yea. hermes is tricky, gotta get the requiment in addition to lucking the legendary
#h1-builds-and-combat
river wing
ripe glade
yeah.. :D.. got my fastest run today as well.. 15 mins.. :D.. quite proud of it 😄
opal lodge
you don't have god's legacy?
river wing
you did take the increase duo/legendary mirror right?
ripe glade
yeah
opal lodge
to bypass requirements you can always just use the lambent plume
that way it always has that base 11-12% chance of appearing
ripe glade
actuaclly have that equiped now
river wing
and also fated persuasion
ripe glade
fated is on
ok.. feeling lucky this run 😄
I'll use my fated only on Hermes to chance my luck
river wing
oh right. plume bypasses for cast boon too, keep forgetting about it
i only remember it for rush delivery, cause that is related to speed
icy kernel
this game has a gun isn't that weird
ripe glade
and it's so overpowered too.. the last aspect is just a room clearer.. I put chill on the special.. and just watch the room clear without using much else
great for high heats
is it the Lucifer aspect?.. can't remember the names.. only been playing since the steam release
OMG.. I got one of them.. the plume worked.. and in a Erebus room..
had to use a fated pers as well
obtuse herald
question delta chamber or ricochet fire on rail w/ poison attack and rocket crit special
https://prnt.sc/vl8l9h no aspect yet
untold iris
do you already have the rocket hammer?
obtuse herald
yeah
untold iris
take cluster bomb
obtuse herald
i thought it replaced it
untold iris
cluster rockets is the most op build on rail
untold iris
it shoots 5 rockets that all deal -30% damage
if you stand next to an enemy and fire
obtuse herald
jesus christ
untold iris
they get hit with all 5 rockets and take a billion damage
woven delta
It's a rocket shotgun
obtuse herald
and i got 110% special damage with crit already
obtuse herald
this run is blessed
devout ether
The downside of cluster rockets is that now that you have experienced it nothing else compares
icy kernel
Wait you have CRIT CLUSTER ROCKETS?
obtuse herald
yes
icy kernel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26HsSzFX_ok&ab_channel=TinyTim-Topic just put this on and have some fun
stark ore
Still yet to get cluster rockets 
obtuse herald
stark ore
Feelsbad but you can swap it later
icy kernel
Honestly? Just have fun. That's all I got to say.
icy kernel
Cluster Rockets are the most fun build in the game IMO.
obtuse herald
its a blast
stark ore
I wanna get Cluster Rockets so bad but the hammers always mess me up
obtuse herald
i wish i had Poseidon knockback instead of charm
but cant complain
not sure what the best cast is tbf
untold iris
well at this point you ideally want to look for more artemis or aphrodite boons
stark ore
Your special IS the cast
untold iris
the strongest boon for you right now is heart rend
stark ore
Oh my god Heart Rend Cluster Rockets
untold iris
dash in to melee range, hit them with cast, then blast them with rockets
obtuse herald
yeah
ill stack posion and charm for the bonus then boom
it crits for 800/rocket
artemis/aphro duo or aphro cast?
untold iris
artemis aphro duo is one of the best duos in the game
untold iris
oh
obtuse herald
yeah unlucky
untold iris
that one is not super good but you can take it if you want
untold iris
oh you have aphro call?
obtuse herald
ye
untold iris
sure grab a call
your build should be good enough to beat the game already tbh so just take whatever feels most powerful to you
obtuse herald
im wiping floors in half a second
untold iris
even if you grab something that is slightly suboptimal it shouldn't matter
icy kernel
like
you have cluster rockets
basically nothing you do could make you lose lol
obtuse herald
dont give me that much faith
icy kernel
okay, so I mean don't do anything obviously silly
obtuse herald
idek what keepsake to take
untold iris
the tryhard choice is to just take the tooth then
icy kernel
yeah
Though TBH Distant Memory is pretty solid in this situation
untold iris
distant memory is useless
icy kernel
Since the rockets don't have any limit on travel distance
obtuse herald
i mean i killed thesus is 10 seconds
untold iris
if you get more nectar you should focus on giving one to eurydice for the acorn
and the rest of the gods for their god keepsakes
you shouldnt have much trouble with the last boss
but he does have a lot of hp
so if you're bad at dodging the tooth gives you some extra insurance
rare kindle
I like Patroclus keepsake for the poison in Styx
But I tend to favor eurydice’s because 5 hits is a lot of damage
obtuse herald
so i've been putting my thumb over all 4 buttons and kinda just mashing, and its working.
rare kindle
I tend to forget about casts
obtuse herald
well i have weak on cast and i have hangover on attack so i want that extra 40
can you get multiple duo boons
or only one?
rare kindle
But I did get a recent run in which I got ares in like the first room and I didn’t think doom was that good on my weapon so I went for the blade rift cast
And RNG gave me Artemis shortly after so possible hunting blades
Yeah, you can get multiple duo boons
woven delta
Though some of the can be incompatible with each other
obtuse herald
well i got the crit rate increase with poison stacks
woven delta
Main example that comes to mind being that Hunting Blades is mutually exclusive with the Ares-Demeter one
jovial harness
i wish the duo boons would warn you which ones cancel each other out
its funny that excalibur gives you more life, and guan yu gives you less max life
yet excalibur would probably be better than guan yu even if neither one changed your max life~~~
i guess that sword is supposed to be not great for high heat, but im pretty sure the spear isnt either
sweet fossil
untold iris
guan yu would be better than excalibur without the hp penalty
guan yu special is very good
and being ranged is just naturally better at higher heats because of the safety it provides
ripe glade
I'm not sure.. but from experience.. I find it, that you get the builds you chase with the max heat levels of your specific weapon, easier to get... the game seems to favour you when you try to run for boons when you have the max heat on..... when I run lower heats below my actual weapons heats... the builds seem to be more.. erm.. weaker, of sorts..
cunning urchin
Nah, the game doesn't do anything like that.
cunning ibex
so i'm running Hestia and can only pick one thing per choice list due to my pacts
i get zeus and have one reroll.
I got attack...both times
Hestia with zeus attack time...
silk hearth
taking AP2 is not the best idea
cunning ibex
i don't like TD okay
cunning ibex
i have three of the four maxed
river wing
Do you have FO/RI? :O
cunning ibex
fat guys
river wing
Ahh
opal lodge
AP2 really really sucks lol
cunning ibex
AP2 is fiine
river wing
AP really depends how build demanding the aspect/heat you're running is.
32 hestia is fine imo. even with ap2
just need a decent strike and you're set. you got zues tho... D:
cunning ibex
Nvm giving up
had two terrible elysium rooms back to back and lost all my DD
two small rooms with shield crystals and a lot of splitters back to back
tomorrow ill try again and adjust my pacts a bit. i was doing pretty good up until i got beat up by witches
mossy badge
if i have a duo boon on a cast like Demeter tracking boon
what happens if i swap my cast to another one?
obtuse herald
if you can't activate the boon then it's still there just kinda useless
but lets say you have lightning rod and change your cast it'll still work since you dont need the zeus cast
silk hearth
oh
so theres no point in attacking more than once?
thats quite a interesting playstyle
proven osprey
yeah
silk hearth
ahh i have no more titan blood
ill play some arthur first
is artemis fine on arthur?
proven osprey
yeah it's good
silk hearth
nice thanks
proven osprey
dash strike hammer makes it a lot better
you can also move/dash in between hits
you have to get used to it but it's not as clunky as it seems
you can also predict ennemies spawn to greet them with a big swing
opal lodge
theres also this secret arthur tech
where you can start your attack and then dash attack
silk hearth
compared to using guan yu dash attack it feels so sloow
opal lodge
and two attacks will come out
proven osprey
ah
opal lodge
very cool but very niche
proven osprey
so you read that conversation
opal lodge
seems like you can do it on nem sword too but it is a very recent phenomenon
yeah i did lol
proven osprey
I have to test it on GY tho
even though attack build is not exactly the safest thing
primal hazel
Huh and I thought I've been spamming attack after dash fast
Guess I gotta up my game
wanton hound
I've gotten a few clears at this point, but I'm starting to get frustrated with the progression, it feels like it isn't really ramping up to match the higher costs of things
At least not in a super impactful way
primal hazel
Theres prophecies
wanton hound
Is there a way to ensure that I get a ton of darkness/gems each run?
primal hazel
Also that
turbid needle
You simply do a run that's below the bounty heat level
proven osprey
If your goal is to farm darkness, just clear without bounties
turbid needle
You'll get darkness instead of Titan Blood, Diamonds, Ambrosia
primal hazel
Is there a way to ensure that I get a ton of darkness/gems each run?
Darker thirst, A boon from poseidon, a boon from chaos
wanton hound
I already have the %20 gems per wep and use whatever one has the bonus every time
wanton hound
Ah, that makes sense
turbid needle
Legit
primal hazel
You'll get darkness with time
proven osprey
Just pick your favorite aspect, clear its bounties and you're set
primal hazel
To get all bounties you need to complete like 126 runs either way
So you'll pick up enough
wanton hound
dont even get me started on aspects, im so overwhelmed lmao
primal hazel
Take your time
Do runs
wanton hound
I wish you could preview them, i'm not even sure which ones i'd like, and i have to dump rare titans blood into them
proven osprey
you can upgrade, do a run then give up
primal hazel
You can unlock an aspect and go on a run
As long as you don't leave to court you won't have spent anything
undone anvil
titan blood is arguably the least rare since ||you get two per run provided you clear||
undone anvil
that too
proven osprey
Still took me 200 hours to unlock everything lol
wanton hound
oh, that's another thing
proven osprey
but I did a lot of bounty less runs tho
wanton hound
how exactly do you get the gold to afford the most expensive final shop thing?
proven osprey
and don't spend
wanton hound
primal hazel
I take maybe 4 centaur hearts max if given the choice
proven osprey
you could clear all tunnels too
primal hazel
And otherwise money rooms
wanton hound
i need to git gud before i can start taking money rooms over other things
primal hazel
Also chaos and poseidon have boons that give more money
proven osprey
you can go golden touch although it's not necessary to get the final item
river wing
https://streamable.com/kxo7w5 feels bad man
primal hazel
I take a lot of shops and still get to 1.2 k at final shop
Deep pockets and purse way better
proven osprey
@river wing lmao
wanton hound
jeez, i assume you're endgame and have everything unlocked
proven osprey
yeah you're talking to deities right there
primal hazel
Most lol
wanton hound
because i can maybe, possibly afford the 500 boon if i'm frugal on the way there
primal hazel
https://streamable.com/kxo7w5 feels bad man
That hurt man
wanton hound
i assume the rest of the money comes in with more upgrades
proven osprey
there's a secret
wanton hound
do you smash all the gold pots?
proven osprey
Beat the sh*t out of Charon
primal hazel
Obvs not if ik trying to beat time
river wing
15 gold pots do add up
primal hazel
It's not I'm the gold pots
They're just the cherry on top
proven osprey
mid shops only
turbid needle
The greater the risk tho
proven osprey
The earlier you face him the more benefit
hmm...
primal hazel
And you can restore the lost DD's any way
wanton hound
really? do i just have to smack him a bunch to piss him off?
primal hazel
No "borrow" his money
turbid needle
There's a suspicious looking money bag that can appear at random
undone anvil
it doesn't appear every time
proven osprey
it's not suspicious come on
wanton hound
never seen that
primal hazel
The greater the risk tho
Even if you're bad and lose 3 DD in apshodel you have more than enough time to restore them
proven osprey
it's free real estate
primal hazel
It's literally free real estate
turbid needle
How the heck do you reply in Discord
primal hazel
Well maybe less so on really high heats
proven osprey
I think there's been an update
turbid needle
On high heat you are asking to die to the timer lmao
primal hazel
Sacrifice your firstborn
proven osprey
the reply system is amazing now
proven osprey
Sacrifice your firstborn
just like that
primal hazel
On high heat you are asking to die to the timer lmao
Exactly that
turbid needle
brb
primal hazel
TD3 charon to brrrrr
wanton hound
Even if you're bad and lose 3 DD in apshodel you have more than enough time to r...
through charon wells?
olive spruce
How the heck do you reply in Discord
there's a reply button in the menu at the right
olive spruce
through charon wells?
Patty
proven osprey
but I quite prefer the previous one
primal hazel
Charon wells athena boon, patrocleus
turbid needle
I didn't have my Discord updated
proven osprey
when you got to actually @ the person
turbid needle
That's why I couldn't see it
wanton hound
but patroclus isn't always available i thought?
undone anvil
yeah
olive spruce
but patroclus isn't always available i thought?
correct
primal hazel
No but you'll get enough wells
wanton hound
wish i'd see him more often, i almost always need the DD refresh
primal hazel
And athena has multiple boons that restore DD's
olive spruce
only two
olive spruce
which means you can get a maximum of 2 DDs from her
undone anvil
I also wish I got Patroclus more often but for story reasons lol
turbid needle
Even if you're bad and lose 3 DD in apshodel you have more than enough time to r...
Assuming they don't straight up die. Charon still kinda slaps, and as a newer player, you could easily get spooked/lack damage
proven osprey
but if we're talking about farming gold, losing them is just an added cost lol
SD gamers rise up
undone anvil
3 at least afaik
Athena has one boon that makes you impervious for longer and one that restores more HP with DD, what else is there?
proven osprey
Athena has one boon that makes you impervious for longer and one that restores m...
that's it
turbid needle
You can also get any ammount from Chaos, altho more than 1 is a pipe dream
wanton hound
im gonna try to unlock the secret of getting hella gold next time
proven osprey
noob stone
proven osprey
sure "buddy"
proven osprey
if that's alright for you ofc
primal hazel
Not funny
Didn't laugh
undone anvil
also Skelly's keepsake helps out in a pinch, it was my go-to as I was getting more comfortable with bosses
turbid needle
For skelly tooth, it's technically more, since there is overkill damage that gets absorbed when the revive occurs, technically
But Accorn is still prefered in most cases
turbid needle
Or Bracer/Broken Spearpoint
primal hazel
Which is usually way more in 5
undone anvil
it was more like a mental thing for me tbh because I would panic after losing DD on the last boss especially
turbid needle
EM4 Hades Gorgon casually taking all charges away
wanton hound
i have no idea how i cleared with my first try on the bow
no heat, so nothing crazy
primal hazel
Still more dmg blocked
wanton hound
but very uncomfortable weapon
undone anvil
so having 4 DD was like "oh good I have loads of health"
primal hazel
Also chaos legendary gives you a DD
But that's like wishing for a miracle xDD
wanton hound
i also ruined my damage with the hera bow because i took ares cast like an idiot
my logic was "maybe it'll stick to him with the vortex, and he'll run round with it" 
undone anvil
I don't think I'm ever getting to EM4, tried EM3 once for the achievement and barely made it lol
primal hazel
All EM except EM4 are easier then normal imo
olive spruce
EM4 is pretty fun
very hard though
I thought I had gotten the hang of it but I lost a run today to EM4
wanton hound
what does EM mean?
olive spruce
extreme measures
undone anvil
EM1 is easy, EM2 I only struggle with the lava, EM3 was hell but I could get better at it if I tried some more, EM4 I haven't tried yet
turbid needle
Pact of Punishment modifier that alters boss movesets among other things
wanton hound
ah
olive spruce
I'm slowly climbing heat levels and I think I prefer EM4 to taking 4 heat some other way
but it is challenging
primal hazel
MM and BP are fun
olive spruce
I have tried MM
wanton hound
i was wondering about heat, should i only go up 1 at a time? how does that affect the 1 time rewards?
olive spruce
you get them at every heat until 20
turbid needle
^
primal hazel
Personal preference
wanton hound
if i go up more than one, will it give multiple?
undone anvil
no
olive spruce
no
primal hazel
No
wanton hound
darn
turbid needle
Once, for the level it required
undone anvil
exceeding heat meter doesn't provide anything
primal hazel
Going up slowly helps with getting used to the game
olive spruce
I haven't tried benefits package yet
turbid needle
It can still be a good idea to jump at intervals of 2 or 3 heats to try pact modifiers out
undone anvil
benefits is pretty fun imo
primal hazel
Makes you adapt and is fun
olive spruce
I worry that it would make the final boss super hard
turbid needle
Benefits Package shouldn't affect the final boss battle
primal hazel
MM makes EM4 harder ofc
olive spruce
oh interesting
primal hazel
BP doesn't tho
olive spruce
I have done MM+EM4
turbid needle
Wait EM4 without MM is different
olive spruce
the run I lost today was with the spear at 14 heat
undone anvil
I still haven't seen one of the benefits according to the fated list
olive spruce
serves me right for taking deadly flourish
I even had exploding launcher + epic swift flourish from hermes
turbid needle
That actually sounds like a good setup
turbid needle
EM4 is a very, very hard fight to learn
olive spruce
I mean I think I largely have the hang of it, but I don't understand dashing i-frames as well as I should
so the spear throw and second spin attack always get me
I even had divine dash
turbid needle
Yeahhhh that's one of the patterns that takes a while to get used to
olive spruce
I think next time I'll try for heartbreak flourish
turbid needle
Especially if you played mostly with non-EM4, which should be most if not all people
olive spruce
because that just deals more damage consistently
e.g. if it deals 50% more damage then two hits are equivalent to a crit on heartbreak flourish
or something like that
I had a heroic heartbreak flourish once with +297% damage
that was a great run
with vicious skewer and heart rend
primal hazel
Nah
turbid needle
So uhm, crits are multiplicative, not additive
primal hazel
Artemis with heart rend on special should be more
olive spruce
I didn't get heart rend this run
primal hazel
Crit bets applied after all the other percents are counted together
void fjord
which spear?
primal hazel
So it's not 3x base damage but 3x overall damage
olive spruce
zagreus spear
turbid needle
14 heat he said earlier
void fjord
huh?
turbid needle
Likely still grinding
void fjord
what does it do?
olive spruce
eh, I like zagreus spear
void fjord
i have played so many spear runs and i have never tried it
primal hazel
Didn't say anything against that
void fjord
lul
primal hazel
You'll likely get more damage out of hades spear
void fjord
what does it do anyways?
turbid needle
Makes your special deal a bit more damage and increases the range a bit, for Zag spear, IIRC
olive spruce
25% special speed,range,damage
void fjord
hmmm
olive spruce
I mean if I were going for max damage I would try achilles spear + hunting blades or something like that
primal hazel
Hades gives you special +150%
void fjord
if ur really gonna go for a special run, then GY is better (if you have it obviously)
olive spruce
I do have GY, but I can't get over the health penalty
primal hazel
Then try hades
olive spruce
I did get explosive launcher with zag spear
it's only 150% on people that you hit with the spin attack, right?
void fjord
GY essentially lets you get two other special hammers without needing to get explosive
primal hazel
Yup but you can dash out of spin to retain I frames
And it has big range
Basically you get 125% more than zag
Just for hitting with spin
Regardless of charge
Also on attack and dash strike
primal hazel
I play with BP2 always
void fjord
at point staying in spot is a terrible idea
olive spruce
I get hit too often for GY to make sense for me
void fjord
ahh
olive spruce
not that it's a bad weapon, I'm just not good enough
primal hazel
Wow
void fjord
now if you have quick spin
primal hazel
Sane with bow lol
void fjord
everything is solved
primal hazel
Even without quick spin
turbid needle
You don't need to fully charge the spin for it to be worth, IMO.
primal hazel
You don't need to charge to max level
I mostly lv 1 spin
Bc less vulnerability
The dash midigates the small range loss
Also spin goes through obstacles
void fjord
well with the bow its pretty fast to charge, and perfect shot does decent dmg. only rama does it take time
primal hazel
And you get the same benefit from lv1 charge
void fjord
at that point you get swift strike from hermes and problem solved
primal hazel
Idk why your so obsessed with full charge
turbid needle
Doesn't Swift Strike not work with dash-attacks on bow ?
primal hazel
You don't have to completely charge everything
primal hazel
I'd rather have less vulnerability and more dps
Maybe that's your problem
Only full charge when you have the opportunity
primal hazel
Nah
primal hazel
Chiron? Not necessary
Hera? Not necessary
Rama? Either special build or enough dmg without perfect shot
primal hazel
With zag bow that's different ofc
void fjord
just do a melee build on rama lol
primal hazel
Have you tried thunder flourish on rama?
void fjord
yes
olive spruce
is that good because of the shared suffering damage with jolted?
primal hazel
Oh yeah sry
Forgot
You were the "Ehm I have tried a lot of builds guy"
Shared suffering doesn't apply to itself
primal hazel
It's good because the special fires like a machine and bounces
primal hazel
Attack is better
Special still works
void fjord
my all time fav build on rama is aphro attack with dio special with explosive shot and twin shot
void fjord
you cant really charge your bow here (too slow) but the dmg output is crazy
primal hazel
And special spreads weak well
Also deletes armor ik
That's my main build for rama
Just arti attack, aphro special
void fjord
yee
primal hazel
Faith restored
primal hazel
I like the idea of zeus throwing lightning down if you use flourish
And the cooldown being because he can't throw faster
wanton hound
are there any boons/gods that i should strictly avoid with certain weapons/builds?
wanton hound
i learned my lesson after taking the chaos boon that hurts you per attack on malphon
proven osprey
there are anti synergy tho
wanton hound
didnt read that one correctly
proven osprey
e.g the hammer spread fire on hestia
wanton hound
i did hera bow with ares cast on my last run, that one really sucked
proven osprey
yeah that one too
wanton hound
i wish it had the interaction i thought it would
i was hoping the ares cast would stick to whatever i shot it at, and stay on them for the full duration
that would be neat if it did
wanton hound
i've never really liked his little puddles, i assume ares is good for doom only?
proven osprey
You can make anything more at low heat including ares blade rifts
but yeah he is popular for doom
especially Merciful End, his duo with Lady Athena
which is an incredible dps
proven osprey
It depends
some builds revolve around it really
and one duo is easy to get until 40 heat
You just have to get the requirements
oh and mirror maxed to be fair
wanton hound
yeah, still working on that one
proven osprey
it really helps
wanton hound
thanks for answering my questions
sly arch
what should i be aiming for on achilles aspect spear?
sly arch
Have aphrodite's attack, athena's dash and dio's cast right now, will swap to zeus cast if i get the chance tho
proven osprey
dio's cast is really good too
proven osprey
yeah it's good
with Artemis attack, even Zeus
I watched some speedruns, it worked out pretty well
sly arch
Im on no heat or whatever you call pre beating daddy run
so uh, I just need something that works
proven osprey
yeah anything can work
sly arch
Hence why i took heartbreak strike because honestly the special on this isnt really for damage
proven osprey
exactly
sly arch
Good stuff
proven osprey
so you basically rush, triple cast, watch the world burn/flood/getting zapped or drunk and repeat
gray shore
I used to try to build Achilles through its attack and
let's just say it's totally meh compared to cast builds
wanton hound
for the bow, with the artemis boon that shoots arrows for every attack/cast, does it fire an arrow for every projectile of your special?
or only 1 per special
sly arch
divine dash is really nice
river wing
one for each arrow
wanton hound
oh wow
river wing
it's neat on chiron
proven osprey
sly arch
Hmm, hermes why you no give me the dodge boon
sly arch
Greater haste is good right?
proven osprey
I get what you did there
sly arch
other options are side hustle and swift strike
sly arch
yeah its nice
proven osprey
but on cast builds you're looking for cast boons ofc
gray shore
Greater haste can open up rush delivery
which is insane damage with high rarities
but, probably not the best hermes of all time
sly arch
Well, its what i've got to pick from so greater haste it is
gray shore
side hustle would be my pick as well
assuming it isn't act 4
act 4 epic side hustle is a total bait and is negative value
wanton hound
oh, i'd like some help with the heat mechanics
proven osprey
heat actually means fun
wanton hound
are there any specific punishments that are more forgiving for someone learning?
wanton hound
for my first heat run i chose the instance of damage shield and that seemed pretty beginner friendly
sly arch
Is ares' call good?
proven osprey
Avoid : AP, HS, RI at all cost
sly arch
So curse of pain or battle rage it is then
proven osprey
battle rage can be good but meaningless for cast
sly arch
special inflicting doom seems decent i think
proven osprey
yeah if doom is a nice addition
you don't have to build for it, it's another source of dmg
I like to have it on GY attack, while I build for special
wanton hound
are calls also better with certain builds? i've just been choosing at random when i get them
frank dew
they are
proven osprey
It becomes decent if you build into it of course
frank dew
some more so than others
frank dew
Zeus for example gains alot from being built towards as does dio
but you really dont need to invest in them
proven osprey
Vanilla Ares is a worse Athena
frank dew
and i would suggest never relying on them completely
if your build happens to support a call than great if not its not a big deal
restive cove
Are any tier list of boons Out there?
frank dew
its very subjective
sullen valley
Huh. That's unusual.
Theseus called upon Dionysus to attack me, but Charon is offering me two Dionysus boons.
proven osprey
it will depend on builds
sullen valley
What, did he feel bad for me...or proud that I destroyed Theseus before he got to attack?
gray shore
Also I'd say heat levels can really influence which gods become more or less desirable
frank dew
well more so what heat modifiers you take
gray shore
^ that is more precise yes
but Nourished Soul and Strong drink can be really great boons for no LC
but they become total deadweight options
proven osprey
What, did he feel bad for me...or proud that I destroyed Theseus before he got t...
You got them afterwards ?
gray shore
throw in some AP2 as well and
sullen valley
Yep
proven osprey
well it's fine them I suppose
gray shore
you've got some real potential for some gods to just be way more stable to build towards
than others
sullen valley
You'd think that any god Theseus would summon would be a god that would be guaranteed to not show, or a god that you hadn't locked in at least.
silk hearth
artemis is good with most aspects
frank dew
artemis is just good in general really
gray shore
I still challenge you to name one
frank dew
theres very little downside to her
wanton hound
is athena supposed to be rare?
gray shore
aspect that Arty isn't good with
gray shore
is athena supposed to be rare?
all 8 normal gods appear equally randomly
frank dew
none of them are more rare than the others
wanton hound
i see
silk hearth
i dont mean pressure points
gray shore
Hermes is guaranteed
silk hearth
i mean core boons
gray shore
Again, which aspects don't like Arty on one of the prio slots?
wanton hound
i've seen athena in my first 2-3 runs, never since
proven osprey
You'd think that any god Theseus would summon would be a god that would be guara...
Nah, Theseus gain aid from a god that has not offered you a boon yet
wanton hound
and i've done maybe 20-30 by now
frank dew
you cant discount the majority of the boons available
sullen valley
Hm. Fair.
gray shore
i've seen athena in my first 2-3 runs, never since
Runs without forced gods show you 4 different gods
silk hearth
was thinking about eris, but its just the attack and dash u dont want
special is fine
gray shore
and then stops showing you more
20-30 runs is nothing for not seeing a particular god
frank dew
and you can force 3 if you are lucky or avoid taking the 2nd etc
gray shore
if you're not keepsaking like a maniac
wanton hound
so its impossible to get more than 4?
frank dew
no
proven osprey
it is possible
silk hearth
so chances of u not seeing one in 20-30 runs is low
frank dew
for example say i have 4 gods after asphodel
and i take a keepsake from one i dont have yet it will remove one of the ones i already have from the pool at random and add that god
gray shore
Yeah, it's low. But for an RNG game
it's not like it's impossible to not have seen Athena by now
silk hearth
breh
proven osprey
Not seing Athena is such a pain
frank dew
dunno i dont mind it that much honestly
silk hearth
its pretty much impossible to not have seen every god
river wing
~~just do fresh files run for athena 
~~
primal hazel
Demeter if you haven't cleared the game yet
silk hearth
oh u can only see her after u clear the game?
frank dew
demeter is my guilty pleasure she always tempts me with rare crop
sinful atlas
Hey all. I have quite a specific question: I'm wondering about the interaction of Ares's Dire Misfortune (your doom effects deal more damage when applied multiple times) and the Ares/Aphro duo boon Curse of Longing. Would the resulting continuously striking 'doom curse' keep accumulating 'additional damage stacks' from Dire Misfortune, as long as the enemy remains weak, or does every damage 'hit' reset those extra applied stacks and start with a clean slate a gain?
primal hazel
Hits should usually reset afaik
But I wouldn't use curse if longing anyways unless I'm doing a ps build with maybe also Dyonisus
proven osprey
Rule number one : Dire misfortune does not synergize with any duos that make doom relevant
sly arch
Okay, im at styx and I dont find styx hard, so trinket wise for the hades fight: tooth or acorn?
Because uh,
I get hit a lot during that fight
silk hearth
acornnnnnnnnnnnnnn
primal hazel
No even a question
sly arch
Im thinking skelly tooth
river wing
dire misfortune is never something you go for. maybe pick it up if there's nothing better kinda thing
primal hazel
dire misfortune is never something you go for. maybe pick it up if there's nothi...
You can do doom stack build with chiron and ares
sinful atlas
Thanks all, too bad you can't get an exponential damage doom stack going on bosses, but probably for the best.
sly arch
Is acorn really that much better than tooth?
frank dew
@sinful atlas Curse of longing halfs the dmg of doom each time it triggers and so it would not add via misfortune
silk hearth
yea i think so
sly arch
Because in my prior attempts I've only gotten as far as i did due to the extra DD
sinful atlas
@frank dew Oooh I just realized that thanks
river wing
acron is 5 hits. lets say you take 20 per hit. it's already as good as teeth.
frank dew
its honestly one of the dumbest things with curse of longing cause if you spend a attack or special slot for doom you kinda want it to atleast do the most dmg it can
sly arch
I also got the ares boon that increases my damage in an encounter after using a DD so hades better watch out
primal hazel
Tooth will always only be 100 and it will only apply last
Acorn applies first which makes it always have a use
sinful atlas
@frank dew With the halving it just actually might be actively bad in a doom build?
primal hazel
It is
gray shore
its pretty much impossible to not have seen every god
I'm assuming a decent chunk of those have blocking events which force gods
can't remember how many of those exist precisely
river wing
yep. applying first is good esp if you use it for not-last-boss
gray shore
but I know there are a bunch of scripting ones which could crowd out Athena
I'm not saying it's not extremely unlikely
primal hazel
It's best on hades cause if his damage
frank dew
@sinful atlas no since it saves you time to reapply it
gray shore
but I also highly doubt that someone's game has buggede
primal hazel
Hades and sack at TD3 is only real run ender imo
gray shore
and just stopped showing him Athena
it's more likely that he just got vanishingly unlucky because there's thousands and thousands of players
gray shore
if I've done my maths correctly
river wing
can't get keepsake if you don't see athena 😉
gray shore
there are 8C4 = 70 combos of 4 gods
primal hazel
He's a maths teacher
primal hazel
can't get keepsake if you don't see athena 😉
Well that's an early game problem
river wing
that's 40% o.o
river wing
wow i didn't realize that the chance of seeing any one god is so high
gray shore
quick guess
silk hearth
2
silk hearth
0.6^30 is quite small tho
primal hazel
Nah that's like 18
gray shore
.6^20 is .0003%
primal hazel
Nearly 1/5
river wing
what's the chance of it not happening to any one person if there're x number of people playing
quick maf, go go
gray shore
if there's a million people playing that game
that's actually quite likely to happen
why do you think you get ridiculous hands like
quad aces vs royal flush
I promise you the % likelikhood of that happening
is much lower than not seeing athena for 20/30 runs
river wing
cause boons from god, that's why.
silk hearth
0.000000221
primal hazel
Also not only amount of players but also runs
primal hazel
In a roguelite you're bound to have bad luck once in a while
proven osprey
problem solved
silk hearth
yes sir
primal hazel
^
silk hearth
owl at tartarus
gray shore
for sure, big owl lowers here
primal hazel
Quickest mafs=no mafs
proven osprey
^
gray shore
fyi the probability of seeing quad aces vs royal flush
is approx 1 in 2.7 billion
3.7 x e^-10
silk hearth
uh
gray shore
Dio's aid is good
primal hazel
Time to hit the roulette table
gray shore
if you want some damage
silk hearth
depends on dmg vs defence tbh
proven osprey
Dio's aid is poggers
primal hazel
Depends on yo build
proven osprey
positive outlook is for noobs that get hit
primal hazel
Idk If you're going for smoldering
sly arch
I am a noob and I get hit
primal hazel
He is a noob
silk hearth
im a noob then >:(
bright fossil
Which boons should i use for the Excalibur?
sly arch
Is 10% even enough to make a difference in the hades fight tho
primal hazel
Getting hit
Is that some sort of peasant joke I don't understand?
primal hazel
@bright fossil Arthur artemis attack, heart rend, hunter dash, double edge/curse slash/shadow slash/greater consecration/breaching slash|
🔫
sly arch
Hades time, wish me luck
primal hazel
If you're going for double edge you shouldn't take shadow slash since it doesn't apply to dash strike
sly arch
Note to self: take it slow, break the pots before they become trouble
primal hazel
Breaching is nice on arthur because of high native damage
river wing
esp the pots around stones :B
gray shore
what's the chance of it not happening to any one person if there're x number of ...
sorry it took me a while but
gray shore
if P(no A)= 1- (0.6)^20
0.00003656....
then P(A) after 20 is 1- that
0.9999634...
primal hazel
Doesn't that only account for people and not amount of runs?
river wing
^20. means in twenty runs
gray shore
so if you simulate a million people
doing 20 runs each
and they are all independent
primal hazel
Kk didn't read the equation just assumed it was peeps
river wing
you got this
gray shore
the chance that nobody would get rekt by RNG in the way that we were talking about
is literally 1.32x 10^-16
so you probably expect someone somewhere to get rekt horribly and not see athena for 20+ runs
bright fossil
hmm
i'll try that build
thanks
i'm noob and still kinda struggling with Hades third phase
gray shore
for that probability, you'd expect quad aces vs royal flushes a thousand times over
silk hearth
third phase lol
gray shore
before you'd see a million people who always saw athena within 20 runs
bright fossil
the only time i won against him was Aspect of Beowulf with like 3 duo boons from Dio,Zeus and Demet
which was lucky af
river wing
i've done em4 1 or twice? idk i try to avoid it. im scared...
gray shore
is it still quick maf tho
tbf you just reminded me of a kid I worked with who
jokingly said "do maf sir, do maf" prodding me
'twas amusing
river wing
hehe
silk hearth
nice
sly arch
Im gonna die irl
silk hearth
._.
primal hazel
bright fossil
...
bright fossil
i love bouldy
sly arch
im literally shaking
bright fossil
he heals in hades fight
river wing
first of many?
bright fossil
god bless
sly arch
first of many boys
primal hazel
Someone else saw the light
sly arch
first of many.
silk hearth
not the best idea to upgrade urge to kill
primal hazel
I'm already taken tho
silk hearth
5 times
bright fossil
Btw remind me to not ever use Slicing Flare on Aspect of beowulf again
sly arch
so didnt have much choice
primal hazel
Btw remind me to not ever use Slicing Flare on Aspect of beowulf again
It fun
bright fossil
it failed to kill
proven osprey
Bouldy always give me the bonus gold
primal hazel
No
proven osprey
then I pick gold
primal hazel
You failed to kill
bright fossil
the annoying something on a chariot
proven osprey
river wing
slicing flare o.o how well does it work with hunting blades. i've never used
primal hazel
Try it
bright fossil
and then Hades chosed to use aspect of Achilles
bright fossil
so the blades never really stick on him
river wing
that's em4 for you 😐
primal hazel
It's special hunting blades
river wing
o. might try
bright fossil
and like it's too short duration
for legendary hades to work too
also is it normal for EM4 to just spawn like 5 butterflies orbs?
and invincible buffing crystals near them?
primal hazel
Happens
river wing
it depends. it can summon many miniboss
bright fossil
Hades does know my weakness then lol
bright fossil
Bouldy
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
bright fossil
that is not a suggestion but a command
river wing
you should give everyone all your nectars. :B
bright fossil
Wait i thought DIo's keepsake is the broken one
river wing
you should be able to generate* about the same number of honey per run as the people you'll meet anyways.
primal hazel
A gods keepsake can't be broken because the all have the same function
bright fossil
i mean all builds that are successfully for me having Dio related stuffs so i am biased i guess
river wing
at least at the start.. soon you'll get way more honey than people
bright fossil
how would pierce wave work on Arthur aspect?
the slashes got reduced damage for range?
proven osprey
Killing things with whine, ofc it'll be fun
sly arch
Finally maxed out dd too now
bright fossil
ah
sly arch
Also I escaped for the first time on my 20th attempt, thats very satisfying
bright fossil
So that thing isn't that good on arthur then
primal hazel
You can use it on a dash strike build on arthur
Although I'd prefer breaching slash personally
bright fossil
oh so arthur relying on dash strike?
river wing
wow hunting blades on beo is dissaponting
primal hazel
Not necessarily
bright fossil
ikr glass
primal hazel
You can build dash or normal attack
I like to build dash
But you should have double edge for dash strike build
proven osprey
You use both attack and dash strike
sullen valley
You know, I'm having a blast with Hestia and Level 2 Epic Dem Attack, alongside my Artemis Cast Epic Exit Wounds
Along with every other Boon that also deals damage
But I'm also afraid I'm gonna get messed up by EM4 nonetheless.
Still wish Hestia shot would hitstun.
sly arch
Is EM the preferred heat source or something?
river wing
The first 2 is.
Doesn't affect too much
Only 2 fights and just a little harder
Td1 is also free
sly arch
Also does beating hades introduce anything like getting to him does?