depends on a lot of things
#h1-builds-and-combat
opal lodge
legendary base chance is 12% i believe? but affected by whether your core boons are filled, yarns, god's legacy, miniboss room, etc
nova shale
Is that 12% to be one of the offers or 12% to be each of the offers?
opal lodge
per offer
here is full math reposted again
Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance of rolling duo/legendary per offered boon (in non-miniboss / non-styx rooms)
10% - increase from God's Legacy
10% - increase from corresponding god trinket
So for a normal room when you are running God's Legacy on the mirror and already have the pre-reqs, your overall chance of hitting the legendary/duo is:
39% - Chance with no god trinket and core boons not filled
51% - Chance with no god trinket but core boons are filled
54% - Chance with god trinket and core boons not filled
67% - Chance with god trinket and core boons are filled
nova shale
And with persuasion you can reroll to push the odds further in your favor
Duos and legendaries are the same drop rate, right?
nova shale
So if core boons aren't filled then boons are offered to fill them, but if they are filled then you're less likely to get core boons
opal lodge
yeah so the way the math works is that you'll always be offered 1 core if not all are filled
turbid needle
should I take pride or legacy
nova shale
But if there's multiple duo/legendary you quality for then the odds are split between the ones you can get
turbid needle
fair
nova shale
If favor and pride are maxed, what are your common/rare/epic odds?
nova shale
At least once you're past the point where you no longer need meta-scaling
opal lodge
true
nova shale
Does it mean that for every 5 meta-scaling rooms you'd encounter 1 of them is turned into a boon room, or is it better than that?
opal lodge
much better
so it says 20% on the tooltip right?
what it does is shift it 20% in both directions
turbid needle
_ _
opal lodge
so 20% more gold laurel rooms and 20% fewer blue laurel rooms
how do you have that message on command LOL
turbid needle
my memory is weird
bc I remembered you talking about it
and I knew I was talking about timing dash afterwards
so I just searched for that
rancid vapor
i have a quick question
with the stygian sword special, can you jump over projectiles or am i just imagining that
limber charm
the crystal beem, hangover zues shield, and some sorta strat with dash attacking, could fend off 3 foes at once
or at least, you can attack 3 different areas simultaneously
royal helm
I don't think that you can special over it...
You don't seem to have any i-frames during a special... it gets canceled frequently if you don't dash cancel the special
So usually you special and dash mid animation
You can "jump over" projectiles though with just a normal dash timed correctly due to some i-frames naturally being in the dash
turbid needle
Yeah, if you dash into projectiles like those purple waves or the exploding stuff against Hades, you don't get hit
royal helm
Something to note though, is you lose said i-frames in dashes for inputs like attacking during the dash
coarse moss
if there was projectile near you the special might destroy it
calm hedge
hello, I'm new here (though I have 150 hours in Hades) :)
wondering if in the community anyone is curating like a list of cool builds?
would be awesome to have a place where people can submit their own builds (aspect, boons, hammers) and other people can rate them or something?
pallid glade
hello, I'm new here (though I have 150 hours in Hades) :)
wondering if in the c...
Since so many things are at least viable, almost anything can qualify as a cool build, so I'm not sure such a thing is doable sensibly.
final sundial
is it good?
I'd say it is
For Chaos aspect i found Zeus special to be pretty good
I suppose that you should go for faster and more powerful charges with the daedalus hammers if possible
but i think most hammer upgrades for the shield are good
final sundial
Alright, gonna try extreme hades again
wish me luck
daaaaamn
i was so close
one of those urns got me smh
edgy ivy
what is the best weapon / aspect im finding myself struggling against the toxic rats in the styx area
final sundial
You gotta watch the ground when fighting the rats
the shield is useful to keep those mofos away from you
but any weapon is good, you just gotta be careful
the poison on the ground is their most dangerous attack
pallid glade
If in doubt, something fast, with Zeus attack, like fists or rail
that tends to clear them out fast
oh, wait, the toxic ones, not the small ones
nvm
edgy ivy
yea the big ones with armor
who just spread poison everyone
everywhere*
they do soooo much dmg to me
pallid glade
hard-hitting ranged, then. Bow 4, Eris Rail
The Broken Spearpoint keepsake helps a lot with poison
it gives you a lot of time to get rid of the poison before it hurts
edgy ivy
i dont have bow 4 yet
actually how do i get the 4th aspect for weapons?
ive been wondering
pallid glade
So for all of them, you'll get a "waking phrase" from some NPC that unlocks them
the first one has to be spear
edgy ivy
oh okay
pallid glade
that'll get you Spear 4, and then you can start unlocking the others
pallid glade
Depends on the weapon
edgy ivy
i will use sword this run
pallid glade
They all unlock slightly differently - Bow requires 5 Titan Blood in it, talking to Artemis with the Bow until she mentions Coronacht, then talking to her again with any weapon, f.ex.
Sword requires talking to Nyx
edgy ivy
in the run? or at the house
pallid glade
At the house
But remember, first you need to unlock the spear
none of the others can happen before then
fair plinth
need some advice on heat progression, what's the easiest heats to take on? right now I can barely clear EM4 hades, I feel that picking up labour/FO/lasting consequences would just make EM4 undoable for me
should I remove EM4 and go for other heat comboes?
pallid glade
I'd remove EM4
FO1 is not too bad and even FO2 is quite doable
Tight Deadline 1 and 2 are also either impossible or totally free, depending on your playstyle
I find the Trap one is mostly free
rare kindle
I don't think the trap one is free
fair plinth
when the jars do 100 damage a pop
rare kindle
Just one mis-step, and you're down 100 health
fair plinth
u scary
sonic mural
its quite literally the hardest 1 heat to put on
pallid glade
🤷♂️ it's the first one I pick and hasn't yet been a problem
sonic mural
can anyone recommend some fun demeter fist builds while i grind to get all 20 heat bounties? kinda getting bored of spamming lightning artemis and ME
river wing
try AP2 😄
without god keepsake. take whatever you get. is fun
if it's the hardest, that's subjective. but it's often a trap for newer players.
they think it won't be impactful. but when hades jar hits you for 150 damage...
rare kindle
It took me ages to complete the harsh condition prophecy because of the heightened security
sonic mural
also during em2 lernie you already lose so much health from lava
icy kernel
is it true that Talos + Poseidon turns you into the Yo-Yo Master
devout ether
Dad's green jars are affected by HS, so they hit for 150...
balmy portal
trap is hard because of hades jars primarily
I almost never take lava damage on em2 lernie; different playstyles
FO is way harder than its 3 heat per tier indicates, imo
FO1 is ~okay for 3 heat, FO2 is very undercosted
Tight Deadline 1 should be pretty free
especially if you pause while considering things
teal juniper
I always take lava damage, it is the bane of my existence
balmy portal
(like which god to talk to)
I also find like, +20% damage from enemies relatively free
stings a bit but not killer
balmy portal
need some advice on heat progression, what's the easiest heats to take on? right...
easiest combo really depends on playstyle and how much heat you're trying to get to
and EM4 gets easier the more you practice it 😄
balmy portal
without god keepsake. take whatever you get. is fun
this with the pom keepsake initially for a bunch of random +levels
hmmmm. I wonder if it would be too strong if Athena's "Restore 1 death defy" added a stubborn defiance if your death defiances were full, or gave you one death defy if you were running stubborn defiance (aka, what you can already do if you suicide before taking it)
maybe she'd set you to 30% health before giving you that death defy though
rare kindle
I don't know about the first one, but no on the second one
pine flax
how do I know which ones can and cannot?
rare kindle
hermes boons can't be pommed
I think the other non pommable boons aren't in a core slot, like strong drink
or have an effect on choosing the boon, like getting nectar
final sundial
How do the charged shot upgrade affects beowulf's cast stuff?
Do the casts shot at the end of the attack or they shot around me?
opal lodge
end of attack
pine flax
if I have triple bomb with eris aspect, does the buff stack?
opal lodge
no
icy kernel
i got something called "cluster bombs", and also "rocket bombs", and this thing called "Heart rend"? is that good?
are high numbers good someone help me
balmy portal
high numbers are terrible
icy kernel
damn ok i should just die on purpose this run isnt going anywhere
woven delta
@icy kernel Cluster Bombs + Rockets is great, but Heart Rend depends on what boons are where
In this case, if you have Aphro on attack and Artemis on special, it gets wild
balmy portal
or aphro dash
icy kernel
In this case, if you have Aphro on attack and Artemis on special, it gets wild
it was that.
the numbers were too high though so i restarted the run
i cant count that high so it made me upset
final sundial
i became invisible and megara walked up to a trap and killed herself 
rocky tulip
lol
lime lynx
If I get a trial of the gods can I not get their duo during either of those boon selection? What about that run? Does a trial create some sort of block on getting a duo of those two gods?
devout ether
You cant get duos period
In the trial I mean
The rest of the game is not affected in any way
lime lynx
Ok ty
mortal prairie
Hey guys, i need a good build for Spear, can someone help me with that?
cosmic hornet
which spear
mortal prairie
The first one, but i need to no what spear is better too... I just have the first for now
cosmic hornet
its hard to tell which spear is the best because they play really differently
for first spear i think its best to go with aphro attack and hope you get zeus and their duo
mortal prairie
Atenas dash is a good one for all builds?
cosmic hornet
but its really up in the air
athena dash is the best, ye
but if you’re confident, artemis dash is great for spear
mortal prairie
I never confident in this game kkkk
smoky sinew
I liked the hidden one because I wasn't losing time to bring my spear back when I was using special it's always based on the playstyle
Athena's dash is always good
mortal prairie
i don't progress in any weapon yet
devout ether
Spear is kind of low damage all around. I'd recommend looking out for Flurry Jab or Serrated Edge hammers
smoky sinew
It's about playing stygius started being my main weapon and now it's my least favourite
You should try a lot of stuff with each weapon your first opinion is gonna change 100% especially with exagryph a lot of people don't like it the first time
Including me
sage carbon
Zag spear is def the worst one
turbid needle
Hidden aspect spear rocks
stone harbor
this channel can have spoilers, feel free to say guan yu
jade rain
how do you guys even get the locked hearts for poseidon and hermes?
been scratching my head for the past couple of hours trying to figure it out
sonic mural
wiki has no spoilers in the "favors" section
jade rain
the favors in the wiki section aint helping
sonic mural
they literally state exactly what to do
jade rain
ya i followed it but it's not unlocking the hearts
jade rain
oh boy
proven osprey
GUAN YU
pliant anvil
Atenas dash is a good one for all builds?
for most builds yes. Anything with sea storm gets more from poseidon dash though usually.
pine flax
good cast for achilles aspect?
tulip blaze
Zeus is real good for room clear
turbid needle
zeus cast has really grown on me lately
pine flax
oop i went with poseidon cast in the end
turbid needle
im stupid enough to fight charon with 61 max hp and a 36 streak on the line
pine flax
will try zeus next
turbid needle
only got hit twice
pine flax
Is there a way to know which god I kicked out of my pool by forcing with keepsake?
turbid needle
u dont kick them out
turbid needle
yes
opal lodge
i think you can get all 8 gods in a run
when im finished doing some heat runs i might try it as a meme family favorite run
tulip blaze
In theory, probably
opal lodge
would probably need fated auth
pine flax
fated auth?
digital tundra
can someone explain what dark foresight does ? it's a green mirror upgrade and it says it buffs chance with gold laurel rewards, what does that mean ?
thorny dirge
you can probably get 5 in tartarus if you get lucky with 4th in shop and 5th on exit in charon room
then force 6-8 with keepsakes
turbid needle
jump to this message banshou
digital tundra
"find them" as in have doors that display them ?
turbid needle
yeah
digital tundra
ok tysm guys
thorny dirge
i should probably give a complete answer on Dark Foresight: default TargetMetaRewardsRatio is 0.45, 0.40, 0.33 for Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium respectively (also 0.33 for Styx but i don't think you can get blue laurel there)
digital tundra
also is the game finished after hades' second phase ?
i just started the game and died to lasers
thorny dirge
Dark Foresight subtracts 0.02 per level on each of these
digital tundra
ok i got it, but i actually need blue laurels right now
so i'll upgrade that later
i should post these questions in #h1-for-new-players
the run i mean
digital tundra
i mean come on, i was outside ffs
i'm not new to rogue likes, but hades is insanely complete
also i can't give hypnos his 7th nectar, there's a lock on his heart ;'(
ok, i don't want to spoil myself by reading the wiki
ty
nova shale
Does achilles' spear have iframes on the rush?
Or can I be hit when flying towards the spear
feral cosmos
What are good gods and boons for the spear?
pine flax
what goes well with eris besides zeus attack?
sonic mural
poseidon dash
devout ether
what goes well with eris besides zeus attack?
Literally anything
turbid needle
Wish there was actually a build pin list for each weapon that seems to synergies well. Just had a run of Demeter attack aphro special on Demeter aspect fists and it didn't work great
devout ether
What heat?
cunning urchin
There's a newbie build guide for the base weapons pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
I never made a more advanced build guide because I think experimentation and discovery is a big part of the game, so I'd rather just have that basic one to get people started and leave it at that.
I also don't know every aspect well enough to make a good guide for what's optimal. There are too many combinations that work well, too.
Heartbreak Flourish on Demeter Aspect should do a lot of work, though. Frost Strike doesn't do too much damage on its own. You'd definitely want Killing Freeze, too.
nova shale
Interesting, hazard bomb is actually good
You can negate the downside by just running to the other side of the map
pseudo stream
what's a good fun shield build for 32 heat?
turbid needle
@nova shale hazard bomb on Eris is kinda bad
nova shale
Doesn't hazard bomb not show up on eris?
nova shale
Can you dash at the right time to block the damage while still getting the buff?
Also the damage is 1% of the damage it deals to enemies
opal lodge
you can but you have to empty dash it
cosmic hornet
@pseudo stream my shield 32 was a beo with aphro cast
pseudo stream
yeah, my Zeus aspect sucks oto much for what I tried 😢
devout ether
Correct
serene quiver
using the adamant rail's daedalus hammer for the 5 bombs and rocket feels like a sin
wheat loom
I’m about to run Achilles spear. I never use the spear. What attack and special boons should I go for
sonic mural
attack artemis, zeus cast
wheat loom
attack artemis, zeus cast
Spec doesn’t matter?
sonic mural
buff only affects attack/cast
zeus cast is great for room clear, attack is good for boss dps
wheat loom
zeus cast is great for room clear, attack is good for boss dps
Ah I always forget to read the descriptions on the right
Thank you!
final sundial
What's the best thing to do when Hades starts to heal? attack him or the urns around?
forest marsh
Depends on if you have the DPS to overcome the healing. I personally just use the opportunity to get in some free hits
weak violet
Charge shot 
Welp, from using Zag fists he basically just gets a chance of an invincibilty frame or something?
nova shale
What weapon would go best with a blade rift cast build?
river wing
achillis
crystal tide
Is artemis the best call?
spiral tree
@final sundial if your build doesn't allow you to kill hades while he's healing it's not a good build lol
art call is not good
nova shale
I think most calls are good
crystal tide
Why is art call not good? Its amazing burst damage
opal lodge
even if you adjust for avg crit damage it works out to be less than the majority of calls
you'd need something to amplify your crit% to match what other calls are doing
and probably try to backstab with it
river wing
all calls are decent tho. it's just nice to have something to compliment your set.
opal lodge
yeah and unlock a number of very useful call related boons (billowing, proud bearing, second wind)
river wing
another problem with artemis is that the non full guage call doesn't do much. meaning it won't do anything in most encounters, and also doesn't work very well with stuff like second wind
turbid needle
wouldn't it work well bc it needs less charge
nova shale
Artemis in general is usually underpowered
turbid needle
no?
nova shale
She needs a boon that increases crit chance effects
Crit is incredibly unreliable and not effective
solid cairn
Artemis in general is usually underpowered
Excuse me
opal lodge
hm
nova shale
Well it is effective, if it's reliable
turbid needle
just get lucky 4head
solid cairn
Artemis is the most dependable god in the game
opal lodge
there is a reason why artemis is in 95% of high dps build
turbid needle
believe in the heart of the cards
opal lodge
when crit is the only source of multiplicative damage you maximize your crit chance as much as you can
turbid needle
if I'm mathing right a 1% crit chance increase is a 3% multiplicative damage increase
nova shale
Yeah I guess
opal lodge
1% crit chance is a +2% effective damage
solid cairn
The only underwhelming thing about Artemis is her cast and call
nova shale
Yeah, the cast and call should have higher crit chances
Maybe the call should straight up have 100% crit chance
Or the call could have 0% crit chance but mark the victim
solid cairn
But with the strongest effective damage special and attack in the game it doesn’t matter
opal lodge
iirc they neutered cast because it just deleted things when the crit chance was higher
solid cairn
Also has really good duos
Mirage shot for casts, heart rend just makes all the crit stuff even better
nova shale
Yeah, I tend to use artemis for the duos
turbid needle
crits r cool https://streamable.com/0ujenv
solid cairn
Artemis used to have mirage shot as just a normal boon
nova shale
In my last run I ran artemis and got the dash solely so I could pick up homing laser crystals
turbid needle
is crit +200% damage or +300% I forget
solid cairn
Oh
nova shale
It makes exit wounds make sense
forest marsh
is crit +200% damage or +300% I forget
+200% (so 3x)
nova shale
Since right now exit wounds is only viable with poseidon aspect or if you get the hermes reload
turbid needle
thx
solid cairn
That is...
turbid needle
so it is a +2% overall
solid cairn
Actually true
solid cairn
For those of you who don’t know Artemis used to have a lot of cast stuff
Mirage shot was formerly dual shot
nova shale
Why were they reworked?
solid cairn
Which was a tier 1 or 2 boon, I can’t remember
And it could be pommed
Potentially getting even stronger than mirage shot
She also had quick reload, which Hermes has now
And the prerequisites for fully loaded included Exit Wounds, Reload, Dual Shot
And unlike now, where the prereqs are exit wounds, pressure points, support fire
If you were running a cast build chances are you wanted at least one of these
And instead of giving 2 casts stones
It gave 3
turbid needle
wow
solid cairn
iirc they neutered cast because it just deleted things when the crit chance was ...
This is why I think
Yeah it was uhh
An interesting time to play
turbid needle
and she's still really good
Lambert plume guide? I have no idea what each room requires to be "fast" and how much I miss it by
there's a timer under the keepsake on the hud
forest marsh
Kind of like when Artemis' dash used to guarantee crit after dashing
turbid needle
Some rooms I feel are normal and I get the bonus other rooms feels fast and I don't.
solid cairn
That was way back
nova shale
I still want ways to make crits less RNG-based
solid cairn
Before I played
turbid needle
its a lil circle that runs down
nova shale
Say, a boon that triples crit chance but reduces the crit bonus
solid cairn
Honestly I have never had an issue with crit rng
Most of the time you attack enough where it evens out
nova shale
Maybe it's just perception and/or using it on slow weapons
turbid needle
crit on slow weapons goes stupid
solid cairn
I use it on the hidden shield which is pretty slow
nova shale
You see it not getting value 80% of the time and see that more than the 20% of the time where it one-shots an enemy
turbid needle
you haven't lived until you've hit 4k arthur swings
I had a 6k hestia crit earlier today
nova shale
6k is like half the final boss's stage health right?
nova shale
Doesn't pressure points depend on rarity?
solid cairn
Pressure points is better than clean kill most of the time
spiral tree
pressure points is amazing IMO
nova shale
At common rarity it's a 6% boost, at epic rarity it's a 12% boots
spiral tree
even at common
solid cairn
Pressure points is basically the only multiplicative damage increase in the game
It makes things crit that can’t normally
That includes your call
solid cairn
Hunter’s mark > PP >>> clean kill
spiral tree
anyone try art flourish on aspect of chaos?
solid cairn
It’s okay
You really can’t go wrong with crit on anything
Except non-Hestia rail attack
turbid needle
arty special on demeter aspect
spiral tree
doom flourish on aspect of chaos is still my #1 build overall
spiral tree
coat whole room in doom and stay safe
solid cairn
When the shields shot in a star pattern
spiral tree
just being able to block in this game is amazing
river wing
Except non-Hestia rail attack
non-lucifer too
turbid needle
bull rush dash attack :D
hollow helm
do you think that using the Chaos Special is good to shotgun bosses?
solid cairn
Yes
turbid needle
it's basically got 85 base damage
turbid needle
idk I don't really like it
river wing
like on furies. your shields will bounce around randomly. and it'll take forever to catch it again
solid cairn
aspect of chaos is the best aspect in hades change my mind
Before 1.0 it was definitely the best
turbid needle
u know what else deletes crowds and keeps me safe
solid cairn
Like by far
river wing
chaos almost feels like a worse zag sometimes
solid cairn
And I think it’s still really good
spiral tree
yeah but shields deflect everything for you while killing everything
solid cairn
chaos almost feels like a worse zag sometimes
I think it’s the other way around
turbid needle
idk something about it feels dinky
solid cairn
It’s really boring
solid cairn
But it makes 40 heat a joke
turbid needle
I love zag shield
turbid needle
put pulverizing blow on that bad boy and ur melting everything
solid cairn
Zag shield is a good time
spiral tree
I'm still in the 20's heat
solid cairn
Chaos is a good heat climber
turbid needle
Arthur is fun to climb with
solid cairn
I’m currently trying Arthur 45
spiral tree
ares flourish on chaos makes me not scared of anything
solid cairn
It’s uhh.. very difficult
solid cairn
I’m using approval process 2
spiral tree
arthur is actually a very fast weapon
river wing
it's fun
solid cairn
Well until you get shield guys with the benefits package that makes them regen damage control hearts
turbid needle
oh I could do td3 with arthur no probpem
solid cairn
Then you are just dead
spiral tree
I feel aph weak reduction+aura is too good
spiral tree
but art attack on arthur is good too
turbid needle
I'm thinking about that numskull room in the 57 heat rama run
frail schooner
abyssal blood on arthur is secretly the move
spiral tree
athena attack on arthur is amazing too
solid cairn
Arthur is god tier on anything below like
35 heat or so
Like
It is the easiest 32 heat in the game
Arguably
frail schooner
i would prefer if abyssal blood worked like chill instead of numbing sensation
turbid needle
I did erith 32 first try
spiral tree
aph or art @solid cairn
river wing
😐 range is always going to be easier to 32
solid cairn
Preference
turbid needle
tbf I got cluster rockets but ya know
solid cairn
But I like big numbers
river wing
idk about preference for this one.
spiral tree
aph also gives highest attack %
solid cairn
So arty
river wing
oh wait you wasn't replying to me
spiral tree
is zeus the best attack for eris?
river wing
yes. zeus is the best attack
turbid needle
I like both
solid cairn
Sometimes I just don’t want to scrounge around the room for casts
turbid needle
if I get dio cast while I'm running the other one I get a lil sad though
greater recall slaps esp with stuff like hunting blades
solid cairn
Dio infernal is doable if you stagger the casts so you have one ready at all times
turbid needle
I love ravenous will bc it makes me not have to think about managing bloodstones
just start blasting as soon as u can
solid cairn
Ravenous will is amazing on hera and Beowulf because if you load all the casts it counts as you not having any
solid cairn
Even on a non-cast weapon if you have Stygian soul you can throw it out for the damage
turbid needle
+50% dmg to enemies with cast in them is such a smart mechanic
spiral tree
yeah
the whole cast thing is a new thing to me in a game
at least the way it was implemented
I know its from pyre but what other games have such a mechanic n focus on it like hades?
it's soo much better than a simple debuff spell like in other games
wheat loom
Chaos shield: what boons am I takin folks?
icy kernel
Chaos shield: what boons am I takin folks?
zeus special if you can get it
spiral tree
ares @wheat loom
river wing
anything works on chaos
spiral tree
@wheat loom yeah anything but personally ares special works best IMO
wheat loom
I like to use the discord as a dice roll
spiral tree
dread flight good or bad?
icy kernel
I'm a Zeus Chaos guy
spiral tree
saw some video saying it sucks
river wing
just run with AP2, no god keepsakes if you want to diceroll 🙂
turbid needle
I am a zeus aspect person
wheat loom
A bolt boi
river wing
dread flight can be good.
spiral tree
using my beloved chaos+ares build
dred light empowering flight or dashing wallop?
which one?
they all suck
at least I already got explosize return
river wing
depends what your build is? what shield are you using?
spiral tree
chaos ares
turbid needle
dread flight does not sound fun
considering you're helpless while ur shield is gone
turbid needle
Dashing Flight and Explosive Return are the big ones
First one because it returns your shield faster, second one because it's basically adding a sword special to your shield special when you recatch the shield
spiral tree
dashign flight?
whats that again?
the power shot one is better than dashing flight IMO
the one that turns bull rush into 80 damage shot
turbid needle
Whenever you use the special while dashing, it travels faster and deals more damage
spiral tree
oh that
turbid needle
Charged Shot, the one you mentionned, is just fantastic in general
spiral tree
yeah that makes the shields go faster n further (farther?)
turbid needle
Big damage
spiral tree
besides just being safe n hig hdamage what I really love about this build is how simple n easy it is
river wing
dreadflight increases shield speed by 20%. it's pretty nice with ares.
spiral tree
dont need ANYTHING else
just ares keepsake to get curse of pain and thats it
if I get legendary or duos cool
but not needed
I know the RNG is a big appeal of the game but I hate not being able to get a build due to RNG
if a build needs some boon you are not guaranteed to get is it really that good a build? lol
turbid needle
Depends on the build
smoky sinew
No you are wrong if you check other roguelikes you'll understand that hades rng is fine
turbid needle
Some are absolutely game-breaking
Others, not as much
And Hades RNG is about on par, if not tame, compared to other Roguelikes/Roguelites
The mirror is VERY strong, and let's you be super consistent
I love charged shot
spiral tree
10% legendary/duo chance is ALWAYS ON
river wing
If you ever get the chance, try dread flight + dashing flight + Hermes special common.
The throw moves so fast, lol.
turbid needle
this shield empty YEET
balmy portal
The massive rng for builds are ones that need a specific hammer
For god boons you can pretty reliably make combos barring ones that need three specific gods highly invested in or things like that
opal lodge
poseidon
hardy escarp
good to know
cloud vault
Is it tho
Hunter dash on some aspects is better
Probably a case to be made for Zeus dash too if you invest enough boons
opal lodge
they asked in terms of damage. i took that to mean base
if you have thunder dash double strike and splitting bolt theres a good chance zeus deals more damage
opal lodge
sure
cloud vault
It would mean hunter dash does 0 damage because it only activates as part of a dash attack right
opal lodge
well you calculate it as a +% of the dash attack
wouldn't you?
so an epic hunter dash on base zag sword amplifies it by 21 damage base
cloud vault
But on hestia tho
opal lodge
sure
cosmic hornet
if we're stacking conditions i think poseidon will still win out
because splitting bolt seastorm
opal lodge
depends on what you want to do too
cloud vault
But then you need 2 gods worth of boons
opal lodge
if you're trying to go fast, fwiw most hestia runners start tidal dash
cloud vault
I thought it was 1 God dash
opal lodge
didnt you say earlier that zeus with more boons would win out?
look i'm not saying tidal dash is the best dash no matter the situation
but that's not what they asked either
cloud vault
Zeus with Zeus boons
Not Zeus with Zeus and Poseidon
If you're going for duos then sure tidal dash with sea storm and all the Zeus stuff and typhoon is going to out damage it by a lot
opal lodge
it doesnt need sea storm
breaking wave + typhoon's fury + wave pounding are fantastic boons in and of themselves
but that's completely unrelated
they asked for highest damage dash
poseidon is the highest flat damage dash
cloud vault
Except for hunter dash on some aspects
Maybe bow with hunter dash power shot? Hestia for surr
proven osprey
Spear bad
cloud vault
Serrated point hunter dash yeah that's good
royal helm
It probably has the internal cooldown of bolts, but I'm not really sure
weak violet
Y’all now a build for Rama?
hollow helm
Arty on Attack and maybe Dash, Aphro on Special, go for Heart Rend
or the Rama Special build of Zeus Special then just go full-on Zeus
cloud vault
I like Dio special, art attack or aphro attack
I mean they're all good depends on heat
I get dio because I do DC2 with Rama
weak violet
Hm, well if i were to go for a heart rend build, wouldn’t i go for stuff like twin shot and point blank?
hollow helm
Triple and Point Blank works if you want to shotgun
weak violet
Wait, does flurry shot work on Rama?
cosmic hornet
never seen it offered so i'm guessing no
languid dagger
So, does Parting Shot backstab bonus only boost cast damage? Or is it a global boost?
olive spruce
AFAIK it's a global boost
your cast cannot backstab without parting shot
but after you get the boon all backstabs get the extra damage
turbid needle
Global boost + Casts can now Backstab.
versed spoke
Even with not so good boons, I can get a good run with all weapons, except the spear. Its safe to say the spear is the worst weapon.
sonic juniper
I want to like the spear but it has basically 3-4 playstyles and you don't always get what you want
unreal steppe
Hello everyone. Does anyone have tips on the Aspect of Hestia/Shackle build? I have experimented a few different ways, but I have been struggling a ton with EM4 Hades.
olive spruce
you mean a boonless build?
I'm curious what a good build for Hestia is
seems like aphro attack would be good
or artemis
turbid needle
The people who are going to have the most experience with that will likely be hanging out in #h1-high-heat-strategies .
cloud vault
Spear doesn't suck, you're just not using it well.
Hades Spear has a 150% global damage boost to everything you tag with the spin
cloud vault
That's most of your damage anyway
Achilles has the same for 4 casts or attacks in a row every time you special
So say you're doing what you should which is crush shot
You one-shot almost anything
I won't shill for GY because eh, but it can do work
turbid needle
See, the spear is the best weapon for me. I love builds that allow you to deflect a lot, and the spear is the only one that I've found divine strike really works on. Spin attack is also just great, I love to use it so much
I'm finding other weapons easier right now only because I'm playing them on lower heat to get bounties
smoky oasis
I usually get artemis on spear special, the back stab crit is really sick
with ricochet hammer upgrade u just throw spears blindly at the pillars and everything just die
mortal prairie
Guys
i have a doubt
we can unlock all aspects of all weapons? or we need choose what we want to focus?
Because Meg stop drop me ctonic blood...
turbid needle
You will have more ways to get titan blood (other than trading) after beating the game once
I can't remember if prophecies show up before the first clear but those give a lot as well
versed spoke
The most fun I had was using zagreous sword aspect, with the one that lets you hold attack button down and never stop attacking with the hammer that lets you heal.
turbid needle
So yes, at the start you should be careful what to spend it on
versed spoke
its basically cheating
that and the fists are fun as hell
Now the shields. I'll always have a soft spot for them, since its how I learned the game, but fighting kinda feels slow with the shields.
I've just been playing the game non stop since I bought it and I want it to be fun again.
I'm starting to see why people buy games on pc. You don't have to jailbreak a pc, you can mod it outright.
versed spoke
the thing about the randomness with the builds, is that I've seen the hammer upgrades that I like, and it sucks when I don't get them.
cunning urchin
Well, gotta learn how to make the most of what you get.
versed spoke
also, when hermes gives me the +1 dash, I'm like "why you mad at me bro"
cunning urchin
If you can get the same hammer upgrades every run, the game would get a lot more boring very fast. 
mortal prairie
I can't remember if prophecies show up before the first clear but those give a l...
Yeah, i did kill hades yet but i already have the prophecies unlocked
I already spend all my titan blood to unlock 1 aspect of each weapon xD
versed spoke
question:
can you use the coin thing, to change the rewards in the next chamber into a hammer?
mortal prairie
I almost kill Hades 2 times with the same build of the Cannon... The build of special attack +300% with athenas dash and Attack without reload
versed spoke
I almost kill Hades 2 times with the same build of the Cannon... The build of sp...
First time I killed hades was with the Chaos Shield aspect, but any shield will do
turbid needle
oh, you have to clear completely with a weapon to refresh rewards
then you go up to the next heat level (or higher) to claim rewards again
and so on
coarse moss
question:
can you use the coin thing, to change the rewards in the next chamber...
you can get hammer when rolling the door reward, if it's a gold laurel
blue laurel will only roll darkness, gems, nectar
mortal prairie
First time I killed hades was with the Chaos Shield aspect, but any shield will ...
i Will try the Shield, i like a lot of the Second Glove too... The Special attack make you so fast!
coarse moss
if you use Dark Foresight on the mirror, you will get more gold laurel and less blue laurel
mortal prairie
if you use Dark Foresight on the mirror, you will get more gold laurel and less ...
I will note this tip for when i kill hades for my first time xD
versed spoke
if you use Dark Foresight on the mirror, you will get more gold laurel and less ...
that's the upgrade that lets me get +20% hammers and other rewards right?
coarse moss
yup. gold laurel are hammer, gold, and all boons
versed spoke
yup. gold laurel are hammer, gold, and all boons
thank you, you just made my day
mortal prairie
hammers is the best thing you wanna find
mortal prairie
so strong the changes you can make on cannon for example
mortal prairie
The +300% on special attack of cannon is hit kill in almost every mob
mortal prairie
the one where you don't have to reload is ridiculous
INSANE
solid cairn
another 46 hestia attempt killed by the blue heart benefits package
versed spoke
those blue hearst don't mix well with hestia
mortal prairie
the one where you don't have to reload is ridiculous
That build with critical and fast attack is absurd, almost a abomination
you melt the mobs so fast...
versed spoke
Maybe the sword and rail gun have the most op hammer boons
versed spoke
gloves is the only weapon that elevates my heart rate, punch punch punch, love it
coarse moss
normal attack on sword and glove are fast but low damage. usually, zeus boon do more damage on them rather than critical. rail attack + zeus lightning is more than double the damage, every hit (unlike crit with 15% chance)
versed spoke
normal attack on sword and glove are fast but low damage. usually, zeus boon do ...
this
I love getting the no reload hammer + zeus attack
coarse moss
then if you upgrade your zeus to do Jolted, even higher
versed spoke
if you use Dark Foresight on the mirror, you will get more gold laurel and less ...
is there any other buff that lets me get more gold laurel?
coarse moss
no but with dark foresight it is very high
versed spoke
can one get like 4 hammers on a single run? maybe 5 hammers? I've only ever gotten like 3 I believe
coarse moss
2 is max
versed spoke
Hmmm.
turbid needle
you can get 3 only with anvil
coarse moss
pretty high chance to find hammer early, and hammer stop appearing after you find 2
versed spoke
that makes sense, I thought I was crazy when I said I had 3
Hermes only ever gives you up to a +3 (epic) dash right? He doesn't have a heroic +4 or legendary +5 dash right?
final sundial
imagine dashing 8 times in a row
versed spoke
I love imagining it.
coarse moss
hidden fist aspect gives lots of dash
final sundial
it just does
coarse moss
by just wearing it
final sundial
it's one of it's abilities
versed spoke
oh. my. god
final sundial
i think it was +3 dashes? or just +2?
versed spoke
its time for me to go invest some titans blood
final sundial
thing is, it gave you extra dashes
coarse moss
best fist imo
with the maim, just tag those witches and eyeballs then move on to next target
versed spoke
any other weapon that has hidden buffs that aren't specified within the weapons description?
coarse moss
one thats not obvious is probably aspect of zeus shield. the special apply low damage hits quickly. if you have zeus special on it, thunderbolt hits enemies 3 times per second. it melts things
aspect of arthur slows enemies. put Chill on it, and see every boss stand still while you backstab them
versed spoke
is it better to chill the special or the attack in your opinion? @coarse moss
or the dash
when using arthur
coarse moss
special, the attack can have something more powerful. aphrodite or artemis works. aprhodite makes you tankier with the aura
if you get chill on cast that works too
versed spoke
I mean. Can I get 2 hamers in a single floor?
coarse moss
1 in each biome. maybe can get 2 in elysium if you didnt have max
pallid glade
No, you get one in Tartarus or Asphodel and then one in Elysium
versed spoke
Ok. Good to know.
pallid glade
If you don't have two in Styx, iirc, you'll get a hammer rather than the anvil
solid cairn
yes actually
I have gotten 2 hammers in elysium
iirc
but only if I didn't have one beforehand
solid cairn
I wouldn't reroll for hammers, the game will try its absolute hardest to put them as a reward in like every elysium room so
coarse moss
migt be worth trying for it in asphodel
versed spoke
I wouldn't reroll for hammers, the game will try its absolute hardest to put the...
I've noticed this. Wether you use dark foresight or not, you'll always have 2 hammers by elysium
versed spoke
spits on hammer
devout ether
Even if you somehow make it to Styx with a single hammer, you're almost assured one of the Styx rooms to be the second one
cunning urchin
If you don't have two in Styx, iirc, you'll get a hammer rather than the anvil
You can see the Anvil even if you have no hammers at all.
You also can't buy it if you have no hammer.
versed spoke
I always purge all my boons except for 2 of them, so that the singing tree woman can upgrade my dash rarity
turbid needle
Oh I wouldnt suggest that
versed spoke
but i need moar dash
turbid needle
What if you get some really good ones! Also it gives you the chance for some great duos
versed spoke
no. Dash.
turbid needle
What about dodge... I'd love to have demeters thing on that
versed spoke
Oh yeah. The one were demeter keeps upgrading the rarity.
turbid needle
That's a great one
versed spoke
Btw. When and how does dodge happen? It doesn't have an animation does it, it just happens completely passively?
forest marsh
There's an animation and a text indicator
turbid needle
It comes up with a little "dodged" just like it does when it says "near miss" or "backstab" or something
versed spoke
Dash > everything.
turbid needle
I always take pom porridge
pliant anvil
If I don't have my duo yet, I take the increased rarity for future boons one
otherwise I usually like to gamble with the rarity upgrade one
turbid needle
if I only have core boons I take the rarity upgrade
dark raft
Hm, how do you make the gun viable?
i feel like its damage is lower than other weapons, plus its reload takes time.
solid cairn
it is way more than viable
dark raft
I got a hammer that made it launch rockets, that was a fun run
tulip zealot
hey which aspect do u use for the sword?
turbid needle
all
solid cairn
depends
dark raft
got killed because the missiles didnt let me see though
solid cairn
on all rails besides hestia aspect zeus is a good pick
because it attacks so fast the flat damage is amazing
versed spoke
i use zagreus aspect just in case I get the cursed slash ammer, so I can heal quicker
turbid needle
- use eris aspect
- cover yourself in oil
- get zeus attack
- win
solid cairn
and on eris rail you can even boost the flat damage with the special
dark raft
Guess im gonna have to play to unlock the aspects then, im using the raw weapons so far.
solid cairn
eris is arguably the best aspect in the game
hestia is pretty nice too
zag rail is fine
for a zeus attack build
but eris kind of outclasses it
as for the reload, you can use your special while reloading
and reloading manually is faster than shooting after it runs out of ammo and waiting for the automatic reload
solid cairn
also this is kind of the golden rule of this game in general but you should be constantly dashing
dark raft
Yeah i know, got 15 hrs already, its just that i unlocked everything on the mirror first.
Only that my fingers get tired but 🤷♂️
The gun and the gauntlets feel odd when i compared to the shield and lance.
But its going to be cool to throw grenades while i reload.
solid cairn
fists are pretty similar to the rail but also the sword
zeus attack is also good on them
dark raft
heard the fists are meant to make you dash and backstab non stop.
solid cairn
on fists you kind of just hold attack and then dash
turbid needle
fists u can pretty much hold attack yeah
coarse moss
i use ps4 controller, set attack and special on R1 and R2. cuz i cant dash nonstop if my thumb is on attacking
devout ether
The gun and the gauntlets feel odd when i compared to the shield and lance.
Weapons that have weak, fast attacks benefit less from boons that give percentage increase to attack. A +50% attack boon on Rail is only five extra damage, but Zeus lightning deals 10, which is already a 100% increase.
solid cairn
^
devout ether
They are also great for stacking Hangover/Chill, and are quite good at stacking Doom provided you get the support boon
coarse moss
stack chill and they cant escape your special
dark raft
Hm, never found ares interesting tbh, but thats a valid point.
coarse moss
doom good for hit and run. promotes safety, which might get you through an otherwise lost run. some of my earliest clears was thanks to hit and run 😆
stone harbor
is it just me who never gets fully laoded or is the chance lower than for other legendaries?
devout ether
Just to be sure, are you certain you meet the requirements?
versed spoke
I've re-rolled several boons more than once and I've noticed that after the first reroll, all it does is rearrange all the same boons, but no new boons appear.
So, there are only like 6 boons total. Meaning that its only worth rerolling once or so, maybe twice.
what's the best god for gilgamesh aspect?
stone harbor
idk I just used it for splash dash because of the free dashes before
versed spoke
i was thinking someting for dash as well, dash is the coolest part of gilgamesh
stone harbor
can you scale athena dash damage enough to have reasonable damage? prohably not, right?
forest marsh
Eh, not really
stone harbor
ares for special seems like the most obvious choice other than that
balmy portal
I got a hammer that made it launch rockets, that was a fun run
next step after the hammer that makes it shoot rockets: The hammer that makes it shoot five rockets.
stone harbor
not sure if it is actually good
stone harbor
just press the kill button lol
forest marsh
Cluster Rockets is the dream, but yes, the visual noise can be a lot
balmy portal
and then run for your life if needed ^^;
stone harbor
btw when I block the green skulls that give boiling blood in the hades fight with the shield, no yellow skull appears, but it does if I deflect it. That can't be intended, right?
I used gilgamsh, no idea if having another aspect affects iut
balmy portal
it usually flies off elsewhere and then turns into a yellow skull
stone harbor
isn't that only the case for deflecting(with athena stuff)? when blocking a projectile, it ususally disappears, so there should be a yellow skull on top of zagreus, no?
balmy portal
ooh
I see what you mean
yeah maybe blocks just destroy them; I almost never block so...
stone harbor
yeah, same. It just happens automatically with gilgamesh when you charge your rush
balmy portal
now add poseidon dash and water eruptions from wall impacts >.>
versed spoke
thanks for believing in me my good shade
final sundial
which are considered the best calls?
stone harbor
artemis has ridicoulus damage at full gauge
opal lodge
its not really that much adjusted for average crit unless youre backstabbing
forest marsh
If you get lucky with Artemis call, you can completely delete Hades' second half of health bar in phase 2, which is very satisfying
turbid needle
Heartbreak Flourish in the shop and Heart Rend in the miniboss that follows. Thank you, Tartarus.
dark raft
Wow, got a second clear with the cluster bombs
cluster bombs, zeus lightning for attack and special, plus demeter laser cast which i love for some reason
got the aspects too, which one to unlock first.
turbid needle
Pick what sounds/looks interesting.
pliant anvil
got the aspects too, which one to unlock first.
for the rail? The best is eris, but hestia and ||lucifier|| are both fun too imo
turbid needle
hestia is my favorite rail aspect by quite a bit
the only problem is that I usually miss the first shot after reloading
opal quarry
my only clear so far was with the zeus/artemis call boon where your uncollected calls zap everything around them with lighting -- dont even remember what my actual call was but i just kept shooting them at hades, even if you miss doesn't matter just kite around and let the uncollected calls zap him down
also had athena deflect dash which helped survivability throughout the run
but now im worried im too trash to win with anything else that duo boon was so OP
smoky sinew
It's ok just practice. And try taking athena's dash
dark raft
idk half your dps comes from the combo of boons you got.
I dont see myself finishing the game with a clean character, just keep practicing and learn the enemy's moves.
smoky oasis
Is full ||Hydra|| skip still possible?
forest marsh
No
final sundial
the fact that there was an hydra skip means that bosses didn't became impervious in previous updates?
gloomy zenith
good boons for arthur?
unkempt pagoda
the fact that there was an hydra skip means that bosses didn't became impervious...
no, bosses have had impervious phases for a long time. how old hydra skip worked was that if you did a lot of damage within the first few seconds of the fight (usually a combination of battie + some high DPS), you would be able to bypass the first impervious shield. and since that first shield didn't pop, the other shields never did either
as for why it was patched out: #ask-supergiant message
rocky iris
Any advice for cast runs with FO2? Cast animation is slow enough I get hit too often. And I'm using aphro cast so it's basically a very slow melee weapon
devout ether
Yeah, don't run FO2
turbid needle
lmao
rocky iris
Lol. Still trying to get 32 heat on sword and I'm garbage with everything, but slightly less so with poseidon aspect
devout ether
There is absolutely no reason you should be running FO2 at 32 heat
turbid needle
^
rocky iris
Really??? I've been doing it for all my other 32 heat runs. It's 3 heat. Substituting that with hl, lc, or the gold one seems like it would be harder no?
forest marsh
Though regarding cast animation, if you dash immediately after casting it does cancel the animation so that may help you
rocky iris
Though regarding cast animation, if you dash immediately after casting it does c...
Whoa. Possible game changer there. RIP my hypersprint rush delivery cast though
rocky iris
FO2 is one of the hardest pacts period
Are we talking about the same thing? It's just making enemies slightly faster right? Compared to +60% damage, that seems a lot easier
Especially when 3rd boss and final boss hit so hard already
Going from nothing to FO1 was tremendously difficult for me, but 1 to 2 didn't seem like a huge difference..
gloomy zenith
can you get duos in the double god rooms? not of the two gods fighting, but other ones?
devout ether
Are we talking about the same thing? It's just making enemies slightly faster ri...
If it's so easy why do you think it's giving you trouble?
rocky iris
Because the cast animation is too slow. Other builds are pretty fine
devout ether
It doesnt matter how much more damage things do if they're too slow to hit you anyways
turbid needle
wym celluloid
devout ether
can you get duos in the double god rooms? not of the two gods fighting, but othe...
No duos at all in trial of the gods
opal lodge
you cant get duos period in trials
gloomy zenith
i have a dio/aries room ahead of me and i want merciful end
turbid needle
you can't get duos in trial of the gods, idk about any other double god rooms
oh I misread
rocky iris
It doesnt matter how much more damage things do if they're too slow to hit you a...
It's not such a huge difference that I'm running circles around bosses on FO1 though. Like i get hit about the same number of times since it's less about reflexes and more about pattern memorization for bosses
turbid needle
this is what made me decide I would stop trying to use fo2 https://streamable.com/r0jix2
rocky iris
Lol tbh I'm more impressed you managed to outrun him that long
devout ether
It's not such a huge difference that I'm running circles around bosses on FO1 th...
Well, feel free to bang your head against FO2 while wondering why you're losing
rocky iris
That's not very nice. The other person gave me good advice which is all I was looking for.
gloomy zenith
yeah chill
turbid needle
if i was gonna do 32 heat w sword this is what id run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/787844178704728084/unknown.png
rocky iris
Isn't routine inspection really hard? I've never used it except for the fate thing
turbid needle
not the first one
forest marsh
Depends how many levels you put in it
turbid needle
i didnt really notice a difference
devout ether
I still wouldnt put RI on under 40 heat
turbid needle
RI3 is where it starts to get ridiculous
rocky iris
Huh. I might swap that in for FO2 then. Interesting
turbid needle
u just lose rerolls and boon rarity chance
rocky iris
Which I guess aren't as important since it's EM3
turbid needle
em3 is pretty much free heat
rocky iris
Is it weird that EM furies terrify me lol
turbid needle
u just gotta fight them more
forest marsh
Yeah, you'll get used to them after a while
rocky iris
200+ runs with em1+, and I still clench when I see Alecto or meg
I always run FO2 though lol which may explain it
forest marsh
Yeah, that certainly doesn't help
rocky iris
She got leapfrogged by EM Meg for me because meg just constantly attacks and I have barely any time to get her back without facetanking. (Melee weapons)
rocky iris
Weird question: there's a YouTuber called haelian who hides in the right side corner near the water during the "C" attack in EM4 final boss fight.
For some reason I always get hit if I do the same. Do y'all know if that's a difference in rng because I'm playing on switch? Is there supposed to be a safe spot? If not, how are you supposed to dodge?
proven osprey
You can i-frame it
I thought the bottom right was a safe spot but it's not
I don't think there's one
rocky iris
Ah that's how you're supposed to do it? Tricky. I need to practice that because I can't dodge it consistently
proven osprey
Afaik C damage is instant as you see the red circle
Yeah it's hard really
Not an EM4 pro tho
But right side seems ok like 1/2 times
rocky iris
I wonder if it's a bug or something because he always goes to the same spot and there's no damage.
proven osprey
And if it's not I just dash/call
rocky iris
Yeah athena call is an athena-send
devout ether
I've only ever been hit once by hiding there
rocky iris
PC or switch?
devout ether
Which surprised me, I was convinced it was a safe spot!
devout ether
Yeah, but knowing that now I pretty much never get hit anyways