The thing with tier list is people will always disagree with them
#h1-builds-and-combat
dry ember
But people are entitled to their opinion
So I'll be nice and say I would love to agree with that tier list, but I see things differently.
half crater
indeed
opal lodge
chiron is probably one of the worse bows imo rn
but yeah people entitled to their opinion
i guess ease of use factors into it
dry ember
I bet the dude plays Zag Bow close quarter but with special build
and Chiron is just a plain better aspect of doing that
opal lodge
LOL
dry ember
Arguably, if you get used to dashing next to enemies and shotgunning them with the bow special, Zagreus outdamages Chiron. You can also get Charged Volley (+300% special damage) on this weapon, which is unavailable on both Rama and Chiron.
My God, I swear I didn't read the article
I was spot on xD
opal lodge
isnt charged volley +200%? am i dumb
dry ember
Tbh I would look like a fool, too had I not seen Tail's Rama clear.
opal lodge
jk i was thinking of charged flight
yeah i didnt think much of rama when i unlocked it
royal helm
I think Rama is better... since it needs only one boon, Deadly Strike
cunning urchin
It doesn't even need that lol.
river wing
that's one weird tier list
. If you don’t have this weapon equipped and you press the spell button three times and then use the attack button, you also deliver 3 spells and a standard attack. So what is the point of this weapon?
🤔
o puts zag sword as B. and nem as C. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion 👍
dry ember
I think it's like what's the difference between take Zag Bow and do casts separately instead then attack
He doesn't see the point of loading
It's an extra step to him
river wing
maybe it won't make a difference if you're not on a tight deadline
dry ember
I wouldn't be too harsh on the tier list.
Video game journalism usually just skims the surface of a game, enough to give generic advice.
Arguably Hera Bow can be hard to play.
For casual players
I remember starting out not understanding the importance of dash striking
Or build optimization
I doubt the writer even beat 32 heat at all since he plays close combat Zag Bow with spec build.
languid dagger
To me Rama bow is just amazing
no way it's b-tier
it's also super versatile, you can play ranged with it, you can play close quarters
dps you can squeeze out of it just insane
robust warren
what are good fun casts with hera other than trippy shot?
robust warren
flood shot sounds nutty
small stirrup
We all have our own preferences 
gray shore
I wonder if it's a preferences thing or
how many heat levels they've done
Chiron is very very very accessible for early game
small stirrup
True
But I think the best way to tell if a weapon is good or not, is to see how far up the heat ladder it can go
I have yet to finish heat 40 with Hestia but everything is working just fine
gray shore
So, as someone who is interested in high heat, I'm inclined to agree
but you know
maybe this content creator
played heat 20 and thought
chiron ez mode andd oesn't have damage issues
Rama kinda overkills things at low heat
small stirrup
Well I'm inclined to think that anyone who thinks 20 heat is hard is kinda oblivious 😅
It's easy to completely shred through 20 heat with any weapon
But to be fair I think I can say this cause I'm very used to High heat
gray shore
just saying we have no idea, but that's what I think is implied by that tier list
20 heat is easy
proven osprey
gray shore
unless you intentionally choose a suicidal pact setup
river wing
one has to wonder if the aspects are even maxed out UwU
gray shore
EM4 JS1 HL2 CP1 FO2
small stirrup
Very true
gray shore
small stirrup
EM and FO 2 are enough to make me wanna cry ;-;
river wing
there's much easier 20 set ups. but yea your point got across
small stirrup
Lmao GY worked fine for me even when it wasn't maxed
But the decreased health loss is definitely better
gray shore
there's much easier 20 set ups. but yea your point got across
Tbf I was practicing EM4 FO2 naked and it was not easy
I won 1 lost 1 sooooo
proven osprey
I remember my first FO run
I died quick
And I thought I would not adapt to this, so I switched to FO2
proven osprey
EM3 FO2 can be tricky sometimes
Theseus is an acorn killer
Asterius is a killer
What a good team
river wing
i have yet to test the arthur thing, i really wonder if it's consistent
gray shore
which arthur thing?
river wing
royal helm
He doesn't see the point of loading
Kind of sensible... from the perspective of having one cast stone... and no mirror
Which I would suspect a bunch of journalists didn't play more than 15-25 runs
Hera is quite bad without investment
small stirrup
You don't really need to invest in Hera's bow specifically for it to be good
small stirrup
Agreed
royal helm
I think you want it down to 6.67s ... which is like 6-9 bloods? But if you only have one cast stone... I think it's relatively bad
Which is a mirror upgrade
Stygian/Infernal Soul
small stirrup
Any cast loading weapon is definitely better with Stygian soul. period.
half crater
disagree tbh
small stirrup
HO HO HO
Mukate kurunoka? @half crater
Why do you disagree though?
Pretty curious
royal helm
I like Infernal Soul a lot more... but 🤷♂️
small stirrup
On Hera/Beowulf?
royal helm
On both, yeah
If you do Trippy Shot, Stygian Soul is better, though, admittedly
I don't play Trippy Shot though
royal helm
Usually True Shot
small stirrup
I think I mixed this up
half crater
aphro cast on beo is real good
royal helm
Stygian is the 3 second restore. Infernal is 3 cast stones
half crater
i don't play Hera that much, but it has a buff that literally does nothing for stygian
ah
small stirrup
Gomen
half crater
well, still disagree then
small stirrup
Wait what
half crater
trippy shot stygian is one of the classic beo builds
its also one of the classic hera builds
royal helm
I don't think it is bad. I just like Infernal Soul more
small stirrup
True true
half crater
both weapons ignore Trippy's weakness (lobbing) so its good synergy
royal helm
Playing around that 3 second window ... kind of annoys me
half crater
and if you're running trippy, stygian is just better
proven osprey
Mukate kurunoka? <@!309651131213152258>
royal helm
And yeah... Trippy Shot is ... just kind of pointless on Infernal Soul
It takes too long to drop the cast stone
half crater
yeah exactly
small stirrup
but doesn't trippy shot change all together while using beo?
half crater
plus it opens up Bad News which is one of the best boons in the game for trippy builds
nah its basically the same
slight damage change iirc?
its small enough i don't even notice honestly
small stirrup
The mist still shows up?
half crater
yup
proven osprey
wait
people are doing other things that triple load dio's cast into Hera to unleash armaggedon ?
half crater
um
short answer yes
you need to wait a billion years to get your casts back with infernal trippy
proven osprey
never used hera in high heat tho
half crater
unless you mean "use stygian trippy but get +2 cast stones and then triple load" in which case correct
same honestly
i did 32 with it, but i mostly just find beo more fun
proven osprey
I got some big number with blizzard shot, that's it
lemme find it
good old times
royal helm
what on earth
half crater
nice
royal helm
I didn't even realize you could load a Blizzard Shot into it
proven osprey
That was one of the first Nyaanyaa's build recommendation
May her soul rest in peace where she is 👼
gray shore
i have yet to test the arthur thing, i really wonder if it's consistent
saw this happen as well before but had no idea why it happened
spiral tree
top 3 aspects?
river wing
depends what your objective is
spiral tree
in general regardless of heat like as in power
OP ness
whatever
is chiron really the best?
river wing
no
gray shore
I mean that's such a loaded question imo
royal helm
wjat. sje [psted ;ole 3 jpirs agp/// O dpm
river wing
things differ in relative power from low to high heat
gray shore
^
royal helm
oh god. That face when you type one finger off home row
She posted 3 hours ago. So there's no need for soul resting, I think
gray shore
I would argue that many of the best builds for learning the game and playing low heat
have very high defensibility but mediocre damage
that mediocre damage does not become apparent until you get to high heat
proven osprey
wjat. sje [psted ;ole 3 jpirs agp/// O dpm
hey I could read this
gray shore
so saying there's a tier list of weapon for general OPness seems to miss the point in my eyes
royal helm
High heat... you definitely will start to feel the effects and restriction of RNG and limited boons... AP1/2 (esp on hammers)
gray shore
I'd say Chiron is one of the best weapons in the game when learning Hades
then its limitations become apparent
proven osprey
She posted 3 hours ago. So there's no need for soul resting, I think
yeah sure
royal helm
Yeah... sometimes I set my fingers one key off and ... it makes for comedy
gray shore
and now I play almost no Chiron
gray shore
Yeah... sometimes I set my fingers one key off and ... it makes for comedy
topkek indeed
royal helm
and once you do it, you might as well press enter, right?
proven osprey
You're totally right
I don't even think before posting
and some people might have noticed
unexpected results, just like finger shenanigans
royal helm
thought overrated
spiral tree
what aspect is better than chiron
lyric swan
hello everyone! fairly new player here, I'd like some advice on must-have mirror buffs. sorry if this is redundant or if there's already a handy guide I haven't seen yet!
edgy steeple
what aspect is better than chiron
All of bow aspects aside from the basic is good
edgy steeple
hello everyone! fairly new player here, I'd like some advice on must-have mirror...
double dash and either death defiance or stubborn defiance is must have
lyric swan
double dash and either death defiance or stubborn defiance is must have
sweet, picked those up already! guess everything beyond is just preference as you will max it all out anyway at some point? thanks for the help!
gray shore
what aspect is better than chiron
Rama is high execution high reward
with very high potential for damage and room clear
if you're talking out of all the aspects
Hades' spear, Eris gun are arguably stronger than Chiron
proven osprey
Hades hm
quick trellis
proven osprey
I like it
river wing
i wish spin buff works on spin thats all i ask for
proven osprey
It's efficient without much boons
gray shore
I think part of it is that Chiron has a very noticeable capout
especially if you don't highroll the build of dreams
whereas Hades' niche is always strong and gets the job done
same with Eris
primal hazel
primal hazel
Worst Trade deal in history
river wing
you'll get dividends when you defy death 😉
river wing
Serrated edge, more like double edged
cunning urchin
May her soul rest in peace where she is 👼
Wut?
gray shore
He was just hoping that you were resting
so you'd stop dropping savagely sage wisdom upon him
royal helm
I think even the Zagreus bow is very good...
All bow aspects are good
EM3 Asterius with Serrated Point? ... kind of brutal
Oh and FO2
undone anvil
is it possible to switch boons twice in a run? say you have Zeus' attack and switch to Ares' when offered, is there then a chance that you'll get offered, say, Poseidon's attack? or is there a hard limit
I understand it would be a very rare occasion if it's possible
tall root
I've never had it happen, If an attack is really not working for me I purge it but I don't think I play exactly optimally
undone anvil
yeah I very rarely even choose to switch my boons when offered, I'm just curious if anyone's ever had it happen
primal hazel
is it possible to switch boons twice in a run? say you have Zeus' attack and swi...
Very rare but should be possible
But I'm with owl there
Usually it shouldn't happen that u take a core boon for the sake of having a core boon
Aside from filler
tall root
Found an interesting little quirk this run. If you put Theseus in the Excalibur aura while he's in his final phase it also slows the Olympians attacks, I assumed they ran off the same code as the dual boon rooms, but it seems they're tied to Theseus himself
undone anvil
that's really cool, I found out a couple of days ago that the aura also disables certain traps if you land it on them
tall root
that's pretty neat, hadn't noticed that one
undone anvil
it can disable spikes and the buttons that cause statues to shoot at you, also you can place it on the lava in Asphodel and just walk on top of it until the aura expires
there's probably more it can do but I haven't experimented a lot with it
tall root
One day I'll be skilled enough to utilise it to its' full potential
proven osprey
Wut? <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
Dunno about that one either, inspiration of the moment ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cunning urchin
polar sandal
do things that give a chance at evasion stack with each other?
aspects/trinkets/boons etc
solid cairn
Assuming max stacks, is curse of nausea or the Dio aphro duo more damage over time
static karma
What are good builds and tips for spear? It’s my least practiced weapon and I only have one non god mode clear with spear. With spear I feel like I’m too close to my opponent without getting good damage as a reward. I’m wondering how to use Achilles aspect in particular
static karma
Is Achilles or hades better? I have level 3 Achilles and 2 hades i think
For spear aspects and ease of use
turbid needle
Depends on the heat level you are at
But generally speaking Achilles spear is better
Hades spear isn't too far behind tho
Either way both are good
teal quest
Hades spear is too slow for my taste, more for chunky hits and more focused on the spin mechanic, which is also not my taste, too risky IMO
Achilles good for special and cast if you're not accustomed to spear mechanics, also any spear with flurry just makes things easier in general
cunning urchin
Assuming max stacks, is curse of nausea or the Dio aphro duo more damage over ti...
Low Tolerance. But that's not taking into account other damage sources that can crit, t2 boons, etc.
devout ether
Curse of Nausea does more damage with fewer stacks, so if you're not constantly keeping the enemy at 8 stacks with LT, Nausea is better
river wing
yep. 7 stacks is slightly less (basically identical) compared to curse at 5
lyric swan
hey everyone, what aspects should I look into getting first? any weapon. only got 8 titan bloods so far
river wing
it depends what you enjoy
lyric swan
most enjoyable so far have been rail gun and shield personally
opal lodge
keep in mind you can unlock curse of nausea with curse of vengeance
river wing
hmm. chaos shield needs more blood to be effective.
zeus can do more stuff with high level. but lvl1 will suffice for certain builds.
zag shield is pretty good, it focus mainly on attack.
for rail, both eris and hestia are really good, but they do need to be high leveled to be effective.
it takes around 15 blood to max an aspect.
5 blood for zag aspects.
zeus shield playstyle is quite different from the normal shield tho.
subtle verge
zeus shield is so diffucult to play
lyric swan
hmm. chaos shield needs more blood to be effective.
zeus can do more stuff with ...
thanks for the write-up!
Aspect of Eris on the rail gun sounds pretty good, but I feel like you need the Daedalus upgrade that gives you 5 bombs, tho
stoic sapphire
eris rail is the only aspect I've managed to get multiple clears on, and that was before I pushed blood into it. Just my experience
river wing
Eris rail is strong because the damage increases everything. So your lighting strike from zeus, your dash, support fire, aid, etc.
devout ether
Aspect of Eris on the rail gun sounds pretty good, but I feel like you need the ...
Not by a longshot
lyric swan
Not by a longshot
that's good then!
stoic sapphire
word on the street is there's multiple paths to victory with anything, I haven't found them yet though.
devout ether
Though I do recommend you play Eris enough to get Cluster Rockets, just to understand what true power is
devout shell
hi fine people, I just wanted to ask a small question : I was just testing damage before doing a cast build with poseidon sword and I saw that the special attack does the same damage as the cast when it actually dislodge one. This info is not told in the game so I was wondering if it was widely known and if it was a bug or an intended feature
stoic sapphire
that's expected. Your stones don't do damage when dislodged unless you get a special boon
river wing
did you have exit wounds?
river wing
not quite sure i understand what you're trying to say
devout shell
well
river wing
so you're saying the special does different amount?
devout shell
I do a special
river wing
or..
river wing
Mmhmm?
devout shell
oh yes
river wing
boiling blood i meant
devout ether
You deal more damage to enemies with bloodstones in them
devout shell
of course
river wing
50% more damage with blood stone. Since youre sword does 50 base. it adds 25
devout shell
sorry then^^
river wing
np 😛
devout shell
it is indeed that
stoic sapphire
can just switch away from boiling blood if you want to test
devout shell
that is what I just did^^
turbid needle
How the hell do you guys up your damage so high. All my bossfights are mostly endurance tests. Especially the harder version of elysium champions.
Every time i go for the poms it’s never enough scaling
river wing
strong build and synergy.
turbid needle
I’ve seen some people just burst bosses down in seconds
devout ether
Combining boons is more damage than just pomming one boon over and over
turbid needle
Yeah, this one I figured out. Sometimes just the amount of multiple flat damage sources does the job
river wing
it rarely does. You can have decent damage that way though.
devout ether
I recommend watching some streamers/speedrunners to get a general idea of what's good
proven osprey
How the hell do you guys up your damage so high. All my bossfights are mostly en...
There is a guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players . It's general lines for each weapon. Try it and feel free to ask here anytime for more detail
turbid needle
Ooh
opal lodge
first pom is always the most important pom
everything else after that is diminishing returns
river wing
some duo boons strong
proven osprey
... Indeed.
devout ether
everything else after that is diminishing returns
Except for Cyrstal Beam and Hangover boons, which means they are objectively the best boons
deep salmon
i usually do anvil when i have a trash upgrade
but ye, this is stupid of me on this clip
rip my ez debuff aphrodite rocket
but i still escaped
devout ether
Well, targeting system is great at least
deep salmon
i never got real use to that on hades since i only use a keyboard to play
rail sucks on that setup unless i get rocket
rare kindle
What’s your favorite legendary?
deep salmon
unhealthy fixation, vicious cycle and winter harvest
spiral tree
someone here last night said the best way to rate aspects is to see how far you can get with them heat wise
I totally agree
say for bow which aspect works best in both low n high heat?
proven osprey
someone here last night said the best way to rate aspects is to see how far you ...
Yeah but all weapons can go very high. Some just don't requiere as much investment as the others
In terms of practice I mean
spiral tree
best chiron builds?/keepsake recs?
lilac nebula
Does the zeus boons work on fast attacks by basically adding a flat number to damage or does it have some sort of cooldown?
gray shore
best chiron builds?/keepsake recs?
how much mirror have you got unlocked
you can try Heart Rend with Aphrodite on Strike and Artemis on Flourish
and do a billion damage
but Heart Rend is a duo boon
river wing
Works on fast attacks, not special
lilac nebula
I got the 4th bow aspect and just did a run with spamming special with zeus' bonus on that, and i'm not sure if the reason everything melted was just because the bow is op or if the flat damage increase gived insane dps
spiral tree
everything maxed @gray shore I'm up to 23 heat with arthur
gray shore
sounds good
Yeah Heart Rend and Low Tolerance builds are worth trying
Heart Rend is the most insane dps you can get
river wing
esp if you get nice hammers
lilac nebula
Works on fast attacks, not special
Does it not work on specials? Does it only proc once?
river wing
there's a small cooldown per target
lilac nebula
I see... Guess i'll have to try the aspect again, but this time with a better boon setup to see it's true potential
opaque hare
I have recently unlocked the aspect of Rama and though it does tremendous damage I wonder if it's worth it because it charges up slow
river wing
You can dash strike
devout ether
You should ALWAYS dash strike with all bows
dry ember
Rama Dash Strike power shot is 125
devout ether
Also, you always want to have the debuff going
dry ember
which can be done
river wing
while the normal shot is up to 120
dry ember
even on FO2
opal lodge
dash strike being weaker doesnt matter when you overkill things on rama
opaque hare
I didn't look it up but I thought all weapons abuse dash strike except for the bow
devout ether
But yeah, you really want to get into the habit of dash attacking with all bows, and learning the power shot timing
dry ember
I didn't look it up but I thought all weapons abuse dash strike except for the b...
This is general true, sure
devout ether
You thought wrong, lmao, dash attack is the most important on bow
devout ether
Most weapons want to use dash attack because dash attack is very good, yes
dry ember
I can't read
All weapons abuse dash strike, especially the bow.
Forgive me misreading that lol
opal lodge
spear dash strike is not as good tbh
dry ember
Something something serrated edge
opal lodge
yup
opaque hare
All weapons abuse dash strike, *especially* the bow.
Lmaoo
dry ember
If you want to be really technical, there is one weapon that cannot abuse dash strike
devout ether
spear dash strike is not as good tbh
spear (...) is not as good
opaque hare
Which one
opal lodge
achilles is amazing rn
dry ember
You still abuse dash and strike
devout ether
Ramping lucifer damage is overrated imo
dry ember
But you can't dash strike because Luci doesn't have that move set
devout ether
Dash away
river wing
you can ramp while dashing ;D
dry ember
You also can't get Hunter Dash on Luci for that reason
Yeah, that's why I said technically
river wing
im replying to queen
dry ember
oh ok
opaque hare
Which one is lucifer. I have unlocked just Rama and the spear one so far
dry ember
4th rail
opaque hare
Dash striking is fun but I'm not really into it
cunning urchin
Spear is great.
devout ether
Dash striking is fun but I'm not really into it
Well, you're gonna have a bad time with Rama then
opaque hare
I had
rare kindle
I dash strike all the time for those i frames
opaque hare
But damn the power shot is huge
dry ember
but but you can also power shot on dash strikes
opaque hare
Wutt
opaque hare
How
dry ember
uhh dash then strike
and hold the strike till the flash?
the charge timing is shorter
for a slightly lower damage
opaque hare
Ahhh
dry ember
take zag bow: normal power shot does 60, dash strike power shot does 50 damage
but with a lower charge time
opaque hare
I'm gonna be dashing then
dry ember
there is a subtle animation change if you do it right
Zag should lean backward, not forward
opaque hare
Nice. Good to know
opaque hare
Not when dashing
devout ether
Well there's your problem
opaque hare
But what's the difference if you're gonna load it. Dashing or not you are hitting from a distance. If I dash strike is for a close range attack
devout ether
Because.... it charges faster
opaque hare
I didn't that now I get it
devout ether
You can dash away and attack as well
devout ether
It charges faster
What did ou think I meant when I said "it charges faster"
opaque hare
I get it now. I didn't know it charges faster that way
opaque hare
The main reason Im asking about this is because I suspect the bow may be way slower that any other weapon. Now that I know about the dash strike, maybe is not
devout ether
It really isnt
polar sandal
bow is a really fun weapon with chiron aspect
devout ether
Tbf, all weapons will be very slow if you dont dash attack
deep salmon
i don't dash strike a lot on fist on bosses
but i do on mobbing
especially pepegamesh
opaque hare
I have been ignoring the dash strike boon from artemis. I feel like an idiot
deep salmon
it depends really
exotic robin
So what are beginner friendly weapon+aspects, other than shield, that are good for getting through for the first time?
lime lynx
I had only cleared with almost all weapons in god mode and Arthur sword was the first one I was able to clear normally with. It's basically the same as god mode IMO 😄
Stygian blade - Aspect of Arthur that is.
undone anvil
so, how does turning on Middle Management change the Asterius mini-boss fight?
north comet
aspect of arthur is friendly, zag rail is pretty friendly too from a distancr
undone anvil
I don't think I noticed a difference last time
primal hazel
It doesn't
north comet
i don't think it changes the asterius fight
primal hazel
He's exempt from other mini bosses
undone anvil
guess that makes sense since he's an actual boss
proven osprey
the boss
undone anvil
barge of death is normally the easiest mini-boss imo but with MM turned on it sucks bad
the huge voidstone makes everything painful
primal hazel
It's fine
Use your companion on mini bosses
If ur using batty you can't use her on meg either way and hydra shouldn't be a problem
undone anvil
I use Than's usually
primal hazel
I can recommend batty
Problem with than is by the time he hits most bosses/mini bosses will have already moved out of it's range
proven osprey
Than is about as good in his encounters as his keepsake
proud topaz
Than's keepsake works okay on theseus/asterius if you lead with it
and keep them kited right
primal hazel
Imo batty just gets you safer damage
proud topaz
i think my second preference might be for Antos
primal hazel
Also than 3 something k is usually too much for most invulnerability phases/armor
Antos is fun
It's soooo cool
proven osprey
My most picked with GY
good for sneak, saves time for furies if needed
then I don't use it until styx lol
or Lernie if things going bad
primal hazel
Who need companions for the first two bosses lok
proven osprey
well
primal hazel
If you run TD3 I can understand
proven osprey
for furies it's just time saving on TD3
proud topaz
only end up using companions for theseus/asterius
primal hazel
Companions to speed up mini bosses, champs and hades
proven osprey
and for Lernie, if I'm low vs blue lernie
unborn pebble
It finally happened.
Eris Rail
Rocket Bomb
lvl 4 Epic Aphro Special
Epic Hermes Special speed increase
primal hazel
Only epic if you got cluster with rocket
unborn pebble
And now this: First Cluster Bomb hammer
proven osprey
@primal hazel say fellow stone, you don't go on #h1-high-heat-strategies that much, do you ?
unborn pebble
First ever Cluster Bomb
primal hazel
No I don't
That's cause I feel I don't belong there yet
I'm still grinding out bounties and getting used to FO2 etc
Also I want woodland theme before I do 32+
proven osprey
oh you're not 32 yet, kk
primal hazel
I've lost all respect huh?
proven osprey
not at all
primal hazel
Bold to assume I ever had some ik
proven osprey
I only know one weapon anyway
my game knowledge is non existent
one aspect, even worse
primal hazel
Do it like me
Say stuff with the confidence that people get the feeling you know what ur talking off
XD
proven osprey
undone anvil
I really love massive spin on Hades' spear
in small chambers you just gotta stand in the middle to get everyone marked
primal hazel
Hades spin already is massive
proven osprey
primal hazel
Also spin dash
proven osprey
my top 3 lol
undone anvil
exactly
primal hazel
https://imgur.com/UfeLE2s
I have big respec
undone anvil
the spin is massive already and it just gets absurd with the hammer
primal hazel
I rather focus on either hammering spesh or attack
proven osprey
I have big respec
well thanks
primal hazel
Since spin doesn't need to be improved and buff doesn't apply to itself
proven osprey
what boons are recommended for aspect of arthur
Usually, Aphro/Arte/Athena attack
primal hazel
Either you go crit build or you go big reflect tank
Also you can do dash strike crit with hunter dash and double edge
Or go for big backstab damage with shadow slash
But shadow slash doesn't apply to dash strike
deep salmon
spin hammers on hades are a bait
imo quick spin is still good
the other spin hammers tho, ye
ancient sable
Hey guys! New here looking for some zeus shield builds? Its the only shield ive never used
primal hazel
If you don't get serrated or launcher maybe
proven osprey
yup exactly
primal hazel
But otherwise it's bait imo
proven osprey
you need those
deep salmon
i wanna unlock ||hades's|| keepsake badly but at the moment, my save/game's bugged rn
primal hazel
Hey guys! New here looking for some zeus shield builds? Its the only shield ive ...
Gimme a sec I'll drop u some
deep salmon
primal hazel
@ancient sable Zeus: ME|Zeus on special with double strike and the legendary, poseidon attack and dash, zeus and pos duo (jolted, rupture, poseidon legendary, artemis pressure points+ support fire,dem duo), explosive catch, pulverizing blow
ME means merciful end build
So ares special, athena attack, athena dash, impending doom and the duo
ancient sable
Thanks!! super helpful
proven osprey
(give him nectar)
ancient sable
wish i could i need the boon 
proven osprey
I gave it for you
primal hazel
ancient sable
i figured it out 
proven osprey
Nice
primal hazel
Best of luck for your run
deep salmon
is it just me or is patroclus' keepsake not so used here
dry ember
it can be used in Styx to counter poison
dry ember
though people just roll with Acorn because Hades is rough
deep salmon
makes sense on high heat i guess
proven osprey
Some people like it on Hades high heat
I don't because I get os without acorn
I don't get to benefit from the iframes
ripe glade
I know many think Zeus is the better God... but think Doom is much more powerful... rank up that Doom from the start.. .. it's more Powerful than Zeus for sure..
ripe glade
I find higher heat runs easier with Doom over Lightning
ripe glade
I agree.. depends on the build the game serves up
proven osprey
If you give me Zeus I cry
primal hazel
Well why do you make the argument with doom if you know it's about builds and aspects
deep salmon
i think he wants to argue about boon strengths alone, which doesn't make sense imo
ripe glade
I didn't make an argument.. I more find.. for my personal play style I guess.. I find doom easier to work with.. while doing higher heat levels.. I get the duo's easier.. and find I have more successful runs..
proven osprey
I see.....
ripe glade
I can use it.. on pretty much most aspects..
if the game serves me up Doom builds.. I usually win
ripe glade
You kidding me.. the Rail is the best for Doom..
ripe glade
that's my highest heat and fastest run of 15 mins...
proven osprey
what's your highest heat ?
ripe glade
I'm still a noob.. only got this game on steam release...
ancient sable
yea its hard to argue against seastorm eris though
proven osprey
Same here
ripe glade
19 so far on the rail
ancient sable
unless test patch kills us lol
ripe glade
but I rank them all up at the same time..
so I'm going to get all weapons at the same heat level
ancient sable
i personally love doom gilgamesh just DOT central
ripe glade
the Lucifer aspect.. is amazing with Doom
deep salmon
woah wait what
ripe glade
Rail
deep salmon
i think doom doesn't work like that on DoT's
deep salmon
it's a delay boon
primal hazel
I mean doom gilgamesh is just merciful end
ripe glade
just have fun with it
primal hazel
Chiron is done with dire misfortune but there are also better builds ofc
primal hazel
the Lucifer aspect.. is amazing with Doom
That's a hot take if I've ever seen one
Infinity chamber be bad doe
ancient sable
does that mean there are better builds for gilgamesh that im missing?
does ares not work correctly?
proven osprey
it works really well
primal hazel
It's not about working correctly
It's about effectiveness
Merciful end works really well as I said
And that's by nature a doom build
ancient sable
copy that
deep salmon
i'm still attempting to do ares demeter blade with arctic blasts
proven osprey
Athena is really safe and good tho
deep salmon
how does charm work on bosses really
primal hazel
i'm still attempting to do ares demeter blade with arctic blasts
Try it on talos
You can cast it and then pull enemies in
deep salmon
it doesn't seem to work as nicely as other enemies
proven osprey
no the duration is cut
primal hazel
It's really nice on bosses
It interupts their attack
See it more as a stun then a charm
deep salmon
i see
proven osprey
it's op tho
primal hazel
On fists it's nice because of the fast application rate
deep salmon
i like talos' pull but i hate how the uppercut is forced as followup rather than a 2nd input
devout ether
kinda tricky to alternate between Y and A all the time though
deep salmon
could've been good as well if it stacked with kinetic launcher
hollow schooner
Which boons are good for a varatha build?
deep salmon
which aspect
primal hazel
Don't
deep salmon
oh, any build would do tbh on zag aspect
primal hazel
Glad you were at my ted talk
dry ember
You can try Deadly Flourish + Explosive Launcher tbh
primal hazel
Heart rend also
deep salmon
oh ya
dry ember
It's GY on a budget
primal hazel
Feng Shui
ancient sable
god i wish guan yu was better
deep salmon
i've been struggling with building that spear
dry ember
It is good though
dry ember
Deadly Flourish + Charged Skewer
primal hazel
Or just ME
dry ember
Try it
primal hazel
You can do a spin build
But the others are easier and more effective imo
dry ember
yeah. it's kinda a dead build without Charged Skewer tbh
so you can pivot to dash strike or spin build instead
but with Charged Skewer and some % boon, ideally Deadly Flourish
you are done
dry ember
you can't get it right?
primal hazel
Can you?
ancient sable
special only build is pretty good charged skewer aphro special 2nd hammer is honestly prefernce you can use artemis attack for spins and roll for heart rend
primal hazel
I've never seen it
deep salmon
ye, it's not compatible
ancient sable
can make some shenanigans
primal hazel
special only build is pretty good charged skewer aphro special 2nd hammer is hon...
Artemis special if you're building special
ancient sable
you prolly right
ripe glade
How do I get the kinetic knuckles from the hammer?... been trying for ages.. it never spawns..
ancient sable
i was tryna work on a duo
primal hazel
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
ancient sable
which duo is best?
primal hazel
What you mean
dry ember
idk, it depends?
ancient sable
duo is best for guan y
ancient sable
these vacuums are intense
primal hazel
Also you can take dio call and also work splitting headache in
ancient sable
makes sense
primal hazel
Or smoldering air, zeus aid and billowing strength
That's also a possibility on any aphrodite build
ancient sable
appreciate the feedback
proven osprey
You can't get explosive on GY
Aphro special is also really good and does not require Heart rend
Deadly flourish will need T2 boons and the duo but it hits really hard
Attack builds are made around serrated point
primal hazel
That's the trade off
proven osprey
Dash strike they dead
ancient sable
im on switch been playing for about a month i have close to 60 clears but trying to learn the intricacies of the game is nuts
proven osprey
Optimal dps rotation is special - dash strike - dash strike
primal hazel
I'm 200 hours in and still learn new stuff
Have fun getting stuck here xD
proven osprey
Spin is a deadly trap most of the time
primal hazel
For gy def
proven osprey
Yeah
primal hazel
Problem is most people think you need to full charge
proven osprey
Yeah you don't
And don't forget you can dash out to get the spin going and getting the iframes as well
Wait
opal lodge
your casts gain the ability to backstab
that backstab damage is your mirror backstab +35%
primal hazel
And other backstab boons from chaos afaik
deep salmon
oh, so just bonus backstab
proven osprey
We should pin that
deep salmon
i thought it's a lasting one
opal lodge
yes any backstabs from chaos and from like
deep salmon
like expose
primal hazel
Backstab from casts
They don't do backstab damage before that
Also it's permanent backstab buff(for the run)
deep salmon
oh
opal lodge
yeah to clarify the +35 also only applies to your casts
not to all backstab damage
it applies only to casts only when they backstab
deep salmon
oh
primal hazel
Casts don't backstab unless you have the duo
Trippy will never
opal lodge
^
primal hazel
But it's an aoe so that makes sense ig
polar sandal
so ares cast can backstab?
proven osprey
I don't think Ares has a cast
polar sandal
that sounds amazing
opal lodge
let me check actually
deep salmon
the spinning blade is his cast
primal hazel
He knows
dapper crane
Whats the strategy for rama
deep salmon
oh
dapper crane
Spam special or alternate
primal hazel
Is that the right pronoun @proven osprey ?
primal hazel
Spam special or alternate
You can do either
primal hazel
Although attack is arguably more effective
@dapper crane Rama twin shot!,point blank/perfect shot/explosive shot!, artemis attack, aphro flourish, heart rend|zeus flourish, tidal dash, sea storm, artemis attack, (infernal soul, lightning rod duo)
proven osprey
Well it does not suck but
opal lodge
time to test slicing shot parting shot when i get home
rare kindle
I just got sea storm and second wave while having tidal dash
opal lodge
second wave is awful
primal hazel
That's the point
proven osprey
Welcome to Zag Airlines
primal hazel
Pick a role
proven osprey
I don't wanna
primal hazel
You're actually "recommending tempest strike on GY boyo"
proven osprey
Lmao
primal hazel
Huh why?
Don't need to tell if you don't wanna
rare kindle
ok, I defeated theseus and asterius hilariously fast
proven osprey
I just don't care lol
rare kindle
i'm using eris rail btw, with artemis attack and special
proven osprey
Does not matter to me
primal hazel
Aight good to know
Can't assume that of everyone xD
proven osprey
Ooof
primal hazel
you're talking to a rock
undone anvil
@deep salmon I just watched your Aspect of Arthur clear, can I give you a pointer if you don't mind that?
proven osprey
_you're talking to a rock_
True
undone anvil
this just applies in general, it took me a while to realize I could do it but it's a good tip I think
in his phase 2 while he's shooting beams at you he always only shoots 3 before he gets down to 50% hp
so instead of hiding behind the columns you can dash behind him and get some good damage in with relatively low risk
barren plover
How do i deal with charon
undone anvil
you don't even need to dash exactly because he turns around slowly
deep salmon
oh, that's nice tip indeed
primal hazel
How do i deal with charon
Be behind him
His swipes never hit behind him
barren plover
That may be true, but when he summons waves, its' really annoying to avoid
primal hazel
Also you can stand next to hades during the 360 lasers and not get hirt
Doesn't work in EM4
undone anvil
you can dash through Charon's waves if I'm not mistaken
deep salmon
oh, it doesn't have hitbox right on him lmao
primal hazel
That may be true, but when he summons waves, its' really annoying to avoid
That's just awareness in ur part
gray shore
you can dash through Charon's waves if I'm not mistaken
you can dash through everything pretty much, as long as they're empty dashes
and not dash strikes
primal hazel
oh, it doesn't have hitbox right on him lmao
You can see a circle around him where the lasers eminate
And it eminates a bit apart from him
barren plover
so i can dash through his wave without standing behind a statue, cool
was trying to take everything head on
deep salmon
does it apply also to the one with +100 speed?
barren plover
Now, what weapons are good with whaat builds
primal hazel
Now, what weapons are good with whaat builds
Ask specifics m8
undone anvil
don't rely on the statues because Charon will take down the statues 2 at a time after you get his health down to a certain point
primal hazel
I frames are i frames
As long as ur invincible you won't get hurt
deep salmon
oh alright
barren plover
Has anyone made an excel sheet on weapons and their synergies with boons or upgrades?
proven osprey
I have not fought Charon for ages
deep salmon
no wonder i get better runs when i have that dash and run boon
proven osprey
Mb I should
barren plover
I still just randomly grab whatever I can, and thats not working now
primal hazel
Has anyone made an excel sheet on weapons and their synergies with boons or upgr...
I have a build sheet
undone anvil
I have not fought Charon for ages
same but in my case it's mostly because I haven't seen his purse in a while
primal hazel
They are not organized by effectiveness though
barren plover
Better than nothing
primal hazel
So use at ur own leisure
proven osprey
Nyaanyaa's guide in #h1-for-new-players @barren plover
primal hazel
Whoah there, now I feel insulted
primal hazel
@barren plover I can dm u
proven osprey
But I like the fact that the guide lets you try more things
barren plover
Ye, that works fine
proven osprey
If that makes sense
primal hazel
My build sheet is not supposed to be the be all end all xD
proven osprey
Yy
gray shore
My build sheet is not supposed to be the be all end all xD
I thought Bouldy was the be all end all
gray shore
Personally I enjoyed exploring the game myself and coming to this server for new ideas
but you know, each to their own
ancient sable
zeus build went great btw despite bad rng sub 19 min finish loved that aspect
if youre sharing id love to check out if not i get it
primal hazel
Be aware there are fun and effective builds mixed
ancient sable
yea just until i have a deeper understanding of game mechanics
primal hazel
When I started I wanted builds too
Same
I do my own mostly
Which I then write down and reference xD
ancient sable
also for reference too
primal hazel
I like pre planning
ancient sable
sameeeee
proven osprey
AP 2 no plans all rng
primal hazel
The most important ability is being able to know what works and adapt on the fly
primal hazel
AP 2 no plans all rng
Yeah but ap2 and the mirror heat option are like the last things I'll turn on prolly
ancient sable
thats the truth and i think that just comes with hours played tbh and trying out everything
proven osprey
And ur right
lime lynx
I remember reading here that for the aspect of gilgamesh I should go for a strong cast based build. I've been trying to get Demeter + Poseidon but haven't been able to for the past 3 runs. I have been equipping the poseidon keepsake and rolled until I got flood shot and then Demeter's in Asphodel. But I cannot seem the get the duo even after like 3-4 Demeter boons. How rare are Duos?
lime lynx
Whats 'ME'? 
finite socket
Merciful End
lime lynx
oh ok
finite socket
Athena and Ares' duo boon
lime lynx
yea I did go that for Talos etc but I just remembered seeing this was cast based, I probably misread.
So just attack focused?
finite socket
Well yeah, but don't forget to also throw in some specials
lime lynx
Also is maim even a good thing? Does it apply on bosses? I feel like it would be a bad idea to rend bosses.
finite socket
To abuse Maim
opal lodge
gilgamesh is not cast focused
lime lynx
So try merciful end and maybe get divine dash?
finite socket
Oh, and Athena special since it's a prerequisite
lime lynx
Yea every build I see here seems to be suggesting divine dash, is it really overpowered?
opal lodge
divine dash is a good crutch to have
also it reliably and quickly activates doom with ME
there are better dashes once you get better at avoiding damage
just so happens that it helps with damage mitigation and also is part of the build for ME fists
lime lynx
And also choose Chaos boons that amplify attack btw?
devout ether
Doom and the duo combo damage arent affected by attack
rare kindle
approval process is such a painful pact of punishment
It xed out divine dash
but it still let me get heart rend and parting shot on a cast build
i'm running it for the prophecy, mainly
proven osprey
Yeah it is
opal lodge
second wind > quick favor
dodge is really good
if its first hermes hyper sprint is always the choice so you can go for rush delivery
polar sandal
all i know is quick favor + athena call won me my first run
opal lodge
if it works for you then take it
early runs are usually pretty scuffed anyway
less about the build
polar sandal
nah my first build was legendary cheese
cursed slash and whenever something manages to hit me abuse athena call and get all the health back
proven osprey
Lmao
I did that too
Fun memories
I also won with shield + stubborn roots
Ultimate turtle
dry ember
but then were you really playing the bow?
primal hazel
Late for you?
Idk if something being good against lernie speaks for It's power lol
primal hazel
But is it good against meg?
opal lodge
meme beam is like slicing shot
bad until you get like 1-2 boons
then it's suddenly good
primal hazel
"good"
opal lodge
crystal clarity is no joke
primal hazel
At FO2 it is
proven osprey
Oof
opal lodge
i dont think its that bad tbh but thats the beauty of opinions
the main takeaway is as always that artemis makes bad things good
unkempt pagoda
the main takeaway is as always that artemis makes bad things good
lightning rod
ok
primal hazel
Yes she does
primal hazel
"I'm doing a cast build"
"Eh I'll just let em sit"
opal lodge
its respectable supplemental dmg
primal hazel
Yep
frail schooner
i do stygian on achilles sometimes
opal lodge
yeah i do stygian for the meme self cast build
primal hazel
Nothing more comfy than a tall glass of ice wine
woven delta
So what weapon aspect would you guys say works best with Shattered Shackle?
I've been thinking maybe Arthur sword so but I want some second opinions on that front
royal helm
Shattered Shackle is just good... period
But if you want optimal? I think Rama bow has the highest base damage in the game
Due to shared suffering
rare kindle
Shattered shackle can be good early on when you’re still working on a build
If you’re planning a boonless run idk
dry ember
and it's +100% on test branch
rare kindle
I think people have done it with Hestia rail?
prime plover
how have I been so blind to the glory that is Hera
hera + crush shot + ONE GOOD HAMMER = free run
it's not overpowered but god it is way better than it sounds
turbid needle
and it looks cool
prime plover
yeah
i'm sure you could build hera for a bunch of different things but damn it's really fun
plus i got the hammer that turns it into a slow gun
warm snow
I got Flurry Jab with Drunken Strike lv. 2
I fought Charon in Tartarus
I almost beat him. The game was so easy that I was distracted.
I lost all 3 Death Defiances
turbid needle
bruh moment