Didn't do doom but I did pick up dio the first time with the special.
#h1-builds-and-combat
calm bluff
calm bluff
Relentless volley is really nice with dio
boreal harness
It can get 20-28 damage x 7 shots every half seconds with dire Misfortune + 100% impending doom
Which is great for bosses, but against crowds the 1.65 seconds to proc really hurt it
calm bluff
Yeah.
Tbh I didn't even think about taking doom on bow because it takes so long to charge up
boreal harness
Yeah, but doom with dire Misfortune also has one of the best ways to make use of the high number of shots of Rama special with relentless volley
It can shoot 14 shots in around 1 second
calm bluff
But when you regularly get 1k+ damage per shot by the end of the run, guess it makes looking at those numbers skewed.
boreal harness
Another way to abuse it is Arctic blast
turbid needle
Guys? How do you consistently dodge Hades' spin attack? It works at times, sometimes it just straight up ignores that i'm mid-dash. Is there a direction i'm supposed to dodge it?
boreal harness
And demeter's flourish
I suck at that one
Is it just me or does he use spin attaxk far to often when you have divine dash?
turbid needle
I'm pretty ok at it if i'm not mid-screenfreeze after an attack
proven osprey
Guys? How do you consistently dodge Hades' spin attack? It works at times, somet...
Being mid dash does not mean you got your iframe, it starts right when you dash. No special direction, just timing to practice
calm bluff
Hades spin usually gets me since I'm in the middle of an attack when he's doing it
turbid needle
Also is there any way to disable the screen freezing when attacking?
turbid needle
Hades spin usually gets me since I'm in the middle of an attack when he's doing ...
YES
boreal harness
Yeah, I hate the screen freeze thing
turbid needle
And the game is like: "oops, gotta eat your inputs"
boreal harness
It's much more pronounced with fist, sword spear etc
calm bluff
But I'm doing weird runs now where I end up with 300 HP at the end so.
boreal harness
Hence I use bow and and the rail the most
turbid needle
I lost my 32 heat run because of this inability to dodge
calm bluff
rip
turbid needle
Yeah, I hate the screen freeze thing
So no way to disable it?
boreal harness
The time between 2 sword dash attacks that don't hit and 2 that do are completely different
boreal harness
Since right after the hit there's sort of this 50ms freeze
calm bluff
Using fists I'm guessing?
turbid needle
fists suffer most from it yea
boreal harness
Yeah, fists are pretty bad as well.with the constant freezing
turbid needle
stopped using them
boreal harness
But at least they lock on to the target
But with the sword you have to switch orientation
calm bluff
I love gilgamesh fists even if I don't use the special right.
boreal harness
So you have to be very mindful or the target
calm bluff
Those extra dashes 👌
turbid needle
I love gilgamesh fists even if I don't use the special right.
no idea when to use this special
boreal harness
Gilgamesh seems to increase the cooldown time between 2 chains of dashes
turbid needle
i mean.. on hades this special is just the "Kill yourself" button
calm bluff
I pretty much only use it on bosses/mini-bosses
calm bluff
If I'm confident about dodging them, anyways
turbid needle
it makes them susceptible to damage too, but with a huge risk
of getting your hp 100-0
boreal harness
I mean, by the end the 25% doesn't mean a lot, but the loss in survivability means a net loss on total damage
calm bluff
I think it's more of a low heat weapon so you don't get punished with a death defiance loss from being hit once
tbh
boreal harness
If you must increase DPS by all means necessary, it can be good
turbid needle
I think it's more of a low heat weapon so you don't get punished with a death de...
same with guan yu i believe
calm bluff
Eh, seen some 50+ heat runs with guan yu
turbid needle
dam
boreal harness
Guan YU has the spin attack with the HP restore
turbid needle
the hp loss on it is surely something
calm bluff
The thing about guan yu is you have to know when to use the spin attack.
Most of the time though you're using the special
Or dash attack once
boreal harness
And almost all.such effects come with an HP loss
turbid needle
I had the spin enlargement with quick spin attack and it felt great
But the odds are pretty smol
proven osprey
I'm practicing EM4 so I can clear 50 one day
boreal harness
Again, playing with a controller, I prefer just using Hestia to the Guan Yu special
turbid needle
heat 32 how
calm bluff
I haven't even gotten to em4 yet since I'm still clearing all the heat levels up to 20 kek
boreal harness
That thing can lock into anything, even an enemy that's completely behind you
turbid needle
i hav no damage without the boons
boreal harness
For bow and spear you have to face them
I don't think you need heat 20 for EM4
I think I got it as a contractor upgrade after some story bit
And that was pretty early
I only got to heat 20 last week or so
calm bluff
I went back to mouse and keyboard after going through 6 batteries for my wireless controller
xD
boreal harness
I just can't get used to the diagonal movement with WASD
turbid needle
I went back to mouse and keyboard after going through 6 batteries for my wireles...
why do i have a feeling you speak russian??
boreal harness
Hence the controller
turbid needle
🧐
boreal harness
I burn myself far to much in Asphodel if playing with KB/M
turbid needle
I just can't get used to the diagonal movement with WASD
i just got used to sucking
pretty easy
calm bluff
Because people see Kersakof and think Korsakoff
turbid needle
Because people see Kersakof and think Korsakoff
it jusst sounds like a russian last name
turbid needle
I burn myself far to much in Asphodel if playing with KB/M
wait.. do you guys NOT burn yourself there?
turbid needle
huh
for me it's just an inconvenience i have to accept
also i suck with controllers
boreal harness
I'm talking trying to exit a chamber and losing 2HP to get to the boat thing
calm bluff
I burn myself a lot in asphodel and glad there's a bot here since I can't stop triggering it
boreal harness
Is b u r n a curseword now?
boreal harness
I was too scared to test it
calm bluff
No I said a swear word lol
calm bluff
I'm one of those people that use them as adjectives in day to day language now so it's hard for me to... not to sometimes >>
The space between b urn was me typing too fast xD
boreal harness
Btw, does anyone know why Blizzard shot is so highly regarded? I've seen people mention how OP it is, but didn't feel it was the same level of power as, say, Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity. Was it nerfed far too much or something or did I just not have the correct boons to supplement it?
vale imp
It's great for bosses, the amount of damage it can do is pretty insane
calm bluff
Tbh I wouldn't say hunting blades is even that good.
boreal harness
Is it from the 20 damage whirls or the slow moving flood shot?
calm bluff
Ares blade builds pretty much needs his legendary to work
vale imp
Slow moving flood shot, since most bosses stand still at least sometimes, you can get multiple hits from it
boreal harness
Yeah, I was thinking that
vale imp
The whirls are also good damage if you whiff
because they're standing still, they will get some damage at least
boreal harness
Are the whirls affected by any Poseidon or Demeter boons?
vale imp
Demeter since they're Chill damage i think
I'm not sure though if the actual damage would be affected by Flood shot
boreal harness
I really wish the game would state the number of times per second something causes damage for everything, like it does for crystal beam
Do we know how often either the slow flood shot or the whirls do damage?
calm bluff
Does it still knock enemies away?
boreal harness
I guess a way to supplement Blizzard shot would be to get 10 stacks of chill for the 40% slow and maybe the Demeter boon for slow and decay as well
vale imp
Does it still knock enemies away?
yep
boreal harness
I was thinking the hype was due to the whirls causing some sort of mayhem with Poseidon boons like wave pounding and breaking wave
vale imp
Mirage shot is amazing with Blizzard shot
boreal harness
The whirls would not have decreased damage, right?
Since they are not part of the cast boon
vale imp
Here's an example of what it can do to Hades: https://youtu.be/Cjt1mQOayzo?t=2102
it seems to be hitting multiple times a second
so damage racks up really quickly
boreal harness
Yeah, that makes sense
So you need to have good flood shot damage with poms and cast % boosts and can get 1.3x from mirage shot
calm bluff
Is there any build that uses blast from demeter at max chill stacks?
boreal harness
Yeah, Eris is very good for that
But then again, eris is good for almost everything
calm bluff
I typically just do artemis special zeus attack on eris
boreal harness
You can even do a funny Rama Bow Special spam build
But you'll need relentless volley for it to really work out
And it still wouldn't be very much damage
Zeus attack is the most optimal for Eris
But with mistral strike + Arctic blast you can get similar levels of power
But then again, with the Zeus legendary, you can get better dps
And zeus's chain effect is imo better than the explosion from chilled
calm bluff
Suppose seastorm wouldn't be bad either
boreal harness
Oh of course not, it's pretty much around the same level, but if you have knockback on attack that sometimes pushes enemies off Eris's range.
Not that that's bad
Especially with stuff like breaking wave
But the immediate power increase with Zeus on attack is much higher
An epic pom'd up Lightning Strike can go 30-31 per hit, that's a 300% increase
calm bluff
Also just had to re-read merciful end because I didn't know what it did lol
boreal harness
Yeah, if you can get doom attack, divine flourish, divine dash and ME
chrome geode
how do i beat hades
boreal harness
You're set
You can even sell the flourish since there's often little use for it
And impending doom and Athena's exposed for privileged status are the cherry on top
I got the game after release, but from the changelog I've seen that you used to be able to qualify for ME with Divine Dash
I guess they changed that to make it more rng heavy
Okay, I gtg now, nice talking to you guys
weak violet
Y’all know a good build for Gilgamesh?
river wing
ME is never bad as usual. Works esp well with gilga because you can hold attack and dash tgt to automatically activate it
and maim increases doom damage too
Dash builds are kinda meme, but they do work pretty well.
I like blade dash, splash dash is good as usual
and with the decent base damage, crit builds DR/HR works too.
weak violet
Hm, yeah cuz i was thinking on trying to go for a heart rend build tbh
turbid needle
oh god im about to...
about to..
ah no screenshots
well im at 32 heat and in front of cerb
2 dd left
turbid needle
thanks
weak violet
Question: When you purge a boon that was needed for a prophecy, will the boon still be recorded into the propechy even after being purged?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
It counts as soon as you take it.
weak violet
Gradias amigo
cunning urchin
Amiga. 
vital ledge
Hello everyone, I hope this isn't a stupid question. Is there any damage that doesn't Crit from taking Pressure Points? I recall hearing that lightning bolts won't Crit, but I can't find anything to back that up.
weak violet
Homie 
turbid needle
Can we like.. delete archers from the game at hades fight???
They have 2 damage blocks in both forms and there's dad and at least 2 things blowing up
and they fire nonstop
also they prevent me from drawing the bow
vital ledge
I've heard it from a couple places (a Haelian playthrough, and a comment somewhere) but like I said can't find any concrete evidence one way or another. Just need closure if PP is worth it during a Zeus run 😝
teal juniper
PP is nice regardless of what the run is
as it's free crit chance on most things
I doubt it works on lightning tho
like
take it if you get it
but don't worry if you don't
vital ledge
For sure. This is also an argument with my friends lol. Bordering on an inside joke that bolts don't crit
But now I need to know.
teal juniper
did what
teal juniper
NICE
turbid needle
second phase no DD
still got it baby
the thing was to get rid of all the summons before entering phase 2
river wing
summons all die as it phases
turbid needle
they're the worst at 2 blue hearts, armor, and if they're from elysium that's your health gon
teal juniper
yeah
cunning urchin
Killing summons is good anyway.
turbid needle
I get hit by the summons more than I get hit by dad
cunning urchin
and they fire nonstop
If it's Superelite Strongbows, you just gotta get behind something and wait if you can't burst through their armor. Strafing also helps a lot.
Same with Elite Strongbows tbh.
turbid needle
it kinda does, but 2 of them were near pillars
absolutely no escape or time to draw my bow
pseudo stream
Wait what does super elite mean?
river wing
the grey version of enemies found in erebus or spawn by hades
parting short on hera with aphro cast is so weird. it activates every once it a wihle. feels almsot like a crit. lmao
pseudo stream
Huh. I have no memory of seeing grey versions in Erebus, though hades definitely does weird stuff I’m mostly panicking in circles while fighting him still
weak violet
Hm, so imma guess achilles is mostly like a backstab build?
vale imp
no, I usually use it for Casts that don't stick in the enemy
vale imp
So like Blizzard shot, Crystals, Curse of Drowning
weak violet
Its a pretty good one, especially for the duo with artemis and ares
vale imp
Hunting blades is nice but i find that the damage is a little slow
pseudo stream
question: how much of the damage in teh game is multiplicative? are Chaos boons? cuz balance wise they shouldn't be, in retrospect haha
weak violet
Hm, doesn’t it still stun oponents when their hit by it? Sure it does some chip damage but if it can stun the oponent, then it would be a good stall type cast
vale imp
Almost nothing is multiplicative, any % increases are just added together afaik
vale imp
Hm, doesn’t it still stun oponents when their hit by it? Sure it does some chip ...
Sure, but it doesn't stun bosses
pseudo stream
I hope you're right and I was misinformed early, cuz that means chaos boons are good even if you have Doom/hangover effects
vale imp
Generally though my playstyle doesn't really like stall tactics
I always just want to kill things quicker
weak violet
Epic
opal lodge
only crits are multiplicative
vale imp
I hope you're right and I was misinformed early, cuz that means chaos boons are ...
The chaos boons for Attack, Special, and Cast would affect the base physical damage so yes they still work for the DOT effects
vale imp
it wouldn't affect the DOT damage, but each attack has base damage in itself
like without any boons, i think Twin fists does 15 on each attack
so a Chaos boon would affect that 15
but not the Hangover damage, that's separate i think
pseudo stream
yeah, so imagine we had 10 base damage, and had a 100% aph boon and 100% Chaos boon, if they're multiplicative you'd deal 40 damage, if not, 30...
actually explaining the marginal math gains here is only worth it if you're very curious, nm haha
vale imp
Yeah, i get what you mean anyway
I think for simplicity's sake, the devs just made all that just additive
opal lodge
no theyre additive
multiplicative damage gets out of hand very quickly
i think more stuff was multiplicative in early access but you'd end up with stupid 6-7x base damage modifiers
pseudo stream
yeah, it all being additive also means that you're not relying on strong synergies the same way, Chaos +50% attack adds the same amount of damage regardless of what boon you have, which is much much saner
cunning urchin
multiplicative damage gets out of hand very quickly
There have been no changes like that since Steam "release" during Early Access, anyway.
vale imp
well hey now, i wondered if this already existed
pseudo stream
woooow, so there was a ton of misinformation flying around here a few months ago, that makes so much sense and I've made some suboptimal decisions in game cuz of it 😛
opal lodge
yeah all damage except crits should be additive bonuses
pseudo stream
n ow I need to play more to take advantage of this new knowledge, UGH
vale imp
You learn new things everyday
like today I learned that Hunter's Mark is actually counted as a Status effect for Privileged Status
pseudo stream
yeah, but it can't go on your main target so it's not the best for that
vale imp
Is it almost useless for that, yes but still interesting
rare kindle
Yeah but most bosses have minions
river wing
theseus is a minion
rare kindle
so once you kill the minion, the mark might be put on the main boss
opal lodge
priv status is mostly useless as a mirror option imo
vale imp
Sure but even then the Mark doesn't last that long
pseudo stream
maybe, lasts a few seconds and does a tooon of damage
pseudo stream
privileged status last I checked was much more popular, it's not too hard to guarantee it works? that said I wouldn't mind switching and just... forgetting it for a while haha
river wing
priv status is okay. just pick it whenever you want to build for it
like chiron low tolorance
opal lodge
popular option among the general playerbase perhaps
vale imp
it's great but not when one of the statuses is Hunter's mark
opal lodge
i dont think its really popular among high heat or speedrunning outside of niche setups
pseudo stream
aph/art/demeter/ares all do statuses VERY easily
I mean high heat makes sense, once you dump your choices it... just isn't very good (my highest heat is 32)
vale imp
Should Art really be included, the status goes away really quickly
pseudo stream
speedrunning would be much more interesting, where do I look for high level speedrunning builds?
vale imp
Try the #h1-high-heat-strategies channel
pseudo stream
oops sorry, I meant runs to click through
vale imp
oh hmmm, the only speedrunner I follow is Haelian on YT i think
Could try him, he did a couple of Overexplained runs to show off common speedrunning techniques
opal lodge
speedrun.com has all runs listed
pseudo stream
oh neat, does look like the family one is more popular, I'll switch over and stop worrying forever yay
except on fist, cuz yay ares fist
sonic mural
why do people run poseidon attack/seastorm on lucifer but not on eris?
opal lodge
because that is a meme
super soaker is not supposed to be good
the category is about making what used to be a pretty slow weapon, with the weakest attack, go fast
sonic mural
so u still build eris build on lucifer?
sonic mural
damn luci is p boring then
pseudo stream
Is splash dash good for fun? I tend to stick to Athena whenever possible haha
river wing
Not just fun, it's really strong too.
opal lodge
splash dash is the highest base damage dash
deep salmon
i'm looking for zeus shield builds besides zeus boons
dry ember
Deadly Flourish is pretty ok
pseudo stream
Gun** not fun
dry ember
also yeah. apparently Tidal Dash Seastorm is kinda broken with Eris
solid cairn
splash dash is a great supplement to damage
pseudo stream
Better than deflecting? Huh
I believe it, I’ve mostly been avoiding splash dash but it seems better than I’d realized
river wing
dio is really strong on chiron
gloomy zenith
what’s chiron?
rare kindle
a bow aspect
river wing
and the cast is really strong as a core attack on some aspects too.
The cast is decent stand alone as non-core.
rare kindle
stygian festive fog beowulf shield go brr
of course, it helps if chaos gives you an extra bloodstone on the way
river wing
hangover is great in the right setups
sonic mural
in which weapon is dionysus better than artemis/zeus or something?
river wing
on chiron, it's good even at higher heats.
river wing
on hera/zag you can leave the hangover on enemy with special and use your other stuff
both builds are valid
opal lodge
i'm looking for zeus shield builds besides zeus boons
merciful end
fossil compass
if you take damage from chaos curse, does it disqualify you from thanatos butterfly?
river wing
🤔
deep salmon
wait, it also works with that?
opal lodge
yes
it is quite good
try ares attack and athena special
or the other way around
get ME
stonks
pseudo stream
How does merciful end work? If I Athena dash into a guy with doom, doom ends but they only take 40 damage?
river wing
they take 40 in addition to the doom
opal lodge
they take the doom damage and 40 extra
so you usually just attack with a move that applies doom, then follow it with a move that deflects
for zeus shield youd attack to apply the doom and then your special would immediately activate it
or vice versa
river wing
oh right. on the dio topic. dio's call is one of the better ones.
opal lodge
dio's lesser call is much better than greater call
river wing
yep. that's one of the reasons why it's so good.
final warren
I spent the longest time not paying attention to Dio's call
and then I got "forced" to take it
never really read what it does, just assumed it was standard hangover tics
wow was that a revelation
pseudo stream
Haha, isn’t it just stronger hangover? Also I never noticed the small calls are good, that’s great to know
deep salmon
poseidon's lesser call is also better than greater call once you get the duration extension boon
iirc
opaque hare
I don't understand hungover. Why would you get that when you can have doom
final warren
the hangover tics for Dio call are MASSIVE
deep salmon
depends on the build usually
i find dio hangover great by itself when duos that support it are unlocked
half light
getting dio and ares together can be fun; or dio and granny
opal lodge
Haha, isn’t it just stronger hangover? Also I never noticed the small calls are ...
the reason why its better to lesser call with dio is that the max stacks is 5 anyway
you dont get value from additional pulses of the greater call
pseudo stream
That makes sense, I just don’t pay much attention to calls and only notice them when they light up cuz I’m a bad
Sounds synergistic with Zeus
opal lodge
its all good, takes a while to get used to calling
pseudo stream
Haha I have like 150 runs and two weapons at 32 heat, it’s less experience and more just how I approach video games
I’m one of those “saves all your potions forever” guys
opaque hare
the reason why its better to lesser call with dio is that the max stacks is 5 an...
That's kinda what I'm talking about. Why would you get those few little ticks of damage over the burst of dooms
river wing
cause dooms doesn't hit often?
gloomy zenith
doom only takes one hit to activate, but that is less relevant with fast weapons
opal lodge
nyaanyaa did you get to test blizz shot
cunning urchin
I forgot what I wanted to test, so I just did a RI4 LC4 run lol.
opaque hare
I'm talking about like in your special. I can't see hangover dealing more damage
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish on Chiron is way better than Curse of Pain, yeah.
opal lodge
hangover on chiron? 👌
cunning urchin
I mean it works, but it's just less damage.
opaque hare
Also doom scales way too good
opal lodge
what do you mean when you say scales? what are you using to scale it
anything that scales flat dmg will be good with either doom or hangover
opaque hare
Poms and other booms that synergies with it
gray shore
Drunk is very high single target stacking dps
opal lodge
yeah flat dmg is very good with poms
opaque hare
From ares
opaque hare
Drunk is very high single target stacking dps
I see. That must be the advantage it has
gray shore
Pretty sure a fully decked out Drunken Flourish with Low Tolerance and Sweet Surrender outdps's Doom on Special
even considering Dire Misfortune and more doom damage for slower trigger (can't remember what that's called)
Doom is one of the highest damage output things in the game, but mostly when it triggers quickly say with Merciful End
opal lodge
sweet surrender is not important imo
gray shore
which bow doesn't tap into well
I'll agree that sweet surrender is optional
not required*
cunning urchin
Of course it's important. It's a boon from Lady Aphrodite.
river wing
free priv status too
cunning urchin
It's more important than Drunken Flourish in that build, obviously. 💗
hollow schooner
So how does the aspect of eris work? Do I need to have hazard bomb upgrade first?
opal lodge
nyaanyaa i must say your commitment in your youtube thumbnails is quite respectable
gray shore
So how does the aspect of eris work? Do I need to have hazard bomb upgrade first...
it's +75% global damage when it's active. That's just amazing
all of the time
river wing
just be in the blast.
opal lodge
So how does the aspect of eris work? Do I need to have hazard bomb upgrade first...
you dont need hammers, just stand in the special when it goes off
river wing
don't need hazard
cunning urchin
Thank you. I do my best to show what helped me the most in my thumbnails in every run. 💗
hollow schooner
Oh ok that’s good
opal lodge
you can tell if you have the buff by the red electric effect
theyre gonna make the buff more visually distinct in next patch
gray shore
Actually, you can learn to see buffs in general on yourself by particle effects surrounding Zagreus
although as Bright01 mentions they aren't too visually distinct right now
hollow schooner
Do u still take damage absorbing if u were to get the hazard upgrade tho?
opal lodge
yes
hollow schooner
Ok good to know
gray shore
You take 1% damage from hazard bomb
gray shore
you can still benefit from Eris buff though by i-framing through your special
opal lodge
and it is hard to i-frame unless you are experienced
hollow schooner
Yeah I’m gonna stay away from it with an eris run
gray shore
worth learning how to i-frame stuff at some point but maybe not first time
river wing
just hityourself. it's fun
gray shore
btw hazard bomb you can use whilst completing ignoring Eris buff potential
opal lodge
yeah and learning through hazard bomb eris isnt really the most intuitive way to learn to i frame things
hollow schooner
Right makes sense
river wing
it's cause hazard is base damage increase
hollow schooner
I have no idea how to make the bow good I just never use bows I unlocked chiron aspect but never tried a run with it
gray shore
it's cause hazard is base damage increase
that i did not know, but makes sense
in a similar way to Hestia right
gray shore
I have no idea how to make the bow good I just never use bows I unlocked chiron ...
Use distance to your advantage. The special has high utility on basic bow. Chiron needs level investment to really shine.
gray shore
I also find turning off aim-assist to be helpful if you're on KBM
river wing
i w ish aim-assist was stronger
specifically only for dash-strikes
it's so impossible to hit a dash-strike consistently. when you're dashing perpendicular to target
gray shore
you're talking about controller though right
cunning urchin
Bow is mainly just spam Dash-Strike Power Shots and get good hammers.
river wing
keyboard and mouse
cunning urchin
Twin Shot is #1.
river wing
aim assist on controller is good
cunning urchin
Perfect Shot is my #2, but I know some people prefer Triple Shot over it.
gray shore
because it often aims at the guy next to it rather than where I want it to go
which as a PC main player grinds my gears no end
river wing
Try using hestia and hitting a dash-strike as you're dashing perpendicular to target.
😐
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Attack and Divine Dash or Hunter Dash on Dash.
turbid needle
What should playstyle be like on Rama?
river wing
special stuff, and do your attack
turbid needle
I was told not to wait for attack to charge but I watched a run and they were doing otherwise so idk
cunning urchin
You can do Power Shots with Rama, yeah.
solid cairn
i w ish aim-assist was stronger
Con or KBM
river wing
KBM, and specifically only for dash-strikes
turbid needle
That's true, aim assist sucks on KBM
solid cairn
Game was meant for controller what can I say
turbid needle
I find myself hitting the wrong enemy a lot with aim assist on
cunning urchin
But you can do very well even without Power Shots, so if that's difficult for you, don't worry too much about it and just get a feel for the aspect for now.
river wing
A tiny charge is like 50base damage anyways. it's pretty decent
solid cairn
Just gonna do quick 32 heat rama
cunning urchin
Just gonna do quick 32 heat rama
Mirrorless?
solid cairn
No
cunning urchin
solid cairn
Not everyone is a based high heat gamer
cunning urchin
It's fun.
solid cairn
Have you done fresh file
half light
just throw away the first run to get keys then
cunning urchin
I'd rather do Lv.1 Guan Yu mirrorless with no keepsakes or House Contractor upgrades.
In Hell mode.
half light
you must really hate stygius
solid cairn
Truth be told I haven’t gotten into it yet
half light
what has it done to get you to hate it so much
half light
teach me your ways please because i'd take anything over guan yu
cunning urchin
Poseidon Aspect is okay because it lets you not play Stygius.
solid cairn
What about Arthur
solid cairn
Yes
cunning urchin
teach me your ways please because i'd take anything over guan yu
Okay, so this is the mirror setup you should use. It's really good. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420360928624660/Hades_1145.png?width=792&height=446
You can also do LC4 with this mirror setup. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/783419863493640234/Hades_1181.png?width=792&height=446
solid cairn
Everyone do high heat with sword to spite nyaa
half light
i asked a genuine question, cause i dnt know the guan yu strats really :)
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish are both really good.
half light
and i get boasts :)
cunning urchin
No, I want people to run RI4. It's fun.
Optimal rotation for DPS is Special > Dash-Strike x2.
half light
thats just fresh file with another weapon
still vigil
ri4...is fun?
cunning urchin
Best hammers are Charged Skewer >
Serrated Point. Breaching Skewer > Serrated Point probably if you already have Charged Skewer.
half light
ri4 is fun if you like fresh file but dont like swords apparently
cunning urchin
Massive Spin is alright for DPS if you can't get those three.
Serrated Point can be difficult to play, though, so you might need some practice with it first to become comfortable with it.
First victory screen I linked is pretty much the optimal build you can get on it.
Charged Skewer with Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Strike, Heart Rend, Smoldering Air, Divine Dash.
The alternative to Heart Rend is starting with Divine Flourish into Merciful End.
opal lodge
swords bad
cunning urchin
Guan Yu actually works very well with just Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish for ME. So you can prioritize that over Divine Dash and get Dash later.
pliant anvil
What's the new duration of eris?
cunning urchin
Oh wow the patch hit live already. That was fast.
cunning urchin
@opal lodge well, has he beaten your Beowulf Shackle record yet?
opal lodge
true
the real victory
tbh shackle beowulf felt quite fine
shield is safe
more at 7
prime plover
hooray eris is no longer the only aspect in the game
this is kind of a nothing post but i wish there was an achievement for killing Hades with Cold Snap
it was really nice
half light
wish there were more achievements in general
proven osprey
Like clearing with GY
half light
were any of the achievements secret?
cunning urchin
I finished one run with Guan Yu today. @proven osprey how many did you finish?
half light
some secret achievements wouldve been fun ._.
cunning urchin
You get secret dialogue if you get to Hades without boons.
proven osprey
.
proven osprey
I was in the crowd cheering for you. Did you see?
I doubt it...
turbid needle
Is Flury Shot for bow still in the game? (where there is no charge up animation), the wiki says its still in, but after 10+ runs i have not gotten it
cunning urchin
Flurry Shot can't be combined with Perfect Shot or Explosive Shot nor with Rama Aspect.
So that might be why.
Could also just be bad luck.
turbid needle
Yeah, already looked that up
I guess gonna be bad luck lol
Although i do remember in beta the flury + explosive combo
was mad
I wish that at higher ranks you could unlock some of forbiden combos
||endgame ranks||
lime lynx
What exactly is a seeded run vs unseeded? They restart if they don't get a specific setup early on for seeded?
Sry I am new to speed-runnable games 
Also someone cleared in under 6 mins? 
half light
seeded = you know how the rooms will look like beforehand
unseeded = everything but the first two rooms is a surprise :)
lime lynx
how would they know how the rooms will look beforehand??
cunning urchin
You can replay a seed if you give up.
cunning urchin
Unseeded means the seed is random.
half light
thats what the seed is
cunning urchin
You don't need a mod for seeded.
half light
the "seed" is the number, code, that directs how the rooms will look like
lime lynx
oh so if you try a run check out every room and give up the map would still be the same at the end?
half light
so you know the code of the run and you can predict what will happen
dire kelp
You don't need a mod for seeded.
You do if multiple people are trying to do the same run
half light
but apparently its a bit different with the hades seed gen so... it's special :)
lime lynx
I understand, I was just asking how people do it in this game. And it make sense.
dire kelp
And yeah it would be @lime lynx
cunning urchin
No, you don't. You can share save files.
Seeded was the meta for speedruns and high heat before 1.0.
We had no mod lol.
dire kelp
Ah alright
half light
(you can still mod the game to find/use the same seed :) )
cunning urchin
Unseeded runs have to show a previous death to prove the seed was random.
lime lynx
So if you give up, every option would be the same? Like people explore both chamber choices if there was a choice.
lime lynx
Then I misunderstood
half light
usually, yes, but with the special seed generation in hades it's a bit trickier to actually stay with the same seed
cunning urchin
There's a pseudo RNG, different actions outside of encounters move the RNG forward by different amounts. You can route an entire run this way with any chambers, boons, encounters, etc. that you want.
lime lynx
Understandable, they could technically generate a seed for each chamber but I assume it's not that common in these types of games?
half light
is it really called "pseudo RNG" or does the community/you call it that lol
lime lynx
In programming there is no 'true random'
half light
well to still have random enemy spawnrates it would be harder to generate a seed for every single room possible
lime lynx
So you'd have to convolute/obfuscate a seed such as timestamp to generate a seemingly random number.
dry ember
if you want to be really technical, video game RNG or computer RNG is all pseudo RNG
half light
ah i thought it would be called different in the world of rogue-likes/rogue-lites, thanks for the info!
dry ember
there is no algorithm that can generate true RNG. but for all practical purposes, it really doesn't matter
opal lodge
routing is quite interesting since voice lines and even shades in shop rooms consume rng uses
dry ember
nowadays people use pseudo RNG is specifically means things that you can somewhat control.
lime lynx
Easier determin-ability I assume.
dry ember
I think most procedurally generated games use some kind of seed, which means they are all deterministic. The question is who wants to put in the time and effort to determine those outcomes.
dull oriole
Mmmh, I'm on a bit of a janky build at the moment and am offered the second Daedalus hammer or a double boon room with my two main gods...
Wondering what I should pick.
dry ember
which weapon?
half light
speedrunners :) always speedrunners :)
opal lodge
take the trial if its boons you want
dry ember
and which hammers do you have?
dull oriole
Playing shield with the +4 strike on the special.
lime lynx
speedrunners :) always speedrunners :)
I am more of a slowrunner but I really just want to win without turning on god-mode and progress the story further 😄
dull oriole
I'm mainly using the cast and the special though I doubt I get to the end seeing how it's going so far.
Can always buy the hammer later.
half light
god-mode isnt even that helpful 
idk how its supposed to help, but ||father dearest|| still beat me in record speed when i grew desperate to find ||mother dearest||
dry ember
truly a tragedy of the ages
rare kindle
Lose more to be basically invincible
half light
losing is a different kind of winning
rare kindle
at 80% damage reduction from god mode, I think it'd be really hard to lose at that point
dry ember
it's not 80% by default
it's 20% then each time you die it increases a little until 80% max.
static karma
I'm having trouble with the butterfly keepsake, max I got was 26%, this run isn't going well
Often I fail bc I get hit just once
half light
take it slow, the butterfly only wants you to never get hit, maybe try a far-ranged weapon or get athena to deflect any attacks
spice turret
Hang on. Is... Is the draining cutter not updated?
Like, the patch notes say that it should be working under the effects of lasting consequences, but I just got draining cutter, and I very much see no restored HP.
frail schooner
it only works when you kill with the special
spice turret
I'm doing that.
I'm using Demeter Aspect, got Aphrodite on special...
To be clear, the patch notes gave me the impression that the regen actively pierced through even 100% lasting consequences.
' Draining Cutter (Fists): life drain now works under the effects of Lasting Consequences (Pact)'
Which to me read as 'even at full Lasting Consequences, draining cutter will be unaffected.'
But the thing is, I don't want to submit a bug report until I know that what I'm dealing with actually is a bug.
trim shard
opal lodge
artemis
proven osprey
Yeah that's how it is supposed to work
spice turret
Hmm. So it should be healing me, and yet it isn't...
unkempt pagoda
are you on the epic games version
EDIT: This patch is currently unavailable on the Epic Games Store version of Hades, pending a service outage. We will update again as soon as possible and appreciate your patience.
unless the service outage is already fixed
spice turret
Ahhh, that'll do it.
sturdy scaffold
Should I invest in aspect of rama or should I just stick with chiron
torpid wren
half light
depends on what you like more
you gotta use rama at least once for the prophecy, if you like it, invest, if not then not
solid cairn
@stark ore thoughts on Achilles buffs?
stark ore
Switch player so I don't have them yet but from what I've heard it seems really nice
solid cairn
I got 8:03 second attempt speedrunning them @stark ore
stark ore
Damn ok, def excited for when it hits Switch
solid cairn
So 2022?
turbid needle
is gilgamesh a good aspect?
proven osprey
Lot of dashes
lime lynx
Btw ty for the speedrun site earlier, after looking at what people played on Talos I was able to clear and finally unlock one more heat. I was just really missing damage, ME did short work of Hades.
weak violet
Gilgamesh is a pretty good aspect, but because it involves dashing so much, you’ll need to find good booms that work well for Gilga so yeah its a good aspect
Boons*
opal lodge
ME is quite good
proven osprey
Tidal dash is fun
weak violet
On Gilga?
proven osprey
Yeah
weak violet
Eh, i would rather have something like blade rift instead of knocking foes away
proven osprey
But it's hard to think of a build outside of ME imo
It deals a lot
Blade rift good yeah
weak violet
Or if you want to go for a tanky build u could do athena dash, add hyper sprint from hermes and your mostly tanking hits by then
left oak
Ohhhh my goodness, Curse of Doom + Dire Misfortune + ||Pom Blossom|| on Chaos Aegis is shredding through rooms like nothing. Plus with the multiple hit hammer?
It is a sight to behold
I think I clocked less than two minutes on Lernie
I beat the Witches' Circle in under 30 seconds
This is beautiful
vale imp
Sea Storm + Curse of Drowning on Achilles is very very fun
An unexpected problem was that using the special kept moving me around too much to maximize damage on the Cast
manic isle
I have a question about the fourth aspect of the sixth weapon and how it interacts with athena attack -- I'm not sure if this is a place for that kind of question or not?
turbid needle
Nah, this is the place.
manic isle
like either I'm doing something wrong or I'm misunderstanding a mechanic (or unlikely, something is broken)
turbid needle
The laser doesn't have a hitbox for Deflecting.
You, Zagreus, will Deflect any projectile as long as you're firing.
manic isle
but I can't figure out how to get the attack to actually deflect anything at all? even with the weapon directly
huh. maybe the thing I was failing to deflect isnt a projectile?
|| (Charon's purple attacks)||
turbid needle
The waves on the ground?
manic isle
those and also the spooky ghosty ones that come in large groups
turbid needle
I'm sorry, I don't have enough experience with that specific interaction.
manic isle
no worries -- I appreciate the info!
turbid needle
I know Divine Strike with Lucy has some pretty wonky interactions, moreso than most.
Hope you get it figured out, Charon's really strong.
unkempt pagoda
the actual deflective range is right around zagreus, unfortunately
so a projectile would have to be right on top of zag for it to deflect
(i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the laser doesn't destroy projectiles?)
left oak
Iirc those purple things don't deflect at all?
Although I could be very wrong
Also I just shaved almost 14 minutes off my best time
manic isle
yeah I was actively getting hit by the purples while firing, I'm 80% sure
rare kindle
is heart rend ok on fists?
I wanted to do something other than zeus attack, poseidon dash
I put aphrodite on special, artemis on attack
opal lodge
it's pretty nice with heavy knuckle tbh
especially on like talos
if you get drunken dash too
the DPS is big
half light
talos is underrated af ._.
weak violet
What does the Chiron aspect work well with?
Cuz i saw someone use zeus and poseidon for a build
small stirrup
I've heard that people like using Dionysis with Chiron as well
cosmic hornet
my fav is either dio or arte
i'm not sure zeus is the best because it has internal cooldown
small stirrup
It's still a lot of damage
And if people still use it, it must be good in some way
boreal harness
Chiron works best with Artemis on the special, imo, although it doesn't benefit much from privileged status (but family favourite is good enough usually). Zeus (or Poseidon+Sea Storm) have a cooldown of .2 seconds, so you'd get 1 or 2 procs max. Alternatively chill + Arctic blast or Doom + Dire Misfortune are other ways to capitalise on the high number of hits.
deep salmon
i wish heavy and rolling knuckles were stackable
woven delta
So what hammer upgrades would you guys suggest if I want to try doing a build around spear special?
So far only ones I could think of were that explosive one and maybe also the one that makes it ricochet towards another few enemies
half light
Chain Skewer, Breaching Skewer, Vicious Skewer, Exploding Launcher and Charged Skewer are the only hammer upgrades that do something to special
some are incompatible with aspect of achilles. chain skewer and exploding launcher dont like each other either. it depends on you whether you'd like the special to hit more people, do more damage, or do more damage to armor
boreal harness
Vicious skewer with Artemis and Athena for crits and backstab with exposed and maybe even some deadly reversal, that's a fun build. Alternatively, exploding launcher + Artemis for good spammable AoE damage. And chain skewer + Zeus special or Ares special for doom to multiple enemies from great distances are also good strategies, although those struggle against bosses a bit. Charged Skewer + Guan Yu is a great sniper build.
static karma
Any tips for 16 heat? Not sure if this goes in high heat strategies since 16 is high for me but not high in general
opal lodge
whichever honestly
vale imp
How are you with EM4?
opal lodge
but what pacts are you running?
static karma
I haven't tried EM4, I'm diong EM3
EM3 and Tight Deadline for sure (probably TD2)
not sure what are good ones other than that
opal lodge
EM3 and TD2 is a fine pact
static karma
I'm wondering what is good to fill in the rest of the heat
opal lodge
usually the first level of HL/JS isnt too bad
MM can be alright once you figure out the miniboss fights
like once you adjust
same thing with BP
if you want to go higher in heats too it's worth taking both of those
static karma
I am fine with middle management, I'm getting used to benefits package
1 benefits package is OK
two stacks is kinda rough for me
static karma
Last 16 heat attempt I died at the final boss, I was running EM3, MM, BP1, TD1, Convenience fee (1 stack), approval process (1 stack)
I'm never doing approval process again
oh and underworld customs
underworld customs has been fine if I don't use approval process
opal lodge
AP is quite bad
river wing
underworld customs is okay as long as it's not paired with CF
since you can easily buy lots of boons to sell
opal lodge
CF/UC/AP is a very deadly combo
you can probably take TD2/3 depending on how fast you usually go
static karma
If I got to the 2nd phase of final boss with that combo then an easier combo would be OK for me right?
river wing
infact UC itself is not punishing at all. lets you pom more accurately and get gold to buy more boons to sell to buy more
static karma
I can't do TD3 even with no other factors
static karma
TD2 is fine tho
river wing
how do you find FO?
static karma
I haven't tried it yet
but I feel like I'd probably get hit a lot more by bosses
especially EM3 and the final boss
I haven't ever actually tried forced overtime though
opal lodge
FO1 is usually ok
FO2 can be overwhelming
a lot of pacts is just trying to see what you find difficult
unless it's AP
no one likes AP
static karma
I see. TD2 I can do with fists and my better weapons but TD1 with my worse weapons
would be what I'd have to do
static karma
I don't see what's fun about approval process
river wing
makes every run different.
;D
for real tho. AP2 with no god keepsake. makes it feel more roguelite-ish
static karma
Problem is I'm not that good at the game
I did do 8 heat with all weapons
and 11 with fists
but I have a lot to learn lol
I may do approval process as my only heat one time just so I can get the prophecy
I'm not sure how I'd get the heightened security clear though
since it can easily one shot me
river wing
just roll for aethena sure footing
static karma
heightened security is probably the worst 1 heat option ever
river wing
which reduce trap daamge
cosmic hornet
i've been wondering which one is better on bosses
chaos shield zeus special or chaos shield dio special
zeus shouldn't proc for all the shield if shotgunned right?
deep salmon
how do you guys set up exclusive access boon asap
topaz dagger
If I have Aspect of Beowulf, does Ravenous Will turn on if all my casts are loaded in the shield?
opal lodge
yes
opal lodge
how do you guys set up exclusive access boon asap
works best with a build that starts with poseidon or dio
i do a bit on dio cast beowulf
where you start dio cast and hope for an early poseidon
turbid needle
Okay have rail gun with lighting and jolted, do I go cold fusion or splitting bolt?
tawny meadow
splitting IMO
turbid needle
Okay hope it feels op no. So far it's been a horrible run.
Hating Lucifer gun. The special hell fire is so awkward
opal lodge
splitting bolt is much better than cold fusion
solid cairn
zeus is imo the best designed god
in terms of his mechanics and boons
like, splitting bolt is a top tier legendary because it will always be a huge grab if you have the prereqs
which is not the case for something like second wave or fully loaded
static karma
I wonder how I should slowly work myself into high heat? I did 8 heat with all weapons and 11 with fists, I am aiming for 16 with all weapons now
I want to eventually do at least 32 heat
Not sure if I’ll hit a wall before then though
Since I need to still master EM3 and I have never tried EM4
I have to wear acorn in EM3
opal lodge
i wear acorn in EM3
pseudo stream
for Achilles, what kind of stuff am I looking for?
just got a hammer and no idea what to do with it haha
tawny meadow
uhh serrated point and flurry/triple jab IIRC
pseudo stream
Massive Spin, Vicious Skewer, and Flurry Jab all seem kinda bad?
woven delta
Massive Spin can be good on Hades since it means applying that damage bonus to a lot more enemies
From my experience, anyways
pseudo stream
I'm on Achilles atm, I've played a fair bit of Hades and Guan Yu and am trying this one out now
tawny meadow
ehh the people I know from the challenge/speedrun communities hate spin hammers across all aspects
pseudo stream
so is Flurry Jab any good? I have Athena attack atm
muted plank
Flurry jab is one of the best spear hammers
pseudo stream
nice, cool thanks 😄
I don't think I've used it since the time I got it for the prophecy haha
tawny meadow
flurry/triple/serrated right?
muted plank
triple is kinda meh
opal lodge
triple is always worse than you think it is
rare kindle
Triple is hard to aim
unkempt pagoda
can the update drop on egs so i can go back to being a zagbow main instead of using rama
zagbow was my one true love
muted plank
if you truly loved zagbow you would use it even if it's bad 
unkempt pagoda
i was tempted away by the likes of ledger and tailesque
i will apologize and go back to it properly 😔
tawny meadow
I like Rama but I suck so
silver sky
I just maxed both Gaun Yu after finishing maxing Cerebus' collar
Any ideas for a build? I know there is one boon that gives you more heath per max hp pickup, and there is one chaos boon that gives you a bunch of extra max hp if I'm lucky too
gloomy zenith
are any of the non-default spear aspects any good
silver sky
Gaun Yu seems like it could be great if only I knew how to use it without dying
river wing
yes
gloomy zenith
which ones
opal lodge
the rush is not the important part
river wing
it's amazing. +150% damage to your next atk/cast
opal lodge
the +150% buff to your next four attacks is
river wing
it's the only aspect that can give your cast so much damage
and crit builds work very well with increased attacks
gloomy zenith
oh i didn't know it gave you more damage of your next attacks
silver sky
wow deadly flourish seems great with guan yu
Your Special is stronger, with +20% chance to deal Critical Damage.
river wing
it is. if you get charged skewer with it, you're in a very good shape
boreal harness
Deadly flourish is probably one of the best flourishes there is. It's good with 90% of the builds.
muted plank
Lvl 1 Common deadly flourish with charged skewer will carry you the entire game
gloomy zenith
what are good casts? i usually go with artemis
muted plank
For achilles?
gloomy zenith
yeah
boreal harness
Depends on whether you're building a cast build or just having it to use sometimes
opal lodge
zeus or poseidon is my go to on low heat
muted plank
Zeus
boreal harness
I like crystal clarity and hunting blades with Achilles
opal lodge
zeus is the better choice, poseidon is the more fun choice imo
silver sky
Zeus/Athena for me yeah
gloomy zenith
or just in general as well
silver sky
What is poseidon's again?
opal lodge
crystal beams/hunting blades is also very good
deep salmon
flood shot
river wing
all the cast will work pretty well. artemis neesd the most work tho, due to being single target.
boreal harness
But curse of drowning is also good since dragon rush often puts you in melee range.
gloomy zenith
i don't like demeter cast
boreal harness
Crystal beam is pretty bad, but crystal clarity is the safest cast ever
silver sky
unfortuantely I cant posts pics but my dumbass just googled "poseidon cast" and got the cast of the movie poseidon
gloomy zenith
even with the artemis duo it wasn't that good
boreal harness
But you need freezing glare and Stygian soul with more casts to make most of it.
It gets very ridiculous very fast if you manage to get crystal clarity.
silver sky
I never notice knockaway damage
Does knock away damage really do much of anything at all??
opal lodge
yes
boreal harness
Just use the special once and rush, then use crystal beam four times, rinse and repeat
Most things will die regardless of positioning
river wing
yea. esp with extra poiseidon boons, wall slam does alot.
it's an aoe cast which makes it really fun to play with
silver sky
Wall Slam is so so situational though
boreal harness
The watery blast is good
silver sky
What can wall slam be used for except like, 3 specific enemies
opal lodge
it's really good because of the aoe
silver sky
louts, asterius, and probably some third enemy I'm forgetting about. the spear regenerating things I guess
opal lodge
why those 3 lol? you can wall slam wheneve ryou have a wall
opal lodge
any enemy can be slammed into walls using poseidon knockback effects
river wing
that's not what a wall slam is
boreal harness
Wall slam can affect pretty much any non-boss mob except for the stationary ones like the pile of skulls
river wing
wall slam is when you knockback an enemy into a wall
silver sky
So you have to have bull rush?
boreal harness
Any knockback effect can wall slam
silver sky
wait then whats the difference between wall slam and anything else with knock away damage
boreal harness
Poseidon, shield attack, sword special
silver sky
there are some boons that up wall-slam damage, and others that do "knock away" damage
boreal harness
Whenever a knockback effect is interrupted by a wall, it's a wall slam
silver sky
hm ok
Man I wish I could test boons on skelly
Like just as a test and then when you go out to tartarus you don't have them anymore. just say the gods let you have all of their boons whenever you want in that room. like, just to practice
opal lodge
think theres mods for that
silver sky
I wish I could customize skelly too! Like give him a bunch more health. make him bigger
....there are mods for hades?
damn, so many of these are just cheats that do not look fun lol
static karma
Lost my 16 heat attempt at the final boss 😦
I had good luck too :/
I hope I can get better at this game, maybe I should choose different heat factors for 16 heat, mainly I need to change Tight Deadline 2 to Tight Deadline 1 and Benefits Package 2 to benefits package 1 but not sure how to fill in the missing heat
silver sky
you are at 16 heat and want to get better lol
static karma
I haven't beaten 16 heat yet
my highest so far is 11 I'm aiming for 16
I have 8 heat on all weapons 11 on fists
boreal harness
People are doing 50+ heat now, it's insane
silver sky
I hope I can get better at this game
static karma
I like improving at the game myself
silver sky
just that that implied you are bad at the game lol
silver sky
when you've gotten to 11 heat
static karma
I have to wear acorn for EM3 still
silver sky
EM?
static karma
extreme measures
boreal harness
Extreme measures
turbid needle
16 isn't bad, only 5% of steam players got to beat it
So give yourself a pat when you do
river wing
are you taking adventage of free rooms, midshop etc. td2 isn't that tight if you do.
static karma
I hope I can get to that, and good point
I have been for TD2 and that did help, I may try TD2 again
benefits package 2 was rough though
1 is doable
For fists I'll do damage shields
which makes it 15
not sure what to do for other weapons tho
boreal harness
What build are you using? There are definitely ones that are more skill-based and ones that are more forgiving
turbid needle
DC 2 is good for fists
static karma
Is 1 point of hard labor or lasting consequences harder
boreal harness
Eris, for example, is much more forgiving than, say, Chiron
static karma
I'm running middle managment
My best weapon is demeter fists
I got that to 11 heat
How bad is jury summons with TD1
turbid needle
What other modifiers did you take?
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probably not very right?
turbid needle
I think jury summons is fine with fists
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My last run: EM3, MM, BP2, TD2
Lost to final boss 2nd phase
I was lucky too in finding a DD in a well
I had enough time for TD2 to go into another chamber in Styx even though I had 2 sack
I found another DD in that third chamber
I do zeus on attack for demeter fists
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Zeus on fists in very good, especially with additional +damage modifiers like rush delivery or high confidence
It scales much better than, say, Athena on attack
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I don't run high confidence lol
especially when raising heat
but I never have run high confidence ever
turbid needle
i've been told EM3 is bad for fists. i didn't take it when i did 32
beyblade asterius is a pain
calisthenics program 1 isnt noticeable
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But think of it this way, if you get 2 health instead of boons, you get 25% damage boost instead of 2 boons.
river wing
cp1 D:
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Usually you don't get a 25% damage boost with 2 boons
river wing
js 1 is easier than cp1
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I personally did not notice a difference with cp1 while js1 was noticeable lol
turbid needle
oh yeah its awful
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Damage shield is for fist, rail, Rama special, crystal beam, etc
Where it's almost free
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Jury summons better with zeus
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I'll run jury summons then bc I hate lasting consequences
zeus on sword isn't good though is it?
or not optimal at least
turbid needle
wait, you're not on fists?
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Sometimes jury summons with Zeus builds can increase dps
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Well I am either going for demeter fists or athur swords
river wing
if you're doing zeus fist. do DC2? it's free
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I'm going to try arthur sword
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Don't use Zeus with Arthur
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bc I tried fists for my last run
turbid needle
go artemis for arthur
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I was thinking aphrodite
opal lodge
do not do DC with arthur