fated Persuasion, right?
lone ledge
What is a good build for chirons bow
for chiron bow try ares or aphrodite attack with dionysus special and go for the duo
another fun one is aphro attack with demeter special with arctic blast
hollow helm
Heartbreak Strike/Deadly Flourish is the most optimal build, but Ares/Aphto Attack with Dio Special also works
gusty rapids
dio special can be very fun w Chiron yeah
hollow helm
the thing with Deadly Flourish is that it scales insanely well if you get both concentrated and relentless
gusty rapids
especially with the duos
lone ledge
yeah the crit build will give you the fastest clears
hollow helm
Chiron deals a lot of single-target damage so getting something like Tidal/Passion Dash is ideal
Tidal for the best AOE dash, and Passion in case you went Ares attack and want to do Curse of Nausea/Low Tolerance memes
lone ledge
another one you can try is athena attack + dash with ares special, which can actually be pretty effective especially if you get dire misfortune + impending doom
stack 8x doom then dash
generally fists are the best weapon for that strategy but I'm willing to bet chiron could pull it off too
hallow ibex
||Really trying to beat Hades' 2nd phase || he's a pain in my rear and all the options here I'm gonna try
lone ledge
||Really trying to beat Hades' 2nd phase || he's a pain in my rear and all the o...
shield is what I used for my first run, can block the lasers
hallow ibex
Lasers not the issue
hallow ibex
In general
gusty rapids
pots and spin attacks are usually the hard parts for me wrt hades
sonic juniper
Learn to i-frame the spins
turbid needle
if you can manage to get into his center when he does the 360 laser, you can get some dps in as that is a safe spot
gusty rapids
extra dashes or hyper sprint can be useful to escape if u can snag them
if not, what sketch said
i framing the spins, tho thats harder
turbid needle
not really, no
lone ledge
athena dash is also useful for surviving the fight as you can deflect the skulls
turbid needle
just dash to his back when you see the circle around him or smth
keen pike
I think that's way harder than you're giving it credit for
gusty rapids
athena dash is useful for everything because its athena dash
lone ledge
athena dash was definitely my saving grace on my first run to completion
turbid needle
I think that's way harder than you're giving it credit for
disagree, but that's imo
athena dash is still my #1 boon
keen pike
At one point you could've caught me saying I'd feel safer with just Athena's dash and no other boons Vs every other non deflect boon in the game
Which is obviously hyperbole, but yaknow. 👀
It's pretty good
turbid needle
it do be
lone ledge
since I do speedruns I normally end up going with tidal dash for the dps or passion dash for the synergy with crit builds (unless I'm running ME fists), but athena dash is still definitely the ideal dash for most builds
very much appreciated at high heat
gusty rapids
athena dash is my high heat crutch yeah lmao
lone ledge
in general I rarely use any dash other than those three (will run hunter dash on nemesis though) unless I'm running some gimmicky build
turbid needle
blade dash gilga is pretty funny
lone ledge
yeah that's quite fun
lone ledge
it can be if you have the right boons to enhance it, otherwise it's pretty meh
lone ledge
with static discharge it's a lot better
also pairs well with lightning reflexes
however for dps tidal and blade dash are still generally better
sullen valley
aight what the here triggers the "Made Friends Along the Way" title
gusty rapids
seeing every story room
sullen valley
Aaah, neat!
lone ledge
beowulf with aphro cast is good too
especially since it can trigger privileged status when paired with demeter attack/snow burst
also can count towards parting shot duo
still vigil
what should i choose fer hammers if im runnin achilles cast build?
proven osprey
I think they would not matter at all
I mean you still have access to serrated/flurry jab which are powerful hammers
But good hammers enhance attack while you're going for a cast build
You could go hybrid I guess at low heat
cosmic hornet
wait i thought high heat achilles runs hybrid build with artemis attack
gusty rapids
they do
proven osprey
Sure thing
gusty rapids
most speed runs w Achilles also go hybrid
proven osprey
But I think it's not high heat or speedrun anyway
gusty rapids
flurry and serrated are usually the go-to, serrated can be a bit more situational since it has the reduced range but it’s very powerful
u can never go wrong with flurry idt
proven osprey
wait i thought high heat achilles runs hybrid build with artemis attack
I meant that cast builds suffer at high heat
Hence you would not go full cast
gusty rapids
tbh I can’t think of any other decent hammers, maybe extending jab? that wouldn’t be bad
cosmic hornet
oh i see
proven osprey
For me these 2 hammers are very good
gusty rapids
achilles often can’t go full cast since it doesn’t have a reliable way of removing bloodstones rly
like hera and Poseidon do
proven osprey
Extended seems ok but it's actually garbage
royal helm
I don't think it's garbage... just bland and there's better hammers
gusty rapids
that’s fair
proven osprey
Yeah that's why I meant I'm a bit extreme lmao
royal helm
I haven't played a lot with Extending Jab... but I feel like it frequently whiffs / doesn't autoaim well on pad
proven osprey
But 40% is not enough imo. I think keeping your distance to get the buff would actually make you dps less
royal helm
So you actually tend not to be able to get value out of the additional range unless you're playing on KMB...
And, to me, playing on KMB is weird... don't have the habit/muscle memory
smoky sinew
achilles offers something else though. You have rly good movement it's not all about cast
proven osprey
I mean I like extended to hit across from pits in styx and that's it
royal helm
kbm* oops
smoky sinew
it's complete the way it is
raven aspen
https://youtu.be/7slMWvGKEaA
ME build with Zeus shield aspect, unlikely didn't catch Billowing strength, not so bad, but with fists works better
royal helm
You might honestly just be able to deflect EM4 hades spear with athena attack / flurry jab such that you only have to dodge the spin
That sure would be nice, if so
proven osprey
I would not try that lol
royal helm
I might try it, at some point... but just with EM4 on
proven osprey
Yeah testing it would be fun
royal helm
Spear kind of struggles with DPS... so... if you can get away with Athena attack, you almost need/want Deadly Reversal
proven osprey
But to me deflecting attacks are more a miracle than anything else
Hades spear throw is so fast too
royal helm
yep
lone ledge
achilles has the best dps of the spears
proven osprey
hot take
royal helm
A bit of a toss up between Hades / Achilles...
Because the Achilles spear is forced to do its rotation every 4 attacks
gloomy zenith
am i doing something wrong? i'm only in asphodel and i'm using maxed chaos shield with a level 4 aphro special, hitting all my bonus shields into one enemy and still barely doing any damage
royal helm
But if you get Glacial Glare / Hunting Blades / Mirage Shot it probably just is more dps than hades
royal helm
yea... I have AP2 blinders on 
hoary slate
am i doing something wrong? i'm only in asphodel and i'm using maxed chaos shiel...
you're using a percentage scaling on 15 basedamage per shield.
proven osprey
I think thunder flourish is still the way to go on Chaos?
gloomy zenith
ah. earlier when i asked which boons to use on chaos in this channel someone said aphro was good
proven osprey
ah. earlier when i asked which boons to use on chaos in this channel someone sai...
Yeah this channel is cursed
hoary slate
just any damage that doesn't come from the basedamage should be fine
gloomy zenith
lmao that's the opposite of what i was suggested
proven osprey
I had a fun chaos run a while a go. Tempest flourish with Sea storm
gloomy zenith
sea storm is amazing
proven osprey
But for consistency I'd go Thunder flourish or Doom
gloomy zenith
thank you for the help
sonic juniper
Aphro is probably good as secondary, unlocks smoldering air, but yeah not as the shield special
gloomy zenith
what is better for chaos, sudden rush or explosive return?
hoary slate
return
gloomy zenith
oki
sand vapor
whats a good build for zag aspect sword? 
it really is meh when you compare it to the other 3
cloud vault
The ME zeus aspect, do you put the ares on attack or special? It seems ares on special would be faster damage, but the auto deflection provided by constant special hits seems very good
lone ledge
The ME zeus aspect, do you put the ares on attack or special? It seems ares on s...
use athena attack + dash with ares special
that way you can benefit from dire misfortune stacking
coarse moss
whats a good build for zag aspect sword? <:residentzag:580097451197857816> it re...
in my experience, hammers make or break the zag sword run. world splitter, double edge, piercing wave etc
proven osprey
Double edge into crit, builds around call/smoldering air, Merciful End
Athena special in general is very good
I would consider deadly reversal
lone ledge
the sword probably has the worst hammers overall, but certain combinations are really good
like cursed slash + flurry slash
or double nova + super nova
heady peak
Right now I need to use hunter's mark to activate privileged status, but one of these boons needs to go, which one? Weapon is arthur sword
https://i.imgur.com/NV4NIqM.png
https://i.imgur.com/e19ha3D.png
spark meteor
would still go with hunter's mark
divine dash is just too good in general and epic swift strike on arthur is spicy
coarse moss
i'm always iffy when taking hunter's mark. it doesn't work when enemy is alone, right?
heady peak
Theseus got done it by it, so I guess it's time to shine has passed
sand vapor
eh
gloomy zenith
is explosive fire on hestia good?
gloomy zenith
would it be better than rocket
coarse moss
it does feel like rocket became redundant when you can just do empowered shot
torpid moat
hi so i have a choice to make and i dont know what to choose so, I have a boon from demeter and i can take either stubborn roots or killing freeze
so what should i take
heady peak
get roots, sell roots for gold, buy something else with the gold is what I would do
torpid moat
should i take posseidons boon
gloomy zenith
which one?
gloomy zenith
what weapon
torpid moat
i can go for money or posseidon aspect of arthur
gloomy zenith
what do you have on attack and special?
torpid moat
i have arty on atk and athena on special
gloomy zenith
probably money
torpid moat
ok
is tidal dash good i happened to have to choose between posseidon and darkness and chose boon
gloomy zenith
tidal dash is very good, though i've never used it on arthur
gloomy zenith
it'll probably be good, you just might have to adjust your spacing on attacks a bit
so account for the push back
torpid moat
ok
gloomy zenith
but with arthur you do a lot of dashing, and tidal dash racks up damage fast
torpid moat
ok
idk what hermes is good for
i mean using my special a little bit faster is good but idk
i can choose money
gloomy zenith
hermes gives extra dashes which are good. faster attack on arthur is also crunchy
gloomy zenith
i personally don't like it
torpid moat
or faster attack
gloomy zenith
faster attack for sure
torpid moat
i think faster attack
thin jetty
i personally find the extra speed and dashes from hermes really helpful!
torpid moat
should i sell stuborn roots
gloomy zenith
yes it is trash
torpid moat
money good
coarse moss
30% faster attack on arthur is soo good
near pelican
@coarse moss Yessss, it's like butter. Makes blasting Hades in the backside while he's spraying his beam so easy.
coarse moss
slow him with chill + hallowed ground mwahaha
torpid moat
man tidal dash is soo good
i clapped the heroes
ok so any tips for last boss
???
gloomy zenith
when he starts doing his basic slash slash spin combos move behind him and back up
torpid moat
cuz i have pretty good things 250 hp and no deaths so i really want to do thus
gloomy zenith
then punish
gloomy zenith
go behind pillar for the big flame circle attack. or if you're feeling cheeky, if you're able to go right next to him while he's doing the flame circle attack you won't take damage and you can wail on him
coarse moss
his attacks are easy to predict but hit hard. so take your time to not get hit
gloomy zenith
he has two phases, so watch out for that
torpid moat
i have 2 death defiances so i shall have a chance
gloomy zenith
in his first phase he goes invincible for a time when he's at 2/3 health and when he's at 1/3 health
gloomy zenith
in his second phase he goes invincible when he's at 1/2 health
winged bolt
Is there some secret to using the final aspect of the spear? It just feels, at best, half as powerful as literally any other aspect in the game but maybe I'm playing it wrong
coarse moss
it gets hard when theres a lot of bombs and minions on screen. kill bombs first i'd say
gloomy zenith
if you can kill the skulls before they explode then do that, but time your dash so you go though the circle they shoot out
gloomy zenith
good luck mate
winged bolt
wish me luck im going
good luck!
near pelican
Gods-speed!
coarse moss
Is there some secret to using the final aspect of the spear? It just feels, at b...
guanyu spin is 50 damage per hit if you charge it to max. pretty strong. really need the hammer for spin speed imo. seems athena attack is great for making safe spaces. the special is pretty good too for killing smaller things
winged bolt
yea, I kinda felt that I really need to rely on the special more than I am, but even then the -50% HP is a ridiculous drawback
it's like adding 10 heat to your run
coarse moss
it sure does. could be a freebie if you're good at not getting hit though (not me) 😆
torpid moat
he bully me so bad
winged bolt
I read some history in here, looks like I should probably try to get aphro on att/sp early
"Just don't get hit" 
torpid moat
bruh he bamboozled me
i thought he finnished but
he combo
i mean not ok
still i got to second stage half life
coarse moss
he bamboozled us all ainzwish lmao
winged bolt
that's good progress!
torpid moat
thx
gloomy zenith
yeah, the game doesn't expect you to beat hades until after multiple tries
each time you learn his attack patterns, and eventuially you'll beat him
near pelican
Yeah his second stage combo maims if you don't know the timing.
I like the sound it makes when you get hit by his spear tho
gloomy zenith
slicing shot sucks unless you have the duo with artemis
torpid moat
so the other one
gloomy zenith
take blade dash
torpid moat
ok
unkempt pagoda
the biggest problem with blade dash is that it's not divine dash
smoky sinew
first time doing the monthly challenges and I gotta say they are fun and they are another way to have fun with the game. Def looking out for the next ones!! (Couldnt do the bonuses though too hard 😦 )
rare kindle
Do Erebus Gates count for god keepsake use?
I ask because one time I had on Poseidon keepsake, but the next regular door was Aphrodite and the erebus gate was Poseidon
torpid moat
clouded judgement or static discharge
i have the duo from arty so i thing i should take static
but idk
cunning urchin
first time doing the monthly challenges and I gotta say they are fun and they ar...
m glad you like them! I designed the extra challenge to be challenging even for our high heat veterans, so don't feel bad about that. I'd need a couple tries to do it, too. Maybe you could try the 10 god extra challenge, though, if you want to do an extra challenge. 
You could also watch some of the extra challenge wins and see if you can pick up anything that would help you. 
smoky sinew
I tried the extra god many times and I got close 2 but I couldn't it. It's ok though and I understand you need to do something for them to be challenging and fun for everyone so the bonus is doing it's job perfectly fine^
rare kindle
Also, any tips for Guan Yu?
I’m currently trying an Athena spin attack + Athena dash build, and because I have ares special, I can also get merciful end
proven osprey
I HAVE TIPS
zealous light
I like Guan Yu a lot but when I see what my early boons/hammers are I make a decision to emphasize the spin attack or the special.
proven osprey
I’m currently trying an Athena spin attack + Athena dash build, and because I ha...
Divine strike is really good, but you should not go for ME without Ares on attack
zealous light
Also I generally tend to still pick up a decent amount of max health boosters despite the handicap to them. Getting over 100 HP will help you a lot vs Dad EX.
proven osprey
Divine spin build is decent really, with quick or massive spin. Or both
Spin builds are really good for calls too
zealous light
Quick Spin and Massive Spin is my preferred to Flaring Spin or Winged Serpent but all of those are improvements to the spin attack so eh
smoky sinew
I HAVE TIPS
for the challenges? im listening
proven osprey
The danger is EM4 obviously. You'll need a decent build to get to Dad so you can take your time
There's no FO involved so you can play slow
Since you have Ares keepsake, you can pray for Merciful End if Athena shows up
Otherwise I'll build around a strong call
Since Zag sword deals no dmg
gleaming bramble
hey everyone. Is anything else than Zeus viable on adamant rail ?
smoky sinew
thanks but as I told you I'm not gonna try it again E4 with time limit every styx room sword which is my worst weapon and no build freedom is too much for me
I barely did the normal one with 30 seconds left
smoky sinew
hey everyone. Is anything else than Zeus viable on adamant rail ?
which aspect?
gleaming bramble
i don't really care, but my prefered are lucifer and eris
rare kindle
Yeah, Aphrodite or Artemis special also work, especially if you get the rocket bomb hammer
smoky sinew
for lucifer Athena and infinte ammo is super op
proven osprey
thanks but as I told you I'm not gonna try it again E4 with time limit every sty...
Oh I thought you were, ok!
sonic mural
why athena?
echo radish
Deflecto beam
smoky sinew
for Hestia Artemis or Aphro are good
I think the beam dosent deflect but when you shout there circle around you deflects everything
zealous light
Dio can be pretty nice on Rail's quick main attack.
smoky sinew
I dont rly play eris so idk
zealous light
Eris has a cool damage boost that works on like everything and can be a cast weapon.
proven osprey
Eris has a cool damage boost that works on like everything and can be a cast wea...
I like this reasoning
Too bad it was nerfed, huge loss for Eris casters
sonic mural
yah but archilles is better than eris if ur going cast
smoky sinew
though if you wouldn't like to start questioning your existance and why are you playing the most dumb build don't try Athena infinite ammo Lucifer
zealous light
Heh, I don't approach the weapon choice that way since I always use whatever has dark thirst and if I'm going cast every weapon has something that boosts cast somehow.
So if I'm on Exagryph and am thinking about cast, I pick Eris.
sonic mural
then what do you go on sword?
zealous light
I think my best time with Exagryph so far is still when I got really lucky using Stygian Soul but finding 2 extra permanent bloodstones through Chaos and getting the hammer for Triple Bomb and Targeting System. The main combo was Ice Wine cast and Aphrodite special, just three round bursts for a hail of slowing weakening poisoning mortars.
Sword has Poseidon as a way to get more frequent casting while using Infernal Soul and is obviously fun if you can score exit wounds.
sonic mural
ah right forgot about that
zealous light
Although my most insane exit wounds build ended up being Hera bow when I managed to get 7 dang bloodstones for the Hades fight with quick reload and Artemis cast.
3 from infernal soul, 2 from chaos boons, 1 from Artemis Legendary, and 1 from a pool in temple that hadn't worn off before I got the satyr sack.
echo radish
Is Artemis cast really worth it?
zealous light
Meh. It basically can't overshoot when using Hera so I like it.
echo radish
Oh wait does hera attack penetrate or does it cast on impact
zealous light
Hera attack CAN penetrate depending.
Like I overshot it like crazy trying to use aphrodite with it.
echo radish
Yea I was using ares, didn't have the best time
zealous light
Hunting Blades makes it a lot better since it can loop back around.
echo radish
That was the plan but I didn't get the duo
zealous light
That's how it always happens ain't it?
All my best runs are "whoops, got something good"
or "wow, this WORKS?"
gloomy zenith
what are some fun builds for hestia
echo radish
I think demeter legendary is my favorite thing to force
zealous light
what are some fun builds for hestia
Blisters on my thumbs from reloading so much?
echo radish
I'm guessing hestia needs you to take all the undamaged enemy bonuses
Wait does breaking shield count as damaging an enemy?
gloomy zenith
backstabs are actually quite good on hestia i've found
echo radish
I've played hestia only once i didn't explore it too much cause I was wondering how I'm gonna make it work on bosses
zealous light
With Hestia all I know is when I pick up a hammer my eyes search for either Explosive Fire, Ricochet Fire, or Spread Fire. You can only get one but they all benefit from a beefy first round.
coarse moss
hunter dash, targeting hammer
gloomy zenith
wait, you can dash strike with hestia?
echo radish
You can dash strike with all guns
gloomy zenith
i didn't know it worked with the single shot though
echo radish
Or well all weapons
zealous light
Dash Attack is still attack and yeah it works.
coarse moss
oh dont forget chaos dash-strike
languid dagger
get Artemis attack and Artemis dash-strike
and Aphro on special
easy build
reload > dash > attack
zealous light
Oh, Seeking Fire is another option for the hammers, it's only 10% but that's still something else stacked on there. Also helps you not miss with your boosted round and be more mindless with your shots and dashing trajectories which helps me since I already hate manually reloading and can't keep track of too many things at once with my smooth pomegranate brain.
solid cairn
richochet is the best
languid dagger
ricochet, ye
solid cairn
piercing can be good for shield guys
languid dagger
I actually found out that Hazzard bomb works pretty well too with hestia
like with Aphro you can get 200% boon easiliy and then 300% from Hazzard that cover huge area with weak for heart rend
it's also very fun to use
loud cloud
Hey can I have some help
loud cloud
So are spoiler? Weapons allowed
loud cloud
So should I get eternal chamber or flash fire on igneous eden
It’s basically more range vs infinite ammo but no damage ramping
loud cloud
I don’t have that
echo radish
so if youre going for the meme then sure otherwise flash fire is prolly better
loud cloud
If I did I would get infinite ammo
Since IMO Athena has the best attack boon, with really good damage boost, and deflection
Deflection on the igneus eden makes you basically invincible to projectiles from the front
echo radish
yea its a fun build
echo radish
my fav is prolly demeter but also i havent actually done any runs with lucifer
echo radish
though i think if you can score aphro or ares duos dio might be better
since you can just blast for a bit and keep running
echo radish
i'd agree but my last three runs were with trippy fog and its insane
gloomy zenith
it's like the second worst cast without hunting blades imo
loud cloud
I really like it on bosses
echo radish
like you dont need duos to make fog work
but also if you get duos its even more insane
gloomy zenith
the vast majority of enemies are too mobile to get base aries cast to deal good damage
echo radish
jolting and chilling in fog with stagger and bonus damage and damage reduction
its the dream
gleaming bramble
trippy fog + zeus is insane. I got a run where I got lucky enough to have zeus/dio + zues/artemis, is was so fun
heady peak
I just won the lottery
https://i.imgur.com/wsSJC9A.png
loud oracle
What are some tips to get faster runs? The fastest ive gotten was 14 minutes and 44 seconds with the demeter fists
dry ember
Pause timer while making decision, always check for free rooms, buy Chaos gates, don't take TD so trial rooms can appear, pray for Thanatos, use the most optimized builds for the weapon of choice, and practice.
Also you can take FO2 so enemies can spawn faster (though this is ever so marginally faster in my experience), EM2 so Hydra heads gather closer.
loud oracle
Thanks!
cunning urchin
@loud oracle this is a good guide. https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU
Watch speedruns or high heat runs with the aspect you're struggling with and take note of the builds they're going for and any attack rotations they do etc. If you can't figure something out, ask them or ask somebody else who might be able to help.
dry shuttle
I've got 50 hours into the game and my main goal atm is to complete all my relationships and finish runs faster. I currently don't have a sub-20 run. Any speedrunning tips?
lol that's convenient
sonic juniper
Free rooms save a crazy amount of time. If you want speed, you have to sacrifice power (skip non-free rooms that have things you like)
balmy portal
though the best free rooms still give power
like chaos rooms
also try running with the timer on (9 minutes per floor)
anytime it's ticking down while you're thinking, pause the game to stop it so you can think freely
you'll see when it's ticking and when it's not
be aware that both the "survive for 45 seconds" and the "Deal with Thanatos" rooms don't run the timer
turbid needle
survive for 45 seconds rooms don't show up when u have td on
sonic mural
for thanatos if you do have a menu(boon, well) that you can pull up, do that when waiting for him to disappear
turbid needle
also open the codex when the than encounter stops
sonic mural
he takes like 20 seconds its pretty dumb
turbid needle
I go
finish encounter, move to exit doors → codex → pick up centaur heart → codex
balmy portal
yeah the survive for 45 second rooms are disabled with the timer, but it's good to keep in mind they don't run it if you're going for speed - it means the fastest recorded runs are done without the timer
since there's one more freebie room possible
turbid needle
ye
dawn sequoia
how does cold embrace work
the beam fires at you so how do you deal damage with it?
do you stand behind enemies or somethin?
idont think so
forest marsh
No, beam attacks can't be deflected
balmy portal
you can spoiler here freely
vernal dune
you have to put || in front of and behind spoiler'd text
balmy portal
and to spoiler in discord you put ||around|| it
tame bison
Ares/Artemis duo boon plus Demeter call, greater recall, aphro/Artemis duo boon, and all the crit buffs and support fire....
dry ember
you can spoiler here freely
Batman is Bruce Wayne
balmy portal
cold embrace works terribly, in general
vernal dune
Crystal Clarity, on the other hand....
balmy portal
it's best if you're using the ammo system, drop all your ammo, and then get on the far side
vernal dune
now THATS a duo boon for the lasers
balmy portal
but it's still awkward like crazy
dawn sequoia
im just trying to get it
for the prophecy
was curios in 30% damage but when it says the beam focuses u
idont get it lol
balmy portal
it shoots at you, and ends when it reaches you
so yeah the only way to hurt things is to get on the far side of them
rare kindle
I still need a few more cast duos for the prophecy
woeful shale
Will be using ||GIRUGAMESH|| fists for the first time. Athena crit stacking should be safe bet, right?
dry ember
Do you mean Artemis?
frail schooner
do you mean B l a d e D a s h ? ? ?
dry ember
Honestly I don't know what's good and what's not on it. Everything sounds fine.
woeful shale
Oh, right. Artemis.
turbid needle
blade dash ganf
woeful shale
oh. right. the multi dash thing.
The game gave me Zeus epic bolt dash and his legendary boon instead.
bright sandal
Does Patroclus' Cyclops Jerky Select only benefit your attack and not your special/cast?
turbid needle
just ur attack
versed spoke
do you stop getting rewards (titans blood ambrosia diamonds) after 20 heat?
gusty rapids
yes
versed spoke
oh wow
versed spoke
I mean. 25 is too close to 20
Hmm. I didn't have to fight ultra hades all those times.
But I did anyways. Oh well
Does Charon have more attacks if you have extreme measures on?
@gusty rapids
versed spoke
So extreme measures Hades is the toughest enemy by far.
gusty rapids
pretty much
rare kindle
Be cool if there was an extreme measures specifically for charon
gusty rapids
yeah
rare kindle
But I guess it would ruin him being a secret boss
versed spoke
I think that without extreme measures Charon and Hades are about same difficulty
But, I like to think Charon is tougher
Btw. How do you guys likethe aspect of Guan Yu?
i mean
how do you like it
gusty rapids
personally i like it a lot but u have to get used to it, and its pretty crap unless its invested
at low levels the health drop is just too severe
versed spoke
So, what's your best weapon then?
gusty rapids
probably rama or hestia
gusty rapids
nah hestia's actually much different than the other rails
artemis is the way for both of them really
rama can go any percentage boon (like aphro), but hestia really likes to crit
versed spoke
hestia is the one where you get 75% damage form special right?
gusty rapids
no thats eris
versed spoke
ok
gusty rapids
that one you use zeus on yeah
versed spoke
so hestia is the 150 sniper
gusty rapids
yes
versed spoke
so, does one spam the reload shot? or empty the clip?
I know the current speedrun wr is with hestia
gusty rapids
uh for speedrunning im not actually sure i havent seen the vid, but for general play, or high heat play
you spam the reload shot
also the new world record is by eris, it just hasnt been approved by the website yet iirc
versed spoke
cool, that's a fun fact
gusty rapids
eris is generally considered to be the fastest weapon
versed spoke
the eris with the no reload 3 burst hammer is a dream
gusty rapids
yeah its great
versed spoke
- zeus attack, oh my god
Well. Aspect of Guan Yu is the only weapon I've been able to consistently increase heat with, and eventually beat extreme hades
Then at 20 heat there are no more rewards so I'm having to change weapons etc
I originally hated Guan Yu, but hot dang, that with with divine attack, you can play a style similar to the shield, except that you deal damage and heal all at once
gusty rapids
personally i loved putting demeter on the attack so you can slow enemies down a ton with ur spin
giving u even more time to spin
versed spoke
woaw.....
thats sounds way legit
the spin does block some type of ranged attacks
so, it would be benefitial to use demeter
rare kindle
Guan Yu so wants to be max level before you play around with it
versed spoke
for sure, its all maxed out
My favorite is gilgamesh though. If you get heroic hermes boon, you can dash 8 times
btw, what's the best cast boon?
gusty rapids
yeah gilgamesh can get really funny with that lmao
especially with blade dash
wdym best cast boon? like the best cast out of all the gods?
versed spoke
yeah
gusty rapids
that honestly depends on what you're going for
they're all balanced enough that you can use any of them
demeter and ares cast require a bit of work to do well though
but other than that the others are pretty solid
versed spoke
is the best weapons for cast the poseidon sword?
rare kindle
I played around with curse of drowning for the duo prophecy, ended up being really powerful and I won that run
gusty rapids
achilles, beowulf, hera are all good too
rare kindle
Depends on the cast
gusty rapids
poseidon isnt universally the best by any means
rare kindle
Achilles is better for non sticking, Poseidon is good if they stick
dry ember
There isn't a best cast aspect imo.
turbid needle
exit wounds poseidon lol
rare kindle
I’m bad at Beowulf and I havent played around with Hera yet
versed spoke
Is beowulf as good as they say?
dry ember
Everytime some one askes what is the best of X, the answer sounds like a cop out but it's true. There isn't a best aspect.
versed spoke
Man. I might say that Guan Yu and Eris may be contenders for the pound for pound best
turbid needle
love that
dry ember
Is beowulf as good as they say?
Yeah it's good if you can use it well. It's not as straight forward as it sounds.
gusty rapids
yeah im not good at beowulf lol
need more practice
hera is much more intuitive to me
turbid needle
I like how beo changes the way u think about bull rish
dry ember
my 2 brain cells can handle that
versed spoke
lol\
first thing i killed hades with was chaos shield
so, the shield has that soft spot in my heart, even though its slow as hell to play with, all my longest runs are with shield aspects
dry ember
shield is good. zeus shield can be pretty fun with Merciful End also.
gusty rapids
i need to try that
turbid needle
and thunder flourish
gusty rapids
i havent done a single zeus shield run lol
turbid needle
free win lol
versed spoke
i havent done a single zeus shield run lol
I also have aspects that I've yet to use
Guan Yu makes me feel safe
25 health = safe
gusty rapids
LOL
versed spoke
But seriously though. The punishment were healing items no longer heal you. That's just free heat when you use Guan Yu. Because Guan Yu heals at the same rate regardless of punishment.
I'm also at the point were I'm no longer scared of Charon. I still respect the heck out of him though, not like i'm going to style on his butt, but, I used to be terified of the guy.
I wish I could say " I can use any aspect easy" but I can't. Kinda feels like I'm lacking.
stray apex
What should i choose for first five heats?
versed spoke
Whatever for sure you know you kick ass with
turbid needle
I can use any aspect other than zag spear, guan yu, or gilgamesh
versed spoke
dude, gilgamesh is the most op gauntlet
you can always get at least 5 dashes on any run
turbid needle
still didn't like it
turbid needle
id much rather use dem fists
versed spoke
but da dash
turbid needle
but the nuke upper
turbid needle
you get 4 dashes but it wacks out the dash input
and changes the sound effect which I cant stand
versed spoke
you don't have to tap dash, you can just hold it
versed spoke
Start loving it.
turbid needle
I will never use gilgamesh again just to spite you 
versed spoke
Daddy... why did you eat my fries.. I bought them.. and they were mine
fine
Dashing is one of most if not the most mechanic in this game
turbid needle
hadeess why did you eat my dash inputs... I pressed the spacebar.. and they were mine
but yeah you are them you ate my dash inputs
cosmic hornet
@stray apex you usually want TD1 and EM1/2 at least
if you have fast weapon go for DC2
versed spoke
ha, I have hades on the switch and I play it while I make brown, makes all my brown come out nice and easy
turbid needle
🤨
versed spoke
I pity anyone who can't play hades on the toilet.
stray apex
<@!300311807585812480> you usually want TD1 and EM1/2 at least
if you have fast ...
TD1 and EM1/2 and DC 2 what are those?
turbid needle
pact conditions
cosmic hornet
tight deadline, the one that gives you time limit
extreme measures, makes boss harder
DC2, gives enemies 2 hit worth of armor
turbid needle
tight deadline 1 (9 minute timer per region), extreme measures (tougher bosses), damage control (enemies take 1-2 extra hits)
stray apex
Thanks guys @turbid needle @cosmic hornet
versed spoke
yeah, I use Middle Management, the one where they get blue hearts and Jury summons, and that's a pretty simple heat to beat, thats like 6 heat right there
versed spoke
Thanks guys <@456226577798135808> <@178672530893176833>
btw, the final level of extremem measures gives you 4 heat because it makes Hades into an unstoppable killing machine
turbid needle
just gotta make it outta tartarus
versed spoke
he revives twice now, so you'll have to fight hades 3 times
turbid needle
asphodel is so short that it's basically free time
stray apex
Oops
I have only defeated hades with rail
I have made it to final with other but couldnt beat him
cosmic hornet
those heats doesn't affect hades
versed spoke
Oops
If the shop seller guy has money laying around, and you pick it up, you have to fight him. He's tied with hades as hardest boss
cosmic hornet
taking extreme measures 2 only affects furies and lernie
versed spoke
I think extreme measures 3 makes thesus and bull dude easier
stray apex
Charon is tough dude
versed spoke
I think Charon can beat Hades, if charon was a playable character or whatever
gusty rapids
the problem with em3 for me is the minotaur
stray apex
That dude is sneaky and strong
stray apex
Theseus also moves in a cart with shield right
versed spoke
oh man, its true, if you don't have ranged weapons, then extreme thesus would be difficult has heck
turbid needle
beyblade beyblade let it rip
versed spoke
Guan Yu
turbid needle
I had no trouble with the extreme boys on sord
versed spoke
You used the sword?
stray apex
Guan yu is so tough for me
versed spoke
I love sword with cursed slash or whatever
turbid needle
half of my clears are with sword
stray apex
No hit run is what i should do for guan yu
versed spoke
half of my clears are with sword
what's a sword build that you like that's very realiable and easy to pull of on most runs
stray apex
Artemis attack and aphro special is my sword runs
versed spoke
Guan Yu looks really dependent on hammers
Here's the thing about Guan yu though. The hammers that benefit it the most, you'll get them on most of your runs. Something about the RNG makes them drop a bunch
stray apex
Same for rail too
turbid needle
u can use arthur by itself and win
stray apex
I get more hammers for rail than others
turbid needle
u (almost) always get 2 hammers per run
versed spoke
Same for rail too
If you have 2 hammers and get the anvil in the final shop, you can get 3 hammers, but its gamble
stray apex
My luck is terrible
versed spoke
same
stray apex
So i dont go for anvil
versed spoke
u (almost) always get 2 hammers per run
is nemesis the second sword aspect? I forget
cosmic hornet
you should always go for anvil
cosmic hornet
otherwise it will haunt you through your entire run
stray apex
is nemesis the second sword aspect? I forget
Yes
turbid needle
u can cheese anvil by quitting out
stray apex
Whenever i choose anvil i regret it
turbid needle
and manipulate it by casting
versed spoke
Whenever i choose anvil i regret it
Same. Except for that one time many days ago.
cosmic hornet
i sometimes pick anvil when the other option is health/pom just to kick it out of the pool
turbid needle
oh I thought u were talking about the anvil in styx
stray apex
Yes styx anvil
versed spoke
and manipulate it by casting
what?!! tell me more
turbid needle
u can cheese it
pick it and if you don't like what you get then quit out
the only time it won't let you quit out is if you've fished, taken a boon from shop, or rerolled anything
rare kindle
I pick hammer on cast builds to get it out of the way
versed spoke
the only time it won't let you quit out is if you've fished, taken a boon from s...
this the greatest thing I've ever heard
@turbid needle so if you quit the game you can jump back in where you left off?
turbid needle
yeah
versed spoke
I'm so happy right now.
turbid needle
as long as
- you haven't fished
- you haven't picked up a boon or a hammer
- you haven't rerolled anything
- you aren't in a boss fight
you can even quit in the middle of room transition if you regret your choice or miss a gold pot
stray apex
as long as
- you haven't fished
- you haven't picked up a boon or a hammer
- you...
Woah man
turbid needle
this is especially apparent in asphodel
stray apex
What a man
turbid needle
not a man but thank u
stray apex
Oops sorry
stray apex
I dont like arthur that much
turbid needle
sword is good when u spam dash strike
versed spoke
yes
stray apex
Its chunky imo
versed spoke
I saw the fresh file speedrun wr and thats what he does
turbid needle
I love Arthur bc its beeg
stray apex
Haelian right
versed spoke
Is arthur your favorite sword aspect or nemesis? @turbid needle
turbid needle
they're both my favorites, but I think I like nemesis a little bit more
versed spoke
When I first used Arthur I thought it was super dope that it makes you change the pace of your game. But he more I raised the heat the more the game makes you go hard and fast.
stray apex
Nemesis is consistent
rare kindle
I haven't used nemesis sword at all
sonic juniper
Arthur to me is only tolerable at FO0, faster than that I prefer Nem
versed spoke
since I've been missing out
bleak python
quick question, anyone got footage of Dionysus' old trial of god? the one where he basically nukes you over and over again
versed spoke
quick question, anyone got footage of Dionysus' old trial of god? the one where ...
that sounds insane
turbid needle
my favorite aspects for each weapon are:
nemesis, hades, beowulf, rama, demeter, hestia
bleak python
yea my friend's just getting into hades and when he didnt pick dionysus i thought he was goners
but then it was this roof leak thing
versed spoke
my favorite aspects for each weapon are:
nemesis, hades, beowulf, rama, demeter,...
demeter is 3rd gauntlet that special hits 7 times or something?
turbid needle
ye
echo radish
yes
turbid needle
it's awesome
especially if u get arty special on it
yoooo heart rend
I've never tried that
echo radish
is gauntlet attack worth aphro though
sonic juniper
imo nah
turbid needle
just use passion dash 
echo radish
maybe dio so you can aphro somewhere else for low tolerance and splitting headache too
turbid needle
passion dash actually slaps
echo radish
guaranteed crits at that point
turbid needle
dio attack arty special passion dash with all duos between the 3
echo radish
whats the crit percentage
rare kindle
Oooh, that sounds like the dream
echo radish
12% from dio arty
echo radish
32% then
turbid needle
it's basically having arty attack
echo radish
you could hunter's mark for atleast 30% increase in the crit chance
but if your normal attack crits you'll lose it
welp just aphro cast and athena dash for another duo
turbid needle
when u deflect an attack
hmm maybe divine dash gets a pass
artys duos are so good
echo radish
nevermind just checked it
rare kindle
Nah, because divine dash doesn't enable deadly reversal
turbid needle
ah
echo radish
it needs flourish or attack no dash
turbid needle
passion dash it is then
rare kindle
For it to show up at least
echo radish
it was a good dream
turbid needle
this was my single gilg run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/782101495809048607/unknown.png
the game didn't give me the option to pom tidal dash EVER lmfao
bright sandal
Does a keepsake's bonus "+20% chance to be rare or better" increase the chance for legendaries or is that static?
woeful shale
Is it just me, or does life confirmation cancel out the reduced max HP gain from Hidden Spear? Took it and the next Centaur heart I got gave 35.
fading garden
Is it just me, or does life confirmation cancel out the reduced max HP gain from...
Was it an erebus gate?
fading garden
I think boss rooms double. So if it was a boss chamber, it would be 50
woeful shale
Oh, so that's what it does.
fading garden
Yep. So if it was a boss chamber, it sounds like hidden spear was still doing its thing
Are there any strange synergies with unshakable mettle?
woeful shale
When you need to use lots of charged/long wind-up attacks and don't want to get interrupted?
unkempt pagoda
what do you mean "strange"
wraith mantle
for aspect of demeter fists is there a consensus on whether zeus attack or ares attack is better?? or does anyone have any other suggestions?? i'm trying to just get past like heat level 6 but i keep having almost no death defiances by the time i face hades lmao...
weak violet
I usually roll with a merciful end build for fists :l
wraith mantle
Ahh okay thank you!! Fists is the only weapon that I'm having a hard time getting higher heats on... is it because i'm too reckless (probably yes)...
cunning urchin
For Malphon, I would actually say focus on getting Divine Dash or a high rarity Divine Strike at first, and then take it from there.
And just roll with what you get.
wraith mantle
Okay cool!! I'll definitely try that out tonight. Thank you!!
cunning urchin
Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames. You need to empty-dash to avoid attacks.
I imagine that's something that happens a lot where you take damage.
wraith mantle
Not me just learning dash-strikes don't have i-frames....
The world makes so much more sense....
cunning urchin
So be careful with when you Dash-Strike and focus more on doing empty dashes at first until you get more comfortable finding your spots for Dash-Strikes and stuff.
wraith mantle
Makes so much sense!!! Thank you omg
weak violet
Does kinetic launcher even work with explosive upper?
cunning urchin
More regular Attack, fewer Dash-Strikes.
Explosive Upper only affects Dash-Uppers. Pretty sure it overrides Kinetic Launcher for Dash-Uppers, but your regular Uppercuts will still shoot the projectiles.
weak violet
Yeah cuz aren’t both of those usually the best hammers for fists, preferably talos or demeter?
fading garden
what do you mean "strange"
Well, i guess in this case I mean obscure/unexpected
royal helm
Zeus attack tends to be better just on its own... at common rarity, I think?
But yeah, if you manage to get Merciful End... it's a very good build
Just takes a lot more boons
fair cairn
thoughts on aspect of arthur? it feels clunky and I dont find any particular boon working well with it
sonic juniper
It's slow but hits hard and has damage mitigation. Not good with FO, but doesn't need a lot of boons. % attack increase and crit will help you chunk hard.
dry ember
like every other weapons, it can be good.
though Arthur is very self contained
it doesn't need hammer, or any boon other than a good attack like Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike to get going
but it also doesn't scale as well as other weapons imo
but in the end of the day. 200 base damage is always good
proven osprey
Mirrorless boonless weapon
echo radish
rolled splitting headache and deadly reversal on zeus shield dio special and athena attack with pulverizing blow, it was crit town
tame bison
Builds to make hidden Railgun not awful?
fair cairn
Lucifer is very powerful what's wrong with it?
get zeus/aphro attack
stack their enhancements accordingly
tame bison
Standing still to get damage off is pretty rough
main osprey
eternal chamber so you don't care about ramping damage
fair cairn
demeter attack
tame bison
And for special...I guess Zeus Demeter would be good?
fair cairn
demeter is good
tame bison
I’ll give it another shot thanks
fair cairn
but the problem is you cant get rocket from hammer
so special will always be kinda awkward
so go all in on attack, just use special if you need those duos
for standstill ramp up try getting concentrated beam from hammer
which should be easy because like half of the standard hammer upgrades dont show up if you use Lucifer
somber hemlock
i really cant play with sword even on 5 heat, all weapon i can finish it with no problem at all, anyone can show me video best build with sword? really mad at this 
somber hemlock
always use dash strike?
somber hemlock
which best aspec that suitable with dash attack play style
dry ember
Nemesis
somber hemlock
ill try later
dry ember
Combo is Special Dash Strike x how many dash you have.
I'm sure you can find vid on YouTube of people doing it also.
somber hemlock
yes found it
granite lava
I did not expect artemis' boon flowchart to be so complicated
fading garden
There's a flowchart? What do you mean?
granite lava
I'm making flowcharts for each god and I reached Artemis', and I feel she has the most complex one yet
main osprey
definitely xD
opal lodge
her legendary deserves its own flowchart
main osprey
make every arrow a support fire
fading garden
Oh. I'd love to see the flowcharts when you finish
main osprey
some of them are in #fan-works
fading garden
They are lost in the sea of fanart
fading garden
Ah, I see what you are doing
main osprey
it shows the first one lol
repost the link with < > on either side
or with other text in the message I think
it's discord trying to be helpful by getting the annoying eyesore of a link out of the way :P
either that or that wasn't the album link
granite lava
/a/ means it's an album
@fading garden well you can click on the link if you want to see them
like look at this https://imgur.com/ZDxV5Ds
main osprey
whooo boi
gusty rapids
wait what is that for
opal lodge
this is such a useful resource
granite lava
exit wounds
opal lodge
thanks ponywarrior
granite lava
thanks ponywarrior
you're welcome
fading garden
I didn't know Athena's DD boons had requirements.
opal lodge
@granite lava i'm about 99% sure divine dash unlocks the DDs
are you sure it does not?
or am i looking at the chart incorrectly
opal lodge
i see
granite lava
so I'm 100% sure
opal lodge
that's quite strange
the only reason why i bring it up is because divine dash > DDs was an extremely common boon route for most of my 40 heat clears
i need to check some vods i think lol
and reevaluate my life
granite lava
keep in mind it might have been true before, like during blood price or nighty night
main osprey
it's possible that it's been changed
opal lodge
i am 1.0 person
granite lava
then you had some other boon that qualified for it
gusty rapids
divine dash does unlock dds
turbid needle
turbid needle
I can attest from experience
As well as the game does
Divine Dash is enough to unlock the death defiance replenish boons
Athena aid, on the other end, won't
opal lodge
it's very strange that it would say it does not in the code
should we shut up lmao
(amir's gonna change it)
granite lava
you're right, I checked their requirements and they include dash, but dash doesn't display that it unlocks it
turbid needle
Oh, so that one doesn't show up as much
granite lava
thanks for pointing it out I'll correct it
turbid needle
Now THAT is wack
opal lodge
ah ok phew
turbid needle
But yeah, dash's enough
opal lodge
i thought it was some patch change or smth
and was scared we'd have to start taking phalanx shot for DDs lmao
turbid needle
Wait I do that already
opal lodge
me too but i dont have to like it
cloud vault
I like Phalanx Shot
cloud vault
Dash through the Shot when you cast
opal lodge
🧠
turbid needle
Thing is, casts take time before they appear
Divine Dash doesn't
Ergo, the better crutch is clearly the dash
mighty ermine
and leaves the room 10 minutes after zag
opal lodge
and yes i am keeping zag as a unit of measurement
main osprey
what about a Zig?