Work towards specific builds
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
December Challenges
A Very Zaggy Christmas
“Hmph, you want to spend this holiday with me and our entire blasted family from Olympus? Another one of your 'jolly' ideas. Fine. Fine, if you can manage to have everyone agree to come, then we can have your little holiday. IF you can manage.”
Conditions
Have boons from at least 9 different gods!
Hint: ||You'll need to use god keepsakes in Asphodel, Elysium, and the Temple of Styx.||
Extra Challenge:
Have boons from all the gods. That's 10!
Hint: ||You'll need boons from three different gods before the mid-shop in Tartarus!||
“Didn't you forget somebody?”
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Submit your runs here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing
tame bison
Rerolling Boons just seems so insane
cunning urchin
December Challenges
Zagreus Is Comin' to Town
“Ho ho ho, my kin. 'Tis the season, and I need your help delivering some presents of the death-inflicting kind. Everyone gets a present. But make haste, for we must be done before midnight.”
Pacts:
Jury Summons 3
Benefits Package 2
Underworld Customs
Tight Deadline 2
Conditions:
Weapon: Stygius
Aspect: Zagreus
Keepsake: Blood-Filled Vial (entire run)
Clear every Satyr Tunnel in the Temple of Styx!
Extra Challenge:
Extreme Measures 4!
“EVERYONE gets a present.”
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Submit your runs here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing
narrow spruce
First time I'm pinged for weekly challenge and its turning monthly T_T
stark ore
zag sword
Oh, there's the challenge
glass rapids
JS3 TD2 6 sack zag sword... ok
stark ore
it's okay at least you can use slicing shot
cunning urchin
You can do it! 
unkempt pagoda
the heralded return,,,
cloud vault
Oh, Zag Aspect scraps Poseidon idea
unkempt geyser
good luck to all 
cloud vault
Oh well. Get cursed flurry, go to town?
cunning urchin
See above. Good luck!
glass rapids
I'd shoot for merciful end, but underworld customs and only ares keepsake hurts
icy glade
**__December Challenges__**
**Zagreus Is Comin' to Town**
*“Ho ho ho, my kin. 'T...
yeyyyy!! this looks fun!
obtuse wind
ares run? sick
keen mesa
what's swrong with zagreus sword
15% attack speed is awesome with Zeus
and with cursed blade for healing
real kernel
My latest run used the Aspect of Zagreus on Stygius. I honestly prefer it over the Aspect of Nemesis, at least without the latter upgraded
sonic mural
heat heat the burst is too much to over come with steady healing
real kernel
Aspect of Poseidon is weird
icy glade
digign the zaggy xmas a lot!
sonic mural
but apparently aphro life affirmation can be great for the zag sword in heat heat
glass rapids
15% attack speed is awesome with Zeus
Dash striking is better and atk speed doesn't affect that
real kernel
Doesn't dislodging Bloodstones mean you can't get the benefits of the relevant talents?
cunning urchin
Right! But you can cast again for more damage.
And if you can get Exit Wounds, dislodging your Bloodstones will do a lot of damage.
icy glade
**__December Challenges__**
**A Very Zaggy Christmas**
*“Hmph, you want to spend...
im guessing you need the room reroller instead of choices for a bigger chance of getting more gods
sonic mural
Dash striking is better and atk speed doesn't affect that
yah but the whole idea behind zag sword is that you go cursed slash + aphro life affirmation + zeus attack and then outheal and dmg
keen mesa
room reroll is far superior
sonic mural
i have no idea how it would perform at higher heats tho
cunning urchin
im guessing you need the room reroller instead of choices for a bigger chance of...
I don't know. Good luck!
real kernel
Zeus attack seems better on the Adamant Rail
keen mesa
it always only costs 1 to reroll a room, whereas rerolling the boons costs more and more (for that boon)
and you start with more
real kernel
Or the Twin Fists, I guess. Fast attack, anyway
sonic mural
why would you want to reroll a room tho
keen mesa
so you can get a specific boon
cloud vault
It's a Zag sword challenge
real kernel
why would you want to reroll a room tho
Duo Boon hunting
cunning urchin
Persuasion is meta in speedruns and high heat.
real kernel
I wish I could reroll Charon's Shop
sonic mural
persuasion is literally meant for if you want a specific boon
whereas authority is if you want to semi-shape a run core
real kernel
I feel like they are both about trying to shape a run
sonic mural
which is kinda meh anyways given that you bring 2 god keepsakes for the first two region
keen mesa
I've just never liked Fated Persuassion, it doesn't benefit me as much as Fated Authority
real kernel
I have 1 dice on each right now. And the Chthonic Keys upgrade that gives you more
keen mesa
Plus Fated Authority lets you reroll Erebus rooms
which is MUCH better than Fated Persuassin
real kernel
Erebus doesn't show up below Heat 5, right?
keen mesa
I can change an Erebus room to a god boon over gold, for instance...
sonic mural
great fated authority helps with one room out of 50 in a run
olive spruce
but if they don't give you the boon that you want then what's the point
sonic mural
whereas persuasion helps you select a key component for your build
i would have not gotten sea storm or merciful end had not i taken persuasion in many runs
keen mesa
persuasion you start with half the number of keys and rerolling twice in a row costs more
keen mesa
persuasion only helps you if you already get the room you want AND the offers you get are trash
cunning urchin
Priority slots filled > miniboss chamber (or Yarn or Refreshing Nectar) > Persuasion rerolls practically guarantees Duo Boons or Legendary Boons from that boon.
Persuasion lets you reroll Wells of Charon and Pools of Purging.
sonic mural
also for underworld customs persuasion is a godsend
if you have to sell one of your core boons, you're screwed but not with persuasion
keen mesa
Yeah, that makes sense
sonic mural
you pick god keepsakes for the first two regions, so you already guarantee your core build - theres no need to reroll for a slim chance of a god that you want
near pelican
Can anyone link or recommend a good (fun > fast) aspect of Demeter build?
cunning urchin
Divine Strike, Divine Dash, Deadly Flourish, Deadly Reversal, Support Fire.
sonic mural
zeus attack, artemis special
ares attack, athena special, athena dash, ME
keen mesa
is there any dash that's even remotely as good as athena deflect dash lol
sonic mural
poseidon for ranged
near pelican
@keen mesa splash dash
The double knockback boon + the barrier explosion boon in Styx is so fun with that
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish, Lightning Strike, any Call, Smoldering Air
Heartbreak Flourish, Drunken Strike, Low Tolerance
Heartbreak Flourish, Curse of Agony, Curse of Longing
Heartbreak Flourish, Deadly Strike, Support Fire, Heart Rend
near pelican
Hmm I do love my Artemis boons...
sonic mural
artemis dash is good for select builds too ig
near pelican
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll try these out!
sonic mural
hidden bow, nemesis sword
sonic juniper
Key takeaway: Aphrodite goes well with pretty much nearly everything
keen mesa
Flurry Shot + Tempest Strike = no one getting near you, fantastic
icy glade
does chaos count for 9 gods challenge?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cloud vault
Does Bouldy count tho? :)
icy glade
just tried my first run. missed by one, drats!
cunning urchin
I believe in you!
gleaming bramble
Hey guys. the spear is my most hated weapon 😦 what's a good build with it ?
opal lodge
achilles + zeus cast/hunting blades and hades spear with artemis attack are both staples
as a disclaimer i also kind of hate nonachilles spears without flurry jab/serrated point/exploding launcher so take my suggestions with a grain of salt
near pelican
@gleaming bramble Achilles spear cast builds are SUPER fun. Other than that, I don't like the spear.
dry ember
Weeklies Monthlies are back?
rustic pasture
i need aa nice build sugestion , rngeesus taaakes a dump on me , guess building aint gonna help but im anty strategy guid so i could youse OUR exp with the game 😄
heat 32 btw
willow dawn
what's a good way to use the hidden spear, I just feel so weak with it
proven osprey
Who knows
tame bison
I often like to hide my spear
cunning urchin
@willow dawn Eternal Rose start and go for Heartbreak Strike or Flourish + Deadly in the other slot for Heart Rend.
Main DPS rotation is Special > Dash-Strike x2.
Best hammers are Charged Skewer, Serrated Point (difficult to use but very powerful), and Massive Spin or Quick Spin depending on preference.
honest wing
yea exactly
tame bison
Lol
honest wing
yo does aspect of chiron and zeus go special go well togethe
does the lightning hit everytime or just once
honest wing
aight
tame bison
Yeah Artemis special Chiron is pretty busted
honest wing
let's go unlocked aspect of guan yu
which of the fourth unrevealed aspects are the best
or like most interesting/different
cunning urchin
Hidden bow is probably the strongest overall.
Hidden sword is super strong up to at least 32 Heat, but it falls off eventually as you go higher. (Most people never go higher.)
honest wing
I'm struggling on 1 rn lol
I actually have only finished the game once with shield
das it
cunning urchin
Guan Yu is probably my favorite aspect at the moment.
honest wing
I'll get it as soon as I have enough titan blood
honest wing
which I legit just spent all of on chaos aspect lvl4 upgrade
proven osprey
The aspect sings to me
honest wing
how to farm titan blood fast pls help
cloud vault
Does chiron special sea storm hit on every arrow? Asking for a friend.
proven osprey
He should try Merciful End
cloud vault
Ah well. We all die in the end.
cunning urchin
How optimistic.
proven osprey
It's true
cloud vault
There is exactly 1 run of Hades that does not end in the main character dying.
proven osprey
But it's even worse. We all die alone
frail schooner
There is exactly 1 run of Hades that does not end in the main character dying.
you can actually kill yourself with hazard bomb there
cunning urchin
I thought we get sent to a farm and live happily ever after.
frail schooner
for some reason you can still take damage on that specific run
cloud vault
Does that break the game o.o
proven osprey
I thought we get sent to a farm and live happily ever after.
Yes we are, don't worry
frail schooner
also did hazard bomb get buffed? it seems to hurt zag more now
rare kindle
Yeah, he should've ||dipped a toe in the styx|| all along
cloud vault
Achilles taught him the art of war, but never the art of...swimming.
rare kindle
It scales based on damage of special
frail schooner
oh it’s not 1% of max hp? lmao
turbid needle
Guys, just a question. Is it best to keep grinding till I unlock everything, so that I may survive this game? Been thinking of lvling up the weapons, and once I'm done with them, I would move on choosing the right build for the longer run.
rare kindle
You can still win even if weapons aren't max level
gleaming current
I'd recommend on grinding first, so you train faster and would have advanced understanding of the game once moving to proper builds
that is, if you can semi-consistently complete the game
If you are still in a work towards 1st win, you should focus on that
turbid needle
Still in 1st win run. Defeated most of them. Met most of them. I reached only till Styx river, and Cerberus gatekeeping.
That made me want to grind even more as a goal to see what's the ending.
And saw most stuff being way expensive, so unlocking and maxing all of what I have is my goal till I try my luck there with the right builds for each weapon.
And the rewards there help a lot.
proven osprey
You could invest in a weapon, see if you like it. If not, you quit out and try another one. If you like it, farm some blood with it
The game saves while you enter Skelly's room so you can save some blood
Some aspects do not require to be maxed out tho
To still be efficient
cunning urchin
Not "Quit". You need to "Give Up" for that to work.
turbid needle
I see.
I was confused with the "Give Up".
If I choose it during Skelly, will it reset its progress, if I choose the give up option? And what if I do that during my run in the dungeons?
proven osprey
Sorry it was give up indeed
rare kindle
you start over but the seed is the same
turbid needle
I see. Ok
cloud vault
btw, what would be the fastest Chaos Shield build?
Probably Zeus
pine flax
what other casts should i try with hera?
ive only done dio stygian soul
but wanna switch it up
languid dagger
Probably Zeus
maybe charge shot with Poseidon > throw five shields with Thunder Flourish?
smth like that?
honest wing
man I tried so much
but chaos shield cheesy ares build is the only one I think I can win with
rocky kettle
I've got a question regarding the monthly challenge. I haven't made enough escapes to get to heat 13. Does it matter if I still play on heat 13 or will I lose all items from lower heats that way
(im sorry if its the wrong place to ask this)
finite adder
what is a good build for the Arthur aspect of Stigyus?
forest marsh
I've got a question regarding the monthly challenge. I haven't made enough escap...
This is the right place! You won't miss out on any bounties
Bounties are awarded based on the lowest heat completed
So if you've completed, say, 3 heat, and are running 13 heat, you could win that same run 10 times before you run out of bounties
rocky kettle
Ahhh nice, thanks for the quick response!
tame bison
@finite adder Aphro attack, Hermès atk speed if you can get it
finite adder
ah interesting
tame bison
I like Dio Cast with it too personally
finite adder
and just tank it out
tame bison
Bc you can Dio cast on top of your tanky aura
Aphro strike helps with tanking but it’s also just one of the highest %dmg strikes
Also dash strike is nice
Like Artemis dash
pine helm
Arthur likes all the defensive things it can get, so long range casts will be your friend, weak will be your friend, and ways to shore up your weakness will help a lot (Being hermes attack speed)
tame bison
Bc dash strike is faster than the normal Arthur attack
Aphrodite also can get you that Different League 10% dmg reduction boon which is fine too
rustic pasture
ok all questions have thair anser exept for mine XD
languid dagger
ok all questions have thair anser exept for mine XD
what was yours
rustic pasture
heat 32
languid dagger
what about it
rustic pasture
sugestion how to not die XD
languid dagger
oh, I did like 25 tries before I got it
rustic pasture
rngeesus hates me i guess
forest marsh
sugestion how to not die XD
We have a specific channel for high heat, might get better results there #h1-high-heat-strategies
rustic pasture
oh ok ill try there
gloomy zenith
what boons are good for chaos shield
main osprey
what boons are good for chaos shield
Poseidon, Aphrodite, Athena, all on attack and/or special. Pretty much anything will work though
gloomy zenith
cool
opal lodge
zeus/ares are phenomenal on special as well
main osprey
I tend not to go those because I usually shotgun, but otherwise yes
kindred trout
what other casts should i try with hera?
Definitely try Crush Shot if you haven't (aphro), it's sick.
pine flax
I tend not to go those because I usually shotgun, but otherwise yes
can you hit all the bonus shields if you're right next to the enemy?
main osprey
Yeah
kindred trout
infernal im assuming? <@!333759735088021505>
Definitely Infernal, you can one-shot a lot of enemies with 3-stacked Crush Shots. For support gods, look for Artemis, Athena, and either Zeus or Poseidon. Artemis gets you Exit Wounds which helps your DPS against bosses a lot. Her Legendary is amazing if you can get it, but it's hard to get. Athena opens up the Parting Shot duo (backstab with casts) and Divine Dash is best dash anyway. Zeus opens up Smoldering Air (duo that rapidly refills your god gage, making calls spammable), while Poseidon enables Mirage Shot (duo with artemis that gives extra cast hits)
pseudo stream
Is there a way with controller to dash one direction and attack the other? I think my spear and sword play are both dramatically worse without that
kindred trout
@pine flax Variant options for when you don't get the gods you want: if you're missing athena or artemis, you can take both zeus and poseidon instead. This lets you combine Smoldering Air with Poseidon's Aid and/or Tidal Dash with Sea Storm (unless that's been patched out, which I heard it might be?) If you get Athena and Artemis but can't find Zeus or Poseidon, Ares and then Demeter would be my backups.
final ginkgo
Arte cast can crit with Hera right?
proven osprey
Of course
final ginkgo
then how unlucky am I that I didn't get any during ||Hades||
final ginkgo
I could swear I didn't see any crits the entire run, but I'm not too sure about that.
proven osprey
That would be really strange
languid sandal
Whats good boons for guan yu?
proven osprey
@cunning urchin is a GY expert
cunning urchin
You can answer that yourself lol.
proven osprey
Whats good boons for guan yu?
Aphrodite and Artemis are your best options. I would start with Eternal rose to get Heartbreak strike or Heartbreak flourish. Weak is valuable since you don't have that much HP. Your dps rotation is special - double dash strike. Then, get Deadly strike or Deadly flourish depending your starting boon. There a lot of options for attack (Athena, Demeter, Ares, Aphrodite, Artemis) but these two will unlock Heart Rend for big damage crits.
The best hammer is charged skewer. It's a safe and strong dps. Spin hammers are also good, and so is Serrated point (a bit dangerous since your dash is smaller, get divine dash anyway).
Do not spin too much, you'll get hit. Do it between enemy spawn or vs slow enemies (i.e thugs)
stone harbor
<@!129041598230036481> Variant options for when you don't get the gods you want:...
Tidal dash does not count as prerequisite to sea storm anymore
meager gulch
I'm not exactly sure where to mention this (or if it's been mentioned already) but on the spreadsheet for the monthly challenges (under Dec 2020 - A Very Zaggy Christmas), the single form submission for that challenge isn't showing up because it currently has =sort(filter('Form submissions'!B3:K,'Form submissions'!I3:I="Zagreus Is Comin' to Town"),9,true,1,false,2,true); you should probably change the challenge name to A Very Zaggy Christmas.
dry ember
@cunning urchin @lucid ferry
proven osprey
Thanks for mentioning it
still vigil
was maim damage always 300?
lucid ferry
All set
languid sandal
Aphrodite and Artemis are your best options. I would start with Eternal rose to ...
Thanks after using it I can see how weak & crit would work. I am running lightning; ice; with trippy right now.
sullen valley
Say, using 4th Shield here, would it be worth using Sigil or Flower?
(Elysium)
Leaning towards Flower since 4th Shield is all about burst damage and less DPS
bunk it, Flower.
opal lodge
hourglass IMO
sullen valley
My power it must grow
Wait, I wonder if Pulverizing Blow (Attack twice but no Knockback) goes with, cancels, or nerfs Poseidon Attack Knockback
cunning urchin
Pulverizing Blow affects the knockback on your base Attack. It has no effect on the knockback of your boon.
Shield Attack has inherent knockback, which Pulverizing Blow removes. Tempest Strike knockback remains.
sullen valley
Ah, that's a good answer
Epic Snow Burst (4th Shield), Rare Nourished Soul (Low HP atm (Thanks Asterius)), or Rare Arctic Blast (Pulverizing + Demeter)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
rare kindle
I feel like the difficulty of EM2 lernie depends based on the main head
sullen valley
I also have Dio's Strong Drink boon if that's any influence
rare kindle
If it's the fireball spitting head, rip one DD
If it's the minion spawner, it's smooth sailing
cunning urchin
Snow Burst.
pine flax
can you get the ares + artemis duo and the ares + demeter duo?
rare kindle
No, they're mutually exclusive
sullen valley
Hm, Demeter Aid, Arctic Blast, or Nourished Soul? All common
rare kindle
Only cast duos that aren't mutually exclusive are ice wine/scintillating feast
sullen valley
Oh screw it I have like 22 HP I kinda need Nourishment
Rushed Delivery affects any damage you deal, right?
Like, any?
wispy ridge
omg I just got exploding launcher on the spear and it feels so OP
sullen valley
Dude I have a Level 6 Heroic Trippy Shot for 4th Shield
Oh yeah I also have Ice Wine
Also, like, early or late in the run, Jo?
midnight tree
Poseidon sword or achilles spear for demeter cast build?
proven osprey
I think Achilles is the way to go
sullen valley
Achilles for Demeter Cast?
midnight tree
yeah what's wrong with that
proven osprey
yeah
midnight tree
also stygian soul for the hermes legendary iirc, yes?
sullen valley
Literally anything can work, so I see no problems. Just curious about the choice reasonings.
midnight tree
since demeter doesn't stick in foes?
rare kindle
Achilles because it doesn't stick in enemies
midnight tree
well poseidon raises cast damage ^
proven osprey
it's just more damage too
midnight tree
that's the main reason ^
tame bison
What’s the Demeter cast build? For those crystal beam things?
midnight tree
yeah
rare kindle
Prolly aim for crystal clarity
proven osprey
but can work with glacial glare
rare kindle
Unless you have some reason to want cold embrace instead
sullen valley
Aaah. Good reasoning.
Honestly if you think about it, Demeter Cast deals more net-worth damage than no cast. Sure there may be better options, but you can definitely get more than the 50 damage boonless cast deals.
proven osprey
It's a lot of damage with infernal
cosmic torrent
what boons go well with the lucifer aspect of the rail? it feels good, but just underpreforms a bit in it's base form and i can't think of what additional effects would work to make it better
turbid needle
Question: how do you get the cool victory screens like people do? I see a lot of designs but I'm just stuck with the boring ones
forest marsh
If you keep playing, eventually you'll unlock Themes that you can buy
turbid needle
Ahhh, thanks. Does it come from ||the dude sitting in hades and persephone's room?||
delicate badger
well I was gonna say it’s on the wiki but it’s not! only one of them has a known prereq 
sullen valley
All of the themes should unlock all at once, should they?
forest marsh
From memory, you just have to have acquired and/or spent a certain amount of resources (different for each Theme)
I think at least one of them has different requirements than the others, but that might have been patched because it's been a hot minute since I unlocked them
spiral tree
any aspects affected by the update besides eris nerf?
lethal crane
Did they remove the shield-hammer that removes the knockback? and the double-strike?
I used to always go with these at early access but no luck getting em
icy glade
its still there. youre just having bad rng, sadly
lethal crane
Better have bad RNG than no chance! 😄
icy glade
yep! 🙂
turbid needle
I wanna do the challenges but I won't be back at my dorm until after Christmas 😔
tame bison
What other spear builds besides Doom special nonsense should I try? Just have basic aspects right now
dry ember
Explosive Skewer Charged Skewer Deadly Flourish
tame bison
Thanks! 🙂
opal lodge
note that you need to get charged before explosive
it wont offer charged if you already have explosive
proven osprey
Or you just unlock GY and have a free but better exploding launcher
The only downside being
Well
You'll see
opal lodge
with the side effect of 15 base health
proven osprey
^
pseudo stream
does Meg's companion go through shields?
woeful shale
Is it possible to get both Dionysius + Demeter and Dionysus + Zeus duo boons at once?
opal lodge
if you mean like greatshields/theseus, the answer is it's complicated
opal lodge
Is it possible to get both Dionysius + Demeter and Dionysus + Zeus duo boons at ...
yes
woeful shale
thanks!
pseudo stream
yeah, I mean through Greatshields
just died cuz I don't know to fight fight FO1 shields
I think they may have had the speed elite bonus too
pseudo stream
when there are 4 of them it's a little harder to find the right time haha
cunning urchin
I wanna do the challenges but I won't be back at my dorm until after Christmas �...
The challenges will remain open for submissions indefinitely, so just do them whenever you have time.
turbid needle
nice
cunning urchin
@pseudo stream I have some of the very best reactions among high heat players, and I can only react to FO2 Speeder Greatshields like half the time maybe? Definitely not consistent. But their behavior is somewhat consistent when you get into attack range, so study that and use it to your advantage to time your dashes. Like, rather than wait for them to come to you, you go to them trigger their attack and dash behind them at that moment.
opal lodge
i have poor reaction times and thats what i do
cunning urchin
When there are FO2 Speeder Greatshields, I either focus on only them to get them out of the way asap or keep a good amount of distance if possible or circle them to clear everything else first.
opal lodge
reacting becomes easier when you know what to expect
pseudo stream
That’s fair... I think part of the problem is I’d just picked up charged skewer and couldn’t throw spears behind them anymore haha
I mean they have two moves, easy to avoid all day, but as soon as you try to connect...
cunning urchin
Speeder Greatshields are anything but easy to avoid. They can just be a run ender very easily.
m way more afraid of a room full of them than EM3 or Hades.
Especially if they have Savior, too.
Then you're just done.
cunning urchin
lmao yeah.
It's like 300?? You only need 5 of these guys. They'll decimate the Persian army.
pseudo stream
Saviour is the aoe shield buff?
woeful shale
Can Aspect of Rama get Flurry shot?
opal lodge
no
turbid needle
speeder chariots turn hades into a horror game
opal lodge
speeder shifter elite chariots
woeful shale
Ooooh, the wiki lists incompatibilities. Thanks anyhow.
opal lodge
they generate hitboxes right after teleport
turbid needle
fo2
opal lodge
its utter nonsense
cunning urchin
Saviour is the aoe shield buff?
Yes. The blue hearts.
pseudo stream
Ahh. Yes, that one seems to be by far the worst elite upgrade? It causes so much trouble
cunning urchin
I think it's just particularly the combo of Speeder Savior that's bad.
Speeder is just difficult.
opal lodge
speeder with FO2 means enemies move and attack at 190% normal speed
cunning urchin
It's not so bad at FO0, but FO2 Speeder is still pretty brutal.
Attacks aren't true 190% because they fine-tuned some individual attacks to have a minimum startup based on what we had particular problems with in Early Access, but yeah.
Longspears now are actually easier than they used to be, for example.
balmy portal
FO2 is pretty brutal and needs to be worth more heat 😛
cunning urchin
6 is a whole lot.
balmy portal
and yet turning it on by itself I'll fail runs
when I have cleared 32 heat using other combinations
also, it's not FO1 that's an issue
and FO1 is 3 of that 6 heat 😉 It's the step from FO1 to FO2 that should be worth more
or to put it another way; I think +100% enemy damage and +40% shop prices is a lot easier than FO2, but they're the same heat value.
balmy portal
and for how certain things get harder when combined with other heats -- FO2 is the nastiest to combine with basically anything.
balmy portal
at ...
so at the extreme edge where you're just looking for options to even push it up that far
that's a pretty poor area to base decisions like heat values around
given how small a portion of players will ever reach it
out of curiousity though, at 40 heat what would you be taking FO2 over?
(and why aren't you taking FO2 until 40 heat, if it's worth its 3 heat?)
turbid needle
I have the reaction time of a plant
opal lodge
i also have the reaction time of a plant and run fo2
its more about getting used to enemy attack animations
balmy portal
Hades is really not about reaction times
except for fishing 😛
everything else is quite well telegraphed
turbid needle
you have to react to the telegraphs
still vigil
excuse me fer rando interruption, but does anyone's Maim sometimes go off fer 300 instead of 400?
balmy portal
I mean... yeah
you're right
there's a reaction time component, it's just not super tight
turbid needle
fo2 shortens those by quite a lot lol
balmy portal
a lot of enemies are really predictable about their attacks though, beyond the tells
and yes, that's why I think FO2 is undercosted
turbid needle
when I'm fighting dad I watch his animation to see what he's gonna do and react accordingly
still vigil
fo2 shortens those by quite a lot lol
me when i see asterius charging up fer a bull rush
still vigil
F10 the 300 maim damage gelata
where's the f10 button on the switch?
turbid needle
lol didn't realize u were on switch
currently no way to directly report bugs on it afaik
still vigil
qwq
turbid needle
every time I see the hidden fists aspect I think of that one dude from the Sakura con 2009 commercial
still vigil
what the-
turbid needle
I cant help it
still vigil
im callin the police
turbid needle
GIRUGAMESH
turbid needle
Favorite rail aspects?
woven delta
Zagreus
eager spear
hestia
woven delta
Followed by Lucifer
eager spear
oh hi clank
woven delta
For some reason Eris and Hestia both keep messing with me in ways that aren't especially fun to play with
turbid needle
Why do you like Lucifer?
woven delta
I kind of think the damage ramp-up is kinda cool, I guess?
I don't run it all the time on Rail, but it's fun for the odd run
eager spear
what about the infinite ammo lucifer?
woven delta
No
eager spear
makes sense
woven delta
Anyways, Eris' mechanic results in me half the time mistiming it so I end up spending half it's duration reloading and Hestia literally requires me to rebind my reload button to make it less of a nuisance to make use of
If that makes sense
Zag and Lucifer both seems like the only ones that don't end up messing with me in ways that aren't fun
frigid pewter
Artemis on the attack and aphro on the special on Gilgamesh with their duo is nice
I just got my second EM4 win with that build
cloud vault
Lucifer with Athena is lul
Your attack deflects from origin point but it deflects everything that can be deflected
turbid needle
I love hestia but I always end up missing the first shot
this is a me thing though
gusty rapids
I’m a big hestia fan now it’s super fun once I got used to reloading often
honest wing
which heats are good for a relative new player
I'm going to 2 heat now
is calisthenics(+15% health) and damage control(ignore 1 instance of damage) easy enough?
olive spruce
would not recommend calisthenics
it's not too bad for regular encounters but it sucks for boss fights
depending on the weapon aspect, tight deadline isn't too bad for a beginner
EM1 is good
honest wing
what is em1
olive spruce
extreme measures
honest wing
and would then jury summons bo good
olive spruce
the harder boss fights
sonic juniper
Tight Deadline is relatively free depending on how fast you naturally are
olive spruce
yeah, you get 36 minutes for Tight Deadline 1
sonic juniper
FO1 is good to start getting used to faster speeds
EMs are good, EM3 is not fun for melee, EM4 is not easy for anyone
olive spruce
benefits package and middle management aren't too bad either IMO
gusty rapids
underworld customs isn’t bad usually either
turbid needle
not something i would take at that level of heat
cloud vault
Middle management, benefits package and extreme measures are good to get used to asap
EM4 you should do once and then decide if you want to try it on future runs
cloud vault
TD2 is pretty doable
3 though I'd avoid until you're really fast
Not speed runner fast, just confident that you can do 20 minutes consistently
turbid needle
if im doing a darkness farm run I'll go MM TD2 for erebus gates in tartarus
the only thing MM makes annoying is the gorgon/cyclops fight in asphodel
cloud vault
That it does
I usually don't have an issue with it and every once in a while I eat a stupid petrify and he falls on my head
turbid needle
tough pebble
what's a good attack for the aspect of Rama bow?
hollow helm
Artemis, then Aphrodite
tough pebble
artemis on the attack?
hollow helm
also, applies as well with the other bows, but Artemis Dash is a consideration since you pretty much want to dash strike your Bow shots, especially with Rama, and it just makes your attack way more chunkier
hollow helm
it has a 70% Max life reduction that goes down to 50% on Lv.5 Aspect
sonic juniper
Don't use it at rank 1
tough pebble
what do you guys think would be the best hidden aspect?
i'm starting to get enough titan blood to unlock a lot of things and i really want a hidden aspect, i've been trying them out in a few runs, just getting to the first boss and giving up to reset, but i feel i haven't really reached the full potential for any of them yet
turbid needle
Arthur and Rama are great at lv 1
vale imp
Gilgamesh is fun with the Extra dashes
Personal favorite is Beowulf though
The gigantic Dragon Rush is so fun
fossil compass
only psychos play guan yu tbh
you use it with heightened security pact, so you can suicide quickly to progress story
can't even think what kind of psycho would voluntarily play guan yu over and over again
sonic juniper
It can be fun once you max it out, if you want to play special spear or pretend you have Zeus aspect spear
keen delta
What do you guys think is better on fists, Demeter or Talos?
Or more consistent at least?
hollow helm
Demeter is more consistent as Cutter gives you a really big nuke on demand
proven osprey
^
void fjord
@cunning urchin does hades count for the monthly challenge?
cause you can get his call through the keepsake
curious
void fjord
thanks
proven osprey
anytime!
smoky sinew
it's just practice you'll get used to it
keen delta
I've been using aspect of hades, but I just hate using the charged special
forest marsh
Achilles aspect is an excellent vehicle for making your casts annihilate anything and everything
turbid needle
charged special?
keen delta
Was thinking about maybe using achielles
turbid needle
i like speen hammer
keen delta
maybe ill try achilles
smoky sinew
yeah I think achilles would be a great choice. Although Hades is also rly good especially if you get spin atk hammer upgrades
icy glade
yey~ a very zaggy xmas complete! sadly, my recording didnt have audio. ohwell still submitted
cunning urchin
Hurray! Congratulations! 🎄
Lord Ares was too busy delivering . . . presents.
Of the death-inflicting kind.
sonic mural
how to view the monthly challenge?
cunning urchin
Check pins!
You can get the role in #bot-commands if you type ?rank Hades Monthly Challenge.
sonic mural
thanks
cunning urchin
That way you'll get a ping when we post new challenges.
smoky sinew
@cunning urchin recording my run is not necessary right?
cunning urchin
<@!311477984886521856> recording my run is not necessary right?
Right! A screenshot of your victory screen is enough, but you can include a video if you like. If you have a video, a screenshot won't be necessary.
opal lodge
my audio turned demonic during my zag is coming to town recording
so i just submitted victory screen
near pelican
isnt all audio demonic in hades in a sense...
cunning urchin
my audio turned demonic during my zag is coming to town recording
I went for "christmas horror movie" for the poster design, so that's very on point. 
tame bison
Oh Tartarus Art/Ares duo Boon
We have a plan folks
Lol now have 4 cast charges, art/Ares duo boon, and double cast from Art/Poseidon duo boon. So I make 8 bladewhirls. Is great
near pelican
I've had that exact build, it melted Hades.
cunning urchin
That sounds fun. Try and get his legendary!
near pelican
Now you just need Ares legendary.
mental wing
Why can't we post images in here?
turbid needle
upload to imgur and link
mental wing
Oh
turbid needle
prolly to prevent spam or smth
mental wing
I'm doing speed?
https://imgur.com/a/Os5dOxR
tame bison
@near pelican no Ares legend but I got the Hermès legend where casts return automatically from Styx shop lol
TB and legend boon not bad
near pelican
Bon travail comme même
I love that Hermès legendary on Ares or Demeter cast builds.
near pelican
I know the feeling all too well my friend!
tame bison
What is comme meme? I know bon travail 🙂
proven osprey
It does not exist
near pelican
What is comme meme? I know bon travail 🙂
Sorry, I thought you were French because you spelled Hermes with an accent that's common in French. I actually should have written "quand même," which has a bunch of meaning but in this context it would mean "still" or "anyway," like in the sense of "regardless."
pseudo stream
for the challenges, there's no like... contest or goals, right? you just do it, upload a screenshot (of what part), and feel happy that you got to do something fun?
opal lodge
yup
pseudo stream
rad. might do one instead of ramming my face into 32 heat more
why are the left three weapons so might harder than the right three?
(cuz they're slow and melee, btw)
opal lodge
lol its good to decompress
cunning urchin
Screenshot of the victory screen, yeah. You can also upload a video instead if you like. But I can't guarantee that people will watch it, though I'll probably try to watch a few. Want to see how people handled the challenges.
strong gorge
hey i'm new, only two victories so far, so forgive newb question. Can someone explain to me why people recommend cast builds with achilles spear? from reading the aspect (I only have 1st level of it unlocked) it just increases damage after the rush move - so I don't get the cast recommendation, unless it's just that it gets bonus damage after the rush, but then you'd need to rush->cast->rush->cast
opal lodge
damage is increased for the next 4 actions
cunning urchin
For the next 4 attacks or casts.
opal lodge
you can rush -> cast x3 with infernal
strong gorge
hmm.. i was just testing it against a pillar and the yellow sparkly's around zag disappear after teh first hit on the pillar so I was assuming it only effected one action
i am also assuming those yellow sparklies are the rush bonus dmg effect
strong gorge
you can rush -> cast x3 with infernal
what do you mean by "infernal" here?
solid cairn
Infernal soul
opal lodge
if you use special while you have the buff it does not refresh the buff
oak ice
here is a good build GET EXCLUSIVE PASS
opal lodge
so that might be what happened
solid cairn
Exclusive access is in a rare crop sort of situation
cunning urchin
Except you can sell Exclusive Access for 400+ obols.
solid cairn
True
cunning urchin
410 or something?
solid cairn
But poseidon and Dio don’t really pair well
I suppose that is the case with a lot of duos
opal lodge
only in stygian beo
solid cairn
^
opal lodge
do i actually want to see those two gods together early
oak ice
but the duo tho
with it you could get a duo almost every time
and if you get zues and poseidon you can have a disgusting build like i just to and hades victory boasting
cunning urchin
But poseidon and Dio don’t really pair well
Tidal Dash + Dionysus' Aid is really good.
That's a lot of damage.
opal lodge
exclusive access doesnt increase your chance for duos
oak ice
then how did i get a duo every single god since i got that one
cunning urchin
It might increase the chance for the Duo you want by taking one Duo out of the pool.
opal lodge
luck? idk it's confirmed in the code banana
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's just luck.
opal lodge
the game rolls leg/duo first, then goes down
exclusive access just stops rolls at epic
gleaming bramble
i just can't seem to get athena's legendary, after more than 100 escapes
is there something required i'm not aware of, besides Brilliant Riposte ?
proven osprey
luck
rare kindle
Yep, luck
opal lodge
if you haven't been doing it, filling out your core boons gives you an additional chance to find legendaries/duos
gleaming bramble
alright, i'll keep grinding, thanks
tame bison
For Beowulf, should I take Pulverizing blow or Unyielding Defense first? Only boon is Divine strike
Blow seems good but so does Defense on this slower thing
First time using it
coarse moss
personally on beowulf only take anything that upgrades bullrush / special
sonic mural
why special?
sonic mural
yah but isnt beowulf special super slow
coarse moss
it is, but with good luck with chaos it can hit a thousand
opal lodge
charged flight decreases startup
although if youre trying to go fast special is rarely used
its better to invest in cast stonks at lower heat because they nerfed charged flight
opal lodge
well beowulf still has a special
and that special is still quite strong
im not a fan of it but you can use it pretry effectively (see retrash's 51 heat clear)
coarse moss
beowulf special, link with timestamp https://youtu.be/VlkG3LfrUaI?t=1440
coarse moss
oh, guess it's weaker now
spiral tree
Question
So done video from I think Haelian he said the flourish boon from chaos isn’t as good for aspect of chaos as you think
Like it doesn’t make the shields do extra damage or something
Is that true ?
opal lodge
it can still be good but it's definitely not the most efficient way to run beowulf anymore at least on 0 heat
spiral tree
I meant on aspect of chaos
opal lodge
i think what he means
i was responding to yakuza
um
so for chaos it's that
it'll only affect base damage of the shields
spiral tree
But that’s still good right
opal lodge
not any effects on them, like ares' doom/zeus lightning strike
it would really only make a large difference if you were running arty special
raven aspen
Hi guys, what is the best build for Hera bow? I tried it several times, and found it as the weakest 1)bow aspect 2) caster weapon no bonuses to cast, and 5 seconds to drop stones is an eternity
rare kindle
I've heard aphrodite cast is actually pretty good there
Because the bow being a ranged weapon makes up for the usual short range of the cast
sonic juniper
I liked Phalanx on Hera, with parting shot backstabs
rare kindle
Artemis cast is also good because it tracks
opal lodge
I have chance to take an epic flourish boon from chaos
well it's not bad either
sonic juniper
Phalanx backstabs from the front with Hera which is hilarious
opal lodge
if theres nothing else good i would take it
attack% would probably be better if you have a % boon on attack
coarse moss
for hera it might be fun to take the mirror effect that does bonus damage on undamaged foe
opal lodge
fiery doesnt apply to casts fwiw
coarse moss
oh darn
raven aspen
@rare kindle i did Artemis cast right now, and it is quiet sad, if stones got stuck in an enemy, especially annoing in boss fights
raven aspen
As I understood, artemis is very mediocre cast, needs aoe support. like Posiedon dash, and could be used only with exit wounds and Poseidon sword on bosses
turbid needle
its basically just better, homing, piercing zag cast
100 dmg zag cast is a godsend on boonless runs lol
opal lodge
arty cast is good in some deadly reversal hunters mark setups
dont trust that 10% base crit chance enough otherwise
ripe glade
any tips on what weapon / build is best to beat chiron.. I need the 2nd defeat for the fates... I'm currently in a seed.. that I can give up.. I get the option to fight him near the end of Tart.. but I can give up and restart... I get a hammer and chaos gate in first room.. any ideas on what weapon, build I can get to beat him?.. I get him at the end of tart... so I have a full encounter to make a build..
lone ledge
arthur can do well against him since aura can make it easier to dodge his projectiles
as they cannot be reflected iirc
rare kindle
You can try to fight him only in elysium, when your build is mostly complete
and pass on fighting him if you don't think your build can do it
gusty rapids
Charon is a really rough boss so yeah if ur struggling then maybe wait till elysium or something
good news is that his move set is somewhat limited so you can kinda learn the fight if you do it enough times, it’s still definitely not easy tho lol
lone ledge
you could also use a weapon with an innate damage boost like achilles or hades spear, or eris rail
tame bison
Achilles cast build...what cast do ppl use? Demeter?
lone ledge
zeus is the best on achilles imo
but demeter works well too but requires a very specialised build
gusty rapids
I like to try and get hunting blades but that’s a bit of a reach sometimes
lone ledge
you need the artemis duo and ideally glacial glare too, along with fully loaded or chaos boons to give you extra casts to really make the most of it
gusty rapids
zeus is very consistent, u don’t really need any duos or legendaries for it to do well
lone ledge
also the mirror upgrade that regens casts is better for demeter, and allows you to get bad news from hermes
yeah with zeus cast you’re good to go from the outset
opal lodge
zeus isnt going to help you vs bosses though
if youre planning to use achilles vs charon
lone ledge
yeah that’s true, however it’s great for clearing rooms and is the best speed running option for achilles
coarse moss
have not tried myself but, seem like you could use aspect of zeus, blitzh him and just block?
lone ledge
that could work too 😛
ripe glade
thanks guys.. give me some ideas...
I beat him before on tart.. so I know he can be done..
gusty rapids
yeah its possible, just pretty hard lmao
ripe glade
I actually beat him twice in tart... but didn't manage to do it twice in a row.... 😦
gusty rapids
chiron is so good
heady peak
Any way to improve this build, or did I just get lucky with all the pieces?
gusty rapids
i see u got the relentless + concentrated combo
the only thing i can think of is like
heart rend?
but you already got p much everything
heady peak
Heart rend is there, too
heady peak
I recorded it lol
gusty rapids
artemis special, relentless + concentrated
raven aspen
Does Hermes apply Family favorite effect?
heady peak
No
I tried with the prestigious status but it's difficult to set up properly when things die so quick
gusty rapids
oh i thought he did
also i cant see but did u get special speed?
thats usually useful w/ chiron since the special animation can take a while otherwise
heady peak
20% special speed (rare)
In retrospect I think just ignoring the cast and spamming special would yield more damage, but usually it's not so
there's 12 arrows and the last one ramps up to 500+ damage from what I can see
raven aspen
Won in Daedalus lottery, lost correct hammer and got correct special hammer+fast attack 😄
heady peak
lol this looks awesome!
sullen valley
Wait, how does Charged Shot work with 4th Shield? Does it just shoot your casts instead of around you?
turbid needle
Yup.
sullen valley
Hm, neat.
Huh! You can deflect melee attacks!
Not nullify, actually deal damage to your foes via that. A dull yellow 80 appeared on a Thug after he attacked!
Roiling Affluence (More Foes, More Obol) or Excruciating Favor (More Damage, More Rarity)
Already have an Affluence boon, but Favor is Epic while Affluence is common
(2 Ranks of Hard Labor)
frail schooner
epic chaos favor is really good
it’s like having keepsake on for every boon you get
sullen valley
True!
Hmph...I'm also considering the gamble of how I've got increased enemy damage.
frail schooner
what weapon and what chamber number
sullen valley
Just into Asphodel, 4th Shield
frail schooner
probably worth the gamble, i usually don’t find asphodel normal rooms that hard compared to tartarus and elysium
sullen valley
Hm, Asphodel is definitely easier early on anywho
Ebic boon chosen
The saddest thing about an Erebus room is charging instantly into an armored Redacted Brightsword and that's literally the only threat.
turbid needle
yooo Starbound in 2020
lone ledge
I assume that's Eris?
sullen granite
I was using Hestia aspect actually since I like that one the most
its just the pure damage from having 5 rockets lol
lone ledge
that hammer combination is so much fun indeed
you can get some absolutely ridiculous damage if you have artemis special
surreal geyser
i used a spear variation once where i threw the spear with zeus boon and i didnt call it back how can i get it again?
granite lava
does anyone know an active contributor of the hades wiki?
dawn sequoia
anyone if you need poseidons legendary fishing boon to get legendary fish
cunning urchin
You don't. You just need to react fast to get a Perfect Catch.
That gives you a chance to get one.
If the first three bobs were fake, the fourth bob is definitely a fish. Makes it a lot easier to react.
dawn sequoia
b r u h
elder igloo
Oh yes, yes I do
odd quarry
I like using that in particular. Whichever god I get given at the start of a run, I make heavy use of that and try to make a build focusing on a duo they have or smth similar
elder igloo
Ohhh that makes sense
I didn't even realize I could see during the runs lol
Thanks!
elder igloo
So the offerings required, I need to get those two boons, then meet one of the two gods again, and I should get the Duo?
odd quarry
You have a chance at getting the duo, yes
elder igloo
Ahh okay
odd quarry
for example, for sea storm, I could have Zeus' attack/special/dash/aid and Poseidon's attack/special/aid, and then I have a chance at getting it
elder igloo
Makes sense 🙂
odd quarry
there's a mirror upgrade that lets you get a better chance at getting duo/legendary boons, and if you pick up any '+boon rarity' effects like Chaos' 'Favor' boon, they technically help indirectly as well, from my understanding
elder igloo
Is there a priority list of what to spend darkness on first or somewhere stickied on a channel? Or maybe which boons/duo boons work best for which weapons?
odd quarry
in #h1-for-new-players there's a pinned message with build guides, check that out
elder igloo
Awesome 🙂
odd quarry
yeee enjoy. You'll get suggestions from players way better than me in there
elder igloo
You've already done a lot, thanks for the info @odd quarry !
pseudo stream
how well does serrated point go with poseidon attack?
like is it a massively terrible idea?
bronze marten
If the first three bobs were fake, the fourth bob is definitely a fish. Makes it...
THANK YOU
opal lodge
like is it a massively terrible idea?
yes
poseidon attack as a general rule is a massively terrible idea
pseudo stream
poseidon attack as a general rule is a massively terrible idea
this has been my general approach thus far, but was curious
still vigil
in my biased exp, poseidon atk has been very ass
opal lodge
yeah tempest strike is just quite bad and i'm not really sure why it was made so bad
it's not biased
still vigil
especially on melee
opal lodge
it's like objectively bad
stone harbor
poseidon attack as a general rule is a massively terrible idea
That's true for melee weapons, it works fine with rail.
languid dagger
What kind of rail tho
opal lodge
common tempest strike starts at +30%
languid dagger
You want Zeus or Artemis for Hestia
opal lodge
it takes 14 poms for it to reach +100%
stone harbor
I only used it with Lucifer, get that and sea storm and you have a fun build
languid dagger
ye, common Artemis is 20% damage but 15% crit
languid dagger
I only used it with Lucifer, get that and sea storm and you have a fun build
fun =/= strong
dry shuttle
can anyone recommend a more unique chiron bow build?
still vigil
That's true for melee weapons, it works fine with rail.
i think it's still fundamentally bad on rail cause rail negates the theoretical point of even taking it which is to knockback stuff
dry shuttle
something that doesn't use zeus on special?
opal lodge
and as someone who completed 40 heat soaker, tempest strike lucifer is not good
it's a meme
half light
@elder igloo here are messages by Piorda Nautor that might help you with the mirror?
opal lodge
we do it as a complete and utter joke
half light
@elder igloo and the second one
languid dagger
Poseidon seems like a weekest god to me honestly
opal lodge
it's weird because his special and dash are actually very very strong
it's literally just his attack that absolutely sucks
i wish it were good i really do
it's just not
stone harbor
I mostly use it for various cast builds and for farming stuff
languid dagger
very few things you want from him honestly - dash, hydralic, cast
half light
poseidon is good for meme builds at least
frail schooner
rip current is like the best call dps that exists
languid dagger
Razor Shoals do anything?
opal lodge
yes razor shoals is fantastic
still vigil
proc privileged
opal lodge
not better than breaking wave but still very good
half light
poseidons call is weird
languid dagger
I never felt them on bosses
half light
i feel like you really gotta get used to it but it's hard
still vigil
poseidon's call is amazing with certain boons
languid dagger
his call is also awkward as you can't properly damage Hades with it and you lose your attacks or casts you could during call period
frail schooner
rip current also like never shows up for some reason
opal lodge
imo his call is the best above like 30 heat
you cant beat the pure value
it's so safe and does a boatload of damage
and with 1 boon will just clear a wave with a lesser call
languid dagger
possibly, ye, I am getting my ass kicked in 30 anyway, so judging boons from the point of view of damage and speed
elder igloo
@half light @sullen valley Thanks for the info!!
half light
@elder igloo oh damn i forgot the third my bad!
elder igloo
No worries 🙂
half light
sure thing, hope it helps you go further!
opal lodge
dark foresight >>>>>>>>> olympians favor imo if you're just going for clears and not trying to farm or stuff
and it's not close
half light
it really opened my eyes even 30 wins in 😅
tbf dark foresight is only really a massive bonus after you did all the main things
still vigil
i wish i wish with all my heart that gilgamesh's Maim wasnt meh from the start
half light
i really hated it in my beginnings of saves
still vigil
oh yea dark foresight is the ish
half light
i wanna play with gilgamesh but talos is just so beautiful to use
still vigil
im never sure how to use talos qwq
strong gorge
can someone answer something for me? if you have a boon in a slot, like attack for example, does that reduce the chances of getting an attack boon option from other god boons going forward? like, is putting a less than ideal boon in a slot reducing the chances of being able to replace it with something better?
dry ember
Yup. The exchange rate for core boons is quite low
opal lodge
the chances of a replacement are a flat 10%
i believe
hoping for a replacement is a super high roll
just wait for the god you want
strong gorge
so in between zones if i want to replace a boon I should try to sell it (especially if i'm taking the god keepsake for the boon i want to replace it with) ?
dry ember
You would have a better chance that way yes
strong gorge
ty
dry ember
You can also fill the other spots with junk boons
opal lodge
yeah if you get forced a god you dont want
dry ember
To boost the chance of getting your desired position
opal lodge
just take another core slot
and also
if you dont want a certain duo
just dont take a core boon
strong gorge
i basically just put something less than ideal in a slot just as a temporary placeholder, realizing that's not a good strategy
opal lodge
take a useless T2
for example if i'm running dionysus cast and want scint feast but dont want like
ice wine
i would take rare crop/snow burst instead of a demeter core boon
dry ember
i basically just put something less than ideal in a slot just as a temporary pla...
Yeah, placehold the slots you don't care about, instead of the one you do.
strong gorge
i'm still new, only 3 clears, so I don't have the duo's memorized yet 😉
strong gorge
cool thanks
half light
talos is beauty
frigid pewter
Can you get the Demeter/Dio duo AND the Zeus/Dio duo?
tame bison
Yes
ivory hedge
Doom on attack is waaaay too op especially on the shield
my strategy is hit and run
and let the doom damage kill the the boss
woven delta
Can you get the Demeter/Dio duo AND the Zeus/Dio duo?
Bit late, but you indeed can
I actually ran into that combo the other night
frigid pewter
I’m trying to get that combo with the dio legendary
woven delta
I thought it was kind of underwhelming, but then again I didn't run into much of the +cast damage bonuses and such
then again again I was also using it on Hera bow
modern ridge
does anyone have any general tips for putting together a good build?
right now my strategy is to get boons that
a) i like
b) will add more status effects so priveleged status will be in effect a lot
but i feel like this ends up limiting my variety and build if i’m not getting the boons i’m hoping for
cunning urchin
Take Family Favorite unless you're going for a specific build like Low Tolerance that will definitely give you two status curses on t1 boons.
Know all the boon paths, especially legendary and duo boon requirements.
tame bison
If I have sword with Aphrodite strike and hunter dash and Double Edge (two dash hits) am I better off taking rare Support Fire or rare 3% crit
Also nemesis aspect
Not sure which actually does more dmg
With sword you don’t spam hits super fast and all
turbid needle
I can't remember if you get two arrows from Double Edge.
I'm leaning towards no but I could be mistaken.
vernal dune
i'd go for the crit, the arrows are mainly best for rapid-fire damage like Blade Rifts
they do little damage individually so you want them on builds/weapons that specialize in many small damage ticks
do Special buffs affect ||the Maim burst from the Gilgamesh Fists||?
Chaos be offering boons for Special and Attack and i'd rather take the latter if the former doesn't affect ||Maim||
rare kindle
Curse of drowning is such a weird cast
I mean, I think it does a lot of damage but you have to position yourself close
still vigil
do Special buffs affect ||the Maim burst from the Gilgamesh Fists||?
no, but global damage buffs do
feral depot
Does anyone else have issues trying to get Poseidon’s Rip Current?
still vigil
tragic tbh
feral depot
Trying to make a call build and I’ve never gotten his 2nd tier call
modern ridge
Take Family Favorite unless you're going for a specific build like Low Tolerance...
Should I be planning for a specific build from the get go?
cunning urchin
I'd plan for one Duo and take it from there, usually.
feral depot
No problem!
still vigil
also in response to ya, you can have the call and never get the t2 boon @feral depot
frigid pewter
What’s a good non Zeus attack build on the final rail aspect
still vigil
you just open up the chance to get them
sonic juniper
What’s a good non Zeus attack build on the final rail aspect
Maybe Dio attack
still vigil
What’s a good non Zeus attack build on the final rail aspect
Ive tried Demeter accidentally and it worked
left oak
They both stack, so they're probably your best bets. You'll get more damage if you're gunning for Dire Misfortune with Ares, but that's not guaranteed
still vigil
I got eternal chamber fer memes and put dem atk on it. Afterward I got Killing Freeze, Arctic Blast, and winter harvest. @frigid pewter
it was a lot of aoes and stuff
the atk spd from hermes helped too
sonic juniper
Problem with Ares and Dem is you're waiting for a T2 boon to make it scale with your attack speed. But, Dem % bonus is pretty good anyway.
still vigil
Dio atk is okay imo but my hangup about Dio is how Hangover tends to lose its efficacy when facing bosses w/o duos or when its paired with atks or special thatd just better benefit from % boons
turbid needle
I like dio attack on fists
my setup was dio attack ares special passion dash and I had all the duo boons between those 3
still vigil
dio works well on fists. gilga is ehhh unless ya get some of dio's t2 boons and duos to supplement what other gods can do better
turbid needle
I used gilg once. never again
still vigil
cause fists numbers dun seem to pack a punch so much that having a % boon is just objectively better
ya can do yer thing w/o losin out
rocky iris
Anyone know a stronger/easier sword build than poseidon aspect artemis cast + mirage shot + exit wounds?
vernal dune
you gotta learn to make use of the Special with the hidden sword
rocky iris
I actually really like arthur + blade rift builds
vernal dune
i took a different cast build in my last run lol
Glacial Glare + Crystal Clarity is just mmm
rocky iris
Crystal builds can get pretty nutty especially with stygian soul
plucky harbor
So uh
how does broken resolve work?
is it straight up +12%?
or +12% of the damage increase?
cloud vault
Arthur has a fun Tidal build
Poseidon on special and dash, go for sea storm with Zeus call, aphro attack
Special with dash relocation will outright kill most things
cunning urchin
Broken Resolve is additive.
plucky harbor
ah ok