Let's say you have Dionysus on your attack. Cyclops Jerky increases the damage by a percentage.
#h1-builds-and-combat
full flax
primal hazel
It doesn't
full flax
ohh
primal hazel
It increases attack damage
Not hangover damage
That gets increased by global damage buffs or stuff that specifically mentions hangover
full flax
I'll have to double-check the fine print more often, then
primal hazel
No worries m8
full flax
Thanks for the answer
primal hazel
Hades is somewhat inconsistent regarding to that
full flax
Now I can see why the Eris aspect is being held up with so much regard
pseudo stream
Is Eris fun? It’s the only rail aspect I haven’t tried
It buffs casts too eh? Seems maybe insane haha
river wing
the insane thing is that it buffs everything
zues lightning strike/jolted/splash dash/support fire
pseudo stream
Man some of those sound fun
Yeah I’m gonna try it. That and Chiron may be the next things I upgrade
Though I loooove Rama
river wing
i can see that. i know someone who had like one clear per weapon
and the next 7-9 clears were all rama
pseudo stream
... omg thank you for selling me on Eris
Hunting Blades, chain lightning attack, cluster bomb, mirage shot... that went well! only run against EM4 that I didn't lose more than 1 dd haha
proud topaz
Eris is also good since you can really work dash strikes to their advantage imo
well, default rail does that, but still,, dash strike all the things
pseudo stream
What do you mean by dash strikes?
proud topaz
the hidden aspect of the rail requires you to stand still more while the attack ramps
whereas you can be more mobile with the rail in its other aspects, if you keep dash striking you can do things like circlestrafing
dash+attack
pseudo stream
Oh yeah that’s fair, I’ve been using mostly hidden but I tend to still dash around a lot
The bombs exploding can do a lot and stillness is death
proud topaz
i'm sure it's percfectly Valid but my fingers don't really have the moveset learned yet 😄
rare kindle
when do you guys just decide to go for a cast build?
I ignore the cast button way too often, but I got demeter really early on chaos shield and she offered me her cast
pliant anvil
usually before I start a run. I either pick a weapon that does a cast build well, or I pretty much ignore my cast
proud topaz
because i suck at bow i've been thinking about cast builds with Ares and Hera
i had some mild luck with that but no results
opal lodge
yeah what quothe said
you aim for a cast build from the beginning
otherwise only use your cast on beefier enemies for boiling blood
and bosses
pliant anvil
@proud topaz try phalanx shot and aim for parting shot duo with hera
though, dio cast is pretty good with stygian soul iirc
proud topaz
oh, that sounds interesting
pliant anvil
basically, hera and phalanx shot can backstab from the front, which is amazing.
proud topaz
that's pretty nice
pliant anvil
especially since hera doesn't get any innate cast damage bonus, so it works out really well.
proud topaz
i tried Chiron and Rama and it seems like Hera seems to have the speediest attack of them all, but i could be imagining things
pliant anvil
try dash attacking, it charges faster than normal shots
and I think all bows charge the same, but I'm not 100% sure
proud topaz
i'm too used to how the rail works with dash-attack, that's partly my problem
the rhythm is all different
glossy fossil
what are some of the better builds for the gun?
proud topaz
most of them work pretty well, Ares or Zeus are fun
i find the hammers are really what make the gun more fun, triple bomb, seeking fire, delta chamber
pliant anvil
@glossy fossil zeus on attack
the only exception is hestia, which wants like, aphrodite or artemis
but eris aspect is hands down the strongest aspect in the game, bar none.
glossy fossil
which aspect is eris?
proud topaz
it's on the rail
pliant anvil
the one that increases your damage if you stand in your special's explosion
it's one of the few global damage increases
which means it buffs stuff like zeus lightning, calls, status curse damages (i.e. doom, hangover) along side everything else.
glossy fossil
so its worth maxing out?
pliant anvil
absolutely
pliant anvil
you'll probably have your easiest runs ever with eris tbh
pliant anvil
yeah
glossy fossil
do i go for?
pliant anvil
sea storm, so you can dash and shoot
and you want poseidon on dash
however, you could also go for aphrodite and look for smoldering air and grab zeus call
(or both I guess)
proud topaz
a lot works with eris i find
pliant anvil
almost anything works with eris tbh
opal lodge
all bows have the same charge time except for rama
glossy fossil
what would u want on cast?
proud topaz
last i tried was a hunting blades build which was pretty fun, but i haven't gotten a clear on bow yet 😠
proud topaz
crystal's good for unattended dmg fun
turbid needle
artemis crystal carried me to my first win
proud topaz
no
but
you can do your first special, get the buff, then do another triple bomb and have that empowered
solid igloo
Am I the only one who isn't having luck with the Rail? Maybe I need to just, as the adage goes, "git gud."
It feels clunkier than the other options. I know I felt the same about all the other weapons besides the sword until I tried them. It just feels strange, ya know?
proud topaz
a always b be c dash striking imo with most rail aspects
proud topaz
delta
hearty wasp
if you already have 3 defiances, does Slothful Defiance (legendary chaos boon) increase your total to 4?
or is it wasted?
proud topaz
IIRC reading that you get to 4
hearty wasp
ok thx
pliant anvil
between explosive delta and rocket bomb
with eris? rocket. Delta is good, but rocket is nuts
the ultimate dream combo is cluster bombs + rocket
proud topaz
if you're starting out with Eris, it's fiddly to get in the blast radius
with rocket
pliant anvil
it can be yeah, but it's better to get used to rocket sooner rather than later
opal lodge
theres some debate but usually poseidon/nem, achilles/hades, shield is ???? but my biased opinion is beo
bow very playstyle/goal dependent
usually dem fists is considered best fists
unless youre going for dodge builds
at the end of the day it all depends on what you want to get out of the game though
best weapon varies widely for survivability/speed/heat
trim harbor
Say, I have a question
now that I've finally unlocked it
Fated Authority, or Persuasion?
proud topaz
i generally take the one that lets you reroll the 3 options, whichever one that is, fwiw
opal lodge
persuasion
rare kindle
I prefer persuasion
turbid needle
I preferred Authority all the way up until 1.0 when Dark Foresight was buffed.
rare kindle
You can only ever roll doors into the same type (blue laurel can only reroll into blue), while persuasion lets you fish for legendary and duo boons
turbid needle
I could never get enough of the boons I wanted (Trying for Achilles Hunting Blades? Hope you enjoy a bunch of Aphrodite and Poseidon) to actually get the Legendaries or Duos, so using Authority to simply drown myself in the Olympian I was looking for was more reliable.
Now Dark Foresight blows you up with boons left right and center so you can actually get chances to fish with Persuasion.
proud topaz
you can use the keepsake to help that
turbid needle
Thanks, I always got the one and then wouldn't see them again.
Burn 3 of 4 rerolls getting Slicing Shot out the gate and then Zeus and Athena as far as the eye could see. Pick up Keepsake'd Deadly Flourish first boon in Asphodel (usually around chamber 20), don't see another Ares or Artemis until a Duo late in Elysium.
obsidian ermine
Whoever designed the Demeter execution effect on bosses (via her legendary) is a genius. It felt so good. Love you SGG.
delicate tusk
Fun fact: you can load a maximum of 100 casts into Hera bow
Also support fire still activates even if you keep hitting the cast button and you've stuffed your bow full of bloodstones
Thinking about having hunting blades on this thing
Or lightning rod
or both
woven delta
I don't think they're compatible with one another
Mostly because blade rifts are one of those casts that doesn't put bloodstones in enemies
Which you kind of need in order to get Exit Wounds/Lightning Rod
turbid needle
Exit Wounds doesn't jive with Blade Rifts, but Lightning Rod doesn't require lodging.
It drops lightning around Bloodstones that sit on the ground.
unkempt pagoda
lightning rod is only dependent on the bloodstones that sit on the floor
turbid needle
It's incompatible with Stygian Soul.
woven delta
Blade Rifts don't leave bloodstones behind when they drop, right?
turbid needle
Yes they do.
woven delta
Maybe I've just forgotten from only ever really using Stygian Soul
unkempt pagoda
all casts with infernal soul leave bloodstones on the floor
woven delta
Ah
delicate tusk
And I use Stygian soul!
spark meteor
wanna try boonless run anyone try one and like which weapon/aspect did u try with?
cunning urchin
@spark meteor Hestia is really good for that.
I got to Hades phase 2 part 2 just now with no mirror and no boons at 32 using Hestia. Died to TD3, though. 
calm bluff
What duo is good on lucifer?
barren otter
try Sea Storm with Poseidon on attack
river wing
calm bluff
Well seems fun at the least :p
turbid needle
I love gambling on Rare Crop and winning (Lightning Strike on Eris).
haughty robin
Surprised to see the achilles buff
Never talked to anyone who thought achilles was weak
turbid needle
That's still just in the test branch and should be discussed in that channel.
But I totally agree.
haughty robin
Will do
plucky harbor
does curse of drowning knock away enemies?
hollow helm
just a curiosity, how was Chaos Shield before the nerf and how significant was it?
delicate tusk
I think, based on one (1) speedrun I saw, the 5 shields were spread out around Zag instead of just in front
cunning urchin
They were spread in a star pattern, yeah.
So you'd just hit the whole room without aiming.
delicate tusk
@haughty robin Achilles is the one that rushes towards the spear after special right?
cunning urchin
Yes.
delicate tusk
Gotcha
cunning urchin
It's buffed in the test branch. Doesn't mean it's final.
delicate tusk
Mmh yeah
turbid needle
Have been playing Chiron aspect for the few days and wanna try Hera. What's your favorite cast and which hammers do you see as the most advantageous?
teal juniper
pretty sure sniper shot adds range, which is v useful, phalanx and flood shot are nice
gray shore
Have been playing Chiron aspect for the few days and wanna try Hera. What's your...
I've heard Aphro and Dio casts are good
cunning urchin
Crush Shot is great.
gray shore
I know Dio is definitely a combo because it eliminates the very annoying lob time
teal juniper
Aphro's biggest downside is negated by Hera as well
Poseidon cast is just a grenade more or less so it's pretty fun
Poseidon sword with Poseidon cast is hilariously fun
turbid needle
I know Dio is definitely a combo because it eliminates the very annoying lob tim...
Yes and the "aiming" mechanic
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite has no downsides, infidel. 🔫 
static karma
The rail secret aspect is cool but not sure how to use the special well
teal juniper
dropping a three stack of blade rifts right in someone's face is also good
turbid needle
Just asking abotu Hera Aspect on Bow
static karma
Secret shield is my favorite for casts, I usually do Aphrodite’s cast on it
Dionysus isn’t bad either
teal juniper
do I say it? the vile word that starts with an 'S'? that I may condemn a fellow human being to such subhuman standard? nah
for hera aspect, all of the casts are decent on it, but crush shot and blade rifts probably benefit more than others
oh, and Dio's
turbid needle
I saw some suggestions elsewhere for artemis to force exits wounds and fully loaded
solid cairn
may have asked this before, but is low tolerance or curse of nausea more dps with max stacks
turbid needle
what would be the sequence of boons for dio?
teal juniper
well I suppose you could go for Scintillating fog or ice wine duo boons, get a hangover attack/special/call and fish for his legendary as well
cunning urchin
Fish Legendary is Poseidon.
teal juniper
why do you do this
languid dagger
guys, already asked it, but what would be the best build for Talos?
turbid needle
how does demeter's cast work with hera?
cunning urchin
Obviously, Merciful End would also just work.
Just as you'd expect: badly. It drops the crystal, and the crystal shoots beams.
turbid needle
lmao
teal juniper
it's not really an improvement
cunning urchin
I think they also have a tendency to drop behind the enemy and beam away from it?
I don't think I've picked Crystal Beam more than once on Hera lol.
turbid needle
maybe greater recall from hermes might actually not do much
since you're running around trying to grab them immediately anyway
teal juniper
well it means you don't need to run around and grab them, you can just keep shooting
doesn't do much on Poseidon sword tho because to knock em out you're already right next to them
languid dagger
@cunning urchin isn't heavy knuckle bad tho? Like that three punch sequence never really worked for me, felt like it was doing attack better
I mean worse*
also, why blizzard shot and mirage shot for Talos?
cunning urchin
It's pretty nice, actually. Especially with the damage buff from Talos and crits from Deadly Strike.
Talos lets you pull enemies back into your Blizzard Shots over and over again.
Blizzard Shot's one downside is that it knocks enemies out of its AOE all the time. But the damage itself is huge. That's why it's great on bosses who don't get knocked back (much) but isn't as great vs regular enemies.
But with Talos, that's not a problem.
spark meteor
yeah recently fell in love w blizzard shot
cunning urchin
Blizzard Shot also acts like a protective zone in front of you lol. So you pull enemies in, but they never actually reach you. They just take damage from your Cutter and your cast.
turbid needle
Blizzard Shot is also somewhat slow, compared to Flood Shot. The pull from Talos somewhat mitigates that, tho
cunning urchin
Yeah.
languid dagger
so it's a caster build
right
I thought something like Athena on AA and Ares on Uppercut would be strong with their duo
cunning urchin
Well, it's cast + attack to make the most of it.
And just whatever on your Special.
cosmic hornet
the pull part of talos doesnt apply curses, sadly
and the pull animation makes the special longer i feel
if you’re going for AA i think artemis is the way to go so the +50% can take advantage of crits
...or zeus because zeus
cunning urchin
I have no idea what AA is.
cosmic hornet
autoattack i guess
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike is a quick route to damage on Attack, Support Fire, Mirage Shot, and potentially Fully Loaded.
Out of that, Frost Strike, and Tempest Strike (lol), it's the best option for Attack.
cosmic hornet
i really wish the pull on talos can apply curses
it would be amazing for ME
analog nymph
Me?
gray shore
Merciful End
static karma
Is the secret spear aspect viable if I haven’t maxed it? I never tried it because seeing my max HP when I equip it is too scary
I have it on level 2
cunning urchin
Yeah, but it's not gonna be easy.
fiery ginkgo
oof hard chaos choice. 78% damage on special or 77 hp? i'm about to fight theseus, so this is probably my last chance for a big boost in either.
Rockin' chiron bow with epic poseidon at like +182% already, and 255 hp, so i don't have an obvious weakness on either side.
cunning urchin
What are the curses?
static karma
I may just put more blood into secret bow for now since I like it more
What are good builds for secret boss?
I need to do the prophecy about beating him twice in a row
I need the 10 titan’s blood
fiery ginkgo
+249% to traps and can't pick up bloodstones for 11 seconds, but i don't relaly use my cast on this build
so neither are significant
cunning urchin
I guess Hestia, Chiron, or Rama at high level will deal with Charon easily. You can just skip the fight when you don't have a good build.
fiery ginkgo
chiron deals with everything easily
cunning urchin
Do you have Heightened Security turned on?
fiery ginkgo
no i don't
cunning urchin
Special damage, I guess.
Might as well clear faster since HP shouldn't be an issue.
fiery ginkgo
it's fairly low heat, honestly it's not likely i'll lose this one at this point
yeah that makes sense
let's just murder things faster so they can't murder me
languid dagger
so apparently Zeus on Aspect of Demeter's special attack is wonky or smth. Was expecting 5 bolts with fully charged cutter, but it does not look like it's doing so
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish can only proc once every 200 ms on each enemy.
So it will only proc once on Gigacutter.
languid dagger
learned it the hard way, lol
analog nymph
Ah
cunning urchin
I think somebody asks about Thunder Flourish every other day at least lol.
languid dagger
yeah, was going for last thing in Divine Pairing prophecy - Demeter/Zeus duo - and wanted to do it with Demeter fists in Heat 13. Got the duo but damn that was one unpleasant run
lime lynx
If I cleanse a boon, can the same boon be offered later? I think I was offered it but it was the next level.
proven osprey
y
drifting vale
Im like 80% sure you can be offered a boon youve cleansed before
Im pretty sure it's happened to me before but my memory is a little foggy
limpid haven
how does the dash strike work with the bow?
static karma
It’s a faster charge up and it’s a tighter timing than other dash strikes, I think you have to press attack right after the dash finishes
I dont dash strike with bow that often
frail schooner
FYI you can dash strike by pressing both at the same time
i have dash on middle mouse because i’m like a heretic or something
and cast on space bar lol
limpid haven
ty for the tips 🙂
primal hazel
It doesnt have to be at the same time
You just have to attack as long as you're in the dash animation
static karma
Is Rama worth investing into? Rama feels fun
cunning urchin
Yes, it's probably the strongest bow.
Chiron is easier to play though, I would say.
primal hazel
200% agreed
static karma
I have level 4 chiron right now I think
Chiron has great single target damage especially with Zeus special
My fastest time was with Demeter fists for some reason tho
primal hazel
Zeus special is the worst for chirom
static karma
I don’t go for time and it’s not super impressive
Oh? Why so?
And what is the best one?
primal hazel
It has an internal 0.2 sec cooldown
static karma
Ooooh
primal hazel
Chiron hits too fast
teal quest
Chiron + artemis
primal hazel
Either go for artemis flourish with aphrodite attack and dio call
primal hazel
Or dio flourish with aphro attack and ares
frail schooner
artemis does more dmg to bosses and dio can do more to rooms
primal hazel
Dio with ps rips bosses a new one
static karma
For some reason I thought Zeus would work like it did with lucifer
Or rail in general
primal hazel
Attack and flourish are entirely different
Attack has lightning orbs and flourish has lightning bolts
The bolts have a trigger cooldown
static karma
Ah ok. I wish the game made it more clear but thanks for clearing it up 🙂
The game description makes them sound the same I think
teal juniper
When using max level Chiron, how many bolts do you tend to get on the special if using Zeus?
marsh cedar
you guys got any tips for playing the varatha aspect? I've lost 2 runs in a row in elysium with it now 😦
silent shuttle
Which one?
marsh cedar
sorry i got mixed up with all the names, its guan yu
silent shuttle
I find using Aphrodite boons the best way to make up for it
marsh cedar
yea... its just that idk when to use the spin attack and when to not
silent shuttle
Since you can get more life and weak
clever igloo
I definitely had the fast spin attack hammer
marsh cedar
oh yea fast spin helped a lot
primal hazel
Go for special build with charging skewer
silent shuttle
There was one run I just used the special with poseidon and charge
primal hazel
Artemis Flourish, aphrodite attack
silent shuttle
Yeah
cunning urchin
When using max level Chiron, how many bolts do you tend to get on the special if...
1
marsh cedar
it slows enemies down, giving u the chance to do spin attack
clever igloo
Imo, not super helpful on guan yu
silent shuttle
If you don't have the blast at 10, and just keep it at 10 I guess that could work.
clever igloo
The spin hammer alone was enough to get me a clear
cunning urchin
It's either Heart Rend or Merciful End on Guan Yu.
clever igloo
I had something really jank like Dionysus attack
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish with Deadly Strike is also nice.
And probably Hunter Dash for more damage, but Divine Dash is always a good pick.
marsh cedar
gotcha
cunning urchin
I did Thunder Flourish on Guan Yu last week at 32, though, just to prove a point. So it's not like non-meta builds aren't viable.
gleaming bramble
hey everyone. What's a good build on chiron bow ? i took artemis as special and don't know what to take as attack
silent shuttle
Aphrodite or Dionysus would be nice for the duo effects with Artemis.
I'm inclined to say Dionysus more though since you can stack the poison damage as well, but weak is also good too.
gleaming bramble
alright, i'll see what pops up, thanks !
silent shuttle
No problemo
primal hazel
Chiron artemis special, aphro attack, heart rend, dio call, splitting headache|demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares and Aphro duo, Privileged Status|doom attack with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points
The best are either dio or artemis build imo
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike is waaay better than Drunken Strike on Chiron.
Hangover on Chiron is only really good on Special.
primal hazel
I never said anything else?
prime plover
Can someone tell me what Aspect of Arthur's holy aura thing actually does? It seems to have multiple effects but it's only listed as "defensive" and that it reduces enemy move and projectile speed
silent shuttle
I tend to reapply the attack still with Chiron because I get antsy with the time before the special stops tracking. :<
spark meteor
holy aura reduces damage, slows enemies/projectiles and disables traps/lava in it
silent shuttle
Does Athena and Dionysus' duo stack with the slowed time for projectiles?
spark meteor
i think so(?) havent tried it myself but knowing with how the rest of the game works
i think it would
silent shuttle
Yeah okay
I've been trying to get that to work but I never get the duo with Arthur, I really wanna see it in action.
spark meteor
maybe go for the cast and get high tolerance just to stack the dmg res
not the best idea but could be fun
static karma
Still trying to figure out how to use secret bow. I see its potential but I seem to get more mileage spamming special because attack leaves me so open
spark meteor
when i play secret bow i tend to just shotgun with the special
love using it with demeter flourish + legendary
but the timing/charge for the attack can take some time getting used to but with aphro/arty boons it puts out pretty heavy damage
prime plover
I played with the sword and really I’ve just been building it like a faster, closer bow
just a damage monster
Then putting support stuff on special
Is the general consensus on the Daedalus money to damage buff for sword that it’s kind of a dead upgrade most of the time? That’s the impression I get
teal juniper
if you do a run with it, preferably on zag sword, take artemis as well, it can be pretty good
but generally it's underwhelming
prime plover
I imagine it might be effective on that specific run if you also have the price increase heat
opal lodge
its not great
its an additive bonus
but it also doesnt actively hurt like some other hammers
prime plover
Hhh yeah, I wish certain hammers were better integrated with secret aspects
Guan Yu in particular, I kinda wish the pulse-damage while charging hammer healed you on top of the throw
languid dagger
what are even good hammers for Spear
prime plover
I get that maybe it comes down to how Guan Yu is designed to benefit positioning it makes sense that it don’t work
languid dagger
feels like all of them are crappy. Maybe spin hammers for Guan Yu spin
opal lodge
flurry jab
languid dagger
yeah, that one is ok
opal lodge
flurry jab might be the best hammer in the game tbh
clever igloo
I like the spin hammer on guan yu
prime plover
Yeah for GY any of the spin hammers, but also dash-strike and special ones are somewhat helpful
opal lodge
takes a spear from okish to insanely good aspect
spark meteor
GY: take charged skewer and profit
languid dagger
@opal lodge cassete bomb wants to talk to you
opal lodge
cluster rockets is good, but eris is already the best weapon in the game without it
languid dagger
cluster make it insane
opal lodge
the difference between zag/achilles spear with/without flurry jab is night and day
languid dagger
eris + cluster = run won
no matter the boons imo
dunno how aiming on consoles go but on PC you can launch all 5 bombs in the place where Zagreus stands
extremely powerful imo
prime plover
Am I overvaluing Eris + chain lightning or am I right
spark meteor
eris + zeus attack is the meta brr brr build
languid dagger
Zeus on attack helps to clear trash enemies faster for sure
prime plover
Ah, I see, I am normie
spark meteor
slap on double strike and the zeus leg
opal lodge
chain lightning is very good
languid dagger
but once you you have cluster bomb or 3 bombs
opal lodge
just wouldnt take it over something like epic jolted
languid dagger
@spark meteor double strike does not work with zeus attack boons iirc
opal lodge
@spark meteor how do you plan to get double strike? only zeus special, dash or aid unlock
spark meteor
oh oops i meant the
prime plover
Yeah it only counts for lightning strike effects, not chain effects
spark meteor
boon that bounces more
opal lodge
but storm lightning is def very solid
spark meteor
uh i tried it with secret bow and it's okay(?)
prime plover
Oh welp
opal lodge
absolute god awful trash on chiron
prime plover
There my mistake
static karma
I just got Thanatos's companion
so far I have Meg's, Skelly's, and Than's
how good is it?
opal lodge
its good on rama there are just better hammers
opal lodge
you dont need chain when you can just pierce with your positioning 
cunning urchin
Charged Skewer > Serrated Point > Breaching Skewer > Massive Spin for Guan Yu. In that order.
Serrated Point, Flurry Jab, and Exploding Launcher are all great on the other aspects.
languid dagger
I hate the fact that when you take guan yu you have to play with your special
and not spin attack
in order to be efficient
maiden wraith
is it just me or is excalibur just way stronger than guan yi?
i wonder if even the normal spear is better than guan yi
prime plover
Meh, I think normal spear spin attack is pretty bad, in comparison anyway lol
GY does mad damage
maiden wraith
but so does excalibur
maiden wraith
the health debuffs on gy are insane
spark meteor
but generally gy can be safer cuz u can just kill things of screen
prime plover
That’s the point
primal hazel
Or rather hades spin is better
opal lodge
just stop getting hit lol
spark meteor
if ure getting hit while using gy, ure playing it wrong
primal hazel
Gy dash attack and special are just better than spin
cunning urchin
Spin builds on Guan Yu are very effective.
They're just not as fast as focusing on Special and Dash-Strikes.
languid dagger
personally I feel like Spear is the weakest weapon
maiden wraith
i guess i should utilize the range better
languid dagger
clunkiest too
primal hazel
No
cunning urchin
I use the spin supplementary for healing when I need it. Needing to heal all the time isn't what you'd want, anyway.
maiden wraith
i only escaped with the spear until i got excalibur (except for once when i got a really nice build with stygius)
languid dagger
@primal hazel which one is it?
cunning urchin
Achilles, Hades, and Guan Yu are all very strong. 
maiden wraith
the heal is nice but you can usually deal with mobs anyway
the main difficulty is hades, and against him the health debuff basically means you have half the hp
primal hazel
<@!525308941203144724> which one is it?
I don't want to pin down a weakest weapon since it's more about the aspects than the weapons itself
languid dagger
I don't want to pin down a weakest weapon since it's more about the aspects than...
maybe it boils down to me being a very average pilot who plays pc version but after trying out all aspects and completing the game and all prophecies spear runs were always the clunkiest for me
maiden wraith
for me at first, the spear covered up a lot of weaknesses
the range and speed meant that on unarmored enemies you can just stand back and spam attack
without worrying about getting hit
i feel like i need to get better at dodging and backing off at the right time to use knuckles well
or shield
languid dagger
stuff like Rama or Eris destroys stuff so fast there is noone left to hit you )
and shield is just shield
especially when you get charged shot
on any aspect
maiden wraith
i only got excalibur and guan yi so far
primal hazel
especially when you get charged shot
Only on beo imo
languid dagger
Only on beo imo
I have made few v strong builds on chaos and zeus but I have no idea what to do with beo, feels underwhelming to me
cunning urchin
Spear took quite a while for me to learn and be comfortable with.
dusty ridge
charged shot on chaos is trong too
primal hazel
Yes I just like normal chaos better
languid dagger
zeus is a bit clunky but once enemies step into your special
damage is pretty insane
primal hazel
I was referring to your charged shot comment
cunning urchin
Beowulf is the #1 shield for speedruns. The DPS is definitely there.
primal hazel
Shield is prolly my fav weapon with bow
cunning urchin
Passion Flare with Infernal Soul or Trippy Flare with Stygian Soul.
languid dagger
I was referring to your charged shot comment
I haven't tried it with beo, but it makes sense, ye
it's just it's very strong on Zeus and Chaos as well
makes you into a ranged char that blocks stuff and doesn't care about positioning as much as bow or rail
primal hazel
Kite the shield
Good positioning etc
I hate standing around with shield and just block
turbid needle
i would like someone to build "good builds for dummies"
languid dagger
I did few things: one of them was charge shotting mobs out of hades realm and the other one was sliding and dash striking with dash strike hammer
both worked
(on zeus shield)
primal hazel
i would like someone to build "good builds for dummies"
There are a few general build that re good
Crit with artemis, aphro, dio and their duos for crits
Artemis on the attack you wanna mainly use
cunning urchin
My build guide is pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
Very simple but effective builds for all the base weapons.
turbid needle
why are dash strikes recommended for the bow? @cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Because they charge faster.
languid dagger
you can also boost them with Artemis dash
turbid needle
it seems like the same as a normal attack
cunning urchin
Nope, they charge faster for less base damage.
But your DPS ends up being higher.
turbid needle
is chiron lvl 4 better than base bow lvl 1?
static karma
I'm having trouble with Erebus gates
cunning urchin
Probably.
static karma
I haven't successfully done one yet
I last a decent while without getting hit but not long enough
primal hazel
is chiron lvl 4 better than base bow lvl 1?
Ofc
turbid needle
I'm only up to 5 arrows
cunning urchin
I've only played with maxed aspects in forever.
primal hazel
Same xD
turbid needle
i'm a newb still
static karma
It's been 100+ hours and only zag sword is maxed (for the quest)
turbid needle
is flurry bad with chiron or am i the bad one
proud topaz
(i did it with hera)
rare kindle
If you just want a successful Erebus gate it helps to not take any of the heat that buffs enemies
Like extreme measures
I’m not entirely sure but I think middle management also doesn’t buff them
turbid needle
what is a erebus gate?
rare kindle
You unlock them by buying alternate exits at the contractor
You need a certain amount of heat to enter one, and you get better rewards but only if you don’t take damage
static karma
I seem to be having more difficulty in runs lately, heat 4 and 5 feel hard for me right now
although I have won heat 5 once with secret sword
turbid needle
oh, that sounds not worth it for my station.. what are the best diamond contractor jobs? @rare kindle
i haven't bought any of the two diamond or higher ones yet
gray shore
kinda depends on what mirror upgrades you've taken actually
and how deep you are into the darkness
languid dagger
@static karma what aspects with what level are you trying?
what is going wrong for you exactly?
static karma
FINALLY did an Erebus gate successfully! Yay for shield!
I get hit a lot, rama aspect I'm having trouble with mainly
languid dagger
@static karma I am far from "pro" in this game, my highest heat is like 15 but from what I've gathered game is not that hard. And main key to success is how you utilize your dash and your dash strike and positioning in general
now always trying to do backstabs and perfectly framed dashes and attacks is hard. But what I do is I attack and dash often if the weapon doesn't require combo attacks
lean kite
if i get doom special on aspect of gilgamesh, will the doom trigger before maim wears off
languid dagger
even if I am not good at doing precise dashes it still saves me a lot
hoary slate
if i get doom special on aspect of gilgamesh, will the doom trigger before maim ...
Normal Doom triggers after 1.1 seconds
lean kite
thx
static karma
I see, I'll practice those
I'm trying demeter's cast because it's a prereq for a lot of duo boons I need
and I'm not sure how to use Demeter's cast well
languid dagger
@static karma some caster's weapon + duo with artemis
pretty dps-y
can be insanely dps-y if you get those extra casts from Hermes or Artemis or Chaos
languid dagger
chaos is amazing for everyone I felt like
especially when I learned that hammers can appear later if you don't take them and take chaos 🤣
clever igloo
Yeah, but chaos is especially ridiculous for cast builds
And especially especially ridiculous for Stygian soul builds
languid dagger
I have recently assembled my last duo for the prophecy - ice wine, on a Achilleus Spear and measly 6th heat
just managed one extra cast on stygian soul
but damn, those casts were like one shotting everything
static karma
I think I know now why I'm off my game: I'm not collecting enough boons
clever igloo
Boons >>> everything else most of the time
Yeah achilles spear is ridic
Try it with hunting blades lol
dry ember
Electric Shot also works if you want to clear Tartarus in lightning fast fashion.
Pun absolutely intended.
static karma
About to face EM3 Asterius and Theseus with no death defies. Let's see how this goes
clever igloo
It’s good, but for achilles I prefer casts that don’t get lodged in enemies
rare kindle
Sadly chaos never offers me extra bloodstone when I’m doing a cast build
clever igloo
About to face EM3 Asterius and Theseus with no death defies. Let's see how this ...
Shoulda hung out with Patroclus
static karma
Theseus killed me by ramming into me lmao
I did
Asterius solo took away 2 DDs
I've been off my game, I'll try with collecting more boons
proud topaz
tfw
rare kindle
It definitely becomes more difficult when asterius becomes a beyblade
clever igloo
The third DD helps a lot
static karma
Does Maim trigger Draining Cutter?
spark meteor
@static karma yep the october patch made it so maim gives u the heal
primal hazel
There are way better hammers for gilga then draining cutter
static karma
Ah ok. What are some better hammers for gilgamesh?
Got my revenge on Extreme Measures 3 Theseus and Asterius. Took all 3 death defies but I did it. Take that Thesesus!
opal lodge
what armor
queen patrol
ok athena cast with zesus duo with pos sword is just crazy\
calm bluff
Had a pretty good rail run. Got zeus attack, legendary zeus boon and etc.
queen patrol
holy just melts
static karma
Is it just me or is hangover better on bow special than Zeus
I’m still getting the hang of Rama
I’m doing worse today than normal I wonder if it’s because I’m getting burned out or what
unkempt pagoda
hangover is great on rama special
turbid needle
How does heat rewards work?
1 heat seemed to reset boss rewards
Does it reset again at 2 heat?
proud topaz
reset happens on clear if i understand you correctly
languid dagger
what would be the second best hammer for Artur?
and first best
cunning urchin
Shadow Slash, Greater Consecration, and Double Edge are all great.
Piercing Wave is very nice.
opal lodge
double nova isnt bad tbh
unkempt pagoda
How does heat rewards work?
for every level of heat, you can get a set of bounties. these bounties are only ever earned one successful heat level at a time. you're allowed to freely change whatever heat level you wish to play at, but you can only ever earn bounties in this way
let's say your bounties are at heat 1 but you feel like playing heat 5. you'd need to successfully clear heat 5 five times in order to get all possible bounties
this is per weapon as well, so for all 6 weapons, that's 30 wins to get all possible bounties at a collective heat 5
turbid needle
Not sure I totally get it yet. But I've only cleared once so it'll be more clear later I'm sure
proud topaz
you have to put the heat up after you clear to earn the greater heat bounties
and you only get new bounties after the clear
unkempt pagoda
to a new player it can be pretty daunting, but you'll get it in time
rare kindle
Yeah, you just can’t farm a ton of titan blood by just beating the furies, you need to beat the final boss too to get more titan blood
maiden wolf
what's a good attack boon for lucifer?
i was trying out ares since i figured i'd just be able to sweep a room and proc doom but that was failing me further in when enemy health pools start to balloon in comparison to doom dps
opal lodge
zeus
proud topaz
poseidon is also fun
opal lodge
poseidon is fun, but it's also chosen specifically because it is by far the worst attack boon for lucifer
pseudo stream
is Zeus aspect any good? I love the shield but I've played a lot of the others
pliant anvil
it's pretty good
I'd say the only other aspect on shield that I like is beowulf
Zeus shield pairs really well with zeus special too
fossil compass
does rail even have a "dash-strike" for boon purposes?
robust anchor
yes
fossil compass
cool thanks
robust anchor
yw :)
fading pecan
Getting the most out of the lambent plume is definitely getting more challenging as I go up in heats - does anyone have some tips for clearing rooms faster with the Zag fists at heat 7 and up?
glacial merlin
is Death Defiance better or Stubborn Deficance
proud topaz
what are you trying to do?
glacial merlin
finish elysuim
proud topaz
if you're still struggling through Elysium and trying to get stronger, SD might be better for you
if you're able to confidently get to the final boss then DD is better to maximize your chances of success
at higher heats SD becomes better again
glacial merlin
which is the best weapon
proud topaz
try the Eris aspect of the rail then
there's no real "worst weapon"
all weapons are viable
glacial merlin
but in all ratings which would be the worst weapon
river wing
eris isn't that good. he panthsta probably doensn't have the blood
glacial merlin
on the minor list?
proud topaz
y
some of them reward you with titan blood
tbh it sounds like you need to get some more darkness to get a bit stronger first
torpid wren
Been really digging using Poseidon boons lately when before I'd avoid them. The Sea Storm duo alone seems to create alot of really goofball builds. Tried one with the Rama special exclusively and it it grows into this knockback lightning bolt producing(with "Cold Fusion" Jolted curses) splashing mess. Definately the most chaos I've gotten out of this game by far.
maiden wolf
Wow infinite ammo lucifer hammer is really just terrible
unkempt pagoda
yep!
the only exclusive hammers worth grabbing are flash fire and greater inferno
maiden wolf
even with artemis attack the damage is just so bad it's like i'm not even doing anything
dry ember
You would have more oomph with Zeus Attack.
Artemis Attack on Luci in general can be quite underwhelming.
static karma
I feel like I hit a skill ceiling right now, I got a 5 heat clear with secret sword but I feel like I can’t do that or higher with anything else right now
I need titan’s blood and ambrosia kinda badly
rare kindle
You can trade at wretched broker
rustic coral
static karma
Chiron hangover special has been good but I’m not super good at the game
And haven’t tried it at high heat or anything
Rail is better if you don’t have chiron at 5 or more arrows yet
Eris rail is my best rail personally
rose raft
ugh why the hell doesn't Exclusive Access stack with Refreshing Nectar to guarantee your next 3 boons are Heroic :/
hope this is just a bug because that's... pretty bad if it isn't
rare kindle
There’s only a few ways of getting heroic boons, Eurydice ambrosia or god replacement
rose raft
did you read anything I typed out, really
Exclusive Access = minimum epic rarity, Refreshing Nectar = next 3 boons upgraded rarity
instead it just consumes Refreshing Nectar for 3 boons without doing what it's supposed to do
rare kindle
They probably didn’t want to make heroic boons too common
rose raft
yeah, Hangover/Rupture is sooo broken in combination
torpid wren
Does Artemis attack on luci even do anything? like you get a green beam XD
and that's pretty
static karma
Support fire would be better with luci
Since it activates on each tick
Artemis attack gives luci crit I guess
barren otter
instead it just consumes Refreshing Nectar for 3 boons without doing what it's s...
I don't think Exclusive Access on its own increases your chances of Duo/Legendary. So Refreshing Nectar still works technically.
rose raft
I'm not looking for a duo or legendary, which has nothing to do with how Refreshing Nectar works
barren plover
Which weapon should i specialize in with titans blood
turbid needle
Whichever you like the most.
woven delta
^
Just keep messing around with aspects and see what ones you end up enjoying most
...Though if you want my personal reccomendations on that front, I'd suggest:
Poisiden/Arthur for sword
Hades for spear
Chaos/Beowulf for shield
Chiron for bow
Demeter for fists
Zag/Eris for rail
rare kindle
Arthur sword doesn’t need a lot of titan blood to be good either
Keep in mind, some aspects are good even if you only have the first level, and others need more titan blood to truly excel
calm bluff
I was tempted to take infinite ammo lucifer on my poseidon zeus duo boon run
Unless you have seastorm I don't see why you'd ever use infinite ammo lmao
But I had enough damage that run with how many duos I had that I didn't bother to test it
I like Arthur for Sword, Zag for spear, Beowulf for Shield, Rama for Bow, Gilga/zag/demeter for Fists, and Eris for Rail
woven delta
I feel like I'm the only one here who prefers Zag on rail
calm bluff
But I don't have as many clears as others so I don't have all aspects maxed.
It's really hard for any other rail aspect to compete with 75% increased damage
woven delta
Like I know that damage bonus is massive, but it seems like I end up having to reload a lot more with anything other than Zag
Lucifer's pretty cool though
calm bluff
Reloading isn't bad, means more time to dodge
Which is why I could never go with infinite ammo
I use my reload time to throw in a special and dodge
woven delta
I prefer infinite ammo, honestly
On Zag anyways
Lucifer's equivalent takes away the damage ramp-up which is a nope
calm bluff
if I was going for a meme build with Lucifer where I stack DR and stand still, I'd take infinite ammo
But the game's too fast to make use of infinite ammo.
I mean, zag rail's benefit is just more ammo right? Wouldn't that just take away that benefit?
I wanted to like Guan Yu, but you need a lot of hammer upgrades to make the spin move work so... don't know why you'd take the hp and healing nerf when other spear specials are good
woven delta
I like being able to shoot a lot more before having to reload
cosmic hornet
maxed eris is just too outrageously good
i think they’re nerfing it in the test branch, but i dont think free universal damage buff can ever be bad
calm bluff
Yeah, different playstyles. I typically like to dash around a lot at point blank range, so I use the reload animation as my back off time
woven delta
And they are nerfing it
I don't know the exact values though, not really partaking in it
calm bluff
I'm not really surprised, 75% universal damage is insane lol
I kinda wish I could use hazard bomb with cluster bomb. That'd be some good fun
barren plover
||what is hade's atk patterns, faced him for the first time and him using the spear is cancer||
icy kernel
I kinda wish I could use hazard bomb with cluster bomb. That'd be some good fun
Cluster Rockets are IMO the easiest win in the game if you get them
bronze marten
does Athena's call clear styx poison?
royal helm
I don't think so...
pliant palm
cluster rocket is sooooo busted, it's insane
cosmic hornet
i think it pauses the damage?
frail schooner
hades call clears it
barren plover
Mhm, i need help understanding what boons to go for, like what god is best annd what thiings they offer
river wing
it depends on your weapon/aspect
lime estuary
I know this is probably a dead horse, but I really want to bring up auto-aim again
I just got my butt handed to me by EM4 Hades while using the Lucifer aspect on the controller, and I’m not saying this is the reason I lost, but it was real annoying to have the bombs constantly prioritizing the pots over Hades himself, making me miss most of my shots
I wish there was a way to adjust targeting priority on the fly, or at least just make the pots have less priority then Hades himself
cunning urchin
I'm not looking for a duo or legendary, which has nothing to do with how Refresh...
It does, though. Increased chance for Legendary/Duo, increased chance for Epic, 100% chance for rare. That's what Refreshing Nectar does. Boon rarities are rolled in that order except 1 boon is guaranteed to be Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash if you don't have those slots filled yet.
cunning urchin
Which boons should I use for a good fist run?
Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, and Curse of Agony are all really good.
plucky harbor
speaking of fist, what goes well with gilgamesh? can't really seem to make it work ._.
royal helm
I always felt Gilga can run with so many builds because 3 dashes + Ruthless Reflex but 🤷♂️
The last run I played I had Zeus dash, Heartbreakstrike, Doom special
And the trio
So smoldering air, curse of longing
And it was nice because... I really only ever wanted to Special basically one time for the maim
cunning urchin
I much prefer Greater Reflex on Gilgamesh over Ruthless.
royal helm
The Merciful end normal fist build also works on it just as well especially if you're not confident... because then you have Deflect dash
But yeah, if you pick up deflect dash, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to run Ruthless
plucky harbor
I almost never pick deflect dash, poseidon dash and sea storm is too good
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Merciful End is what I go for, yeah.
Well, it ain't as good at high heat when everything's out to kill you.
Still works, though.
plucky harbor
you guys ever use special on gilgamesh often? other than maim
cause maim deals a lot of damage
cunning urchin
Not really. Only to apply Maim, really.
river wing
nope never. im happy when chaos offers -hp for special, lol
olive spruce
what are everyone's favourite dionysus builds?
I find myself avoiding him most of the time in favour of e.g. Zeus
river wing
probably trippy beo
gleaming bramble
It does, though. Increased chance for Legendary/Duo, increased chance for Epic, ...
interesting ! So for example, if I have attack/special and cast already picked, the next god i pick will offer me his dash boon ?
cunning urchin
Yes.
Either that or an exchange for other priority boons.
But exchanges have a low chance of appearing.
turbid needle
how do you build rama? what should you focus on?
proven osprey
Deadly strike and heartbreak strike are good
Dio/Zeus/Aphro special are good from what I've read here
Twin/triple shot are good hammers since you'll get big dmg
dash strike and obliterate everything
cosmic hornet
my favorite is deadly strike and aphro special
and then fish for heart rend
olive spruce
what's a good attack boon for the spear?
I really want to like the spear but besides achilles spear cast builds I just find it underwhelming
the damage isn't that good
cosmic hornet
for base spear aphro/dem/arte
for hades arte
olive spruce
I'm pretty sure it's never going to be as good as fists or rail
but I think it could do more damage with jolted than a percentage boon
and then I could go for sea storm with poseidon on special
cunning urchin
Divine Strike has the same % modifier as Frost Strike and way better utility.
olive spruce
I think Frost Strike could be better with Killing Freeze
cunning urchin
Nah.
cunning urchin
Blinding Flash and Brilliant Riposte are both huge. It already wins in DPS without looking at their t2 boons because of Deflect.
olive spruce
that's a good point
cunning urchin
But if you see an Epic Frost Strike, I would probably take it.
Frost Strike with Serrated Point, especially, is pretty nice.
cosmic hornet
i always wondered what the interaction between deflect on attack and enemies' melee attack is
do they take their own damage and the attack can't hit us?
cunning urchin
Yeah. They take more damage than they would deal to you, though.
cosmic hornet
ah cool
no wonder people recommend it on fists
cunning urchin
But if the attack connects with your hurtbox on the same frame that it connects with your deflect box, you'll take the damage and won't deflect it.
cosmic hornet
i see
but generally speaking attacks come from the front and the hitbox starts from the startup right? not suddenly spawning a long hitbox the moment a shade's spear is fully extended
it seems great
cunning urchin
Usually. Wretched Thugs kind of just spawn a hitbox on top of you lol.
Spears you really don't want to test like that, either.
Better to strafe them.
Bloodless and Louts you also don't want to test unless you're spaced far. But even then, you should better just get out of the way.
rose raft
It does, though. Increased chance for Legendary/Duo, increased chance for Epic, ...
Thanks for the completely worthless ping in which you didn’t read anything I typed out either. Exclusive Access is the keyword you want to focus on here
cunning urchin
If you have issues with the mechanics, don't take it out on other players trying to explain things to you.
barren otter
^
rose raft
Nah it’s fine I can see the weird spammy reply mentality at work here you don’t have to reply anymore
Literally the simplest reasoning of “if every boon I get is Epic at minimum then the next 3 should be Heroic” but no, all I get is some NPC-level reply that didn’t address what I wrote exactly
olive spruce
the gods never offer you a heroic boon except as a trade
barren otter
^
rose raft
There’s been like 3 times this has been brought up (Jan/May/now) after I did a search and I doubt it’s anything but a ~feature~ at this point but cool
^^^^^ ooh look I can spam too
barren otter
I mean, if you did research and you are convinced it's a feature, where is the problem? the problem is that the feature doesn't work the way you think it should work?
rose raft
tfw you start your first query with “why” when the channel says “balance discussion” and all you get are Gamebryo NPC style replies that amount to “it is what it is” and “muh mechanics”
Sorry I meant ^
open crystal
It’s early on a Wednesday there’s no need to be this aggressive
pastel jolt
Hi @rose raft, please remember rule 1 of the server as listed in #readme-first!
dry shuttle
hey all, trying to get my first clear with shield
I have aspect of chaos upgraded to level 2 and have been told it's the strongest shield aspect
any build recommendations? I've been told to look for dionysus on special
barren otter
since the base damage of the shield's special is pretty low, good gods to go for on shield special are Ares, Zeus and Dionysis
pastel jolt
see, personally my build advice would be to turn around, go back into the house, and pick literally any other weapon, but i haven't been good with shield since the earliest days of early access so i wouldn't know a thing :'D
but zeus seems like it'd work pretty well on shield special
barren otter
explosive return is always a good hammer for a special build on a shield
dry shuttle
I know, I'm much more partial to sword, spear and fists but I'm trying to fulfill the "escape the underworld with every weapon" prophecy
I have a clear with every other weapon
cosmic hornet
i would recommend zeus/ares
i think you need a few more titan bloods to make dio work
dry shuttle
hmm okay
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect used to be top tier in Early Access. It's probably somewhere in the middle or high tier now.
dry shuttle
is it still the best shield aspect tho?
cunning urchin
Beowulf is probably the strongest shield now.
dry shuttle
hmm I'm gonna need 3 bloods to unlock that
cunning urchin
That's the #1 shield pick for speedruns.
dry shuttle
good to know
cunning urchin
At extremely high heats it might drop off, though.
dry shuttle
extremely high heats is a long way off for me lol
cunning urchin
Yeah most people never get there lol.
But like, once you have to take RI3, it suffers a lot.
static karma
Beowulf has been the most fun shield for me that’s for sure
clever igloo
Love beowulf
I got my first clear with a rank 1 or 2 chaos shield, it still works fine for that
static karma
I got it with Zeus shield I think, chaos shield hasn’t clicked for me but I haven’t maxed out aspects yet
I only maxed out zag sword for the skelly thing
open crystal
Chaos shield starts to shine when you fully upgrade it I think. I either go ares or dio for the special, but I bet Poseidon would work. I haven’t tried it yet
clever igloo
Right now for chaos shield I aim for dio special, aphro attack and ares cast or call
But I guess that’ll change when the switch gets the patches
open crystal
Yeah aphro attack to hopefully get the duo boon where hangover stacks more against weak enemies
clever igloo
Yeah and ares for the faster hangover ticks
I like Zeus aspect shield a lot too, it’s a one point wonder with thunder flourish
dusty ridge
for chaos aspect I used zeus special
river wing
starting to use distant memory more often. seems pretty great for stuff like zeus special.
im not sure if it works on things like jolted? does anyone know?
cunning urchin
It's universal damage, so it should work on everything.
I like Heartbreak Flourish on Chaos Aspect.
turbid needle
On 1.0 it did get it's extra shields angles adjusted, making it harder to use. After that, no changes
lime lynx
When trying to get a duo boon and I already have two different boons that unlock the duo, can I stop using keepsakes for either of those gods or is it still better to use one of theirs?
languid dagger
I have a question, does Drunken Strike gets a boost from %attack bonuses?
undone anvil
When trying to get a duo boon and I already have two different boons that unlock...
you can drop their keepsake since it only affects the one you find after you equip it (indicated by the "1" under the keepsake that disappears after you find a boon) but I sometimes like to keep it on as a good luck charm lol
clever igloo
Using the keepsake increases the rarity of the boons received from that deity
But imo it’s not worth the slot once you’ve used it to force the deity to appear once
opal lodge
the only things that will scale flat damage are the tooltips that just say "damage"
like eris buff/hydraulic might
undone anvil
I've had good luck with duo boons by forcing the two gods to appear first and then hunting mini-boss rooms with their rewards
or the Charon shop at the final boss sometimes
clever igloo
Boons in miniboss rooms have a higher chance at better rarities
olive spruce
I feel like I get a lot of duo boons at the elysium pre-boss charon shop
unkempt pagoda
I have a question, does Drunken Strike gets a boost from %attack bonuses?
hangover (and doom and lightning) are considered their own separate damage sources
lime lynx
you can drop their keepsake since it only affects the one you find after you equ...
Say I had the Ares keepsake starting off and got Ares and Aphrodite for attack and special, would it be useless to switch to Aphrodites keepsake in the next region?
undone anvil
nah that would be a good idea actually
because that way you're forcing Aphrodite to appear again and increasing the rarity
opal lodge
depends on what your objective is
if you want to ensure you find duo boon yeah use the keepsake to force
undone anvil
well they're hunting for duos from what I'm gathering
lime lynx
that's correct ^
opal lodge
gotcha
lime lynx
Ty guys makes sense
opal lodge
yeah forcing with keepsake gives a significant increase in duo chance
same thing with filling core boons
lime lynx
Also I didn't pay a lot of attention the first time I got a duo, are there chambers that indicate a duo is going to be offered?
olive spruce
no
languid dagger
@unkempt pagoda @opal lodge so nothing boosts them except Ares' boost to Doom?
olive spruce
miniboss chambers have higher rarity boons though
undone anvil
not really but mini-boss rooms have a higher chance since they are higher rarity
lime lynx
sometimes gods' symbols are side by side and sometimes they are diagonal, they are still the same?
They always seem to trigger the 'choice' thing.
undone anvil
the side-by-side ones are trial rooms
olive spruce
you can't get duos from a trial
lime lynx
What if the symbol is slightly diagonal and to the top
opal lodge
<@!156241073276977153> <@!461369378315960330> so nothing boosts them except Ares...
flat damage can be scaled with tons of things, like eris buff, billowing strength, etc
lime lynx
just lack of space to display them?
unkempt pagoda
<@!156241073276977153> <@!461369378315960330> so nothing boosts them except Ares...
you need damage boosts specific to them or any global boosts
languid dagger
@opal lodge so global boosts, I see
undone anvil
What if the symbol is slightly diagonal and to the top
if there are two god icons on a room it means a trial, their orientation doesn't matter
opal lodge
yeah or impending, as you noticed
one of the reasons why pomming flat damage is usually very effective
undone anvil
also if you have boon rerolls you might wanna utilize those too if you don't get the duo at first, I've had multiple occasions where I got the duo after rerolling
cunning urchin
like eris buff/hydraulic might
Doesn't Hydraulic Might list specifically Attack and Special? Maybe also Cast.
opal lodge
oh youre right
olive spruce
urge to kill lists them specifically too
opal lodge
so the list is narrowed
olive spruce
whereas blood frenzy does not
cunning urchin
Epic Bad Influence actually busted.
lime lynx
One last question, there are two chamber gates ahead, an NPC (Patrocles) and a pom but there's also a Chaos gate. If I step into the chaos gate are the next chambers randomized? Or is it only randomized of I am offered or choose those Chaos boons that hide rewards etc.?
sullen valley
How does Hangover stacking work, if there’s 2 different sources of Hangover damage (ie Attack and Call)
opal lodge
very complicated, but if you go into one room that usually means youve skipped the other
opal lodge
How *does* Hangover stacking work, if there’s 2 different sources of Hangover da...
new sources of hangover overwrite old sources of hangover
cunning urchin
It's random, but the NPC chamber won't show up again.
opal lodge
this is why it's bad to have multiple sources of hangover in a build
undone anvil
One last question, there are two chamber gates ahead, an NPC (Patrocles) and a p...
it'll be randomized and you won't see Patroclus again this run
sullen valley
So I guess you would have to wait for your older and weaker Hangover stacks to expire?
opal lodge
no you could apply the new ones over it
it uses the most recently applied ones, is what i'm saying
lime lynx
jk, ty
I am 'working' and also playing in between whenever I have some downtime so I am very distracted, sry 🙂
cunning urchin
You're welcome. Now give me all your obols. 🔫
polar sandal
ok that makes sense
lime lynx
here have my 32 coins 
cunning urchin
Nice.
Tomorrow I'll ask again. 
Some kids actually did that to me in elementary school. 
lime lynx
Stole your obols? sorry to hear.
Also I have only had two chances to steal from Charon twice but he just wrecked me both times.
cunning urchin
Yeah, they had some pocket knife and waited for me before school most days. That's why I don't steal Charon's obols. (It's not because m scared, I swear. 
)
opal lodge
jesus that's terrible
olive spruce
Also I have only had two chances to steal from Charon twice but he just wrecked ...
this happens to me a lot too
cunning urchin
No, jesus wasn't involved.
olive spruce
I think if I have enough health and most of my build is in place then I'll risk it
olive spruce
I did this successfully once because I had arthur sword
lime lynx
What kind of school was that? Do you live in Tartarus? 
olive spruce
it's usually not the worst idea in elysium
opal lodge
nyaanyaa condemned to the depths of tartarus for doing boonless mirrorless 32 heat runs
olive spruce
that sounds pretty painful actually
cunning urchin
I either play on Heat so low that I just buy his whole stock anyway and don't even need it or so high that I don't want to risk timing out by fighting him.
cunning urchin
I wonder if it would save time in Elysium, though.
opal lodge
x to doubt
lime lynx
I'll maybe first try to clearn once with the rail and then try to take Charon on haha. *I have only cleared in god (aka easy) mode and decided to try normally this week, I've lost the last 10 runs and one of those was an early Charon.
opal lodge
i guess maybe faster than a soulsword/flamewheel chamber?
or than in RTA but you cant predict that
cunning urchin
JS3 etc. in late Elysium chambers can take a long time with some builds.
lime lynx
I always die to poison or Hades with the rail, I guess positioning is bad. Also how does poison work?
dry ember
it's a dot debuff
opal lodge
if you stand on it you get poisoned 
dry ember
what specifically do you want to know about poison?
cunning urchin
It works essentially the same as Hangover does on enemies.