#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 764

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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step 4 profit?

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i understand

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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dio cast is the way

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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add chaos booms for +cast% damage, add extra casts

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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cover yourself in oil

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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big nukes

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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the well items can also add those

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Have you unlocked aspects?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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also, a number of weapons boost cast damage

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poseidon sword, eris gun, etc

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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or change the delivery mech of casts

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Are there any strong opinions about choosing Infernal Soul or Stygian Soul?

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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oh

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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depends on your cast

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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are we not allowed to curse?

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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nope

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PG server

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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huh

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ok

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fair enough

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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stygian soul has its niche but i prefer infernal

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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opal lodge depends on your cast

Not really, given you choose before the run

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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no swearies in my Christian Minecraft server

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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let me try again

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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sir

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if you are doing a cast build

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you force your cast

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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turbid needle 2. cover yourself in oil

that caught me off guard, made me chuckle to myself alone in my room

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no cursing

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there we go

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Force your cast? I thought you could just reroll

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:34 PM

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dio/dem/ares cast synergize well with styg

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um

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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equip god keepsake

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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take god keepsake
reroll until u get cast

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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roll

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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^

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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even a reroll sometimes you don't get the cast you want 😦

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I wouldn't call that force

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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yeah then reset

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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its forcing it

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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thats what people usually mean by force

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I'd love an endgame option to pay a chunk of darkness and pick my starting god/boon/rarity

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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@opal lodge sorry, my Discord is acting up. I thought you just mentioned Nemesis and Beowulf in the same breath as Rama. dusa

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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more darkness per more specific

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:35 PM

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cunning urchin <@!461369378315960330> sorry, my Discord is acting up. I thought you just mentio...

this is blood price/nighty night nemesis tbf

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:36 PM

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I just maxed out my varatha aspect of hades and unlocked the hidden aspect before I tried the twin fists aspect of talos and realised I'm way better at that dusa

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:37 PM

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talos is sick

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no regrets

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:37 PM

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talos is so cool

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yoink

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nothing else offers the same level of yoinkage as talos

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I'm sad by how much I don't want to use the base form of any of the weapons

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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except maybe rip current

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:38 PM

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like; I get they're meant to be simple upgrades

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but could they maybe be simple upgrades that are more fun? 😛

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Basic bow is fine actually

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Hello, on heat 10 rn w gloves and been managing to clutch wins thus far but

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:40 PM

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just play it as a melee weapon using its special

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I realized on extreme measures 3 I keep losing 1, if not 2 death defies on these us and asterius

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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yeah they can be tricky with gloves

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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So far I've just been focusing theseus down and then asterius, is there a better way to go about it?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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make sure Theseus isn't running you over

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Right right

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Afraid to turn on extreme measures 4 til I can get through theseus and asterius' without losing death defies

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:43 PM

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What hits are you taking?

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:45 PM

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The big thing I think is Asterius new continual spin move

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But I may also be getting run over by chariot and not realizing it

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I usually just follow theseus on it and whack him from behind before the bombs go off behind him

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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just flee when he spins 😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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beyblade beyblade let it rip

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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But trying to keep up w theseus while not getting clobbered by asterius seems to be getting me

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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plink with your cast, don't try to hit him

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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thanks hypnos

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Whats plink mean?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:46 PM

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you can definitely kill asterius first

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plink is a weak hit

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Err is that just an onomatopeia for slapping him xD

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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yes

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Ah roger thay

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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but yeah

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Theseus only has the two attacks

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I'll give it a shot, ty!

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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the mortars, and occasional manic scream across the arena shooting in front of him

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so if you watch out for him doing that you can focus on Asterius first

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Who gave Theseus galling guns 😆

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Theseus doesn't really target you

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he just rolls around

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Gatling*

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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u did when you signed the pact

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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halcyon solstice Who gave Theseus galling guns 😆

Daedelus

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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sometimes they do pile up

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Huh, maybe I should go back to focusing asterius first instead

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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save your summon for that

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I dont have any summons T.T

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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and you're trying EM3 😮

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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I beat the main story pre fast but bc of thay I still haven't maxed any relationships or anything

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Get closer with some people then

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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braave

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Im working on skelly and megs rn

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Also dusas

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:48 PM

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You can beat the game without summons, definitely, but I like my summons for speeding up fights

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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i was a than simp so i got his companion really fast LOL

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still am

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I mean

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Other summons are sisyphus Achilles and I forgot the last one lol

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I often forget to use my summon

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Than is the last one thats right

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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yeah

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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How do the summons work btw?

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Is it once per floor?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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per fight

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Up to 5

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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megara summon too

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Yooo thats awesome

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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max 5 uses per run (fully upgraded) but you can buy more at the wells of charon sometimes

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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But you can get more uses from a charon well item

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Up to 5 per floor or run

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Oh dang

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I like sisyphus because he pays for himself 😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:49 PM

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i usually use it on minibosses, the boys, and tiny vermin

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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...actually I really like his healing

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I almost never see tiny vermin

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but it's not a problem when I do

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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lucky

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I'm only on like 2 nectar w sisy9hus lmao

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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its been like every run for me

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Not enough nectar to go around to do all these side quests T.T probably just a matter of getting more runs in

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:50 PM

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yeah

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I chose to not do any olympians for a while

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that helped

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and burned keys into it once I had the weapons

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and mirrors...

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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idk hwat im gonna do with my obscene amount of gems

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I'll leave the epilogue for later then and focus on the companions

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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at least get one companion

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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The nice thing about gems is you can convert them to keys which you can convert to nectar

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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1 titan blood = 1k gems

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Whats the best companion to get first?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:51 PM

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or u can get it for 15 keys

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megs is the one i see the most

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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meg is probably the most flexible for uses...

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Probably Meg but Sisyphus is also nice

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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She just came to my room after the last run but her heart is still locked

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I take it she has to visit a second time?

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I'm not sure how you use Skelly's

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Yes

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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im getting all of them for the achievement

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Sisyphus is nice, but harder to unlock

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slower

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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halcyon solstice Whats the best companion to get first?

either Meg or Sisyphus is quite good early on.

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Ye I only run into sisyphus every so often

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Also his consumables are usually less valuable to me at this point than a boon or chaos gate

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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sisy is good if you still need meta rewards

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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So its a struggle

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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meg is more "optimal"

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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109 coins is relatively nice

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Thats tru

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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also if you start doing speed runs the timer pauses in his room 😛

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so you always want it then

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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and theres a guide for how to hit meg on almost every miniboss in the game

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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opal lodge sisy is good if you still need meta rewards

call me a casual but I pick him for healing

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Or if you haven't maxed lasting consequences

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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I usually start chthonic coin purse tho

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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when im too lazy to do LC4

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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getting 50 exra darkness per run is p nice too

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Maybe I could forgo it in favor of a stacking trinket like hermes plume or thanatos butterfly?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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that locks you to it the whole run

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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plume is good, butterfly is overrated

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 PM

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And then I can put more value on that sweet sisyphus allowance

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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halcyon solstice Maybe I could forgo it in favor of a stacking trinket like hermes plume or thana...

purse start can be better.

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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means you can't pick any boons

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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butterfly is bad bc other keepsakes exist

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Lmao

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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butterfly is one of those things that sounds good until you realize that itll end up giving you the same bonus as a slightly better family favorite

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I've only used it twice and that was to get the achievement

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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and its additive

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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If you really want to optimize, the sequence God God Acorn Acorn is hard to beat for both safety and consistency.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I thought it was multiplicative

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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it's all additive

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except crits

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Butterfly is only for the achievements

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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god god hourglass acorn is usually what I do

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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butterfly only sounded good until I realized it realistically capped so low and cost you any other trinkets the whole run

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I usually go coin purse God God and then if I'm confident a random trinket to level or if I'm nervous skelly tooth

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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if I'm nervous I like broken spear

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I usually die to eating a combo

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Broken spear also a solid pick

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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hourglass is so nice

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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yeah hourglass is good

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I like god god acorn acorn

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I dont get hit by the boys enough to warrant acorn

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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broken spear is nice for styx

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I really wanna get all my trinkets leveled just so I have more options

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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hourglass is nutty

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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u get +30% damage for the entire biome

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Rn i not have a handful at level 3, some at 2, and the rest at 1

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I only*

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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its crazy

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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hard to beat acorn for high heat though outside of skull earring/shackle strats

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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one time I had a guillotine trap do like 13 thousand damage to a rat lmfao

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Oh yeah I'm also thinking of doing like a 0 heat shield run w shackles to try to get the boonless dialogue

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 PM

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misty you wanna know the best thing

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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turbid needle one time I had a guillotine trap do like 13 thousand damage to a rat lmfao

imagine if you have trample

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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sure

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I've not managed boonless yet because I keep getting screwed on the sack in styx

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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im gonna see if I can find it

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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shards are multiplicative

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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and no fountains after

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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yooo

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Darn that's rough:(

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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so you can hit very large trap damage numbers

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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you can reroll them off boons if you reroll outside then inside

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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tip for boonless: turn off dark foresight

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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ive seen a 260k damage number with 3+ shards

halcyon solstice Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Also side benefit to going boonless is you'll certainly have enough gold in styx to pick up whatever bounty is for sale

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Which is always a plus

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Since you're selling off all your boons

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I think the biggest thing moving forward for me though is taking off the training wheels, i.e Athena dash

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I've won a few runs w/o it but I almost always take it bc it makes me feel safe

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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dry ember If you really want to optimize, the sequence God God Acorn Acorn is hard to beat...

I've actually been doing god > god > Lucky Tooth > Acorn for my recent runs.

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Chariots etc. are scarier than EM3.

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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but you run RI4 lmfao

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or is this without

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Without lol.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/784902284408127518/unknown.png

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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pagchomp

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 10:01 PM

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bogchamp

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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poor rat got sent to the shadow realm

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:02 PM

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reminds me of that 8k arthur crit on a 10 hp minirat

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/767195800160829450/vlc-record-2020-10-18-03h18m44s-2020-10-18_03-11-02.mp4-.mp4

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misty here is the clip

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:05 PM

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LOL

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 10:14 PM

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8K?

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where is that number?

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 10:17 PM

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They are likely referencing this https://imgur.com/a/u9qzRch

Imgur

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:18 PM

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yeah that was the arthur number i was thinking of

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Is Cursed Slash recommendable?

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Or should i pick Super Nova instead since i have Rapture?

unkempt pagoda Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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cursed slash is a meme, what aspect do you have

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Poseidon

calm bluff Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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i saw some 12k's in there lol

unkempt pagoda Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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super nova, easier cast retrieval

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 10:29 PM

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ight, thanks

pure herald Dec 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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anyone have a link of the new sea storm requirements?

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 10:34 PM

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it's the same as before, except poseidon dash is no longer a pre-req

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Poseidon dash was too good

pure herald Dec 5, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Much harder for it to be effective now though...

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Not really, just requires one more poseidon core boon

pure herald Dec 5, 2020, 10:36 PM

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yah just more rng meh

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ok thanks guys.

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:37 PM

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its not really worth it to take flood shot for sea storm imo

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Still good on Talos fists since you'll want a poseidon special anyway

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:37 PM

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unless youre gonna use flood shot

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just because poseidon t2s are extremely good

pure herald Dec 5, 2020, 10:38 PM

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I've been using Aspect of Achilles trying to get sub 10. Any recommendations on that weapon?

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Been getting Zues legendary attack but still cant seem to get sub 10.

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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The hades speedrunning discord would be a better place to ask i think, since they specialise in the beating the game fast

thick valve Dec 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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whats a good general build for the hidden aspect of stygius?

pure herald Dec 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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ok thanks Aggy.

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 10:39 PM

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It hits like a truck already, so artemis, aphrodite

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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One thing I know that will help, pause the game when choosing between room options

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The seconds will add up

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:40 PM

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clania the first big thing is you want zeus cast instead of attack unless you get flurry jab on achilles

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zeus cast start is basically the classic for achilles speedruns

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more in depth i'd ask in the speed disc yeah

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I cannot believe that braid of atlas is only 20 obols

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:48 PM

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it is literally buying bad news

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a hermes legendary

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for 20 obols

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steal of a lifetime

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:49 PM

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i have found the niche of stygian soul https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/784914226317230101/2020-12-05_164626_Hades.png

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hourglass in elysium babey

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:50 PM

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youve seen the light

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trippy flare beowulf is my favorite aspect in the game

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still the only weapon ive seen kill tiny vermin in < 3 seconds

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:52 PM

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I was like "im gonna take frost horn into asphodel bc I want chill on attack" then demeter showed up with epic ravenous will

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and literally nothing else for the rest of the run

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also had dashing wallop

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:52 PM

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forcing artemis poseidon is really good for it

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since mirage shot makes your damage insane

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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mirage shot sounds stupid

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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yup

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I gotta try that next time shield has dark thirst

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:53 PM

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ice wine doesnt work the way you want it to

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:54 PM

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inviting poseidon means potentially getting exclusive access which is dope

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 10:54 PM

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yeah early exclusive access is sick

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 10:59 PM

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i curbstomped theseus so hard that he kept talking after he died https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/784916839141736518/theseus.mp4

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with the bugged out subtitle too LOL

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i didnt notice that

clever laurel Dec 5, 2020, 11:01 PM

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turbid needle i have found the niche of stygian soul https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/32...

There is no niche it's just as good as infernal soul imo

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Once i unlock all weapons and dark blood stats, what's the use for keys?

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Trading it in at the broker for titan blood or nectar

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I guess also respec-ing your mirror but you won't need to once you have enough darkness and it's rare for me to respec

pine flax Dec 5, 2020, 11:25 PM

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What are other good builds for chaos shield besides area special + curse attack

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 11:25 PM

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zeus special

versed spoke Dec 5, 2020, 11:29 PM

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turbid needle i curbstomped theseus so hard that he kept talking after he died https://cdn.dis...

is this the best build in the game + best weapon?

What is the best build/best weapon in your opinion

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 11:29 PM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorAntsyScallionDeIlluminati

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hello

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stygian beowulf is my favorite build

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purely for this clip

cosmic hornet Dec 5, 2020, 11:30 PM

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versed spoke is this the best build in the game + best weapon? What is the best build/best w...

eris zeus

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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how does zag spear have a 7 minute run

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 11:40 PM

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flurry jab is a hell of a drug

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and babloization is quite good at going fast

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Anyone got a good sword build for 14 heat?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:03 AM

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nemesis + aphrodite attack + any artemis for heartrend

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arthur.

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:04 AM

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wait, so arthur or nemesis?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:04 AM

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both works for me

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:04 AM

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cool, i perfer arthur

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

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nemesis is better, but arthur is a bit easier to play in my experience

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

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both are pretty good up to like 40 heat

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swords in general are hard upwards of 40

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

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take aphro or artemis attack

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athena dash because its athena dash

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:06 AM

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ill prob do arthur w/ Aphro attack and arti special

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i always go for athena dash lol

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just to good

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:06 AM

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there’s little point in arti special imo

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since you need to crit for heartrend to do anything

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:06 AM

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^

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:06 AM

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oh, maybe arti dash then

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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if you want to go for heart rend build just do passion dash + artemis attack

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arthur special is awkward

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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...please dont remind me of optimal arthur

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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optimal arthur haunts my dreams

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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i dont know what that is lol

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:07 AM

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although new optimal arthur might be special spam

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no one really knows

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dash attack dash attack dash attack dash attack

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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so final build Arthur w/ Arti attack and Aphro dash

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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that's arthur speedruns in a nutshell

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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im on switch so i dont think im on the current patch

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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dont think anything has been changed for arthur since 1.0 release

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:08 AM

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oh nice

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any recommened hammer for that build?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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shadowslash and big aura

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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oh yay i love big arua

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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double nova with athena special makes you practically invincible during your special

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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oh that does sound strong

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:10 AM

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and it opens up the possibility to get deadly reversal

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which is insanely good with divine dash on arthur

opaque wren Dec 6, 2020, 12:12 AM

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thanks for the help, gonna run it now

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:15 AM

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do the devs know how absurdly broken artemis is?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:16 AM

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i think they do

it comes at the cost of no utility and less mob consistency though

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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artemis basically precludes priv status but yes she is best girl

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Artemis is definitely not broken

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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she also trades for lower base damage AND average adjusted damage unless you get secondary boons

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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i think i mathed out that on attack with no heartrend its only slightly ahead of aphro

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:17 AM

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You can get the marked status for that, however it's unreliable at best

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:18 AM

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it isnt even slightly ahead of aphro

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im pretty sure she's well behind until you get secondary boons

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but her T2 boons are just insane

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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||i just beated carion|| no brain required in no time with artemis + auto bow
i feel like with hermes for example he has some mediocre boons but then ones like the multi dash one are busted as hell

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:19 AM

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hermes isnt really a fair comparison since hermes functions more like hammers than he does like another god

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but yeah i think artemis is one of the best gods to have in your pool at any given time

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:20 AM

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common attack artemis average out at 156%, aphro at 150%
unless i messed up the math (i probably did)

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of course, aphro opens up PS

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and weak is strong

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:22 AM

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common deadly strike is 20%

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common heartbreak strike is +50%

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you should add +30% for crit i believe

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:22 AM

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And has the highest +% damage up of all olympians (aphrodite)

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:22 AM

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or adjusted avg crit

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disparity gets worse with rarity for artemis vs aphro

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at common they're tied when you adjust for average crit

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that being said i am still a fan of deadly > heartbreak

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:23 AM

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my math was 120(1+(0.15*2))

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:23 AM

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just got sub 20 with build i was talking about

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:23 AM

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same

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:23 AM

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whats the current record?

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:24 AM

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oh meh i think you're actually right

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but adjusted per rarity it's still worse without t2 boons i think

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:24 AM

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probably

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:24 AM

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The math doesn't look right

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:24 AM

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just bigger upside and heart rend/DR/splitting headache all shift it in favor of deadly strike for me

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:24 AM

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i'm not really bothering since all the tier 2 boon and duo will obviously put her ahead

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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there's no saving tempest strike though

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that's one thing for sure

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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ngl
i dodged poseidon whenever i can

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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he has good boons

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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but the dude sometimes haunt me all the way to elysium

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

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his attack jsut isn't one of them

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make sure you're filling out your god pool too if you're trying to dodge certain gods

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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i want the... call and cast right?

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Dash is also great

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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hydraulic might, tidal dash, call, rip current, all insane boons

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breaking wave if you already have the dash

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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dash is great
but it aint divine

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dusa

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:26 AM

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it's better on low heat imo

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damage > safety

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Indeed, as someone who did boonless zag bow for fun recently I can attest to that

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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is that... fun?

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Not having any damage on dash sucked for breaking pots klinkLUL

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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does dedalus count as boons? i remember a good calling them that

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I found it fun :3

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They don't

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Doing a run boonless and hammeless sounds painful ngl

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:28 AM

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hey i enjoy first run

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i guess you get boons

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no hammers kind of is what it is

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:30 AM

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First run is probably something I'll not be good at but sounds like a fun challange nonetheless

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:32 AM

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it is a blast

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:34 AM

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first run i got up to hades

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with the lifesteeling sword

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:35 AM

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that isnt possible

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you dont get hammers until after the first run

proven osprey Dec 6, 2020, 12:36 AM

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4th run I believe?

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:37 AM

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oh thought u were talking first boonless run

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 12:40 AM

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What's the best boon theme?

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Entirely subjective

dim bobcat Dec 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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~~wrong, it's athena's deflect~~

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Are the diamond decorations contracts unlock story?

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Yes, the contracts are for story

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Most decorations are cosmetic
The contracts are for story

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Well, the work orders also help for in run stuff

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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anything under "work orders" is usually gameplay changing in some way (some more than others obviously)

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Persephone's keepsake: good or bad?

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I usually value poms pretty low but if you run w it all the way to Styx I feel it would stack pretty nicely

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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i dont think it's very good

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I believe every other category are cosmetic only

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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And for themes, I like infinite and lovely? (The pink themed one)

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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pom blossom usually doesnt make a difference in styx anyway

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Yeah the game is very nice and forthcoming about what is cosmetic and whats gameplay

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I like stygian and woodland the best, I think

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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if you need poms in styx that means you haven't been pomming the right things up until then

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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halcyon solstice Persephone's keepsake: good or bad?

It's ok, but I prefer two god keepsakes and then the acorn over it

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:43 AM

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woodland is for gamers of culture

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what quothe said yeah

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unless youre doing a cast build

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Most games are kinda cryptic or require X level of skill to get through but Hades is v generous and honest w the players

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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cast builds really want hourglass

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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oh yeah, charon's for cast builds absolutely

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Because there's no guarantee you'll get extra casts from chaos or artemis

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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It was very relieving not having to worry about finding or unlocking secrets

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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And + casts from chaos if RNGesus is kind

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Since I usually houns every game I get into for every little hidden detail

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So per bloss9m not too high value then, good to know

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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uses 2 boon rerolls

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chaos still doesn't offer +1 bloodstone for cast build

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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oh god fully loaded is a myth

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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I'll still probably max all the trinkets but I've got a small handful I rely on

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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a myth i say

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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poms usually fall off pretty quickly too

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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||Blossom|| is fun, especially early but in styx it's not usually worth

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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things like the harm are kinda story tho right

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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the number of beowulf win screens i have with support fire and pressure points is staggering

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:45 AM

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opal lodge the number of beowulf win screens i have with support fire and pressure points i...

100% this

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Yeah, I get support fire and pressure points a lot, still no artemis legendary

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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fully loaded is just not real if you need mirage shot

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I think I've gotten it.... twice throughout my entire playthrough

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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and exit wounds is obviously for poseidon sword

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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its so much to ask for from artemis

pliant anvil Dec 6, 2020, 12:46 AM

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and once was on a non-cast build

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 12:48 AM

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I feel like Aphrodite and Poseidon offer me their legendary relatively frequently, while Athena and Artemis, I just have bad luck

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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In the nighty night update artemis was even harder to get her legendary from

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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athena legendary kinda overrated imo

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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does the bouldy ambiguity bonus do anything?

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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some legendaries are just insane while others are kind of just eh

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:49 AM

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severe ingot does the bouldy ambiguity bonus do anything?

depends. do you think it does anything

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 12:50 AM

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should've believed in bouldy more buddy

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:50 AM

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As it required 2 specific t2 boons and you couldn't have a non embedding cast as one of the 2 requirements was exit wounds

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:50 AM

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gz

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that is quite a lot

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:51 AM

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It was before dual shot became mirage shot too

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The other requirement

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 12:52 AM

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dual shot sounds like it was nuts

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 12:52 AM

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It was at heroic it was 35%

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 12:59 AM

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also im not quite sure i understand the diference between a boon level and rarity

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are they the same but rarities are rarer and better?

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Levels have diminishing returns, rarity affects the base

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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^

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also poms increases are the same across rarity

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so the rarity base change diminishes with more poms

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er

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it doesnt diminish

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but it's less felt

untold vortex Dec 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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So you can still make a common boon do lots of damage it however takes more work to get to that point

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:34 AM

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what's the best keepsake? the butterfly?

solid crown Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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depends on the point of the game

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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usually people go
god -> god/athena -> hourglass/acorn -> acorn

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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okay

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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butterfly is not very good

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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what's teh best way to start off a run

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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god

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:35 AM

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i start with athena

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personally

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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divine dash from the first room is a p good carry

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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i've taken liking to athena start recently

solid crown Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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if you have no coin at the start, hypnos keepsake for a start is good, then depending on the damage you have taken i would go with either dusa or cerberus, and at the end skelly

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I've been teaching myself how to play without it though

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acorn>>>tooth

solid crown Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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the acorn is the last keepsake, right?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:36 AM

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no, eurydice

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:37 AM

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guess I gotta beat hades for those then

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:37 AM

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nah, you just gotta meet eurydice

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:37 AM

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the tree lady

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:37 AM

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the two endgame keepsakes... aren't that great
one used to be the speedrun special but idk if its still good

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:38 AM

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yeah 1.37 changed some stuff

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after tartarus, should I switch my athena keepsake?

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Yeah, you got your guaranteed one boon from her

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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yeah it doesn't really have a use after it spawns the god you want

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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okay, and divine dash is athenas best boon I supose

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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divine dash is just the best boon

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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she also grants reflect on standard attack, idk if thats's worth it

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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issa crutch

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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turbid needle issa crutch

right, I thought so as well

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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deflect attack is really good on fists

rare kindle Dec 6, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Try deflect on bow special

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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deflect attack fists is still super good

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especially on dem fists with art special

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for DR

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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can you dash though attacks in this game? I notice that sometimes I get hit and others not

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even with divine dash

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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you can

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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ok

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:41 AM

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but dash attack cancels the invul period

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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^

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you have to empty dash to retain invuln

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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oh

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dang thats hella good to know

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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mmmmm deadly flourish demeter

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I love that especially with rush kick

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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lol

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nice save

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 1:42 AM

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this is especially noticeable against dad where you can dash attack in and then empty dash during his swings

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:43 AM

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it took me a while to learn that

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bc I took divine dash like every run

versed spoke Dec 6, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I didn't get divine dash this run, I got the reflect attack, I'm thinking I should start over

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I'm using sword btw

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I'ma just kill ma self

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would you guys say the 1.37 update changed the game for the worse or for the better

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 1:46 AM

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i like the change

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except the seastorm one i guess

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but i never do seastorm anyway so eh

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I think it's a good update

sage carbon Dec 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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Whats the game plan with chaos shield? I always feel like dmg is lacking by elysium

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Shield is def my worst weapon

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Id say for DPS always go for zeus special imo

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If you prefer privileged status or status builds more, then probably go for either aphro or dio tbh

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Dash and cast can be whatever, just mostly important for the attack and special

sage carbon Dec 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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So chaos wants to special?

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Yep

sage carbon Dec 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Hmm ok, I'll try those

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I tried Zeus and didnt seem too good tbh

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Yeah, i would also prefer maybe ares attack

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For extra dps

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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zeus is good on special

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if you dont like zeus special do ares special

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nyaanyaa likes aphro special

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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y'all got any tips for FO2 EM3 Asterius?

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it's his rush in particular that i don't know how to deal with

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is it just a matter of dashing at the right time?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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your flow with chaos shield is bullrush -> special -> dash attack -> bullrush -> special

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Idk what people prefer for chaos on hammers but i will mostly recommend charge shot and a hammer that makes bull rush faster

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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my fav is explosive return

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I love charge shot

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 2:26 AM

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turbid needle it's his rush in particular that i don't know how to deal with

ok so for the rush

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his turning radius is absolutely bonkers

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so plant yourself near a wall, instead of a pillar

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and then just matador him

left oak Dec 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I'm not the biggest fan of Charge Shot mostly because I like the special as an attack and movement option in one

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I'm more out here for Dread Flight

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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opal lodge ok so for the rush

thanks! i was dashing through pillars, that must've been the problem

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he was just circling around me nonstop

sullen valley Dec 6, 2020, 2:31 AM

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opal lodge so plant yourself near a wall, instead of a pillar

O^O
Yes.
Yes.

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 2:33 AM

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charged shot is amazing

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dread flight doesnt affect the other shields

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only the initial one

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Yeah, charged shot can be a chad against EM2 hydra and EM3 theseus

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:00 AM

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charged shot is just big dmg

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if you need the mobility then yeah

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maybe not best option

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but its sooo much damage

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:08 AM

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wait does charged flight affect the other shields?

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 3:08 AM

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em is the boss booster heat thing?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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yep

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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i didnt spect theseus and minotaur to be so easy

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with it

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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surprise right lol

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the minotaur becomes harder imo

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but theseus becomes free

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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exactly

devout ether Dec 6, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Only EM4 is a change large enough to affect how you want to walk into the fight

severe ingot Dec 6, 2020, 3:10 AM

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wait si that unlocked by default?

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:11 AM

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you cant get charged flight on chaos iirc

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:12 AM

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ouch

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:27 AM

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I'm getting a little frustrated on like heat 11 w gloves spent the blood and still not proccing the Asterius conversation to get fourth aspect, he just keeps talking about his EM3 armor

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that or I get butterfly ball room T.T

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:28 AM

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what's your pact setup

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for 11 heat on fists I'd do EM2 DC2 TD3

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but thats bc im pretty comfy with td3

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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I'm on TD2 rn

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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how quickly do you usually finish runs

still wraith Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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I'd say if you're solely truing to unlock the hidden aspect do low heat

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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I think I'm EM3 TD2 and id have to open it back up to see anything else that's there if any

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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under or around 20 min

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:30 AM

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dang misty

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20 min is my best run but for me it's usually 25+

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:31 AM

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if you can consistently do 15-18 i'd recommend TD3

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otherwise probably not

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TD2 seems fine

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fists deal with JS1 pretty well

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I like going fast

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:31 AM

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me too

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:31 AM

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I haven't struggled going up the heat ranks thus far surprisingly, though I'm only doing so w fists since it's my main wep and I'm tryna get aspect of gilg

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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TD3 just seems tough for people who dont have full mirror/weapons

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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not a fan of gilg

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I'm on heat 1-2 w everything else and still haven't beaten a run at 0 heat with sword lol

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I beat 1 run with it and decided I did not like it

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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to be fair I've only used the sword like 3 times ever and those were my first few runs

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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sword?

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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sord....

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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the stygian blade they start you with

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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oh man nemesis is cool though

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sort of

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can be

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I have 35 sword clears and all of the other ones are <5

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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OH

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I like the idea of gilg bc of that sweet maim percent extra damage

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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i thought you meant you didnt like sword

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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no

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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that makes more sense

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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combine that w the green side mirror talent for dashes that makes you do more damage when you dash right before hit

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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yeah sword is sick

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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I am swordperson

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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put some privileged status and boiling blood

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man

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:33 AM

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just can struggle at higher heats

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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poor arthur

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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priv status is kind of eh

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imo

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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for real? priv status is a godsend

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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it's 40% additive damage

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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it has its niche

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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probably feels like a lot more when your build doesnt have enough damage

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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it's almost never hard to get 2 statuses in my experience and the extra damage helps clear so much faster

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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family favorite is additive too but is better in general

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:35 AM

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but my main thing with priv status is that it means you arent taking artemis one of your primary dps gods

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I like not having to worry too much about applying statuses

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:35 AM

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its amazing when your build gets it for free imo
but not something i will go out of my way to activate

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:35 AM

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which is, imo, a mistake

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:35 AM

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thats not necessarily true

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you can get a status applying special and a dash that applies something like demeter or dionysus

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then get arty for your attack and extra boons

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even your cast if u want

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:36 AM

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you can, but that's a lot of work and there's usually something more optimal

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my main point

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:36 AM

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I was gonna say I wanted a 100 dmg zag cast as a boon but that's basically just Artemis cast

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:36 AM

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is that instead of taking statuses to get +40% additive,

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just go for a build that will get you more damage than that +40% additive

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:37 AM

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can't think of many that would exceed that relative to what the status builds will already give you save like a full crit arty build

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:37 AM

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it's only 40% additive

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many builds beat that with synergy alone

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:37 AM

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also consider all of the statuses also do damage save chill and weak

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oh wait and exposed

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my b

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:37 AM

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...its actually just +15% if you compare it to family fav

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which is just

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free

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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family fav only gets to 10

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since you can only have 4 dif gods

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unless hermes and chaos count

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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maxed it's +5% per

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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oh wait really?

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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i feel like we talk about priv status at least once a week

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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ok yeah family favorite is just better lol

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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i always take PS for beo w/ aphro cast

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and whenever i feel funny and run dio chiron

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:38 AM

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it's always fun to revisit this and then realize that literally no one uses it at high heat or speedrunning

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i will say it again

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PS always feels like more than it is if your build isn't strong

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+40% is relative

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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wait what's the speedrun meta for beo

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i thought its aphro cast

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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aphro cast/dio cast is preferred

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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dio cast beo :D

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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aphro cast is probably more consistent

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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with aphro cast PS is free right?

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:39 AM

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really? I was watching some a guide from haelian and he recommended PS pretty strongly and said he always takes it, but I guess that is just one guy

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:40 AM

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i dont think haelian takes PS unless he's building for it but if he said it in a video he said it

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:40 AM

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cosmic hornet with aphro cast PS is free right?

it is, and i'm a bit torn on it, but iirc even bablo doesnt use it

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 3:41 AM

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huh
i'll check bablo's runs

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I've gotten pre used to the two status playstyle but I'm not opposed to trying family favorite and going something with higher synergy or maybe arty based I suppose

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:41 AM

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meta for beowulf is a bit strange because a ton of people use stygian + dio cast, but WR is with aphro cast + infernal soul

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:41 AM

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I always try to learn and experiment in these types of games anyhow so it's a good opportunity to do so w some otehr weapons

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:42 AM

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the thing with arty is that crits are just too good

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at least at low heat

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crits are the only source of multiplicative damage

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so she will show up in almost every single fast/high dps build

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 3:43 AM

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hunter's mark do be detonating rooms

static karma Dec 6, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I personally have more success with Beowulf with aphro cast + infernal soul

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just load up all 3 and release

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:52 AM

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😠

static karma Dec 6, 2020, 3:52 AM

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also weak helps because it reduces how bad me getting hit is

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a bit

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:53 AM

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reposting more stygian beowulf propaganda

static karma Dec 6, 2020, 3:53 AM

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and I feel more justified running priveliged status

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:53 AM

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https://imgur.com/SgKxBGv

Imgur

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dang why my link break

static karma Dec 6, 2020, 3:56 AM

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stygian seems very chaos reliant to me

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but idk

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 3:57 AM

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it is

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but the damage scaling is just nuts

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also instant phasing dad is v satisfying

unkempt pagoda Dec 6, 2020, 3:59 AM

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mmph... hrm, hrm.

solid grail Dec 6, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Hey everyone I was just looking for some recommendations on alternative builds for the shield of chaos aspect of chaos. I have used the doom special and it works amazingly but I just wanted to have a go at something different

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Zeus special works wonderfully for the Chaos aspect of shield

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If you want a bit of a different playstyle, you could try to go for Artemis special shotguns

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 4:12 AM

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i dont know why ive had to defend zeus special chaos shield so much recently lol

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it's good i swear

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ive played this weapon a lot

sullen valley Dec 6, 2020, 4:17 AM

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opal lodge https://imgur.com/SgKxBGv

BRUH

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:19 AM

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i'd like stygian dio beo better if chaos would actually cooperate for once

sullen valley Dec 6, 2020, 4:20 AM

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I just feel like Stygian isn’t meant for Poseidon and Hera at all.

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I’m still gonna whine about Hera’s upgradeable trait and Poseidon’s main trait hindering Stygian.

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:31 AM

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cursed slash arthur is sick

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I hate Stygian... hard to use... I take so much dmg.. I usually always have to go with weak based builds

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:32 AM

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I've always been a fists guy myself

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zag fists w greater evasion and athena dash is pre choice

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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|| Talos fists || amazing

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Oh no worries friend, spoilers allowed in this chat

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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for stygian you want to dash attack

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a lot

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like

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Mag's with Knockback.. is just Brutal In Elysium

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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never normal attack

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i used it as a weird bow with human ammo

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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stygian... soul?

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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ok

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:33 AM

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sword i think

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by it i mean

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nemesis

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:34 AM

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imagine playing actual sword

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and not chad poseidon cast

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:34 AM

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funny way to spell arthur

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:34 AM

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lol

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:34 AM

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btw

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one thing i don't get playing poseidon

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is how do i make zeus cast stick to bosses

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sometimes its stuck

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sometimes it just

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bounce

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 AM

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i've never tried zeus cast, to be honest

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 AM

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blow them kisses

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 AM

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is it wonky as well?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 AM

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it works amazing on rooms

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:35 AM

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i like arty so i can just

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shoot and forget

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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arty is too slow in rooms for me

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Zues Cast is good.. I don't know why people underate it..

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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arty is slow, yeah

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i don't think it's underrated

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Jolt on a Zues cast

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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I think most the casts if not all are pretty serviceable

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just preference/build really

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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i feel like an underrated one would be aphro's

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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i don't like aphro's

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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tried achilles with it, got some beeg damage

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:36 AM

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though I do value art cast pretty high for boiling blood

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Not a fan of Art's cast.. but like his duo's

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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ares cast hunting blades is fun

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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so try to maybe attack with art

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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artemis' cast is imo the best cast if you're not doing cast runs

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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I had a run the other day I wish I recorded

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got hunting blades in like asphodel

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and just kept gettiong boons that buffed it

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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Hunting Blades is a great build.. had it last night

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it's sick

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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because its a lodging cast and you can use it to find hiding enemies

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:37 AM

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increased size for blades, pulls enemies in, more cast damage

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it was

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INSANITY

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 4:38 AM

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arty cast on poseidon has really grown on me

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Art's duo's are amazing..

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:38 AM

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artemis is amazing

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boons and character

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:38 AM

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yeah.. some good builds with him

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her

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I think she gets slept on when people are brand new to the game bc the abilities aren't as flashy or immediately noticeable as others for the most part

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but the damage arty brings to the table is super good

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 4:39 AM

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him

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:39 AM

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hey.. what do you think about hangover builds?

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only recently got into them...

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they amazing tooooo

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:39 AM

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its fun

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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thats the builds that I got my perfect clear on

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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I usually use hangover with status builds, in which most people use hangover for

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It quite fun tbh

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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i still need someone to math out chaos shield with dio vs chaos shield with zeus shadegrief

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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choas sheild with hangover on special.... loads of fun

halcyon solstice Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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hangover dash is mvp with my usual fist playstyle

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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my small brain can't do it

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Yep, i usually use hangover on chaos

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:41 AM

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my gut feeling is chaos shield with dio works better on bosses

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:41 AM

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@cosmic hornet get on the chaos shield.. and start with Dio and get hangover on special.. and the rest will just work itself out.. lol.. you'll love it

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:43 AM

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I know it works
but what i want to know is how it fares compared to the alternative whenlifegetsatyou

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:43 AM

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am... not sure about that... I'm still new myself.. only playing since steam release.. but that Perfect Clear I got today... was on that weapon and build set... it's too good

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I think I might end up going for my 32 heat statue with that build...

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:45 AM

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goodluck!

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:46 AM

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not now.. lol.. but soon

woven delta Dec 6, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Speaking of Dio and shield, would that work as well on Zeus aspect?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:46 AM

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i feel like the pulse is too slow for it

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well, it should work

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but i'm not sure if it will work well

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:47 AM

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ohhhh.. get Zues on that blade.. Zues on Zues Blade Disc is amazing.. but

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Ares and Blade disc with Dash.. is just.. room killers

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then go for hunting blades as well...

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:48 AM

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i think zeus on zeus is better on room clear but i'm not 100% sure

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:48 AM

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it's hard to hit the right boons

woven delta Dec 6, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I know Zeus on Zeus is good from what I've heard, I just thought about whether it'd work with Dio too

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I've got it a couple of times... but usually about 50/50 if I get the right boons going for such a build

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but it's AWEESOME

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 4:49 AM

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problem with ares imo is sometimes the doom just.. doesn't activate before enemies dies or just overkills the enemies/armor

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Then that's playstyle.. can you transition your style.. slow down.. and let the boons work for you...

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don't force it

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I get it.. sometimes I stop playing.. then come back.. then not knowing what style I'm playing..

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Doom is amazing.. when used right..2 builds.. either Doom on A or S.. or Discs on Cast and Dash.. either way....you can make some heavy dmg builds

royal helm Dec 6, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Dio tends to be pretty bad DPS

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It is consistent, though

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Dio also doesn't really have almost any further boons that scale hangover damage, except the legendary

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And that forces you into Trippy Shot

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:55 AM

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you get the Weak duo from Aphro... and the duo makes Doom do consistent dmg.. while giving you great defense.. your'll like a tank as well

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Duo's a curse don't forget.. you'll get then the bonus from the Mirror as well

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Hangover is a cuse I mean

royal helm Dec 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I think you wind up pushing a lot more damage with Zeus on Zeus aspect... since it ticks at a rate of .3s so you get full value (it won't ever hit the ICD)

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So is jolted as well, but it's the cost of two boons instead of 1

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:58 AM

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:D.. there is loads of builds that work.. it's why I love this game...

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everything works

royal helm Dec 6, 2020, 4:58 AM

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jolted procs slightly more in FO1/2 as well

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Jolt is bad ass

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I try to get Zues on cast... with Jolt

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that or Posidon's knockback...

royal helm Dec 6, 2020, 5:01 AM

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And the math behind DPS is ... a little complex because you have to know base animation times for stuff...
And I haven't seen that personally, maybe someone has gone into the code and pulled it out

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But at face value, I can't imagine Dio pushing more dps than Zeus... Chiron bow tends to be the best Dio applicator

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And it's not bad... it's just also not great

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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I don't like to use the word DPS when playing Hades.. I've been a long time rpg and 20 years playing the Guild Wars franchise... DPS is something that Hades does very cute.... it's one of the reasons I love it so much

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for the most part.. you just have to do damage... straight and narrow.. but the actual Damage Per Second.. is based solely on your play style

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that's a good thing... makes your run's more dynamic... how often can you transition into a build the game offers.. it's just amazing... never played a game like it before...

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it's like playing a RPG.. with the speed of an FPS.. and the joys of a Roguelike... and just well... I've played Supergiant's previous games.. but this.. is just... something else..

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 5:24 AM

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You might as well say that Hades might be the next step to future roguelike games

spiral tree Dec 6, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I've been waiting for a game like hades my entire life lol

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forgetting everything else, just on a basic fundamental level the combat and the immediacy of the boons is just...different than anything else

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It's fast paced and so satisying but there is also so much variety in playstyle and powers it has all the number crunching RPG goodness but does not sacrifice the visceral pleasure of fast action games

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I've played dozens of roguelikes and none I can think of play anything close to hades

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closest comparison would be neurovoider or risk of rain 1

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and those do not come close lol

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 5:31 AM

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I think my first roguelike game was minecraft dungeons

spiral tree Dec 6, 2020, 5:31 AM

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lol

weak violet Dec 6, 2020, 5:31 AM

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It was quite fun with the game at first but got tooo boring once i finished the dlc

dry ember Dec 6, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I guess minecraft is a roguelite yeab

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:36 AM

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who has the best boon for defense and not taking dmg since i spam dash alot and when get hit on the 3rd floor i get hit by the wagons or archers it hits hard

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:36 AM

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athena

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athena is the best for active defense, aphrodite for passive defense

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demeter to some extent also helps

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:37 AM

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which god is aphrodite

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:37 AM

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heart

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weak

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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dementer?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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demeter is granny

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she's not available from the start

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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yeah gotten out at least 7 or 6 times

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i've used her for the chill affect

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:39 AM

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yep

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for damage avoidance athena is as good as it gets tbh

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athena dash

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:40 AM

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what does hades mostly offer he just offensive

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:40 AM

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he turns you invisible, i haven't personally used him but i think it should stop the AI from chasing you?

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:41 AM

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his call makes you turn into a blade rift that makes your invulruable and deals dmg

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:41 AM

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..that's ares

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:41 AM

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oh yeah

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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and its not that good, since you can push out more dps within athena's invul period or poseidon's

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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does hades give keepstakes

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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whats the boon that the blade rift draws in enemies?

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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uhhh

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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engulfing vortex

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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engulfing vortex

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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yeah.. thats amazing

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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ye

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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black metal makes them do damage in a larger area

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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pff.. then hunting blades on top..

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hell of a build

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:43 AM

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yep

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but in terms of defense he really doesn't provide much

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Glass Canon... or Tank..

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:43 AM

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or be arthur

ripe glade Dec 6, 2020, 5:44 AM

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not played much with it.. did a few runs.. I did like it.. but not.. played much with it..

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:47 AM

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though honestly the thing that saves my butt in elysium lately is stubborn defiance

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even on low heats

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because those pesky archer will inevitably snipe you from your blind spots

frail schooner Dec 6, 2020, 5:47 AM

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elysium is so different with BP0

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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what's the best wepon for a artemis build

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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wdym

sly grail Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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because i use her boons like all the time

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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...all of them except chaos shield

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or rails

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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uhh artemis is a very generalist god

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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cosmic hornet or rails

hestia and spread fire like arty

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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oh yes

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all of them

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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you basically want artemis on any high damage/high speed build

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:48 AM

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oh wait fists also prefer zeus

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but yeah

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:49 AM

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crits make big number

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:49 AM

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bright

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hi

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:49 AM

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hi cin

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:49 AM

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opal lodge you basically want artemis on any high damage/high speed build

nemesis is a good example of this

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:50 AM

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i... actually prefer aphro atttack on nemesis

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of course i want to stick artemis in there somewhere for all the crit boon

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I prefer artemis, it has the potential to scale better

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:51 AM

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on nemesis?

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:51 AM

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but maybe that's because I always used that in speedruns

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:51 AM

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i hope ares call gets changed

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:51 AM

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aphro is definitely better without any tier 2 boons, but artemis outscales it

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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well, you're the speedrunner so chances are your opinion is more accurate than mine

but with nemesis' innate crit chance i feel like going for maximum damage is the way to go

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Nyaa is a high heat expert and she thinks aphro is better

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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i still want artemis in there for clean kill and the heartrend

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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so i dunno

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they're both viable

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:52 AM

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doesn't nyaa just

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pick aphro

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because its aphro

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Artimes is faster, aphro is safer, i think

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:53 AM

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blueshrug

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yeah sounds about right

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this also applies to zag bow

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:54 AM

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the thing is. even if aphro does more "dps" on avg.
It can still take more hits to kill on avg, as the crit is less consistent.

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And usually with backstab/boilingblood etc on, the advantage aphro has for damage goes away.

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im not the a realy speedy boi, but my fastest time is a artimes nem sword with 11.10.10

solid cairn Dec 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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that's not that bad

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that's faster than my first attempt at speed

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:57 AM

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did the math on common boon
its 12% difference with aphro coming on top

but yeah now that i think about it all the bonus to crit will scale better with crit chance

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:57 AM

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yea. but once you include boiling blood and stuff..

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:57 AM

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yep

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artemis still the way to go

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Like math wise, nem benefits less from artemis compared to other things since it already has crit.

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:58 AM

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depends on what you are looking for

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Artemis also gives hunter's mark which pairs really well.

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 5:59 AM

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saying that nem wants aphro attack ignores that nem also REALLY wants hunter dash

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and hunter dash really mitigates the difference between aphro/artemis attack

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 5:59 AM

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the premise was that we're going for heartrend either way

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oh yeah

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the %bonus from hunter dash huh

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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does picking shackle reduce your chance at getting strikes and stuff?

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feels that way to me 😐

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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not to mention chaos and stuff

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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it shouldnt

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Hmm. confirmation bias i guess

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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chaos dash strike/attack boons decrease the difference even further

cosmic hornet Dec 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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well not that i mind being wrong
more chances to see arte is always welcome pepelove

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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and since crit is multiplied after the attack modifiers, more chances to crit are always better

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they can both be effective

junior sail Dec 6, 2020, 6:18 AM

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ok I have a question about mirror builds

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I am outputting plenty of damage (or at least I think so), but my survivability is not great. so as it stands now, I have abilities 2, 6, and 9 flipped to green, and I haven't unlocked the bottom two yet (30 keys)

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any recommendations?

spiral tree Dec 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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fated persuasion>>>>>>>

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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chthonic vitality is better than you think

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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he hasan't unlcoked

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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dark regen is better imo if you're still going for clears

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since you can get healing from a ton of different sources

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and troves are twice as likely to be healing

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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true

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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i basically only run cthonic now but that's because i want to keep high confidence up

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I guess I just like the consistency of chthonic

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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always forget that pesky first H

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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like trying to spell chthulhu

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got it wrong

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Cthulhu

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why is it spelled chthonic if its pronounced thonic

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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@junior sail ideally ability 6 is changed depending on what cast you're going for

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if you're not running a cast build i usually like it green

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ability 9 green means ur educated

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ability 10 should be green though

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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also change 6 depending on which fated list boon you still need from hermes UwU.

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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dark foresight is insanely good

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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he hasn't unlocked

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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i thought they had everything except bottom two

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dark foresight is number 10

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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also infernal soul has chance at lightning rod, which can be really handi

junior sail Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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@opal lodge yeah that's what I'm saying: 2,6,9 green everything else is purp

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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or number 10

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you want green 10

junior sail Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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and why 10 green? not that I disagree, just curious the rationale

turbid needle Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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wait do you guys remember the mirror abilities in order

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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it's +20% room rewards

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no i have my HUD open

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so run specific rewards

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like poms, health, boons

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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You just get lots more boon/heart/coin rooms which makes you stronger.

junior sail Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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ohh gotcha. so switch that if you're doing resource vs clear runs

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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are separate from meta rewards

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like darkness/gems/keys

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yeah

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once you clear all resources you basically just always have dark foresight on

river wing Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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The impact is really huge, being 20% and the way it is calculated

junior sail Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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yeah, I've got to final boss with 3 different weapons only dying once at most, so I feel like I have firm grasp on mechanics, I just can't outlast both phases of the fight

opal lodge Dec 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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lamb mentioned this the other day but it does the most extreme interpretation of what it says on the tooltip