are basically just people going for ME and posting their highrolls
#h1-builds-and-combat
gray shore
waxen comet
Is Merciful End really that strong?
keen hazel
It’s A tier in the right build but def overhyped
keen hazel
Yeah you want the dash ideally but you have to unlock it on A/S
gray shore
I mean, it's kinda hard to assemble the pieces
waxen comet
Yeah
gray shore
but it's a fast and defensible build
waxen comet
ME's pool is very limited
gray shore
that doesn't take that much skill to implement once you have completed it
waxen comet
Probably for good reason.
hazy kiln
HELLO FOR ALL
hazy kiln
how do I release aspects of weapons?
waxen comet
Have you unlocked the Aspect system?
gray shore
Same for Deadly Reversal not having Divine Dash in its requisite pool
@waxen comet think this is spot on really, It'd be silly if Divine Dash could open up the duo
waxen comet
You need to invest the blood on the Aspect you want to unlock, not Zagreus'
I can't post images here, hmm
hazy kiln
call me private, if needs
waxen comet
Yeah, I'll send a private message.
hazy kiln
ty
waxen comet
Should be solved, he was wondering about the hidden Aspects
How important is it to upgrade Hellfire Blast for Lucy's Exagryph?
unkempt pagoda
the special is the only thing that doesn't make it entirely obsolete in comparison to eris
devout ether
Well, if that's teh comparison all other weapons are obsolete in the face of Eris
unkempt pagoda
that's not what i meant, but sure
what i'm saying is that lucy's fast special speed and unique special mechanics are what separates it from the rest of the rail aspects, as eris does the job of lucy's laser much better
waxen comet
Yeah, just wondering about the blast damage in relation to Lucigryph itself
I could just leave the orbs lying about, as autoaim doesn't seem keen to lock onto them
waxen comet
I don't have the precision for it on controller
waxen comet
Noted
gray shore
Flood shot or anything
Just knock people into your minefield
And laugh as they get eviscerated
waxen comet
I'll go with Zeus
waxen comet
Oh that might be a solid idea, idk how often sea storm triggers off of Tempest Strike though
Epic Lightning Strike 
gray shore
I believe it has an internal cooldown, like how you don't zeus bolt like crazy with Chiron Zeus flourish
but its internal cd is probably 0.2/0.3s-ish
opal lodge
i do super soaker not because it is good but because it makes you use 100% of your brain
if eris deletes brain cells super soaker gives them back
keen hazel
I find Lucy to be fine with a controller personally. Something different to get used too but I use it second most behind eris
waxen comet
Right, died to Hades but I got the Prophecy done
eager grail
i have the spear with fury jab. option to get triple jab now on second hammer
is it any good? feel like triple jab always messes me up
dapper crane
Is the strategy behind beowulf just load and charge over and over
proven osprey
is it any good? feel like triple jab always messes me up
@eager grail the combo should be funny
unkempt pagoda
i do super soaker not because it is good but because it makes you use 100% of your brain
if eris deletes brain cells super soaker gives them back
idk i lose brain cells every time i expect the laser to destroy a projectile and i dash directly into one
green shard
I feel that on a spiritual,level
green shard
I can almost,never get them,with the special, I do,like however that you can lay down as many of them as you want
dapper crane
I tried Artemis cast but I lost in asphodel upgraded lernie op
Probably just stick to chaos or Zeus shield
waxen comet
Try Dionysus with Stygian Soul, hits like a truck
solid cairn
very fun too
gentle jewel
Are photo's allowed?
green shard
Can you post them here?
main osprey
If it's a victory screenshot, then you've already posted it lol
Shouldn't need to also post here unless you want to discuss the build, in which case upload it to imgur
gentle jewel
Well that was what i wanted to do, but i guess its fine.
Shattered Shackle + Aspect of Arthur Stygius
main osprey
Imgur is pretty fast if you want to do that
That sounds solid though
gentle jewel
Then ended up with like, 3 backstab enhancers. Was actually stupid damage
river wing
man. i love arthur, just feels really fun. it's like greatsword from monster hunter.
gentle jewel
It has that "feeling" When u hit enemies with it. That Omph
turbid needle
It feels super skillful to use the excalibur
I was proud of my self for beating the game with it in hell mode
royal helm
How do people sometimes have uh... a second death defiance with Stubborn Defiance... is that obtained through Chaos only?
pliant anvil
you can use up your SD, then pick one up for athena/demeter iirc
royal helm
So if it's empty, it allows you to pick one up... then you get another?
Oh... that's nice
main osprey
It's a bit funky xD
royal helm
Awkward, sometimes, because you want to strategically die before you check boons... but sometimes cannot
Elysium
Asphodel you can basically always die before opening the boon
pliant anvil
yeah, a big part of using SD well, is knowing when to die basically
pliant anvil
pfff
dapper crane
Whats best Arthur build what exactly does the zone do can you expand it using special daeds
pliant anvil
the zone reduces damage you take and slows enemy projectiles
gentle jewel
There is a hammer upgrade that makes the zone bigger
main osprey
Aphrodite on attack is good
pliant anvil
best build is prolly artemis or aphrodite attack, and maybe artemis dash is my guess
dapper crane
So you hit special and spam attack in the zone
main osprey
As much as you can spam Arthur, yeah
gentle jewel
Also, not sure if right but the hammer upgrade for increasing the special radius doesnt affect the zone size?
dapper crane
Does it have a dash attack it didn't seem like it unless its not very different
gentle jewel
The normal hammer
main osprey
Normal hammer doesn't affect zone
pliant anvil
there's a hammer that's exclusive to arthur though which increases the zone's size
main osprey
Does it have a dash attack it didn't seem like it unless its not very different
@dapper crane it has one like the rest of the swords
gentle jewel
The thing with Arthur is u can dash with one of the heavy swings. It feels sooooo good to do it.
main osprey
Which is to say, not very different
unkempt pagoda
arthur's proper dash-attack is the thrust, like other swords
pliant anvil
yeah, and it's first attack in a combo is also a thrust, but with higher damage
unkempt pagoda
however, arthur has a special property that lets you dash in-between strikes in the attack combo, which are not proper dash-attacks
pliant anvil
so it can hard to tell them visually apart
gentle jewel
So dashing inbetween the 2 heavier swings does not get dash-attack bonuses??
unkempt pagoda
no
gentle jewel
Big sad
unkempt pagoda
"dash-attack" always refers one defined ability
that's why things like the spin dash tech for spear don't count as dash-attacks
gentle jewel
Hmm. that makes me think, Does the Shattered shackle affect Dash attacks? or is that bonus based off of if u have a normal Attack boon?
royal helm
It does
dapper crane
So dash attack dmg diesnr apply to special thats good to know for Charon bow ehhhh you can still like instakill anything with it lol
Chiron*
royal helm
There's some oddball ones... like Dash-Upper with the Fists that dash attacks apply to? Or so I've seen people say
But yeah...
unkempt pagoda
for all things that are not hammers (hammers are weird and i have plenty of issues with their wording), dash attacks are considered a subset of attacks, and so are affected by attack upgrades
dapper crane
Well with gilgameshes you have to dash special
unkempt pagoda
likewise, dash-uppers from fists are affected by special upgrades, bc they are considered a subset of the special (they use the special button)
really, "dash-attack" isn't even much of a real term, as they and dash-uppers are grouped under the term "dash-strikes"
hunter dash and chaos lunges use the term dash-strike, and they affect both dash-attacks and dash-uppers
royal helm
huh... does demeter have a dash upper?
unkempt pagoda
you mean demeter fists? bc yes, dem fists have the same functionalities as the other 2 regular fists
royal helm
Mmm, I never bothered doing a Hunter Dash/Arte special build... I guess that's a ton of damage
unkempt pagoda
maybe? never tried it
river wing
you'd want to dash upper anyways, without hammers, they've higher base damage and benifit more from demeter cutter.
unkempt pagoda
if you are going to do that, go with the explosive upper hammer
frank socket
How do y'all rank the weapons?
unkempt pagoda
#1 is likely eris rail
worn folio
Does Deadly Flourish also apply to maim damage?
unkempt pagoda
maim damage is only affected by global damage buffs, unfortunately
it's not considered part of the special
frail schooner
Just use aspect of eris to buff maim damage :wesmart:
worn folio
yeah thought so
unkempt pagoda
only works on skelly but he'd like that 
waxen comet
Maim itself needs a tweak, I feel. Not rewarding enough
frail schooner
Lol i wonder how many buffs you can stack on skelly
waxen comet
If you're fast enough you could probably do Eris, Maim and Nemesis
And boiling blood
pseudo osprey
with a shield build, what suppose to do the damage? Right now i can't even beat the game with shield, while i did with all the other weapons. Some "youtubers" even suggest it's a good beginner weapon which is just plan insane suggestion
dapper crane
Eris is good i also love Chiron
royal helm
Can you actually get two DD with SD using that Athena trick?
unkempt scroll
Do you think it'd be a good idea to try out Artemis attack on hidden aspect of fists on TD3? 🤔
royal helm
I attempted that build at one point... if you have DC/JS it's basically impossible... so you have to turn something off
JS0/DC0 probably
magic stone
Ight I might get attacked for this opinion. But ball of butterfly mini boss is the easiest.
royal helm
It's pretty innocuous, yes...
Along with the doomstone boss
If you don't kill it very quickly though, you can get snowballed into a butt ton of adds...
stark ore
Butterfly is either a pushover or a TD ender
royal helm
I think I missed it with the companion ? And then it had all its armor... and yeah
That turned into like 10-15 adds worth
It blinked my companion 
still vigil
i think asterius and theseus are the easiest bosses
still vigil
🤷🏿♂️
stark ore
With Aphro's call EM3 is a total joke
Just get Asterius to kill Theseus then it's just the mini-boss
magic stone
I’ve never done that
royal helm
i think 0 boon charon is the easiest boss...
Is this what we're doing? 😏
and no shackle
magic stone
But bruh no matter what Asterius and Thesus are hard.
still vigil
Well fer me em3 boss is a pushover
magic stone
How you say they are the easiest boss when Tisiphone just lets you kill her pretty much
She attacks like every ten seconds it’s a joke
still vigil
Tis is a boss?
stark ore
Tis is basically just a standard encounter
Even then some standard encounters are harder
magic stone
Still a boss
waxen comet
Tis somehow tends to slap me around sometimes
But I'm probably just not being careful
keen hazel
Thesus and asterius are more of a dps check
keen hazel
Can be tough but I often end up doing better overall than vs lernie
Nah hades is more rhythm and mechanics
Less chaotic than thesus and asterius
magic stone
Isn’t it like if you don’t do enough damage you can’t kill EM Hades?
still vigil
Nah
keen hazel
That’s not what dps check means tho
magic stone
I suppose Thesus and the Minotaur are just made to prevent you from going further
YES I KNOW YOU CAN AT THE START
still vigil
If i die to hades it's not cause i dealt too lil, it's cause i got too greedy
magic stone
But it’s hard so yeah
keen hazel
Definitely difficult
magic stone
But I’m pretty sure he can out heal if you’re too weak
And you have no chance of beating him
still vigil
Smash les pots
magic stone
Still
keen hazel
You can mitigate his healing without damaging through it
I’m not saying hades is easier. I’m just saying it’s more of a mechanical fight than a dps race than Theseus
Hades def harder
still vigil
Stupid sneak
magic stone
With Aphro's call EM3 is a total joke
Bruh Asterius can’t hit through his shield
ebon pewter
weirdly enough I've died way more times to bone hydra than theseus
still vigil
The floor is lava the game
ebon pewter
ugh
I think it is because the bone hydra is usually where really bad builds will lose at
magic stone
Yes bc you fight hydra early on
ebon pewter
if you got to theseus usually your build is at least decent
magic stone
Your build doesn’t effect how strong a boss is
ebon pewter
well contextual strength is important
magic stone
Then you can say that Meg is a hard boss and hydra is easy with certain builds
still vigil
If i die in asphodel it's due to witches circle, megagorgon, or beefed up mini hydras
keen hazel
I probably have died to Meg more than thesus or lernie
keen hazel
My clear rate is over 70% but ok lol
ebon pewter
witches circle with no deflect is a headache
still vigil
My clear rate is over 70% but ok lol
@keen hazel can't relate
proven osprey
My clear rate of the past 40 runs is 0%
keen hazel
I only say that because once I broke out of Tartarus the rest of the zones fell easily till hades
ebon pewter
huh
still vigil
Fer me if I'm doin 32+ heat, tartarus is the hardest part
ebon pewter
I never had trouble with meg but the bone hydra walled me for a couple runs at the start
keen hazel
The lernie fight is the easiest of all of them for me personally
magic stone
Asphodel is usually the easiest location for me
ebon pewter
do you use the bow a lot?
still vigil
Nope
magic stone
I use bow and gun mostly
keen hazel
I use fists and blade a lot
ebon pewter
yeah that would be why
keen hazel
Gilga is the top for me
ebon pewter
I like talos even if it sucks
keen hazel
Run ruthless reflex and lambent and it’s wild
magic stone
Talos is underrated
still vigil
Run ruthless reflex and lambent and it’s wild
@keen hazel good stuff
magic stone
Ruthless reflex and plume is better with zag fists
The most fun I have in the game is running plume with zag fists
keen hazel
I prefer the massive throughput increase over the extra dodge
magic stone
Zag bow and Zag Fists are amazing
keen hazel
Esp with plume you’re looking at 75% w buff and even more if you get evasion
still vigil
Smoldering air with second wind on gilga😩👌
keen hazel
Little of both
still vigil
Poseidon im guessin
opal lodge
as a super soaker main
opal lodge
super soaker can be really good but the effort is not worth it if you are actually trying to have a good run
still vigil
The only time i use Poseidon on rail is on eris/zag special
opal lodge
main thing i think i've realized is you really realllly want god's legacy
because A. tempest strike is really crappy anyway
and B. splitting bolt + sea storm are what scale your build with super soaker
tldr just build it like eris rail, but worse
primal hazel
I remember I had a bomb poseidon flare run on beo
And then took tempest strike
Fml
opal lodge
as you can imagine it requires an absolutely inhuman number of zeuseidon boons
still vigil
Interesting
opal lodge
@primal hazel i cant even imagine how that works
primal hazel
But after the buff special builds for lucifer are quite fun i heard
opal lodge
does it push enemies out of your cast
dapper crane
I mainly lose in elysium usually if I make it past that its gg unless the mini rat destroys me.
primal hazel
Yes
opal lodge
for lucifer i really like athena special and artemis special
opal lodge
athena because it makes the furies fight much faster if you are trying to speedrun super soaker
primal hazel
Still won but it was hell
Game didn't offer me replaces or sells
opal lodge
which i cannot in good faith recommend to anyone
still vigil
XD
opal lodge
triple bomb also goes dummy on lucifer now
still vigil
Hear me out tho
dapper crane
Is super soaker good on controller?
still vigil
Full Poseidon on cluster rocket slaps
dapper crane
So it has that clumsy feel to it no matter what
still vigil
This ain't yer super soaker build lol
opal lodge
if you do super soaker you are accepting that you are purposely doing something difficult for very little payoff
still vigil
I'm talkin about somethin different
primal hazel
Yeah
stark ore
But it's just not worth the hassle
still vigil
Like if the rockets don't kill them the knockback wil
It's crowd control ability is quite satisfying
opal lodge
cluster rocket just goes dummy on anything tbh
still vigil
Iirc when i run it, second wave, typhoons fury, and breakin wave were what was makin the crowd control especially strong
I think i got epic special spd too?
Either way like ya said, cluster rocket is nuts on anythin
I'm trying to get a love bomb build goin on rail
dapper crane
I like love bomb with arty attack and then the duo its just nasty
wooden flume
Hi people, can someone explain to me what is so great about the bow? I swear, I can't make it work :/
finite socket
primal hazel
Every bow is great
Except vanilla cause it's vanilla
And I hate vanilla
For no reason
devout ether
10% crit is one of the better zag-aspect buffs
primal hazel
Did I say it's bad?
frail schooner
no one wants to talk about zag sword
devout ether
Did I say it's bad?
@primal hazel Didnt mean to rag on you!
primal hazel
I didn't mean it in that way
coarse tendon
primal hazel
It always is
restive patio
lunar forum
dudes, I need to know about Hades spin attack, can I i-frame it with dash if I just time it right without leaving AOE zone, or is it only possible with deflect on dash?
primal hazel
If you dash out of spin you retain I frames
lunar forum
?
devout ether
Try it!
devout ether
Oh that
devout ether
You can dash through it yes
primal hazel
You can I frame everything
devout ether
But the timing is tight if you start and end the dash within the area
hoary slate
Athena Dash has nothing to do with i-frames
devout ether
Cause his spin has a ton of active frames
lunar forum
Athena Dash has nothing to do with i-frames
but if i have athena dash i'll also reflect spin dmg in his face, right?
primal hazel
But athena dash gives you pseudo I frames on dash attack
Yeah but the deflect makes no changes to the i frames of the dash itself
lunar forum
But athena dash gives you pseudo I frames on dash attack
how does that work?
lunar forum
so i am invulnerable during whole attack animation then?
primal hazel
No
hoary slate
i'm not sure about reflecting the spin. But if you're dashing through it you're not reflecting
opal lodge
you are not invuln during athena dash strike
the deflect box will cover most of your hurtbox
hoary slate
dash strike does not have the i-frames yeah
opal lodge
so it will deflect projectile that would otherwise hit you
lunar forum
w8, but if I land out of dash on projectile I'll reflect it instead of getting hit, right?
primal hazel
Only as long as the deflect animation is up
lunar forum
what's this deflect box, and how is it different from my hitbox?
hoary slate
it's bigger?
lunar forum
the deflect box will cover most of your hurtbox
so it actually covers your whole hitbox and more then?
hoary slate
yeah
lunar forum
so why do you say that it doesn't affect your i-frames, when its obviosly does
devout ether
Because it doesnt
lunar forum
you have longer i-frame because of your deflect duration after landing
devout ether
Iframes and deflect are two separate things
primal hazel
No
hoary slate
deflect =/= i-frame
hoary slate
you can take a look at this video and the video description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_a8HCiPe4
lunar forum
so what kind of dmg can dmg you through deflect then?
devout ether
Trap damage, I think?
waxen comet
I assume we're talking Divine Dash here
opal lodge
wriste's thumbnails alarm me
devout ether
Not all traps, mind
waxen comet
Just floor traps or stuff that doesn't meet only the deflect hitbox
devout ether
damn poison vents!
lunar forum
ok, thx, that's basically what i needed to know
you know what, I think that 2 seconds cooldown on dash that i mentioned before would be cool as a pact of punishment modifier
i would enjoy it at least
primal hazel
Yeah but you're weird
lunar forum
cause i can not pick shield, but i can't avoid spamming dash
primal hazel
Just take the single dash option from the mirror
lunar forum
it gives you too good perk (at least from description)
ah, i can just not take it at all, i see
that may help
but still i can spam even 1 dash with moderate success
primal hazel
It's not about the modifier suggestion
It's on you knocking the dash mechanics in almost every single post
hoary slate
there is RI3 which reduces you to 1 dash
primal hazel
Even though we already had a lengthy and senseless discussion about it
there is RI3 which reduces you to 1 dash
@hoary slate yeah forgot zhat
lunar forum
what's RI3?
primal hazel
The one that takes away your mirror options
hoary slate
Routine Inspection
lunar forum
ah, it also takes tons other stuff
primal hazel
Yep
cunning urchin
so what kind of dmg can dmg you through deflect then?
Everything. If you get hit, you get hit. If you Deflect before you get hit, the Deflected attack can't hurt you.
primal hazel
Heyo
Any fun talos builds? Aside crit attack
cunning urchin
Theseus's spin attack, Hades's spin attack, and any shockwave attacks (e.g., Hades, Skullcrushers, etc.) can't be Deflected.
rare grove
Hey guys question. For the Rail upgrade that makes your bomb a cluster bomb, does that mean that things that proc off your special proc five times? Or is it still just once? I’m talking a boon like Zeus’ lightning bolt on Special hit (dont remember the name)
cunning urchin
But if you deflect the initial ground slam from e.g. EM Asterius, the shockwave after that won't hurt you.
primal hazel
Every bomb is a seperate hit
Thunder can proc multiple times as long as you don't hit the internal 0.2 second cooldown
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
potent adder
What do you recommend for boons on gilgamesh
Artemist attack a'd ares special peraphs?
primal hazel
Gilgamesh aphro ,artemis,dio, athena.
PS with 2 debuffs. and debuffs must be applyed befor you use miam, Heart rend,clean kill,rusthless reflex,Sweet Surrender
ideal setup :Athena attack,Aphro
magic stone
Maybe not ares special? Is Gilgamesh global damage
potent adder
Ps?
primal hazel
Privileged status
40% damage if 2 or more status curses applied
Also increases maim damage
potent adder
Oh alright I see
primal hazel
With pressure points you can get like an over 1k crit chunkers xD
green shard
The most OP thing ive done for the rail is rocket special, cluster bombs and the 3 shot special
primal hazel
Sooo
Anyone got a fun talos build for me? Aside building crit
potent adder
If you use ztremis special can maim crut?
fair gull
yeah rocket rail bomb is nuts
primal hazel
Pressure points make you maim crit
potent adder
3 shot + rocket is broken
primal hazel
Just okay zeus eris with support fire, rocket and cluster
Way better
magic stone
Sooo
Anyone got a fun talos build for me? Aside building crit
Ares
primal hazel
Ares what lul
potent adder
Is cluster bomb a hammer?
potent adder
So you need three hammer
primal hazel
No 2
green shard
Amd fhe 3 shot special
primal hazel
I was talking about eris specifically
green shard
Imagine firing a rocket special from the rail that shoots out in five directions 3 times in a row
primal hazel
fun
green shard
You are hitting every enemy and sitting off every bomb and trap
And if you have Athena for the special
Or Artemis
Deflectinf every thing in a massive radius or criting everything
I wish I could still do that
But you can't get three hammers in one run
Not anymore, not for a long time
green shard
But you get way more hits in
primal hazel
Dash upper is the only way to trigger maim
green shard
In the time it takes you to do 3 normal,strikes you can get about 9 strikes in
keen hazel
you do a combo of both depending on the situation
also you can buffer a dash upper onto the end of a dash attack if you hit special fast enough
ocean mango
All three times I take damage here, I'm not sure exactly why my dash didn't work
https://streamable.com/bkn410
ocean mango
Are the I-frames not from frame 1?
Especially during the first hit, I'm right in the middle of the dash 😕
magic stone
He caught you right at the end of your dash for the first one
Dash I frame only starts at the beginning yes.
Dashes would be a lot more strong if it lasted the entire duration.
At least I believe that’s how it works
ocean mango
But Ok, the first one might be late. I was wondering if maybe the special had something to do with it?
For the second one, I can't possible have been late, but I also for sure started the dash before getting hit. :S
hoary slate
The first one he got you on the second dash which was a dashstrike
Which has no I-frame
magic stone
Oh yeah dash strikes have no I frame
ocean mango
Huh. I assumed the dash-special had Iframes, since the actual animation plays after arriving
magic stone
It would be kinda op to deal damage whole invincible
ocean mango
Does that mean it's always optimal to input the special right at the end of the dash, to retain as many Iframes as possible?
magic stone
I assume so. Yeah.
hoary slate
You don't always need them
ocean mango
Huh. Kinda weird to have the timing of the input not affect seemingly anything but the amount of iframes
magic stone
Eh that’s just how it rolls
ocean mango
Yeah I suppose 🙂
magic stone
But yeah always attack after dash
ocean mango
You don't always need them
But inputting special towards the very end of the dash also does not seem to make the dash-special any slower?
Aaaanyway
brittle vault
guys, explain something to me if you feel like it.
"Bounties can only be collected once per weapon, per boss, per Heat level. So for example, once a player has defeated the Furies on 3 Heat with the Sword, they will no longer be able to collect a Bounty from defeating them with the Sword at that Heat level. However, the player can still collect a Bounty for defeating the Furies at a different Heat level, and/or with a different weapon. "
seems to be in complete opposition to
"If you defeat a boss at a Target Heat greater than required, it will act as completing the bounty for the lower amount Target Heat, not the heat you are actually clearing at. (E.g If you defeat the Furies at 5 Heat and collect a bounty when the Target Heat is 1 Heat, the bounty will act as the 1 Target Heat reward, and not the 5 Target Heat reward.) "
which i know is the actual way it works
magic stone
Yes
unkempt pagoda
what do you mean
silk hearth
they dont contradict each other
magic stone
Pretty much you can beat the furies on 1 heat wuth all the weapons then move onto the next
unkempt pagoda
for the first example, if you play at heat 3 or lower, you wouldn't be able to grab another bounty from the furies
unkempt pagoda
and then if you skip up to heat 6 or whatever, and beat the furies again, that bounty will only count for heat 4
brittle vault
"However, the player can still collect a Bounty for defeating the Furies at a different Heat level" this reads as if it's possible to skip over to a higher heat and collect another bounty for the furies without having completed a run with that weapon
the language is very poor
proven osprey
poor description in Hades ?
brittle vault
from the wiki
proven osprey
oh you scared me
brittle vault
someone was asking about it and it confused the hell out of me
unkempt pagoda
Btw what’s the best blade aspect
Is it nemesis?
they're all good at their respective jobs
silk hearth
i guess higher heat level would be more fitting
unkempt pagoda
it's probably like nem > excal > zag sword, poseidon excluded because of the different playstyle
mild bone
So Raphael you're concerned you can't just focus on beating the furies at different heat levels in order to get their bounties, whether or not you go on to win the whole run?
proven osprey
nem above Arthur ?
unkempt pagoda
don't underestimate the power of critical dash strike spam
waxen comet
Crit is a hell of a drug
proven osprey
sounds risky to me
unkempt pagoda
with double edge and heartbreak strike, you're clearing things in seconds
waxen comet
No riskier than dealing with Arthur moves
brittle vault
@mild bone i was just wondering about the language because someone else from another board was confused. i have personally over a hundred hours in hades
mild bone
Arthur is my favorite! I like how wide its large sweeping attacks are. Easy to get a few backstabs in even.
brittle vault
also arthur is my personal favorite
waxen comet
Least Arthur hits like a champ
mild bone
I didn't know the second language was how it worked, that if you cleared level 5 without having cleared level 4 that it would give you the bounties for level 4 and that you would be able to do level 5 again.
Really tricky to think about phrasing it
waxen comet
You don't get heat 5's bounties until you clear heat 4's.
mild bone
ah ha
pliant anvil
Arthur is a big playstyle change
brittle vault
it's definitely easy to get greedy with arthur and eat a bunch of damage
and dashing mid-combo can take some getting used to
but it's so good
primal hazel
Try dash striking it's a bit easier
silk hearth
wow i used evergreen acorn for theseus fight and its much easier now
river wing
never thought of it before.. but i wonder if dashing mid-combo with arthur counts as a dash strike.
devout ether
No, swings are swings
river wing
ah. 😐
devout ether
arty dash would get a little bit TOO nuts if that were true
spare flare
I remember trying this to confirm. Dash-strikes are dash-strikes, and mid-combo dashes don't make the regular combo strikes dash-strikes, for sure.
Hunter Dash would be seriously competing with Divine Dash for Arthur and even Guan Yu.
unkempt pagoda
dash-strikes are their own defined, unique mechanical ability
arthur's (and gy's) special property of dashing between strikes in their attack combo doesn't change the fact that they aren't doing a proper Dash-strike
stark ore
Is World Splitter worth it? I’ve tried to take it but all the seeds I get it on usually have terrible luck so I’m just forced to do another seed
Seems good if you’re running Poseidon at least
willow fossil
It makes you go from fast hitting swings, to hard hitting slow swings, gotta shift the build but is good
devout ether
Hermes attack becomes a big priority
unkempt pagoda
it's better than the regular attack combo 👍
though there can be weird aiming issues that i'm not sure they've fixed yet
warm stag
Do the keys serve any purpose once you unlock the six weapons and the mirrors upgrade tiers?
unkempt pagoda
trading and post-credits cosmetics
warm stag
Thanks.
devout ether
Put those two together...
willow fossil
Also mods 
willow fossil
Well people don't really believe rng is a thing
keen hazel
obviously rng involved, i was just under the impression that at minimum you'd get 2 and for whatever reason max 5
max 4*
willow fossil
Nope
warm stag
The builds seem to be balanced enough that you can push on with what the RNG gives you, but man now that I’ve played Exygryph with Hazard Bomb I don’t want anything else
keen hazel
wait till you play with cluster rocket bombs
idk the actual mechanics behind the sacks
willow fossil
Someone brought up numbers a while back let me see if I can find it
devout ether
I imagine 3 is the most common, with 5 being under 5%
river wing
willow fossil
iirc sack rng is 0/50/25/12.5/12.5 odd
I just quoted the message
Dunno who's correct
river wing
well it's roughly equal, which is good enough for casual me.
willow fossil
Is just rng
I dont think knowing the odds helps
Its still odds
Not going to change anything
willow fossil
How would it help
river wing
say you've enough money for either a heal or a boon.
willow fossil
Mmhm keep going
river wing
you'll know what risk you're taking if you don't buy the heal on a well. to save up for boon
willow fossil
The well might still not show
river wing
the point is. all knowledge helps somehow somewhere
river wing
yep.
willow fossil
I think the only way itd help is if it was a 100% calculation
Until then a 99% might still fail to 1%
Like rolling in a 3 room chamber, that has obols, pom and heart
Youre 100% guaranteed to get a boon/hammer
That's something good to know
fading skiff
do you guys like dark foresight or olympian favor better?
rare kayak
foresight for sure
willow fossil
I like olympian favor
rare kayak
favor if you havent finished collection of resources like gems and darkness
but foresight gives so much hearts and pons
rare kayak
foresight gives so much hearts poms and obols though
rare kayak
.
willow fossil
Ive tried it many times, but then i see myself with a lot of health and a lot of common boons and i just go back to favor
willow fossil
i usually fight hades with around 150-200 and thats because im out of rerolls
silk hearth
yea i dont like dark foresight
i used it before and i kept getting common boons no thanks man
health is all you need
and hades whacks my hp bar anyway so its not that impt
split orbit
Can you have 2 duos at one time?
willow fossil
i used it before and i kept getting common boons no thanks man
This ^ seeing all my boons common breaks my heart
split orbit
I know have ice wine and scintillating feast...
Yeet
Going into hades... wish me luck
silk hearth
gl
split orbit
Got one dd left
silk hearth
It really doesnt
the multiplier is like 1.3-1.5 so it does make a difference imo
willow fossil
Well of course it makes a difference
But routine inspection exists, so isnt like it completely ruins your dmg
pliant anvil
^
silk hearth
the one where u purge ur boons?
willow fossil
yeah i dont like it either
willow fossil
youll get em next time
pliant anvil
@silk hearth the advice I've generally heard is that it's better to increase enemy's power rather than reduce zag's power
willow fossil
yep
muted onyx
What do you guys think is better for Guan Yu? Special or attack focused build?
And wich gods?
royal helm
is there a spreadsheet where someone has laid out animation times and such ...?
Like, I saw someone talk about how Chaos shield needs to be caught within .32 seconds to having a perfect dps rotation
Nyaa plays Guan Yu a lot, I think
spare scaffold
I'd say GY can be built either way, or both if you are aiming for specific duos
I had good success running Dio, Athena attack
both coupled with Ares spec towards Curse of Nausea, Merciful End
muted onyx
Hmm drunken strike + divine dash seems pretty nice
Much damage and resilience
Nice
I'll try this run
Ty
silk hearth
@silk hearth the advice I've generally heard is that it's better to increase enemy's power rather than reduce zag's power
@pliant anvil yea thats what im doing lol
weird run just now, was going for aphro/artemis duo and i got demeter/aphro duo instead...
sold the duo and i was offered it again
pliant anvil
Yeah, I've had issues like that too. It's made some runs really hard when I'm looking for like, ME and I keep getting offered like, curse of longing instead
And then the boon selling areas never let me dump my aphrodite boons that filled the requirement for it :/
silk hearth
rng is bad sometimes haha, luckily demeter gave me a heal 92 hp boon before hades
split orbit
Hey I just got done and am at the end. It pulled up a list of my boons and I can select 5, what is this?
river wing
for you to highlight certain boons to take a screenshot and share in #h1-victory-boasting 😛
stark ore
You can select the boons with the little pin icon to unpin them and pin new ones
placid topaz
@muted onyx i think pushing the special on GY is the best way to go - really helps if you get the charge hammer on it (can charge the throw for up to 200% dmg) and then something like artemis special and you're pretty much good to go at that point
stark ore
tfw the spear that reduces your health is a more reliable special-oriented weapon than zag spear
muted onyx
@placid topaz I just did that and I agree with u
split orbit
Is fated persuasion once per run or once per boon choice?
muted onyx
Once per run, but you can upgrade it
muted onyx
And it has a contract that everytime you gat a key you can get one more token
pliant anvil
and when you reroll a boon list, it costs 1 extra token compared to the last one
(i.e. 1 > 2 > 3)
opal lodge
also the legendary 4 keys to reroll
which ive seen once after i greeded for sea storm
sharp mortar
speaking of which does 'how do i rid myself of my seastorm addiction' qualify for this channel as a question
split orbit
So is aspect of hera the "best" cast weapon?
sharp mortar
probably. followed by poseidon
split orbit
Heard
sharp mortar
i'd wager poseidon is the more satisfying between the two though
river wing
Achilles is pretty awesome too
split orbit
Gods prize vs legacy?
I extremely dislike the swords play style so I unlocked the bow
river wing
esp if you're playing around with stuff like ares/arte or arte/dem,, i think
sharp mortar
true i guess; worth also mentioning eris in that regard then
smaller multiplier so worse for pure cast but still pretty busted in general xd
turbid needle
Man, first time trying hoarding slash (after over 100 runs) and doing over 4k damage crits by the third area with the hidden sword aspect. I gotta say, I approve.
It's kind of bland overall, but it makes me feel like Tryndamere.
gentle jewel
"My right arm is ALOT stronger than my left arm"
turbid needle
"My third strike is a LOT stronger than my first two" Harharhar
gentle jewel
Lmao
simple trail
my hazard bomb eris can reach 2k crit easy 
turbid needle
not quite 4600, but getting there
I think I'll probably break 5k by the time I get to end boss
simple trail
u said u get the crit from backstab, mine dont even need that
and i dont need hella coina too
turbid needle
ye, which is good for being half as effective
simple trail
aoe vs a slash, half as effective, sure
cunning urchin
lol I'm very sure Excalibur's third swing has way better AOE than Hazard Bomb.
simple trail
wdym, hazard bomb got its aoe incread and the diameter is fairly larger
turbid needle
I'd say it's quite a bit harder to hit with a slow projectile than an attack with a very small delay
also half the damage
simple trail
but i havent even upgraded it yet
turbid needle
lemme know what you get to when you finish then, I'm almost done with this run
just running through the last tunnels because of side hustle
simple trail
wdym, ialready finished, i just focus on the atk instead of thinking 2k crit isnt enuf for my special
turbid needle
ohhhh, I thought you were actively doing a run
tl;dr 5000 damage is more than 2000
simple trail
sure
mellow quest
I'd rather have cluster bomb for AoE 100% of the time over hazard bomb. it can hit the entire room and can also focus all the explosions near one spot to melt bosses. Plus it doesn't block off a bunch of good special hammers like hazard bomb does.
turbid needle
I love cluster, especially when I find rocket for it lol
cluster rockets is insane
kind egret
Hey quick q, if god gauge build is based on hits, how does Clouded Judgement work? Just increases gauge build per hit? Or does it start translating damage to gauge?
cunning urchin
It's just more god gauge per hit, yeah.
cunning urchin
It's pretty good.
stark ore
With faster weapons it's super solid, you're usually taking Zeus on those kinds of builds anyway so might as well take Clouded Judgement
kind egret
yeah, I was just hoping it was a supplementary option for slow weapons to get some gauge in
but it's the logical choice instead 😢
turbid needle
I thought god gauge was based on damage the whole time, no?
stark ore
It's based on hits, not damage
turbid needle
ah, lame.
stark ore
Thanks, Amir
spare flare
It doesn't affect auto-buildup via Swift Aid or Smoldering Air, right?
half crater
clouded judgment explicitly only effects god gaige gain from dealing hits or taking damage iirc
based on its description anyway
warm flame
Hey everyone,
Anyone have the exact formula for upgrading boons ?
as higher the level of the boon goes as less it adds damage to it, Ive been searching the web without any luck.
cunning urchin
It depends on Attack, Special, flat or %, etc. etc.
I haven't got around to fixing some numbers in it yet, but this is basically it. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
Woops.
There lol. Had the wrong link.
rigid zodiac
why are my builds always so trash ;d
am i supposed to use the trinket that ensures getting a specific god's boon?
im so focused on autistically leveling up the trinkets to 3* in chronological order that i didnt even get to the 2nd line yet lol, just finishing up the first one
cunning urchin
I think leveling up all of your keepsakes is a good idea.
Really helps you longterm.
But yeah, in speedruns and at high heat, most commonly we use one god keepsake in Tartarus and another one in Asphodel.
rigid zodiac
aha so you ensure getting 2 good items from 2 gods of your choosing
and then switch to a keepsake that helps your build with like damage or utility
cunning urchin
Essentially.
They also increase the chances for higher rarity, so we have better odds of getting a Duo Boon from those two gods especially in Asphodel.
rigid zodiac
so ive been playing wrong this whole time ;d
cunning urchin
High heat, we usually switch to Acorn for Elysium and the Temple of Styx.
It's not wrong lol.
rigid zodiac
acorn is what? im not ingame right now
cunning urchin
5 hits of invincibility against bosses.
rigid zodiac
ahhh very cool makes sense
cunning urchin
From Eurydice.
It's just what we tend to do now. It's tried and true.
There may be better strategies we haven't discovered yet.
Or maybe have but they're still fringe until it's adopted more widely.
potent kayak
What boons are good to use on aspect of lucifer?
cunning urchin
Apparently Divine Flourish is really good.
rigid zodiac
yeah thats another thing...
i have no idea which gods give good boons for which weapons ;x
cunning urchin
I have a newbie build guide that's pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
Maybe that'll help a bit.
potent kayak
Thank you mewmew
rare kayak
meme build pos attack and pray for the duo
potent kayak
Pretty good and straightforward guide @cunning urchin Is doom good on lucifer? I was watching someone use it but I don’t know if it’s for the memes
cunning urchin
I actually don't play that aspect at all, so I can't tell you that.
I think I've done like 3 runs with it.
rare kayak
you might be able to setup special with doom? and grt the pulses going?
sounds pretty wacky though
cunning urchin
I know the only Lucifer main at high heat swears by Divine Flourish, though.
rare kayak
yeah divine flourish is p good with lucifer
cunning urchin
That's like all my Lucifer build knowledge lol.
That and Lightning Strike is tried and true.
rare kayak
without lightning strike a lot of your damage is gonna come from the ramp so i guess doom might help break off that damage early if you can estimate right
potent kayak
Okay no problemo thanking yous 🙏
rare kayak
setup a doom special athena attack merciful end build or vice versa lol
that sounds incredibly jank
potent kayak
I LOVE THE JANK
rare kayak
dionysus also does relatively decent on lucifer
relatively
although you’d want maybe a couple attack boons from chaos and ares aphro or artemis duos
for bosses
potent kayak
That’s true I’ll give it a shot with that advice thank you
maiden holly
I love using Dem with Lucifer, getting Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze is bellissimo
somber summit
hi, whats the best possible low heat bow chiron build
hoary slate
Dionysos Special i guess.
untold vortex
Aphro attack, artemis special into heart rend
Aphro attack, dio special into low tolerence
Add in zeus call to either of the above if you want smoldering air in the boon pool
There's probably other good builds
Those are 2 I've had success with
somber summit
why is dio special so strong
i mean
does its passive apply perma q for me or what
untold vortex
You can apply the full stack with 1 special (even with low tolerence)
Assuming chiron is max level
Demeter special and artic blast? (the boon than does damage once you hit max chill stacks) is also fun
hoary slate
Hell Mode forces Pacts that hold you up in terms of time
untold vortex
Not sure, it's a better question for the speedrunning server ^_^
rigid zodiac
im just trying to figure out if i should reroll a new save file with Hell enabled or not
hoary slate
Only if you really need the Personal Liability Heat Option
untold vortex
I highly doubt many people run using hell mode
Personal Liability can be incredibly brutal
rigid zodiac
yeah i bet you can get 1shotted by getting shotgunned
teal juniper
what's the highest dodge you can get in the game?
I'm assuming you use lambent plume, zag fists, and hope for hermes boons
hoary slate
100, because more doesn't matter
teal juniper
fair enough
if you get to 100% do you just dodge everything or is the game built so you can't just dodge everything
turbid needle
I'm thinking you can probably get about 40% with the hermes boon, 15% with zag aspect, and I think the only thing that gives dodge after that is lambent plume, and I'm guessing the highest that gives it's around 30% with a perfect run and high encounter rate
hoary slate
there's a clip with 100% somewhere
proven osprey
I'm thinking you can probably get about 40% with the hermes boon, 15% with zag aspect, and I think the only thing that gives dodge after that is lambent plume, and I'm guessing the highest that gives it's around 30% with a perfect run and high encounter rate
@turbid needle Ruthless reflex Second wind
turbid needle
Which one is second wind?
turbid needle
Ahhh ok yeah
boreal ermine
Isn't there a talent that gives dodge after dashing a near miss?
turbid needle
Yeah that's the ruthless reflex
boreal ermine
Oh yeh
turbid needle
It's pretty sweet when you get used to it
proven osprey
yeah this channel is an infinite loop mate
half crater
indeed lol
proven osprey
next up we have parting shot
proven osprey
hoary slate
wish i had a clip for that one
@half crater make one
half crater
prolly should tbh
warm flame
Thank youuuu @cunning urchin !!
kindred trout
hi, whats the best possible low heat bow chiron build
@somber summit In addition to what the others said, I really like Ares attack for Chiron. It opens really strong duo boons with Aphro Special, Dio Special, or Athena Special, and those combos are pretty good even before the duos. Plus it makes Privileged Status really easy with Aphro, Dio, or Demeter special.
clear dome
retch
me: take charon's keepsake
charon's wells: not existing until i got to the last chamber
cunning urchin
I only take it after checking the Well between biomes to see if there's anything good.
turbid needle
That's how I usually do it too
gray shore
The duration increase is actually so impressive
vale imp
Hey guys, just a question about Cast boons, which ones have the best scaling with Pome?
rigid zodiac
pom is confusing. some skills go up like +2% damage, or +1 flat damage.. others go like +30%... hard to know if itll be good or not
vale imp
I just had a a run using the Zeus cast boon and i was surprised with how much damage it was outputting in the Hades fight
warm flame
you guys play beowulf with infernal or stygian soul ?
vale imp
I wasn’t even focussing on my Cast but it performed surprisingly well
Infernal usually just so I have 3 casts immediately
Technically Stygian might be better if you can get additional ones via Chaos
waxen comet
@warm flame I used Stygian for my Prophecy run, as I was going for Trippy Burst
I rather dislike the weapon unfortunately
turbid needle
I'd go infernal easily because that particular weapon doesn't imbed crystals so stygian is literally all negatives lol
turbid needle
I'm not sure with that particular weapon, but if not I'd still probably fight in it anyway because I'd pick up the trippy burst damage reduction
I like the aphrodite cast or demeter cast best though probably
toxic rose
Trippy shot only gives back stone when the fog ends
waxen comet
I know about Trippy Shot but not Burst specifically
toxic rose
Burst is the same
I play shield with trippy shot a lot
In general u want to roll aggressively for cast stone from chaos
And/or getting arti legendary
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare, Infernal for everything else.
rare kayak
ares also doesnt drop until duration over i think
warm flame
thanks guys
keen hazel
Honesty ice wine is underrated
haughty robin
So in a trial, can you get duo boons as the reward if it's with a god not involved in the trial? Say it's a zeus poseidon trial, and I also have aphro in a primary slot, can I get sweet nectar from the reward?
toxic rose
U cant get duo
haughty robin
So none at all? 0%
mellow quest
you can't get the duo between the 2 trial gods. you can see other duos but the chance is literally impossibly low without any boosts (yarn, nectar, god's legacy).
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undone anvil
I would assume trials are a different beast and only offer boons from the two gods involved
especially because you can't do other interactions in trials like gift them nectar and all
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primal hazel
Nvm I should read everything first lol
I guess it's still legit to just say no/not worth it
Yo what's your opinion on quake cutter? I kinda dislike it rn cause for the effect to occur you have to wait out the whole upper animation instead of dashing before it finishes
cunning urchin
You can't get any Duo Boons in a trial.
primal hazel
Huh seems I was right after all
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jagged roost
wait quick question
how does shared suffering work?
does it like damage each enemy with the debuff?
unkempt pagoda
each enemy with shared suffering will take an additional 60% of any damage you deal with your attack
undone anvil
I usually go with empowering flight or explosive return
left peak
@undone anvil Which do you recommend more
undone anvil
well depends on the rest of your build I guess but explosive return probably
undone anvil
explosive return is helpful if you're surrounded by enemies
grim dune
Do any of you rebind the reload key for the rail, and if so what to? Thumbstick feels really bad to me.
primal hazel
L
Empowering flight is the worst hammer for chaos out of the three
You want to be throwing shields
Not attacking
undone anvil
I rarely use bull rush 😬
toxic warren
Guys help me out here. I have the adamant rail and currently have an epic Drunken Florish, but Aphrodite is offering me a Heroic Heartbroken Florish.
Should I swap?
primal hazel
Depends on your build
warm flame
Can you get athena / aphrodyte duo while running Beowulf ?
Parting Shot Your Cast gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind.
Bonus Backstab Damage: +25%
toxic warren
I’m really early in the game. I can also get an Aphrodite attack for damage minigation.
primal hazel
You can
Although you have to look in the reqs in the codex
Usually aphrodite is taken for her duos and also her boons give the largest raw percentage boost
So your bombs can do big boy damage
warm flame
@primal hazel yeah in the codex the requirement is crush shot, not passion flare
toxic warren
I chose the attack. I think I’ll keep playing until I hope to get one of those duos.
warm flame
with beowulf crush shot transforms to flare .. so i guess i cant get that duo
river wing
that's.. so weird. doesn't seem to make sense why it'd like this.
primal hazel
with beowulf crush shot transforms to flare .. so i guess i cant get that duo
@warm flame passion flare is in the prereqs
What are you talking about
Same is phalanx flare
Yes you can
river wing
it is in the prereqs? it's strangly not in the codex
river wing
im looking at it right now
hmm. i've gotten parting shot on it too. via other non cast boons.
unkempt pagoda
call
dull oak
ye call
left peak
Alright, thanks
dull oak
np
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dull oak
ares blessings op
primal hazel
Have you ever run doom stack on chiron?
magic stone
It’s not too good as it’s too slow but much better than Athena
primal hazel
It's nuts
primal hazel
Ares isn't op lol