since you cant get explosvie shot in guan yu its your best choice
#h1-builds-and-combat
smoky sinew
turbid needle
true
foggy pilot
I got chaos
Upgraded it to lvl 2
Feels strong but I'm still getting used to the playstyle
bronze marten
How does Eris rail overlap with rocket bomb? Do I still get the power up from Eris if I shoot a dude with the rocket point blank
balmy portal
yes
steep oasis
just got the arthur aspect, what's the recommend playstyle/boons
balmy portal
I very much enjoy artemis and gigantic third swing crits
but it's got a long reach on its dash attack
bronze marten
just got the arthur aspect, what's the recommend playstyle/boons
I like Artemis or Aphrodite just for hard hits
balmy portal
just test it on skelly some and see how far the regular attacks hit
they're longer than they look
bronze marten
Had a lot of success with Demeter dash, aphro epic attack, privileged status
steep oasis
ah i see
balmy portal
you can clear huge areas of enemies with that third swing
due to its damage and range 😄
very satisfying
steep oasis
i was thinking something like using dionysus's good vibes or whatever it's called (Extra defense while below health) and out my league from aphrodite
basically make myself practically invincible in the aura
balmy portal
you'd want to aim for that duo that makes you uninterruptible
balmy portal
that said, even 50% damage will add up if you're just soaking too many hits
athena and something
I don't recall ><
steep oasis
now if only i got more nectar just so i can get myself the other companion keychains or whatever it's called
i can't remember half the terms
😔
balmy portal
summons
or you mean the trinket things
keepsakes
hmm how did I get nectar...
I just targeted rooms with it, and dionysis
dio has a boon that gives you a nectar
smoky sinew
@foggy pilot if you like this weapon try maxing it as fast as you can and this seems strange but dont take special hammers take rush hammers
steep oasis
yeah
balmy portal
arthur seemed like one of the weapons I cared about maxing least
like; it was about the same at base
steep oasis
Honestly my only real complaint with the game is that it feels like nectar is really rare sometimes
balmy portal
gems -> keys -> nectar, at the wretched broker 🙂
balmy portal
well, keys -> nectar still 😛
if you're concerned about long term purchases, you'll finish everything else long before you finish darkness
steep oasis
oh ik that firsthand
balmy portal
haha
steep oasis
currently all i have left is to build up my alter things
balmy portal
anyway I'd say force dio and try to reroll once per time for the nectar boon, if you're targeting it
I think nectar stops spawning after tartarus too
foggy pilot
<@!212533943822581760> if you like this weapon try maxing it as fast as you can ...
ooh i've been taking special hammers
smoky sinew
dont
balmy portal
special hammers aren't bad
smoky sinew
they aren't but simply bull rush hammers are better
foggy pilot
I've been hitting for 400+ point blank
balmy portal
oh, you're talking shield
steep oasis
So how do yall choose gods in trials, based on how much of a threat if not chosen?
balmy portal
...man ignore all my previous comments I thought we were talking about arthur still
yeah
rare kindle
I’m trying to max out both mirror sides first before cosmetics
balmy portal
that's how I choose the god Andypeanut
rare kindle
Same
smoky sinew
Sudden Rush and Charged Shot make your life so much easier
balmy portal
I never block with shield. Am I a bad person?
...I also always just run zeus shield.
<.<
smoky sinew
im talking about chaos aspect specific right now
balmy portal
just got the arthur aspect, what's the recommend playstyle/boons
also note that arthur's protection aura slows enemy projectiles
so it's really good for just sidestepping things
steep oasis
you mean easier deflects :^)
steep oasis
so how good is the sigil of the dead
just got it from the old man so i wanna use it well
turbid needle
fishing in elysium babey
steep oasis
speaking of fishing, is there a list that shows what fish gives what?
turbid needle
fish in tartarus give gems, fish in asphodel give keys, fish in elysium give nectar, fish in styx give more gems, fish on the surface give bounty rewards
steep oasis
ah i see
balmy portal
Back to a prior topic, my personal trial ranking for who I pick first is:
Aphrodite > Poseidon > Demeter > Dionysus > Artemis/Zeus/Ares > Athena
steep oasis
hmm, i'll keep that in mind
balmy portal
For goddess of wisdom, Athena sure is bad at realizing I think she's a pushover
steep oasis
mind i ask why poseidon?
balmy portal
I find dodging his projectile constantly swinging around to be annoying
versus just staying out of a circle
steep oasis
oh your referencing the trials
balmy portal
Aphrodite's projectile is easier to avoid but has a nasty habit of spawning right on top of me
ya
steep oasis
i thought we were talking arthur ugh
balmy portal
oh
steep oasis
no worry
balmy portal
no that's artemis 😛
big critz
arthur is really gonna be based on how you want to play it
if you want to stack defenses, focus on those gods; otherwise it's a standard crit setup imo
since it gives 50 health and a defensive aura, I usually just go all-in on offense
turbid needle
free high confidence
tame bison
Oh so your trial list is worst to best? So Athena is most preferred fight and Aphrodite least?
I would mostly agree then
rare kindle
Athena is defensive in nature
valid storm
I find Aphrodite pretty easy
rare kindle
She never directly hurts you in her trial, I'm pretty sure
valid storm
She just puts shields over enemies
turbid needle
I hate going against poseidon
smoky sinew
Aphro is the most annoying for me because sometimes het atks pop out of nowhere
turbid needle
Aphrodite is super annoying too
smoky sinew
Posseidon is the easiest for me
tame bison
I actually think Demeter much worse than Aphro. The big whirlwind doesn’t move, but if you’re in it at all you lose so much health quickly
smoky sinew
I can follow his atk
proven osprey
Never betray Aphrodite, fools
valid storm
Idk which one is objectively the worst but Poseidon really screws me up, especially in Elysium where his wave blends into the floor
smoky sinew
Posseidon helps you also with sound the wave gets louder when it gets closer
turbid needle
Demeter is pretty annoying. When a soul gets stuck in the whirlwind
smoky sinew
just wait for it to leave
rare kindle
Poseidon tracks but I think it's easier to avoid
But Demeter, you get caught in a vortex and you're down like 60 hp
turbid needle
I dont think I've actually been against dio. I always pick him, and he almost never shows up in the trials
proven osprey
he chillin
valid storm
Dio is the only trial I've died to lmao, at the very start of the game
rare kindle
he does randomly placed purple circles on the ground that damage you when you step on them
smoky sinew
not so random they kinda follow you
rare kindle
I think I'd classify Dio as medium, because it's a little tricky at times to notice when you've stepped on the circles
smoky sinew
yup I agree seems like in the future I will forget Aphro since im never fighting against that thing again
opal lodge
yup fighting aphro is always a mistke
rare kindle
I chose to fight aphro only once just to see what her trial was like, her stun arrow hurts and it tracks
smoky sinew
proof love hurts the most
rare kindle
And it has such a tight turn radius
final sundial
imagine having a trial between Aphro and Demeter 
valid storm
I had two in my last run
turbid needle
Athena and aphro both suck to fight in elysium
last thing I want to do is fight invincible shield guys
smoky sinew
||Demeter|| is honestly not so bad and for sure not as bad as Aphro
when Athena shields the little souls i get so mad
they revive faster than me when i need to go to the toilet
final sundial
I found out just now that i'm not completely forced to fill all of the heat gauge
can i get a bruh for me
smoky sinew
although im losing five braincells everytime to understand what he's saying he's talking so fast
final sundial
just read the thing smh
final sundial
Subtitles are for the non North Americans
like me 
smoky sinew
well im not a North American
delicate raptor
Do you guys know if theres any place to look up potential builds based on what aspects you choose? Like lets say I want to do Guan Yu, is there a resource out there to tell me what builds work best with it?
proven osprey
There is me
final sundial
You can always ask iirc
smoky sinew
Actually a site full of builds woulb be interesting
final sundial
what's the closest thing to a meme build in this game
proven osprey
Classis combos are well known
opal lodge
you also cant i frame aphro's arrow
opal lodge
tempest strike on anything
smoky sinew
i experiment
proven osprey
tempest strike on anything
this
opal lodge
GY/lucifer are the classic tempest strike memes
heady peak
Is this a good combo of deities for arthur?
Start with Aphrodite, then Athena, Artemis/Dionysis last
opal lodge
not bad
proven osprey
It's nice, I'd say Athena start is safer
opal lodge
tbh its mostly AAA and then your 4th god doesnt matter
heady peak
I'm going artemis in case my damage is low, dio in case I get the shadow slash hammer
opal lodge
what would dio do for shadow slash
final sundial
Nemesis blade with artemis attack is nice
heady peak
dio, I pick him up for damage reduction
opal lodge
im not aware of any interaction between the two knusperkeks
hmm
dio seems the least important of those 4
heady peak
also he gives me sustain through fountain heals, so I figured it's decent
opal lodge
zeus and ares are generally pretty good on swords as secondsry gods
heady peak
I'm a bit greedy as far as HP is concerned so I hope dio gives me the juicy hp from nectar
zeus and ares work great if I want things to die faster, their secondary boons are awesome
especially the smoldering air with zeus call and, what is it called... billowing air?
billowing strength I believe
smoky sinew
So Aphrodiety, Athena and Artemis would be the charge build (AAA batteries) I'm so sorry
heady peak
I'll check that out then, thanks
dry shuttle
what are some of the best dps setups?
dry ember
Merciful End on fists
so Curse of Agony on Attack, Divine Dash, Merciful End (note that Divine Dash by itself isn't a pre req for ME, you need Divine Flourish also)
proven osprey
Smoldering air and Zeus call on any melee ish weapon
opal lodge
smoldering air + zeus call + billowing is quite nice on crit nemesis
raven aspen
what are some of the best dps setups?
Hiron's bow with hammers, 5-cluster Eris
And hypothetically vs dummy with endless health ideal Demeter cast build should overdamage other builds several times
And also caster with Pos+Demeter duo is too strong
tame bison
With Spear, Do I take Deflect Cast, Deflect attack or reroll hoping for dash?
I have doom special with exploding launcher
rare kindle
Deflect attack sounds fairly strong here because of merciful end
tame bison
Oh I’ve never seen that one. Yeah that looks good.
How does Dire Misfortune work? Does hitting something rapid fire with Special trigger multiple Doom?
Or do you have to use some other ability that applies it a 2nd time or something
vital bay
Is Artemis the highest damage cast that lodges?
delicate raptor
so Curse of Agony on Attack, Divine Dash, Merciful End (note that Divine Dash by...
Whcih aspect do you use on fists for this?
heady iris
Demeter aspect is insane
Use that one
It’s deadly, stack with critical Artemis and watch the hits. Was doing 1k on a dash uppercut
Like every time
Was insane
sonic mural
if ur going merciful end, then the special is a nice burst but not really too impactful
tame bison
For Chiron bow: you want Doom on the special? Or attack?
sonic mural
artemis on special, aphro on attack
devout ether
I mean, you can do Doom on special if you want, provided you get the stacking
sonic mural
i mean if you want it for priviledged status, it'll go away too quick, and you need an extra boon for it to stack but its still worse than dionysus
devout ether
Chiron is good enough that it dont really matter unless you're going for high heat
dry ember
Whcih aspect do you use on fists for this?
anything can do. Dem fists can help you in the early game to get ME
but any aspect can use it well
tranquil cliff
Why is Aphrodite on attack good? Ideally aren't you dodging most hits, so that Weak does very little?
turbid needle
it has the highest flat % bonus of any strike
arty is technically higher by a bit, but less consistent
real kernel
If you can get Charm, it is pretty good for interrupting enemies too.
Even bosses, to some degree
opal lodge
arty can be higher but depends on support boons to raise your effective crit chance
namely hunters mark, etc
devout ether
arty is technically higher by a bit, but less consistent
Not at base values
opal lodge
edited to reflect ^
devout ether
Arty scales better with poms thanks to crit though
real kernel
And Punished is very good, so even less useful Status Curses can be meaningful
opal lodge
also hunter dash helps you mitigate some of the damage loss
devout ether
What's "punished"?
opal lodge
hunter dash means more for deadly strike than it does for heartbreak strike
turbid needle
Hades spear
devout ether
Ah
real kernel
What's "punished"?
Privileged Status
turbid needle
hunter dash is busted
opal lodge
used to be even more busted
turbid needle
it was guaranteed crit after dash wasn't it
opal lodge
priv stat is so hmm
dry ember
it was guaranteed crit after dash wasn't it
Lol if only that was true
opal lodge
just admit you like the funny sounds
dry ember
Bows would be S+ tier
rare kindle
hmm, I never take hunter dash
dry ember
it was guaranteed crit after dash wasn't it
It's just a stats pump
opal lodge
hunter dash is amazing on swords/bows/spears
devout ether
hmm, I never take hunter dash
It's so much damage with bow, man
You should try it once
dry ember
Epic Hunter Dash used to give 100% dash strike damage i think, now its around 80
opal lodge
jesus
real kernel
I'm no expert, but Privileged Status seems great for early damage dealing
opal lodge
epic is now 70 im p sure
devout ether
I'm no expert, but Privileged Status seems great for early damage dealing
It's great when you're starting out, yeah
opal lodge
the question is when youre going to get priv stat early
devout ether
But when you actually get good the consistency of FF is better
opal lodge
and that happens in very niche builds
real kernel
You need two Boons to get +40% off Privileged Status, and eight Boons to get +40% off Family Favorite
frail schooner
shackled shatter is great for starting
turbid needle
it's only a 15% difference, additive
devout ether
You need two Boons to get +40% off Privileged Status, and eight Boons to get +40...
Yeah but even then you need to APPLY the curses to get the boost with PS
real kernel
I use Privileged Status when I am planning to use two different kinds of attack in quick succession anyway.
devout ether
While FF is always active
real kernel
For instance, you often want to use Attack and Special back and forth with the Adamant Rail
opal lodge
depends when you are going to get priv stat active too
devout ether
For instance, you often want to use Attack *and* Special back and forth with the...
But the best boons for those are Zeus/Art
opal lodge
priv stat also means you arent running artemis which is a mistake
devout ether
Which would require four boons to even get statuses
real kernel
But the best boons for those are Zeus/Art
I've used Jolted to great effect
devout ether
And Marked isnt even a guaranteed
opal lodge
i will deny myself the only multiplicative damage in the game to get +40% additive
this is very smart
devout ether
No, crit is
opal lodge
what im saying is that artemis doesnt fit into priv stat builds
because hunters mark is unreliable status
real kernel
I don't build around Privileged Status, really
devout ether
Also, PS and FF don't even boost lightning damage, right?
opal lodge
they do
devout ether
Oh, nice
opal lodge
they should be global damage modifiers
ive noticed people who like PS also like pom blossom
theyre both nonexistent when you would want them and dont matter once you get them
+40% additive matters less and less the later you get it
real kernel
That's my reasoning for favoring it over FF
Which will only start overtaking it later
opal lodge
well
real kernel
Neither is run-defining
real kernel
BS
real kernel
Boons from 25 different Olympians?
turbid needle
what
opal lodge
yeah
lol
look i'll say what i say every time this debate comes up run PS if you want to
but theres a reason its not picked for speed or high heat
real kernel
I've only had like five wins so far, so I have no illusions about my plans being optimal
I'm just explaining my reasoning in the hopes that someone points out a flaw and I end up doing better having fixed it
By the way, on the topic of speed: does the timer stop when you finish combat in a chamber?
opal lodge
no
turbid needle
boss fights only
opal lodge
taking status curse boons also means you arent taking other boons
ie you would have to take razor shoals over breaking wave, for example
real kernel
I haven't even unlocked Fated Persuasion yet, so I'm not really choosy yet
opal lodge
ultimately i think i'd consider priv stat if it werent for the fact that means artemis isnt in a primary dps slot
proven osprey
@sharp drift
sharp drift
@proven osprey
deep salmon
i only take PS if i'm sure to take debuff boons on my run, otherwise i go FF
turbid needle
random : Do you have an alt Neuro on bbs? @sharp drift
valid storm
It’s hard to argue against FF tbh
tame bison
PS also basically irrelevant vs all the various mobs you one shot
Chariots and skulls and Mages etc
And also less good when you have to swap targets a lot from dodging or hiding etc
frail schooner
you one shot chariots?
tame bison
The little ones I mean
Like in a perfect world you always have two status on all your targets but that doesn’t always happen
So now it’s 20% dmg from FF all the time vs...75% uptime on PS? Just random numbers.
But there’s a point where damage all the time might be better. Say 30% all the time etc
proven osprey
they are armored anyway
I'm considering high heat where you have less boons
but that would be a specific setup
tame bison
Disclaimer: I don’t know crap about high heat lol
sharp drift
I don't know what bbs is but that's probably not me
devout ether
The argument is that you have to hit enemies twice to receive PS on the third hit, versus just getting +20% on those first two hits and killing it anyways
tame bison
Yeah that’s a better way to phrase it ^^^
turbid needle
weird, because the Neuro there had the same profile pic. Weird coincidence. 👀
devout ether
It's a popular anime meme, Usui
turbid needle
padoru padoru
vagrant olive
Darn it dad, no need to be so extreme
Anyway may i please have some help with extreme measure 4? I got rekted
vagrant olive
Wasn;t expecting the spear throw
proven osprey
It's fast
vagrant olive
And is it me or did his sweep get larger?
proven osprey
I don't think so, he just double sweeps
vagrant olive
Honestly my main focus rn is just getting pat to god darn lemme unlock the pact
Last side story
tame bison
If I suck, is Lightning Reflexes worth it at all? If you’re good at dodging, is it worth it?
vagrant olive
Your enemy can be on like the other side of the the map and work i believe
It barely takes much luck for it to work
Just spam dash when you need it
proven osprey
If I suck, is Lightning Reflexes worth it at all? If you’re good at dodging, is ...
Even if you don't it's bad
tame bison
Like sell it for gold bad? Lol
proven osprey
yeah
vagrant olive
It’s helped me fighting tiny rat in styr tho
proven osprey
It's a boon I like to sell with UC
vagrant olive
And cat explodies
vagrant olive
Ah divine dash=
Aside from the dash and the extra death defiant thats all i ever use athena for
vagrant olive
F artemis or hammer
opal lodge
yeah snilly
forest marsh
Any cast that doesn't stick can be good for Stygian
rare kindle
demeter or dio cast
proven osprey
tf I just watched
glossy willow
Returned to hades after a long break
What aspect would yall recommend for the fists?
And the rail?
dire kelp
hidden for fist, eris for rail
rare kindle
I like demeter fists
dire kelp
Lmao
languid dagger
tf I just watched
destruction
glossy willow
Cuz I wanted to start up again with the new stuff
Oh I have all the weapons unlocked lol
proven osprey
nah starting a new run
rare kindle
You can trade for titan blood anyway
proven osprey
yeah you did not screw up
dire kelp
you cant really screw up in this game
tame bison
Is stubborn defiance like a thing for higher heat? Death defiance is just a million times better lol
pine flax
is there a boon that makes festive fog afflict hangover?
languid dagger
is there a boon that makes festive fog afflict hangover?
no
pine flax
darn
languid dagger
but with hangover boons and festive fog you have a road to Dio's legendary
devout ether
No no, that's dad's Companion.
His Call is presumably either invisibility or the non-directional laser
proven osprey
hmm
rare kindle
If you take his call you get invisibility
proven osprey
He builds up call by cheating then
rare kindle
and yet the invisibility comes from his helm in myth
proven osprey
yeah it's companion
turbid needle
why does zeus on rama special better than zeus on special for any other bow? @languid dagger
torpid wren
i think the bolts are more consistent given the speed. Chiron for example doesn't get nearly enough off since the shots hit a single target so fast and there's cooldown between each bolt.
plus like. Rama's special doesn't need hammers or any sort of setup(like using Chiron's lock on, or doing point blank shotguns) to make use of every shot hitting a single target.
languid dagger
why does zeus on rama special better than zeus on special for any other bow? <@!...
What Akimaye said
it's very fast plus it ricochets all around the place proccing Zeus' Thunder Flourish on packs of monsters
add Double Strike/Jolted to that
Hermes Special speed
and everything melts
Zeus Call is a big boost too
versed spoke
Guan Yu + Divine Strike = amazing
I've literally done 7 successful escape attempts in a row, with increasing heat
No other weapon has granted me such a winning streak.
Given the mechanics of this game. I originally thought Guan Yu sucked, since it nerfs your health bar hard. But this thing is amazing. The hammers always offer some sort of buff to the spin attack, at least 1 spin buff per run, very generous.
On top of that, add the swift attack hermes boon, and boom, You're basically the new Hades.
languid dagger
Can you really pull off those spin attacks often when monsters are interrupting you constantly?
turbid needle
dash out of your spin attacks
versed spoke
just dash away
digital widget
I might be missing something but Guan Yu doesn't seem very good to me. Is there a certain technique or skill to be focused on?
turbid needle
it extends the range and I'm pretty sure you're invincible during it
versed spoke
remember, you have divine strike
turbid needle
use special more author
versed spoke
so the spin disc functions as a shield as well
digital widget
ahh ok
versed spoke
I rarely use the special. I spin spam all day
turbid needle
it's piercing and has a beeg hitbox
versed spoke
there's a hammer boon that makes you charge it way faster
- the hermes boon of swift attack
turbid needle
yeah but you don't always get that
versed spoke
yeah, but there's like 3 other boons that are way legit as well
the long distance disc boon
the sturdy spin boon
the giant disc boon
YOu can always get at least 1 per run, pretty early in the game as well
turbid needle
quick spin is the best by a mile though
versed spoke
for sure
pine flax
holy moly
versed spoke
quick sping + swift attack, you can throw discs like...all day
pine flax
@opal lodge stygian soul dio cast is the TRUTH
turbid needle
lmao yep
versed spoke
I forgot what that one was.
versed spoke
do you get at least one duo per run?
languid dagger
i was on zeus + aphro, dio + zeus
That's pretty much the best you could hope for )
you do need double strike and jolted tho for full dps
zeus legendary would be insane ofc
pine flax
o isee jolted would be good
i had extra cast stone from chaos
so wasnt lacking on the deeps
glossy willow
So, I just cannot seem to beat Hades
I've gotten to him like...........I can't even count how many times I've gotten to him
pine flax
what weapon?
glossy willow
Usually go with the fists
pine flax
also it takes some time to learn his attack pattern
are you aware that dash strikes have no i frames?
and you need to just dash to dodge
glossy willow
That I was not aware of
pine flax
cause that might be it if you think you're dodging things but still getting hit with fists
glossy willow
But really, the problem is I ALWAYS lose at least 1 death defiance in elysium
pine flax
do you have 3 DD unlocked already?
glossy willow
I have 2
pine flax
The third makes it pretty easy to do the fight if you dont know it well
glossy willow
Using demeter fists
pine flax
that + skull tooth means you can pretty much just sac all your lives
glossy willow
Free hits?
opal lodge
snilly you usually want mirage shot and scint feast
turbid needle
no that's skull earring
glossy willow
Ahhhhhh okok
turbid needle
my ratio with tooth/acorn is so funny
tooth is 14 uses, 2 wins
acorn is 50 something uses with 1 loss
tooth is 100 hp, which amounts to 2-3 hits from dad in the fight
pine flax
do you think thats cause you used tooth while you were still starting though
rare kindle
I lose a lot with tooth because chances are if I’m using tooth, I’ve already used all my DDs
thick moon
half birch
any cool aspect of lucifer builds?
smoky sinew
Athena or Zeus and try getting the infinite ammo hammer
coarse moss
lucifer - triple bomb with zeus/ares/dio special. dump bombs everywhere and run around till enemies die
smoky sinew
||lucifer|| is a spoiler btw
half birch
oh my bad how do i do spoiler tags
smoky sinew
Oh I didn't know
half birch
whew
unkempt pagoda
for future reference though, ||spoiler||
half birch
okay, thanks!!
unkempt pagoda
coarse moss
use chill attack to keep enemy in the bomb pulse while they slowly come at you
uncut glacier
Wats that build that the 25 minute speedruner used it combined athena and ares duo boon
opal lodge
merciful end
uncut glacier
Seems powerful if u can get it on the first run with no deaths
opal lodge
it is quite powerful
uncut glacier
I shall use it when i get the game
versed spoke
are you aware that dash strikes have no i frames?
the MOST important detail in this game
I may be stuck in Guan Yu purgatory, its like I refuse to use any other weapon.
Its just to much freaking fun to launch this disc votex
half birch
I have no luck with Guan Yu
versed spoke
Here's the Guan Yu build:
Divine Strike > Spam spin attack
half birch
really? spin attack?
versed spoke
yup\
half birch
hmmm might have to check it out
versed spoke
with divine strike, it deflects everything
nothing can get past the disk (almost nothing)
I started on 0 heat with Guan Yu, no I'm on heat 7, havent died a single time, havent even needed stubborn defiance
Heck, I even play with High Confidence, and not the mirror buff that ups your health
half birch
whats the main argument for death defiance vs stubborn?
versed spoke
I use the one that you can rez on every room
the other one, you can rez like twice max
so, stubborn defiance
opal lodge
it's not one size fits all but
stubborn is usually preferred for high heat where you can't heal otherwise
versed spoke
yup
versed spoke
even if you don't die in one room, if you have low health, you can stand on the lava to heal after you die
the one that's not stubborn defiance, is more if you for sure know you can reach hades without dying, then you can rez twice during the hades fight
but its so unlikely, if you can reach hades without ever needing to rez, then you can for sure beat hades
versed spoke
Usually go with the fists
First time I ever killed hades was with Chaos Shield
the solar beams that hades shoot out, you can block that, which is crazy if you think about it
its the most dangerous attack in the game....and you can block it
innteresting
versed spoke
I learned the game via Chaos Shield. Only after I learned most enemies attack could I then best it with gauntlets and sword etc
the rail gun is a bit easier even if you can't stagger enemies, due to high dps
but for sure, if you take any shield and take your time, you're going to beat hades
preferably chaos shield though, its better for crowd control
also, my fastest game was with Guan Yu. Like 25 min or something. Its taken me 40 min to pass the game with the shield. Huge difference.
half birch
I think my fastest was 20 minutes with Eris
versed spoke
Eris is such high dps. I love the damn thing. Zeus attack right?
half birch
yeah it was beautiful
versed spoke
amazing
half birch
plus splash dash
versed spoke
I pray every day to get those boon rng
Its that one in a million run
You ever had such a good run, that you play the next run with the muscle memory of the last run, only to realize you have differnent boons?
half birch
yeah, except it's always with dashes
I always forget that I don't have extra dashes from hermes
versed spoke
dude, the other day, I got 7 dashes, using gilgamesh
YOu can get heroic Hermez boon that has +4 dash
half birch
that sounds like heaven
sonic juniper
Does Achilles bonus apply to doom, hangover, jolted, and frostbite?
versed spoke
Does Achilles bonus apply to doom, hangover, jolted, and frostbite?
the one where after you spin you get next 4 attacks +dmg?
I'm sure it does
or.....
idk
sonic juniper
Special + bullrush
versed spoke
there's a charm that gives +30% damage to ranged foes, and I always wondered if it applied to doom
versed spoke
Special + bullrush
yeah, doom and other curses apply to shield special and bullrush
sonic juniper
No, Aspect of Achilles' special and raging rush (not bullrush, my bad)
versed spoke
I mean, its got to. I see no reason why it wouldn't
I just barely ever use that spear. I use Guan Yu.
Because I'm a sick degenerate
opal lodge
achilles does not impact flat damage on the moves iirc
it does impact cast damage though
sonic juniper
Thanks, it felt like a very grey zone. Shame.
versed spoke
@opal lodge with the hard hitting facts
sonic juniper
So Eris is the only aspect to buff DOT/delayed damage boons?
turbid needle
Gilgamesh should as well.
Eris and Gil are the only two Aspects that provide some sort of universal damage-up.
turbid needle
Eris buffs dots? Does it buff existing dots or only dots applied during the Eris buff?
I didn't notice at first Gilgamesh gives you extra dashes lol.
opal lodge
eris buffs everything while the buff is up
turbid needle
How does parting shot work? Is it a flat damage increase to cast based on bonus back stab or does it allow for casts to "backstab"
river wing
allows cast to backstab
balmy portal
I think casts that bypass shields always count as backstabbing for it, too
spiral tree
balmy portal
That's just terrifying
turbid needle
Does dash strikes from Artemis grant dash bonus to dash specials?
royal helm
nova shale
So, something interesting I found is that blocking the final boss's casts deletes them
river wing
If you pick up dashing flight on shield, artemis dash works on the special too
Not that its worth doing so...
leaden glade
Hello all, just a quick question, am I the only person able to reach the final boss like 20 times and never beat him ?
I beat it twice in 60 runs I’d say
cloud vault
I doubt that you are
leaden glade
@cloud vault what about you ? 🙂
cloud vault
I beat hades on run 13 or 14 and went on a long winning streak until I died eventually on some heat
leaden glade
run 13 you beat the game !? 😮
damn, only ended on run 49 or 50
this game is too hard for me
I should stop…
cloud vault
Well I have a lot of experience with similar games
Dead Cells and Sekiro for example
leaden glade
OK, heard of them… Sekiro is known for being very hard
opal lodge
theres nothing wrong with using god mode if you're just trying to make it through
leaden glade
maybe…
cloud vault
I believe in you guite. If you've done it once or twice you can do it again.
leaden glade
ha ha ! Thanks
thing with the god mode is that I don’t really want to be more resistant, I want to deal more damages… I hardly find things that really helps 🙂
coarse moss
for my first few runs, i find the shield most consistent for winning
block, apply doom on throw, block
its not fast, but it wins
leaden glade
Time is most probably my worst enemy, I can’t waste time on videogames so every run I do I try to be as fast as I can
therefore I take damage… 🙂
coarse moss
my run times doing this around 30-35 minutes, so its not like it takes forever 😆
cloud vault
Better to do 1 slow run than 2 fast ones when you want to win
leaden glade
I’ll think about it
BTW, I’m unable to do an assault with the bow, 9 on 10 times it just does a dash, is there a known issue about this ?
I play on PC, pressing A then X (in less than 1/2 second)… but it ends with dash only
cloud vault
You need to keep the attack button pressed to charge up the bow shot
Same as normal attacks with the bow
coarse moss
i had a thing with my keyboard where i can't dash when im pressing 2 other buttons to move
use controller and its much better
leaden glade
OK so I press X first, keep pressing and press A, right ?
cloud vault
You press dash and then press and hold attack.
Release to shoot.
You can do a dash power shot too
molten mason
just got to styx with a p busted malphon build, just wanna know how cursed it is to run rooms here with coronacht instead?
proven osprey
styx is scarier with melee weapons imo
molten mason
that so :O is there a more efficient way to use coronacht in more cramped rooms like in styx?
granted i had plenty of AOE on my fists cuz i got poseidon's dash and the ground pound special from daedalus but it feels like itd be difficult to clear rooms fast using coronacht
proven osprey
Because of poison rats, it can be really hard a close range imo. But that would be true for high heat
Yeah the lack of aoe can be painful even if you're ranged
But the bow kills fast anyway
molten mason
hmm guess youd have to focus a lot on proper positioning and shooting fast
coarse moss
never tried parting shot on it, but dio cast with ice wine/ scintillating feast is lots of fun
river wing
you can't get it on beo
coarse moss
the keepsakes that says "blessings have +20% chance to be rare or better" do they increase chance of duo?
cosmic hornet
yes
coarse moss
nice, thanks
sonic juniper
Hell Mode: is there a cap to the mandatory heat increases?
devout ether
No, the mandatory heat is five, and it's always the same five
sonic juniper
I heard that after you clear a heat amount, you have to raise it for your next run
main osprey
if you want to get rewards, yes
sonic juniper
In Hell mode? Huh, maybe I was misinformed, I heard you couldn't even start the run.
main osprey
I haven't played hell mode, so not sure
devout ether
I havent either, but I'm fairly certain you're never forced to increase heat in any situation
main osprey
ye
sonic juniper
Because this reddit thread says the exact opposite: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/f6r97c/does_hell_mode_mean_i_will_not_be_able_to/
I'll just go test it myself when I have time then
devout ether
Hell Mode no longer forces you to play at escalating Heat levels
That reddit thread is ten months old btw
@sonic juniper
sonic juniper
Sweet, thanks
languid dagger
guys, does spread fire do anything for Hestia?
I know Ricochet is much better but just curious how it's gonna work with empowered shot
languid dagger
You get a long range shotgun blast
damn, already took ricochet, gonna try it next time I guess
got a really sick Hestia build going
god damn it, forgot to use meg on Teseus
just check out this damage
languid dagger
the ones that make you sturdy?
gusty basalt
npe
languid dagger
or the ones that add consecutive damage?
languid dagger
hmm, good question
they should
but I wouldn't be to excited about this hammer tbh
gusty basalt
yeah I got some garbage boons from hammer and was considering getting that
yeah, I love the kick, but thats it
languid dagger
Breaching cross is always the top option
and for Demeter there are couple of really good options that I like
consecrated shot and dash upper explosion
latter one might be awkward to use
Hammer that makes you sturdy is also a great defensive choice
gusty basalt
I got quake cutter and flying cutter, other than concentrated
dont love any of those
languid dagger
quake cutter might be okay-ish with Talos
gusty basalt
Im with Gilgamesh
languid dagger
should be ok with that if you are maiming
gusty basalt
yeah
languid dagger
How strong is that build compared to other melee builds @opal lodge ?
opal lodge
thats the idea
imo not that strong but im biased against spear
im told this is the strongest hades spear build though
by people who actually like the weapon
languid dagger
I have tried Athena Flurry Jab on Achilles recently, got all the boons and some chaos boons and deadly reversal
and it was honestly meh
Does Hades Aspect boost Doom damage?
turbid needle
I had a dio attack ares special fists run and it was actually super fun
unkempt pagoda
@languid dagger please don't evade the swear filter!
vale oasis
Any builds on zagreus sword? Just maxed it out for skelly and got pranked
opal lodge
merciful end is the "meta" build for zag sword
though merciful end is the meta build for really any aspects that suck
languid dagger
hey now, what about Lambent Plume builds
a bit random but if you get it rolling
it's super fun
and stronk
languid dagger
Whats merciful end xd
duo boon of Ares and Athena - your deflects activate doom
vale oasis
Oh that one
I actually don't know the names yet sorry
opal lodge
yeah so you just get ares attack athena special and then do the normal nem combo
vale oasis
though merciful end is the meta build for really any aspects that suck
I didn't know that tbh
opal lodge
yup
vale oasis
I am using zeus + artemis or artemis + aphro currently
languid dagger
Heart Rend is a cookie cutter route for quite a few aspects
opal lodge
^
languid dagger
but I personally dislike taking it because it is a bit borring
opal lodge
yeah now that sea storms nerfed it's usually heart rend or merciful end
languid dagger
I'd say Smoldering Air with Zeus boons also saves weak aspects
my personal favourite
for a cookie cutter build
can't go wrong with it
fair plinth
question
how does lightning strike (zeus chain lightning on attack) interact with ricochet fire (exagryph attacks bounce to 1 additional target)
will the second target also trigger lightning strike?
vale oasis
I'd say Smoldering Air with Zeus boons also saves weak aspects
How do i get duo boons without rng? Like, sometimes I get and sometimes I don't
You guys say it like it is super normal lol
turbid needle
ur at the mercy of rng
smoky sinew
2 mirror upgrades help a lot just more chance for duos and legendaries and the dices that reroll either room or boons both can help
they actually offer high changes
vale oasis
But there are boons that you get from 2 gods that enables duo boons right?
cinder wave
I'd say Smoldering Air with Zeus boons also saves weak aspects
@languid dagger What do you generally spend all that god gauge on? Anything in particular?
languid dagger
<@!274230000935370763> What do you generally spend all that god gauge on? Anythi...
with Smoldering Air I spam it basically
cinder wave
Spam what though?
Just whatever your call happens to be?
Or do you tend to aim for a particular call?
opal lodge
hopefully zeus
fair plinth
uhhhh
opal lodge
zeus' aid makes it very easy to get smoldering anyway
and does the most damage on a lesser call
cinder wave
Got it. Thanks!
opal lodge
@fair plinth the ricochet will not proc a new lightning
fair plinth
is dio keepsake broken? I've been using it from tartarus all the way till elysium and besides the one in the first chamber I haven't seen a single dio boon
the first boon I've encountered in elysium is zeus/ares double boon room
no dio
opal lodge
god keepsakes only guarantee the first boon
fair plinth
isnt it the first boon per stage?
opal lodge
you can tell because it has a "1" above the keepsake when you equip it that expires after you see it
yes but once in a run
so if you use dio keepsake in tartarus it wont guarantee in asphodel
vale oasis
What combos* i use on the sword using merciful ending?
vale oasis
Yeah i already got those
But like
I just run and spam attcak and special?
The special is quite slow to reflect some attacks imo
cinder wave
zeus' aid makes it very easy to get smoldering anyway
Makes it easy because it satisfies the Zeus part of the requirement, or something else?
opal lodge
yeah satisfies the prereq, fills a core boon slot
cinder wave
Cool, thanks!
vale oasis
Okay so I got a legendary boon and one that is on my fated choices, which one should i pick?
Proud Bearing and Divine Protection
solid cairn
Is the legendary in your prophecy
thorny dirge
i've thrown many a run by picking fated over an actual good boon
10/10 would do again
solid cairn
Take that then because divine protection is rather weak
worthy shoal
What boons work best with a sheild?
vale oasis
And the fated is kinda meh
solid cairn
It’s... okay
solid cairn
The problem with Athena legendary is that you have no control of when the shield goes up
Sure it could block a very strong attack
But it could also block a very weak hit
And then you have to wait 20 more seconds
vale oasis
All right, in the end it didn't matter because hades let me pass ._.
vale oasis
And then you have to wait 20 more seconds
Yeah
And Hades uses boiling blood so I could take the 60 attack damage anyway
languid dagger
Or do you tend to aim for a particular call?
Zeus ofc
solid cairn
If when the shield went up it deflected all attacks for a few seconds before going down, it could be a lot better
But that would be too similar to the call I guess
solid cairn
I feel like they made legendaries a bit weak in this game
alpine solar
Not the ares one at least
undone anvil
Demeter
solid cairn
The problem with the ares one isn’t the boon itself, but that blade rifts just aren’t all that strong
If you do manage to get hunting blades vicious cycle of course you are going to destroy everything
Although cycle does also work well with the call
Second wave is horrible
Fully loaded is hard to get when you do want it and always appears when you don’t want it
Black out is just a decent damage boost for festive fog so it’s not terrible
Splitting bolt is great on call and attack/specials that attack fast
Oh hey museus
vale oasis
I got and ending i think, what the hell is it lol
fallen mirage
Each legendary has a niche. Arty is amazing for cast builds, Athena is amazing for surviving, Aphrodite also helps with surviving, although the animation re-up hurts a bit, Dio is huge on DioBeo, Ares is super strong if you're willing to gamble for it, Demeter (that's culling strike, right?) is a nice buff and super cool, but not insanely powerful, but that's kind of Demeter's MO, Hermes is wildly strong on cast builds, Poseidon is bad but like, PoS-eidon is his nickname for a reason, Zeus is very good for fast attacks
Who am I missing?
solid cairn
Dem’s is winter harvest
fallen mirage
The point being, you don't want every legendary every time, but if you get the legendary for your build, you're going to have a good time
Yeah, culling strike, the execute below 10%
solid cairn
Maybe I’m underestimating Athena’s
vale oasis
Who am I missing?
Theres chaos right?
fallen mirage
Chaos is DDs, that's great for non-speedruns
solid cairn
Hmm it says it’s called winter harvest
fallen mirage
PoE has a Culling Strike support gem that does the same thing
vale oasis
DDs?
rare kindle
Chaos only offers me their legendary when I can't survive past the curse
fallen mirage
Death Defiance
vale oasis
Oh
rare kindle
Yeah, hermes and artemis are great for cast builds
fallen mirage
Greater Recall kind of gets weaker the better you get at cast management, imo, whereas Bad News is just super strong on not-sticky casts
solid cairn
Good point
alpine solar
what's the matter with poseidon ?
fallen mirage
He's got dash, breaking wave, and Hydraulic Might, and not much else, from a speedrunning perspective
Second Wave doesn't really do much other than troll you, and the fishing legendary is good for meta progression and flexing during races, but that's it
vale oasis
One of his legendarys is just fishing points, and the other adds one more knock away effects
I think
solid cairn
his call is one of the best in the game
fallen mirage
It makes each of your knockback abilities knockback again like 0.25s later
solid cairn
his cast is really nice
alpine solar
Well, i didn't try speedrunning yet
solid cairn
he has the second highest % damage increase on special
solid cairn
credit where credit's due at least
his support boons aren't great either
sunken treasure is a giant meme
fallen mirage
I dunno, I don't think I've ever been happy to see Poseidon outside of Eris rail
alpine solar
Idk, i love him and his duo with zeus
solid cairn
it is part of mirage shot ig?
alpine solar
On malphon it's really fun
fallen mirage
That's not true, in one race I got Poseidon in Styx, and was just barely short of buying an Artemis boon, and then he gave me Sunken Treasure and I could afford the Artemis boon, that was nice
red aspen
i love Poseidon on ranged attack and dash. im not fan of him on melee attacks
solid cairn
I mean of course it has some uses
ocean's bounty is good for meta stuff
but doesn't help you that much in that run
I kind of wish the gods were more equal with each other
tame bison
Build recommendations for Fists? Don’t have fancy Titan Blood upgrades.
solid cairn
zeus attack is great
tame bison
Any advice on abusing the special or do most ppl not use it bc it seems slow and awkward to me
solid cairn
Any advice on abusing the special or do most ppl not use it bc it seems slow and...
on demeter aspect it's huge burst damage
alpine solar
it depend on your daedallus upgrade
rare kindle
Yeah, I tag enemies with the special once and spam attack
on demeter, I use special only once it's been charged up
tame bison
Thanks
fair plinth
hmm
I'm going for a dio-zeus-demeter trippy bomb build with talos fists
would it be better to take +1 cast from chaos or +52% cast damage
tame bison
Oh that sounds fun. I need to try that lol
Which casts best make use of Lightning Rod? I guess trippy bomb? What else?
Like I have Athena cast right now and I’m thinking this is just not exciting
Maybe it is I gues
dry shuttle
any recommendations for building shield of ||beowulf||?
do you try for festive fog builds to get the good duos?
sonic juniper
Trippy flare or Passion flare are my favourites there
dry shuttle
okay
bronze marten
Any tips on Guan Yu? I barely made it to dad and he beat me before he was down 1/2 of his life
I have maxed out blood but the super low hp makes me play so conservatively
dry shuttle
I'm personally really bad with it but I've heard that you want to rely on your special more because the damage output is high
and the main attack is slow
proven osprey
There is a lot to say
bronze marten
I’ll watch a video if you can point me in the right direction
proven osprey
It relies on hammer basically. Charged skewer is the best. Serrated point is really good. Other than that, spin builds are perfectly viable
Deadly flourish, Heartbreak flourish are good. Basically all special % combined with charged skewer can clear a run
bronze marten
Oh gotcha
proven osprey
The classic skewer build is Deadly flourish with Heartbreak strike to go for Heart rend
bronze marten
Yeah I tried for sea storm spin attacks
bronze marten
Didn’t get sea storm and wouldn’t have won if I did lol
proven osprey
Don't do tempest strike it's a meme
bronze marten
Sea storm is probably a third of my clears haha
proven osprey
Frost strike, Heartbreak strike, Divine strike, Deadly strike are the best
proven osprey
Yeah it's no good on GY, a meme
bronze marten
Gotcha
proven osprey
Also
bronze marten
Thanks for clarifying
proven osprey
Special double dash strike is the optimal dps combo
Be careful without divine dash it's quite risky
And that's it I think lol
Try to build around your first hammer I would say
rare kindle
What hammers are good on eris?
proven osprey
Athena start is safe
rare kindle
Caps lock was on by accident
vale oasis
Any builds on zag shield?
dry shuttle
use a different aspect lol
proven osprey
Zag shield is decent from what I've heard
vale oasis
They r not upgraded xd
rare kindle
I got confused when I took rocket bomb on eris and didn't see the big circle for the special but it looked like it was doing big damage and the eris buff still looked like it was working
vale oasis
And yes, its decent
vale oasis
I think i ll go with ares and athena
dry shuttle
I feel like ares could be good on special
idk how much zag relies on special but if you're not using it that often ares could work
vale oasis
Zag shield does not rely that much
rare kindle
Yeah, ares is good on shield special
vale oasis
Chaos shield does tho
dry shuttle
yeah chaos shield is one of my fav aspects
vale oasis
My favorite is chiron bow rn
dry shuttle
I usually put dio or zeus on special bc you just use it so often
chiron bow is also sick
vale oasis
Its broken
rare kindle
I like chiron bow too
vale oasis
Have you tried artemis + zeus on chaos shield?
it's probably good to
Their duo boon is nice
dry shuttle
no I like ares or aphrodite on attack
or poseidon
zeus on special tho for sure the dps goes bonkers
especially with jolted
dry shuttle
yeah it kinda goes dumb
vale oasis
I got zeus legendary last run, bruh
It's insane
But yeah, i think i ll go with ares and athena
Ty guys
dry shuttle
good luck :)
vital bay
Does the Zag glove stack with the dodge chance from the feather and hermes boons?
and if so is it additive
rare kindle
Yeah, dodge chance stacks
vital bay
but additively not like diminishing returns right?
sonic mural
you can hit 100% dodge chance
split jackal
vital bay
wait
is lambent plume uncapped
Also if you are playing for hermes boons losing dash isn't that bad @split jackal
cloud vault
Lambent Plume is only capped by the number of chambers you clear
vale oasis
What pacts do you get at about 8 heat?
dry shuttle
you choose what pacts to equip, and which ones are easiest for you to deal with
vale oasis
Any tips?