Screenshots or it didnt happen
#h1-builds-and-combat
still vigil
proven osprey
I'll remember it and screen everything you type in this channel
still vigil
XD
unborn pebble
That run was weird. It was the old save, so pre-1.0, but Hunting Blades, the pull-in, and eventual LegendAres made it work.
Buzzaw galore
Now I wanna try both a trippy shot and a slicing blades build on AchilleSpear
still vigil
Tbf i do have hang ups about certain calls from gods. Like I'm just not receptive to a few(lookin at you ares) and refuse to pick up the call
unborn pebble
I was like that with Poseidon until I began digging for Rip Current on the new save.
still vigil
That was way too many puns and now my head hurts
unborn pebble
?
proven osprey
the backstab joke was better and there is no way to change my mind
unborn pebble
My message or the earlier pun-fest?
still vigil
ofc the person who plays an uno reverse card would like a backstab joke
All of it tbh
Not yer msg
I like Exposed as a debuff
unborn pebble
Yeah, my brain is tired and went full “wut?”-mode
still vigil
Makes ya feel like an assassin
unborn pebble
Have a great day, everyone!
still vigil
Cya!
primal hazel
still vigil
_>
primal hazel
proven osprey
that's a good point
still vigil
It's a crackhead idea but it might work on heats lower than 32
Also youll look stylish
proven osprey
you try it
still vigil
Nah i hate GY
cunning urchin
It would work at 32.
proven osprey
I'm through GY clunky builds
cunning urchin
Was your Tempest Strike Guan Yu run at 32? I forgot.
proven osprey
Good one Nyaanyaa
still vigil
Oooo i think imma Poseidon special on zeus
proven osprey
it was only EM3 if I recall correctly
cunning urchin
Yes.
Push all the enemies out of your flying damage saucer.
Excellent strategy.
still vigil
Itd be like simulatin a car accident
still vigil
Especially when ya get second wave and breaking wave
proven osprey
don't you hear that sweet sound ?
still vigil
Is it katy perry
proud topaz
GY is kind of fussy to get right i think
cunning urchin
Would be great if I could hear Katy Perry any time I throw the Guan Yu Special.
rapid rose
what are some good casts for hera?
cunning urchin
Flood Shot, Crush Shot, Phalanx Shot.
proven osprey
** A T H E N A**
cunning urchin
I think maybe I'll stream some 32 Guan Yu with Thunder Flourish and Katy Perry music.
proven osprey
how to get famous
proud topaz
i'd enjoy watching some good competent GY play 😄
still vigil
Cosplay as Zeus while playin Katy Perry Firework in the bg while also playin zeus GY at 60 heat
proven osprey
She's more than competent, she's blessed
proud topaz
true
magic stone
So you get good damage
still vigil
It's been done
magic stone
Oh really?
still vigil
I think
magic stone
Oof :(
cunning urchin
I think I will maybe avoid TD3 for that though lol.
still vigil
You should try dio attack on fists. Especially gilga
I heard the results are astounding
olive spruce
@magic stone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvbP3hZCljY
rapid rose
what do you guys use to record runs?
cunning urchin
Thunder Flourish is literally the day 1 build for Rama, I'm sorry to tell you lol.
cunning urchin
Everyone was running that day 1 when they added the aspect.
stark ore
I'd recommend Eris more but if you like chunky hits then go for Hestia
cunning urchin
Hestia is great. I did 32 Heat mirrorless with that today no problem.
magic stone
I already have max Eris but it’s probably better
Hestia and remove thick skin matbe? 👀
still vigil
Hestia is great. I did 32 Heat mirrorless with that today no problem.
@cunning urchin are you inhuman
cunning urchin
@rapid rose I use OBS Studio for recordings and streams.
river wing
hestia just carried me for my first 32 run. ❤️ hestia
cunning urchin
I also did 32 mirrorless with Guan Yu today lol.
river wing
😮
cunning urchin
And Excalibur.
still vigil
I could see that
stark ore
Man I need to use GY more
cunning urchin
And Chiron.
river wing
not human at all
still vigil
Also grats
river wing
totally a cat
stark ore
Technically Arthur just nullifies the loss of Thick Skin 
rapid rose
@rapid rose I use OBS Studio for recordings and streams.
@cunning urchin thanks
cunning urchin
Only weapon that's left is shield.
still vigil
Do zeus
stark ore
^
river wing
i see your victory post. oh man. HL with GY
river wing
haha
stark ore
Run High Confidence and Level 1 GY, now you're cooking
stark ore
I actually still have my GY at level 1
proven osprey
i see your victory post. oh man. HL with GY
@river wing It's because you did not get to watch the other attempts
stark ore
Wait I gotta see how much health I get
river wing
isn't it 15 health
proven osprey
I can't imagine streaming GY 40 heat
stark ore
15 health 
stark ore
Doing no-heat with this because I'm a coward
river wing
i imagine athena legendary would help so much on this
river wing
but a true no hit run would be insane
stark ore
Should I be allowed to pick up health actually?
proven osprey
why would you
stark ore
That's the spirit
river wing
health isn't going to help you if you dont' get hit
stark ore
I'm on switch so this is before the buff too lmfao
cunning urchin
Link is in #self-promotion. 
magic stone
32 heat is so hard
proven osprey
Play Chiron
stark ore
God I hate how the meme GY run might actually win
magic stone
How would Rama Athena special go with Ares and Athena duo aspect?
stark ore
Pretty sure the Doom doesn't work with Shared Suffering
Did the thing #h1-victory-boasting
frank dew
@magic stone i doubt it would work out very well that said doom on the rama special is quite decent extra dmg when you just want to set up the suffering
hard kelp
ive been trying to do a run with gian yu. i heard art special build is the way to go, but i don't know what else goes into the build if anything. anyone have any ideas?
stark ore
I’d recommend Deadly/Divine Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, and Charged Skewer. That’s the basics, but stuff like movement speed always helps too
rapid rose
i just died to astreus and i was on sub 8 mins feels bad
stark ore
Spin hammers also help a ton but special builds are usually the way to go unless you’re running the glassiest of cannons
i just died to astreus and i was on sub 8 mins feels bad
Oof, sorry about that
finite siren
I have started unlocking hidden aspects in the game, tried out Excalibur a fair bit, it's super fun
Idk if it's a good weapon at all but pairing it with poseidon attack to knock foes into stuff felt good
cunning urchin
Excalibur is really good, yeah.
I'd go for Trippy Flare if you want to take Stygian Soul.
unborn pebble
Good point.
Ohhhh
I could try for the Athena-Aphrodite-Artemis combo...
Deflect Attack, Crush Shot Cast, Crit Special
cunning urchin
You'd want Infernal Soul for Passion Flare, though.
The cast will just drop after the Dragon Rush, so you can pick it up almost right away.
cunning urchin
So Stygian Soul would slow you down.
unborn pebble
The reason why I'm iffy about Trippy Shot is that there seems to be a delay on the casts firing?
pliant anvil
not with beowulf iirc
dusty ridge
tried hidden fists with ares attack, athena dash and ares-athena duo + doom buffs
damn, it hits hard
didn't lose a single dd the whole run and the last boss didn't even get to use ||his lasers, his green pots or pretty much anything during phase 2||
turbid needle
i played a few runs with EM3 and deactivated it. asterius unlocked a new attack on the basic fight ? 🤔
unborn pebble
So that AphroCast+ArtySpec+AthenAttack build I talked about? I have all of them by room 23 and got Heart Rend as my 3rd boon in the run xD
dull oak
guys
unborn pebble
?
dull oak
gonna do 32 heat for skelly prize
unborn pebble
Ohhhhhh
dull oak
what should i do
river wing
Nice
unborn pebble
Hmm...
dull oak
gloves of gilgames btw)
turbid needle
@river wing i mean i've seen a new attack on the basic fight (extreme measure turned off), after more like 150runs lol
unborn pebble
yeah, I haven't even used it once, no idea xD
river wing
Could go plume + zag aspect. Very forgiving, but rely on rng for good boons.
turbid needle
||he was rushing toward theseus and there was a massive shockwave||
river wing
Yea. Qbst. I know
dull oak
bruh is just the same gloves but with Q+space it does a scratch on enemy
that makes me do more dmg to them
and when it expires it does 100 dmg
river wing
Hmm. Not having it maxed out is a pretty big diff imo
Maybe max it out first before trying for runs?
dusty ridge
those gloves also add to your number of dash
and make the enemy deal more dmg to you too
I just did a run with those with the ares athena combo
dusty ridge
I think I'd go artemis atk with aphro spe or something
dull oak
huh
dusty ridge
I tried athena attack, and while it was't the most practical it was really fun against witches
truly feel like you baseball back their orbs
river wing
Arthur sword is strong. Can be hard with FO tho
dusty ridge
fo?
dusty ridge
also, keep in mind that the dash strike with this sword is more than usable, and you can dash mid-combo to complete the combo elsewhere
dash-striking with your big attack feels good
river wing
Forced overtime
untold iris
you can do 32 heat with any weapon as long as you're comfortable with it
its probably easier to do with a ranged weapon, but really what is more important is how good you personally feel you are with the weapon
pale sinew
if I go Hera bow, Trippy Shot + Demeter duo, does that trigger Privileged Status on the explosion or no?
river wing
Trippy isn't a curse.
unborn pebble
It would, however, do that if you had Dio Attack as well.
pale sinew
The initial burst would be amplified by PS ?
unborn pebble
It fires in sequence
So every shot after the first should, theoretically, get PS if the target was also hit with an attack.
pale sinew
ah
waxen comet
Ice Wine has a delay before striking, oddly enough.
At least with Beowulf's Aegis, it does
unborn pebble
Oh, remind me, does the initial hit to proc PS nclude the PS damage boost?
Ohhhh, that's the one I was thinking of for Delays on Beo!
waxen comet
Ice Wine takes a moment to hit in general
It isn't an arcing projectile, it just explodes where it's aimed after a moment
waxen comet
Yeah, sounds about right
unborn pebble
But there are a wide array of inconsistencies with Ice Wine
For Example, Ice Wine seems to have a slightly shorter range than Trippy itself
AND this gets even more pronounced (as in worsened) if you pick up the Hermes Infernal Soul Speedy-Cast boon.
Auto-Cast or whatever it is called
Far as I can tell the range reduction is around 10% for normal Ice Wine and 30%-40% if you have Ice Wine+Rapid Cast
Which is weird
Also, the delay on Ice Wine, I wonder if they could code it to recognise if you're Beowulfing/Hera Bowing or not?
And remove the delays at those points?
Hmm, is Papa Hades considered an Olympian God for Family Favourites?
opal lodge
no
waxen comet
He's Cthonic.
unborn pebble
Asking because I've hit +30% damage bonus with 4 gods, Hermes, and Chaos.
opal lodge
for anyone wondering by the way, unyielding defense gives you sturdy as soon as you press cast
dragon rush not required
unborn pebble
Ohhh
opal lodge
chaos does not count toward FF
opal lodge
5 gods + hermes is 30
its been confirmed that chaos does not count
its olympians only
unborn pebble
I'mma finish the current run and check my records
(also, just crit with Beo Crushing Shot for 2879)
Life is good.
bright sandal
First time I got Rush Delivery and I had Hyper Sprint and snagged up Greater Haste later on, all at epic quality. It's insane, I literally do like 240% dmg bonus if my math is right and it took a mediocre run to god tier, I don't think I'm ever getting a Hermes synergy this good again.
The stars aligned for this run
opal lodge
if you have hyper sprint you always high roll second hermes for rush delivery
its too good not to
bright sandal
Yeah, first time getting Rush Delivery, I've been missing out
Although I literally run so fast it's throwing me off, ain't a problem when my enemies die quicker though XD
unborn pebble
Wait, IS THAT how Rush Delivery Works?!?
All your Move Speed %-age bonuses double as damage bonuses? Is this just Attacks or does it include Specials, Casts, and Calls too?!?
bright sandal
Assuming so since the wording is just all damage
I think I have the best possible bonus to that with the all epic boon Hermes boon combo so you can get up to 240% dmg with some luck
But even a common Hyper Sprint with a common Rush Delivery is like an easy 150%
teal juniper
also means that speed boost consumable from the well that's like 20 obols is a free 20% damage
bright sandal
Wow, that run was insane, I literally melted Hades in less than two minutes and beat my PB by 4 minutes. And the OPness didnt kick in until halfway through and my weapon's at lvl 1.
Guess I'm never beating that lmao
teal juniper
ah you'll always get quicker, and the stars always align in one way or another
unborn pebble
Yup. My first complete run on this save is also my fastest.
Turns out that getting Exploding Launcher on the spear at room 2, putting the Poseidon Special on it, followed by later getting Seastorm and an Epic Special Speed increaser makes for a REALLY fast run.
split orbit
When you end a rum with 3 duos but only one that you wanted-.-
unborn pebble
oof
tall yarrow
I got my first 32 heat clear 😄
proven osprey
Congrats
tall yarrow
felt cheesy. I got 6 casts with 1.7 sec cast drop time on Hera
And 5 dashes so I could just dash through whatever danger to get to my bloodstone lol
opal lodge
hey you take what you get
unborn pebble
Quick question, the Aphro-Athena duo boon, does that mean that all casts can backstab OR does it simply mean that the Backstab boosters are always on?
opal lodge
all casts can backstab
aside from dio cast
but you cant be offered parting shot if you have dio cast anyway
radiant carbon
Hello everyone !
I have a question : the deadelus affect called 'Reinforced spear' or something like that (who change the Special to shot like a bow) make the spear come back on the shot or not ?
I'm sorry for my bad english ...
radiant carbon
Maybe my request is not clear...
mighty ermine
Hello everyone !
I have a question : the deadelus affect called 'Reinforced spear' or something like that (who change the Special to shot like a bow) make the spear come back on the shot or not ?
I'm sorry for my bad english ...
do you mean exploding launcher for spear? If so, it removes the special recall; you only need to toss it out, and it explodes on impact
still vigil
or charged skewer?
mighty ermine
Yeah, if you mean charged skewer you do need to recall it still on non-GY spears
proven osprey
I wish I could recall my fireworks
still vigil
that would probably make it a beginner's fave tbh if it did that
and probably reallly strong
finite socket
Recalling Fireworks would be too much since it has a higher base damage than the normal Spear special
solid cairn
it's more effort for like a single urge to kill difference in damage
solid cairn
at high heats you have AP making it harder to get a status curse
solid cairn
and they nerfed it for some reason
though I think that was when it was the only option
proven osprey
to be fair
it can be ez to proc it with a dash
Retrash 45 GY run had demeter special and a curse dash if I recall correctly
but yeah, no athena dash
split orbit
Yo... crystal beam runs are heard in the beginning
proven osprey
it's not the top cast either
pliant anvil
yeah, crystal is more of a meme tbh
ripe glade
wow.. got 15 mins run with aspect of gilgamesh.. wasnt even trying for a speedrun.. but wow.. so overpowered that aspect..
pliant anvil
congrats!
pliant anvil
Demeter covers fists early weakness of low damage/fast attacks, but talos allows you to run a cast build/artemis attack, and gives you some range
both are good though, I personally prefer demeter especially with some of the special hammers
stiff jacinth
Sounds good to me. I want to play with some non-G fists s'more
I've tried Talos a bit in the past but haven't experimented with Demeter much
but I do like punching dudes
tranquil violet
Crystal is only a meme if you don't get the Art/Dem duo
And also use Stygian soul and get extra casts
Then it's just stupid and fun
still vigil
FO2 really hurts
pliant anvil
Yeah, it takes getting used to. I recommend doing FO1 first, and get comfortable with it, then go to FO2 if you want a gentler learning curve
ripe glade
playing with that build too.. I really do like the Dem cast builds.. just not getting the hang of it.. I have to get out of my agrresive style gameplay mode
frail narwhal
does cold embrace have any use?
I feel it's more finnicky than normal crystal beam
torpid abyss
So, i got an odd situation for my run
I got quick spin
Should i get massive spin or winged serpent
untold iris
big spin = better spin
torpid abyss
I picked winged serpent cuz i have athena attack
rare kayak
talos is pretty fun
but i wish i could pull more than one enemy at a time
although that would probably make it overtuned
but it would be fun
frail schooner
what does poseidon special do on talos lol
solid cairn
It pushes them back
pliant anvil
lets you get some decent use from rupture too
river wing
how does it make rupture better?
pliant anvil
It's not so much that it's "better" but because it forces the enemy to be constantly moving, either away from you or towards you.
river wing
i don't understand
pliant anvil
rupture deals damage whenever the enemy moves, for any reason.
river wing
o. hmm
pliant anvil
talos lets you pull the enemy, meaning you don't have to chase them.
cunning ibex
i just found out that twin shot goes really well with Rama
pliant anvil
yean twin shot and the triple spread shot are both pretty good
triple is harder to aim though
rocky iris
Does mirage shot work with hera aspect and trippy flare?
Because that would be nasty
I'm gonna pick it and find out
1.8K damage without any cast modifiers and all 3 casts loaded. Trippy flare boon gives 331 damage
That can't be right
barren otter
it should work
rocky iris
I definitely got a damage boost out of it, but idk what it was previously.
pliant anvil
yeah, it does work. It can be hard to tell though outside of the damage boost on flares
humble steppe
ive been doing runs for days looking for Spread Fire enchantment @_@ its only incompatible with aspect of lucifer right? hestia and eris should work?
cunning ibex
i have made a major mistake
i took explosive shot with rama
it's...so...slow
4 seconds to fully charge
humble steppe
nvm i literally just found spread fire after my like millionth run with the rail
holy god that sounds so painful and hilarious
does it at least obliterate?
stark ore
Take Twin Shot for the ultimate "Beeg Hits" build
stark ore
Wait per hit or Power Shot?
stark ore
cunning ibex
doing powershot would be suicide
stark ore
Well it's super easy you just have to have 4 seconds in a good spot where you can't get hurt
Easy...right?
cunning ibex
This is like a meme run
humble steppe
def easy. if i was maid dusa i would simply charge
gray shore
just play on FO-2
gray shore
so what's power shot?
cunning ibex
eh nvm i think that was just added damage
gray shore
think you need perfect shot
cunning ibex
no clue. maybe ill try if i get a lucky styx room
gray shore
cunning ibex
tried just for you buddy
892 on power shot
that was without shared suffering
oh wait
numbers aren't entirely accurate
i forgot i took cyclops jerkyt
humble steppe
the num nums
gray shore
892 is good enough for me
frail schooner
@cunning ibex i did pretty good with explosive triple shot on rama
just use dash strike and don’t charge it up like, ever
melee weapon
humble steppe
smack em with the bow
frail schooner
yeah
just get up real close
that’s why they gave u 2 dashes 1 to dash strike and 1 to run away
frail schooner
Ruthless reflex lol
humble steppe
this is the run. this is the one
cunning ibex
my favorite run ever was the one where my dash was extreamly powerful and i beat hades without ever firing my weapon
humble steppe
lord
cunning ibex
okay i can now confirm
even without the jerky my bow can do up to 800 damage per shot
power shot*
frail schooner
now beat hades with only revenge effects and stubborn roots
i guess that one duo boon would also work if no stubborn roots
cunning ibex
wow that was intense
had to quickly cut down phase 1 before the 8 casts he threw out went off
frail schooner
you can kill them
especially with rama lol
tbh tho i want hades’s cast
i guess igneus eden special is kind of close?
cunning ibex
hades is dead
humble steppe
goodbye old man
now that i got the final hammer enchantment i can play any wpn... and i have a sudden hankering 4 rama
the big slappy
tacit void
How do you even make ||Aspect of Lucifer|| work?
It feels really janky and lackluster.
Maybe Zeus goons to boost Attack?
cunning ibex
Lucifer is pretty good at it's job
tacit void
I can't seem to make the Special work.
cunning ibex
use the special on enemies that are standing still, use attack on the enemies that are still moving
humble steppe
my best experience with lucy was with the triple beam one and poseidons attack. push everything away and give rupture
cunning ibex
the special is strange and that you do not want it to explode
the AoE damage is much more useful then the explosion is
at least, how i use it
humble steppe
if somethings next to the ball sometimes gun will lock onto the enemy instead
i hadnt thought of that i mostly use the aoe for torturing skelly
tacit void
The pulse damage seems pretty good for applying Doom, especially with the radius upgrade.
But it explodes on me constantly.
I guess this weapon is a passive weapon that uses DoT to grind enemies down?
royal helm
Triple Shot/Explosive Shot might be some of my favorite combo of hammers
pliant anvil
I highly recommend the "faster ramp up" hammer if you can find it too
humble steppe
ramp up goes so hard
royal helm
Granted, you don't even need Explosive Shot on Rama... all three just wreck
pliant anvil
and take divine flourish on luci to have balls of steel deflect
pliant anvil
also, triple special is pretty useful on luci with divine flourish too
pliant anvil
yeah, and like all rails (except hestia) benefit from zeus
tacit void
||Beowulf|| with Blade Rift and a bunch of Blade Rift upgrades is seriously fun to use.
pliant anvil
Get charged shot and it becomes like playing a safer hera tbh
tacit void
Yep.
open heron
how does rush kick go with demeter fists?
pliant anvil
which makes it a pretty good hammer for demeter fists
river wing
It's not amazing imo. Dash upper is 40 base.
with the kick, youre doing one extra hit of 40.
pliant anvil
It's also got better range IIRC
river wing
Compared to the other special stuff i mean
Seems to be weakest out of the hammer for special on Demeter
pliant anvil
eh, I guess.
cunning urchin
It doesn't do two hits on Dash-Upper.
river wing
yea. that's what i meant.
pliant anvil
Yeah, 1 hit wouldn't make too much when using demeter anyways
muted onyx
Is Rama bad or am I just newbie?
cunning urchin
The latter.
rare kayak
rush kick is fun because you can fling yourself mega far
river wing
rama is harder to use than the other bow aspects imo. takes abit of getting used to.
it's amazing tho, esp with the right hammers
tranquil violet
I don't really get how to use shared suffering effectively
It seems kinda secondary to the other changes with Rama
By the time I could actually use it stuff is usually dead so I generally just use it as a debuff on a single target
The "shared" aspect seems kinda useless?
I mean it's nice when it procs but I don't find myself building around using it
royal helm
lulwat... Rama is useless? 👀
You just throw it up on everything... because it's +60% damage...
Except Numbskulls, I guess. They tend to die immediately
And in damage control, you're forced to special everything first
mellow warren
rama with zeus on special is pretty good, just spam special, but this build does make shared suffering kinda useless.
what are good builds to use its full potential?
river wing
heart rend as usual. XD
opal lodge
heart rend or splitting headache
frank dew
Splitting headache doesnt really suit it imo way too much set up for a slow attacking weapon
opal lodge
oh heart rend is definitely superior
splitting headache just helps with other stuff on higher heat, namely DC hearts n such
frank dew
DC hearts?
half crater
damage control hearts; the heat pact that grant invulnerability shields to enemies
frank dew
Ah
half crater
the other advantage of splitting headache is that dio on special is kinda just better than aphro on special for rama
just looking at the special by itself anyway
dusty ridge
so it would be dio/aphro on special and artemis on attack?
half crater
yup
frank dew
Well you could run aphrodite on attack and Artemis special but generally you would want the debuff on first
dusty ridge
likewise, I only spammed special with rama
half crater
the other option is aphro attack + zeus special -> smouldering air
i’m pretty sure everyone started out just spamming special with rama lol
i know i did
turns out the attack is like, real good tho
frank dew
You can also go Poseidon attack zeus special and demeter something makes your attack apply 2 debuffs and lets both special and attack benefit from zeus boons
frank dew
I think the special spam is just how you start with rama untill you get used to it
dusty ridge
which hammer upgrades for rama?
half crater
twin/triple + point blank is the ideal setup
opal lodge
or perfect
frank dew
Explosive is great but so slow
half crater
indeed
dusty ridge
am I correct to think that shared suffering is pretty much useless against boss?
opal lodge
no
frank dew
No
half crater
no
opal lodge
the bosses also take the +60%
frank dew
It always increases dmg
dusty ridge
oh, forgot about that
half crater
the extra damage also applies to anything directly hit by the attack
frank dew
Besides most Bosses have adds
half crater
so even against single targets it’s a 60% damage boost
half crater
yeah
royal helm
shared suffering... useless in the same sentence
one of the few damage multipliers in the game
silk hearth
damage multiplier 
dusty ridge
I forgot there was that too
silk hearth
now that ive done eris imma try guan yu now
dusty ridge
I did guan yu with focus on special
dusty ridge
for hammer: charged special is awesome, for special I went with artemis + whatever crit buffs I could find
silk hearth
so it plays like a ranged weapon then
dusty ridge
the special got a really nice range and base damage
silk hearth
if u focus on special only
dusty ridge
pretty much, or at least that's how I did it
dusty ridge
not sure if it's weaker (didn't do the math) but you don't need to tag the target
also doable with aphro special
silk hearth
aphro special arti attack>
dusty ridge
better base damage (less powerful if you get the support boons from artemis for artemis special) and you get the weak debuff
dusty ridge
I barely used attack on my run
but maybe demeter on attack would be good if the slow down is enough for the enemies to get hit more times by the spin
for more regen
dusty ridge
I think it's 1 heal/hit iirc
dusty ridge
so the total heal will depend of how many hits and how many enemies
and if you plan to use the spin heal, try to get the hammer upgrade
silk hearth
oo
dusty ridge
either for faster charge, longer flight time, bigger spin
silk hearth
ye i dont think ill use spin that much
dusty ridge
to hit more more easily
silk hearth
not as cool as dash striking
dusty ridge
yeah, didn't really use it either, too clunky for me
silk hearth
that too
dusty ridge
that's also why I like guan yu special over other spears, you don't have to fetch it back
opal lodge
spinning is a trap
GY your attack sequence is usually just dash strike (x2) into special
either arty attack/special + aphro attack/special + heart rend is pretty good
opal lodge
yeah that's one way to do it i suppose
proven osprey
loop
dusty ridge
speaking about duo, I tried the ares athena duo on gilgamesh fists
it was awesome
melted the last boss in his second phase, he didn't even get to use ||his lasers or his green pots||
proven osprey
Merciful End effective on fists, who would have known 
dusty ridge
I felt like a bully lmao
calm bluff
Is there a run people use the mirror bonus gold per level clear? I tried it earlier and it just didn't feel impactful
silk hearth
if u spend ur money in shops its not gonna be useful
river wing
Can be used for farm final shop or for hoarding slash memes.
silk hearth
yea
calm bluff
True. Was having a bad run so had to buy from shops
I do like buying the big reward from the end shop, and the higher legendary/duoat the end is nice.
Might experiment with it more
river wing
By farm i really meant. Diamond/blood
calm bluff
Yeah definitely need diamonds that's for sure. Lol
proven osprey
gotta buy these sweet songs
calm bluff
I still need to unlock the infernal gates or w/e. Not to mention the relationship stuff.
remote holly
ez aspects for bow/railgun? (and maybe boon combos?) struggling with it atm at ~10 heat
cunning urchin
Chiron and Eris.
For Chiron, there are three great combos:
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Heart Rend
Heartbreak Strike, Drunken Flourish, Low Tolerance
Deadly Strike, Drunken Flourish, Splitting Headache
Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
For Eris:
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Sea Storm
remote holly
tyty :)
warped lion
Anyone hahe some nice build for eternal spear? It's my least favourite weapon but I need this Fate quest to be done
olive spruce
aphro special
divine dash + blinding flash
almost doesn't matter what your other boons are
I like to use the Zagreus aspect and focus on the special a lot
but getting athena/demeter on the attack is great too
if you're talking about the fourth aspect minor prophecy then I play it similarly, works pretty well
calm bluff
I really like poseidon's stuff on mooks but it's hard to use when it comes to bosses lol
I think I might try to do a poseidon everything else and athena attack build
olive spruce
what if you did a sea storm build?
calm bluff
that doesn't sound too bad
i like fists so i'm experimenting with what is good on them
olive spruce
I had a fun Gilgamesh fists run with Aphro attack earlier today
but it's very different from the other aspects
calm bluff
Don't got any of the hidden aspects unlocked. RNG of conversations and all that
olive spruce
hmm, fair enough
it took me a while to get the first hidden aspect unlocked and all the others came a lot faster after that
calm bluff
Although I'm someone that mashes the attack button and forgets the other buttons exist so lol
well other than dash
olive spruce
lightning fists are the obvious recommendation
works super well if you get all of the Zeus boons
calm bluff
I did an Ares run with fists and it didn't go as well as I hoped. Although my attack boon was common so, probably had something to do with it.
olive spruce
lightning strike, static discharge, storm lightning, high voltage, splitting bolt
calm bluff
I got the poseidon + ares duo boon on the cast and it just kinda... murdered everything for me.
olive spruce
ares would be too slow for the damage to take effect
undone anvil
I had a spear run yesterday with Artemis boons, + crit chance on both the attack and the special were the first two boons I got
during normal chambers it melts enemies but I struggled against bosses and eventually lost to ||Hades||
calm bluff
Full artemis build on Zagreus aspect on bow is just
chef's kiss
I used to not like the bow but that 2 attacks in one Daedalus upgrade is just. The best.
undone anvil
that was my build for my 2nd ever successful clear
calm bluff
Finding out each hit is separate so it accidentally becomes an armored enemy killer is so nice.
undone anvil
2 attacks in one, hold attack to shoot in succession, + crit chance
I could just sit in a corner and hold down attack
calm bluff
My first clear was athena and demeter's duo boon carrying me hard
I don't even remember what the other boons were
Stubborn Roots just kept me alive long enough to finish
And I've never needed it since
Well except for the runs I failed but if I won all the time the game would be boring
undone anvil
I found that the game in general has a pretty steep learning curve but once you get over it you get way more confidence
I beat ||Hades|| for the first time on my 29th run after making it to the chamber but coming up short a bunch of times
calm bluff
I feel like the wall is at the 3rd level's boss
undone anvil
then I got 3 clears back to back
calm bluff
Like as soon as I got that boss fight down, I just started getting to the 4th level and beating it after 1-2 tries.
undone anvil
that was like 2 days ago and I'm at 6 clears now playing on and off throughout the day
calm bluff
I don't trust the well in my room but I think I got my first clear around 10-15 escapes?
Once I stoppped unlocking weapons and actually focused on my mirror my runs significantly improved xD
undone anvil
you can ||check the archives if you bought the upgrade||
||it keeps a pretty detailed summary of your runs||
calm bluff
True, I should go do that
Huh, run 12.
...it definitely felt like I bashed my head against the wall far more than that
Build of my first escape
undone anvil
you got me wondering what mine was now hold on
lemme see if I can get away with booting the game at work lol
calm bluff
lol
undone anvil
well nvm, apparently I stopped playing mid-run so I can't check right now lmao
undone anvil
the big bros
elfin nova
Planning on trying a shield build later on as it and the spear are my most unused weapons. Anyone got a solid shield build I could try?
gray shore
what shields do you have unlocked
dusty ridge
try special spam with zeus special and a few lighnting buffs
fair plinth
jesus
tried EM4 for the first time and I'm getting my ass kicked
broken spearpoint feels mandatory, or the multi swings just decimates me
still estuary
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vague ermine
finite socket
Depends, what weapon
gray shore
broken spearpoint feels mandatory, or the multi swings just decimates me
@fair plinth Spearpoint or Acorn are generally the options if final boss is a struggle
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
proven osprey
or hades pulse yeah
olive spruce
@elfin nova ares special, athena attack/dash, merciful end duo boon
also helps to get impending doom and dire misfortune from ares, but
even without it's still great
elfin nova
Oh I could unlock either of the 2nd or 3rd aspects. I don’t have Beo unlocked cause I haven’t used it.
primal hazel
All shield aspects are awesome
olive spruce
I also tried zeus on special and that worked great too
elfin nova
I just ran a similar build on Zag Sword last night and was hilarious as always. Would I use shield Toss to dot everything and dash or attack to slap the dooms off?
Then reapply and what not
primal hazel
Depends on the shield
elfin nova
I’ve read often that Chaos Aspect doesn’t really show off it’s true potential until level 4/5. Is that the case? Or can I get a decent idea for it before this?
primal hazel
Chaos is just bull rushing and shot gunning empowered specials while staying close
Until level 5 yeah
elfin nova
Figured yeah
primal hazel
You can use it on low heats with a lower level but it feels awful
Also never pick dread flight
elfin nova
I’ve honestly played so little with the shield that I’m not sure what that hammer does.
primal hazel
Makes the shield bounce more
But as longs as it bounces you cant bull rush and attack
elfin nova
Only time I played with shield that I can remember was a Poseidon attack run I did and wall slammed everything
primal hazel
Also the bounce is a bit jank and sometimes it'll just take longer to return for no reason
elfin nova
Yeah that does sound familiar
primal hazel
It just fs up your damage rotation
elfin nova
Yeah that makes sense. I’ll have to give it a shot later for sure.
primal hazel
Best of luck
I can dump you a suggestion of builds
keen hazel
dread flight would be dope if you could still swing your shield around while waiting like with the zeus aspect
thats my only complaint about it
olive spruce
dread flight seems to make the shield bounce faster to me
but nobody else seems to think it's a good hammer pick
keen hazel
it probably does bounce slightly faster but it still ends up taking longer because of the extra hits
primal hazel
It doesn't
Also it bounces through the room senselessly sometimes
The tracking is junk
olive spruce
interesting
keen hazel
they probably hit up the wow devs for shield bouncing design tips tbh
primal hazel
Aaaayy
keen hazel
you got trolled fam
proven osprey
"Sure Astaos I can help you with chaos"
keen hazel
its fun but its not actually good
primal hazel
Same as "take tempest strike with gy"
proven osprey
really ?
primal hazel
If helping you means only being able to attack every minute
Sure
proven osprey
Tempest Gy has to be my worst completed run ever
primal hazel
Tempest strike bro and dread flight chaos have prolly been the worst runs of my life
Ngl
primal hazel
Cause you dread the flight
proven osprey
the advice was "stay away from 4 bounces hammer"
proven osprey
you're right it's totally their fault
primal hazel
Why would you have even assumed otherwise
calm bluff
when you forget to swap boons and your run starts with your usual instead of the build you were trying to make, and you try in vain to still make the build but poseidon only wants you to have money, darkness and gems
silk hearth
its reroll time
calm bluff
i won the run, with 25% hp remaining and 0 death defiances but uh
yeah
that was hard
dusty ridge
how do you build zeus shield?
calm bluff
Also, if you're going for duo boons, is it better to save money until the end or hit every shop you see?
I feel like legendary/duo boon happens more open on level 4 but iunno if that's just me
dusty ridge
use the right mirror perk, and I'd say just go for any boon of the gods you're interested in
calm bluff
Mmkay, I'm gonna start doing that more often then
primal hazel
Saving up is only worth it if you're farming final shop ressources
Money rooms are important
calm bluff
What if it's hermes or money?
dusty ridge
question about ferocious guard and zeus shield
if I guard while the blitz disc is flying, will the disc get the damage increase?
primal hazel
What if it's hermes or money?
@calm bluff depends honestly if you need something concrete
Build specifics have priority obvs
calm bluff
That's fair. Suppose I should take money rooms more often if it's not a boon I'm using in my build
primal hazel
I mean as long as you have money you can take shops
Which means you don't have to fight and can still get stuff
Well if you have a chaos boon or can't earn money through a chaos boon that's a bit different ofc
But for a limited number of rooms
On high heats you even take shops when you don't have the money
Bc free room
cunning urchin
Shop prices are a good gauge for what chamber rewards to prioritize.
primal hazel
^
proven osprey
I'm having a Zeus aspect run featuring lady artemis special, support fire and deadly reversal
It's so much fun
primal hazel
Well that's your problem
proven osprey
You are right buddy
silk hearth
and with cf
proven osprey
should not listen to stones
primal hazel
If it's boons I want? I'll take those
Maybe some hearts at the beginning
But otherwise money gives you access to buying stuff without the risk of losing health/saving time
dusty ridge
I feel betrayed by empowering flight on zeus shield, text is misleading
primal hazel
Which is especially valuable at TD3
silk hearth
ehh
primal hazel
Even then it's free room
primal hazel
Look m8 you can have different preferences
But there's no knocking my points imo
Or maybe there is
Queue @cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Shop can give you 2-3 gold laurel rewards.
I take shops just because it's faster most of the time lol.
primal hazel
Are you my call? Because I've been in combat for a long time and you're helping me out
proven osprey
Not to mention Charon's natural talent for conversation
silk hearth
what r gold laurel rewards o.o
primal hazel
...
gray shore
You have blue laurel rooms which give metaresources
and gold laurel rooms which give in-run resources
primal hazel
That was my bouldy cosplay
And my ted talk
silk hearth
so how do u get gold from the shop
proven osprey
Gghuhhhhh...
cunning urchin
proven osprey
and that was my charon
silk hearth
idk never fought him
primal hazel
How can you argue about shops with me and don't even know what the difference between laurels are
silk hearth
i mean
cunning urchin
You can buy 2-3 from those at the shop if you have the money.
cunning urchin
The other chamber can give you at most 2 from a trial.
primal hazel
Well I'm sry then
silk hearth
hmm yea
with cf2 its quite hard to get 2-3 tho
u need about 500 gold
taking one shop is fine but i dont see much reason to take two except to save time
primal hazel
And life
primal hazel
Oh I'm sry I don't know your mirror set up
silk hearth
true
unborn pebble
Ok, I have a question I really need an answer to. I got Exclusive Access. Pick up Demeter and go for that with Hera Bow, hoping I get Artemis soon from keepsake? Was intending a Zeus-Dio-Arty build but that got shot when Chaos Screwed me on the downside for my cast...
I.E. hidden rooms. Everything else would've killed me.
Already got Trippy Shot, so Demeter or Nah?
primal hazel
As long as there is still a 1 under your keepsake it hasn't expired it's forcing effect yet
unborn pebble
And that would still offer an Arty-boon
But still only up to 4 gods (Hermes excluded) unless your doors are already generated and/or a shop offers two different gods to fill your 4th?
primal hazel
Ofc If the use hasn't expired it hasn't forced yet
unborn pebble
Thanks. Time to gamble!
primal hazel
I dunno why hidden room rewards would force the way the slot system works
cunning urchin
I.E. hidden rooms. Everything else would've killed me
Why?
silk hearth
dmg on cast maybe
cunning urchin
Can't kill you. You'll keep 1 HP.
silk hearth
suffering is not fun
primal hazel
Suffering?
proven osprey
suffering is what's keeping me on the game
silk hearth
if thats what u like
primal hazel
How is playing 4 rooms, in I'm assuming tartarus,without casts suffering ?
silk hearth
i would just stick with the 1 hp
primal hazel
Ikik hera but it's doable
proven osprey
it's like using nukes but with a bow
primal hazel
It's okay
Its playing vanilla bow
proven osprey
allowing you to leave your mark on the ecosystem
silk hearth
^
gray shore
it's like using nukes but with a bow
@proven osprey who is the god of nukes, I wonder
proven osprey
hmm
primal hazel
Nucleus
gray shore
.<
primal hazel
You set me up for that
vapid sundial
hey i have 30 titan blood to spend and wanna try a new wepon i stuck to zagreas fists and chiron bow and got to heat 10 with them any wepon and aspect recommendations
primal hazel
Invest blood in an apsect
Try it
As long as you don't leave to your room it won't save what you bought when you give up a run
gray shore
try before you buy xD
but you do have to give up the run if you don't want it, even if you were gonna win
primal hazel
Just unwrap it and put it back in the wrapper without the shopkeeper knowing
gray shore
who's even the shopkeeper of titan blood anyway
primal hazel
I mean
If you outright win the run I'd assume the aspect is at least passable
For you
primal hazel
vapid sundial
man of many words
primal hazel
Man? I'm thoroughly triggered
vapid sundial
😳
primal hazel
Yes
vapid sundial
the dude with the bouldy pfp
gray shore
you win again @primal hazel
vapid sundial
i assume its bouldy helping the community
primal hazel
Exactly
proven osprey
we have more than one bouldy
gray shore
damn your eternal helpfulness
vapid sundial
ur appreciated too high priest
gray shore
thank you!
primal hazel
we have more than one bouldy
@proven osprey false gods
gray shore
you are very kind
primal hazel
Priest and me are one
So if on doing thunder flourish on rama, tempest strike also? Or stick to artemis and take pos dash?
primal hazel
Sea storm
proven osprey
woohoo
primal hazel
Idk thought for additional triggers with double strike
proven osprey
artemis all the way
primal hazel
Ok then :(
robust anchor
:(
rotund lily
guys if i wanna build ares cast build, beowolf or maby any other shield\
rotund lily
thx
unborn pebble
Ok, Achilles Spear with Flurry Jab, Artemis Attack, Athena Special, Art-Ath Duo, Demeter Cast, Art-Dem Duo.
Second hammer offers Serrated Point, Triple Jab, and Breaching Skewer.
Should I just go for the Dash Attack and Crit-Fest?
proven osprey
yeah
devout ether
I had a strikingly similar build yesterday
Always take Serrated Point there
Hope for GR+3
unborn pebble
I've had almost this exact build before, just with some non-core Dio support boons in the back
Yeah. That, Athena Dash, and Rapid Cast would allow me to just special-rush, dump the casts, special, rush, and then dash crit erry day...
Speaking of, there's Hermes!!!
Is +1 Dash still worth it?
Alt is Epic Spec Speed
unborn pebble
Ohhhh
It's the first!
But I really want Flurry Cast
I do have Demeter, hope for Rare Crop? :V
devout ether
You could go full greed and not take GR here, but you gotta save all your rerolls for second hermes in that case
unborn pebble
I know that's happened pre 1.0, but that might not have been intended...
btw, Athena dash get xD
onyx iron
I think rare crop cant hit GR, btw
@devout ether I think this is true as well. I know for a fact that it can be made heroic by eurydice
devout ether
Then I must be wrong!
onyx iron
🤷 nah, I've never seen it happen either
I got confused actually, I read your message as "can" instead of "can't" lol
rare crop never hits the boons I want anyways :(
unborn pebble
Hehehe, never punished. Decided to take a "Loan" from Charon, used all my DDs but won with health to spare, got Soulcatcher as the Miniboss, and room after was a choice between Patroclus and who cares. FULL DDs BABEH!!!
Also, the reward for miniboss was Demeter and I now have Glacial Glare xD
And freaking Parting Shot in "Pre-BullKing Shop" xD
And then I fudge the fight with them, back to 1 DD :/
gray shore
rare crop never hits the boons I want anyways :(
@onyx iron Just get rare crop early lol
make that RNG work for YOU
unborn pebble
That moment when you go Dio Attack, Poseidon Dash, Exclusive Access, Dio Cast, and then Demeter says hi.
So many memes on my old save 😐
cunning urchin
Is +1 Dash still worth it?
Yes. Always.
rancid shard
+1 Dash or Hypersprint for 0.5?
open heron
Dashing is overrated. I pretty much never dash at high heat
rancid shard
yea i've been liking the hyper sprint and sturdiness from it
cunning urchin
lol dashing overrated.
Greatest Reflex for survivability. Hypersprint if you want to roll for Rush Delivery on the second boon.
unborn pebble
Aaaand win.
keen hazel
always a good day when you warm up with a sub 12 arthur
gray shore
Dashing is overrated. I pretty much never dash at high heat
@open heron That sounds impressive. Have you got any runs posted online?
copper totem
wel
after i see 1 build
i dont get any single of upgrades i was supposed to use
random pics best
mighty ermine
Dashing is overrated. I pretty much never dash at high heat
opal lodge
big moment
the question is if the game gives you epic dashes after you already have hypersprint do you roll for rush delivery
devout ether
Rush delivery is overrated, pass it on
keen hazel
rush delivery is in no way as good as people say thats for sure lol
odd quarry
I would say the dashes are more worth it than Rush, but any Uncommon or higher rarity on Rush or the boon supporting it makes it surprisingly good.
And if you get Epic Rush Delivery plus 30% on Greater Haste....free 30% damage on everything? Yes please.
keen hazel
which is not that much when tacked on to the other bonuses you more than likely have at that point
devout ether
If you're leaning on Hermes boons for damage, something has gone terribly wrong
Also, has anyone else noticed that Killing Freeze rare/epic/heroic tooltips have the incorrect stats? I mean specifically, common is 20 damage every 0.5 seconds, and epic says it deals 40 damage every 1 second
flat laurel
What would you say is the fastest build if you are only looking at clearing Tartarus? (I'm fishing for Megaera's affection interaction)
gray shore
- Go fists
- Do anything
=> It's the fastest
devout ether
The answer to any speed related question is always Eris Rail
mellow quest
lol no
dry ember
well not in this case. Eris Rail is a bit above average in Tartarus. it really picks up once you get seastorm + hammers