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#h1-builds-and-combat
primal hazel
clever igloo
Yeah it screws up the combo
primal hazel
Try it on GY
Have "fun"
cunning urchin
Make sure to use RI4 LC4, too.
clever igloo
I’d imagine on guan yu it would knock them out of subsequent hits on the spin attack
cunning urchin
That's exactly what it does.
primal hazel
That's exactly what it does.
@cunning urchin shhh
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike has no DPS whatsoever.
untold iris
poseidon second worst god
primal hazel
Every god has a place
untold iris
yeah every god can be good if you get enough synergy with them
but in general poseidon is second worst imo
pliant palm
second worst ?
untold iris
ye
pliant palm
who would the worst one ?
untold iris
demeter
pliant palm
hmmm
primal hazel
Yeah I can kinda see that
pliant palm
i don't really agree ?
untold iris
poseidon attack and special are pretty awful on a bunch of aspects
and he has a few other tier 1 boons that dont do anything
pliant palm
trying to compare their boons mentally
untold iris
so overall he's not as helpful to your builds
clever igloo
I don’t think ranking the deities is particularly productive
untold iris
demeter just has a bunch of mediocre boons plus two different tier 1 boons that are unsellable
pliant palm
demeter t2 boons are pretty meh
untold iris
and dont count towards family favorites I think
clever igloo
Every one of them has a solid place in several builds
untold iris
nah there are clearly some gods that are better than others
clever igloo
It’s more useful to focus on what you want for particular builds
primal hazel
I don’t think ranking the deities is particularly productive
@clever igloo bless you
untold iris
being the worst god doesnt mean you're bad
clever igloo
I will never, ever consider not taking a boon just because a deity is “bad”
untold iris
but saying "all gods are the same" is not really true
well yeah, boons are better than no boons
pliant palm
i mean, just for the fact that she help for Priv status, and that the slowdown is so nice with FO2
i'd put her over Poseidon
primal hazel
So both sides are right
clever igloo
I’m not saying that, I’m just saying listing them this way doesn’t serve a practical purpose
primal hazel
Argument settled
untold iris
being the worst god does not make you bad
proven osprey
Ok God tier list let's go
untold iris
but because the gods are different one of them has to be the worst
pliant palm
Artemis > all 
devout ether
Hades is clearly the worst god, he only grants one boon!
primal hazel
Poseidon best god because funny
clever igloo
I think you need to tier builds before you tier the deities
proven osprey
Meh
primal hazel
Can't one just discuss the gods power lol
untold iris
I'm pretty set on my top 4 gods
pliant palm
yeah, which gods are good will be different between the weapons, and the aspect
and the heat amount, too
primal hazel
Just for fun
clever igloo
It’s like if I’m talking about diablo 3 and tiering runes without considering sets, etc
primal hazel
Haha cause some chaos
proven osprey
GET IT
clever igloo
Lol
pliant palm
i mean, you can still have an overall order, just for the quality of the boons
like, an artemis will be better than a poseidon 95% of the time
clever igloo
If you want to go by average boon quality, Id put Dionysus way lower
pliant palm
but yes, it won't always be a true order
untold iris
the thing is that pretty much every aspect has one of artemis, aphrodite, or zeus as their most consistent core build
and athena is pretty much the single most useful god if you just want to win
so those are my top 4 gods for sure
clever igloo
A huge chunk of his boons just suck
Demeter has a bunch of stuff I’m happy to see any run
pliant palm
The biggest issue with dio
torpid abyss
My day be so fine
pliant palm
are his t2/legs
pliant palm
they really sucks
untold iris
the other 4 gods I'm not sure about the order exactly, but I think that athena, artemis, aphrodite, and zeus are the upper tier
clever igloo
I like dios legs
untold iris
and the other 4 gods are the lower tier
pliant palm
i liike the idea
devout ether
I like dios legs
@clever igloo His dash, on the other hand
clever igloo
His first level passives are just awful though
pliant palm
but it's waaaaaaay too situational
clever igloo
His hangover related passives are good imo
devout ether
The nectar one
@clever igloo This one is almost okay, +maxHP +1 rand level is almost worth a boon
untold iris
strong drink is okay, its not amazing and becomes worse with LC4, but its still some decent damage if you get it early
nectar is just a centaur heart
devout ether
If you get a single Nectar more in the run it's a good boon
untold iris
which is better than the bad boons
pliant palm
This one is almost okay, +maxHP +1 rand level is almost worth a boon
- can't be pommed
untold iris
but its not super exciting
devout ether
Slow hangover is amazing with chill
pliant palm
i don't know, i like dio overall
defo not the best god
but i find his boons interesting
untold iris
the best thing about dio is that his call is insanely good
but he has a lot of kind of mediocre or bad boons as well
primal hazel
Stronk drank is nice imo
primal hazel
I dislike his legendary
pliant palm
I like dio on rama special
primal hazel
But on fast hit, low dmg
pliant palm
i'd rather use zeus for chaos, i think
untold iris
i did my chaos runs with ares
primal hazel
Dio feels just like a worse zeus to me tho
pliant palm
well, you have to think about synergies
clever igloo
Dio does play better with others
untold iris
yeah zeus has amazing synergies :^)
primal hazel
Again worse not in a bad sense
untold iris
zeus + poseidon and zeus + aphro are both incredibly strong
primal hazel
Zeus is better in every regard for what dio wants to do
pliant palm
while dio works well with aphro, ares, artemis, and demeter, i'd say
primal hazel
Smoldering air, sea storm
With the dem duo you have an additional ps enabler
primal hazel
A useful legendary
untold iris
dem + zeus duo is decent but not game changing
clever igloo
You want dio over zeus
pliant palm
i'd say zeus is better for room clearing, but dio is better for bosses
primal hazel
Only if you go for special @clever igloo
pliant palm
really depends on the weapon and what t2 you get, what other gods you get, etc, anyway
like always
clever igloo
Idk what weapon you’re talking about
But for things like chaos shield special and chiron special
You don’t get multiple bolts
I’d much rather have dio there
(Or Artemis)
untold iris
I've really liked ares for chaos shield, though that just might be me
pliant palm
yeah, same, hence why i like dio for bow and zeus for shield
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish is still the go-to for Chaos Aspect.
untold iris
zeus is really good for zeus aspect though
clever igloo
Yeah
pliant palm
i feel like ares for chaos would be kinda meh for bosses ?
clever igloo
I’d put ares on chaos shield attack
primal hazel
Zeus better on chaos lol
clever igloo
Not the special
pliant palm
haven't tried that yet, at 32heat+
cunning urchin
Chaos Aspect DPS is just generally meh on bosses.
untold iris
I did ares special when I did 32 heat zag shield and chaos shield
dps vs bosses was kind of slow
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish is better on Chaos Aspect.
pliant palm
lel
untold iris
with ares special + athena attack and dash
primal hazel
Pog finally got all stickers
untold iris
so the dps was actually pretty good lol
but before I found ME it was the typical kind of slow boss fights
and decent room clearing
pliant palm
i think for zag aspect you need uh
primal hazel
I also like stacking with dire misfortune
primal hazel
Although chiron is way better at that
untold iris
hey ME makes any aspect good
pliant palm
does it, tho ?
primal hazel
Not bow
untold iris
well, any melee aspect
clever igloo
Lol
untold iris
it still works
you just spam dash attack
its not like arthur can't use dash attack effectively
untold iris
I mean the high heat arthur runs use dash attack a lot more than I would expect
primal hazel
Arthur dash pog
pliant palm
oh yeah, i don't say it's bad
untold iris
I mean no melee weapon has a bad enough dash attack to make ME bad
pliant palm
i just find it so weird to use
cunning urchin
It can take a bit of getting used to.
primal hazel
Who can blame you
pliant palm
primal hazel
Natural instincts
pliant palm
eheh
primal hazel
Oof and I thought my 3.6 k hestia was good
pliant palm
...no ? 
untold iris
I've cleared 52 Heat.
@cunning urchin okay but one time I attacked an enemy for 200 damage with arthur and 200 > 52
primal hazel
I'm still grinding bounties
pliant palm
Bleh
primal hazel
Tbf only doing like 3 runs a day lol
finite siren
tried chiron aspect demeter special + the frost on 10 stacks + the 4 more arrows daedalus upgrade
and it was nutty
pliant palm
13 heat for my bounties
cunning urchin
@pliant palm I'd legit have to just straight-up go for 58 because if I started grinding 57 now, he'd get 57 done before me lol.
pliant palm
primal hazel
It's my ocd
untold iris
where does tailesque fall on the god tier list
pliant palm
he created the gods
cunning urchin
Somewhere well below Lady Aphrodite like everybody else.
primal hazel
Have to thank my maker then
cunning urchin
Tailesque is Fox tier.
primal hazel
For fox sake
cunning urchin
@finite siren Chill on Chiron is kinda fun, but I prefer just going for damage on it.
finite siren
@cunning urchin yes but if you add the frost explosion with the 10 stacks it deals 100 additional damage
and since i had 11 arrows per special with the daedelus upgrade..
cunning urchin
It's still a lot less damage than you can get with Deadly Flourish.
finite siren
is.. heartbreak ? i think it's the right term
heartbreak flourish worth anything ?
cunning urchin
Yeah for sure.
finite siren
cause it deals the most damage of the bunch
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and Flourish are #1 for damage without looking at t2 boons. Deadly Strike and Flourish are #2.
untold iris
im not a super big fan of demeter because the damage boost is just not big enough imo
finite siren
i got an epic chill flourish on my run so i had about 100% increase in damage
untold iris
like demeter and athena have roughly the same damage boost iirc, but deflect is so much more broken than chill imo
demeter should really give more damage
cunning urchin
A rare Heartbreak or Deadly Flourish is already more than +100%.
Heartbreak Flourish on Chiron is especially amazing if you can get Healthy Fixation.
untold iris
yeah the main reason why I like heartbreak flourish on chiron is that with unhealthy fixation the weapon is super duper safe
cunning urchin
roughly the same damage boost
Exactly the same.
untold iris
and still does pretty good damage
primal hazel
I'd like demeter to actually have more good duos
Most are just meme beam it feels like
cunning urchin
She has some really good Duo Boons.
Crystal Clarity, Stubborn Roots, Ice Wine, Blizzard Shot, Cold Fusion.
finite siren
would a low tolerance set with heartbreak strike and drunken flourish work ?
low tolerance being a duo boon
cunning urchin
Yeah!
finite siren
dang i should try that sometime if I get the chance
cunning urchin
Low Tolerance is how Chiron handles JS at high heat.
finite siren
oh really that's cool
untold iris
stubborn roots seems really good but I've never really gotten much use out of it
either my build is good and I dont get/need the healing from it
or my build is bad and as a result I'm in danger of dying to TD so I can't stall for healing
on paper its looks really strong though
primal hazel
It's pog on SD
cunning urchin
It's in a weird place where it's really strong for new players and at extremely high heats but then just kind of does nothing for anything inbetween lol.
calm bluff
So like SD as well lul
cunning urchin
SD is great from 32 on, really.
Stubborn Roots is more for like 50+ probably lol.
untold iris
yeah I think SD is good as long as you want to take LC4
you're not forced to do LC4 at 32 heat but I tend to do it so I can take points from other places
cunning urchin
I'd legit put Stubborn Roots at S tier if it didn't require a DD/SD slot to be offered.
opal lodge
so you mean if you could get it on RI4
turbid needle
is death defiance affected by healing increases?
untold iris
no
primal hazel
Nope
Athena has a specific boon for it tho
Restores 1DD and increases health gained after death
vast dew
Best shield aspect upgrade?
turbid needle
oh ok, cool, thanks
that was going to affect how strong I evaluated extra death defiance
but probably for the best because of that heat option that reduces life gain
primal hazel
Every shield aspect is good
untold iris
they all have different playstyles
turbid needle
I like the hidden and the chaos one most I think
primal hazel
Yeah cause then you wouldn't gain any health on dd xD
untold iris
zeus is my favorite by far
turbid needle
but yeah it's about how you want to play
turbid needle
ahhh, that limits it quite a bit
primal hazel
Artemis would be the obvious answer ig
turbid needle
I guess I'd probably go either artemis or aphrodite attack
pliant palm
She has some really good Duo Boons.
Cold Fusion.
turbid needle
that's definitely one of my favorite boons
pliant palm
wat
turbid needle
I feel like chill is really underrated
primal hazel
It's free continuous damage
pliant palm
You don't really want zeus as one of your core boons if your build isnt centered about that
primal hazel
Usually around 200
turbid needle
I really like that decay chill thing too
pliant palm
so if you have a zeus based build
you'll continuously apply jolted
i guess cold fusion could be good if you only have the cast
turbid needle
It's not hard to slot in a zeus cast
primal hazel
Aside from that
Any build suggestions aside artemis on zag now or just go for the obvious?
pliant palm
but if you only have the cast
primal hazel
Zag cast is not the answer In that lol
turbid needle
aphrodite
pliant palm
you won't really want to take jolted, you'd prob want smth like judgment or billowing in priority
idk
its just seems like a weird duo
turbid needle
I dunno, 10 seconds of jolted at a time is realllly strong
pliant palm
How to explain
turbid needle
I mean take into consideration the end boss usually swings 3-4 times in an attack
primal hazel
Hmm im thinking maybe zag bow with artemis attack and athena flourish?
turbid needle
and you don't need to be anywhere near them to do that damage
pliant palm
i felt ike EVERY occasion I had cold fusion offered
turbid needle
athena or ares flourish is really strong
pliant palm
it was useless, cause my main dmg source was zeus
turbid needle
more jolted isn't a BAD thing really
pliant palm
it is
turbid needle
I mean do you really apply jolted between every swing somehow?
pliant palm
when you apply it naturally fast
pliant palm
exactly, it doesn't stack
turbid needle
what heat do you usually play on?
pliant palm
currently on 40 heat
opal lodge
cold fusion is really just underwhelming
turbid needle
I just feel like it's only useless if you can manage to hit them after every single attack, which means between attacks
pliant palm
cold fusion is one of those duo that seems excellent at first glance
opal lodge
zeus works best on moves that hit quickly anyway
so foes will almost always be jolted
pliant palm
but actually doesn't have much affect most of the time
opal lodge
right
turbid needle
yeah, but if an enemy hits 3 or 4 times in a row I'm usually dodging attacks
pliant palm
uh
opal lodge
the only build where i legit try for cold fusion is a chaos build
but im not sure if that is even good anymore
opal lodge
what weapon are you on where you have to dodge 4 times before attacking with zeus again
turbid needle
I mean like attack combos enemies do
pliant palm
turbid needle
I mean the end boss swings in threes
and I know I'm usually more concerned with dodging than attacking after every swing
opal lodge
i could be wrong but i don't think it jolts them for each part of an attack sequence
pliant palm
dodge the first 2 swing
opal lodge
do you have a clip
pliant palm
attack will he does the spin
turbid needle
that's literally the whole point
primal hazel
Jolt In a zeus build is free damage
opal lodge
no one is saying jolted is bad
primal hazel
Aside from cold Fusion
opal lodge
we're saying cold fusion is kind of redundant on most zeus builds
primal hazel
With cold fusion it's just more free damage
pliant palm
talking about cold fusion, not jolted itself
turbid needle
yeah, and it's much, much safer
primal hazel
I can agree with that
pliant palm
i'm not saying cold Fusions is awful
opal lodge
i would never take cold fusion over like
pliant palm
i'm saying it's not that good
opal lodge
double strike
primal hazel
I wouldn't say cold fusion is weak
But niche
opal lodge
for example
pliant palm
or billowing
primal hazel
Depending on the build honestly
opal lodge
yeah theres just so many more zeus boons i'd take before picking up cold fusion
pliant palm
but its not like I'm going to actively ignore it
primal hazel
If I don't have smoldering I wouldn't necessarily take billowing
pliant palm
its just not that good
opal lodge
billowing is amazing regardless of whether you have smoldering air
turbid needle
yeah I would definitely take cold fusion over billowing
turbid needle
15 seconds a few times a fight over constant medium sized chunks of damage the entire fight
easy pick for me
opal lodge
that's gonna be a 
for me dawg
turbid needle
I usually use the full god call when I do
but with smouldering or something yeah it's really strong
pliant palm
i usually do that if i don't have billowing, second wind or athena
rest of the time, i tend to spam call
turbid needle
but cold fusion does a minimum of 60, usually 3 times at a spat, pretty sure it sounds off the little lightning orbs with the legendary, too
pliant palm
i see it like that
primal hazel
I mean with smoldering it's insane
clever igloo
There’s a faq on gamefaqs that says smoldering air sucks
turbid needle
yeah smoldering is fantastic, for sure
opal lodge
gamefaqs sucks lol
clever igloo
Lol
primal hazel
Hmm I kinda miss the insane tier list someone posted
pliant palm
if an enemy attacks you, that's means he is in range if you hitting him (lets take rail, for example)
opal lodge
gamefaqs can talk to me when they clear 32 heat until then 
turbid needle
I've even had smoldering and the hermes boon too, just spamming calls
all
the
time
pliant palm
so sure, he will maybe attack a few time
turbid needle
actually the enemies will attack out of range
pliant palm
but you're attacking too
turbid needle
and usually do
end boss certainly does
every time he throws, every time he swings, all attacks
pliant palm
except you attack inbetween his attack
opal lodge
what heat are you finding that cold fusion is an effective duo
pliant palm
againn, i'm not saying it's bad
turbid needle
I usually do around 32
pliant palm
but i would never aim for it
opal lodge
if it's this good i may need to start picking it up for my 45 attempts
pliant palm
and I might not take it without hesitation if it does get offered
turbid needle
well, I'd try it a few times, I like that it's really safe damage
you apply it and for 10 seconds they kill themselves with a pretty strong damage
especially if you get some levels on jolt, get it to the 100+ damage mark
clever igloo
Cold fusion is something I rarely go for specifically, but I’m never sad to see it
opal lodge
yeah again i like jolted
just never really find that enemies arent jolted when i want them to be
turbid needle
but you start realizing how much enemies attack and how many applications you miss
also it's almost like a dot, you apply it and it does all the work
opal lodge
what weapon is this you're talking about
turbid needle
like I'm pretty sure the lasers from the crystal hit them for each damage tick
usually I'll do on the bow
pliant palm
zeus on bow ?
opal lodge
with zeus on special?
primal hazel
I have wet dreams from rama zeus
turbid needle
I like dem+zeus on bows or rails, whichever I'm feeling, I usually don't do the same aspect twice in a row, and rarely the same weapon twice
chiron is the extra special shots? because special with chill applies it mega fast
turbid needle
no, definitely not
pliant palm
i use either artemis or demeter for chiron special
turbid needle
dem special is epic
opal lodge
aight i got nothin
primal hazel
Look here I ain't saying nothing against dem being fun on Special
pliant palm
easy cheesy on low heat
primal hazel
But zeus on attack
pliant palm
everything is easy cheesy on low heat 
turbid needle
I literally never said zeus on attack
proven osprey
God that took so much effort and no one noticed
turbid needle
I even said I don't use zeus attack, I said 'definitely not'
primal hazel
Well so you're saying zeus special on chiron? Even worse
opal lodge
i noticed i was just scared to ask astaos
pliant palm
too aroused to ask
turbid needle
I like zeus on cast
proven osprey
why scared ?
opal lodge
10 emotes is intimidating
opal lodge
look i wont try to talk you out of cold fusion since it seems you're making it work for you
pliant palm
I agree that cold fusion is very good with the cast, tho
turbid needle
bg, ez
primal hazel
He found me out
pliant palm
considering you don't apply jolted often
turbid needle
that's mostly what I like it on
pliant palm
it's just that if i only have zeus cast
opal lodge
i feel like if you're playing chiron and going for zeus cast cold fusion there may be better builds out there
or better weapons
pliant palm
well i won't really try to get more zeus
primal hazel
I like dem+zeus on bows or rails, whichever I'm feeling, I usually don't do the same aspect twice in a row, and rarely the same weapon twice
@turbid needle
pliant palm
unless I don't have a choice
proven osprey
It's funny (or sad) how frequently the poor stone get insulted lol
opal lodge
like that would maybe be decent on achilles spear?
turbid needle
I don't always use chiron, I usually don't play the same aspect twice in a row
opal lodge
since you're going for zeus cast snow burst anyway
proven osprey
like a natural conclusion
pliant palm
that's what I was thinking, bright
primal hazel
It's funny (or sad) how frequently the poor stone get insulted lol
@proven osprey people like to scoop low
turbid needle
I'm not a big fan of most of the spears, but that's might be a fun idea
I'll have to try that out
opal lodge
poseidon sword too probably
pliant palm
i hate spear with all my being
turbid needle
one of my most fun was the triple attack spear hammer, and the extra long spear range hammer
primal hazel
I used to hate spear
opal lodge
i hate spear until i get flurry jab
turbid needle
with deflect on attack
opal lodge
then it is my favorite weapon
turbid needle
and it's hilllariousss
primal hazel
The tailesque showed me the light
turbid needle
yeah for sure
primal hazel
Now I like every weapon as long as it's not zag aspects
turbid needle
Throbbing spin 👁️
pliant palm
I don't like every aspect cause I don't have every aspect leveled up
primal hazel
My weapons don't need to be as well
turbid needle
I have alllmost all of them maxed, but there's a few I haven't
pliant palm
or even an hestia run
primal hazel
Hestia Is soooo fun
turbid needle
I kind of wish I had my ||guan yus|| back, I'm just not that great with that one
err
primal hazel
Ez 3.6k
pliant palm
i don't have the blood for it, lel
turbid needle
I have so much blood 👁️
pliant palm
need to max shield legendary aspect next
primal hazel
All aspects but 4 maxed now
rare kindle
Chiron aspect on bow is fun
pliant palm
rama > all
primal hazel
Hot take my man
rare kindle
It really wants you to max it out though
turbid needle
that one is great for sure
turbid needle
the hidden aspect for the bow is a lot more approachable though
rare kindle
Four special arrows isn’t that much
primal hazel
the hidden aspect for the bow is a lot more approachable though
@turbid needle ok now that's a hot take
pliant palm
so much better than chiron for room clearing
turbid needle
crits with the effect really splatter enemies
hidden aspect is basically reverse chiron
turbid needle
chiron says attack first, hidden says attack second
proven osprey
GY is reverse Chiron
pliant palm
gy is reverse fun
proven osprey
oof
pliant palm
beautiful ?
turbid needle
GY is reverse fun, I agree
primal hazel
That's my tactic
turbid needle
GY is reverse hidden sword aspect
primal hazel
If you constantly do low brow humor one is bound to be good
turbid needle
all these things you are good at, you are now bad at. and you are dead.
pliant palm
i feel like the downside of gy is too big
proven osprey
well [redacted] you all, unfaithful ones
primal hazel
i feel like the downside of gy is too big
@pliant palm your downside is too big
rare kindle
Never played with GY because of the max hp cost but it doesn’t look very good
proven osprey
There is no downside to throwing piercing fireworks all over the place
primal hazel
You don't look very good
turbid needle
a few special hammers can make it a lot more friendly, but it's still pretty unforgiving
proven osprey
oh no the stone is now a bot
turbid needle
maybe if it didn't effect ALL your hp gains
cunning urchin
Guan Yu is reverse burcs dug tig. 
pliant palm
thx for the compliment 
turbid needle
but alas. it does. and it has.
primal hazel
GY is fun if you're good
proven osprey
Daaaamn
turbid needle
stonedbot is broken
pliant palm
gy is fun if you get the right hammers
primal hazel
proven osprey
debate's over
rare kindle
Yeah, it stinks that upgrade only makes the downside less bad
proven osprey
strongest punchline has been pronunced
primal hazel
Not so smart now huh
pliant palm
aka explosive, charged skewer, big spin, quick spin
primal hazel
Self roast had to be
aka explosive, charged skewer, big spin, quick spin
@pliant palm you forgot serrated
proven osprey
Recently I finished my 32 all weapons. So I came back to GY. And dude, it feels so much comfier
primal hazel
Serrated on GY ?
@pliant palm if you haven't played that you haven't lived
proven osprey
cunning urchin
There's no downside if you don't get hit, and Guan Yu is one of the best aspects for no-hitting encounters.
pliant palm
it just feels so... slow
primal hazel
That's the funniest thing I've read this evening
turbid needle
the downside is you have to play through your tears
pliant palm
if you don't have a special based build
primal hazel
Best weapon if you don't get hit
cunning urchin
There's no joke in that.
primal hazel
Aka just don't get hit
turbid needle
honestly I'd still say eris rail is the best weapon if you don't get hit lol
primal hazel
That's not the point
pliant palm
zag fist worst weapon if you don't get hit
proven osprey
You don't get it ?
pliant palm
cunning urchin
Eris is the best aspect whether you get hit or not.
primal hazel
turbid needle
exactly
primal hazel
Play serrated point gy @pliant palm
turbid needle
guan yu is the best worst aspect though
pliant palm
i'm gonna play with your feeling instead
opal lodge
maybe hestia
proven osprey
that's why using it is so rewarding
proven osprey
when you get to know the aspect
pliant palm
cunning urchin
Hestia, Chiron, Guan Yu. I think those three are the best for that.
cunning urchin
Eris because everything just dies.
pliant palm
pre-shotting the joke
primal hazel
Gold
opal lodge
it's honestly pretty easy to perfect rooms with beowulf but there are also some really weird interactions with dragon rush
graceful verge
So I just got the Aphrodite/Athena backstab duo
It makes Ares cast really good
Just nuked Alecto
pliant palm
Dying of laughter rn
primal hazel
Samé
graceful verge
I'm I right to assume you're talking about my comment?
proven osprey
yeah I was quite surprised
graceful verge
Okay then
turbid needle
you declared nuclear war against the country of Alecto. Prepare yourself.
turbid needle
my whole life is a bladerift.
I actually like the dem/ares bladerift, that's actually kind of fun
teal juniper
I was going for a merciful end build a couple runs back, and I made the mistake of picking up slicing shot
primal hazel
Had to bring this one out again
primal hazel
Have fun
teal juniper
He gave me the legendary
proven osprey
that's just too much
turbid needle
Ooof, jrock.
teal juniper
before I got merciful end
turbid needle
the legendary was sodomy.
primal hazel
Eris is C
teal juniper
the cast's alright but like, it needs to be used right
proven osprey
shhhht
turbid needle
As dusa said, GY is an S in GARBAGE
fair gull
gy is fun
primal hazel
GY is only as good as it's user
proven osprey
I think the tier list is not power based only
primal hazel
Checkmate
fair gull
just ignore the attack and throw fireworks
primal hazel
Serrated point
graceful verge
So I'm guessing my idea was really bad then?
teal juniper
it's ok, I'm not great and lost like 2 death defiances to lava due to the lack of health
primal hazel
Dash strike build
proven osprey
they basically say that Eris is boring as hell
primal hazel
Tier list is funny
proven osprey
So I'm guessing my idea was really bad then?
@graceful verge Not really, blade rifts deal damage. But it's really inconsistent as a build
but yeah, everything is viable at low heat
graceful verge
ok
teal juniper
yeah blade rifts are hard to get working well
primal hazel
Idk you only need hunting blades
turbid needle
like I said, I like the dem one
turbid needle
and yeah I think there was a crit one I liked, but I might be mixing it up with another cast
trippy shot with mirage shot was actually hilarious
primal hazel
Meem beem
teal juniper
there's the narrow parts between the pillars and edge of the arena for the hades fight that you can get the blade rifts bouncing between
which is basically just a murder zone
graceful verge
I'm using it with Hades spear if that is at all relevant
turbid needle
EVERY ZONE IS A MURDER ZONE WHEN YOU GIT GUD
rare kindle
Even though the prereqs for hunting blades aren’t that hard to get, it never shows up for me when I do I have the prereqs
rare kindle
Although my mirror is on +epic boons and not +legendary/duo
rocky iris
Anyone got a 32 heat build for sword? I just finished bounties with poseidon aspect, poseidon/demeter duo
Been failing over and over again on 32.
I always take too much damage playing melee with any aspect other than poseidon except one run with excalibur and double dash attack
untold iris
get athena dash
untold iris
athena dash is really important if you're going to be playing melee
rocky iris
Idk how to get athena consistently because I'm heavily reliant on getting duo in asphodel/tartarus then on acorn in elysium
frank dew
that brightrock tier list is something else man
untold iris
I think the tryhard build is core boon keepsake in tartarus, owl pendant in asphodel, acorn in elysium and styx
rocky iris
Approval process is worth it. I don't mind grinding a few runs for better rng. Better than extra hard labour and getting murdered by asterius
cunning urchin
Take the Owl Pendant in either Tartarus or Asphodel.
rocky iris
I might go with an athena/zeus duo cast then
proven osprey
wat
rocky iris
Not great against bosses though
proven osprey
I mean flipping coins won't get you better at Asterius
rocky iris
How do you dodge the thing where he runs into you for like 50 damage???
proven osprey
And 32 without HL is totally possible
rare kindle
You dash the other way
untold iris
stand in front of a wall or pillar and dash through him or through the pillar when he's super close to you
graceful verge
Dash through a pillar
rocky iris
I know it's possible, but I'm garbage at sword and spear so I'm looking for the easiest way out so I can be free of my hades addiction lol
proven osprey
waiting for Nyaanyaa's speech
rocky iris
The problem is I'm never near a pillar when he starts charging
proven osprey
which is usually 80 lines long when it comes to dodging Asterius
rocky iris
I can dodge everything else he does. Just the charge is so brutal. Nemean chariots are so much easier since you just dash into them
proven osprey
don't worry dude
rocky iris
Or I'll concentrate too hard on asterius and get murdered by 60+ damage shots from theseus lol
untold iris
theseus is fairly easy to dodge most of the time, just dont stand near the big red circles
rocky iris
Yeah but sometimes he'll go through the centre and nowhere is safe and you forget which one is about to hit
cunning urchin
Dash through him or perpendicular to him when you're close to a wall or pillar. You'll get to try again if you mess up because he needs to actually turn. Dashing through pillars is a pretty bad idea. If you mess that up (which still happens to the best players), he'll just zoom around it and hit you.
rocky iris
Gotta train the reflex to not dash away from him. Perpendicular is smart
cunning urchin
If you have Divine Strike on Malphon, you can literally just stop his charge with a punch lol. Should probably work on sword, too, I don't think I've tried it.
rocky iris
Also the timing of the dashes. Suppose I have 2, and I see the animation for him dashing start. Then I dash 2x but I'm not too far away from him. And now I'm in dash recovery and it's easy pickings for the bull. I think that's my problem.
untold iris
i dunno if sword attack speed is fast enough
you can probably deflect if you have good timing
rocky iris
Ooh never tried that. Maybe with flurry sword
untold iris
but if you mess up you take a ton of damage
rocky iris
Lol sometimes asterius just runs in a circle trying to juke me out.
I hear his deep voice in my nightmares
cunning urchin
Honestly, I often just let him hit me if I do EM3 because I have Acorn anyway lol.
rocky iris
Theseus machine guns often take my acorn...they're sneaky
cunning urchin
m usually way more worried about my time because of TD3.
I rarely ever do a run without Divine Dash anymore, so those projectiles aren't really a problem.
rocky iris
TD3 is beyond me. Would be nice to have that extra 3 heat
Lol I just checked and I've never finished 32 heat with athena dash, and I always take that if I see it. So that's 8 runs where I just didn't see her
proven osprey
You'll get there eventually
untold iris
hmmm
do I take epic rare crop
im on floor 20 of asphodel and my only boons are deadly strike, crystal beam, divine dash, and crystal clarity
so its guaranteed to hit the boons I care about
but its also not sellable
and I have UC turned on lol
and I really dont want to sell anything else from by build
rocky iris
Make your choice then
@proven osprey
Gonna take 2 AP and rely on a miracle
untold iris
i guess the safe play is probably to take frost flourish
proven osprey
is your deadly strike pommed up
untold iris
achilles
untold iris
well I had to sell deadly strike because I couldnt reroll into frost flourish
but it was probably the better boon to take over rare crop anyways
cunning urchin
Good chance to get Deadly Strike back.
untold iris
yeah I found it as my first boon in elysium
but I think im going to take PP over deadly strike
since I'm trying to go hard into meme beam anyways
uneven scarab
Quick question: How does privileged status damage increase work?
Like with an attack boon that increases damage by 20% is privileged status added with the 20% for a 60% damage increase or is it added after the initial 20% has already been added?
unkempt pagoda
all offensive numbers are additive
clever igloo
I believe it adds 40% of the base damage of whatever the attack was
unkempt pagoda
it'd be 20%+40%=60% overall
uneven scarab
Thx
pliant anvil
the only exception is crits, which multiply the damage
unkempt pagoda
technically, according to the tooltip, crits give +200% damage 😛
primal hazel
"Aside from that, his Slicing Shot spell boon is incredible, especially if you get any of its upgrades, and if you get all of its upgrades, it’s inarguably the best spell in the game."
Just found that on a god tier list on some website
Find it funny
proven osprey
It's less BS than "GY bad"
unkempt pagoda
i find it funny when people call casts spells lol
primal hazel
Well that's a low standard
i find it funny when people call casts spells lol
@unkempt pagoda u got me xD
proven osprey
yeah...
primal hazel
Inarguably the best spell
primal hazel
Btw also from Bright Rock boys
Although I have to say that one is, aside from some funny bits like the ares thing, not that shet
proven osprey
not so bright from what I've read here
primal hazel
At least the proceed with "a god being a lower tier doesn't mean they're bad, just generally less useful"
But yeah just wanted to share the funniest
Gn
technically, according to the tooltip, crits give +200% damage 😛
@unkempt pagoda multiplicative in the sense that crit is applied after the other additive boons
So not 10dmg+40%+200% but (10+40%)+200% ig
silk hearth
those two equations mean the same thing ._.
silk hearth
yea its just that the game tooltip is wrong
primal hazel
Hmm aren't the additive boons applied before the crit?
primal hazel
Ig it's just important that it's applied seperately
While all the other percents are counted together before being applied
So like 10+(20%+65%)+200% if that makes any sense
Just dum boi mock up math obvs
I really need sleep lol
balmy portal
I have to say I feel like the second notch of forced overtime should be worth 4 heat
meager sedge
Btw, how good is a highlevel version of the Artemis boon that gives crit chance to all damage? Potentially it can be like 1.2x or more average damage, right? But low reliability, heavy investment to get it there. So not that good to level up, but an okay boost if you can just get it Epic or Heroic?
balmy portal
imo its biggest benefit is triggering on random pings to mark things
which makes the crit boost a lot more reliable
untold iris
the good thing about pressure points is that it can trigger off of basically all damage
so it can make your stuff like hangover or zeus lightning deal more damage
so its especially good if a lot of your damage comes from secondary effects like that
balmy portal
if your crit is only +200% damage though, a 5% pressure points is a 10% damage increase
meager sedge
Hm... source of numerous hits, Pressure Pounts, and the crit damage up boon together could be fairly good. Maybe not... blindingly broken or anything. But decent
untold iris
the thing about PP is that its a 10% global damage increase
if you have a zeus build, for example, its possible that half of your damage is lightning damage
maybe even more
and that doesnt scale with many other sources in the game
primal hazel
Pp is always good
If you have a spare god slot
Most of the time you take artemis either way
calm bluff
Iunno. I typically like the curses the other gods give over artemis.
But visually seeing an epic boon being upgraded to like, 100% damage increase vrs. artemis which I never get epic kinda skews my view of it
primal hazel
Either you run crit build or on most you have a free slot
Also yeah that's like personal unluck
calm bluff
I have never gotten above rare on artemis attack
primal hazel
Not on everything obvs but on a lot of stuff you either way take artemis or have a free slot
But that's my playstyle obvs
calm bluff
I typically try to get two easy to use curses for privilege to proc.
Which ends up being aphro half the time
primal hazel
I run FF
Privilege is only really worth it on certain builds imo cause you have to focus on triggering it
And it's only 15% more damage that only applies if you heavily build around it
While FF always applies
Also the enemy still has to be alive after the two curses are applied and the curses have to stay applied
I like PS on specific builds
calm bluff
...I read family favorite wrong, herp.
I thought it was same god, not different gods.
I've been vastly neutering my builds lmao
primal hazel
Bc of the 4 slot system and hermes you'll usually have 25%
Let's you be a bit more flexible
As you don't have to build for curses
I run PS on Gilgamesh f.e.
calm bluff
I'm typically at 30% because unless Athena gives me something at a high rarity or I get a duo to build around early, it just ends up being 5 different gods.
primal hazel
I don't really like to take 5 because a random gets kicked out of the pool
Which could be build central ones
calm bluff
Interesting.
primal hazel
Maybe try FF out ^^
sly arch
Is there a reason to ever not take chaos boons?
primal hazel
No
Maybe if it's before a boss chamber
But imo it's still worth it
Just depends how well you can handle it and what the punishment is
gray shore
isn't that what makes hunter's mark such an amazing boon
sly arch
Yeah usually if i see one early on (sometimes in the first room) I take it
gray shore
you just take PP and start critting the whole room
sly arch
Because like, the first areas are so easy I can def afford to not use my special or cast or whatever
primal hazel
you just take PP and start critting the whole room
I think you're a bit l8 lol
calm bluff
I skip chaos if it's before boss or I'm using a keepsake for a specific build and of course the chaos enter thingy appeared right before it.
quick sky
I am currently trying to get my first win and I keep losing to Hades. I love using the twin fists but I tend to not have any damage output. Any tips?
sly arch
how far into the hades fight do you get?
Note: I've not beaten him myself BUT HAVE GOTTEN SO CLOSE AAAAAAAAAAAA
quick sky
2nd phase 30% last fight.
sly arch
Welp, can't help you there, im in the same boat as you
Even did that with the fists too lmao
Tips I've been given are to get rid of pots in places you think you're gonna go
And hide behind the pillars for the beams obviously
I would also recommend trying to destroy the pulse generating skulls when you have the chance, and in general pay more attention to them
Also try to slow it down and not just rush in and mash
rare kindle
Chaos is so fun but can be very hit and miss
calm bluff
Best I can say is roll for stubborn roots from athena + demeter if you're having trouble with Hades
It at least gives you breathing room on your last DD
untold iris
best tactic is to not get hit :^)
okay more serious advice is to dodge the lasers by hiding behind a rock, dont get faked out by the spin (hades always lunges forward, so the actual hitbox is in front of where the circle indicator is, so sometimes the best direction to dash is towards hades), make sure to break pots preemtively to create a safe zone that you might need to run to when he shoots his lasers, and usually kill skulls or kite hades to the other side of the map so the dropped skull doesnt reach you when it explodes
quick sky
Yeah the circle thing I figured out helped a lot.
I have gotten a second DD so maybe it is easier but the run where I got him to 25% I have been unable to replicate.
I got support fire or whatever the thing and boy did that help a lot.
rare kindle
Try to figure out what gods synergizes with your weapon’s strengths
Like Zeus is good for things that have multiple, smaller hits
ripe glade
quick question about heat levels.. if I'm already up to say heat 20.. and do a farming run next run, and have a 0 heat level .. is there any difference running a 5 or 10 heat level run instead?...
river wing
for rewards, no.
untold iris
you can just play with whatever heat you want
river wing
infernal gates i guess
ripe glade
ah ok.. what about in the run instead?.. will boons and gods offered be more or less?.. for example better chance of getting certain boons and things
untold iris
well certain pacts make stuff bad, like taking AP or RI is a big no-no
CF is also probably bad for a farming run
other than that you can really take whatever you find fun
river wing
take some em and fo 😛
untold iris
if you want to take TD1, that disables survival rooms, so your run will be faster in terms of real time
river wing
take td1 for sure.
you can kinda farm money from those survival rooms. but it's a pain imo
ripe glade
ah ok.. thanks guys..
devout ether
quick question about heat levels.. if I'm already up to say heat 20.. and do a farming run next run, and have a 0 heat level .. is there any difference running a 5 or 10 heat level run instead?...
@ripe glade If you're up to 20 heat on all weapons already, what exactly are you farming for?
rare kindle
TD1 is basically free, in my experience
river wing
that's true... with 21*6 runs.. you should kinda have everything
rare kindle
Maybe they just want to farm upgrades for the ranks and UI themes
untold iris
you built it backwaaaards
smoky horizon
untold iris
you want doom on attack and deflect on special
untold iris
yes
smoky horizon
untold iris
then when you find merciful end, your dash attack will apply doom and immediately proc it
because dash attack is both an attack (for doom) and a dash (for deflect)
smoky horizon
well, time to restart the run lol
untold iris
you're on 3 heat
so its fine
I would take impending doom
you just have to be aware to press special a lot
smoky horizon
i'll definitely keep that in mind
opal lodge
"you built it backwards" is definitely one of the funnier messages that's been sent here
pale sinew
devout ether
Oh baby a triple
toxic warren
So is it just me, or is the spear the worst weapon to use against the final boss? I lost 4 times using that weapon. Any tips?
river wing
I do think spear is worse than many other weapons when no blood investment on secondary aspects. But it's perfectly doable.
toxic warren
I sure it’s doable. Perhaps my problem is that I keep going with Divine attack to deflect as I attack which is amazing for the first 2 bosses, but not so good for the last two.
stark ore
Unless it's Zag Spear then Spear can be pretty solid against Dad
toxic warren
Maybe use a Dionysus or Aphrodite attack.
stark ore
I'd personally recommend Ares or Artemis, pretty safe options and can deal some good damage
river wing
it might not be so much of a build problem as it is a combat problem.
stark ore
Demeter can also work too
river wing
esp if you're clearing everything but the boss just fine
toxic warren
Yeah. I guess it could also just be me and I panic when I get caught up in the fight.
Even though I’ve beaten the final boss 5 times now.
Just never with the spear.
untold iris
zag spear is easy as long as you high roll exploding launcher and then just pretend its a bow
turbid needle
yermum is an exploding launcher.
balmy scroll
For chaos aspect shield, is dread flight any good?
balmy scroll
Oh, okay
My Daedalus is giving me breaching rush, charges shot and dread flight. I haven’t used the last two, so wasn’t sure
untold iris
charged shot is very good
tawny meadow
Charged shot is probably the best shield hammer tbh
calm bluff
I kinda wish Dionysus and Poseidon had a duo boon that did something. Doing a DoT run would be neat.
opal lodge
exclusive access does something
it takes away duo chance from actual duo boons that do things
ripe glade
if I choose a god keepsake.. say such as Ares.. if I then keep the same keepsake on the 2nd realm?.. does it have an effect?.. or you should you always change god boons each realm?
river wing
there's the boon chance effect. but it's pretty pointless.
ripe glade
small.. ?.. so just change it?
river wing
yap
ripe glade
thanks glass.. you been really helpful tonight.. 😄
opal lodge
boon chance effect but usually you want to force a god you want or take a keepsake that does something (hades call or acorn)
or coin purse
bone hourglass is good for cast builds
ripe glade
I'm chasing boons for fates list.. so not caring so much for passing the game.. just want to get the fates lists completes
opal lodge
gotcha yeah the "forcing" effect only has one charge, which you can see below the keepsake when you first equip it
ripe glade
just to complete the lists.. am so close.. only 2 legendarys I've not got is the Hermes ones.. they seem hard to get
opal lodge
hermes legendaries have a 1-2% base chance of appearing
river wing
remember to equip the right cast mirror for hermes