#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 722

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 10:50 PM

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@opal lodge that specific situation is tough but i would say it's the correct move

ocean mango Nov 4, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Btw, do you guys mind linking a video of a player who really knows what they're doing? I'm not sure where to start looking for it

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Tailesque does

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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You got him in chat

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Ask away

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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You can see him at that time of the day (or night)

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it's a special event

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Otherwise just check out Haelian ig maybe

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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yeah tailesque is the player who knows what they're doing lmao

ocean mango Nov 4, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Lol. Do I google "Tailesque" and see what comes up? 😄

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Ask him rn

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 10:52 PM

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lol that's my yt channel name all the same so it's not hard to find if you're interested at all

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:52 PM

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tailesque twitch stream when

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I can't find high heat GY runs to watch, it would be so good

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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i honestly might start during this winter break around december or so

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Stream with the whole discord

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Meme fest

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Yoo link us
You got my twitch prime

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:54 PM

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@proven osprey i could be wrong but i think someone posted a guan yu 40-50 in the high heat channel recently

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 10:54 PM

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oh yeah retrash did 45 with GY

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:54 PM

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and i know haelian tried GY 50 and made it to dad

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do i take serrated point or exploding launcher on hades spear in tartarus

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probably serrated right

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:54 PM

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That's amazing

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@primal hazel not sure if i'm allowed to link my stuff other than in #self-promotion but my twitch is also tailesque, though there's nothing there yet really lol

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I think I should clear my bounties on all weapons, idk I'm trying so hard to break heat on GY

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Nvm I can't read

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My head defaulted to gy

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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i cleared spear bounties by just defaulting to achilles cast

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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@primal hazel not sure if i'm allowed to link my stuff other than in #self-promotion but my twitch is also tailesque, though there's nothing there yet really lol
@mighty ermine just tell me/us when you're starting

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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but achilles feels very hard for me at 32 idk

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Looking forward to it

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Same here

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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i cleared spear bounties by just defaulting to achilles cast
@opal lodge that
Until I discovered that I actually like gy

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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would be the easiest sub of my life

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Same

ocean mango Nov 4, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Did they at some point decimate the amount of gems you pick up? 5 gems for a room seems like a laughable amount lol

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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the bosses drop gems thing is amazing

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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serrated point was 200% the correct choice for anyone wondering

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yeah vanquisher's keep early helps if you care about cosmetics

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 10:57 PM

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laughs in 5000 gems with nothing to spend them on

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:58 PM

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ive got a healthy 17k that i'd give away if i could

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maybe i trade it all in for keys

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 10:58 PM

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mr beast of hades

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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time for me to make clickbait content

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congrats on the new fists time btw

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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insane luck

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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is that an aspect record? it has to be close

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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@proven osprey i could be wrong but i think someone posted a guan yu 40-50 in the high heat channel recently
@opal lodge got it, thanks !

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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it would be if not for duunko and bablo

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bablo's is like almost 7 flat

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 10:59 PM

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lmao the run starts with Meg

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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not bad to be behind only duunko and bablo

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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1 second ahead of vorime

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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might be the initial death? @proven osprey

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they need to show death to prove unseeded

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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but that was an old time I think

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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bablo has been going wild with the aspect records lately

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he even has some in the wings unposted

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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he has all of them I think

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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nah, I mean Meg in Zag's room squirtdevious

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:00 PM

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just a complete gamer

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did he get beowulf back

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last i checked ello had it

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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good question, yeah i dunno if he beat ello currently

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i don't think so

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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in the newest summong salt video a bunch of people teamed up to stop this guy from getting all records in mk64

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called the a1a

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so I proposed the aba

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the anti bablo alliance

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Oh

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that's really interesting

solid cairn Nov 4, 2020, 11:01 PM

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keep him from getting all aspects

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Retrash heat setup is nothing like mine lol

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:02 PM

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i remember someone saying that his heat setup was very intriguing

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:03 PM

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but

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he's a madman

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FO2 EM4

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I had to reset my twitch password

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Worth it

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:05 PM

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yeah that seems insane

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but you probably also dont want HL5 on guan yu

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just seems like a tartarus death simulator

ocean mango Nov 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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How in the world is EM4 worth just 4 more heat than EM3

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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just seems like a tartarus death simulator
@opal lodge lmao

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it's my life atm

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:06 PM

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EM4 is 10 Heat total.

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:07 PM

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I can get to Elysium once I beat tartarus

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but man this is hard

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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you jinxed me haha

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i died in asphodel

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LOL

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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kek

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sorry

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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just got double petrified and stomped by power couple

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oops that's two lives

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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yup I know that

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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worst miniboss

ocean mango Nov 4, 2020, 11:08 PM

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"power couple" lol

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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honestly not bad just cant make those two mistakes

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each life i lost i got hit by both the stomp and the wave

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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I mean out of all of the middle management ones its the most annoying to deal with

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:09 PM

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the wave is actually so annoying with GY

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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with forced overtime and calesthinics that fight is kinda crap

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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I wasted all of my DD on my run lol

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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i hate the barge of death middle management with calisthenics

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Well I run both all the time

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:10 PM

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i feel like you can always use meg to I-frame the stomp i just forgot that was something you can do

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I would've used Tooth in the fight but i forgot to unequip it at the beginning, hence the wasted lol

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I just meg immediatley and hope I hit both of them

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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and yeah that crystal sure is healthy

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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acorn > tooth most of the time

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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No way I'm hitting his second wave with 89 hp

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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meg immediately will miss i think

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you have to wait for the first drop

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I mean whenever he comes down

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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and meg right as he drops on your head

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yeah

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I do have the Dem-Athena duo though so I may survive but doubt it

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

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If I don't have divine dash its so annoying

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:12 PM

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true

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just easy to make micro play mistakes in that fight i think

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like using one too many dashes and not having one for the wave

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:13 PM

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he's gonna die

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The moments when he uses his lasers are my saving grace lol

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got em

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:14 PM

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its so unfair the em4 sometimes spawns pots on top of you

willow fossil Nov 4, 2020, 11:15 PM

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pots take A WHILE to actually form and explode

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you have plenty of time to simply walk out

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not even dash

rugged wave Nov 4, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I'm probably just bad 😢

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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maybe the new meta is running meg's keepsake

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since I die a lot

willow fossil Nov 4, 2020, 11:24 PM

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zaglol

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if it works it works

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Skull earring is 100% uptime for SD after act 1 right? thanthink

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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yeah, perfect synergy

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:32 PM

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i need the corn

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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skull earring actually doesn't activate upon SD; you need to take at least 1 damage beyond that for it to work

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😔

maiden wolf Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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does flurry cast affect demeter crystals' tracking/rotation time?

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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really ??

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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@maiden wolf No.

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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just go dance on some magma for a bit

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Just Crystal Clarity.

maiden wolf Nov 4, 2020, 11:34 PM

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pensive_villager

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Skull earing confirmed trash

maiden wolf Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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i just want to sit in my arthur field and eat my cheetos

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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I love using magma to suicide

maiden wolf Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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i dont wanna have to pay attention

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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SGG plz fix

surreal pumice Nov 4, 2020, 11:35 PM

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especially when I realize my build is trash 🙂

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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i just ||unlocked the ability to upgrade weaponsi have 5 titans blood, i prefer the fists right now, is there a reccomended upgrade for that one?||

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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would it be too much to post skull earring interaction in tech issues?

maiden wolf Nov 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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i really like default

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:36 PM

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It does say at 30% or less

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emphasis on AT

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:37 PM

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the only 2 weapons i’m really into is the shield and the gauntlets

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Magnetic cutter on Talos is a really nice balance of ease of use and power

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I'd recommend that for your Titan Blood

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:41 PM

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demeter fists are very good but all of them are very similar aside from the hidden aspect

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talos playstyle is maybe a bit different

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Talos for me feels transformative

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which is the main reason I like it

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:44 PM

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true

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dem fists sometimes just feels like

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zag fists but better

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unless youre running some heavy dodge nonsense

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:45 PM

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pmuch

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don't get me wrong

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hermes has some really nice synergy with zag fists

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and that's great because hermes are guaranteed in every run but

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prefer dem fists

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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yeah, you have to lean pretty hard into zag fists' gimmick for it to feel worthwhile

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while dem fists are just great right out of the box

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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prefer dem fists
@gray shore yas

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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not really a calculation to be done

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when you put it like that

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:46 PM

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My zag fists run feel like crap until I get to hades lol

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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admittedly getting 75+% dodge is pretty hilarious

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but that's pretty much as far as it goes in my book

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Ruthless ffed me up

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:47 PM

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any high heat poseidon players in here

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i like this a lot but it is really hard to live with DC

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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I saw someone got to heat 50 on poseidon, died to dad tho

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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probably shouldnt have taken it i imagine

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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search heat 50

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Also I got a chaos boon that gave me 70% more foes and rarely any encounter rooms so plume suffered

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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high heat strategy channel

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they posted a screenshot

mighty ermine Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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ah yeah, i think that was retrash

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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ah as always

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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what should i invest in for shield?

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:48 PM

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yeah i should not have taken DC

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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I'm gonna assume that the high heat community is kinda a tightly knit bunch

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for now

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lul

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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what should i invest in for shield?
@turbid needle everything

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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i like chaos shield a lot

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and beowulf but im gonna assume you dont have that yet

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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everything isn’t a option currently as it’s only 5

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blood that i have

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Every shield except vanilla is awesome fun

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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DC + cast build makes me very sad

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Chaos is a good entry point

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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okay cool

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Whatever shield aspect you invest in

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Max it

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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i like vanilla shield as well tbh

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Zeus is strong but tricky to use

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same with hidden aspect

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:49 PM

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imo chaos is just vanilla but better

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I dunno bout tricky to use with zeus

turbid needle Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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ooo

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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hidden aspect is a nuke delivery device

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Thunder flourish, spam special

opal lodge Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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or explosive return spam special

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kek

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Chaos aspect has been nerfed though so it's not as room demolishing as it used to be

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:50 PM

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or explosive return spam special
@opal lodge that counts into my build

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Or you just go ME throw shield, dash and delete the room by accident

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I dunno bout tricky to use with zeus
@primal hazel If you're still learning the game and struggling to winstreak on it, I think Zeus is harder than Chaos to continue climbing

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Fair

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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It takes some foresight and some subtlety

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to maximise what it can do

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Chaos on the other hand is kinda ez mode

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in my book

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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I mean I got no subtlety

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Still works

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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lel

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I love Chaos shield but it really makes me feel like it carried me throughout early heat. So I got bored and branched out

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Also every run takes foresight

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Haha get it

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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DARK FORESIGHT

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I GOT IT

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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HAHAHHHA

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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bouldy

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:52 PM

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bouldy

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:53 PM

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SGG discord attracts such nerds

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nerds being me

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:53 PM

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What do you mean by nerd?

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Do you happen to be a maths teacher?

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thanthink

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:53 PM

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oh no

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not the 5999123.1% nerd

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that's not good

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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_
0

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Triggered

finite socket Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Oh yeah that's the bad type of nerd

gray shore Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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i'm gonna go back to Hades

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before I crush some skulls

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bouldy

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Best of luck my man

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bouldy

proven osprey Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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bouldy

finite socket Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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bouldy

primal hazel Nov 4, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Math teachers are important to society

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Yeah I didn't expect any response to that either

kindred trout Nov 5, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Chaos Shield requires significant blood investment to be goo, though. I got my first couple Hades kills by cheesing everything with level 1 Zeus aspect and Ares or Zeus Q

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 12:05 AM

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Yup

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:05 AM

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It sure is pretty damn bumming when you lose because your Attack boon couldn't keep up

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I was playing Gun btw

true spade Nov 5, 2020, 12:07 AM

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How often does Scintillating Feast do its damage?

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:07 AM

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But i always get boons that suck with the gun

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Idk why i never get good boons with gun

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Are you trying a specific build ?

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Maybe you have no idea of what you're doing

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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god keepsakes + fated persuasion = usually pretty solid

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Well like

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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you can still get unlucky though, which sucks

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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||I was using Lucifer||

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Ah

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:08 AM

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But i had Aphro attack boon

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I had an EXCELLENT special setup

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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It's not great really

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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K so

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Extreme Measures

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All the way up

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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It's the way to go

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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And i was just about to beat the game

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Theeeeen

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I didn't

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Ah, first time?

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 AM

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Man, maybe i should just use Zag sword

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Nope

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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How can he em with no wins

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bouldy

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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first EM4 attempt it could have been

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:10 AM

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It was that

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With a bad build

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Level 1 Lucifer

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Some people like to suffer

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Well then

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I wanna try some new funky builds

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What's something that feels fun and won't be a detriment to my sanity?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Ahem

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:14 AM

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poseidon dash + zeus anything and get the pos/zeus duo

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and just lightning/splash dash your way to victory

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Zeus shield: |Zeus on special with second bolt and the legendary, explosive catch

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Stand next to enemy
Spam special
Win

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Or anything with eris

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Well, maybe something more like

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Equipping weapons

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Since getting boons is a roll of the die

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:15 AM

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No

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Hades building is hella consistent

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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use the gods keepsakes to ensure you get that god

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Also persuasion

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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tartarus - poseidons keepsake for the dash

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Also dark foresight

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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asphodel - zeus keepsake for zeus

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Not using Purse on Tartarus

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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other 2 areas dont matter as much

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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That's kinda cringe

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Purse on elysium

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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^

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Tf is wrong with you net

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Uhm

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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you want to force your primary boon first

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Hard cringe

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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dont use purse in tartarus, you'll never get the right boons for your runs that way

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Okay mom 😔

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I always played that way and got to like12 heat that way lol

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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you can use purse in elysium as @primal hazel said or you can use acorn or pom blossom

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Minus the times i accidentaly forgot to unequip the final boss boon...

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:18 AM

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or force another god in elysium like demeter (coz her and zeus have a good duo for jolted)

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Yeah but what I say is more valid
Because
I don't know
People believe me

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Do you want a build for anything specific m8?

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Eh dunno

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I just styled with the sword

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Eh, maybe something with Nemesis

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Oof

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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its usually a good idea to look for a specific god or 2 when going for a run

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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What's the best sword for you then?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Nemesis: artemis attack, athena flourish, Aphro cast, dio call, heart rend, splitting headache (art+dio), deadly reversal(athena+art), double edge hammer

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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^

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:19 AM

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the gods and what you want from them change depending on your weapon (and aspect) but still best to aim for a god or 2

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I dislike the feel of nemesis
Not my style

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Same, I prefer poseidon usually

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Pos sword for the fun stuff

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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I aim for ateast two Gods cause duos

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Pos sword for the fun stuff
@devout ether yes

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Or arthur dash build

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Is it possible to like

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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just go arthur sword ❤️

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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As I repeated ad nauseum in some other channel

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Or arthur dash build
@primal hazel Cowardice

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Use the Sisyphus keepsake

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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No effectiveness

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:20 AM

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True men go for full comboes every time

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I do both

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I am the truest of man

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bouldy

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:22 AM

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true men use zag rail without zeus lightning

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:22 AM

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but like... why...? 😛

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Legit have not touched zag rail since I unlocked Eris.

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:26 AM

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there's no need, really

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but what i want to do atm is find a good doom build - any suggestions?

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i just dont know how to make a good doom build and i'd like to try

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or, still sticking with ares, try to make the blade rifts work?

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:29 AM

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No

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Dont do that

finite socket Nov 5, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Well i did make Blade Rift work once

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It MELTED Hades

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:29 AM

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@placid topaz for doom, go Athena and Ares for mericful end

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then try and get divine dash

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with doom on whatever attacks fastest

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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ME is kinda boring though

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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ME is braindead

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thats why i like it

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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it is, but it's "a good doom build" like they want

finite socket Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I mean yeah

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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helps to use a braindead strategy if you have no brain cells left

finite socket Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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ME is their best option

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Doom is good with PS

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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It's a hack n slash game, it needs a good ol brainless thing

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Hot Take: I think blade rift can be really good with hunting blades on Achilles spear

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Just turn your thoughts off and see the funny big numbers

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It fun

stark ore Nov 5, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Hunting Blades with Achilles feels amazing, but honestly I've started to use attacks with it a lot more than casts

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:32 AM

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i think hunting blades achilles used to be the strat before blade rifts got nerfed

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it's still pretty good

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just requires quite a few boons

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:33 AM

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eh I think it's like ME in that respect

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A basic set up is "good" but not like, WR viable

stark ore Nov 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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ME

"good"

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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the main difference imo is that hunting blades achilles is still probably not the best setup for WR

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whereas ME fists is

stark ore Nov 5, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Yeah HB relies a ton on luck and good boons to be WR worthy

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:35 AM

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That's honestly most runs now though. Has the sub-6 minute barrier been broken yet?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:36 AM

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yeah

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someone got a 5:5x or smth yesterday

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 12:36 AM

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was it bablo lol

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Huh, guess it must be waiting on verification then

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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nah

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some guy came up randomly

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it's in the PB channel of the speedrun discord

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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ah

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 12:37 AM

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very cool cluster bomb M&K player

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 12:38 AM

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that must be why, the only sub-6 I can find is long winter patch

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Legit have not touched zag rail

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Legit have not touched zag rail
@primal hazel It's not good!

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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That the joke

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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I feel like there has to be an upgrade taht is more exciting than just ammo+

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Hey look guys
I can fire a bit longer

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WOOOOH

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YEEEAAAAH

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Tbf I have an aversion to most vanilla stuff

vernal panther Nov 5, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I had a really fun run with 28ammo Rail and Arterus arrows that fly out per every shot

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That was some madness going on

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But thats about the most exciting thing I did with Zags aspect

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Like, maybe give it an upgrade that isnt completely invalidated by a frequent hammer boon

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Give it delta chamber on default

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 12:44 AM

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thanks @pliant anvil i'll have a play with that - maybe on fists or something

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 12:44 AM

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wait I just realized that blade rifts are really good for stacking god gauge

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I hate them so much but I decided to meme with a blade rift cast build because I got ares early

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Hunting Blades

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Good

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 12:45 AM

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and mirage shot + ares cast generates a ridiculous amount of gauge since you have so many hits

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Give it delta chamber on default
@primal hazel faster attack rate would be okay i guess, maybe in addition to ammo+?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Hmm I'd like a mirage shot like effect

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Get one additional 30% damage shot per shot fired per level

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Built in cluster bomb

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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With attack

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 12:50 AM

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ayy

hallow lava Nov 5, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Which is better privilege status or family favorite

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:01 AM

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In most cases FF

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You'll ateast get 25% damage all the time

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With PS you need to apply two statuses, that stay long enough, before the enemy dies of other ways

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It has it's merit in some builds

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And in the end it's ofc what you feel best with

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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40% is a LOT though, so the temptation is always there

hallow lava Nov 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Yea feels good for like bosses

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Imo if you're able to apply ps before the enemy is dead you're build isn't strong enough

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:02 AM

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But yeah, not every run will be able to turn on PS, while you always get the FF boost

toxic rose Nov 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Some build can get ps consistently like beo with aphro cast

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But in general ff is more consistent

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:03 AM

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It almost feels like FF shoulda been the purple option and PS the green one

hallow lava Nov 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Why?

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Purple mirror is usually the more general use case

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Last 5 talents always green

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:04 AM

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You dont always need duos

hallow lava Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Ah

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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So

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Why should I ever not get a duo legendary

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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When is it a good idea to use the anvil?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Most builds use them

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Never

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Like

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I have the shield

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Anvil can give you hammers that ruin your run

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Zeus aspect btw

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:05 AM

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You have no control what it takes nor what it gives

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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there are some aspects that want solid epic core boons more than they particularly want to bet on getting a specific duo

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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You grab an anvil when you-re so overpowered you can win with the two worst hammers

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Fair yup

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Huh

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Anvil is for showing the game the finger

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And if you like suffering

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Or if you have a single hammer for some reason and arent really using it

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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there are some aspects that want solid epic core boons more than they particularly want to bet on getting a specific duo
@mighty ermine my impression is duo/legendary is better in the general case

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Wait so

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Personal preference obvs

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I wanna hear from you

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What is the worst shield

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Problem with anvil is
It can give you run ruining hammers

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Zag maybe? All shields are pretty good

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Vanilla shield

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:07 AM

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for lower heat i would maybe agree. but in a high heat context, you never want to rely on duos or legendaries really, especially with AP restrictions

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so i prefer god's pride there

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Fair forgot ap

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Not playing with it atm lol

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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for lower heat i would maybe agree. but in a high heat context, you never want to rely on duos or legendaries really, especially with AP restrictions
but in a high heat context doesnt the decision not matter because you have RI turned on?

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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You never turn RI on at high heat

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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high high heat :^)

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:08 AM

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lmao yes @untold iris though there are plenty of runs that are RI0 still

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even at 50

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Like...

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Never ever turn RI on

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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||I cannot use Beowulf||

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At all

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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That way lie madness

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Like no joke

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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well if tailesque wants to keep breaking his heat record he needs to choose between RI3 and AP2

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Avoid RI at all costs as long as you can

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:09 AM

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How hard can beo be to use? Press cast three times, hold attack, release, repeat

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Easy as pie

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I'd rather drunk bleach

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Ok like

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Blocking with beo

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It's pretty painful

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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isnt beo block the exact same as a regular shield block?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Beowulf build: Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Passion Flare, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air. Make sure you use Infernal Soul, charged flight hammer

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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isnt beo block the exact same as a regular shield block?
@untold iris It is

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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but blocking is supposed to not be painful specifically

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Beo has wider Block afaik

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:10 AM

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I recall someone else who also thought beo couldnt block

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Some weird glitch maybe?

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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It's odd

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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i thought block was 180 degrees for all shields

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Like

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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the swipe you do with beo is slower though

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Last time i played

untold iris Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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in the direction you are facing

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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The block is on the back

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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no

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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i don't think that is the case lol

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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What might be getting you is that since beo has a slower attack it takes a longer time to bring up the shield..... at least i think

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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^

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Huh...

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Well last time i played Beo it was like that

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Beos block takes a bit longer to come online

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Or so i remember

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Or so it felt...

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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blocking from dash-strikes is much more consistent than from standard attack slam for beo

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Or so it felt...
@torpid abyss Were you drunk and/or high at the time question mark

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:12 AM

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yes

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dash strike is very nice into block

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because you can just dash strike and then during your charge your dash CDs recharge

torpid abyss Nov 5, 2020, 1:30 AM

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No

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I was not under the inffluence of any substance

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Hi ||https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1684870483788322910/B9E6E89ED9F4E3898B51C96753DA830954D4BDDF/ Can someone give me advice on what to invest in? im having issues with hades i beat first form and get him to 1/2 ||

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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thicc skin

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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im not sure if this would be best in another channel, sorry if it would

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I'd definitely max out Shadow Presence, it's pretty easy to hit him from behind and it's a pretty big bonus

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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also shadow presence

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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okey thank u, any other advice for beating him?

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I'm so bad with railgun lol

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Cleared with everything except it

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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After that, max Boiling Blood and Infernal Soul, that way you can stack the damage even further on them

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I'm so bad with railgun lol
@surreal pumice Rebind reload if you're on controller

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swap it with codex

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Thick Skin also helps a lot

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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I'm on mouse/kb

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Rebind special, then 😄

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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What do you recommend rebinding it to?

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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okey thank u

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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rclick?

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 1:37 AM

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i use rclick for special

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I use Right-Click for Special and one of the other mouse buttons I have for Cast

devout ether Nov 5, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Get yourself a mouse with extra buttons is my recommendation

potent kayak Nov 5, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I let the game reload for me because I’m a complete Chad 😎

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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Though if you don't have one with extra buttons, binding it to clicking on mousewheel works too

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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yeah a mouse with extra buttons is very nice for M&K

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i have all my main moves on my mouse

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I could use my other mouse

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this one seems to not like hades lol

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:39 AM

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i think only reload isn't on my mouse

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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Reload is still R for me since I've played a lot of FPS games

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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It will randomly start moving the cursor when I'm trying to fire or do something occasionally but it's the mouse, not the game

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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I havent changed a single keybind

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am i weird

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:41 AM

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no

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keybinds are personal

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yeah i've thought about putting reload on left shift but thought better of it

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i put it on right click for hestia though

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just too hard to do the dash animation cancel with reload on R

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:46 AM

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I'm sad there's no Charon companion 😦

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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does the bonus damage from strong drink apply to everything?

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I believe so

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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im trying to figure out if i should take it over numbing sensation in tartarus

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seems like its a lot of damage if it applies to everything

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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it does

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unironically good to get in tartarus

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:50 AM

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ye

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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thats what like, 20% damage at least by hades?

compact leaf Nov 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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what's best build for shield?

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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if its 5% per

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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@compact leaf Which aspect?

compact leaf Nov 5, 2020, 1:52 AM

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DPS

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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is cold fusion duo good?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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depends on how often you apply jolted and how many enemies you hit with your lightning applying move

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:54 AM

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hmmm then what weapon/ aspects are good? eris?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:54 AM

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i know chaos shield with chill on attack + jolted on the special is good with cold fusion

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but its hard to get

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eris is quite good yes

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:54 AM

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rama maybe?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:55 AM

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rama is also quite good

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oh you mean for cold fusion

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:56 AM

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yeah i personally havent tried it

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:56 AM

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nah both of those you usually kill things fast enough that jolted doesn't really matter

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at least on low heat

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:56 AM

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my current heat record is like 12,,, im not doing well HAHA

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i cant get past 12

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im not a big fan of zues's boons, so like im not sure of his duos, with the exception of scintillating feast

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:57 AM

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I haven't gotten past 7 because I'm trying to use all weapons.

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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@surreal pumice its ok i cant even get past 5 heat on the spear, just use what you want XD

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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jolted is good for that

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Also, I'll second you on not liking Zeus' boons. I really only like the one that damages foes once you get hit plus jolted

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Honestly I think Cold Fusion it still pretty good even if you're already using a weapon with high attack speed

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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you might be inadvertently picking super hard pacts haha

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also if you don't have mirror maxed it can be tough

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Since it means you can still have Jolted damage go off for a bit after you stop attacking to dodge and such

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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in general i struggle with the spear... im ok with at least 1 aspect for every other weapon but not the spear

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Zeus is REALLY good on stuff like the rail or attack focused fists personally

royal helm Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Cold Fusion scales up in FO2 as well (where they attack faster) but 🤷‍♂️

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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@dusky nimbus you may want to try achilles spear with a cast focused build

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Same with Dionysus as well

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And to a lesser degree, Demeter

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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i see

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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or hades spear

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 1:59 AM

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i invested my titan blood into achillies and guan yu

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guan yu is fun but like... im wayy to squishy

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and the charge time is just ungodly long

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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i really like guan yu

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Gaun Yu really seems like it needs to be maxed out before it becomes truly great

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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i dont rly use spin unless i get spin upgrades or its an encounter where i know i can get it off to regen

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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its really good early,,, but it think it falls off very fast from aspodel

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 2:00 AM

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GY is really good if you get charged skewer iirc

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otherwise its kinda meh imo

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I'm too much of a wimp to go GY

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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yea charged skewer feels like by far the best build

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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i like guan yu bc u can play it like a ranged weapon XD

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:01 AM

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ur dash attack/attack being kinda slow is the biggest pain

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makes it hard to avoid relying on special

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:02 AM

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How is GY up against EM Hades

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painful?

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 2:02 AM

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almost certainly

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:02 AM

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my personal fav weapons are excalibur sword, hera and chiron bow, eris and lucifer gun, beowolf and chaos shield, gilgamesh fists

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gilgamesh fists with breaching cross literally strips armour faster than hp its amazing

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:04 AM

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GY is definitely not great against hades

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imo, but im not that good

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Mine are Chaos shield, Chiron bow, and Talos fists

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:05 AM

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you can do some regenning if u get some of the spin hammers

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but your margin of error is kinda small idk

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Closely followed a bit by Zagreus rail and Hera bow

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Talos is good, but i just have a problem with negating damage

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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chiron bow is fun but i def cheese every time with dio

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:06 AM

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chiron bow i always go dio or demeter

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very fun with demeter with arctic blast boon

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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artemis is good too if u max it out

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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i havent tried artemis on chiron yet but it sounds not bad

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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How do you personally build chaos shield?

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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i go full zeus

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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I cleared once with Zag Shield but now can't even make it past elysium

celest bay Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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should I take Swift Strike, Greater Haste or Greater Evasion? I have a Rail build with Athena Attack, Divine Protection, not sure which other ones are relevant here

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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i havent used it rly

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:07 AM

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*with shield

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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aphrodite attack, ares special get curse of longing, dash and call and cast whatever you want

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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oh wait, i thought the chaos as in... chaos aspect
for zag i think i go doom

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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no no no

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I meant chaos

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I was just saying

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my only clear with shield was on zag

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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for chaos aspect i run zeus special and hope for double strike and the legendary

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I don't particularly like Zeus shield and thought I'd try Chaos

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Bosses are the only trouble with it

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as in, elysium lol

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:09 AM

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chaos is good but the shield in general lacks damage, so u need to raise your base dmg

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athena, aphro, ares, poseidon, zues are solid choices

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Aphro on what?

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attack or special?

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:11 AM

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attack, aphro, athena and poseidon's boons have very big increase in base dmg

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since ur gonna use attack more than special

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for special go zues or ares

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 2:11 AM

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eh? i thought you spam bullrush-special on chaos aspect

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:11 AM

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yeah

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but then again u only use your special when your in a safe place to deal more dmg, so your special should be a more dmg boon

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your attack should have more base dmg but defensive

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since your going in close

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:24 AM

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how does support fire work w/ chiron bow

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Whenever any attack or special lands, it'll fire an arrow

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Same as any other weapon, really

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 2:27 AM

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but does one special count as 1 hit or does it get a proc for each arrow

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cuz like, it doesnt work w/ zeus special but it works with dio special

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its not always 1 arrow = 1 proc

still vigil Nov 5, 2020, 2:29 AM

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wait yall were talkin bout fave weapons without me? QAQ

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i cri

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but yea support fire does seem to have an internal cooldown

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:38 AM

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I've built Aphro charm on shield so even though I don't do a ton of damage, I can still get Theseus and the Minotaur to attack eachother and possibly bully Hades to not attack me so I can spam him really quick inbetween charms

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:50 AM

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i see charm more of a stun than to actually get them to attack, since charm doesnt last very long

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you can interupt bosses while their charging up/ or attacking you so its not bad

surreal pumice Nov 5, 2020, 2:52 AM

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mhm

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I'm currently beating Theseus to death first by having the minotaur crit him

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jesus it's effective

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 2:53 AM

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oh thats nice, never tried that b4 but good to know that works

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 3:08 AM

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For keepsakes do people generally start tartarus with the keepsake of a God they want the boons of?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:08 AM

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that is the idea

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whatever boon is going to form the cornerstone of your build

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Makes sense

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 3:10 AM

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And if you want to try aiming for a particular setup or Duo boon, you can then switch to another god's respective keepsake between areas

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Yeah I need to mess with more of the duo boons

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Aphrodite + dionysus on fists was pretty absurd

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For aspect of achilles which gods should I be going for

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Does demeter's frost slow turn speed?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:17 AM

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try aspect of achilles with zeus cast

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i believe chill slows enemy move and attack speed

woven delta Nov 5, 2020, 3:17 AM

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^

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yeah I was curious if it slowed the speed at which they turn around

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For more backstabs

rare kayak Nov 5, 2020, 3:19 AM

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its like

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+5% per stack

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i think

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4

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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yeah i believe that is impacted

sage thorn Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Hello guys, is there something like a weapon tier list?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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since that would be encompassed in move speed

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 3:21 AM

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@sage thorn eris is #1 and the rest are #2-24

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Does Mirage Shot work on Beowulf?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:22 AM

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theres no universally agreed upon list

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mirage shot does work

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and is one of the best duos for beowulf

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:22 AM

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Hmmmm

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:22 AM

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literally feels like using a nuke

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it's beautiful

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you can just phase hades with 2 cast stones

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I guess i wasn’t watching the damage too closely

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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what cast were you using

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Artemis

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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i see

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artemis cast is usually a little low base dmg imo

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Shouldve been Poseidon i guess

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Ah well

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Hades here i come

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:24 AM

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it eez what it eez

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usually aphro or dio are popular because they have very high base

vale imp Nov 5, 2020, 3:28 AM

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Ah right right

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I was hoping for more crits but the Cast crit chance is weirdly very low

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Wasn’t too bad, should pay attention to the Cast choice more closely next time

analog lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Has sea storm allways been only one hit per Chiron special? I could have sworn it used to proc more often.

outer cave Nov 5, 2020, 3:40 AM

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which boons do you think are best for dash strike spear

analog lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:43 AM

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@outer cave Definetly Artemis Dash, Chaos also can buff dash attacks, you probably want either Demeter or Aphrodite attack and a status cast so that you can get both status and boiling blood multi

outer cave Nov 5, 2020, 3:43 AM

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alright

spare scaffold Nov 5, 2020, 3:45 AM

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For EM4 miniboss summons like, okay just the Doomstone+ in particular is there any other way to deal with it other than Zeus attack on my weapons

outer cave Nov 5, 2020, 3:48 AM

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do you think the shorter dash+boosted dash attack modifier is worth it

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 3:51 AM

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is there a good way to consistently get PS on rama, assuming you take artemis attack?
or is it better to run family favorite every time

pliant anvil Nov 5, 2020, 3:51 AM

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@analog lodge sea storm is subject to the zeus lightning bolt CD

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if it's a maxed chiron you may get two in my experience

analog lodge Nov 5, 2020, 3:56 AM

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That explains why Lucifer aspect was doing more base damage than lightning. It is a real shame.

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Lucifer should be THE lightning bolt weapon, but that is actually a bad choice for it.

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 3:59 AM

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@cosmic hornet i'd recommend FF on deadly strike rama, yeah

vagrant olive Nov 5, 2020, 4:01 AM

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if you have something to spam like rapid shot, or the no loading on the gun would it be better to pick artimis or zeus?

lost badger Nov 5, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Does chain shot work well with Rama? Or should I go for triple shot

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 4:02 AM

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chain shot is great with twin shot, but interacts weirdly with triple sometimes

cosmic hornet Nov 5, 2020, 4:02 AM

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i feel like rapid shot makes zeus even better, delta chamber too.
the potential for legendary and the crowd clear make zeus a winner for me

mighty ermine Nov 5, 2020, 4:02 AM

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can potentially make it so you can't shotgun effectively, for some reason

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and triple is generally better than chain if you have to choose between them

open heron Nov 5, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Dio/ares duo + dio/aphro duo lets u put some serious DoT

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 5:49 AM

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oof sounds painful

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:06 AM

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After playing around with cursed slash...guan yu really needs a buff. I mean cursed slash is honestly just a better version of guan yu in every way

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 6:07 AM

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^^

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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sure it's a hammer upgrade while gaun yu is default but like

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it's kinda sad that a hammer upgrade does everything a hidden aspect does, but better

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:08 AM

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thats why i hate guan yu lol, they need to make it at least fun like cursed slash

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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even with the spinning hammer upgrade its still quite hard to use

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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make it so it heals in attack or dash strike

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not the fricking spin

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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or like

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not make the spin's life steal garbage

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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the thing that makes the special charge fast is pretty great

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I do wish that was maybe doubled

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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best buff they could give gaun yu without changing it completley

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I tried a run using the life gain enhancer thing and it wasn't enough to boost it

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:10 AM

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make the spin default faster, or make the life stealer greater (but weaker if you take fast spin)

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I'm having a lot of fun with cursed slash where I didn't have much fun with guan yu

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:11 AM

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guan yu is anything but fun

small stirrup Nov 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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🔫 dusa

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Wat

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:12 AM

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i thinkt he major difference

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Cursed slash life steal feels like a safety blanket. you take damage and it's harder due to your lower hp, but you know you can keep attacking and get it back

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Gaun yu life steal feels like a crutch. You take damage so now you have to spam spin otherwise you suffer greater

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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thats why i said to make guan yu heal on attack or dash strikes

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and then you take more dmg, while charging the spin

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and get mad

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and quit

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:13 AM

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^

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just.. all of that

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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personal experience

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Hidden aspects should be ..ya know... fun

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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and they all are

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except gy

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I mean I don't enjoy lucifer that much but I can see the fun there

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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and maybe gilga

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but gilga is special

cunning ibex Nov 5, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I like gilga

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the dashes are fun

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the only hidden aspect i dont have yet is bow, but for all but guan yu I can see the fun in it even if I don't enjoy it personally

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:15 AM

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the bow is amazing

placid topaz Nov 5, 2020, 6:24 AM

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yeah hidden bow is great

rare kayak Nov 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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honestly if they took out lifesteal on spin and counterbalanced with removing health nerf i would probably enjoy gy more

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 6:56 AM

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thatd be amazing

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like why is it like to begin with

dusky nimbus Nov 5, 2020, 7:02 AM

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i just love the high base dmg

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i never cared abt the lifesteal since the spin doesnt really fit into the play style

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like idk maybe if loading a cast into spin, that makes it faster and can trigger doom, weak etc would be nice too, but provided the cast makes the spin instant

rare kayak Nov 5, 2020, 7:09 AM

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i mean i just run special with it tho

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i really want to see it with chain skewer

whole burrow Nov 5, 2020, 7:47 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656286517161099302/773815707120435231/unknown.png?width=937&height=586

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Right as I want to test out how quickly I can kill Hades, he freaking enters the story-cutscene where he won't fight

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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what weapon is this?

whole burrow Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Fist

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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weird

whole burrow Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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The idea was I could Q + Normal Attack and keep on repeating

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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yeah

whole burrow Nov 5, 2020, 7:48 AM

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And deal about 5000 damage in 3 seconds

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Because of Duo

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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im familiar haha

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just usually see it the other way around

whole burrow Nov 5, 2020, 7:49 AM

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I was fortunate enough to get Heroic Special Doom

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But yeah... Too bad I won't be able to test this build out

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Plot Armor was strong with Dad this time around

chilly nebula Nov 5, 2020, 7:53 AM

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How does Delta Chamber interact with hestia's rail?

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I managed to get one as an option from a hammer, didn't pick it because I worried it might botch my run

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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it doesnt do anything

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like yeah you dont have to reload

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but you want to reload

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and you can reload

chilly nebula Nov 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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ah ok

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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so why pick it if youre going to be reload it anyway

chilly nebula Nov 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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so it doesn't prevent you from reloading, but it's pointless

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 7:54 AM

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exactly

chilly nebula Nov 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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the first part's what I was worried about, thanks

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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cuase you want to reload with hestia

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yeah you can still reload, but then it makes the hammer pointless

chilly nebula Nov 5, 2020, 7:55 AM

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yep I can deduce that

dry quiver Nov 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Anyone else feel like Styx likes to screw you over by doubling and tripling down on god boons that are least helpful. Especially when you really want a different god to be doubled/tripled up on.

willow fossil Nov 5, 2020, 9:04 AM

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welcome to rng town

dry quiver Nov 5, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I’ve got Achilles 4 cast slicing shot with the Artemis duo for seeking. But only one ares room and I need at least two to get the ares legendary to make hades melt

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Sad thing is it happens so much that it starts to feel like the game is programmed this way

frank dew Nov 5, 2020, 9:11 AM

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It is to a degree you want to avoid too much diversity if you are going for specific boons that said i have managed to get 7duos and 2legendaries in the same run so its fairly random still

dry quiver Nov 5, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Still melted him but just not as fast. Got 3-5k per 4 cast.

silent talon Nov 5, 2020, 9:37 AM

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i had the ''perfect'' build with chiron and still i diddent like it because i can do more damage in other ways .. deadly flourish, heart rend and splitting headache, a lot of people like this but for some reason i just don't dig it and it takes a lot of effort to get most damage in IMHO

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Skull earring is 100% uptime for SD after act 1 right?
skull earring actually doesn't activate upon SD; you need to take at least 1 damage beyond that for it to work
Just to clarify, it works just fine, but SD healing rounds up, so you often get more than 30% HP.

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@mighty ermine @gray shore

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@silent talon why Splitting Headache? What was your Attack boon?

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Splitting Headache is more for Drunken Flourish.

silent talon Nov 5, 2020, 9:53 AM

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attack was aphro and had dio dash so everytime the big guy went into me he got hangover 5 stack

wide hornet Nov 5, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Any builds for sword 4?

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 10:47 AM

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divine flourish and true shot on that can give you opportunity to get deadly reversal and heart rend too

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smoldering air is broken though so whatever you find i guess

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Yeah, just any of those combos is really good.

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Smoldering Air is amazing on Excalibur especially because it normally builds god gauge so slowly.

kindred trout Nov 5, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Smoldering air / poseidon call has been the basis of some of my dumbest low heat runs. Excalibur doesn't really want zeus books normally but you could take a zeus cast or special if you have poseidon call

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Zeus' Aid is a faster and more reliable route though.

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But yeah, it's good with Poseidon's Aid, too.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 10:56 AM

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also on lower heats should probably be bigger dps

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with you also swinging your big fat sword around

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poseidon's or athena would both probably be better on higher heats though

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

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I think Zeus' Aid is better than both at high heat.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 10:58 AM

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really

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maybe i am just scared

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i like having 10 minute long shield

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🙂

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:06 AM

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divine flourish on arthur is a bit of a gamble, it's a fair bit slower than deadly or heartbreak strike. if you miss deadly reversal TD3 can be a problem

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:06 AM

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you still proc deadly off of divine dash if you get it right

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:07 AM

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if you're not under time pressure even frost strike is quite good

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:07 AM

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did you mean it's a gamble to get?

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does require quite a few boons

frank dew Nov 5, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Zeus aid have the benefit that you have other Zeus boons that boost its something most others dont get

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:08 AM

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yes, if you don't see it early you are slower. even if you get it in styx it didn't help you in elysium at all is what i mean

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Zeus aid had the benefit that it's good

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:08 AM

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#1 reason that Zeus' Aid is the best is that it's the fastest route to Smoldering Air.

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Also other boons also have boons that apply to them

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F.e. dionysus

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:09 AM

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getting athena early in your pool by getting divine dash should make getting flourish not really a huge problem

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:09 AM

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I'd put Dionysus' Aid at #1 otherwise.

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:09 AM

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you still proc deadly off of divine dash if you get it right
@opal lodge mechanically any deflection triggers deadly reversal. but the requirements are either divine strike or flourish. nothing else counts for the boon offering requirement from athena's side.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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ah i guess the order would probably divine flourish then dash

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in terms of acquisition

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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I'm still an athena aid stan
But just cause I like playing my build

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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No.

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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The others are still more effective

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Divine Dash > Divine Flourish.

frank dew Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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same with merciful end you could get lucky and get the duos and then sell or replace the other ones

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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you still take the dash first

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especially on a melee weapon

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Divine Dash>every other boon

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:10 AM

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depends on heat imo

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and objectives

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side note does anyone know the hades aspect WR

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for speed

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i know bablo probably has it

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oo 10 minutes

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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bablo has it. i don't remember exactly but it was barely over 8 minutes

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Deadly Reversal is not important enough unless maybe you're speedrunning. But then you wouldn't play Excalibur lol.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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oh jk

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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it's not officially submitted yet

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:11 AM

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must be unverified yeah

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:12 AM

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bablo cranked out quite a few new times

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:12 AM

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the highest one on the LB is 10:05

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i am very sad

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LOL

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7 minutes in elysium

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would have been a very happy hades aspect wr holder

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Heretic

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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😦

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just searching for crumbs

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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That's tailesques job

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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I think Divine Flourish is BiS on Excalibur, though.

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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but anyway the better build for arthur both in power and consistency involves heartbreak strike or deadly strike still. divine strike is just a slower but moderately safer alternative that relies a lot on seeing deadly reversal if you want to be on pace for td3 3+ sack not ending your run

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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BiS?

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Nothing really that beats 360 degrees of Deflect lol.

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Best in Slot.

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Anime

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Feels

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but anyway the better build for arthur both in power and consistency involves heartbreak strike or deadly strike still. divine strike is just a slower but moderately safer alternative that relies a lot on seeing deadly reversal if you want to be on pace for td3 3+ sack not ending your run
@mellow quest what you say bout double edge on that?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:14 AM

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heartbreak strike feels like the right choice but i always go for artemis

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double edge why

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Aaay

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Jinx

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:15 AM

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i don't think double edge is that good on arthur

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but i could be wrong

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honestly i'd take shadow slash ove rit

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:15 AM

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The dash strike is a little awkward on arthur but it's still good.

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 11:15 AM

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I usually play with shield, aspect of Zeus and doom on the special

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rate my strat

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:15 AM

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tailesque had to use it for their 46 clear

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you basically just feel like you're playing ghetto nemesis though

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Dash is faster
Double procs
Still decent damage imo

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For double

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It's generally safer
Not necessarily better/more powerful

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More like holy crusader nemesis

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I usually play with shield, aspect of Zeus and doom on the special
@turbid needle zeus explosive catch, thunder flourish only way

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:17 AM

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My 5 hammer ratings on arthur would be

cursed slash, if you have aphrodite and athena in the pool and see enough DR
shadow slash
breaching slash
double edge
greater consecration

silent talon Nov 5, 2020, 11:18 AM

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please tell me where i can buy those victory banners .. you can DM me with the info if you don't wanna make this spoil town but i need to know , i have over 30 clears but still don't have one .. 😦

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Contractor

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:18 AM

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i keep getting 4+ sacked 😦

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

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It'll show up 🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

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this is what i deserve for heresy

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:19 AM

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It'll soon be lifted

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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rip greater consecration

analog sail Nov 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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please tell me where i can buy those victory banners .. you can DM me with the info if you don't wanna make this spoil town but i need to know , i have over 30 clears but still don't have one .. 😦
@silent talon you mean the themes for the victory screen? Pretty sure you need to reach thr epilogue for those to show up

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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it's nice but it doesn't do anything for your output.

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not directly anyway

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:20 AM

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I'd put Greater Consecration higher than that, personally. But I can see the reasoning.

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@silent talon there's a guide pinned in #h1-story-discussion that has all that kind of endgame info.

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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So how often do you guys buy temporary buffs

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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cast builds

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Because I dont think I've ever really touched any of the non-healing ones

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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maybe if i have extra money and i want to go for speed

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i buy jerky

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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I buy the armor thing pretty often

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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that one too

proven osprey Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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at styx mostly

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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stygian shard going into styx can be quite funny

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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i buy a lot of jerky and the armor one a lot if i don't have an anti-armor hammer

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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but yeah if i am running a cast build the braid of atlas and prometheus stone are just such good items

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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@turbid needle Curse of Pain + Divine Strike + Divine Dash and Merciful End is a powerful strategy for Zeus Aspect.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:23 AM

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and the braid of atlas is soooo dirt cheap

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I don't buy healing, so I buy the other ones like all the time.

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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it depends on how much CF is on though as well as UC. sometimes you just have to be able to afford boon purchases.

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Not every time, though.

west trail Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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So I'm at heat level 12 with chaos shield and still not struggling at all. Not even losing one deaths defiance. When I use bow it feels similar. But when I try the fists or spear I really struggle to do it at even heat 1. Are the shield and bow that much better or is it something else? For the fists I'm OK on bosses but suck in styx for the encounters

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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@silent talon you mean the themes for the victory screen? Pretty sure you need to reach thr epilogue for those to show up
@analog sail showed up for me pre epilogue

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Aether Net and Ignited Ichor I buy near 100% of the time.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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yeah i hate CF so i've only recently started using it

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:24 AM

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So I'm at heat level 12 with chaos shield and still not struggling at all. Not even losing one deaths defiance. When I use bow it feels similar. But when I try the fists or spear I really struggle to do it at even heat 1. Are the shield and bow that much better or is it something else? For the fists I'm OK on bosses but suck in styx for the encounters
@west trail personal preference my m8

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Unless I really need the obols for something.

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Maybe they're just not your style

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Give em time

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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need to recalibrate my brain for new prices

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I think fists sword and spear are much more dependent on getting the right hammers

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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ichor is one of my favorites to manage to bring into the Hades fight

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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aether net is actually very good

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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any movement bonus you can muster is huge there

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Spear is dependent on me playing gy

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Gotta try out hades tho

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I don't think Malphon really relies on particular hammers. thanthink

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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it can go faster than people think it can

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Obviously Breaching Cross is #1, but you don't need it.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 AM

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fist likes certain hammers better than others but i would not say dependent yeah

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spear too

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 AM

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malphon doesn't need good hammers, but it does have silly things like breaching cross

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 AM

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on most aspects serrated point > others

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 AM

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For me sword and fists just feel so bad without an armor damage hammer

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 AM

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but it's not mando

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breaching slash does next to nothing on non-arthur swords imo

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better off getting hide breaker

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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it affects dash strike armor damage, right?

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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I wish there were more dash hammers on the level of serrated point

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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It really genuinely does nothing because Dash-Strike spam is still faster lol.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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tbh i wish there were more hammers that were a genuine trade off

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instead of side-grades or slight buffs

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Shouldn't that also make dash strike deal more damage to armor?

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Only Piercing Wave and Double Edge affect Dash Strikes on Stygius.

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Are the weapons more or less balanced or is there one that's clearly better?

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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^

turbid needle Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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thanks for the advice btw

west trail Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Yeh I was trying guan yu spear. It feels amazing for a while then I just lose all my lives rapidly near the end

cunning urchin Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Eris is way better than anything else.

opal lodge Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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eris rail > other things but other than that it's mostly personal preference

ebon pewter Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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I think the bow shield and gun are generally better than the other 3

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Because they just have safer damage from the start

primal hazel Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Oh I thought we were still talking arthur sry> Only Piercing Wave and Double Edge affect Dash Strikes on Stygius.
@cunning urchin

mellow quest Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 AM

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the worst thing you can say about the balance of the game is that eris is extremely strong relative to everything else and the zag/nem/pos sword attack combo is trash.