My early runs with Serrated Point on Guan Yu just always ended at Hades lol.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
vale raptor
So, would you recommend me to spend blood on Achilies or Hades?
opal lodge
achilles basically changes your whole playstyle
if you like casting give achilles a try
vale raptor
Then I probably should go with Hades.
opal lodge
haha there you go
spare flare
Achilles doesn't have to be for cast builds.
vale raptor
I usually forgot to cast, unless it's demeter's or Dio's
spare flare
It's just the best at them.
opal lodge
cool
spare flare
And if you're forgetting to cast, I found your problem.
Your damage is gonna' suck with pretty much anything without Boiling Blood.
vale raptor
I'm practicing and getting better with that
opal lodge
one good habit to get into
is if you see a tanky enemy spawning in
shoot the cast before they spawn
since it has travel time
tall yarrow
Even the default cast is worth using on enemy big enemy to apply the debuff
opal lodge
you lose nothing by doing it and its free damage + a debuff
tall yarrow
On a lot of runs I deliberately avoid dio and Demeter casts since they can’t stick
vale raptor
Yeah, i'll keep that in mind
tall yarrow
And unless you are building around it, they are more of a drawback
Dio can be good if you need aoe even if you aren’t doing a cast build otherwise but I really hate the Demeter cast most times
vale raptor
Then Ares' cast is not that good too?
tall yarrow
Yeah ares too. I don’t like it much either but I like it more than Demeter
Again since it helps with aoe
delicate urchin
they're good if you're going for cast carry builds
tall yarrow
Zeus is a nice happy medium since it can wipe out rooms even if the enemies are somewhat spread, and can still stick in bosses
It can backfire because it might not stick in what you want it to stick in
But not an issue with most bosses
spare flare
At least Ares' deals a lot of damage in a hurry and can pretty easily be built up into a beast.
tall yarrow
Yeah that’s what I mean, I think they are all good if you build for them, but I would never just take one of those on a whim
spare flare
Trippy Shot can get some easy support for extra effects, too.
delicate urchin
I did a 32 heat run with demeter but I got like lvl 13 cast with 4 bloods and auto tareget
tall yarrow
While Artemis cast is fine to take if you aren’t offered a better boon
spare flare
Demeter's, though, needs Crystal Clarity.
delicate urchin
yeah the chill makes demeter worth in a normal build if you need it
spare flare
Crystal Clarity is the Artemis and Demeter duo. It inproves the fire rate and tracking rate.
tall yarrow
I tried the Aphrodite duo which makes it point at you. That one is tough to use
vale raptor
Too much work, I'd prefer the auto-tracking one
spare flare
I've used it once, and it can be way, way strong.
But yes, generally, I prefer it to be fire-and-forget.
tall yarrow
I wish the Aphrodite one would let you drop the crystal where you aim but that would be too good haha
still vigil
So
Fer a person whose only played around with atk and special, what kinda cast build should I try first
still vigil
Kk I'll try tht
still vigil
Didn't get athena this run cause i forgot keepsake
So i got crush shot this run
I'm still gonna try phalanx
opal lodge
crush shot is big on hera
spare flare
Cast builds tend to be similar to other builds or go heavy on the Tempest stuff.
Sea Storm and Static Discharge alongside general Poseidon goodstuff make for heavy damage.
Get Flurry Cast for sure (sans Hera or Beowulf), get more bloodstones and/or super fast reloads from Chaos and Hermes, and from Artemis, Pressure Points helps, Support Fire is never a bad thing, and Exit Wounds is amazing as long as your bloodstones lodge.
opal lodge
uhh snow burst
snow burst + your cast
there's your cast build
pom both of em 2-3 times
you're good to go
other things are nice to have but those will get you the most noticeable increase in damage and speed
spare flare
Snow Burst's good, but I don't agree that it's more important than Flurry Cast and such.
spare flare
Fated Persuasion would like a word.
opal lodge
- all hermes boons are unilaterally good
like i wouldn't roll over extra dashes
or hyper sprint
just for a chance at flurry cast
sorry not all hermes boons are good, i meant there are many good hermes boons
still vigil
I won usin phalanx but it felt weird with crowds
opal lodge
poseidon dash kind of helps with that
still vigil
Got 3 legendaries but couldnt get parting shot or lighting phalanx
opal lodge
you also get free mirage shot
outer cave
whats a good beowulf cast build
opal lodge
dio cast, stygian soul, pray to master chaos for a cast stone
try to get artemis + poseidon in your pool and go for mirage shot
try to get thunder dash if you can too
spare flare
Hunter Flare, Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Heart Rend, whatever else you can get.
Sweet Surrender is great.
outer cave
am i doing something wrong or does beowulf do like no dmg
spare flare
Passion Flare works, too.
You're doing something way wrong.
Use Dragon Rush all the time, even with no cast boon.
You can actually load a bloodstone into your shield as you're zooming.
devout ether
You can load multiple bloodstones at a time btw
outer cave
it might be the fact that i have like zero dmg increasing boons since i have had super bad rng
still vigil
Y'all fist builds recs were pretty solid
outer cave
alright i have posiedon attack and the wall slam boon so i think the run is saved
pale sinew
Does "extra damage to undamaged foes" work with Aspect of Hera or does the bow shot interrupt that bonus?
plucky harbor
Can't really go wrong with artemis and zeus
Ares is great
But need things to make it work
Anyway, is butterfly's stack permanent for the run or as long as I have it as keepsake?
gray shore
need to keep butterfly/ hermes keepsake equipped
vague ermine
even if you re-equip it later
nova crystal
I like running patroculus > acorn
vague ermine
patroculus kinda eh tbh
since you dont often find times where you'd take damage in immediate succession
plucky harbor
7 secs is a bit too much for down time 
queen patrol
if using guan spear what shbould i be getting for boons? i got deadly fourish
queen rock
I usually start runs with the chaos egg. Is that a bad start since it isn't injected potential rarity and not Chaos's actual appearance?
untold iris
is your goal to win consistently?
or is it to just add some extra rng into your run?
if you want to win consistently the strongest start is almost always a god keepsake (which one depends on your weapon)
but if you want to mix it up a little instead of forcing the same starting boon over and over again you can start with something like chaos egg or coinpurse or pom blossom
queen rock
What God matches best with each weapon? Can I swap keepsakes after each section to ensure I get to choose 3 gods per run?
untold iris
usually aphrodite, artemis, or zeus are the best choices depending on your weapon
aphrodite and artemis are good general gods to have because they have the biggest damage bonuses
zeus is specifically really, really good on weapons that attack very quickly
since his damage is flat instead of percentage based
also you can swap keepsakes between each section to force different gods
queen rock
Like the rail or fists
untold iris
yes
if you just want to win, its usually good to force your primary attack boon in tartarus
and then force athena for divine dash in asphodel if you havent already gotten her in tartarus yet
queen rock
Why is Athena dash preferred over all the others? Just convenience?
queen patrol
WOW
sorry for caps but i dont get this spear
whats so good about it u have like no health
untold iris
i had a pretty memey run recently where cold embrace was really good
but its generally pretty bad imo
queen rock
Is chaos in general a bad idea in "serious" runs when you're trying to win?
untold iris
that run I had stygian soul + fully loaded + cold embrace
queen rock
Vs gather materials or fuck around?
turbid needle
@queen rock If you rely a lot on dash-striking or casts, Chaos is worth the risk
Since you have many boons from him that boosts the damage of those
still vigil
So you actively chose cold embrace over crytal clarity? Mad lad
untold iris
I mean I wasnt offered crystal clarity
untold iris
the run wasnt really cast focused until the end tbh
i just happened to get offered a bunch of cast related stuff late so it transitioned to being cast around styx lol
still vigil
Ahh
untold iris
let me take a bad phone screenshot of it
queen rock
Is there any use to collecting keys after unlocking everything in the mirror?
hollow folio
resets, trading for blood
still vigil
Cosmetics
untold iris
@still vigil run is in #h1-victory-boasting
hades fight was really easy because of all of the boons I had
crystal cast spam + blitz disc + lightning boons + smoldering air builds god gauge ridiculously fast, so I could stunlock hades permanently
queen patrol
what boons should i go for when playing with Guan Yu Spear
I know i should pick up deadly flourish
untold iris
artemis or aphrodite
queen patrol
after i get deadly fourish
untold iris
pick either attack or special to focus on depending on the hammer you get
but regardless, you want artemis/aphrodite on your primary button
afterwards just pick up stuff that works well with what you already have
if you started with artemis you can look for aphrodite for heart rend, for example
if you started with aphrodite you can look for zeus for smoldering air
etc.
untold iris
it can be good
its hard to find a safe spot to charge your spin
but the quick spin hammer really helps
and you can always charge spin while waiting for enemies to spawn
queen rock
Is it better to focus on boons, hearts, or hammers at the start of a run, in general?
untold iris
generally hammer > boon > everything else
but some aspects dont really benefit much from hammers so its okay to de-prioritize hammers with them
and with boons its dependent on what you already have and who the god is
queen rock
I've yet to even touch aspects because elixer syndrome
proud topaz
so that's what it's called
ripe glade
I have a question about 'killing freeze'... While 'all' foes are chilled, they slow and decay... if Hades is on the only foe on screen at that time... does that apply?
proud topaz
i believe someone posted a run saying that's what happened
warm nimbus
out of curiosity, how does everyone setup their spear builds without aspects. i read zeus+poiseden is a good combo but not a fan of the knockbacks
waxen comet
Does Aspect of Beowulf's upgrades increase cast damage or just the rush's damage?
waxen comet
I know how Dragon Rush works, just wondering about that specific upgrade
Or rather, should I upgrade Beowulf or is it unimportant
Okay yeah it's just the Rush itself
fallow jackal
personally the special is better because of the extra base damage but I'm just bad at melee
spare flare
The rush itself is still strong.
waxen comet
True, I just rather dislike how Beowulf feels outside of Trippy Burst memes
spare flare
If you like burst damage, why aren't you using Hunter Flare?
opal lodge
trippy shot is the best burst damage still imo but part of that is personal preference
the nice thing about trippy shot is it's one of the casts that actually increases in damage from the normal cast --> beowulf version
spare flare
It's not really a matter of opinion, though. Mathematically, there's no competing with Heart Rend Hunter Flare.
opal lodge
hmm
hunters flare is a 10% chance to crit for 55 base damage boon
66 effective damage, in other words
if you add heart rend to the equation it's 71.5 but i dont see exactly how it's mathematically the best choice
royal yarrow
what is an easy stock spear build? still working on that first clear 
opal lodge
i could be wrong so feel free to correct me but aphro or dio seem to be the right choice
@royal yarrow flurry jab hammer + zeus attack or serrated point hammer + artemis attack
royal yarrow
ty 🙏
spare flare
Are you sure that Hunter Flare doesn't modify the base damage?
And no, a 10% crit chance is not 10% more damage. Crits are triple, not double damage.
55 * 3.5 = 192.5. That's 74.25 effective damage before factoring in anything else.
opal lodge
i didn't say it was
each 1% increase in crit chance is a 2% increase in effective damage
spare flare
Okay, I misread. Sorry; I shouldn't try to carry on a conversation while having an allergy attack like that.
Anyway, Heart Rend is only one part of the path. You can alternatively or additionally get Deadly Reversal.
opal lodge
you're good
spare flare
Hunter's Mark is another major contribution.
opal lodge
yeah i mean artemis is just best god
even if you're running trippy shot you usually run artemis attack
spare flare
The problem with Trippy Flare is that it doesn't get damage support outside of Scintillating Feast.
spare flare
Don't get me wrong: That's still really strong. It's just that the Artemis path is stronger.
untold iris
wait but i thought athena is best god
opal lodge
it really isn't but to each their own
theres a reason why all top runs use trippy or passion flare
but hey if you put up a sub 7 beo time with hunter's flare all power to you
spare flare
I was told that the top runs use Hunter . . . Was someone just referring to an older patch, or what?
opal lodge
not sure what they could be referring to
spare flare
Hm. I'l check the high Heat spreadsheet later. That thing's still up to date, right?
opal lodge
well old beo was just charged flight nonsense
before they nerfed it to +200% instead of +400%
so maybe they were talking about deadly flourish?
bronze sorrel
yeah i mean artemis is just best god
@opal lodge
Thats only if you like winning. Ares is king of the memes.
Poseidon's right up there too
dapper crane
Id have to say aphros best God damage reduction even more damage reduction the death explosion actually clears things, more damage to weakened, her duo boons are op
untold iris
athena is probably the best if you're interested in high heat
pretty much every high heat run gets significantly easier with athena in your god pool vs without
dapper crane
Is her damage scaling on attack/special the highest? Aphro
untold iris
the other good gods are artemis, aphrodite, and zeus
river wing
aphro is strong. high damage multiplier and easy 50% of privilege status
dapper crane
I feel like Athena is a crutch alot of the times
river wing
yea aphro is the highest kinda?
artemis can get good with extra stuff like heart rend tho
untold iris
artemis usually has higher dps but aphrodite technically does with no secondary scaling
dapper crane
Aphro arty on chiron has disgusting damage ive instakilled lernie heads
untold iris
its pretty easy for artemis to outscale aphrodite though
river wing
they're both really good. it's hard to get privilege status on artemis for example.
dapper crane
I think the other reason I like aphro over arty is I don't use arty on every single weapon
rare kayak
the other thing that aphro artemis and athena have is that all of their boons are generally good
compared to other gods which occasionally have dead draws
dionysus and ares are pretty big offenders
dapper crane
Like poe lol
river wing
Demeter too.
dapper crane
I've seen alot of hate on demeter but I've gotten her cast and artys duo and then the 10 stacks explode and its hilarious watching final boss crawl across the arena
untold iris
i think its fairly uncontroversial to say that athena, artemis, aphrodite, zeus is probably the tier list order in terms of "overall" strength
rare kayak
her cast is capable of some incredible stuff for sure but you have to dedicate your boon building towards it
river wing
It's rare I see crop early enough to be worth it.
untold iris
afterwards I would rank the other four gods in this order: ares, dionysus, poseidon, demeter
but thats more debatable imo
rare kayak
which is a little wacky in higher heats
spark geyser
I just heard my Plume power-down when the Bull was in his "Well done! I yield!" cutscene. That was... incredibly infuriating.
rare kayak
very fun in low heats though
ares ranks higher with stubborn defiance and lower without it
lol
dapper crane
Does ares more damage after death defiance stack? So if u die multiple times to final boss
dapper crane
I've mever really thought ares was dead boons more damage after killing more damage after dd i mean i agree with your order but yea
untold iris
ares blade stuff feels somewhat dead to me unless you go hard into them
doom is situationally very good though
dapper crane
But when you do its bada$$
rare kayak
i dont take frenzy often when running dd because if im triggering my dd its usually near the end of the fight anyway
untold iris
and some of his secondary boons that just give you damage are good
dapper crane
I've lost a dd on purpose for more dps
untold iris
overall ares has some stinkers but doom by itself is pretty good
rare kayak
urge to kill is, like, i guess? i mean its damaa
damage
same as frenzy
dash, call and cast are all pretty worthless to me
so is curse of vengeance
battle rage isnt bad though
woven delta
Blade cast is pretty good if you get the hang of it
Even more so if you manage to get Hunting Blades
untold iris
blade cast is pretty bad unless you get synergy boons
rare kayak
yeah that
dapper crane
How much does the stacking doom actually do and i like his cast/dash but then you gotta build into it but the damage adds up quick especially with extra dashes from mercury
rare kayak
cast runs fall off pretty hard at higher heats just because of how deep you have to go into the god’s boon tree
untold iris
and unless you have a weapon that does casts well, its usually better to just focus on what your weapon does well and get a cast that sticks into your enemy
you can still do casts at high heat
rare kayak
much better to just build a good basic boon and take some secondaries
untold iris
though you probably want to only do cast builds with dedicated cast weapons
dapper crane
I could see that invest in the other two jist use cast for extra dps or the debuff
rare kayak
like i mean ive done cast runs at 20 heat but it felt more like trying to hold on until something clicked
untold iris
poseidon, achilles, beowulf, hera
people have done casts at high heat
its a different playstyle and I personally dont like it but its possible
beowulf probably has some high heat cast run videos floating around here and there
dapper crane
Its just gimmicky I dint enjoy poe aspect I think my favorite is hera
untold iris
and I think retrash either completed or almost completed poseidon sword on 50 heat
dapper crane
But chiron>everything so why use hera
untold iris
all the bows are viable
they all play differently and are pretty good in their own ways
though currently rama is probably the "best"
primal hazel
All bows hella good
rare kayak
in terms of highest heat im pretty sure rama is the best
and by best i mean its the highest
but not sure if bc rama is good or bc tail is good
untold iris
tailesque is very good
rare kayak
either way bow’s aspects are all excellent
untold iris
i think he needs a nerf
pliant anvil
two finger/one hand run when?
primal hazel
If rail is good with the weapon
Instant meta
sharp mortar
I'll vouch for doom being pretty epic sometimes, got my first sub 20 just a bit ago with my first gilgamesh run with a doom build
spark geyser
Yeah, DOOM is great. Love the gore and fast pa-- wait, hang on
cough yeah you can see my latest win in #h1-victory-boasting for my stance on Doom lmao
spark geyser
I was just having input for the Doom mention 
I guess I can just say what I said again, here
'Was inspired to try a speedrun strat for [Doom]
This is the go-to for fresh-file runs, apparently
And it turns out, if it works well with literally nothing, it works really well with almost everything'
primal hazel
...I was jking
untold iris
oh your run is a merciful end run
primal hazel
Instantly doesn't count
untold iris
ME is like the strongest melee weapon build in general
primal hazel
You your status is sick m8
untold iris
but its pretty annoyingly hard to put together
primal hazel
Idk why people say that
It's three core boons and a duo
Well the pure basics
untold iris
you need three specific core boons and then the duo
and before then your damage is mediocre
most other builds are one core boon, then any other boon from another god, and then the duo
primal hazel
Granted ig
untold iris
and sometimes you have multiple second gods that lead to good duos, which increases the chance of you getting something good
I find that when I try to go for ME I usually dont get it until elysium or later
or I just miss on it entirely and just do the run without ME
primal hazel
That sounds like awful luck
I'm assuming you're doing the whole shabang?
Rerolls keepsakes etc
Imo the core boons aren't hard to get
Well obviously not always but yk
untold iris
you start with ares in tartarus
then you dont find athena, so you force her in asphodel
then you have to find a second athena
and then a second ares or athena
and hope that they give you the correct choices, though rerolling helps a bit with that
its probably easier to put together ME if you start with athena in tartarus tbh
but then your damage is lower early on
spark geyser
Thankfully, all of my builds are centered around a dodge-chance core with Plume and Aspect of Zag
on malph
rare kayak
the thing thats nice about merciful end is that its still a pretty good run without it
*depending on weapon
untold iris
its... okay without it
rare kayak
although it requires a four boon investment to pop off (attack, special, dash and the duo)
untold iris
doom itself is respectable damage but if im running with fists for example I would rather just start zeus because its more consistent
spark geyser
It might be more DPS, but it's a 1-boon powerspike for lightning
And that isn't to be understated
untold iris
looks like you need to hit 5-6 times in 1.1 seconds for zeus to outdamage ares vs 1 target
so ares is probably stronger vs single targets
though zeus does have bounces
rare kayak
ares also lets you disengage and handle a different enemy earlier if you estimate right
untold iris
also I think zeus in the god pool is probably a bit nicer than ares in the god pool
sharp mortar
what would yall say is the most underwhelming god to have in pool on average?
rare kayak
poseidon
untold iris
imo demeter
sharp mortar
i feel like unless im specifically looking to do something with her i always dread seeing dem
magic stone
Demeter rare crop doe
sharp mortar
i can see poseidon being pretty bad as well but as someone who's still relatively (relatively) new i dont mind poseidon due to resource farming
(and i also have a crippling addiction to seastorm)
rare kayak
poseidon has better duos than demeter but attack special and sometimes dash are dead draws
untold iris
demeter just has so many underwhelming boons
rare kayak
depending on weapon and playstyle
untold iris
and her core cast/dash/call are all kind of bad
rare kayak
his call and cast are real strong though
untold iris
poseidon's main issue is that his attack and special are actively harmful to take on some weapons
rare kayak
actually yeah ive changed my mind probably demeter
untold iris
and he also has some other dead boons
rare kayak
attack on poseidon is worthless on almost every weapon
beowulf can work it because it pushes enemies with the bull rush
magic stone
Hidden aspect of gun: Am I a joke to you?
spark geyser
This might be the first time I've felt screwed over by RNG in hades. Genuinely, had access to a whole 3 boons (plus one Daedalus hammer I bought and a Chaos Boon) this entire run, and I've just made it to Elysium.
rare kayak
almost
magic stone
Pretty much only shield and hidden aspect of gun is good with Poseidon
primal hazel
Splish splash
primal hazel
Yo what's the super soaker build
Tempest strike thunder flourish?
magic stone
I did have fun using it with Zag sword doe
rare kayak
dash can screw you up on a few weapons too
magic stone
Yeah I’m pretty sure
primal hazel
I still have nightmares from my beo run when I decided to pick tempest strike
Had to learn the hard way
rare kayak
i took tempest strike on fists as a meme once and quit the run after it took me a full minute to beat a tartarus room
magic stone
Oh god I’m guessing it pushed the enemies away from the cast?
rare kayak
really? i felt tempest strike worked pretty well with beo
it collected the enemies while i bullrushed
also poseidon’s legendary is really underwhelming
while demeter’s comes with fun voice lines
untold iris
demeter's legendary is just hard to find
primal hazel
Oh god I’m guessing it pushed the enemies away from the cast?
@magic stone yes
rare kayak
very true
rare kayak
its probably one of the hardest next to artemis
untold iris
since it requires two boons, some of which have other prerequisites
primal hazel
But it was nice against bosses
rare kayak
actually no i take that back
i think dionysus is hardest to find for me
i almost never run hangover and trippy shot concurrently
untold iris
yeah I just checked, demeter's legendary requires 4 boons minimum
dio legendary is hard too yeah
rare kayak
savescum
primal hazel
Look at my fearsome single artemis dash strike
untold iris
for legendaries I pretty much only consistently fine aphro, zeus, and athena
primal hazel
I mean I can prolly win
Cause I'm good like that
But it'll be a pain
Not even explosive launcher
untold iris
you dont need serrated
magic stone
Bruh I got Zeus legendary in first area once
rare kayak
ive been getting aphro’s leg every run except the ones where im looking for it
primal hazel
Well I can at least make my spin larger for lols
rare kayak
the most fun ive ever had was probably massive spear hades aspect walking into a tartarus room full of cloner skulls
untold iris
also tailesque did 40 heat no boons or hammers today with hades spear
rare kayak
shackle?
rare kayak
cowardice
pale sinew
Does the timer tick down in Charon fight?
untold iris
yes
pale sinew
ty
sharp mortar
wait maybe a dumb question but how do you end with no boons or hammers? arent you bound to grab a couple no matter what
cunning urchin
Hammers you can potentially avoid altogether.
Boons you can purge at Pools of Purging.
sharp mortar
oooh right
untold iris
oh tailesque just took special hammers
the spear special is pretty trash unless you get exploding launcher so he just never used it
cunning urchin
Now that you've said that, he'll do boonless hammerless Special-only at 41 Heat.
celest bay
Is it just me or does Rocket Bomb interact really poorly with Triple Bomb?
For the rail
With Triple Bomb you can pop out three bombs almost instantly, Rocket Bomb adds quite a bit of cooldown
actually I must be imagining it
tacit void
Which God is a good match for ||Aspect of Guan Yu||?
I can't seem to figure out a build for it.
spark meteor
aphro or arty on special lol
tacit void
It's a heavy hitter but the spinning attack is hit based life steal.
spark meteor
just flat out huge damage percentage buff
tbh best playstyle for gy is spam special from far away
charging up the spin just leaves u too vulneable
tacit void
I mean if I wanna play ranged I should just use Aspect of Achilles.
rare kayak
nyaanyaa can you even make td with nonboosted spear special
tacit void
It feels like Varatha is of one those jack-of-all-trade but master-of-none type of weapons.
It's got long reach, AoE, range option, and quick dash attack.
plucky harbor
you should try boomstick varatha, zag or guan yu aspect, artemis special, exploding hammer, and you're set >:D
tacit void
What's exploding hammer?
plucky harbor
preferably aphro arty duo for mor damagh
uhhhh
wait a sec
exploding launcher daedalus
ye
tacit void
Oh.
teal juniper
what's the requirements to get winter harvest?
frank dew
just check the codex
turbid needle
yo so how does eris rail work with the daedalus making your special a rocket?
you gain +70% every time u hit an enemy with special?
silk storm
Holy moly, I think I killed the Elysium boss in about 15 seconds with Aspect of Arthur
Artemis and Arthur must have been dating
pliant anvil
@turbid needle As long as you're within the explosion you get the buff
turbid needle
seems good for speedrunning
frank dew
yeh especially if you get the oppertunity to combo with triple or cluster bomb
sweet fossil
I just lost my 20 win streak to GY, thanks guys, ill never trust that GY propaganda and use this weapon KEKW
silk storm
GY is fake news
keen hazel
GY is a beast with the right build but it’s highly specific and punishing if you don’t get its components
waxen comet
Not a fan of how it plays, personally. Aspect of Hades is more my thing
Shame that Punishing Sweep doesn't buff itself
rare kayak
tbh hades aspect is just more propaganda from sgg devs
its basically hades status curse
which lasts longer than every other base status curse
and buffs attack and special damage by that much?
propaganda i tell ya
silk hearth
so i wanna try GY out, what boons do i take?
also never used spear before so it feels quite awkard
cunning urchin
You'll want to build for Heart Rend or Merciful End.
silk hearth
i think id like heart rend
cunning urchin
silk hearth
does the crit go on special or atk
cunning urchin
Just that, basically.
Either way.
Just whichever is higher rarity or you see first.
silk hearth
aite thanks
cunning urchin
Might take Hunter Dash first if that's Epic and the others are Common or something.
rose summit
What's the difference between crackling skewer and the normal throw?
mellow quest
crackling skewer actually has relevant base damage and doesn't need to recall.
rose summit
crackling skewer actually has relevant base damage and doesn't need to recall.
@mellow quest ahhh I see
Thanks!
olive sleet
i'm not really sure what channel to ask this but anyway....whats better; percentage damage or raw damage? and also how does the % damage work exactly?
cunning urchin
olive sleet
another question, does the attackspeed that you get from hermes boons (the one that gives +10%), does it also affect charging speeds? (e.g Aegis's bullrush and the spear's spin attack)
teal juniper
Also, does that Hermes boon affect how fast the arrows from bow special come out or how fast they move?
cunning urchin
Both, I believe.
teal juniper
Ah that’s nice
What weapons is it bad on then, because I’ve heard it doesn’t really affect some?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Swift Strike on bow is pretty useless because you'll do Dash-Strikes instead 99.9% of the time.
Coronacht's Dash-Strikes are not affected by Swift Strike for some reason.
It doesn't affect Reload speed, so it's not that impactful on Exagryph.
On Hestia especially it does very little to your average DPS.
sweet fossil
so i wanna try GY out, what boons do i take?
@silk hearth
you reroll to another aspect
cunning urchin
Guan Yu is a ton of fun and pretty strong.
sweet fossil
don't trust them
sweet fossil
was it fun? 🤣
silk hearth
pretty fun tbh
dash striking enemies is like drive by shooting them
its cool but i need some practice
though i just used eris and that is sooo much better than chiron wtf the dmg is so much higher
proven osprey
GY is good
sweet fossil
rama>chirion imo
rose summit
dash striking enemies is like drive by shooting them
@silk hearth how do you know what drive by shooting is like tho
silk hearth
i dont actually know what its like
but it seems fitting
rama>chirion imo
rama feels too slow if im using the attack
u could use special only but thats like a knock off eris isnt it
half crater
you should definitely use rama’s attack lol
it chonk
and yeah it probably is better, although they’re pretty close; rama is beating chiron noticeably both for speedrunning and heat pushing
chiron is way easier to play tho
at least for me
silk hearth
yea chiron is much easier to play
from that youtube vid nyaanyaa sent me hera is better for speedrunning apparently, though ive only used chiron
half crater
looks like the fastest bow run atm is hera at 7:43
worth noting that rama is only 4 seconds behind tho
and both those runs are by bablo because of course lol
half crater
same honestly
silk hearth
wat
cunning urchin
The answer is practice, practice, practice. 
half crater
wat
@silk hearth what did you think i was an actually good player lol
silk hearth
arent u 40 heat or sth
half crater
not on rama
silk hearth
lol
half crater
take a look at some of Tailesque’s runs if you wanna see some proper rama play
keen hazel
i feel accomplished enough at 32 tbh lol, ill push higher eventually but i prefer going fast
cunning urchin
Tailesque got a better time at 50 Heat than most people do at 0 Heat or whatever lol.
14m 12s.
So you see, you can just do both.
keen hazel
You can't go as fast, objectively
14 isnt exactly fast in this game at this point anyway lol
proven osprey
TD3 makes you go fast anyway
cunning urchin
32 clear times are already closing in on sub 8.
keen hazel
And you can set 32 heat up in such a way that doesnt affect how fast you can clear
half crater
not really sure that’s true
you can certainly avoid things like JS/CP/DC
nobody’s running EM4 in a 32 heat speedrun etc.
but there are still things that slow you down
proven osprey
Like being garbage
half crater
BP is probably the most obvious
half crater
“being garbage” is certainly my biggest setback
can’t seem to find the heat setting to turn it off...
proven osprey
12 free heat
keen hazel
out of 8?
keen hazel
lol
half crater
ngl i thought i’d be pushed up faster
keen hazel
I'm not sure but I think my first 32 run would have qualified for the board as well lol
half crater
technically i think you can just put whatever up there
there’s not like, a minimum speed or whatever
*maximum speed
cunning urchin
It qualifies if it's 32 lol.
keen hazel
I did a 22 IGT with eris but it made me hate myself
half crater
idk what it would even mean if there was a minimum speed lmao
keen hazel
I was still trying to play it like a low heat but careful
cunning urchin
I think a good first one to aim for at 32 would be sub 15.
proven osprey
Congrats
cunning urchin
That's still way faster than most people lol.
half crater
that’s because most people don’t do 32 heat speedruns
keen hazel
bc its mostly unfun
half crater
disagree tbh
proven osprey
Haha, noobs
half crater
yeah i do 45 heat speedruns these day ofc
cunning urchin
Not sure I would go for it. Maybe some time just for a chill run.
half crater
i mean, i don’t win but man are they fast
sometimes i’m done by like the second chamber
proven osprey
Yeah I know that
half crater
lol what’s the fastest
cunning urchin
I dunno.
proven osprey
GY, RI3 HS ez WR
half crater
can’t seem to find death%?
half crater
gj gj
proven osprey
Ty
cunning urchin
Hmm. I thought there was one.
half crater
you could actually die faster with sword than GY
you just gotta get Cursed Slash as your first hammer
cunning urchin
And you move faster.
barren otter
the death% speedrun
proven osprey
That's interesting
cunning urchin
More proof that the Aspect of Trash is top tier.
proven osprey
Ok I'll give it a try later
cunning urchin
You can't argue with facts.
proven osprey
Stop bashing it, it's the best weapon for fresh file speedruns
cunning urchin
Nobody's bashing it.
half crater
we’re literally talking about how amazing it is
teal juniper
@proven osprey lmao
proven osprey
Trash Tier
@half crater yeah sure
half crater
lol
trash tier is the best tier tho
things trash tier is best at:
-death%
-literally no other options% aka fresh file
that’s two whole categories
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keen hazel
the big hitter summons aren't even really necessary so it makes sense that a more utility based one might prove to be better
I often have 4 of my 5 summons left at the end of a run which i should prob work on lol
excalibur go brr tho
proud topaz
huh, i have to try this
i usually just have Than's which i pop on the Theseus fight and that's about it
keen hazel
I do meg for Theseus and sometimes second half of phase 2 hades just to end it
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keen hazel
I usually use that free time to do my own damage to him bc it's basically free
kindred trout
Artemis for Exit Wounds, pressure points, fully loaded.
maybe demeter special for cold fusion and the one that triggers off cast
storm lightning and jolted
if you get offered a good call, maybe take aphro strike or special to open smoldering air
that's probably better than cold fusion tbh
queen patrol
thanbks
proven osprey
@primal hazel Do you have a chaos build, dear stone ?
split orbit
So for attack I normally run with ares atk and either dionysus or zeus special.
split orbit
Now for cast i don't normally do a whole lot with it but having ares blades for jisy some passive damage uptime while doing other stuff
For dash i mean... maybe Athena but that's because she's dope
For dad hammer stay away from the +4 shield bounce and do things like "Faster bull rush charge" or the bull rush 400% to armor or 500% power charge
split orbit
Hmmm... I've never really focused on duos. Oh BTW demeter I think is a good cast... or maybe something else that passively does damage while you focus on rushing/throwing
I'd say best duo is Ares/Dionysus if using the dio special
If not then I'd go for a QOL duo
split orbit
Lol my favorite run so far was an ares hunting blades hera bow run XD
frail narwhal
I have a question about the encounters where you choose one boon and have to face the other boon's god
which is the worst to face?
from experience, I have trouble with zeus
pliant anvil
Athena is the easiest imo
pliant anvil
Aphrodite and dio are the hardest two in that order
split orbit
I find demeter to be easy af
keen hazel
Aphro and demeter are the hardest for me
pliant anvil
Demeter is bad in smaller areas
keen hazel
I will always pick athena last tho
frail narwhal
i keep confusing the demeter one with the one in the elysium boss
keen hazel
artemis i mean
cursive pecan
Sound cues help with Poseidon
river wing
i don't like dio and zues. the randomness is tricky
demeter with melee/tight maps is also hard.
mellow warren
I like Dio + Artemis/Aphro
muted onyx
Nice
gloomy kettle
what's the appeal of guan yu spear?
opal lodge
big spear do big damage
kindred trout
special does nice chunky piercing aoe damage
gloomy kettle
but the massive health minus?
kindred trout
one of the easiest ways to stack pierced butterfly
opal lodge
yeah it's definitely not a weapon you just pick up if you aren't already comfortable dodging stuff
gloomy kettle
maybe that's why I don't like guan yu, I don't like spear special
I use hades spear mostly
finite siren
what's a good aspect for adamant rail
i've tried the one that makes you absorb your special but idk
this weapon as a whole feels very awkward to use
river wing
Have you tried zues boon on attack?
finite siren
with the gun ?
river wing
yeap! it completely changes it from meh to wow
finite siren
hmm I should try it more, I think my first run was with zeus boon actually
elfin nova
Eris is delightful especially once maxed.
river wing
yea. all the rails aspect are really good imo.
hestia is probably easiest? since you can play super safe
elfin nova
Realistically I’d go for Zeus Attack, Aphro special for the most damage and probably Poseidon dash. Mix in Sea Storm and you’re looking at a good time
frail schooner
river wing
hestia is the only one you don't want zues attack on.
elfin nova
Cluster and Rocket for the god tier knee slapping fun
mellow warren
hmm I should try it more, I think my first run was with zeus boon actually
@finite siren +1 to try with zeus attack and if you can find it, the hammer upgrade that makes it so you don't need to reload
it's hades easy mode
finite siren
i've had the 3 bullet burst upgrade multiple times yeah it's quite good
i think the fact i have to reload with this weapon really makes the weapon awkward to use
river wing
are you using controller?
mellow warren
I remapped my controller to reload on the trigger button
it's muuuuuuuuuuuuchhhh better
finite siren
yeah I am using controller
river wing
hope you rebinded
finite siren
I have not cause idk where to put it
river wing
L?
mellow warren
I exchanged it with the button to use the companion
finite siren
as someone coming from gungeon, not having a weapon that reloads once the clip is empty bums me out
finite socket
Even then it's a bit too hard to get used to it
dusty ridge
stop attacking or use your special and it reloads at the same time
untold iris
or press dash
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royal yarrow
question about PC aim-assist, with the Bow and aim assist ON and aim-at-cursor OFF, is it supposed to be as wonky as it is? it works fine with the rail but with the bow, in many instances, it just aims in the facing direction
rigid zodiac
hmmm the recommended noob builds guide
all of the weapons are athene artemis pretty much ;x
some rare cases of zeus aphrodite or ares 🤔
magic stone
Best companions with Aspect Of Arthur?
pliant palm
Companion ? 
primal hazel
There's no specific best companions
magic stone
Trueee
primal hazel
In general batty and shady are prolly the best
opal lodge
antos is pretty good imo
pliant palm
I tend to use Bouldy all the time, unless I use 100% lasting consequence
pliant palm
Antos is the 5th one, right?
magic stone
Yes
pliant palm
Still dont have that one :c
magic stone
I’ve got all of em maxed so I’ll test em all with it
pliant palm
Maybe Im missing smth
magic stone
But my favourite companion is Antos and I use Arthur as my main
It’s most likely everyone’s
It’s the hardest to get
opal lodge
is it?
primal hazel
It's decent but it suffers when it has multiple targets
To get antos you have to first complete either Sysiphus or orpheus
And then it's still up to rng
magic stone
I like Rib a lot tho for Hydra
pliant palm
Hmm
primal hazel
Dies way too fast
magic stone
Not against Hydra
primal hazel
Does way too little
opal lodge
i like antos for styx minis
magic stone
It can live through 6 head phase and after
primal hazel
Yeah but against hydra it's a waste imo
primal hazel
If you really need Skelly for that idk
opal lodge
theres no reason to summon hydra unless youre gonna lose a DD
primal hazel
Antos would be a better option then
primal hazel
To just finish off the last phase
magic stone
Whenever I use Death Defiance I carry skelly
primal hazel
Skipping a third of the fight
magic stone
“Just finish off the easiest phase faster”
primal hazel
Instead if summon a "do nothing"
magic stone
Nice one
primal hazel
Skelly will die so fast against the six heads
primal hazel
Well that speaks for the difficulty big the hydra ig
magic stone
I summoned him at the beginning of 6 heads and he survived through everything
primal hazel
If even he can survive that
magic stone
Bruh Hydra can be hard for some weapons
open crystal
I’m a big fan of using Than’s against the champs when they both enter their second phase
magic stone
What do I do when there’s 6 heads shooting stuff at me??
primal hazel
You just need to get better with the weapons
It's not that overwhelming lol
I gotta admit hydra is annoying with fists
magic stone
Bruh try doing Hydra hitless then
primal hazel
It's not about doing it hitless in your case
magic stone
Still
primal hazel
What argument is that now
magic stone
The heads are easy to kill but they deal so much damage
magic stone
Just don’t touch the lava
primal hazel
Take athena dash
Win against hydra auto
magic stone
No not really?
primal hazel
Then I don't even know what your problem is with hydra
pliant palm
Hydra with fist is annoying is you use heightened security
primal hazel
If you don't get hit by lava
pliant palm
If not, no big deal
primal hazel
Hydra with fist is annoying is you use heightened security
@pliant palm this
magic stone
:/
primal hazel
No front
magic stone
I just forget to sometimes
primal hazel
You can use skelly obvs your choice
If it makes you feel safer
But you can't argue with me that it's a better option then any of the other keepsakes
primal hazel
Rib sucks
magic stone
:/
primal hazel
Yeah but at least dudes is good against enemies
primal hazel
Rib is at most eh
I think rib should do more
Something to take the heat off of you can def be nice
Idk make him drop money based on the damage on death or something
Or amount of hits
magic stone
Easily cheeseable
magic stone
Yeah
magic stone
But yeah I use Rib since I don’t really dash strike with Arthur
Maybe
Maybe that would be op tho
primal hazel
Even if you don't dash strike you usually dash and buffer a lot
Nah it wouldn't
Most would prolly still prefer dmg
magic stone
Idea: He remains on the field for 1 minute but whenever he dies he does the long respawn animation
primal hazel
And every time he dies he drops money
magic stone
:/
primal hazel
Tbf there's like 3 companions that are just do damage
But slightly different
Shady is arguably the most unique with rib
primal hazel
Yup
magic stone
Antos Meg and Than do like the same thing
I’ve found Antos to be slow but maybe I recall badly
magic stone
that’s what’s bad
Unpopular opinion: Shady isn’t a bad damage dealer
It aims for you accurately on good enemies most of the time
Big hit box
primal hazel
It's a nice hybrid
magic stone
And 1000 is good damage
primal hazel
But it's very close to you
I miss it a lot xD
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magic stone
Ehhh I tend to do it when enemies are still
primal hazel
Oh
So that's what I was doing wrong
magic stone
Probably not never but only sometimes
primal hazel
I always try to use it when they're moving
magic stone
Because it traces like where they were 1 second ago
primal hazel
Afaik it just hits in front of where you look
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primal hazel
Doesn it
primal hazel
What
sweet heath
for beowolf's unyielding defense hammer it says you gain sturdy "after using your Naegling's Board Cast", does that mean when you load or when you dragon rush?
opal lodge
after you rush
dusty ridge
if it's after the cast I assume it is after loading the cast
in other words, after pressing the usual cast button
opal lodge
its a bit inconsistent since snow burst occurs when you press the cast button
but the chaos -hp on cast curse only hits you after dragon rush
could go either way but im p sure you get the sturdy post rush
dusty ridge
I see
sweet heath
thanks bright
primal hazel
Sooo
What you guys say about hera with artemis cast?
proven osprey
What
@primal hazel pinged u a while ago
devout ether
All casts do that with hera, if you dont hit anything by the arrow's max range
devout ether
Ya sure? Isnt it just cause Crush shot has really, really short range?
primal hazel
@primal hazel pinged u a while ago
@proven osprey didn't get shown to me
proven osprey
damn
primal hazel
Well I'll post
Again not all buoys are equally viable
Use at your own risk
| Means different build
I only take credit if you're run goes well
If it goes bad blame yourself
pliant palm
Wont have to get at the other side of the world to get your cast back x)
primal hazel
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primal hazel
Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted|Poseidon flourish, Zeus duo, pos legendary|ares with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points and support fire|Dionysus Flourish, Aphrodite and ares duo, maybe zeus aid and smoldering air
I'll also copy the safety precautions now
proven osprey
I'm not convinced by Dio special