deflect isn't as good as iframes
#h1-builds-and-combat
river wing
pseudo stream
Deflect... is iframes, no?
river wing
no. not everything can be deflected
pseudo stream
But do you get damaged through it? Huh
river wing
yes. one example, hades spin
civic barn
it's not athena dash because i actually stopped relying on it a few patches ago
and even when i switched to it to test things out i'm still getting hit by stuff i didn't used to get hit by so i'm really not sure
don't think it's my old people reflexes being even worse either because i play regularly on max forced overtime
and even on lower speeds there are things where i used to be able to just dash through instead of away where I'm not able to right now
if that makes any sense
like one example i can think of immediately is dashing straight at asterius when he's charging; i used to have no problems with it but for i want to say, once out of three times i still get hit by it
so i have had to change to actually use the pillars and stuff
they're all pretty annoying though, right? the only one that's sort of not a pain are the falling cyclops heads because they don't spread their ring all the way
i'm so glad they don't
spiral tree
ehh knights n the pink soul catcher thing is fine by me
it's really just the laser crystal mom and teleporting backstabbing enemy that take forever to kill
civic barn
anyhow, guess i should keep investigating; thanks for the input
azure walrus
Dude. I'm having the silliest build right now.
Exagryph Lucifer Aspect. Triple Bomb. Ares Special. Athena Attack. Duo for doom detonation on reflect.
Boss HP absolutely disappears
deep salmon
nvm
manic spear
Exagryph shotgun is insanely strong (the short range aoe attack daedalus boon)
placid tundra
I tried out Dark Regeneration over Chthonic Vitality after seeing it recommended in a video (being still relatively new to the game), and I really enjoy it
The large amount of health gained from bosses easily offsets the less frequent regeneration, and it scales well with at least one Chaos and Poseidon boon (as well as that one 20% increase from a random weapon)
manic spear
Agree fully Nerdy, i find it hard to want to use vitality over Dark Regeneration
rare kindle
I use vitality because of the healing of styx
manic spear
Styx encounters do be really good, especially with Mom's artifact
free, fast levels
Or any encounter based boons lol.
azure walrus
Repeatedly detonating this doom off the bombs is just SO MUCH DAMAGE
cloud vault
Yeah I had that build once. It's silly
opal lodge
the main thing chthonic vitality is useful for is if you're trying to go fast or running high confidence
dark regen is better for survival/farming
opal lodge
copied?
fleet pollen
When you apply damage to all enemies while hitting one
I had Ares and I didn't transfer the attack status effect
cosmic hornet
it doesn't
fleet pollen
But it did trigger poseidon's knock back
cosmic hornet
it only transfers 60% of on hit damage
huh
that's a funny interaction
but afaik its not supposed to transfer curses
fleet pollen
Going expirement with deflect and criticals
cosmic hornet
for crits the damage transferred is 60% of the critted damage
fleet pollen
So it transfer effect based boons and not cursed based
cosmic hornet
for crits its easy to understand
since it transfers 60% of the damage shown (i.e attack modified by crit, boiling blood, backstab etc)
poseidon i'm guessing the knockback is coded as on hit interaction somehow
i doubt athena would work since it requires interaction between two hitboxes
but
i am curious if it causes exposed somehow
deep salmon
does double strike work on beo cast zeus?
stark ore
Thunder Flare is a bolt instead of chain-lightning so yes
deep salmon
nice
turbid needle
@opal lodge chthonic vitality is a lot of healing in styx, dark regeneration is zero healing in styx
fleet pollen
Lightning Rama is fun
opal lodge
i guess if you need it in styx yeah
solid grail
Could anyone please recommend some ways to build Aspect of Gilgamesh?
fleet pollen
Gilgamesh
Good build is sturdy fist hammer, plus Ares special and main Athena aim for the Athena procs ares duo boon
solid grail
Thanks. I will have to give that a try
coarse moss
the jerky buff says "Your Attack deals +60% damage." . does dash-strike count?
woven delta
If it says just Attack, it should also buff dash-strike as well
If it specifies just Dash Strike, it'll only be for that
coarse moss
i see, thank you
guan yu run with hammer 300% dash-strike and heart rend feeling so op
royal helm
Has anyone noticed Gilgamesh maim only doing 300? Instead of 400?
heady peak
Is the damage boost from privileged status (40%) multiplicative?
turbid needle
additive
heady peak
Thanks!
turbid needle
np
river wing
Yes. 300
royal helm
patch borked it?
river wing
There's a bug i think. A 0.75 multipliern on it
No. Has been like this for some time
The 0.75 multiplier is something to do with attemping to ensure maim isnt boosted by itself
forest marsh
They are aware and working on it (RE: Maim damage) https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520430049003044864/786197113213550602
deep salmon
does twin shot hit the same enemy twice on rama
turbid needle
ye
opal lodge
most noticeable with armored enemies and DC enemies
turbid needle
love double edge on arthur shredding the lil pot guys
fleet pollen
Rush kick with tempest flourish and sea storm is awesome
forest marsh
I would say Hades but some might say I'm biased
deep salmon
i'm still confused as to how dire misfortune works
i'm not sure if it increments per doom application or per doom hits
opal lodge
per doom application
most obvious with lucifer doom attack
not saying anyone should do that
cosmic hornet
does lucifer apply doom per tick or just first hit for some reason?
if it works per tick i'm adding eternal chamber ME lucifer to my list of dumb builds to test if i'm terribly bored
turbid needle
I had demeters winter chill boon that shatters at 10% and it works on hades and I even got a "reap what you sow!" Taunt from Demeter when he died. It was awesome.
dry ember
most obvious with lucifer doom attack
Sounds good thanks for the idea.
opal lodge
doom per tick
ive done eternal chamber ME
it's not good but you see big numbers with dire misfortune + impending doom stacking
coarse moss
wow just discovered Arthur special + chill makes any boss easy mode
deep salmon
oh btw
does curse of longing's doom damage incremental or is it just really 50% of it
pallid glade
Piercing Volley won't really do anything for you. Concentrated isn't bad and neither is Chain Shot - though Chain Shot on Chiron can be annoying since it'll apply the lock to the last enemy it hits.
Makes it a bit hard to target properly.
So out of those three, on Chiron, I'd say concentrated.
Curse of Longing reduces the damage of each hit, but hits multiple times - iirc at least 3 times with the default length of Weak.
pallid glade
I've not mathed it out.
Probably not unless you can also make Weak last long enough.
Since it'll take longer to proc all the hits and it needs the multi-hits.
On bosses it should work.
cosmic hornet
i don't think curse of longing is ever worth it
if you can make use of dire misfortune then you can easily reapply doom
ME aside, which one is better on zeus shield, zeus or ares?
or is artemis the way to go
fleet pollen
It's worth it in one scenario
When your running the Athena duo and can cancel it immediately
ruby aspen
Any good build for Hades's spear?
cosmic hornet
artemis attack
cosmic hornet
if you somehow got first room first hammer explosive special you can go aphro attack artemis special
proven osprey
don't focus on spin hammers tho
it's more a crutch than anything, won't help you playing your aspect better
they're not bad ofc but you don't need em
ruby aspen
the spear seems so dependent on getting a good hammer compared to other weapons
proven osprey
in general yeah
Hades would be the exception
and the thing is spear has many bad hammers
ruby aspen
i can't find a really good, overpowered build with the spear compared to how easy it is to build a super strong build with the others weapons... (i know about cast build with achilles but i'd rather use poseidon sword)
proven osprey
Zag spear is all about Lightning strike and flurry jab
Achilles is really good with cast but can be played like Zag
Hades is really good and consistent since you need deadly strike and you're set
Guan Yu needs serrated point (dangerous at high heat but powerful) or charged skewer (amazing)
GY can also go spin with quick spin
quite powerful
proven osprey
exploding launcher and serrated point are really good for Hades btw
surreal bolt
Divine Protection (Athena legendary) or Calculated Risk (Athena Dio duo)?
errant narwhal
divine protection, imo
surreal bolt
Assuming you are valid for them, does anyone know the rarity for duo boons vs legendary boons? Or even the normal rate for common rare epic boons
Also is Aphrodite just a better artemis for dps + bonus status effect?
cunning urchin
Duo Boons and Legendary boons have the same chance of appearing.
Lady Aphrodite offers more damage as well as better pom and rarity scaling out of the gate. Lady Artemis offers more damage once t2 crit boons and additional damage bonuses come into play.
surreal bolt
Alright, thank you for the information!
pallid glade
And they combo nicely, due to Heart Rend
turbid needle
what's a fun (not necessarily optimal) arthur build
calm bluff
stack DR from aphrodite, athena and dionysus
laugh in your zone that things struggle to do damage to you
cunning urchin
That is kinda optimal too lol.
Well, I think you'll get more out of Lady Aphrodite, Lady Athena, and Lord Zeus because you can get Smoldering Air and Second Wind that way. That's 30% Dodge chance.
That's more eHP than what Lord Dionysus can offer you.
heady peak
Dio brings the Juice, poms if you have the upgrade, I believe Dio is good for Arthur.
finite siren
can anyone tell me what Doom is good on
like I feel like almost all other gods outclass Ares
left flower
can anyone tell me what Doom is good on
Almost everything. Lol. IMO Ares is incredible. He also has some great duo boons.
finite siren
well make up your mind then, i thought artemis was the best, then yall said aphrodite was the best, now ares is supposed to be incredible ?
i dont get that
idle grove
Does the charged skewer damage boost on spear's special also applies to the return? If it does, combining it with vicious skewer might be very strong and fun on a crit build
pallid glade
Most of the Gods have a bunch of good builds
Aphro has the best +%, which makes her really strong on anything that can utilize that, and combos well with Ares and Artemis f.ex.
Arty can get the highest damage with her crits, so if you can build to make use of that, it slaps.
Ares is good on anything that doesn't do a lot of damage itself or which you use rarely, since it's pretty strong flat damage.
I think Dio and Demeter have the most boons that are very build-dependent and bad unless you go for something specific.
Maybe Poseidon too. But even that doesn't mean that they're bad, just that they are more niche.
cosmic hornet
ares excel in three things, i feel:
moves that you rarely use and spreads a lot (i.e. bow special, sword special)
Moves that is a part of your rotation but isn't the main damage source (chaos bullrush, chiron attack)
Merciful end builds
pine flax
Do you think with rolls it's easy to get hoarding slash + side hustle in a run?
pallid glade
No, because you can't roll hammers.
cosmic hornet
the first one is great for room clears, the second one is good for extra damage, ME is just flat out the best build for a lot - if not all melee weapons
pine flax
Ah snap.
cosmic hornet
@finite siren
finite siren
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those are interesting tips, thanks, i'll try to keep them in mind
pine flax
can anyone tell me what Doom is good on
Aspect of Chaos shield special
proven osprey
Malphon, Aspect of Zeus
pine flax
Zeus is specifically if you get ME though right
like normally you would just want Zeus on Zeus?
proven osprey
yeah
pine flax
How do you save up enough money for meta curreny for styx shop? Play on low/no heat, deep pockets, and just never shop?
Is there a certain build that wouldn't want the shop as much?
olive spruce
golden touch worked surprisingly well when i tried it
imo all builds are improved by health and boons
pine flax
Sorry I meant whichever mirror gives you %gold at the end of every region
Which I'm guessing is golden touch lol
olive spruce
are you concerned about not being able to afford all the titan blood?
pine flax
I feel like just getting meta currency through gemstones is so slow and I never have enough for any of the meta currency at styx shop
olive spruce
because i had the same issue but it turns out you get enough gems/trades that you're able to upgrade all your weapons
I have titan blood left over and i'm not even done collecting all the bounties
pine flax
Just wanna speed it up is all. It's like 110-200 gemstones a run
olive spruce
do you have the contractor upgrade that gives you gems at the end of a boss fight?
and the other one that gives you the equivalent of dark thirst
I was surprised by how quickly I was able to accumulate gems
surreal bolt
How viable are cast builds compared to attack builds?
olive spruce
pretty viable, very boon dependent imo
the ones I'm thinking of are crystal clarity/hunting blades
cosmic hornet
depending on your weapon
poseidon sword and hera bow works amazing as cast based weapon
olive spruce
beowulf trippy shot is also excellent
surreal bolt
stygian soul or the other one? (3 casts vs 3s regen cast)
olive spruce
I usually like stygian
pine flax
I think its dio stygian, and aphro infernal
cosmic hornet
depending on your cast
olive spruce
because otherwise you need to get extra casts somehow
cosmic hornet
poseidon sword always want infernal
olive spruce
again, boon dependent
proven osprey
poseidon zeus cast exit wounds gg
pine flax
Do you mean if there are adds? Cause then you have to target the adds instead of the boss
To make iy stick to thr boss
proven osprey
like you'd want to hit theseus right off the bat
to get Asterius
Theseus being the add
cosmic hornet
i remember trying to stick alecto and it bounced off
i don't think there's anyone else
except meg?
pine flax
alecto has adds yeah
surreal bolt
cast tier list?
solid cairn
nothing
cloud vault
Damn it.
proven osprey
2%
cloud vault
2% of nothing is still nothing.
solid cairn
cast tier list is hard because hera and especially beo make casts function differently
cosmic hornet
poseidon also makes them work differently
and talos is that weird cousin of cast weapons
proven osprey
Demeter meme, Artemis underwhelming
turbid needle
been using Mort more for speedrun attempts than Battie
you have to learn when the phase changes are and be a little more careful but the payoff is great
river wing
what's the payoff
proven osprey
it deals big dmg
turbid needle
extra damage, being able to use it in boss 1
proven osprey
I'd rather have Antos tho, more flexible
river wing
Hmm. idk. i rather have antos too
turbid needle
does antos hit twice if there's only 1 enemy?
river wing
yes
proven osprey
yeah
turbid needle
ah okay
river wing
you can instantlly kill most minibosses too. so there's that
even sneak if you time it right.
proven osprey
but it's not that realistic
turbid needle
thats like 4k less damage on the theseus fight tho
proven osprey
Sneak/furies/barge of death/Lernie/Styx (rat + snakestone..)/Hades
this is where I can use it
river wing
antos?
proven osprey
y
proven osprey
oh yeah sure
river wing
just need to rid the remainding armor yourself before second guy drops down
proven osprey
But I'd rather save it
solid cairn
been using Mort more for speedrun attempts than Battie
battie is meta
proven osprey
Also I don't speedrun I try to survive
idle grove
Does the charged skewer damage boost on spear's special also applies to the retu...
Nobody had the answer to this?
proven osprey
I'm ashamed I don't
But I think it does not
I feel like you gain damage during the charge, then it applies it and it's gone for the return
Might be wrong tho
finite siren
okay literally who said the anvil wasn't worth it when you get such a crappy set of upgrades on your first hammer ? https://twitter.com/VCosmoz/status/1337071462507692035?s=20
all these upgrades and moreso downgrades to my current moveset i'd rather not pick them up than suffer
river wing
dash nova ftw 😄
finite siren
dash nova puts me into so much troubles, the lunge is so stupid
finite siren
are you kidding all those are bad
pallid glade
World Splitter is pretty okay
I've had a good run with it
I'd not pick it over the really good stuff, of course, but it's not bad
finite siren
world splitter is the reason i cant get past hades on heat 7
pallid glade
lol
finite siren
it leaves me so open it's not even worth it
pallid glade
Cursed Slash is tricky but can be totally good
surreal bolt
cursed slash is a huge bait imo
pallid glade
Dash Nova is the worst out of these, imo, and even then it really depends on the build
river wing
I like dash nova. infinite dashes. :B
surreal bolt
cursed slash imo makes you get hit once, end up low, have to spam attack to survive, eventually in that cycle get killed by two mistakes in a row due to no max hp
pallid glade
Of course, if I've already built up around a fast attack, World Splitter is bad. But then, I rarely do that, so it's usually really nice.
Yeah, that can totally happen. It's a risky one for sure.
finite siren
oooh just got strong drink in the foutain room of tartarus, seems like this run isn't lost afterall
surreal bolt
world splitter is atleast viable, yea
turbid needle
I've warmed up to world splitter recently
river wing
Yea. world splitter late can be bad. esp with support fire/lightning strike/piercing wave kinda build.
but early on, picking it is fun.
you can build around it
surreal bolt
opinions on 5% of money becomes damage sword?
river wing
it doesn't do much most of the time. Unless you specifically work towards it from the start. it makes for nice meme runs
smoky sinew
First time I decided to use it I saved my gold until the styx it's not worth it
surreal bolt
50 extra damage on the sword is pretty solid
turbid needle
that's still pretty damn good if ur rocking flurry slash or spamming dash attack
river wing
But if you try to meme really hard you can get 3-5K. which means each hit does quite a chonk of damage.
Purging pool and stuff
surreal bolt
with no purging pool I can get to 3k reliably
turbid needle
flurry slash with the beam one seems pretty good
smoky sinew
It's good damage it's just not worth not spending the gold
river wing
50 extra damage on the sword is pretty solid
yea, but this is with 1k gold... which is kinda... you can likely get as much damage or more by spending that gold.
It's just not that good compared to other hammers
But meme value is really high
turbid needle
it seems like it'd be good on boonless runs
bc you have no real use for money otherwise
river wing
🤔
surreal bolt
a heroic aphrodite is at max +125%, possible to get it up to about 200%, thats still only 60 damage on sword
about as consistent as that is getting 3k gold, which is 170 damage
turbid needle
and u can have both at the same time
river wing
you really only get so much gold if you try saving up from the start tho. there's opportunity cost/lost and you might not even find the hammer
surreal bolt
often you get hammer first 6 rooms
turbid needle
I save gold on every run so I can buy the meta item in styx
surreal bolt
you typically dont have a stupid amount of money or chance to spend it in that time
turbid needle
buying the diamond/blood has to be one of the best feelings in this game
other than like, catching a sturgeon or voidskate
cloud vault
I like world splitter. It's tricky but the damage speaks for itself
surreal bolt
kinda, yea
modest dock
you need to get a duo from artemis, you need a few more casts, you need a thing where it fires for longer duration, you need damage on it
surreal bolt
eh, you dont need all that
modest dock
i encountered artemis like 6 times in a run and all she gave me was this duo and then not a single time did she think i need some legendary casts
surreal bolt
its not the whole build
modest dock
what's the whole build
modest dock
mine fired for so little time i didn't have time for weapon
surreal bolt
10 seconds
stray spade
What are really good Boon combos for the spear? I’m trying to beat hades with every weapon right now and the two I’m having a tough time with are the spear and bow. I can’t seem to get much DPS out of the bow and the spear is just weird to me
cloud vault
Artemis dash is great on Hestia
modest dock
What are really good Boon combos for the spear? I’m trying to beat hades with ev...
lemme tell you how to use the spear real quick
you click special once
that's it
you throw it away
it just rests
leave
cloud vault
Tried that it came back
modest dock
dammit
cloud vault
Also had half hp worst aspect confirmed
surreal bolt
spear is dash attack spam imo
modest dock
Also had half hp worst aspect confirmed
nah it's pretty fun when you spam your enlarged spin attack with quick charge
cloud vault
Spear is either massive specials or serrated dash
Or Merciful End i guess
Well you can do cast builds too
surreal bolt
merciful end works with everything but bow though lmao
river wing
achillis crush shot, parting shot.
pretty fun
it doesn't translate to higher heats at all tho
i think parting shot is the only reason why crushshot is kinda okay for such an achillis build
turbid needle
parting shot, heart rend, hunters mark
river wing
actually it doesn't really add that much. I've tried it before.
opal lodge
nyaanyaa swears by achilles crush shot for high heat achilles
river wing
Like achllis already does +150%. so an extra 85% isn't that much
turbid needle
crush shot is sick
river wing
wait really, bright? or is she just joking again
river wing
stygian?
opal lodge
crush shot is very high base damage and you end up in that range anyway a lot of the time with achilles
probably
also weak is just super valuable
river wing
i like dio alot on achillis, for both infernal and stygian
turbid needle
30% dmg reduction is crazy that's almost max arthur
cloud vault
Yeah go special aphro, Athena Dash and attack, crush shot and Artemis call i think
opal lodge
dio delay is not great imo
river wing
ice wine potential UwU
even without icewine, it's pretty fun to lob those cast.
I was trying 40-45 with that. im a bad player tho
:C
cloud oracle
Hey is it better to run Gods legacy or gods pride for chiron bow build?
smoky sinew
Im using Gods legacy most of the time but its about the player
I think its better to just decide what boons you want to get and then choose
cloud vault
Do you all run priv status or favor more?
stray spade
Someone explain weak to me. Does it make them have weaker attack or defense??
cloud vault
Weaker attack
river wing
favor
stray spade
But there is a boon you can get to make it lower defense right?
cloud vault
Sweet surrender
river wing
it's one less thing to think about. and ends up to about the same
turbid needle
family favorite is just better
it isn't situational, and it's only a 15% additive difference
which on sword dash attack is a whopping 4.5 damage
river wing
Idk. i think it's plenti good if you're doing low tolerance chiron or something
turbid needle
its only 15%!!
opal lodge
low tolerance chiron is a fine corner case to run it
river wing
15% is not a low amount on hangover
opal lodge
if you're doing a build that doesn't apply 2 T1 statuses just admit you like PS for the funny sounds
turbid needle
lol I haven't even used it that much
rare kindle
What if your build is really dependent on one god?
river wing
I mean. it's like.. 15% is good because there isn't much other ways to increase the damage
turbid needle
I wanna hear the sounds
river wing
on something like attack. 15% is low cause you can get boons/urge to kill/chaos etc
15% is nothing compared
river wing
What if your build is really dependent on one god?
you should still fill the god pool to get more of that one god
opal lodge
yeah again my main issue with PS is it means artemis isn't one of my DPS gods
and that sounds like a bad time
turbid needle
I have a fully leveled chaos aspect shield, and I'm still not impressed with the damage of the bull rush special with dio or even with ares curse and athena's sudden judgement... so, like, what do I need? Any videos of it being op that is 1.0? Was it only OP in the early aspect?
pine flax
what heat are you on?
turbid needle
like 4-6
pine flax
idk, ares special + impending doom doing gr8 for me on 12 heat
olive spruce
I just cleared 18 heat without merciful end earlier
pine flax
im making td2 time
turbid needle
interesting, whatever I'm doing seems really slow
olive spruce
it isn't going to be instant
unless you have divine dash
but it does a ton of damage
pine flax
i havent tried ME on chaos aspect
olive spruce
it's amazing
pine flax
you use athena dash im guessing??
pine flax
how long doe sit take you to kill hades, or what are you having trouble with @turbid needle
olive spruce
also impending doom
turbid needle
dark thirst almost never lands on shield, so I don't have much expierence on it yet... I'll keep trying, and I'll try impending doom
pine flax
yeah ares special, impending doom and a pom on both are pretty sufficient
explosive return, piercing shot bull rush, and faster bullrush are also pretty nice
olive spruce
explosive return and piercing shot are my two favourite hammers for chaos shield
pine flax
you also get pretty easy priv status with the build if you get dio/demeter/aphro attack
olive spruce
as long as you get blinding flash from athena
pine flax
oh yes exposed also works really freaking well
i did have an exposed run with chaos shield
was great
olive spruce
another build that seemed to work well for me on chaos shield was zeus special
as long as you get a bunch of other lightning boons
pine flax
zeus special seems kinda wack since you already have good clear?
olive spruce
what do you mean by good clear?
pine flax
you have 5 shields already to clear mobs
olive spruce
IIRC the special doesn't do great damage on its own
olive spruce
it probably wouldn't do as much dps as a doom build
but with jolted it could be good
sonic mural
zeus special is just bad on single damage since special has a .2 cooldown between lightning
turbid needle
Zeus special is so good
olive spruce
you're not using the special often enough for this to be a problem
turbid needle
it's literally a free win if u get lightning on it
sonic mural
for chaos shield all the shields hit at the same time
so you only get one lightning strike per 5 shields
olive spruce
i don't think that's how it works
olive spruce
it's per target IIUC
finite siren
does passion dash reduce dash distance ?
sonic mural
it says "Has internal cooldown of .2 per target. (Bolt only triggers, at most, 5 times per second per enemy)" => zeus special on chaos shield is bad for boss dps
proven osprey
no
olive spruce
yeah, per target
finite siren
or does gilgamesh aspect reduce dash distance ? one or the either for sure reducing my dash distance, it's awful short now
sonic mural
if you put zeus special on chaos shield, you might as well use zag shield
since it'll do the same damage
turbid needle
is that right?
sonic mural
yah but im saying for boss dps
turbid needle
5 shields isn't 5 times the chain lightning/lightning bolts?
do you have a halting chaos boon @cosmoz
olive spruce
yah but im saying for boss dps
that's the same as with a doom build in that case
turbid needle
might just be placebo
sonic mural
but doom has the stacking boon
olive spruce
you can apply lightning multiple times without an extra boon
proven osprey
The only things that reduce dash range are chaos curses and serrated point afaik
olive spruce
IMO a lot of lightning damage is jolted stuff anyway
river wing
gilga 👀
olive spruce
having long dashes would be so sick
solid cairn
olive spruce
I guess hyper sprint is kind of like that
proven osprey
hm
sonic mural
im just saying doom special is better than zeus special since you have the option for boss dps, as well as room clearing
olive spruce
fair enough, i was not comparing to doom special, just saying that zeus is good too
river wing
everything works on zeus shield.
olive spruce
how high is high?
sonic mural
this is for chaos shield
solid cairn
40+ generallt
proven osprey
yup agreed
opal lodge
for chaos shield i meant
ive tried both at 49 heat and zeus special gives much better results imo
pine flax
aspect of zeus + doom special makes my brain happy esp once oyu get used to how far the zeus shield travels before stopping
you just go brrr on bosses
or sorry zeus special** not doom special
finite siren
is 436 doom damage a lot
solid cairn
oh I reached 1000 escape attempts yesterday
pine flax
what the
turbid needle
perhaps
pine flax
zeus shield is amazing
turbid needle
I'm at like 115
solid cairn
beowulf took my shieldginity sorry
pine flax
:" (...
solid cairn
maybe I'll try it out i think I have it maxed
pine flax
i think you'll like it if you memorize how far it goes before stopping, it's also fun to just return it and run around killing flame wheels with your shield behind you lol
pine flax
ya
solid cairn
what attack
turbid needle
I like setting it on one cluster of spawnpoints then talking care of a different one
pine flax
err i just choose whatever i get first that gives me priv status lol, but if you're using family favorite then probs athena attack?
river wing
how big can you make a slicing shot 🤔
pine flax
beo slicing shot LOL
river wing
need to try a black metal pom meme run
solid cairn
beowulf ares and zeus casts are awful
river wing
i want it to fill the screen
olive spruce
what attack
if you got demeter attack you could try for the duo boon
turbid needle
what's a good dash only meme build
olive spruce
cold fusion
river wing
jolted is amazing o.o
solid cairn
really
olive spruce
IMO it does most of the damage of lightning
river wing
jolted can carry runs with fo2
solid cairn
so better than rupture
pine flax
what's fo2?
olive spruce
so much better
pine flax
you dont need cold fusion with zeus shield since stuff will always be hit anywyas
olive spruce
actually I'm not sure now, I haven't really gone for poseidon in my builds for a while
pine flax
you can depending on the encounter? for things like the skulls or flame wheels i just run around
for other things you throw out the shield on a spawn and kill other spawns
for bosses i just throw it out and let it sit on top of the boss and attack/dash around
solid cairn
I like spinning
pine flax
you get more deeps if you know how far the shield goes before stopping if you're fighting something beefy
since you dont have to manage the shield if you do that
i havent tried it but you could also try spam returning it if you get explosive return LOL
solid cairn
zeus shield has tied highest heat so it must be somewhat good ig
pine flax
can you go higher than 57?
solid cairn
yes
pine flax
57 is the highest right?
pine flax
highest as in someone has only completed 57
smoky sinew
can you go higher than 57?
I just talked about it in high heat chat go check
opal lodge
63 on normal mode, 64 on hell mode
solid cairn
which may never happen
pine flax
oh ok
solid cairn
unless someoene is really dedicated
rare kindle
or a TAS
opal lodge
tas/routing
solid cairn
Tas wouldn't really work since we don't know a way to make enemies do exactly what you want
river wing
TAS could make you not get hit
pine flax
it wouldnt be a tas then right
pallid glade
TAS can just mean savestates and similar tricks. So you don't need to be able to make the enemies do exactly what you want, you just reset until you react correctly.
pallid glade
I guess you could do segmented runs already - save the gamestate upon entering each room and repeat each room until you get as fast as you think you possibly can; rinse and repeat for every room.
regal glade
I had a fun build with the super Demeter crystal beams the other day. Fun if ya haven’t tried it.
pseudo stream
anyone have a quick build advice for Zeus shield?
regal glade
I tried it with the ares cast and had fun just doubling down on that.
But I feel like dash-strike builds are good with that one, cause the shield will just follow you around if you’re quick enough.
pine flax
anyone have a quick build advice for Zeus shield?
Zeus Special. If you want priv status you can go dio/aphro/dem attack. Try to pick up jolted
Everything else I think is pretty flexible
regal glade
Jolted is good with it.
smoky sinew
bro I tried getting Ares legendary so many times but he keeps trolling he dosent want to give it to me
pine flax
Ares Special with Zeus aspect is harder to do cause it kinda is butts without ME or stacking doom boon
turbid needle
I think the only duos/legends I'm missing are from Ares
yeah the build sucks without ME itself
pine flax
Yee requires more specific boons than if you just go all in on zeus
turbid needle
but it's fun when it pops off
pine flax
ME build does do more dmg tho
and you could try to pick up blinding flash from athena if you go that route
smoky sinew
Im missing a lot of duos from demeter except Athena/Artemis and Ares Dinoysus Hermes both legendary and... a Poseidon's common 😂
I got kinda confused at Hermes Legendary's what do i have to do to get them?
turbid needle
take flurry cast or quick reload or auto reload
opal lodge
make sure you're running god's legacy
buy yarns or ariadne when you have hermes coming up
turbid needle
I had like 3 yarns once, was a lil disappointed when they didn't stack
languid dagger
blizzard shot with Achilles - Stygian or nah?
smoky sinew
oh I see thx guys
fathom tiger
I like the triple special on the greek m4a1 a lot, combo with ares special boon
feral cosmos
What are some good gods and boons to look out for while using the Stygian Blade?
turbid needle
pretty much anything will work, but I really like artemis, aphrodite, and athena on attack
rare kindle
aphrodite, artemis
turbid needle
ares and zeus work pretty well on special
languid dagger
What are some good gods and boons to look out for while using the Stygian Blade?
I love doing Lambent Plume builds with Stygian
really depends on RNG quite a bit
but if you get epic Rush Delivery and Flurry Jab, or double Dash strike
daaaamn
blizzard shot with Achilles - Stygian or nah?
pseudo stream
any Hera advice? just unlocked it to 5 (second last one, Talos is next) and haven't tried it since I got Rama haha
specifically what cast and duos am I looking for
languid dagger
specifically what cast and duos am I looking for
I have tried it with Ice Wine and it was a mistake, lol
and people warned me here )
so don't do ice wine
cuz it has delayed cast
pseudo stream
haha, ouch
so far the weirdest aspect has been Zeus for me
it seems very powerful, but a lot of my habits don't suit it well
pseudo stream
just did Merciful End with it, my damage is soooo high but I took a lot of damage
languid dagger
Zeus is not easy to pilot and potential for dps is insane
pseudo stream
also the screen is very flashy and I took hits cuz I couldn't see what was going on haha
yeah, it was my second attempt ever! lost my first one to EM4
languid dagger
zeus with zeus on special is mega strong, gets exponentially stronger with proper support boons/duos
pseudo stream
oh? and which are those?
I had doom on special and deflect on attack, with Merciful End, so the damage was... absuuuurd
languid dagger
well all Zeus stuff like jolted and double strike
pine flax
if you get jolted + double strike it's p good
languid dagger
and any duo will work basically
pseudo stream
yeah I went straight for ME, wanted to try it
languid dagger
like duo with Aphro and Zeus' call is always very very strong
pine flax
like duo with Aphro and Zeus' call is always very very strong
what is the duo?
languid dagger
especially if you have billowing
pine flax
like name of it
languid dagger
eh, forgot, one that gives you one bar of call but it automatically fills up
turbid needle
smoldering air
languid dagger
btw, still dunno if double strike affects Zeus call
languid dagger
smoldering air
that's the one
stone harbor
btw, still dunno if double strike affects Zeus call
why wouldn't it?
languid dagger
why wouldn't it?
I checked call's description and it doesn't say "bolt"
that's why I was doubting
makes sense that it would boost it
stone harbor
zeus only has bolts and chain lightning and it is clearly not chain lightning, no?
languid dagger
yeah, as I was saying, makes sense that it should boost it, but description of the call for some reason doesn't say "lightning bolt"
stone harbor
it says that lightning strikes
languid dagger
yep
stone harbor
the samne language is used elsewhere, I checked special and dash
turbid needle
@velvet solstice what do you mean "combo tech"?
velvet solstice
like buffering aa>dash>dash-aa with excalibur.
its really fun to discover.
my favorite thing is special>dash>dash-aa with nemesis.
turbid needle
I've not heard of combo buffering
velvet solstice
it only works with 90 damage aa tho.
double edge makes its %%%% sexy.
oh theres a lot of cool tech in this game ive discovered.
solid cairn
aa?
solid cairn
uh sure
velvet solstice
but its really only thing that keeps me playing lol.
%)
like i really hate the weapons i cant discover thech on.
velvet solstice
i wish they add a trainnig too to apply boons and hammers on trainig with dummy.
solid cairn
with nemesis are you talking special double dash strike
velvet solstice
Ok, ill finish my run and record some tech for you.
but dont laugh at me if its old.
solid cairn
oke
river wing
they just mean the various trick you can do with weapons.
like on arthur you can
attack -> Dash before your attack comes out -> dashstrike and let the initial attack come out.
to do a double poke.
This sort of tricks
solid cairn
oh yeah I know that
velvet solstice
you can attack>dash>dash-attack with excalibur for two rapid attacks !!
it doesnt makes excalibur that optimal but still really fun.
let me finish my run so i can record.
or should i forfeit im really exited if youre not aware.
%)
river wing
they're probably aware
pallid glade
Yup, that's a fun thing to do with Arthur
solid cairn
I think I know what you're talking about
ripe glade
any suggestions on a fun build for the twin fists?... any aspect..
final warren
I enjoy myself some condition layering
ripe glade
hangover?
final warren
demeter, dio
velvet solstice
demeter with dio atacks attacks and crit special.
final warren
but my abosolute favorite, is the rope-a-dope Poseidon build
solid cairn
poseidon special?
final warren
poseidon special on talos
ripe glade
yeah.. that's kinda of my go to build.. wanna change it up
final warren
uppercut, knockaway, uppercut pull, knockaway, repeat
ripe glade
dem and dio sounds fun
languid dagger
so, can someone give me the answer: stygian soul on Achilleus Blizzard shot or no?
solid cairn
zeus atack artemis special
velvet solstice
they're probably aware
:((( ive discovered on my own and wanted to share the tech.
final warren
if you get seas storm on rope-a-dope its pretty good. Bosses are a bit tougher, but not that bad
ripe glade
slam damage is great too for that build.. I do run that mostly.. but changing it up for a change..
I like the name rope a dope.. lol..
final warren
its a terribly innacurate description of boxing lol
ripe glade
haha.. but way cooler 😄
final warren
or of a boxing technique I should say lol
but it sounds fun and i got nothing elese
I could probably say its referencing tricking the opponent to "attack" me... or something, idk
sly grail
does anyone know how to get the locked keepstakes i have no idea
pallid glade
:((( ive discovered on my own and wanted to share the tech.
Nothing wrong with that! I'm glad you found something that's fun to you!
pallid glade
Anything that works with fast attack: Dio, Demeter, Ares
Poseidon if you feel you need more breathing room, I guess.
Athena is fun for reflecting everything back at a distance
pine flax
o sorry i meant like
what other boons do you want on an eris build alongside zeus attack
hardy escarp
whats yalls favorite fist aspect
pallid glade
what other boons do you want on an eris build alongside zeus attack
Ahh. Arty Special is nice
Poseidon Special and Sea Storm is not as great, but fun 🙂
Aphro special works well
hardy escarp
seems like the fists are the only weapon where the hidden aspect isnt the best
pallid glade
Nah, Rail
Rail 4 is memey and fun, but worse compared to other Rail aspects than Fists 4 vs other Fist aspects
turbid needle
yep
pallid glade
Eris by far
Hestia, if you can manage the reloads well
Zag is basic but since the rail is already pretty good, it works
languid dagger
it feels like Mirage shot does not work with blizzard shot
prime plover
note to self. when i boot the game up. Full on Poseidon Lucifer build. don't cross the streams
vital bay
Eris Rail is definitely good, but I feel like I bait myself to dash into enemies sometimes with it
prime plover
Eris isn't my most favorite rail to play with? I honestly feel like most of the time default is more fun to make funny builds with
I know it's really good but that don't make it the most fun
solid cairn
I would agree
vital bay
Also Chiron bow is definitely overrated
solid cairn
Zag rail makes flurry fire and specially spread shot more fun than eris
vital bay
someone told me it was op
solid cairn
It isn’t
prime plover
Chrion bow is good but have you tried Hera
vital bay
I even got the extra specials upgrade
solid cairn
That person was overrating it
static ibex
I love Chiron
solid cairn
What special boon
solid cairn
Which god’s special?
solid cairn
Also what rank was it
static ibex
for Chiron, doesn't matter. Attack/Special have a different status effect so you can abuse Privileged Status
solid cairn
It does matter
There is one Chiron build I know of that does priv
Being Aphrodite attack and Dio special
vital bay
I can't tell what boon it is
but I had aphrodite shot and then the bonus dmg vs weak targets
static ibex
I'm partial to Dio attack + Demeter special, though I've found anything works as well as they each impart a status curse
solid cairn
For the most part the best thing for Chiron is a crit build with Artemis
vital bay
so you would shot then get bonus dmg on special
solid cairn
As boring as that sounds
Well Demeter attack dio special does not open up a duo
And less dmg than weak attack
pine flax
is delta chamber good with anything
vital bay
is there a way to check past runs in game
solid cairn
Delta chamber is just okay all around, maybe not on zag rail since at that point you are literally using a direct downgrade to eris
Assuming eris also had delta
Take it if you don’t see the good special hammers on eris
Yes the bottom room in the left hall of the house @vital bay
vital bay
you mean the locked room?
pine flax
unlock it through contractor @vital bay
vital bay
I had Demeter special
static ibex
I've got Titan Blood to spare and need to start clearing with other weapons. Aspect of Achilles Spear is pretty good no?
vital bay
Zagerus with Exploding Launcher is good and cheap
solid cairn
One of the filing cabinets has a thing where you can look at previous runs
Demeter special is okay, especially if you had the one that makes an explosion when enemies get max chill
Is your Chiron level 4 or 5
pseudo stream
anyone have a suggested build for Hera bow? which casts should I be looking at?
solid cairn
Aphrodite cast is consistent
vital bay
4
solid cairn
Phalanx shot is really good if you can get the parting shot duo and have shadow presence on the mirror
Athena cast has an interesting property where it backstabs in any direction with parting shot, even if you hit enemies in the front
solid cairn
4
Hmm that should be pretty good then, maybe give it some more time
And do Artemis special
vital bay
I have like 9 wins, but no melee build wins
what is easiest melee weapon to win with and not get destroyed in Elysium
languid dagger
Phalanx shot is really good if you can get the parting shot duo and have shadow ...
Lightning Phalanx is also pretty nutty
solid cairn
On hera it makes it annoying to pick up the casts
pine flax
do people just pom pressure points a ton to try and get as much crit chance as possible?
or do they just leave it
solid cairn
So today I learned PP is better than clean kill in basically every way
Well not today actually
A few days ago
opal lodge
pomming PP can be good depending on what else is available
more crit chance is never a bad thing
pine flax
acorn is bettrer than tooth right?
solid cairn
Your summon can also crit with is pretty funny
languid dagger
acorn is bettrer than tooth right?
it depends on a lot of stuff imo
solid cairn
At least I think it can
opal lodge
PP no, hunter's mark yes
solid cairn
Oh
opal lodge
anything can crit with hunter's mark i believe
solid cairn
Eight
opal lodge
traps included
opal lodge
that's kinda what im wondering
solid cairn
I don’t think so
opal lodge
i think it might just be shard stacking nonsense though
solid cairn
It was
But what if we added a crit onto that
Honestly Idek if that clip is record damage
But I have not seen anything higher
Or even close
opal lodge
pressure points
velvet solstice
acorn is bettrer than tooth right?
if you have a hermes boon which restores your hp its usually better to go tooth.
general rule is if you have more effective hp you go tooth.
opal lodge
it's also better to go tooth if you're worried about EM4 adds
HL5 and EM4 both change the equation imo
velvet solstice
and if you dont youd rather go block.
opal lodge
if you have HL5 but no EM4 acorn is far more eHP
even without HL5 the acorn is usually more eHP but i could see some argument for tooth
ripe glade
The fists, Demet aspect and Dio att was a great shout guys.... awesome build... although couldn't transition well.. missed a lot with the special.. lol.. but when it did... the Doom dash blades helped a lot... passed heat 20 in 23 mins... definitely gonna be using it again.. nice call...
velvet solstice
can anyone already pls make a spreadsheet with optimal builds.
opal lodge
there's way too much to this game to try to make a spreadsheet with just optimal "builds" - i know there's some people who keep their own personal list
velvet solstice
its a lot of time to invest without a proper training tool/
opal lodge
like vicious skewer zeus special isnt something i'd recommend to anyone but it works really well on 40+ heat achilles
ripe glade
I always suggested having a filter option in the records room.. so you can filter through builds
I have to scroll back 200 times just to get to my fastest run.. lol
velvet solstice
on certain weapons should i go flat damege like zues or dio or do i go percentage aphro etc.
dio always feels ok btw but im low heat.
ripe glade
I'm only hitting early 20 heats with all my weapons now.. but been really just taking some youtube advice and making it up as I go along.. but now I'm finding it tougher...
opal lodge
general rule of thumb is low rate of attack, high base damage moves like % damage, while high rate of attack low base damage moves like flat damage
you could always look at the high heat spreadsheet pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies to look for "optimal" builds
heady peak
Is it just me or is Aphrodite extremely good if you even invest a little bit in more health?
ripe glade
I was doing doom damage with my special spear for 344 early... and hit 7 targets... was an easy run...
so didnt actually attack much...
high base damage is good advice
velvet solstice
thats kinda obvious with hera or excalib but what about lucifer or eris.
eris is my first aspect of rifle btw.
eager whale
people usually recommend zeus on lucifer and eris
eager whale
rail took me a little bit of getting used to
velvet solstice
i play on pad so maybe thats the reason/
pallid glade
Dangit, how did I end up with a barely sub-20 run in which I had all the cool eris upgrades except cluster bomb
it was so good and yet somehow slow
solid cairn
no pad is better for rail
velvet solstice
but i dont see any skill expression in rail.
pallid glade
I think I lost all the time in... Elysium? what?
solid cairn
because auto aim is really good
pine flax
why is rocket bomb eris good btw? hgow do you asborb the special damage?
eager whale
i originally played with kbm and then switched to pad, had to get a little used to clicking the special
solid cairn
eris is kind of haha machine gun go brrr
devout ether
why is rocket bomb eris good btw? hgow do you asborb the special damage?
Just stand next to it?
eager whale
why is rocket bomb eris good btw? hgow do you asborb the special damage?
if you stand in the radius of the explosion
pine flax
oh true
devout ether
Treat it as a high powered shotgun
devout ether
The blast is also huge, btw
velvet solstice
i can easily lame out everything with lucifer but i dont have any fun playing that way.
velvet solstice
i hate to reload on pad.
eager whale
default reload binding is bad
velvet solstice
and im a type of person who never wants to rebind.
eager whale
ah gotcha
eager whale
yea then i can understand why hestia isnt very fun for you
velvet solstice
i mean.
velvet solstice
you dont even have that many buttons on a gamepad to rebind.
eager whale
i have reload on l1 and codex on r3
velvet solstice
and game literally tells you that its better to play pad.
pine flax
switch codex and reload
have you upgraded from somewhat speedy
velvet solstice
yeah thats what im thinking about but i like to check my codex for duos etc.
eager whale
i dont think you need the codex to be easily accessible during combat, if you forget where it's bound you can always pause and look in controls to see where it is
velvet solstice
so id rather just rant how bad designed rifle is and avoid palying it.
solid cairn
welp time to give zeus shield a try
ripe glade
oh.. quick question.. is it possible to sell a boon that you already achieved the duo of it?... does it give you the option to sell the original boon?
and keep the duo
velvet solstice
btw if they make r-stick to attack in a direction.
oof its add a whole new level.
and makes rifle easier to play on pad.
solid cairn
it's also called rail
pallid glade
oh.. quick question.. is it possible to sell a boon that you already achieved th...
yep
You only need the pre-reqs to be offered the duo
though usually if you sell the pre-reqs the duo becomes rather worse^^
opal lodge
depends on the duo
velvet solstice
if you have ares art dou its ok to sell art.
opal lodge
selling doom on merciful end breaks it
solid cairn
ok zeus shield is a reeeeealy weird weapon
opal lodge
out of curiosity what does lame play look like to you
mighty ermine
you can play zeus shield without playing "lame" i assure you
opal lodge
lame play is such a subjective thing lol
tulip blaze
(1. What does that mean?
2. Can we phrase it in a way that isn’t using ableist language?)
ripe glade
ah.. ok.. I don't generally sell boons... but just duo hunting... but if the duo becomes worse or void... best avoid selling I guess
opal lodge
it's such a useless term imo
mighty ermine
i'm assuming by lame you mean... defensive? passive? which is absolutely not necessarily the case with zeus shield
you can be very aggro with it
ripe glade
thanks again guys
solid cairn
ok I'm... kind of understanding how to use it
velvet solstice
yea but you get more base damage with zags aspect and you can boost it even further.
solid cairn
(1. What does that mean?
2. Can we phrase it in a way that isn’t using ableist l...
honesly never heard lame being described as ableist
velvet solstice
and with zues you have to play around you special.
mighty ermine
yea but you get more base damage with zags aspect and you can boost it even furt...
the base damage increase only applies to attack and dash-strike; zeus shield can use both the attack and special in tandem
solid cairn
you clearly don't like this game lmao
mighty ermine
high level zeus shield play makes use of both
solid cairn
I feel like when I try to use the attack of zeus so far it's just been canceling the special
mighty ermine
I feel like when I try to use the attack of zeus so far it's just been canceling...
that's kind of a symptom of leaving out your special in one place too long
you can yoyo it around back and forth while attacking
pine flax
Baj makes it looks so EASY
turbid needle
And you can special immediatly after an attack
velvet solstice
the art and music is really od but gameplay tbh is a little bit inferior to nuclear throne or isaac and buch of other rouge lites.
mighty ermine
it's not at all directly comparable to those games, for starters
solid cairn
it's not at all directly comparable to those games, for starters
this
turbid needle
Nuclear Throne, maybe ?
Binding of Isaac ? nope
Best roguelite of comparaison, IMO, would be Wizard of Legend
And even then
pallid glade
Gotta admit, I played Nuclear Throne, and while fun, I would not consider its level of polish/quality to be anywhere close to Hades.
velvet solstice
dont get me wrong i really like hades.
turbid needle
Nuclear Throne is basically an arcade game lol
solid cairn
OHHH i thought the zeus special came back to you after a certain time
didnt know you pressed special again
pine flax
bruh
velvet solstice
who cares about polish.
pine flax
LOL cin
mighty ermine
lol
solid cairn
350 hours guys
pine flax
It is also comes back to you if you bounce it off a wall
mighty ermine
who cares about polish.
uh