#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 763

deep topaz Dec 5, 2020, 1:14 AM

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got the wombo combo earlier, that stuff's not joking

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Eris + Artemis 5 rocket volley

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I love the rocket shotgun

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with poseidon on special it gets silly amounts of knockback too 😛

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artemis is obviously better damage

deep topaz Dec 5, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Sounds like a lot of fun in Styx

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Enemies just bouncing around walls and stuff

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 1:29 AM

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ya

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 1:33 AM

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When your about to die from dad and you get the clutch charm

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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😄

opaque wren Dec 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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I need a good spear build for 13 heat, any recommonations

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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achilles + cast build is pretty good for most heat

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can be played very safe

opaque wren Dec 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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which cast boon do you recommend?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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dio or demeter

warm snow Dec 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Flurry Jab Drunken Strike

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Demeter or Ares cast (3 stones)

sturdy scaffold Dec 5, 2020, 2:58 AM

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whats a good way to build for guan yu?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I spend my time hoping for the fast charge special hammer

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Depends on what Hammer you get in Tartarus.

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Quick Spin, Athena Attack and Artemis whatever for Deflecting spins that proc crits.

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Charged Skewer, Artemis Special (really Artemis Special on both) and get Aphrodite in there somewhere for mondo crits.

sturdy scaffold Dec 5, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I see

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Thankies

solid grail Dec 5, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Other than zeus attack does anyone have any good recommendations for making aspect of lucifer builds

pseudo stream Dec 5, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I do the same as my other rail builds, personally, and spam both pretty hard haha

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 4:25 AM

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solid grail Other than zeus attack does anyone have any good recommendations for making aspe...

Go for athena attack since arthur has a very wide range attacking while projectiles are slowed down by the hallowed ground, really the rest are your preference, thats pretty much the most important part for Arthur imo

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Talkin to evilcandy, as obviously shown

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But yeah, my mirror perks that i will always have normally would death defiance, greater reflex, dark regeneration, boiling blood, and most likely dark foresight

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Ooooooh

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 4:29 AM

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if you dont like aspect of lucifer zeus attack you could go dio attack @solid grail

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 4:29 AM

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I thought they said arthur lmao

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 4:29 AM

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go dio attack and try to get artemis/aphro in your pool

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dark foresight is basically a must pick

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Now the rest is for builds

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 4:30 AM

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persuasion is usually also liked

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fiery/shadow depends on the weapon imo

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Yeah

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Heavy weapons for me would be fiery

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Yesh

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Same, but it just costs too much bouldy

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 4:32 AM

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um

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depends on what you're trying to do

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survive? probably dark regen

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go fast? cthonic vitality

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doesnt matter for high heat since healing is off LUL

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 4:35 AM

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i like spamming attacks so arthur feels so slow to me but it is super strong

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Shadow Slash Arthur

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Any of you guys silly enough to do high heat on god mode?

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 4:40 AM

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uhhhh me

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I'm still on godmode but only up till 5 heat and only up to 54%

warm snow Dec 5, 2020, 5:03 AM

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feral sail i like spamming attacks so arthur feels so slow to me but it is super strong

I like spamming attack by dash striking. Also spamming special for the aura benefits.

rare kayak Dec 5, 2020, 5:15 AM

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gosh

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im trying boonless mirrorless(reset mirror, nothing on except persuasion to reroll boons

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its tough

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:32 AM

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What would y'all say the best Eris Rail starting god?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Zeus

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Assuming on primary?

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or?

cosmic hornet Dec 5, 2020, 5:33 AM

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on attack, yeah

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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zeus attack arty special

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pray for rocket bomb

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:34 AM

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that seems to be very common

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I destroyed with Triple Bomb last time

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:36 AM

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oh right

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Rama doesn't spread damage unless it's vs health

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Arty spec cluster rocket

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I don't like cluster rocket being a thing cause then it's just "Did you roll those two hammers? You win"

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:37 AM

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I like it for exactly that reason

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shotgun go brr

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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yeah, it's fun to use

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but it just means all the other hammer options are crap

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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no

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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everything is comparative

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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also what do you mean rama doesnt spread damage unless it's vs health

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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targeting system is great

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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and yet, compared to shotgun rocket...

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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targeting sys and rocket bomb are still fantastic

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or not rocket

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triple bomb

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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it's a consolation prize

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:38 AM

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if u think of it that way youll never have fun

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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lol my fastest time is with only targeting system

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I'm discussing the design of it 🙂

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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literally didnt get offered a second hammer

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I'm still gonna enjoy the crap out of shotgun rocket when I roll it

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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its like me playing mirrors edge

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it was hard to have fun bc I just wanted to play Titanfall 2

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:39 AM

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not at all like that

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I still have fun with them

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it doesn't make my observation less valid

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:41 AM

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yeah I was still having fun in ME

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it was just like

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I could be playing Titanfall 2

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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it's also a bit different cause Hades is about making do with what you can get each run

cosmic hornet Dec 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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i mean
we're already talking about eris

if rocket shotgun makes all other option crap then all the other weapons are crap lol

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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lmao yeah

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I don't see why you didn't just stop playing ME

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sure

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I agree, tbh

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buff the other weapons

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make Eris incompatible with the rocket hammer, as a nerf to it...

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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bc I wanted to beat it and it was pretty

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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"The rocket blast won't count for Eris so it doesn't select it anymore"

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:43 AM

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and the story was good

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I forgive the gameplay bc its from 2009

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your philosophy on game balance is interesting

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:44 AM

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oh huh

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it's explosive shot not sharing damage, not it hitting armor

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what

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that when a game is all about options, the options should be as close to equal choices as is reasonable within the game's context?

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choices are fun

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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if everything is good then nothing is

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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yes?

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so because Eris is better than everything else, that makes the game better?

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Is that your actual claim here? 😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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what

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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If everything were equally good, then nothing is. That's what you said.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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yeah

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:45 AM

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So if Eris weren't better than everything else...

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Hades would be worse?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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what

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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What?

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I'm trying to reach your conclusion.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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if everything was the same value wise, nothing would be good

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Each option can be situationally better

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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like I pog up when I get a good hammer roll

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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okay but

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that relies on boons, etc.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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bc some of the hammers are buns

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:46 AM

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There's still like, half the hammers you never want

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and that's lame

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they should simply be poor with your current setup

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not ugh why is this even an option

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the boons are a lot closer in general

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you can get a lot of niche use out of them

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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you would Hate binding of isaac lmfao

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:47 AM

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yes?

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there's a reason I'm playing Hades and not binding of isaac

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Isaac is a great game

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and it makes sense some items suck

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but that's just part of it

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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actually

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I honestly don't mind items sucking when they're just random items

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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u gotta have sucky ones to make the good ones spicier

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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in Hades they're presented more as intentional offerings; the hammers are an exception, but I don't think it needs

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see, I disagree.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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if everything is valuable there's no flavor

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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That just feels like a failure of game design

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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issa roguelite

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I don't know, there's bound to be upgrades that suck

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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because you can make things that shine with certain setups, without requiring the remainder to be bad

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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and upgrades that are good

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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sure

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I mean like what would your solution to this be

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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perfect balance is impossible

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but it can be closer

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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remove all the "Bad" boons or buff them?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I'd tweak things that are obviously out of line

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almost never remove. That's a last resort, as it would need a replacement.

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like

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if Eris is way better than other options, why?

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I don't like nerfing, but one option dominating the others is a situation I'd do it

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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because it's unique and has a different playstyle

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Eris was already nerfed in a good ass way

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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All aspects are unique in some way

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Does Eris get really strong with rockets?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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i think they should've kept the 60% nerf

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I beat 32 heat first try with eris lol

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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feels like with its damage multiplication and rockets + shotty, Eris is problematic

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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the 8s to 4s didn't really do much

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you'd still spam special

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I'd disable the rocket hammer from spawning on Eris

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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it makes you need to play more aggressively

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:51 AM

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and then gun in general needs something, or everything else needs buffing

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because gun hits too hard for its range and no draw time

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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so it doesn't really harm the playstyle it's got

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no rocket on eris? no fun allowed :(

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Rail benefits the most from Daedalus upgrades the most IMO

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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if eris is only fun with rockets that's not great yo 😛

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Rocket is allowed on eris

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I know it is

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Eris is fun regardless but like lol

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I was providing an example of something I would do.

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Eris is fun regardless

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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you'd have to work harder to get the buff than you do with rockets

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:52 AM

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I don't think there are any aspects that need one boon or hammer to be "fun"

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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True

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:53 AM

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so that brings its power level down a bit

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by removing something that currently spikes its power kinda nuts

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and it's still a strong, fun aspect

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I don't like doing nerfs like that but that's the kind of thing I'd look for to call something good

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not taking away what makes it unique but making it comparably effective

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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It’s just a little slower

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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My biggest question here is why are you so concerned about nerfs in a SINGLEPLAYER game

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I think depending on your cast it’s just as good

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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would you make it so nemesis cant get double edge

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I'm discussing game design AuraSeven, why not?

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I'm just curious honestly

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Hades is a fun game to theory possibilities about

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and it's so close

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unlike many games

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I can see perfection in it

feral sail Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Why are you so stressed about weapon upgrades in a dating sim tho?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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thats your vision of perfection tho

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It's a little obnoxious, to be honest

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I'm kind of in the opposite camp, my single favorite part of roguelike games is imbalance

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those combos that seem so busted they destroy things

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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ive only been truly screwed by this game once

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Making everything balanced means that nothing sticks out enough for it to be wanting to be picked up for me

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the thrill of getting

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I guess if I wanted to I could take AP2 lol

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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that one item or upgrade

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makes it worth it

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Well

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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like when u get brimstone in isaac mmm

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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I'm not gonna go back and repeat my whole explanation at the start again

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that balance doesn't mean everything is bland

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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There is a difference between balance ia equal playing field

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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game would b too easy

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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and make everything good so nothing can be too good

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:56 AM

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marvel vs. capcom balance

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make every option feel amazing and broken.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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ee

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Then that removes the thrill of those things existing

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Maybe for a little while

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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you don't think certain playstyles will really click with different people?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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then you get used to it

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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but when you realize nothing has that true wow factor compared for EVERYTHING ELSE

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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There will always be different strengths of players.

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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and I do

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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and its like flat EQ

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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this is my playstyle and it seems a few others agree

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:57 AM

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like

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I'm already past that point?

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it's just seeing if I get the combo or not on a given run and working with what I do get, but I don't get this thrill if I put together the broken combo

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the rest of the run is just easy then

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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And good for you

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I'm not trying to deny your point

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I like to dash attack with sword

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I'm just saying it doesn't seem like many people would agree with that

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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then ...

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I'm saying this from my view

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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auraseven to answer your initial question cluster rockets is ideal

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if you get offered attack hammers

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delta and flurry fire are ok

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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I'm pretty sure I wasn't the one that asked that but it is appreciated

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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you generally dont want explosive if you have jolted/if you plan on getting jolted

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hm who asked about eris hammers then

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 5:59 AM

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The one run I've won with eris was with triple bomb

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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oh you asked about starting god

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Yep

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that me

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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yeah zeus is probably the best

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I'm writing this down

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due to me being terribly forgetful

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 AM

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forcing builds does get a bit stale after a bit

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zeus is def the best though

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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that's the kind of thing I mean

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why not make dio/ares slightly stronger options as well for rapid hit builds?

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with different flavors. Absolutely keep Dio being damage over time, and Ares being a delayed strike somehow.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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dio is cool

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:01 AM

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capping at 5 makes it pretty easy to waste damage

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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dio/ares have weapons they're good on

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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limited

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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zeus has weapons it's bad on

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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buff them a little so the pool expands

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I'm not talking crazy huge buffs here; it wouldn't take much

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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zeus on arthur attack, ares on fists attack lmao

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 AM

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zeus on any big hit

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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just set it and forget it

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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why not make dio/ares slightly stronger options as well for rapid hit builds?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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for ares/dio

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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no thoughts head empty

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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you can do both on fists

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drunken strike/curse of agony fists is still really good

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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what's the ares/dio duo again I forgot

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 AM

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faster ticks

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of drunk?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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ye

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don't think ive got that yet

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:04 AM

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kinda neat but awkward to get to because there's few combos you want to put those two together for

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like ... uh. None really.

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I like Ares call well enough but that's just rng if it ends up in my build 😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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lol look what song started playing as I asked that https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/784661573679316992/Screenshot_20201205-000448.jpg

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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man I enjoy rama with explosive shot + ???

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pew

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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melee weapon

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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yus

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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im glad we agree on melee rama

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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this time I picked up point blank shot, but triple shot and double shot also work fine

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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so curse of nausea

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is actually quite interesting to get

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:05 AM

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and arty attack 😄

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:06 AM

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because you can get it with curse of vengeance

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triple/twin shot are the big rama hammers usually

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:06 AM

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I had explosive+twin+bouncing shot w rama

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it was silly

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:06 AM

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I don't really want bouncing

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I can already multi-hit with pierce

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guess you anvil'ed into that though

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brave

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:06 AM

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yeah

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I think I'd anvil more if it let me pick which one to remove

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even if it gave me two randoms

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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triple shot made me realize how much I rely on the little shot indicator

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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there's just too much gamble in the current setup for me 😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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bc it was super disorienting to have 3 of them

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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bah

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melee rama doesn't care about the shot >.>

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if you're drawing that far you're holding it too long!

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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on other aspects

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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oh, yeah

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definitely

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I play w auto aim off so I gotta think

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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whelp accidental mirage shot. Okay.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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its a bit harder but I like being in full control of my attacks

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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k+m?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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ye

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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yeah I'd do auto aim off for that

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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aim assist is wonky on kbm

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I turned off auto aim run 2

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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also attack at cursor + dash at cursor

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my mouse moves a lot lmao

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that's a nope for me

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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aim assist with no aim at cursor is good for rail

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I got hyper light drifter brain

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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since rail is almost hitscan

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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yeah thats ez mode

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I have attack at cursor and not dash at cursor

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also targeting + cluster

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pyog

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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that is quite good too

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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it makes bow a lil weird having both on but I manage

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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positioning seems hard on high heat then

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how do you deal with heightened security and stuff like that if you have dash at cursor

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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...is it wrong that I use poseidon call in 1 bar bursts? Especially if I somehow snag the +duration?

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it's like, 2 hits per bar and it gives me freedom to dodge big swings

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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I simply move my cursor fast

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u got way more directions to dash too

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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gamepad can dodge with pretty fine control

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it's certainly not only 8 directions

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...don't use a dpad

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Bruh misty, so i tried doing that darkness farm you did with the chaos boon and ocean’s bounty, it took three times but i finally got both of them, and got 500+ darkness from dad

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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good stuff

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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if you get lucky

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I've seen 900 darkness from dad, once

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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its so satisfying lol

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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I had two chaos boons (one epic) and poseidon

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it was amazing

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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Honestly tho, especially the 120+ gemstones

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I have an obscene amount of gems rn

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vanquishers keep is so good

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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So apparently you need atleast one heat to activate chaps gates?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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nop

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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huh

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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chaps?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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ur probably thinking of Erebus gayes

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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chaos

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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oh

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sorry my typo failed me

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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gayes

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Chaos Gates do not require any heat

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Only health

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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yeah chaos you just need enough health to open them

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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very surprised at the lack of "gaydes" in this server

weak violet Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Weird, because when i did runs with no heat, i never encountered any chaos gates unless by brain died during that time

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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sometimes they just don't show up

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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^

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speedrun mode when

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😛

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Hermes comments if you have the timer setting on

royal helm Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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turbid needle very surprised at the lack of "gaydes" in this server

You were actually the first... I'm not sure if I should congratulate you or frown deeply

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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lmao

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I think frowning deeply

royal helm Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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I am a man of deep ambivalence

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Aphrodite Boon "Gaydar" when

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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other ways I refer to this game in my head include theydes

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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heh

royal helm Dec 5, 2020, 6:16 AM

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So I laughed and frowned deeply

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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the problem is Hades isn't the gay one

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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because I am a gay they

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:17 AM

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well

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perhaps he is and it's just not game relevant. I'd have to do some research.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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doubt it

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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M'theydes

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Zagayus?

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Zagaygreus

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:19 AM

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sounds like Tisiphone

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:19 AM

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lmao

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Sounds about right

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You have the title of Gay they, I shall obtain bi he

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I just thought of something but im not gonna say it cause its bad lmfao

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wish I could unthink it

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:25 AM

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brain worm

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 6:27 AM

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turbid needle I just thought of something but im not gonna say it cause its bad lmfao

Well thank you for piquing my interest and then play coy, it's cool.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:28 AM

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u dont wanna know

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I'm pretty sure vengeful mood is carrying my current run

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:29 AM

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the afk boon

worthy yoke Dec 5, 2020, 9:12 AM

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hey anyone got a good gun build? I am ✨struggling✨ lmao

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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zeus attack/tidal dash/sea storm on eris

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plus as many zeus enhancement boons as you can find

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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you cant get sea storm off the dash anymore

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so youd have to take flood shot

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 AM

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oh, right

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any core except dash?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 AM

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tbh breaking wave is a more important part of that build anyway

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yeah usually flood shot just because you want artemis special and zeus/dio call

worthy yoke Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 AM

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oh neat thanks guys!

gloomy zenith Dec 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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when is dionises worth taking over something else

frail schooner Dec 5, 2020, 9:54 AM

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that’s the most vague question possible

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what aspect and what build are you trying to do and what’s the “something else”

gloomy zenith Dec 5, 2020, 9:55 AM

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anything else. what weapons/builds is he good on? can his hangover damage be comparable to other builds? i barely even take his boons

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i mainly use nemisis sword, achilles spear, regular shield, hera or chiron bow, and aris or lucifer gun

finite socket Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Chiron Aspect for the bow for example

undone anvil Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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hangover is really good on Chiron special

finite socket Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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It works well with it

undone anvil Dec 5, 2020, 9:56 AM

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especially paired with Aphrodite attack and their duo boon

gloomy zenith Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 AM

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i love aphrodite attack

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i’ll try it out. any other notable builds or weapons for dionises

finite socket Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Festive Fog

gloomy zenith Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 AM

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that’s the boon i usually take from him

undone anvil Dec 5, 2020, 9:57 AM

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maxed out Chiron fires 8 arrows for the special, Aphrodite + Dio duo boon makes it so hangover can stack up to 8 times instead of 5 when the enemy has weak applied

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so it works out super well

finite socket Dec 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Well it's not as great but paired with Demeter and their duo it's great

gloomy zenith Dec 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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cool

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thanks fellas

finite socket Dec 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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That

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And Zeus

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I think you will want to prio Zeus before Demeter since Scintillating Feast makes lightning strike people inside the fog while Ice Wine only inflicts chill

serene zealot Dec 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Which do you guys think is the best boon for Exagryph's triple bombs? 🤔

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Cluster bomb ;p

serene zealot Dec 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I mean boons from the gods XD

heavy sigil Dec 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Oh right am dummy

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Triple bombs you'd want a bit of a nuker boon

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so Artemis special

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the usual

serene zealot Dec 5, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I see :o

plucky grove Dec 5, 2020, 10:42 AM

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hey friendos, I finally got 32 heat cleared and now have to progress with each weapon with low heat (~8 at the most right now) and was thinking of trying out some builds, is there a wiki or tier list of weapon/boon combos somewhere?

plucky grove Dec 5, 2020, 11:09 AM

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recommendations on sword aspect/boon combos for low heat?

serene zealot Dec 5, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Poseidon cast build + demeter cast?

plucky grove Dec 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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i'll give it a shot, ty

opaque hare Dec 5, 2020, 1:30 PM

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can you clear a run with no hammers? i can't remember if i ever did that

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Yes.

languid dagger Dec 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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guys, would Ice Wine be good with Hera? Will explosions happen around the player or around the target?

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:44 PM

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im playing with dash nova more. really like it now. it's so fun and kinda useful

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hera will appear around the target, but it has a delay

languid dagger Dec 5, 2020, 1:46 PM

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so would Ice Wine be good with Hera? Stygian Soul or nah for that one?

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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it's decent. some people prefer not to upgrade the dio cast because of the delay

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Stygian, yes.

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well not "decent'. it's "really good".

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Guys I just got to styx with all DD and good health using the eris aspect with dio on attack and the triple rocket hammer combo... but, my special does not have any boons at all

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I have the dio/aphro duo so I was really hoping for the Aphrodite special, but I didn't get a single Aphrodite boon even though I took the rose through all of Elysium

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At this point, should I just take anything to boost the special? I feel like I need more damage output

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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what? did you skip it? You must get aphro if you took the rose.

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yes

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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did you maybe chose different to aphro's door in elysium or did you have the rose in asphodel already?

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I could have sworn I didn't.

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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did you use it in a previous biome?

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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huh, weird

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I had it in asphodel already

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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oh it's one use

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Does that mean it won't work again?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yeah it only works for one stage

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Nooooooo

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:49 PM

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you're guaranteed to see the god once after you equip it

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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if you look at the keepsake of gods it always says "1" above it

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so one-use only

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Ugh okay good to know ☹️

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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shackles will boost your special. you could use that

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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are there no aphro boons in styx for you?

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Haven't checked yet... Still in that middle room trying to figure out keepsake

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Ideally there will be an Aphrodite... I'm trying to prepare for if there is not

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I mean there's no guarantee she will offer the special either

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i'd say go for ares keepsake or any other than shackle since you still have a good chance for special boosts

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Dio on special is useless

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:51 PM

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ares and zeus are good on special

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or artemis

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Ares huh? In styx I usually choose something for survivability, like tooth

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I wouldn't recommend ares

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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do you still die often in styx?

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Lol yes I'm pretty new

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I've only cleared the game once

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I'd go for a god that gives you a % bonus rather than flat

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:52 PM

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artemis then?

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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artemis would be a great choice

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I could do arty keepsake

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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or just hope for the best

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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What weapon/aspect?

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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demeter gives the 2nd highest % bonus though

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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untold vortex What weapon/aspect?

eris rail

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:53 PM

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you usually get 2 boons from the tunnels and up to 3 (i think) in shop?

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Almost anything works on it tbh

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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eris aspect with dio on attack and the triple rocket hammer combo... but, my special does not have any boons at all

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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if you feel unsafe go for health keepsake and hope for a special boon

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the chance is really in your favor of getting a boon for it

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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just go for shackle, i mean you're already at your last few boons. you might not fill the slot. even if you do, it probably won't have as much % as shackle since you'll need to pom it.

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Aphro, arti work great

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:55 PM

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rose already got used

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:55 PM

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is at styx

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Go either broken spearpoint or acorn if you have them imo

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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for a newcomer i'd recommend just going for health/survival keepsake that's leveled up and take any other special boon

olive spruce Dec 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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what are the gods you've gotten boons for already?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:56 PM

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broken spearpoint and acorn arent always that good for newcomers, lucky tooth would be better

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depends on which you have leveled higher

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if you have acorn on lvl 1 tooth is way better

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 1:57 PM

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there's no reason why tooth would be better for a new comer.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:57 PM

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most level is first since it seems better

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but then again thats only if it's their highest level survival keepsake

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 1:58 PM

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They're all decent, i just find with much more effective at damage mitigation against hades

languid dagger Dec 5, 2020, 1:58 PM

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how does Tripple Shot works with Hera? Do casts go to each attack of the spread?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 1:58 PM

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later on i agree the tooth is pretty meh but most newcomers i've seen preferred luckytooth and got through thx to it better

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like you dont have the mirror aspect of more health so most of the time your health would be under 200 maxhp, so having another revive with more than halft max health is a godsend

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:00 PM

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I've gotten mostly aphro arty and dio

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I actually have 200 health lol

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:00 PM

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That's confirmation bias
Lucky tooth tends to be used more because it's likely to be a players first or close to first keepsake and an extra 'life' is seen as incredibly valuable

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:00 PM

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yea

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Thanks to hearts and the nectar boon

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You guys think the tooth isn't that great?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:01 PM

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exactly, but else it depends on whether you have leveled acorn (since it else only gives i think 40 free damage which is way less than 100 extra hp)

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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I used to use the collar starting out, but noticed that I got a lot better once I started using the various God keepsakes

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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tooth is really a trap in lategame

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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And most won't understand that acorn can prevent on average more damage during the hades fight than skelly's tooth ever would.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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tru^

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Acorn and spear are unleveled for me

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Lvl 1 acorn is 3 hits mitigated

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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That's more that 75 health?

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Still pretty big

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On average yes

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:02 PM

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lvl 1 is 3 hits?

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:03 PM

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It is

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3, 4, 5

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:03 PM

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whaaat

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did it change recently or did i just really forget acorn

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i could swear on it being 1,2,3

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Lol it's 3 4 5

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Acorn would not be used anywhere near as much at 1,2,3

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:04 PM

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i last played with acorn in october so i really dont remember ;-;

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:05 PM

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untold vortex Acorn would not be used anywhere near as much at 1,2,3

exactly

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now i am confused

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did acorn change after 1.0 or is my memory just false?

untold vortex Dec 5, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Acorn didn't change in 1.0

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It would have been noted in the patch notes if it did

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:07 PM

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tru but the patch notes are also pretty long so it's hard for me to remember every change ^^'

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anyways acorn could still only block 30damage

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(on lvl 1)

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so yeah getting tooth is safer at the start if it's leveled just remember to level acorn the next runs because it really is more helpful maxed than lucky tooth maxed

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i also just noticed that new players might migrate more towards lucky tooth in the beginning cause the 3rd DD is expensive at the start...

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Yeah I need to work on leveling acorn and spear

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So between unleveled acorn and spear you would go spear?

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Seems like it would help with the other chambers too, like with poison

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:11 PM

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spear really helps in elysium, asphodel and styx but acorn is really good if you just feel unsafe with bosses

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||like if you go for EM and feel unsafe acorn really helps calm the nerves||

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Haha honestly I feel like styx is just hard for me in general... The enemies all do a ton of damage and poison can kill you really fast

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Oh yeah I'm not at that point yet haha

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

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if you're scared of poison always stand by the curing fountains

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Plus, it's by definition the biome you get the least practice with

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:12 PM

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yes and no

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you can actually get more practice by chosing so, since you can have a 2-sack but there are still more rooms you can go to

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:13 PM

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That's fair... But then you might die and not beat the game 😭

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The one game clear I had I had to go through every single room

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:14 PM

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true 😭 but if beating ||dad|| up isnt your priority for a run, the rooms are great practice for all the stages tbh

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I arrived in styx with half my life and one DD, and somehow made it

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:14 PM

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ooo getting athena early on for those runs is good since she can give you more DDs

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:14 PM

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That's a good point... I guess my priority is unlocking Titan blood to level up weapons

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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thats always the priority in the beginning

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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It seems like the best way to do that is to clear the game a bunch

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With each weapons

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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i was once so stupid to just want to get all the rooms cause the open laurels made my ocd unhappy 😂

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Lol... I wish I were confident enough to do that

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:16 PM

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what do people usually build for achilles cast?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:16 PM

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i got really lucky with one of the boss rooms to be the fountain room

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achilles spear cast?

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Isn't that what usually happens? You have the sack and a fountain in one of the end rooms?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:16 PM

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zeus or artemis personally

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it's not always a boss room

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:17 PM

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anything else i should be shooting for?

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:17 PM

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i am still scared of satyr boss ;-;

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||or tiny vermin|| ;_;

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:17 PM

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You can actually make any cast work on Achilles. It's very versatile.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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really depends on your cast preferances too yeah

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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stygian or infernal?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Yes.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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this or that -> yes 😂

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Exactly.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:18 PM

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infernal it is

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:19 PM

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I like Stygian Soul + Crush Shot + Deadly Strike + Heart Rend.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:19 PM

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will give that a go, thanks!

half light Dec 5, 2020, 2:19 PM

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i gotta say, zeus cast is one of my faves ever since speedrunners introduced me to it

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really didnt like zeus at all before but his cast on a weapon that doesnt really like to do damage to multiple farther away enemies at once? yes ma'am

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:20 PM

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You can also throw in Divine Flourish for Parting Shot and Deadly Reversal if you see her.

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Or Poseidon for Mirage Shot.

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Lord Zeus for Smoldering Air.

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Lots of great options.

calm bluff Dec 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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i almost wish i had more levels in the Styx so I could push more mobs around with my lucifer Poseidon beam

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Are the really expensive boons in styx guaranteed to be super rare?

exotic hatch Dec 5, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Zeus is the best dps on many weapons

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Or are they just expensive lol

proven osprey Dec 5, 2020, 2:37 PM

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I'm convinced that they have superior rarity

unkempt pagoda Dec 5, 2020, 2:37 PM

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better rarity

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erebus style

proven osprey Dec 5, 2020, 2:37 PM

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unkempt pagoda erebus style

like you can buy an onion?

languid dagger Dec 5, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Ice Wine Hera build with Stygian Soul turned out to be pretty mediocre, even with Blade Dash and Ares legendary

unkempt pagoda Dec 5, 2020, 2:38 PM

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yep!

proven osprey Dec 5, 2020, 2:38 PM

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PES_CutePoggers

unkempt pagoda Dec 5, 2020, 2:38 PM

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that's why you use infernal instead lol

languid dagger Dec 5, 2020, 2:40 PM

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also 0 chaos gates the whole run did not help

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also also, it's not the first time I notice how bow gameplay is different on PC to console (from seeing Haelian videos)

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was missing so many shots

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 2:52 PM

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got heart rend, parting shot, mirage shot https://imgur.com/a/4Jdkh6A

Imgur

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Nice!

stray olive Dec 5, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Found a common rarity arty special in styx and beat hades, thanks everyone!

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 3:09 PM

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got another duo + hermes legend in styx, was gonna say i was lucky...

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then i get 5-sacked

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Same.

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Smoldering Air chamber 4. Alright then.

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Flurry Jab chamber 5.

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shadeohboy

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 3:29 PM

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apolShook

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Enjoy your spear PB.

regal valley Dec 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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what is the dark foresight mirror upgrades cap? i'll keep pumping darkness into this but it seems like a LOT

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 4:12 PM

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20%.

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It's kinda busted.

regal valley Dec 5, 2020, 4:13 PM

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niceee

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still tho 2% per level and 150 dark per level is 1500 darkness pumped into this thing
it's gonna take a while

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 4:15 PM

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yep

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you can go for a dark farm if you want to speed it up

half light Dec 5, 2020, 4:42 PM

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are there any tips to actually not be scared to death of the megagorgon mini-boss fight?

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it eats up so much hp/and sometimes even one or two dds when i'm on high heat

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 4:52 PM

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nuke it with a companion?

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activate it cone is dropping to hit both

half light Dec 5, 2020, 4:53 PM

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FO2 and MM really make timing it with a companion a hell of a time

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meg is fast but the skull crusher retracts and megagorgon teleports faster :)))))

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 4:55 PM

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should still be able to get it in the first drop. megagorgon would have only teleport once by then

half light Dec 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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i'd need DC to be off for that then yea

thick valve Dec 5, 2020, 4:56 PM

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whats a good general build for claws?

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 4:57 PM

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zeus on attack, % base boost on special.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 4:58 PM

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does aphro work with maim?

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 4:58 PM

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DC really only comes into play at near 40 heat.
Before then you really only pick it if your weapon can easily delete DC.

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it really shouldn't be a problem from preventing companion to connect

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oh claws..., sorry king of hearts. Read it as fist

half light Dec 5, 2020, 4:59 PM

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yeah i have issues with the pair on high heat

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Merciful end works, Artemis attack works.
Blade dash/Tidal Dash spam works too.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 5:00 PM

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0-20, fine, dandy, 20-30, hurts but ok, 30-40 MOTHER OF

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Can consider stubborn reflex. Since your weapon gives you extra dodge. Both reflex are great tho. more of a preference thing

half light Dec 5, 2020, 5:02 PM

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yea

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idk thats the only real "boss" fight ||other than tiny vermin|| that scares me

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i'd rather fight ||em4 hades|| than those two any day

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 5:03 PM

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😐

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 5:06 PM

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if u think its hard to hit them with meg imagine how I feel with than lmfao

half light Dec 5, 2020, 5:07 PM

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if you get than right tho, beautiful

nimble wave Dec 5, 2020, 5:58 PM

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For people who play the Adamant Rail, does anyone have advice on how to not reload too early? It seems like I always reload when I have 3-4 shots left, which is probably hurting my DPS.

sullen valley Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Honestly that’s a better habit than forgetting to reload/reloading earlier imo

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 6:00 PM

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u generally just wanna shoot until your special is off cooldown

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bc you can reload then immediately special to cancel the animation

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 6:02 PM

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dash also cancels animation.

sullen valley Dec 5, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Oo, dash reload

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 6:06 PM

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dash reloads are amazing for hestia

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all the dash attacks

nimble wave Dec 5, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Thanks everyone!

tardy swan Dec 5, 2020, 6:38 PM

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> when you have the choice between a chaos gate, a daedalus hammer and a duo boon shadeohboy

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 6:43 PM

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o.o

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i assume you mean trail

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I don't think they're really that worth it compared to the other two unless you need boons to sell.

tardy swan Dec 5, 2020, 6:46 PM

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yes, a trial. And I took the trial, because I indeed needed a boon to sell. For Heat reasons...

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Trials are really really good.

tardy swan Dec 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I think it depends, but they can really round out your kit.

still vigil Dec 5, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I hate and love trials

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In tartarus especially

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 6:54 PM

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The fact that you know your next two boons, can pick their order, and Duo Boons can't appear is really really strong.

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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you can also usually reload between enemy waves with eris rail

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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are trails fast?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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No Duo Boons means way better odds for Legendaries or any specific t2 boons you want.

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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in terms of number of enemy spawn and stuff

half light Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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can legendaries appear in trials?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Yes.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 6:55 PM

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i take that as yes

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yeah i just saw your message as i was typing

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and whether or not you favor the god makes no difference to leg chances right?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I think the spurned god has a higher chance of offering an exchange, so maybe. Maybe @amber jackal knows more about that.

half light Dec 5, 2020, 6:58 PM

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yeah that would make sense

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i have never looked at whether or not the rarities are any different in trials...

icy kernel Dec 5, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I got sea storm for my third boon in tartarus and I'm having the best time

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 7:00 PM

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i think exchanges are just a flat 10% across the board but idk if trials change anything about rarity

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my super soaker pb was like a chamber 8 or something sea storm

river wing Dec 5, 2020, 7:00 PM

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anyone know if attack speed affects spin charge time?

icy kernel Dec 5, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I believe it does

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Fellas, good lucifer build? I'm getting mad at how hard it is to clear with it

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I did 32 with Heartbreak Strike today, so that certainly works.

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You can try to get either Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air or Artemis' Aid for Heart Rend. Those are really strong combos. If you want to get Heart Rend, you'll need Deadly Flourish or True Shot, though, because Artemis' Aid doesn't unlock it from her pool. But it does a lot of nice burst damage.

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So depending on what you see in your run, you can go either route.

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I tried Drunken Flourish with Low Tolerance, but it didn't really do much, I think. But I've only played the aspect six times, so maybe I just didn't know what I was doing.

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I think I just used a cast build 😛

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 8:41 PM

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low tolerance on luci works best with dio attack/aphro special imo

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 8:41 PM

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man i sure do love some good mobility https://imgur.com/a/mPLAzPO

Imgur

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 8:41 PM

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you can also pick up true shot/curse of vengeance to get splitting headache/curse of nausea

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Thanks for the tips! I'm trying to do a 32 too, but it's starting to frustrate me

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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what heat modifier do you have?

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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i've found that things that cause extra straght damage on attack hit are really nice (as opposed to percentage increases)
so i've had success with zeus's attack and support fire especially

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also others can work well like dionysus attack if you enjoy hit and run (i don't especially)

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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This is what I did earlier. Timer was a bit of a problem even with two Chaos Gates, so it's probably not the most consistent. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/784775012741545984/Hades_1218.png?width=791&height=445

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I think Deadly Flourish for Heart Rend and Support Fire would have probably been a better pick for Heartbreak Strike start.

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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turn timer down to td2 and turn up dc/js for a really chill time on luci

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Yeah, that ^ works.

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 8:45 PM

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support fire is my biggest recommendation for sure though, you can slap it on top of any other build without interfering and i think it gets slept on

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 8:55 PM

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I'm using all modifiers ;_; been trying to clear the minor prophecy on that

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Died right now on a heartbreak strike run but it was looking kinda promising, I'll try again on that

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 8:58 PM

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I really like the single-target damage with Heartbreak Strike. It's great for the bosses and minibosses.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Is Stubborn Defiance actually useful?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:01 PM

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yesh

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:01 PM

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It seems good if you are dying in non-boss chambers a lot, but that's not exactly a good sign in the first place

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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high heat regular chambers are harder than some boss fights

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Ah

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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and chip damage on lasting consequences adds up

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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I haven't gotten past the second stage of the final boss, myself

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:02 PM

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SD lets you "reset" to at least 30%

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:03 PM

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What's the maximum number of "lives" you can have, anyway?

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5?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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3 DDs + 1 Lucky Tooth + n Defiances from Master Chaos. Where n is the theoretical limit for how many Chaos Gates you can get minus 1.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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opal lodge SD lets you "reset" to at least 30%

It'd be nice if it "reset" your health if you have a charge left at the end of a fight, rather than rewarding you for committing suicide

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:05 PM

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cunning urchin 3 DDs + 1 Lucky Tooth + n Defiances from Master Chaos. Where n is the theoretica...

I found an Athena boon in my last run that gave me an extra charge. Is that only for replenishing lost charges?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Lady Athena boon. Yes, it only replenishes if you use DDs.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Right, I meant Athena

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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you can get any number of chaos defiances after seeing them once in a run

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i couldve gotten 4 chaos defiances lol

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Zagreus is the god of blood, so him "healing" by dying kinda makes sense in that way.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Is he?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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most ive ever seen chaos is 5 times in a run

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Is that a spoiler or speculation?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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saklad avoid this channel until you get to credits if you want to avoid spoilers

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah, I saw the description

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I want to avoid spoilers, but it can't be helped if I want to discuss builds

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:08 PM

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but yeah so you can add the athena dds to your sd too

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if you die in that room first

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it is nifty technology

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for high heat

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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That would only be useful for a trove, right?

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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what do you mean?

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:09 PM

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A boon that replenishes Stubborn Defiance, which replenishes when you enter a chamber, would only be useful for a fight after getting the boon in the same chamber

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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nonono

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ok

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so

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It's also useful for the other effect, of course

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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you enter a chamber, die with SD

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picking up that athena dd boon

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It doesn't spawn otherwise?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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adds another dd under your sd

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Wait, what

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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so you effectively have an SD and a Dd

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and then you can do it again for the second DD boon

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Can you then proceed to replenish that with Kiss of Styx and such?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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no

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once you lose that one its gone

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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it's still a DD and an SD

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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kiss of styx is only offered if you run DDs

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:11 PM

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That much I knew

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Just hope you run into Patty for 80% heal from SD

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Patroclus is sort of nuts

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:12 PM

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hey srry for interrupting but which is the best aspect of the shield?

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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tulip zealot hey srry for interrupting but which is the best aspect of the shield?

note sure about "best," but some are easier than others.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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rare kindle Just hope you run into Patty for 80% heal from SD

That's temporary, right? Meaning it fades before the final boss?

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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By some I mean anything but Zag Shield, really

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Yep, temporary

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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ok thx

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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real kernel That's temporary, right? Meaning it fades before the final boss?

if you are lucky, you can keep it all the to final boss

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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But it lasts for like a dozen chambers IIRC

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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if you are lucky

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:13 PM

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The Temple of Styx is clearly meant to force everything to expire

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 PM

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you can bring it to boss still, if you get it in chamber 33 or 34 and get 2 sack RNG

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 PM

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If you run SD, you can get two DDs from Lady Athena that way. Last Stand will give you at minimum +10% healing for your SD and all your DDs. If you get any Touch of Styx, that will also apply to your SD and all your DDs. So you can end up with 3 revives or more that all heal to full HP lol.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Don't hate me, but I've never taken more than two chambers to get the sack

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:14 PM

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And hope for chaos legendary

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Is Spread Fire good with Deadly Strike?

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I used to only do the minimum chambers in styx

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Or is it always two chambers until you beat the final boss?

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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now I do all of them since I'm good enough lol

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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cries in always dying before curse expires on chaos legendary

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Touch of Styx lasts for 15 encounters lol.

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You can pick up one in Tartarus and still have it in Elysium.

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Hades is so incredibly well balanced except for a couple things

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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final sundial Is Spread Fire good with Deadly Strike?

Very good, yes.

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I feel the enemy AI isn't really programmed to handle the shield

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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final sundial Is Spread Fire good with Deadly Strike?

oh yes

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Yeah, I'm very impressed with the scaling and progression

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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blocking in hades is so OP

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enemies can anticipate and punish dashes with how their pathing is

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but not blocking

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I thought blocking was like the shield just handles three attacks at most and then your guard's broken

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but no, you can tank it all

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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spiral tree I feel the enemy AI isn't really programmed to handle the shield

fair enough, but there are certain conditions that really discourages "playing lame"

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most notably Tight Deadline

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:16 PM

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chaos shield>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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might be the best damn aspect

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Block only seems OP until you have a timer.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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The ~~Bullhead Shield~~ Aegis of Chaos is unbreakable, yeah

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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chaos shield+ares special just deletes the room

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and with impending doom its GG for bosses

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I love it so much

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Rama runs circles around Chaos Aspect.

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Hestia, too.

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Eris.

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Chaos is a generalist.

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Ah yes, Spread Fire gave me a shotgun

Closer and closer to find out the Doomslayer build

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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ehh I dont know

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chaos shield is so safe

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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I think Zag shield is probably better than Chaos Aspect tbh. thanthink

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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final sundial Ah yes, Spread Fire gave me a shotgun Closer and closer to find out the Doomsla...

The music's already familiar

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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that's a hot take nyan

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lol

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but you would know better than us

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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question, how does one play spear and enjoy it

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i need some advice there lol

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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use special guan yu

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:18 PM

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spiral tree chaos shield is so safe

yeah. but on high enough heat, playing safe isn't a win condition, doing enough damage to outrun TD is.

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but otherwise sure

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I mean people also like Arthur for the same reason'

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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zinc robin question, how does one play spear and enjoy it

I love the ~~Brusher's Pike~~ Eternal Spear. It's not my favorite, but it is quite good

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Chaos Aspect isn't rated so very high anymore by top players.

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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safety and big numbers.

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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it's still used in speed runs a lot

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Excalibur is amazing up to like 40.

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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My approach to the spear so far is to try and focus on either the Special or the Attack.

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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arthur was my favorite aspect until recently

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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wait, what's eternal spear?

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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chaos shield+ares=GG

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Varatha

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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that's just the spear

final sundial Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Damn why is everyone here having problems with the spear

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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It's the name of the spear

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:19 PM

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the full name of it

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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oh ok

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lol

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i didn't realize

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i tried achiles the other day and hated it

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mostly because i kept retrieving when i meant to dash

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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sword = stygian blade
spear = eternal shield
chaos = shield of chaos
etc etc

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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chaos is used in speedruns as a meme lmao

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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dry ember sword = stygian blade spear = eternal shield chaos = shield of chaos etc etc

Eternal Spear

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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as someone who speedruns shield

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:20 PM

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spear = shield

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change my mind

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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if anyone runs chaos shield seriously we point and make fun of them

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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wait

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really?

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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real kernel My approach to the spear so far is to try and focus on either the Special or the...

Yeah, you kind of wanna focus on Attack unless you get a good hammer for the Special if you're using base spear, anyway. Attack works better if you don't have good hammers for either or no hammers. But the Special can be very safe when still getting the hang of things at low heat or if you don't have a timer and just wanna play it safe.

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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uh oh

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i gotta get outta here

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lol

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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just for speed

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i like it casually/for high heat

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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cunning urchin Yeah, you kind of wanna focus on Attack unless you get a good hammer for the Spe...

The Special is nice for backstabbing

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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oh ok, i don't speedrun

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i'm safe

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for now

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I'm a noob, though

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:21 PM

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but that thing requires a quite inhuman number of zeus boons to go fast

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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so you think zag shield is better than chaos no?

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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spiral tree arthur was my favorite aspect until recently

also, why don't you like arthur as much any more?

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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you usually have to reset chaos shield speedruns unless you get double strike in tartarus

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hmm

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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i like it a lot

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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better idk

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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One of my favorite weapons in Bastion was the Brusher's Pike, so I have a good feel for Varatha

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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speedrun residentzag
Eris
Splash Dash
Seastorm
Hades keepsake

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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but i like zag shield more

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brushers pike is a weapon for cultured gamers

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:22 PM

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oh

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yooo

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it is the same weapon!!

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yooo

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i never thought about that lmao

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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kid's hammer is the sword

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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arthur is good fun but kind of painful with FO2

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Yep

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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even the 3 hit combo is the same

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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fo2?

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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None of them are identical, but they have similarities

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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forced overtime

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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ah

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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makes enemies move 20% faster per level

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i'm still learning a lot about the game

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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up to +40% speed

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they also attack faster

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:23 PM

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@zinc robin chaos shield+ares special deletes rooms 🙂

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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which means your attacks get interrupted more often

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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dire misfortune+impending doom=GG

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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numbskulls = squirts
thugs = gasfella
louts = scumbag

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change my mind

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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chaos + zeus special is still the go to for high heat and speedruns :p

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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I thought that immediately

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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but if you like ares special its also good

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:24 PM

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honestly, one of the things i love about hades is seing how different ideas from past games of theirs have come back in it

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even little things, like the way pyre did casting

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those visual indicators came back

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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i used ares special for my first few clears in the game with chaos shield

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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for other things

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etc

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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and for my first 32 heat

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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yeah, it's the cumulation of knowledge in 10 years of game for sure

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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yeah

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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there is DNA of the prior games to be found... everywehre

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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honestly, i love supergiant and i'm so glad that this game is doing so well

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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also chaos shields deflect everything

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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they deserve it for sure

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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havent finished transistor so cant speak to that

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Stygian Blade: Cael Hammer
Heart-Seeking Bow: Breaker's Bow
Shield of Chaos: Bullhead Shield
Eternal Spear: Brusher's Pike
Adamant Rail: Bone Repeater

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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dont have to worry about dodging much

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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but bastion definitely

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Exalted Souls: Cells

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:25 PM

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never played pyre

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it looks kinda weak compared to their other games

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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It's great

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Play it

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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pyre was i think my least favorite of the first 3, but i still like it a lot

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I didn't think I would like transistor since I don't enjoy turn based conbat anymore

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but

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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and if i havent killed hades yet which one do i have to use?

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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it was amazing

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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dry ember speedrun <:residentzag:580097451197857816> Eris <:residentzag:58009745119785781...

You must be using Internet Explorer. That's so last patch. dusa

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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its funny cuz i hated the repeater but rail is a very intuitive weapon for me

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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i think i had a hard time getting into the story in the right way, i think i should replay it at some point for sure

spiral tree Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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the way transistor did turn based combat was brilliant

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yeah

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I loved that

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:26 PM

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it's half turn based, half realtime

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Mostly turn-based

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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cunning urchin You must be using Internet Explorer. That's so last patch. <:dusa:52224877140954...

its a meme, don't overanalyze it

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Except only for you

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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and if i havent killed hades yet which one do i have to use?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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this has got to be the most satisfying theseus kill ive ever done

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/784892858497761350/nuke2.mp4

▶ Play video

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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honestly, when someone first called it a turn based game to me i realized that made sense, but before then i didn't even realize it

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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i love boonless arthur

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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tulip zealot and if i havent killed hades yet which one do i have to use?

like which weapon?

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not sure what you mean

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I think you should always be using the Infernal Arm that has Dark(er) Thirst

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Then plan your run around that

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Especially if you hate that weapon

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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oh, btw

tulip zealot Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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ok

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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i don't really get how to use aspect of rama

cunning urchin Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Why would you play a weapon that you hate? lol

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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does anyone have any tips for that?

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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dash strike

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thunk

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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tag things with special, dash trike power shot

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rinse repeat

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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lmao

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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get shared suffering on everything

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:28 PM

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turbid needle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/784892858497761350/nuk...

have you seen vorimes 4 second heroes fight

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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i have not

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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lemme find it rq

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its really funny

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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cunning urchin Why would you play a weapon that you hate? lol

Part of me is disappointed when Dark Thirst goes to Coronacht, my favorite weapon, because I don't need to get as creative

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticGiftedPanGrammarKing

Twitch

Vorime - sub-5s heroes

Watch Vorime's clip titled "sub-5s heroes"

▶ Play video

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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ah there it is

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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I'm still really bad at the bow

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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i love when dark thirst goes sord cause i have an excuse to paly it

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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yeah @zinc robin like misty said; mark everything with a couple shots of your special, dash attack to charge it fast and smack 'em

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:29 PM

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fair enough

rare kindle Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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You can't spam dash strike because you have to charge it every time

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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thanks for the advice guys

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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if needed, get somewhere a bit away and take advantage of shared suffering murdering things not directly next to you

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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LOL

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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also, am i supposed to be facetanking a bunch with arthur

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because i am

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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i love nemesis so much

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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bow charges while you're dashing and fires immediately

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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same

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when it goes right it goes right

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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yoissy you kinda can facetank with arthur, it's best if you're just murdering everything with its huge sweeps though

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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I think Tailesque also had a 5s fight at Champions on Rama

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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yeah

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:30 PM

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using its protective field to slow enemies and projectiles from getting to you

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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ok that is what i'm doing

opal lodge Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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rama nem and beowulf are probably the best bossers if you have all the nuts

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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just wondering because i hit playing it like, a lot a lot

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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dash stike arthur is cool

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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though it does tend to work so whatever

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:31 PM

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turbid needle dash stike arthur is cool

bruh

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i keep hearing people talk about cast builds too, but i don't know what that even means really

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i'm still learning a lot

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I do love how Exagryph can keep up a withering amount of fire. Even before my first run with it, I spent a minute or two practicing "Attack, Reload, Special, Dash" on loop

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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get double edge on that boy

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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a cast build means a build focusing on a really strong cast upgrade, like dionysis or demeter

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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demeter?

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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and just pumping the power of that up, so you're not using your weapon very much

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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zinc robin i keep hearing people talk about cast builds too, but i don't know what that eve...

Builds that use casts as your main source of damage, usually.

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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demeter's lazer beams are strong if you get them chilling and tracking fast

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i figured it meant that

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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fire and forget

zinc robin Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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but i don't know how to achieve that

dry ember Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Some weapons have special ability that their attack is their cast, kinda.

turbid needle Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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anyways i would like to give a shoutout to 100 dmg zag cast

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🙏

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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force dio

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get trippy shot

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dump three poms into it

real kernel Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Cast is always either great or terrible

balmy portal Dec 5, 2020, 9:33 PM

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each cast does 350 damage 😛