h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

Doom on Chiron . . .

[primal hazel]

Stacking with misfortune it's fun

And puts on decent numbers

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. Maybe I'll give it a serious try sometime.

[proven osprey]

Never

Listen

to

stones

[civic cape]

I feel like Fated Persuasion is way better than Fated Authority so far in my experience. What's the general opinion of others?

[proven osprey]

yes

[balmy portal]

jdev921 - you can always fall back on a casting build

dio or demeter casts and just pump their damage up as high as you go 😛

then it doesn't matter what weapon you're using

[river wing]

yes. general consensus that green good purple bad on fated stuff

[balmy portal]

I do keep hoping for a small balance patch

push the weaker things a bit stronger

but the game's overall so amazing I can't find it in myself to really care 😛

[civic cape]

If they wanted to nerf Fated Persuasion, they could make it cost the same amount(s) as it does now but to reroll only one option on the boons list/well

[balmy portal]

I'd just buff the other

make its random have a higher tendency to boons than it currently does, or something

keys could add 2 for it

so you can at least reroll more per key you take, too

(its base value is higher so that fits alright)

[unique lichen]

how do the shot based duo boons interact with the baowulf flare? like blizzard shot and stuff

[balmy portal]

I do like purple for the earlier mirror options, though

I'm kinda torn on Gods' Pride vs Gods' Legacy also; more build specific I think

[gray shore]

Also heat/ pact setting specific

A lot of the choices vary in relative strength and desirability

[balmy portal]

do armored targets count as "undamaged" as long as they have armor, by the way? I feel like they do

[gray shore]

based on heat/pact settings

I like that about this game

[balmy portal]

there's many things I like about the design of this game

[gray shore]

true dat

[balmy portal]

I think it's the most polished roguelite I've played

[gray shore]

would have to test to be sure? I think not based on my last fiery presence hestia run

[balmy portal]

hmmm

[gray shore]

but I didn't record it and do the maths or anything

[balmy portal]

my hits seem to all do the same

well, maybe I'll do a more controlled test.

[gray shore]

yeah

[balmy portal]

it would add a lot of value to the damage vs. undamaged trait though, if armored counts as undamaged

[gray shore]

Tbh, fiery presence has great value with stuff like Hestia

[balmy portal]

yeah

[gray shore]

insane special gun builds

[balmy portal]

anything big burst

[gray shore]

or just massive AOE explosive launcher on spear etc

[balmy portal]

I just had a run where I got rockets + 5x special and holy crap the damage

[gray shore]

i absolutely prefer shadow presence 80% of the time

[balmy portal]

if only I'd been running Eris

[gray shore]

but, I like that it's a realistic choice

it's unfair to say any of the mirror choices are straight up unviable

[balmy portal]

no; but some could be a little stronger

[gray shore]

dark foresight is a bit borked for its own good though

which ones would you highlight as being mediocre/weak?

[balmy portal]

as in, good?

dark foresight that is

[gray shore]

it's disgustingly good

[balmy portal]

I have been running it 😄

[gray shore]

it's basically singlehandedly the main reason that Routine Inspection is considered toxic heat

because any levels of RI remove dark foresight

[balmy portal]

yep

though losing the increased rarity and rerolls hurts really badly, too

[gray shore]

you can still gain rerolls from key rooms

and your mirror setting for authority/persuasion is remembered even mirrorless so

[balmy portal]

yeah

[gray shore]

the increased rarity loss is a real thing tho

tbf just watching people do mirrorless 40 heat is like

just wow

[gray shore]

btw which mirror talents would you like to be buffed? just curious

[balmy portal]

I think privileged status is kinda weak; I understand it can be amazing but it requires two status effects before its damage bonus applies and those fall off so easily, versus just a flat +30% permanent damage you can get from family favorite. Plus for two status effects, you have to have at least +10% from family favorite.

so it's strong but I feel overly build conditional

Stubborn Defiance is kinda weak; I thought originally it was great to have a re-usable death defied but then I realized if you don't death defy three times in a run it's just flat weaker, plus you can restore the others

[gray shore]

PS feels good to me. In a great place imo

+40% is an insane modifier

[balmy portal]

Stubborn Defiance could be better if things that restored death defied would add extra

[gray shore]

vs FF which scales 0, 5, 10, 15, 25

[balmy portal]

by the time you can trigger PS, you have 10% FF

[gray shore]

Stubborn Defiance is considered the backbone of most runs at heat 40+

[balmy portal]

hmmm

[gray shore]

40% is 4 times stronger than 10% sooooo

[balmy portal]

yes

but

[clever igloo]

Yeah stubborn defiance sees a ton of use

[gray shore]

I think it's in a good place

[balmy portal]

you have to take two status boons to get that 40% 😛

[clever igloo]

I usually end up wit that anyway

[gray shore]

I think PS is weapon specific

for some it's amazing

[balmy portal]

and it will never apply on the first hit... does it apply to the hit inflicting the second condition?

[gray shore]

for others it's FF all the way

if I'm taking artemis

I take FF for consistency reasons

[balmy portal]

Dark Regeneration; mostly on the list because Styx has no dark

except if you luck into a well

are all +%'s additive?

like; are there any that aren't? Obviously crits multiply

anyway, the only mirror option I really think is bleh is that last door reroll one

not terrible but just way weaker than controlling any selection except hammers

[gray shore]

Tbf, I've used/ know a specific use for all mirror talents, but I ignore the Fated Authority and + rare boons

[balmy portal]

anyway

I'm not trying to say they don't have uses, just that I feel they're so much more niche that it would be nice if they had slight boosts

not necessarily even top-potential damage boosts, but boosts that made them ... a little more general?

Like what if Privileged Status added +10% if enemies had one condition, and +40% with two

so it's not just a total waste of a mirror pick if you don't end up with condition applying boons

*two different ones

also if stubborn defiance is primarily used for 40 heat runs, I'd definitely argue it's too niche >.>

and if it gets improved a bit for more general use and that allows people to push a little higher in the heat, that's fine 😛

like; I think what I'd do there is allow it to have a "used" slot that you can fill by restoring a death defiance (via Athena boon, or whatever) and that will be consumed on a second stubborn defy within one fight

just my personal take on it

[clever igloo]

I get that

But privileged status gets a bigger boost early if you do turn it on, so it’s more damage than family ever could be and faster

Lots of deities have useful curses, I tend to qualify fairly often, I think it’s very good

[balmy portal]

I often get weakness

what else do you consider particularly useful?

or chill; but it's relatively rare for me to get both, actually

[clever igloo]

Pretty much all of them

[balmy portal]

doom is very weapon specific; jolted takes at least two boons to apply

[clever igloo]

If I’m in Zeus at all odds are I’m getting jolted

[balmy portal]

Ruptured?

[clever igloo]

Ruptured is more rare

But I often end up with marked

[balmy portal]

Marked counts as a debuff huh

[clever igloo]

I often end up with some way to apply hangover

[unique lichen]

it does but if you want a small boost instead of a situational big one you go family, you will almost always get 20%

[clever igloo]

Weak, chill

Exposed

[unique lichen]

i get exposed all the time

[balmy portal]

exposed is another two boons

family is over 20% almost every run for me

[clever igloo]

I almost always qualify for it

[balmy portal]

I assume hammer doesn't count

[clever igloo]

The question isn’t how many boons

If you’re in almost any deity you will likely consider its curse

[balmy portal]

yeah but

[clever igloo]

And naturally end up qualifying

[balmy portal]

how are you applying both curses?

or are you focusing on the boss fights?

[clever igloo]

It varies a lot but usually it happens

Sometimes I randomly pick up aphro dash

Sometimes I randomly have demeter call

[balmy portal]

then you have to be dashing into enemies or it won't apply exposed 😛

[unique lichen]

i like a random snow burst on cast to

[clever igloo]

Yeah

[balmy portal]

By the end, FF is at 25% or 30% for all my runs

[unique lichen]

but i think the point is that 20% vs a 40% buff that forces you to look for curses seems pretty like a good trade off

[balmy portal]

my issue isn't even forcing to look for curses, though that's part of it (Until you get that second curse your trait is worth zero)

it's also that until you get the curses applied, it's +0%

[clever igloo]

PE has a more meaningful impact for the majority of the run imo

As soon as you get two curses it’s on all the way

Family has to build up over time

[balmy portal]

yeah

I don't disagree with that

[unique lichen]

ya family is usually not over 15 before the end of tart

it dos annoy me when i don't get razors on Poseidon though

[opal lodge]

i wouldn't say FF is strictly better

but it pays off earlier

PS has some niche uses imo

[unique lichen]

is almost always use ps

[opal lodge]

only builds where i would somewhat consider it are snow burst hera with aphro cast

[unique lichen]

but i have never done over 20 heat so ...

[opal lodge]

and same build with beowufl

[unique lichen]

if feel like it is good for any build that does not include artemis as a primary god

unless you go high heat and need to get rid of boons

[opal lodge]

a T2 curse that you take is another boon that you don't

the question is if you value razor shoals over something like wave pounding

[balmy portal]

like

...I try to avoid drunk because it's both relatively low damage per hit and it's very slow damage

I wouldn't want to have to use my pick on drunk when I could take +4% per fountain

[opal lodge]

I think it's more usable if you 2 very easily applicable T1 curses

otherwise im taking FF

PS isn't reliable enough to always be using, you have to plan and aim for it

[balmy portal]

that's what I feel, and why I'd like PS to have a +10% damage when one curse is applied

to make it a little more reliable, if not as strong as FF in that case

[unique lichen]

i think i generally do always prio t2 curses

except for artemis

they are usually pretty good

[balmy portal]

Artemis' t2 is marked?

or is it something else

[unique lichen]

ya

[balmy portal]

...that's the one t2 I do generally prioritize

[unique lichen]

just way to hard to use on bosses, really good for large mob groups though

It also has to with the fact that i don't really aspire to push past 20 heat so i think of builds more from a boss focus rather than mobs since they are so easy at that heat

[balmy portal]

Artemis' t2 works great on Hades though

just pop his skulls

well; relatively great

I guess prioritize is the wrong word, but I'll often end up with it

speaking of heat

I feel like the second notch of forced overtime should be worth 4 instead of 3

it makes things so much more brutal

[unique lichen]

yes

[balmy portal]

I cleared one notch without really noticing it, and haven't made it to Hades with two

[unique lichen]

i feel like i have to relearn all my dash timings with every level of FO

[balmy portal]

aaand... EM3 should only be 2 heat, but EM4 should be 5 or 6 😛

I just don't get hangover

like the epic drunken flourish while I'm using a spear

7 damage every half a second, for four seconds. That's 56 damage.

That's less than +100% damage, and it takes it four seconds to get there.

and all it does out of the box is that slow damage; it takes multiple other boons and/or poms to get it much better.

[still estuary]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[balmy portal]

where would you put it on?

most specials are stronger than 50 damage

aside from ... shield?

[still estuary]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[balmy portal]

so drunk is made for the bow alone? 😛

[proven osprey]

basically yes

playable on Zeus too

[balmy portal]

that's way too niche 😦

kinda playable on zeus

except zeus waaaay overstacks

bit of a waste

no. Lot of a waste.

[proven osprey]

it is

[balmy portal]

Zeus works much better for damage with ... well, zeus

[proven osprey]

but it works

[balmy portal]

just like

[proven osprey]

depends of the heat too

[balmy portal]

one attack with one weapon

ugh

when would you want drunken strike?

[proven osprey]

Zeus needs zeus

With artemis special

pretty good at high heat

[balmy portal]

drunken strike with artemis special?

[proven osprey]

yeah

Duo is fine and Artemis basically works on her own

[balmy portal]

ah so it's just to enable a duo

that's not a good reason for drunk to exist the way it is 😛

so

[proven osprey]

not really

it's good damage

[balmy portal]

let's just add "overhaul drunk" to my list of dream patch notes

[proven osprey]

the duo is fine addition that's all

[balmy portal]

drunken strike is terrible damage

[proven osprey]

alone yes

But with zeus aspect it's alright

[balmy portal]

at rare it's base 40 damage added to your attack, but again takes four seconds to get there

no

drunken strike is your attack

zeus aspect doesn't work with that

[proven osprey]

ok

[balmy portal]

drunken flourish does work okay with zeus aspect, but you never want to take it because it will make it harder to get the zeus zap on special which is way better

hmmm

imo add a 2% miss chance per drunk stack, base, to drunk

let it be generally poor damage but have a defensive aspect to it

[opal lodge]

im curious wouldnt you prefer heartbreak strike @proven osprey

im not a zeus trier though

[balmy portal]

zeus doesn't do a lot of damage per strike

[opal lodge]

exactly

so you just use your primary to set up duos

[balmy portal]

which is why adding zap to it is amazing

oh, you mean on attack

yeah

[opal lodge]

i mean 50 heat is done with artemis

[balmy portal]

I don't see why you'd add drunk

[opal lodge]

that's why im curious

[balmy portal]

My issue is

I don't see why you'd add drunk at any heat

except for bow special?

[proven osprey]

Baj explained that artemis works well since you don't need much boons

[balmy portal]

that's one attack in the entire game

[proven osprey]

and that dio attack is an option

never said it was the best option

[opal lodge]

drunken strike is good on some weapons

[proven osprey]

but at tried it myself at 35ish and it was fine

nvm I'm tired

[opal lodge]

just usually is outclassed by zeus attack on those same weapons

[balmy portal]

that's my concern, exactly

it's just a little too niche

and second-best is still ... everything imo should have a decent number of best case uses

[opal lodge]

but for zeus shield drunken strike is there primarily to set up splitting headache

and it's not bad for room clear

[balmy portal]

I'm not saying drunk strike is unusable

[simple badge]

Can you guys recommend a build for swords to beat a run with it? I feel like swords prob the hardest weapon to use well for me at least

[balmy portal]

but that I feel it's too niche

cast build aleanotis 😛

[opal lodge]

you also might be overkilling things with hangover bianary

[balmy portal]

festive fog or demeter lasers

[simple badge]

I never really done a cast build

[opal lodge]

it's a very "set-it and forget it" type thing

[balmy portal]

I'm just looking at how much damage it deals Bright

generally per strike you're better off with Zeus and done with it

because it will be just as much damage, and not 4 seconds later

[opal lodge]

@simple badge you can always go artemis attack aphro special and aim for heart rend on any sword

that or just do merciful end

[balmy portal]

sword is probably my least favorite weapon, aside from its fourth aspect

[simple badge]

yeah I don’t like sword at all

But I need to finish a run with it to get the Titan blood

[proven osprey]

ME might be the best on Zag

[opal lodge]

merciful end is braindead and athena dash at least grants you some protection

[balmy portal]

well

if you want a cast build

[proven osprey]

but why would you use zag

[balmy portal]

focus on either dio or demeter

[opal lodge]

if you need the early damage just go for deadly reversal instead

[balmy portal]

if you get dio cast, all you really need to do is pump poms into it

[simple badge]

Merciful end is a hammer perk?

[balmy portal]

and take chaos +% damage on cast if you can

[proven osprey]

demeter cast huh

[opal lodge]

merciful end is the ares/athena duo boon

[balmy portal]

demeter cast gets amazing if you can invest

[opal lodge]

the fabled meme beam build on sword

[balmy portal]

needs art duo

yes

meme beam indeed

get second cast +30% and bonus casts from a well or whatever

so many lazers

[opal lodge]

you will forgive me if i am not a believer

[balmy portal]

I mean

it's not a great high heat build

because it takes forever to set it up

but once it's running you just kite around dropping lasers and letting them shred everything for you

[lost wraith]

lads does blood frenzy stack?

[balmy portal]

don't think so

[opal lodge]

nah you either have it or you dont

[balmy portal]

awww damage vs undamaged does count damaged armor as damaged

well, that decreases its value a lot for most builds

[opal lodge]

you mean fiery presence wise?

[balmy portal]

bah

and it doesn't count full health but no armor as undamaged either

yeah

[opal lodge]

most valuable in tartarus for very specific weapon types

[balmy portal]

yep

it would need high burst

[opal lodge]

that and i like it on eris to gamble for cluster rockets

[balmy portal]

is that 5x + rockets?

wouldn't that still benefit from backstab damage

[opal lodge]

eris special cant backstab

[balmy portal]

ahh

okay my last wtb is this "spear special bounces to other foes" to stop bouncing when there's only one enemy please and thank you

not sure what its fixation is with opposite corners of the room against Tisiphone but it's basically unusable 😦

[opal lodge]

on EM1 it's because the other furies are valid targets even though you cant actually hit them

chaos and chain skewer both detect them

[balmy portal]

they weren't even present in the battlefield sometimes

but that may be it

it also seems to like pillars

either way; it shouldn't be going after those things

makes that hammer upgrade something of a trap

[opal lodge]

tbh charged skewer and explosive launcher are the only dece special hammers

[balmy portal]

clearly needs buffing.... and I'd start with just bug fixing 😛

bouncing to non-enemies I'd totally consider a bug

[tight cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/r1h7vFg

for some reason, the cast still only does 120 damage even with the chaos buff

https://imgur.com/a/KstnBhP

[balmy portal]

the thunder flare isn't considered cast damage, apparently

which is ... odd.

[tight cypress]

hmmm

[balmy portal]

seems like a bug

[tight cypress]

if it changes anything, I did swap my cast from thunder flare, to passion flare, back to thunder flare thanks to a trial room

[balmy portal]

I'd use F10 and bug report that

[undone anvil]

just noticed that the Aspect of Arthur's special also completely negates certain traps' effects, that is a game changer

[balmy portal]

oh?

I think I saw some of the bow traps not firing with it but I didn't consider it...

[undone anvil]

it doesn't negate explosions but it disables the spikes and buttons in Tartarus, you can also just straight up walk on lava in Asphodel if you drop the aura on it

[balmy portal]

that's fascinating 😮

[undone anvil]

I just noticed it during the fury fight because I dropped the aura on a spike trap and it turned gray like it normally does after you clear a chamber

so I decided to test it in Asphodel and sure enough, it works

you can just chill on top of lava as long as the aura is there

[balmy portal]

I wonder if it does anything to Hades' pots

[undone anvil]

I'm assuming that's an EM4 thing?

[balmy portal]

no

[rare kindle]

Hades has pots in non EM too, difference is he doesn't ||heal||

[balmy portal]

the green things with grasping hands

hmm

||he also doesn't just randomly spawn a couple following him around the arena regularly||

[undone anvil]

ohh right now I get what you meant by pots lol

I'll see if I can test it out I'm just about to fight him

I thought you were shortening potions

[balmy portal]

hehe

[rare kindle]

the closest thing to a potion in this game are well of charon items

why does charon need so much money when it's all going back to him in the end anyway?

[balmy portal]

principle of the thing

[undone anvil]

yeah that's a negative, Hades pots still damage and stun even if I'm standing in the aura

there's I think an Athena boon that makes you impervious to stuns though

[stark ore]

Unshakeable Mettle, it's the Poseidon-Athena Duo

[balmy portal]

yeah

[undone anvil]

that's the one

[balmy portal]

but it was the damage 😛

I really don't want to turn on increased security ever

well; it's okay for lower heat

but it would break my heart to lose a higher heat run to a 150 damage pot

[rare kindle]

not to mention the traps in styx

and asphodel too, lava everywhere

[balmy portal]

those are generally easier for me to avoid, but yeah unfortunate when you don't

[undone anvil]

I despise heightened security because I suck at avoiding traps

[turbid needle]

getting hit by the styx traps causes me physical pain

[undone anvil]

I think I only got 1 clear with it turned on and it was so I could get it off the checklist for the prophecy

[balmy portal]

the only thing that really bothers me at styx is how the non-boss rooms are often so much harder for me to clear than the boss rooms

...generally depending on if they spawn a pile of armored satyrs or not

[undone anvil]

I've actually come to prefer running the boss rooms because of this lol

[turbid needle]

yeah they take forever

[rare kindle]

the poison is the real killer

[balmy portal]

it is

well

their attacks are just hard to dodge too

[undone anvil]

if you have high damage output clearing the bosses is so much less of a hassle than the big rooms

[balmy portal]

fast, ranged, multiple shots when armored

[turbid needle]

I would much rather melt 1-2 minibosses than spend like 2 minutes in a giant endless room

[balmy portal]

if you can't clear the bosses well, you're probably dead against Hades anyway

but the rooms are just so hard

[undone anvil]

Athena dash is the key to countering the Satyr I think but even then you can get distracted easily and mistime your dash

[turbid needle]

their attacks are pretty heavily telegraphed

[balmy portal]

but so fast still

[turbid needle]

it's rough when there's a bunch of them though

[rare kindle]

I think poseidon dash is really effective for clearing the small rooms

[balmy portal]

exactly my problem

2+ armored satyrs

nightmare

and a non-boss room just feels wrong to be so much harder than a "boss" room that gives double the rewards

poison isn't too bad to get rid of with the antidotes around, and it takes a moment to start ticking damage

but then you've often got sawblades right around the antidote

or the poison wells

just to make it a big hassle

[turbid needle]

as I've gone through styx more and more I've learned to just avoid getting poisoned rather than look for the antidote wells

I know thats hypnos tier advice but it's true

[undone anvil]

the two sawblades room with the little clearing to the side is my sworn enemy

[balmy portal]

I mean, that's what I try to do too misty

but when there's satyrs plinking me from off screen it doesn't always happen

can someone spoiler ||spoiler|| at me how to unlock Hermes' progression? I've literally got everyone else unlocked and can't figure out what he's looking for.

or I can just try to google for it 😛

nevermind

looked it up

unrelated. Does anyone else think the +2% damage/+1.2% dodge chance items are a little weak?

I know they can get to pretty big bonuses at the end but it's at the cost of losing all early round benefits, or else their end boost is pitiful

[still vigil]

okay i need something cleared up frfr

i was jokin about it earlier but there's still a fair amount of folx that say you can get duos from trials

just not between the two gods

[balmy portal]

I believe I have received a duo from a trial

[opal lodge]

no it's impossible

confirmed via code

[balmy portal]

guess bad memory on my part

[opal lodge]

you can get legendaries

[balmy portal]

I'm alright with that though

trials giving double boons is quite strong anyway

[undone anvil]

yeah

[opal lodge]

the lambent plume is very good

the pierced butterfly is kind of a meme

oh just casually don't get hit and you'll end up with a little more damage than if you just run family favorite

even if you dont get hit its not worth it

[undone anvil]

the first time I went into a trial was like my 5th run I think, I had no DD didn't know what was going on so I picked one and thought that would be it but then Poseidon started attacking me with his lil wave

I lasted maybe 40 seconds

[balmy portal]

I do wish the gods were balanced better for difficulty in the trials

[undone anvil]

I only ran pierced butterfly so I could max rank it and also get 30% attack for 2 separate achievements

it doesn't seem much useful for else

[rare kindle]

Aphrodite is so difficult

I like Artemis but she’s easier to dodge

[undone anvil]

Athena is by far the easiest, she just gives people armor

[opal lodge]

aphrodite's is almost impossible to dodge

you can't i-frame through it

[undone anvil]

I mean it makes sense but still

[rare kindle]

Athena goes up a difficulty in elysium, allows them to respawn

[opal lodge]

eh

[undone anvil]

yeah that's where she really shines but compared to others it's still weak

[opal lodge]

i think athena is ez if you have any knockback or burst on your build

you can hit them out of circle

[undone anvil]

you just gotta rush the shade before she can give armor

that too

[balmy portal]

athena is easiest

aphrodites is one of the hardest yeah; and because of how it spawns on you

poseidon is right after aphrodite imo

[still vigil]

and that homing QAQ

[balmy portal]

and the rest are just generally keep moving

so I'd really like to see poseidon and aphrodite tuned down a bit, and athena tuned up

athena's shield blast should at least hurt you

[rare kindle]

Demeter is difficult too

[balmy portal]

yeah

I'd put

[rare kindle]

If you get caught by the vortex, you lose like 60 health right there

[balmy portal]

demeter > dio > artemis > zeus/ares

[undone anvil]

man Demeter just sucks to deal with in general

out of all Theseus boosts Demeter is by far the worst for me

[still vigil]

what if there was PoP that increased the difficult of trials?

[balmy portal]

they're pretty easy to avoid

but that would be an interesting option since they are rewarding

[opal lodge]

poseidon's quite easy

mans got no wheels

just dash through the wave

[balmy portal]

it's more

I have to constantly be watching for said wave

and it can come from weird angles

[undone anvil]

I agree, Posedion's got the drifts on that wave

[frail schooner]

ares is kinda weird too

[balmy portal]

though arthur's defense field makes poseidon's wave hilarious

[frail schooner]

cause it’s instant unlike zeus

[still vigil]

eg Aphro atk stuns longer, poseidon has a wider wave, and zeus causes jolted to be applied

[undone anvil]

it keeps taking tight corners and coming back

[balmy portal]

it just gets stuck

[undone anvil]

I also don't think Aphrodite is too bad to deal with as long as you keep your attention on the heart

[opal lodge]

@still vigil i think people would jsut not take trials

[balmy portal]

Aphro doesn't need to be buffed

oh

you're saying for the PoP

[undone anvil]

it stops tracking after a while and respawns

[opal lodge]

aphrodite is just more annoying than the others

[frail schooner]

yeah i guess arthur makes some trials a lot easier

[balmy portal]

I'd just generally like buffs to non-aphro

or

[opal lodge]

same with demeter

[still vigil]

yea fer pop not fer regular degular stuff

[balmy portal]

and I wouldn't mind if aphro had a spawn time

where you could see where it was gonna spawn rather than just get rng screwed by it spawning instantly right on top of you

[still vigil]

or if ares summoned 2-3 blade rifts that bounced around fer a short period of time XD

how to best use second wave and vicious cycle?

[opal lodge]

don't know what you mean by "use" vicious cycle

you just sort of have it

best way to use second wave is to sell it

[undone anvil]

if you have good knockback and extra damage on wall hits etc. second wave is quite good

I had my build set up that way before getting it randomly at Styx a couple runs ago and it helped out a bit

[balmy portal]

yeah if you have the splash on wall hit

second wave is hilarious in Styx

[pliant anvil]

I personally also view second wave as a waste in the majority of areas.

[undone anvil]

I'm still missing a lot of duos and legendaries for the prophecies

[balmy portal]

target them with trinkets

and mirror boost chance of duo/leg

[undone anvil]

I have it maxed out already, I just gotta pull up a list of which boon is which 2 gods etc.

[balmy portal]

yeah

the in game thing is nice for that

[undone anvil]

damn I completely forgot there's an in-game list with the requirements and everything lmao

[balmy portal]

and it shows which are still fated to be picked 🙂

you can even bring it up while on a boon selection menu

[turbid needle]

https://youtu.be/D_CGzb-y93I is this still good, did 1.0 undo these rankings?

[balmy portal]

I find keepsakes pretty conditional

[undone anvil]

yeah I don't know if I would follow any ranking for keepsakes, everything highly depends on what you're going for at the start and then also what happens during your run

[turbid needle]

can't really go wrong with collar

[balmy portal]

or coins to earn more gold, if running the +%

[timber oyster]

What should I be looking for in a good Guan Yu build?

[undone anvil]

some health buffs if you play like me

[balmy portal]

I do like the +health

but really

you want the hammer faster charge, imo

[turbid needle]

he recommends coins or rose basically

[balmy portal]

those are the two with later game benefits

[opal lodge]

GY really like charged skewer and a meaty % boon on special

[dusty ridge]

same

focus on special, the spin is a secondary tool available imo

[turbid needle]

If you spawn into Quick Spin it's a viable build, but that can still require a galaxy brain when Special is just as good and super brainless.

[dusty ridge]

yeah, if possible I think I'd go for both charged special hammer and quick spin

[unborn pebble]

Remind me, are Chaos Boons affected by the reduced Max Health from the Cursed Slash on Sword?

[balmy portal]

yes

[unborn pebble]

Thank you 😐

[turbid needle]

cursed slash is so funny

[undone anvil]

Aspect of Guan Yu more like pick any other aspect and get Exploding Launcher from Daedalus amirite folks

[balmy portal]

hard to get the fourth aspect fate with that

anyway I also don't get exploding launcher offered very often 😦

[undone anvil]

I find it pretty much every time I have the spear, guess I'm lucky

I much prefer it over the standard throw and recall

[proven osprey]

you should try GY a bit more

it pierces and scale incredibly well with charged skewer

[balmy portal]

GY's attack can be amazing with bonus size + charge rate

charges to max so fast

[undone anvil]

I've done 2 runs with it, once when I first unlocked it (and didn't realize it was taking away my HP) where I hated it

and then another one for the prophecy but that time I was ready for it and it was actually quite fun

[balmy portal]

you need to max it so you have 50% hp instead of 30%

[undone anvil]

I'm just not the best with low HP but I had fun with it while doing the prophecy run

in my first run I also hadn't noticed you had to utilize your charge for lifesteal

[balmy portal]

it's not really lifesteal :/

it's 1 healing per strike

[undone anvil]

well you take their HP away and give yourself more so I'm gonna call it lifesteal still lol

[balmy portal]

I just expect lifesteal to scale based on damage 😛

just from that terminology

[undone anvil]

fair point, yeah

[balmy portal]

so it was more of a warning; the weapon's fine that way

warning about expectations that is

[simple badge]

Cold embrace is such an awkward cast boom to use

Is that boom good or is it a meme? It feels trash

[primal hazel]

Fun on fists
But only "fun"

[simple badge]

I think I just messed up my run by getting it

[primal hazel]

Idk how you can mess up your fun with that
Other than if you were doing casts

[simple badge]

I’m trying to kill things as easy as possible lol not as fun

I saw dual so I thought it was gonna be good

[primal hazel]

Pff peasant

It's all about fun

[balmy portal]

Cold embrace shouldn't exist

sell it ASAP

if it would shoot past you or provide you a damage boost while a beam was striking you or ... something?

but yeah; it's legitimately bad imo

the only boon that really qualifies

(which is pretty impressive, tbh, but ... makes it stick out)

[turbid needle]

It works strangely enough with Hera.

[balmy portal]

I mean; you can kinda make it work with anything you can dash through enemies with

but it's so clunky compared to just letting your crystals auto-aim

[primal hazel]

As I said
With fists it's ok since it's just a bit of free damage

[balmy portal]

or

just don't take it and the auto-aim will do far more damage

[primal hazel]

But ok is overvaluing it a bit xD

[balmy portal]

that's really my issue with it

that you're almost always losing damage versus whatever setup you had immediately prior to taking it

and there's no real way to build to make it shine

[primal hazel]

I mean having cold embrace means having had beam before

Bc of the slow tracking of normal beam cold embrace is still "better" lol

[balmy portal]

but it's not because it requires you to be on the opposite side of the enemy

so if the enemy moves a little you have to move a lot to keep it in the line

waste of dps

[primal hazel]

With fists you'll love position a lot either way

[balmy portal]

I mean you're free to pick it if you want

me, it's 415 gold and goodbye ASAP

and I think generally you'll get higher damage from it with the slow tracking 😛

[primal hazel]

As I said: not with fists

I'm taking about a very very limited scenario xD

Generally yes
But you shouldn't have taken beam in the first place xD

[turbid needle]

Artemis beam carried me to my first win lmao

[primal hazel]

We talking aphrodite duo

[balmy portal]

yeah

[turbid needle]

ye

[balmy portal]

I don't think it's better even with gloves, personally 😛

[primal hazel]

Have you tried it?

[balmy portal]

yes

like

if you have lasers, it means you want to be able to shoot around corners basically

[primal hazel]

To each their own ig
450 gold is still 450 gold

Might as well also sell beam then

[balmy portal]

no?

[turbid needle]

free achievement

[primal hazel]

Yes

[proven osprey]

Damn you opened my eyes

[primal hazel]

Every day occurrence with me

You should be used to it

[proven osprey]

True

[balmy portal]

like; if you took lasers already, you probably took them for a reason

why would you sell them just because you sold the aph duo?

[primal hazel]

I'm assuming if you don't build around them there's no reason to take lasers

Except for an unrelated duo maybe

[balmy portal]

and the aph duo is just worse than not having it if your lasers are strong, so

yes, 450 gold

[primal hazel]

Strong lasers
I see you're a fan of Oxymorons too

[balmy portal]

lasers are huge boss killers if built up

and pretty good at clearing through fodder

[primal hazel]

If you do a laser cast builds they're fun

With achilles f.e.

[undone anvil]

you know what, cold embrace would be good if the beam connected to you and followed you around

kinda like the linkers you get when you turn on benefits package

[balmy portal]

I've heard the suggestion that the gems link to each other

as well as you

[primal hazel]

That would be sick

[undone anvil]

that would also be cool

[proven osprey]

yeah

I thought about it too

[balmy portal]

wasn't my idea but I liked it ^^

[undone anvil]

imagine getting +2 casts and then dropping them all over the map

[primal hazel]

Claim it as urs

Nobody will know

[undone anvil]

just an infinite amount of lasers all over the screen

[balmy portal]

+2 casts with 2.25 recharge time

buy another cast from a well of charon

[turbid needle]

Pomming the crap out of Glacial Glare, too. 👌

You get like 8 lasers on the screen at once.

[undone anvil]

lemme just @ the whole Supergiant team so they get to work on this

[balmy portal]

probably not have them all connect to each other; might be a few too many lasers 😛

but they could at least chain around like the enemies do

[primal hazel]

Whole you're at it
Tell them to please finally ship the patches to switch

[balmy portal]

with fists and lasers though

[primal hazel]

I'm dying for secret rail buff and hera crush shot hitbox fixes

[balmy portal]

you also have to keep dodging to the same side to drop your new lasers

and while you're doing that your old lasers won't be hitting the target

it should 100% pierce enemies; does it do that?

crush shot on PC still has a weird hitbox though 😦

extremely unreliable with hera

[undone anvil]

I gotta go farm some prophecies tomorrow

still missing some legendaries, duos, and just the normal ones from 3 gods

[still vigil]

k im back!

So vicious cycle is just there to do its thing! I see!

@opal lodge why is second wave bad?

[opal lodge]

most of the time it just knocks things away from your followups

[balmy portal]

If you don't plan for it 😛

[undone anvil]

vicious cycle is dope if you have Ares call and save up for greater call

[balmy portal]

slam things into walls first

[still vigil]

oh!

[split orbit]

How good is smoldering air with zeus call?

[proven osprey]

amazing

[split orbit]

I have the choice of that or double strike (common)

[undone anvil]

I generally don't like smoldering air because I like using greater calls more

[proven osprey]

Smoldering air Zeus aid is popular combo

[undone anvil]

but it's still good and you should get it especially if you haven't had it before

[proven osprey]

which deals a ton of dmg

[balmy portal]

especially if you get +damage after calling

and/or +move/dodge

[split orbit]

Would it be better to double up on crit with nemesis by going with artemis or just go for high % atk like aphro and athena?

[unborn pebble]

I'm just gonna say

That I am pissed AF at the greatshields in Elysium.

They ruined my great plan 😦

[split orbit]

Oh greatshields know where they can put those shields

What was 5he plan?

[unborn pebble]

Super-bounce Phalanx Shot on Hera Bow.

Did you know that the Phalanx Shot, once you get Parting Shot, gets Auto-Blocked by them?

I didn't.

I learned that today

It might be an interaction between Athena's Phalanx Shot and it Auto-Backstabbing once you have Parting Shot (Athena-Aphro Duo) combined with Lightning Phalanx (Athena-Zeus Duo) for all I know

[turbid needle]

Auto-blocked?

[unborn pebble]

Your attacks, when hitting Greatshields from the front, get blocked.

Parting Shot makes all your Backstab bonus damage apply to your cast.

An interaction between Phalanx Shot (Athena Cast) and Parting Shot (her duo with Aphro) is that the cast always backstabs.

So what happened was this: I loaded my cast into the bow, I shot the Greatshield from behind, and the shot was blocked.

Well, now I'm not sure, but I know that at least the Cast got blocked.

[turbid needle]

That's cause the hitbox spawns inside the Greatshield and it overlaps their shields and gets blocked.

[unborn pebble]

So Hera Bow+Athena Cast means you should never hit Greatshields with a direct shot while your cast is loaded?

Fun.

Well, at least Artemis Cast doesn't have that issue.

Since it pierces/is unblockable.

[turbid needle]

It is unblockable, but the hitbox for it is also small enough that it won't intersect the shield.

[regal jewel]

Does zues shield with zerk boon good ?

anyone tried ?

[kindred trout]

Smoldering Air is really good with almost all the calls. I don't think most of the greater call effects do anything that's actually better than spamming the basic call every few seconds.

Smoldering Air with Poseidon's Aid is especially dumb.

[sand sparrow]

What's some fun weapons to use with Dionysius? He's a bit behind on the juice distribution schedule so I wanna use him a bit for the next few runs
Tried Chiron with his Special but I just felt like I wanted to play Aphrodite or Artemis instead, though his duo with Demeter is really fun

[opal lodge]

i like the achilles dio self cast build

[teal juniper]

how does rush delivery work exactly?

do you just get the total of your move speed bonuses as damage bonuses?

provided it's 100% bonus damage from move speed

[opal lodge]

yes

so if you have epic greater haste that is +40% to all damage all the time

[balmy portal]

and if you get +100% move speed for half a second after you dash....

Let's just say you like dash attacks a lot.

[opal lodge]

dang if only there were a boon for that

thatd be op

[balmy portal]

??

there is...

[opal lodge]

thats the joke

[balmy portal]

bah

You're weird, know that?

[opal lodge]

??

[bright flint]

does zeus/poseidon lightning have cooldown?

the duo i mean

[turbid needle]

.25 seconds, I think.

[unkempt pagoda]

i've heard that rip current is really good for room clearing though, and i've seen how great pos call is on eris so

[turbid needle]

Rip Current is nuts.

Poseidon's Aid already hits monster hard, so increasing the time on top of making you pull enemies in makes it usually the hardest-hitting Call.

[unkempt pagoda]

one day i'll get the ever elusive bruncle boon

[turbid needle]

These days I run so much Artemis and Zeus that I tend to keep my Call open for Sigil of the Dead.

Eris Aspect with Splitting Bolt is disgusting.

I think once I hit 25 Heat on every weapon on my Hell Mode file I'm gonna go back and get credits on my regular file and then do a few 32 Heat speedruns.

[unkempt pagoda]

it's so gross lol

[turbid needle]

Jerds said that nobody's even touched it since 1.0 so I can claim a very momentary crown.

Maybe do them on Hell Mode to really make sure nobody messes with them so my name stays there longer.

[unkempt pagoda]

the true play is trying to get smouldering air sigil working

[turbid needle]

I know it won't spawn if you're already carrying the Sigil.

But then you should be able to pick up the Duo, sell your Call, and take the Sigil.

[unkempt pagoda]

yeah you have to make big brain purge pool plays

[turbid needle]

Unless Pools simply won't spawn the Call, but that can't make sense.

Does it just never select a Call if you've got the Sigil in your pool?

[unkempt pagoda]

i don't know?

[turbid needle]

Not that Eris has trouble building Call anyway.

[unkempt pagoda]

your first mistake was thinking eris could have trouble 😛

[turbid needle]

I just take comfort in the fact that I'm a hipster and loved Eris and Rocket Bomb before both were buffed to arguably OP states.

[unkempt pagoda]

eris was fine at 60% but i'd be down for a reasonable 65%

[turbid needle]

I think I had a feedback post go like 1-30 saying that Rocket Bomb needed to get nerfed to 80 damage.

[unkempt pagoda]

rocket getting buffed to 100 was like. why?

[turbid needle]

And what happened before 1.0? RB was nerfed down from 100 to 80.

65 divides by 5 into 13?

Yes.

[unkempt pagoda]

13, a perfect number for strife herself

[turbid needle]

Amir, if you're reading this Onyx is right.

[unkempt pagoda]

amir imma need you to read this channel, right now

[dry ember]

usage buff/nerfs be like

[turbid needle]

I'm just pleased as punch about the thematic line-up with 13 and the Aspect of Eris.

[unkempt pagoda]

and it would be a reasonable nerf! all gameplay aspects win

(honestly i'm surprised eris has not been touched once since 1.0 released)

[river wing]

nerfing stuff post release in single player games is a touchy thing. not sure what sgg stance on such things are. esp since there have been no major patches yet.

[balmy portal]

I'd rather see generally lackluster stuff get buffed and higher levels of heat added, if needed

[woven delta]

I'm not sure if it's especially impressive, but I think I managed to hit over 1K per hit on Arthur aspect without any crits involved

[balmy portal]

per hit?

[turbid needle]

5x damage multiplier on your Attack is not nothing.

[balmy portal]

only the third hit is base 200 damage

[turbid needle]

Surely you're talking about the last hit.

[woven delta]

Admittedly I'm not sure if it's especially consistent since I'm usually not as focused on damage number poping up during combat, but I did see something over 1K show up a few times

[balmy portal]

probably the third strike 🙂

that's a lot of bonus damage

[woven delta]

Boons are Athena attack + Blinding Flash with Boiling Blood in the mirror

[turbid needle]

Ooh, Blinding Flash is bugged right now.

[woven delta]

Maybe I just think it's kind of impressive since I don't think you normally see numbers that high outside crit stuff?

[turbid needle]

Poms add 100% damage on top of the listed bonus.

[balmy portal]

lol ><

[woven delta]

I don't even have any extra levels on it either

[turbid needle]

So a level 3 Common is something like +280% Backstab instead of just +80%.

[woven delta]

Despite having the pom blossom keepssake either

[turbid needle]

Oh, well.

Arthur's 3rd hit is 200 base damage.

[opal lodge]

blinding flash should be patched soon

theyve known about it for like 2 weeks now

[woven delta]

Either way, not too bad for a run I'm only doing to get the last few things for Harsh Conditions

...wait I just remembered I also have a Chaos boon for backstab damage

That's probably involved a bit too

[turbid needle]

Ooh, that'll do it, too.

[royal helm]

Can you get lightning phalanx on Beowulf?

[dusky nimbus]

im sure u can get any cast boon or cast duo

its just idk if its good or not

[balmy portal]

it may have a new name

the book shows which ones go with beowulf, list it as a requirement

[plucky harbor]

does eris power up apply to special?

wanna do some boom boom rocket build

[dry ember]

yes it does

Rocket bomb cluster bomb/triple bomb is about the best hammer combination you can get on Eris

go ham

[cunning urchin]

eris was fine at 60% but i'd be down for a reasonable 65%
No, it wasn't. 60% is way too much.

Nemesis has 1.3x damage only on Attack, Zag bow has 1.2x damage only on Attack. Eris has 1.75x damage on everything.

1.6x isn't fine, either.

[opal lodge]

eris power up applies to literally everything

even flat dmg

[dry ember]

While I agree that Eris with 1.75x damage on everything seems too powerful, comparing just the multiplier isn't exactly fair. We don't know what the base DPS of the weapons are. For sake of argument, assuming Nemesis deals 100 DPS base, x1.3 is 130 damage; assuming Eris deals 50 DPS, even x2 is still 100.

You need to compare multipler x base damage

also crit weapons scales better with boons

[opal lodge]

i think if the multiplier were just for one part of the weapon it wouldnt be that overpowered

the fact that it scales your flat damage is just absolute insanity

[dry ember]

not completely disagreeing with you, just wanted to clear the reasoning.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Poseidon does 1.5x Cast damage. Eris does 1.75x Cast damage and 1.75x everything else.

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-what-question-mark-question-gif-10681242

[opal lodge]

i should really be running eris self cast builds now

[dry ember]

that's how I play Eris tbh

Curse of Drowning is suprisingly good

if you can get it

also was Tidal Dash buffed recently?

[cunning urchin]

No. It was nerfed in the test branch, but that didn't make it into the live build.

[opal lodge]

the pom scaling was nerfed i thought? or was that just test branch

[cunning urchin]

Test branch only.

[river wing]

Global scaling is too juicy

500 damage jolts

even stuff like support fire does a ton.

[opal lodge]

this is for a

uh

build

im doing

does anyone know if you can roll your first poseidon to sunken treasure

[cunning urchin]

Not if it's your very first boon at all, I think.

But it's t1, yes.

[opal lodge]

sad

i think the move is just to go for ocean's bounty then

[cunning urchin]

If you can roll into one, you can roll into the other. I just don't think you can roll into boons that aren't priority on your very first boon of a run.

m actually not sure, though.

[royal helm]

Pedantic, but I think nemesis is a 1.6 on attack... since you take 30% * +200%

[cunning urchin]

Oh right, it's 30% crit chance.

Deadly Strike is 15%. Mixed them up.

[opal lodge]

i got ocean's bounty

16:39 RTA five fish time dont @ me

[dry ember]

We doing RTA fishing runs now?

[opal lodge]

i think five fish has always been rta

[obtuse herald]

aaaah zeus or artemis using rail with dio attack so far

[dry ember]

Zeus, find Lightning Strike and replace that Dio Attack.

[opal lodge]

i think they could do artemis and go for some sort of scuffed splitting headache build

replacements are only 10% anyway

my strat for this was to get huge catch 2nd boon

[obtuse herald]

well i had heroic poison

[opal lodge]

with ocean's bounty and conch shell

[obtuse herald]

so its 8/stack

[opal lodge]

but huge catch didnt do as much as i thought it would

[plucky harbor]

what's considered as standard keepsakes?

[finite socket]

On Tartarus/Asphodel it depends on what boons you want for the build

So any of the god keepsakes

[cunning urchin]

god > god > acorn/coin purse/hourglass > acorn

god > god/sigil > sigil > sigil is very common for speedruns.

[river wing]

I used hourglass alot when i just started. being able to buy the well before swaping is great.

[deep topaz]

I still keep switching back to Hypnos' purse at the beginning of each run, it's probably less effective than I give it credit for but I like starting off quite stacked

[river wing]

if you get lucky with gods in tartarus. you can do coin in second stage too. nothing's set in stone. just gotta think of what'll benefit you the most in your situation

[plucky harbor]

Uh, sorry a bit of a misunderstanding here. I just want to know which is standard keepsakes for achievement

[river wing]

all of them

[plucky harbor]

Ah ok

[calm bluff]

tbh i just want poseidon to give me the fishing legendary in tartarus

that's my dream build

[wanton hound]

is golden touch really worth it? it feels like you'd have to hoard your gold to make use of it

and region are the main areas, so ||tartarus, asphodel and elysium, you'd only get 3 boosts depending on how much you hoard?||

[cosmic hornet]

i used gold touch for a good while to farm bloods

and you can probably spend all of it in ||final shop||

skipping shops aren't usually that big of a downside since you have the other option

but i do think that generally the starting 100 gives you better benefit, especially for ||approval process||

[river wing]

yea. even for convenience fees. it's good to have enough gold for first shop

[olive spruce]

I had the most amazing achilles spear cast build earlier today

hunting blades, engulfing vortex, black metal, vicious cycle, and parting shot

didn't even lose a DD on EM4

it was glorious

[sullen valley]

Wait a minute. How does Hunting Blades work on Hera?

oh, wait, it'd just spawn a Rift on the first-hit foe that follows them, huh?

[ornate remnant]

does parting shot work with beowulf aspect

[weak garnet]

Is there a guide for the best gods to Start keepsakes with each aspect?

I know I’m not clear, sorry for sure

[finite socket]

It just really depends on the weapon you want to run

And the build you want

[half crater]

parting shot requires you to backstab enemies with your cast, so no it doesn’t do anything on beowulf

[cosmic hornet]

...i always thought parting shot makes your cast always backstab, damn

[half crater]

it’s actually supposed to not appear when you have beo equipped, but there was a bug that made it appear anyway and idk if they’ve fixed it yet

it does not, sadly, although i thought that too for a while

the wording isn’t super clear

[river wing]

it works on beo. im pretty sure

except for what ohokwy said, not suppose to appear, but it does.

at least i think it does work. too many things on screen it's a little hard to tell sometimes

[half crater]

beo can’t backstab tho

[river wing]

when the flare appers behind, isn't a backstab?

[half crater]

is it?

it’s honestly been a while since i’ve had parting shot on beo, but i’d be kinda surprised if it was

i assumed that’s why they’re patching it out

either way i don’t recall noticing much of a difference when i took it

and +85% ought to be noticeable, even if it’s only when stuff lines up right

i might do some testing at some point

[river wing]

hmm. im pretty sure it works. but not 100% certain

[half crater]

you should see “backstab” text if it works

ig i’m not 100% either

[river wing]

😐 i got to styx with 3 dd on arthur 32. got 5 sacked and ran out of time. lol

[half crater]

ouch

[river wing]

game pls

XD

[half crater]

that happened to me last night with nemesis

5sack is not kind to TD3

[river wing]

i was only running td2

but my build wasn't that strong. and im not the fastest player esp with arthur

[half crater]

that’s fair

arthur is a much slower weapon than nem anyway

[ornate remnant]

i thought it wouldnt show up if i couldnt use it

but i just took it and held it to sell

[cosmic hornet]

if i'm running a zeus cast achilles do i run stygian or infernal?
i imagine infernal and take something good for attack, right?

[olive spruce]

both are good

if you run stygian then you don't have to run around and get them

but you'd want extra casts from chaos

[cosmic hornet]

i'm weighing which cast i should use for the spear 32
ares feels really good if it goes off but... game hasn't been kind with boons for me

[olive spruce]

demeter?

seems easier to set up

[cosmic hornet]

both needs arthe badly

i'm also considering dio

since it could run with either zeus or demeter (or both)

and doesn't feel bad even if i don't get the duo

[olive spruce]

could also try for blizzard shot

[cosmic hornet]

oh yeah if i can get the demeter on attack it would be great too

or.. phalanx and hope for the zeus duo? how good/bad is that?

since that means i could run athena and hope for extra defiance

honestly one of the reason i'm kind of reluctant picking the duo boon reliant casts is that if i don't get both at tartarus i might not be able to pick athena in asphodel

[cunning urchin]

Infernal Soul for Electric Shot.

Best to just do some runs at 32 and try out different things.

[cosmic hornet]

yeah
guess imma start with zeus cast

[bright fossil]

@rare kayak wait so which boon is best for Chaos aspect again?

[balmy portal]

if beo can't backstab, I'd expect dio cast, etc. to not be able to either

which may be how things work

[dry remnant]

any good builds for chiron aspect bow?

[cosmic hornet]

i like artemis special, aphro attack, hoping for duo boon

[mellow quest]

heartbreak strike, drunken flourish or deadly flourish

special mention for Frost Flourish which isn't nearly as strong but it's a fine alternative if you're playing without TD3

[wanton hound]

what are some good things to go for with ||lucifer?||

[mellow quest]

still lightning strike deadly flourish

[pliant anvil]

or divine flourish for the deflecting orbs

[sullen valley]

P||ersephone|| keepsake + Heartbreak Flourish is pretty good with L.

Then again I also had the Hammer that allowed you to rapid-burst the bombs. That helped pretty well anyways

[simple badge]

What are good boons for the rama bow?

[dry ember]

Deadly Strike

Hunter Dash

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Strike are both really good.

I'd just start with the Owl Pendant for Divine Dash and pick up either one along the way.

Drunken Flourish and Thunder Flourish will help tear through DC hearts if you have that on and add a lot of good damage either way.

[sand sparrow]

Is there a way to control where Meg is going to drone strike or do I just have to hope it goes in the angle I want?

[dry ember]

yes, the angle is perpendicular to where you have your analog stick point at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8

Here is a very in depth guide if you want to really understand it.

Otherwise, the rule of thumb is above.

[sand sparrow]

Thanks for the tip, I'll try it out
I'll watch the guide, too, dang, 13 minutes

[dry ember]

the first 3 mins is the basics

the rest is niche scenarios like mini/boss fights

[warm stag]

Question. I have boons from Athena, Artemis, Demeter, Dionysus, and Hermes. The Family Favorite perk is only showing a 20% buff, not 25%. Does Demeter not count as an Olympian for the purposes of Family Favorite?

[opal lodge]

it should be 25%

could be an

[turbid needle]

what's a good build for demeter fists?

[opal lodge]

either start ares attack and aim for merciful end

or start zeus attack and then go for artemis special

first one you ideally want ares attack, divine flourish, divine dash/merciful end/impending doom

second one just zeus attack artemis special and whatever other zeus boons you can find

[sullen valley]

Heightened Security and Abyssal Chaos (Traps deal more damage) is basically just "Traps instantly kill you," huh?

[opal lodge]

haha yep

[unique lichen]

what are people thoughts on persuasion vs authority? been using authority lately to get mini boss boons from gods i like and give me a bit more control over what i find from the satyrs as well as the fact it is cheaper to upgrade but persuasion is so nice sometimes even though it is tragic others

[rare kindle]

I like fated persuasion because it’s not like authority changes room type, while persuasion lets me fish for duos and legendaries

Plus you still have god keepsakes to shape the build

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, and Curse of Agony are all great. You'll want Divine Dash or Hunter Dash. Divine Flourish if you want to build for Merciful End, and otherwise, Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are both great for damage.

Call is always worth picking up because it builds God Gauge very fast.

[sullen valley]

Don't forget Demeter Special, also worthwhile for the damage.

[cunning urchin]

Cast I don't really care about too much except Phalanx Shot supplements melee amazingly well. You can just throw it out and dash after it to engage any group of enemies safely.

[cunning urchin]

The damage from Frost Flourish is pretty poor.

[midnight pendant]

Does the damage from shared suffering increase with your special for aspect of rama?

[cunning urchin]

Shared Suffering has no effect on Special.

[midnight pendant]

Ty

[opal lodge]

nyaanyaa have you tried fresh file

seems like your kinda thing

[graceful bough]

I chose a boon that's supposed to slowly regain my health, except it's not doing that.

I gave up death defiance for it, and it's not working.

[rare kindle]

I think it only regenerates in the middle of combat

[graceful bough]

Yeah it didn't do that.

[turbid needle]

You have no death defiances left?

[sullen valley]

I thought Demeter's attack %s were one of the "big 3" damagers?

[graceful bough]

The boon literally didn't work.

My death defiance just activated.

It was supposed to replace my death defiance.

[sullen valley]

Also what's stronger raw, Dio Cast or Aphro Cast

[clever laurel]

It's only supposed to do it when you have NO death defiance

[graceful bough]

That was very not made clear from the wording, which I read several times.

but it appears to be the case

[opal lodge]

dio cast is stronger raw dng wise

[clever laurel]

It's very clear

[sullen valley]

It did specify it restores your HP slowly when you have no DD's

[clever laurel]

Yep

Its godly with stubborn defiance

And I use that so I love that duo

[sullen valley]

Huh. Curious.

Now if only I can actually get a duo that I want.

[graceful bough]

The wording indicates it, but could easily be misinterpreted.

[opal lodge]

idk

there are many bad tooltips

i dont think stubborn roots is one of them

[graceful bough]

Could easily misconstrue it as, "You have no death defiance, but ____"

As I did.

"Due to the very specific wording, you were misled, but it's not the wording's fault."

[sullen valley]

"While you have no Death Defiance..."