can you get triple jab with gy?
#h1-builds-and-combat
unkempt pagoda
cunning urchin
Yeah.
unkempt pagoda
if it's possible, i might try to lean into the dash-comboing a bit more
cunning urchin
Yeah, we gotta figure out how to use it effectively before we can really judge it.
I think if you do Dash-Attack > Dash-Attack > Dash-Attack, right now it's very difficult to aim.
ocean mango
The final boss really is a lot harder than the rest of the game
Most runs turn into not losing more than one DD before him
cunning urchin
I feel like it worked better in the test branch. Like I could change Zag's direction later in the Guan Yu Attack animation? @fossil wing were there any changes like that, if I may ask? Maybe I'm imagining it lol.
Yeah, final boss hits hard. 
woven vortex
i tried the athena to replenish stubborn defiance, it works got 3 lives like that : o
distant oar
I picked up an aphro boon in styx and the only options were to replace previous boons that I had. Is fated persuasion the only way to avoid this?
cunning urchin
You can't necessarily avoid it. Sometimes they actually have no other boons to offer than exchanges.
Don't know if that was the case here.
But otherwise, you can only avoid it with Fated Persuasion, yes.
untold iris
the only two weapons left that I havent really touched are shield and spear
what's a consistently reliable spear build that I can use from 1-32 heat?
do i just grab aphrodite and poke people?
cobalt pier
I can't seem to find a decent sword build to consistently do well with even at 2 heat
ocean mango
Do dashes while attacking (like with the last adamant rail aspect for example) not have iframes?
Or not as many as a normal dash, maybe?
unkempt pagoda
dash strikes do not have iframes, no
as soon as you press the attack input, poof goes the invulnerability 😔
ocean mango
Hm ok
With fists, dashing right after having let go of attack also seems to produce a dash-attack. Does that attack have iframes?
And what exact effect does deflecting non-projectile attacks have? It doesn't seem to stop the attack from hitting you, so only the deflected damage is the upside there?
unkempt pagoda
With fists, dashing right after having let go of attack also seems to produce a dash-attack. Does that attack have iframes?
this doesn't seem right, as dash attack is supposed to purely be a dash->attack input, though there could always be some weird interactions going on
And what exact effect does deflecting non-projectile attacks have? It doesn't seem to stop the attack from hitting you, so only the deflected damage is the upside there?
deflected attacks deal no damage to you, you shouldn't be getting damaged by a deflected melee attack
brave hill
I think you're holding attack longer than you think if you're getting dash attack off
Either that or the buffer for fists is very big
Also I feel like aside from hestia and hidden aspect I can't build rail to do any sort of meaningful damage
unkempt pagoda
fists being able to hold down attack lets you do dash strikes by just pressing dash
proven osprey
whispers in eris
unkempt pagoda
also, i always seem to underestimate the input timing for dash strikes, which is very generous
proven osprey
you're generous
brave hill
Is eris really that powerful? I've used it and it didn't feel that strong
Hestia's empowered shot straight up nukes
unkempt pagoda
best user of lightning strike and probably drunken strike in the game
brave hill
Wait it's all damage?
unkempt pagoda
really you just gotta look at one of the speedrunning videos to see it in action
yeah lol
brave hill
6:17 wtf
brave hill
i'm currently sitting at 19 minutes as my best record 
i don't wanna see chaos more than twice that fellow scares me
they make me feel judged
proven osprey
There are actually quite a lot of people who use his theme
it is so scary
also I like the guy
but man
void glade
hestia bestia
void glade
i dont know what im talking about lol
sour bramble
I'm honestly leaning towards Hestia, I do manually reload a lot.
So it might be good value.
unkempt pagoda
hestia needs a good bit of investment to get to its full potential
sour bramble
Eris just seems good though, especially with the shotgun hammer.
unkempt pagoda
at first level, it's pretty eh
untold iris
eris is in the running for best aspect in the game
but it plays mostly just as a better version of zag gun
hestia plays differently, if that's more what you're interested in
sour bramble
I've finally started playing with heat so I should be getting a bit more in terms of resources.
Starting off at a lil babby 1 heat for now, but I want to try out the boss buff one.
untold iris
basically, hestia offers a different playstyle that lets you switch things up
eris is broken but you play it basically the exact same as you would play the default zagreus gun
sour bramble
Sounds good to me.
I'm starting off with jury summons because more enemies = better economy.
Literally just stonks.
untold iris
i would recommend starting with extreme measures
its one of the easier pacts, and offers some variety because it changes up the boss fights
if you're going to climb to 20 heat you will likely need to take up to EM3 anyways, so its good to learn the fights now
sour bramble
EM is what I'm going to go to after I max out heat 1.
Because, y'know, why wouldn't I get everything I can from each heat level.
untold iris
EM1 is one heat
sour bramble
I'm running at one heat right now with jury summons.
So once I've got my rewards from finishing runs with that, I can flick on EM1 and be at two.
Which, unless I'm small brain, should let me farm more goodies.
devout ether
I recommend going with EM heat before other things. It concentrates the difficulty spikes on just the bosses instead of throughout the entire run
With the exception of EM4, I find this to be much easier than buffing all encounters in the game
EM1 and EM2 are pretty free
unkempt pagoda
also, new dialogue and story
kindred hearth
Definitely agree with @devout ether, em1-3 provide heat but don't penalize 90% of the run
Em4 sucks to learn tho.
whole axle
Does bull rush into auto attack = dash attack?
unkempt pagoda
dash attack input is specifically dash -> attack
maiden holly
tbh JS and HS are free heat because they can work in your favor
JS gets you more gold and HS can make traps do more damage to enemies :P
devout ether
JS gets you more gold and HS can make traps do more damage to enemies :P
@maiden holly I've taken too many sawblades to the face to reliably take HS though ;___;
marsh pumice
HS is death 
brave hill
If you're good enough running TD1 is an easy 1 heat bonus
CP I find is another easy heat bonus since the HP bonuses are negligible if you build correctly
But for story purposes definitely use EM
New dialogue pools
mossy light
never take FO
brave hill
FO is hard yikes
mossy light
granted, going from FO1 back to FOzero makes you feel like neo from the matrix, but you can get higher heat with the other pacts
hoary aurora
Wait, does HS work on enemies too?
brave hill
Yeah
It's worth taking if you're good at avoiding magma and traps
And raises their effectiveness like crazy
maiden holly
more like avoiding the urns in the final fight :p
brave hill
lmao HS + EM4
dude calls so many urns it's like I'm playing a level from crash
jump on this one box right next to all these nitros
hoary aurora
Cool, good to know, thanks, NiTESPEED.
brave hill
Np
tranquil violet
Hmm. So sometimes the exploding skulls when I fight hades seem to only emir a barely visible wave (the snow effect) and not the energy ring
Is that normal or a bug?
It seems inconsistent...?
brave hill
Do you kill them beforehand?
I've never had that happen to me unless I've offed them beforehand
still vigil
I think imma take a break from attempting 32 heat cause oof qwq
bitter cape
Y'all ever just get double blacked out dou's you need to finish a fate list?
devout ether
dude calls so many urns it's like I'm playing a level from crash
@brave hill I hate it when he summons three urns on top of each other
whole axle
Which biomes are you able to fight chiron?
devout ether
All save styx
unkempt pagoda
first 3
devout ether
It's a 22% chance to get the moneybag in a mid-biome shop
So, not the guaranteed pre-boss shop
tranquil violet
What's a good build archetype for Lucifer?
Seems... interesting but I'm not sure how to work it well
unkempt pagoda
triple bomb with a good +% special
tranquil violet
I'm trying Zeus attack
Next door is Poisedon I guess his special would be decent with sea storm
And it has decent %
unkempt pagoda
i recommend aphro, artemis, or athena special imo
tranquil violet
Yeah those would be preferable
Unsure what to take from Poseidon then
Could take dash I suppose
Or Hydraulic might is always nice
untold vortex
poseidon dash is pretty great, if you can get sea storm as well it gets even better
tranquil violet
But if Poseidon is going to be in my pool I'd probably want something that leads to Sea Storm
Yeah
unkempt pagoda
targeting system is also fine, if you're leaning into zeus attack
you basically get a discount eris
tranquil violet
Aphro or hammer choice
I guess I'll take Aphro to get her in the pool and hopefully get her special
Hammer will come back later
unkempt pagoda
are you kbm or controller?
tranquil violet
Controller
unkempt pagoda
cause a special build might not work as well on a controller
tranquil violet
Ehhhh
Aphro or hammer then?
I'm pretty sure if I pass up this hammer I'll still see 2...
devout ether
I tend to value Hammers higher than Boons
tranquil violet
Yeah same but I do want to shape my pool with gods I actually want early
Also: with Zeus attack Aphro special seems fine on controller
It's not like I actually have to aim at the orbs anyways haha
If an enemy is close enough to get hit by one it's close enough for chain lightning to set it off
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
devout ether
You're not guaranteed two hammers by any means
untold vortex
2 hammer rooms (assuming you take them when they show up) are guaranteed to show up throughout the run, whether or not you take em is up to you
if you take no hammer rooms till elysium for example you'll see 2 hammer rooms
in elysium
untold vortex
that's an exception and semantics
untold vortex
under normal circumstances you will see at least 2 hammer (assuming you skip 1 or more) rooms in a run
untold vortex
similarly with Hermes, you will see 2 Hermes boons throughout a run
tranquil violet
It's a pool system of some sort
If you pass up a hammer you might (might!) still get one in the same area
But it's mixed into the pool or other golden rewards rather than in the priority pool
Also I got triple bomb, Aphro special (epic), 60% special chaos boon 🙂
This is fun
And Zeus attack
And Poseidon dash and call.
untold vortex
if you don't you'll definitely see at least one in the next (styx is an exception in this case where you'll only see 1 hammer room option even if you have no hammers)
spark meteor
first time doing mid-heat runs with rama and idk if im using it right but i love just spamming demeter special + killing freeze + arctic explosion
tranquil violet
Damn
Lucifer is substantially better with triple bomb
Triple Bomb + Trippy Shot works quite nicely on controller
If you launch them all in quick succession the timing works our just right so yeah trippy shot detonates the orbs
tranquil violet
Middle Management...
Pre-Styx: oh this is fine
Styx:
devout ether
It do get a little nuts
tranquil violet
The upgraded snakestone and upgraded satyr
Not appreciated
Very bullet hell. Kinda fun though.
jovial harness
there's always like one or two end-rooms in styx that are like...The Bad Room
timber oyster
Just unlocked the tiger paws. What's are good options for attack and special?
proper flame
I did an ares + aphro duo run with the tiger paws and it shredded @timber oyster not sure how good it actually is but i got to styx really fast
timber oyster
Cool, I'll look into it. Which boon on which option?
spark meteor
i like going for a doom/deflect merficul end build with gilga
proper flame
what he's saying!
proper flame
its like nonstop dooming its funny
spark meteor
also look out for Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom from Ares
proper flame
and exposed from athena
toxic rose
God why is beowulf so fun
untold vortex
impending doom moreso than dire misfortune
toxic rose
Beo is fire
untold vortex
impending doom just does more for you tbh (with ME)
toxic rose
The thing with beo is u can load cast when on the way of charging
proper flame
u take charge shot for hammer?
proper flame
how do u do ur cast? the regen or the 3 cast/pick it up?
proper flame
how come?
cloud garden
Any fun builds on fists, ppl?
spark meteor
ares on attack, athena on dash and spec
@cloud garden
for gilga fists
cuz u have extra dashes for funtimes
cloud garden
@spark meteor nice! Thanks will try it out. Been having fun with gilga. Did a poseidon dash + zeus pos sea storm duo. Was super fun too
azure walrus
So, I gotta say one thing. Lightning Rod is a hard carry man. God that's a fantastic Duo.
Got my first Guan Yu spear victory thanks a large part on Lightning Rod being so set and forget.
Pretty generous window on "nearby"
mossy light
lightning rod is super fun
sometimes you just want to cast 3 spells and run around circles for a minute
azure walrus
Yeah, throw out three wine puddles, wait for them to expire, and then suddenly CC turns into extreme dps
dry quiver
Yeah it’s nice with Hestia where you spend more time focusing on reload special attack reload special attack. Can just forget the cast with it
azure walrus
It's good on any build imo where you don't really care about your cast. Anything that's one button too many can benefit from Lightning Rod IMO
azure walrus
Yeah, Guan Yu's special is really, really good
Only use the lifesteal spin in circumstances where you know it's safe. Like enemy spawning
The lag time on release is very punishing
Honestly I think Guan Yu still needs balancing adjustments, but I'll still trust Supergiant
opal lodge
i got sweet nectar in like
chamber 7
or something
and then rolled everything into a pom and sold any boon that wasnt sweet nectar or my special
could have gotten 35 but the blossom upgraded positive outlook twice 😦
azure walrus
Honestly I don't think you'd miss much, with the scaling being so logarithmic xD
half crater
how much of a bonus it was it actually giving you at the end?
like, +1% or something?
opal lodge
unironically though try to just get charged skewer on GY
mossy light
aww, i couldnt get shotgun rockets this game
half crater
i gotta lift my game
azure walrus
I'm still yet to get rockets
opal lodge
i expect a 40 by next week
mossy light
rockets are kinda overrated, but theyre easier to work with
hazard/triple/cluster is more impactful
azure walrus
triple bomb is pretty sick yeah
That being said, accuracy is, in its own way, a DPS increase.
If you can hit more, you do more damage
mossy light
... one problem with this whole artemis +20 spec speed + clusterbomb combo is that i cant see anything
half crater
and that’s like, basically all that matters on eris
filling the screen with so many explosions you don’t know what’s even happening is the goal tbh
azure walrus
That's what we call in the biz, a "nonbo"
opal lodge
rocket bomb on eris goes dummy
azure walrus
I'm amazed they let you get that Daedelus boon with Eris.
opal lodge
yes i like either i-framing or taking 3 damage to get the most out of my weapon this is a good idea
mossy light
well, the point of eris is to either hit yourself or your enemy with the bomb. if hazard, youre quite likely to hit one or both
cluster works better tho
mellow quest
cluster rockets is fair and balanced
half crater
^
mellow quest
this message was sponsored by the aspect of eris
tranquil violet
I'm literally Satan and I approve this message.
opal lodge
i remember they were trying to figure out if delta chamber is actually good or not
did we ever get an answer
half crater
yes
turbid needle
am i the only ding dong who only runs w the shield + zag aspect (cries)
half crater
it’s good
half crater
not top tier, but solid
mellow quest
but now it's really solid as a backup hammer
half crater
but yeah it used to be garbage
mossy light
uggh, cluster bombs is completely ruining this hunting blades run by outshining it
half crater
lol
mossy light
zagshield is fine, its the third best!
mellow quest
zag shield is pretty good actually, it just has a very narrow space
ionic lantern
I like Chaos Shield best, due to it being the only Shield I have used
And it looks cool!
azure walrus
I've never much tried Zag shield
half crater
turns out 40 base damage is fine, really
mossy light
chaos shield is also good, its 4th best!
half crater
mellow quest
i think it has speedrun potential for the shield category. but wouldn't be as fast as a good beowulf run
azure walrus
Personally I like Beowulf shield the best. I love heavy weapons.
turbid needle
i used chaos shield a bit but i stick w zag now. i tried zeus and instantly decided She Wasn't For Me
tranquil violet
Beowulf and Chaos are both fun
half crater
as a chaos main, chaos really isn’t that good now
ionic lantern
Who is Beowulf supposed to be in this context?
half crater
it’s better than some people think it is tho
mellow quest
i don't like the new chaos shield. it was already extremely picky about what worked on the special even when it basically played the game for you
azure walrus
Chaos is fun to use. You have to upgrade it a bit for it to be... good
opal lodge
chaos is still the only wep ive beat 32+ with
tranquil violet
@ionic lantern this strong guy who killed that meanie Grendel
ionic lantern
So that Beowulf
half crater
chaos is still the safest weapon in the game
opal lodge
has a lot of good ways to deal with pacts that arent bosses
ionic lantern
Got it
toxic rose
Beo is lit
half crater
problem is it has trash dps now
mellow quest
it's safe but painfully slow
half crater
exactly
mellow quest
like the shields are already a little slower to begin with baseline
opal lodge
can still meet deadlines with zeus special
mellow quest
chaos is immensely slow even with a perfect build
opal lodge
beo is the popular speed choice atm
azure walrus
Beo does dummy DPS
half crater
i’m no speedrunner, but my fastest run is with beo
opal lodge
can get very quick with good cast mgmt
ionic lantern
I haven't gotten to Beo yet
mellow quest
beo is slow baseline but let's be real you're getting a cast to start 9/10 times
opal lodge
stygian/infernal really depends ont he flare
ionic lantern
I have only unlocked Guan Yu aspect and Rama aspect thus farf
opal lodge
rama is stupid slept on
toxic rose
Beo + aphro cast is very consistent
turbid needle
i'm so slow i only got out twice so far, and i keep getting to styx but losing right before i can get out. sad
mellow quest
rama is my favorite bow now
half crater
i’ve had solid special starts with beo
ionic lantern
Still need to gain the ability to actually use Rama
half crater
but usually i still want a cast early
ionic lantern
Rama's bow that is
mellow quest
i'm a sucker for the bow in general now that it is actually good
azure walrus
Rama is great, but I'm so bad at its powershot lol
mellow quest
it was so much worse before 1.0
azure walrus
Zag bow is pretty lit actually
ionic lantern
Quite a bit
ionic lantern
The aspect that has done best for me with the Bow is Chiron aspect
mellow quest
zag bow is good but it's very bland
ionic lantern
Chiron Aspect is so fuuuun
toxic rose
Im painfully slow with chiron
azure walrus
I got aspect of Zag bow, with point blank hammer boon, and artemis' dash, and I was just dash dancing like mad
toxic rose
I like hera
ionic lantern
Zag Bow is all about using the main attack
mellow quest
by the way if ou're playing zag or hera and you see charged volley, take it. if it leads into concentrated volley you win the game
azure walrus
The hammer boon that adds +5 special is also nutty on Chiron
Heat seeking death arrow
mellow quest
any % boost on the special is good but deadly flourish will get you 10k+ damage volleys
it's dumb and great
azure walrus
Hmm. I shall have to try that.
Also, can we talk about how absolutely chad Excalibur is
mellow quest
i like it but i can't get above 28 heat on it
azure walrus
It was my first secret aspect besides Guan Yu, and when I unlocked it, I, no joke, was like "no way" out loud.
mellow quest
i've hit 32-36 on everything else
well. excluding the zag/nem swords because i don't like those
azure walrus
Zag sword with Cursed Slash is incredible IMO
I like Zag Sword in general actually, it's zippy and responsive
mellow quest
so is Excalibur
you can stack enough DR that -60% hp isn't that bad compared to healing 10 hp a swing in rooms
just because you hit everything
azure walrus
That's true, the swing radius of Excalibur does mean that cursed slash isn't as bad as it appears
I've taken it
half crater
that is pretty nice ngl
mellow quest
it just gets dumped on by heat
mossy light
nggh, i need to buy 2 more anvils to complete the codex
mellow quest
fo2, dc in particular
half crater
i refuse to turn off FO2, which seriously hurts my arthur runs
azure walrus
What's FO again?
mellow quest
my fastest sword clear is arthur, by about 10 seconds under my posideon electric shot + snow burst run
forced overtime
What's FO again?
@azure walrus
mellow quest
elite strongbows are also really gross
they get spammed and waste your time running away
and if you try to do something else first you get 6 of them shooting 3 times each at you
azure walrus
Chariots are nightmarish even on FO0
half crater
elite strongbows are the worst exalted imo
greatshields are annoying, but they just waste my time
strongbows will actually kill me with the wrong BP perks
mossy light
i gotta go with bows, shields suck, chariots suck, but bows kill
mellow quest
chariots would be significantly less bad if they couldn't hit you after they have died
mossy light
mmn. trap kill on boss 1
cunning urchin
I'd take any Exalted BP combo over Speeder Greatshields.
untold vortex
hoarding slash is fun, it's not a particularly strong hammer on 4th sword
cunning urchin
Speeder Greatshields at high heat are actually a boss fight.
untold vortex
Speeder FO2 greatshields 
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
You can't react to that startup lol.
And there's no actual opening if it's like 3 or more of them.
untold vortex
you wanted to do a thing, nope you get a face full of shield
mellow quest
it's not even reliable to blow a summon on speeder greatshields because too fast for meg even sometimes
north knot
Wait, are there actually archetypes beyond focusing a gods boons
solid hazel
full hoarding slash run
Helian got up to 6k and with flurry slash it was actually incredibly strong
of course he did a stupid amount of save scumming to get both flurry slash and hoarding slash
in the realm of more reasonable things...GY is pretty hammer dependent and not that boon dependent
mellow quest
i mean, flurry slash is just about the only time hoarding is any decent, considering it adds flat damage at the end of everything else
it is not an actual % boost
solid hazel
yup, I can't really think of any other case
and you still probably need to be like at least 4k gold for it to be good
rare kayak
surely he wouldnt alternate jars and lasers for six attacks right
surely he wouldnt
take a guess
unkempt pagoda
surely he wouldn't waste precious seconds of your td timer by constantly disappearing
mellow quest
surely i won't hear him say "darkness" 4 times in a row
rare kayak
surely, every time he summons jars, he wouldnt summon one right behind the pillar im next to
right\
mellow quest
surely phase 1 won't be triple soul catcher and i will keep my acorn charges for actual hits
unkempt pagoda
surely phase 1 won't be triple sneak and i'll actually keep my sd charge
mellow quest
i just anvil purchased on rama, dropped triple shot for twin shot chain shot. already had perfect shot.
never punished
tranquil violet
If you just always take hammers you don't want, the anvil is always good.
Big brain.
serene zealot
Wow the new update make Lucifer wayyy too strong
I dont feel that Guan Yu is stronger tho 😂
viscid pawn
Is the Anvil at the end generally a good thing to grab
viscid pawn
Supposing you didn't have a hammer
vague ermine
what
if you have 0 hammers then get it
why wouldnt you get the hammer lol
thats like the best boon
granite cedar
Man, I beat the game one time through a cast build and have gone through over 10 other playthroughs without getting far at all. like, died to asterius.
untold vortex
You can't take the anvil if you have no hammers
vague ermine
hermes legendary boon is absolutely nutty
untold vortex
Since you can't lose a hammer if you don't have one already
vague ermine
-1 hammers pog
sour spire
the hermes legendary boon got me through for the first time yesterday night too :"3
granite cedar
at the end there my cast was doing 300 a pop and I had five of the things
sour spire
hermes ftw lol
granite cedar
bloodstones, I think they're called.
mellow quest
bad news is fun
granite cedar
hermes is great
sour spire
truuuuuuuue lol
granite cedar
sort of fitting, since he's a psychopomp
that he'd be good at getting people out of the underworld
vague ermine
can you lvl up support fire or no?
hollow folio
with poms? yes
lapis idol
im not crazy about the gun still
lapis idol
any suggestions about how to play it for more fun / flow
vague ermine
build zeus for room clear
azure walrus
It took me a while to warm up to it but after that I was like oh
vague ermine
all are good but i use eris rn
75% damage boost on all sources i think
shotgun eris hot
azure walrus
Also unlock Hestia, it'll get your reload muscle memory up
azure walrus
And yeah, Demeter and Zeus are great for main attack
Zeus just cleans packs and Demeter is "no you don't get to play"
Dionysus is also a good choice
lapis idol
the talos magnetic cutter seems super fun
but i love the base twin fist double strike on special
stark ore
Zag Shotgun sounds kinda good actually, I should try it out sometime
white abyss
now that ive got aspect of guan yu how do i get the other hidden ones
azure walrus
You need 5 blood invested in whatever weapon you hope to unlock
Then talk to the proper npc
Sometimes there's a prerequisite line they have to give you before the waking phrase
Usually one commenting on your weapon
willow fossil
tranquil violet
5 blood invested in NON-ZAGREUS aspects in a given weapon!
Zeus special on Chaos shield is kinda fun
Sucks on single enemy targets pretty badly
But it clears rooms
azure walrus
Oh does it have to be non zag? I'm pretty sure I've done with with Zag
Yeah, actually I definitely have, because I put 5 in Stygius to please Skelly, and nothing else, and got Arthur
So I'm 100% sure Zagreus aspects count
tranquil violet
it has to be non-Zag from what I understand
But huh interesting
Maybe my info is out of date
Also I think you mean Schelemeus
Commander of the 2nd fleet of the Cretan navy.
azure walrus
Naturally
vague ermine
jesus artemis and zeus duo boon is so fun to use
placid topaz
which one is that again?
placid topaz
ahh ok - yeah thats pretty nice with 3-4 casts 🙂
proven osprey
Jesus and Artemis duo ? 
vague ermine
jesus and guy fieri duo boon is kinda op ngl
robust anchor
for those of you that tried it how significant does the twin shot buff feel
warped smelt
hi
how do you increase the rarity of boon?
i mean i saw people got godlike boon
do i have to feed them nectar?
candid igloo
half crater
or demeter's boon rare crop
half crater
giving the god's nectar doesn't effect your boons, no
you can unlock items by doing it, and it gives you story stuff yeah
rare kayak
honestly
rare crop is a meme boon
it should pick up an extra boon if you hit it with eury
analog sail
Rare crop only feels worth it at epic
cunning urchin
Getting a common Rare Crop as your second boon on your common Attack can be great.
Its value depends a lot on what boons you have.
Any Rare Crop on a core boon from Lord Zeus is a jackpot. The boost he gets from Epic to Heroic is huge.
analog sail
How rare is it to get rare crop as your second boon tho
boreal ermine
Not any rarer than others really, if you happen to get demeter
I've had common rare crop as a second boon
cunning urchin
She also has Cold Fusion, so those two just make a really good combo.
half crater
i once had a run saved by common rare crop in elysium
it very luckily hit the one thing that would make a difference
so it happens
analog sail
Well it has to conflict with at least three core boons
cunning urchin
It's actually rarer than some others because at least 1 slot that she offers will be a priority boon: Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash.
barren otter
Can Rare Crop hit a boon that is already Heroic?
cunning urchin
I've heard that it can.
barren otter
I've also heard that Rare Crop can't hit any Hermes boons, is that true?
cunning urchin
I don't think that's true. But I don't recall specifically that it happened to me. You can get Heroic boons from him with Eurydice's Ambrosia Delight, so I don't see why it shouldn't be possible.
barren otter
ambrosia delight*
cunning urchin
Exactly like I said. 
sweet blade
Olympian Favor or Dark Foresight?
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight.
serene zealot
Does rare crop guaranteed to activate in the final fight?
Last time I take it, it did
And damn Zeus attack is crazy with it
But if it leave to chace idk if it worth it 😂
cunning urchin
The final boss fight counts as an encounter.
lusty sail
what should i use with aspect of hades spear build?
cunning urchin
Usually it's Deadly Strike and either Divine Dash or Hunter Dash for Hades Aspect.
lusty sail
i got deadly strike to level 4
cunning urchin
To make the most of the debuff you apply.
lusty sail
debuff is extra dmg right?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
cunning urchin
+150% damage.
cunning urchin
You actually don't need to put poms on Deadly Strike, like it's not such a big priority, because it doesn't scale that well.
lusty sail
oh, i upgraded it since i was having trouble with dmg output
cunning urchin
Of course you should still do it when there's no other good option.
That's probably mainly because the debuff is still at Lv.1.
Deadly Strike benefits most from all kinds of t2 crit boons you can get.
And also Deadly Reversal or Heart Rend.
And of course any boons you can get from Master Chaos.
You'll want Serrated Point > Explosive Launcher > Charged Skewer for hammers.
In that order.
lusty sail
but isnt it rng based
cunning urchin
Right. I'm saying that's the priority if you see any of those three.
lusty sail
ok
cunning urchin
Usually a good chance that you'll see at least one of them.
lusty sail
i have flaring spin and extending ab
so i'm guessin those arent the priority
gotcha
cunning urchin
Yeah, those are more like if you don't see anything good, you might pick those.
Not saying you can't do very well with them. But you'll be lacking in DPS compared to the three I mentioned.
idle violet
Does the Ares "dmg bonus after kill" boon apply to the entire bow special, or just the first shot fired in the volley?
cunning urchin
Massive Spin is nice if you see it. I'd take that over anything else if those three aren't offered.
@idle violet that's a very good question, and I don't know if anyone has the answer to that lol.
regal heart
Just got Relentless Volley with Chiron Bow and wow I see why they nerfed it
idle violet
Oh well, thanks 🙂
cunning urchin
Maybe if you find out, you can let us know.
idle violet
Will try to test it out when I next get a chance to play
cunning urchin
They buffed Chiron to the top in 1.0, so they just brought it back down a little bit. It's still really good.
Drunken Flourish builds are practically unaffected by the nerf and very strong.
idle violet
Did a run with Demeter special bow, applying a full stack of chill with Relentless Volley was fun 😄
cunning urchin
I don't know if I've ever tried that one. Definitely not in 1.0.
I have 600+ hours in this game and still probably haven't tried half the builds I can think of lol.
dusky nimbus
Anyone good with the spear or gauntlets? Im looking for build suggestions 🙂
vague ermine
How do peopel even pull off hermes cast builds
You must have god luck to be able to pull recall
onyx parcel
Anyone good with the spear or gauntlets? Im looking for build suggestions 🙂
@dusky nimbus lightning strike on fist
Or heartbreak strike for raw damage
Special u can go for aphro for raw damage or Artemis for fun crit built
finite socket
I normally go Athena or Ares for attack
onyx parcel
Athena dash is always good
Or u can play merciful end
Ares on attack, Athena on special and dash
And get the duo
onyx parcel
Insanely good
Maybe best duo in the game
Ur abilities that can deflect immediately activate doom effect
Which means u can deal a ton of damage in a short time
Especially with fist
With stacking doom and impending doom... it’s absolutely insane
dusky nimbus
my fave duos are still curse of longing/ curse of nausea, or if im lucky enough exclusive access early game
but i just struggle with taking damage on the fists and spear
the damage is fine XD
finite socket
You could try stuff like Heart Rend
Or Low Tolerance
They're insanely good too
But not for fists
dusky nimbus
hmmm yea i do like hangover but just comparring zues to dionysus which does more damage? (on the fists)
finite socket
Zeus imo
fathom cargo
on fists, Draining Cutter is really helpful for survivability imo!
dusky nimbus
i've tried many dionysus builds on hera bow and i love it, esp with low tolerance
and black out if u can get it
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike is not really good for damage on Malphon compared to what you can get.
Curse of Agony is #1, and Lightning Strike is #2.
dusky nimbus
on fists, Draining Cutter is really helpful for survivability imo!
@fathom cargo i see
although for the fists im using talos aspect, i think thats the best?
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect is the strongest.
dusky nimbus
heh.... i have no titan blood to unlock and max demeter now T_T
dusky nimbus
but im confused talos aspect the magnetic cutter buff only has more damage on the special or does it also increase damage on the attack when applied?
toxic rose
With demeter edging out from higher specila burst
dusky nimbus
zues call with smoldering air duo on the fists? i wanna try that out
toxic rose
Fist doesnt rly buff cast
dusky nimbus
yeah most of the fists ignore cast
but i think crush shot is alright on malphon?
or athena perhaps?
fathom cargo
I personally like a longer ranged cast on fists, but Aphrodite's could definitely synergize well. o:
proven parcel
crush is prob best
just because you'll always be right in range.
But, yea, I generally ignore cast on fists.
idle violet
I quite like athena boon on fists deflecting projectiles and stuff. It's like a "nope, dealing with you later" shot
fathom cargo
Divine Dash on the Claws of Enkidu is beautiful for that reason.
fathom cargo
true!
gray shore
Just high rolled Deadly Strike rare, Hunter Dash epic, Support fire epic, Double Edge hammer and Razor Shoals epic with flood shot on nemesis blade. End of act 1
rooms are just getting eviscerated xD
fathom cargo
but I recently got +3 dash Greatest Reflex on my most recent Gilgamesh run, and it was just. absolutely stupid.
proven parcel
😂
dusky nimbus
I like divine dash, but I found ares dash (on spear or fists) can deal crazy damage if u have extra dashes from hermes since your dashing around them
proven parcel
thats like what? 7 dashes?
gray shore
divine dash is just amazing and always useable
yah gilgamesh has 4 base
well
3 base
proven parcel
I like zeus' dash the best after athena's
dusky nimbus
oof i got erydice to upgrade my greatest reflex to heroic last run it was crazy
gray shore
honestly
proven parcel
But really it seems like Athena's is S++Tier and everything else is just below it
proven parcel
her's isn't bad either
gray shore
it's not bad
but often i just pick other boons for aphro
cuz her kit is generically so strong
dusky nimbus
i think demeter and aphrpodite's dash are the only dashes u take if u cant find the others lmao
proven parcel
but athena's is definitely the only dash where you don't have to build to make it slightly better
gray shore
see divine dash take divine dash
proven parcel
it just starts out amazing and ends amazing
gray shore
vs
fathom cargo
Athena's feels perfect for the dash, but Demeter's is pretty fun too.
the little ice cloud........
gray shore
how do I make the most out of my arty/ares/zeus dash
Demeter's is fun but I find it super awkward for ranged weapons
proven parcel
Demeter's is better for close range, imo
fathom cargo
^^^^
proven parcel
like with fists
gray shore
I kinda wish
dusky nimbus
Demeter is abit hard, she needs multiple of her own boons to be useful, but once u get the right set she can be quite devastating
gray shore
Demeter dash had a different effect
for ranged weapons
maybe shooting the chill backwards
proven parcel
demeter builds are fun
But, yea, she really needs a lot of boons to make them work
gray shore
and her boon progression is kinda different from other heroes
dusky nimbus
but rare crop is honestly one of the best boons from her
gray shore
like her ways of unlocking duos is one of the weirdest requirement set
rare crop is utterly insane
dusky nimbus
yeah i agree her duos are very varied
dusky nimbus
HAHA, i;ve never run into that problem
gray shore
...
dusky nimbus
rip
gray shore
:zagcry:
dusky nimbus
whats your highest heat run?
dusky nimbus
mine rn i think is 11 or 12 on Hera Bow
gray shore
but i'm aiming for 32 rn
once i finish the bounties for a weapon
i'll start practicing LC4 stubborn
i've done 16 on bow and shield
chiron because it's braindead and shield
because it's braindead
;)
dusky nimbus
im still trying to get all the bounties one by one for each weapon but im really lacking in varatha and malphon real bad
gray shore
yah
they can be tricky to progress
sword and fists are lowest level for me
spear i realised I was approaching all wrong
when I was trying to use Achilles to carry me
not realising that obviously it's a cast weapon
first and a hitty weapon second
fists can be tricky but, some of the aspects are extremely useable
mostly been playing with zag and talos
I got 75% dodge with zag fists in one run, that was fun
proven parcel
all of fists aspects are fun
I still need to give zeus shield a try tho
but chaos is just too good
dusky nimbus
strangely enough i had a artemis build on the sword, had a hammer that made me do my special twice and my dash strike twice, had artemis boons on all my attack, special, dash and it was my fastest run
gray shore
i mean
zeus shield is about the same strength level as chaos now
imo
so no need to dodge zeus shield because of it
on the other hand, it's actually got a high skill cap and is unwieldy to use until you get used to it
proven parcel
gonna have to max it out and try it
gray shore
the thing that's great
is that it provides a level of area control
that most weapons can't even dream of competing with
plus you can still attack if your special is flying around
dusky nimbus
hangover on exagriph is painful i tell u
proven parcel
seems like it'll be lulzy with doom or lightning strike
gray shore
it doesn't disable you like chaos special
I ran merciful end last time I used zeus shield
spinning shield deflected everything
while I lay into in melee with doom stacaking
dusky nimbus
i still dont really know how to use zues aspect
gray shore
and divine dashing to proc them
dusky nimbus
i prefer chaos still
proven parcel
I was thinking doom on special and deflect on attack
gray shore
yah I mean Chaos is really good and easy to use
I'm just encouraging Zeus cuz I played Chaos so much
till I was bored of it
You wanna put doom on the faster of strike/flourish
and proc is reliably with divine dash
you can really amp up your damage by picking up the doom stacking boon
dusky nimbus
i just did a posidon and zues duo boon run on the shield to try it out, its amazing but the damage is not the highest
vague ermine
i always end up with zeus ;egendary double strike and cold fusion
but i am yet to have a run with the rocket
dusky nimbus
havent tried hangover eris yet
@vague ermine hangover eris is something i highly recommend, take ares on your special and try to get the duo curse of nausea that pretty much doubles the hangover damage
vague ermine
ik 😦
proven parcel
all of gun hammers seem pretty good
dusky nimbus
isit true cluster bomb and triple bomb hammer is unable to show up on aspect of lucifer?
proven parcel
just a matter of what you feel like
vague ermine
ive played like 8 runs on eris
and is till cant manage to get the 2 correct hammers
gray shore
not sure but you can check the wiki
dusky nimbus
im trying to get those hammers on lucifers but they never seem to show up
gray shore
remember that some hammers are locked away by aspects
dusky nimbus
lucifer changes quite a few hammer boons
dusky nimbus
but i wont reccomend the infinite ammo hammer on lucifer, no damage at all
gray shore
Spread fire, flurry fire, Explosive fire, Delta Chamber, Rocket bomb, Hazard bomb
aren't available with Lucifer
etc
vague ermine
esp with getting artemis duo boon
gray shore
dusky nimbus
i see i see
gray shore
I had the same issue with Spear
vague ermine
hazard bomb+cluster bomb B)
gray shore
then I realised a bunch of hammers never work with Achilles
roflmao, dodge your danger close
dusky nimbus
they arent exactly removed, they are changed for lucifer for some
gray shore
yah but, if you play exclusively those aspects, you will be very confused about your prophecy luck
:P
spare scaffold
Really, I love Eternal Chamber on Lucifer the one time I got it
Depending on build it might be pretty troublesome yeah
dusky nimbus
crystal beam build is only viable if u can get the artemis and demeter build and being able to apply chill and then the burst
also are crystal beam builds any good?
@vague ermine
but thats too many specific boons just to make that work in my opinion
proven parcel
It's cool when it works tho
dusky nimbus
sure its cool but it wont be a fast or easy run XD
proven parcel
dusky nimbus
crystal beam is interesting on talos aspect, i use crystal beam to set it up and pull enemies into the beam
its the only time i'll take crystal beam,,, i cant really see it being used on any other aspects
desert ether
what build would you recommend on guan yu spear ?
dusky nimbus
im still struggling with guan yu
its really not easy to use
but i think pierced butterfly keepsake with artemis on special, athena on attack and dash could work
what build would you recommend on guan yu spear ?
@desert ether
very easy for guan yu to get pierced butterfly stacks in early game
abstract badger
Any way of getting titan blood back? I spent all of it for the sword aspect of zagreus
And i only found out later that it was not a good choice
Oh also what keepsakes are good?
dusky nimbus
@abstract badger well either u can soft reset the game if u havent saved, if its already saved then u cant
abstract badger
How does it save?
dusky nimbus
u just gotta clear more runs to get more titans blood
abstract badger
Because that run after did let me get to elysium for the first time
abstract badger
Still struggling against the hydra. Oh I'm screwed then
dusky nimbus
oh? surprisingly i've never been killed by the hydra
hydra is the easiest boss in my opinion
rain egret
Guys, does Ares rift buffs work with his Call?
abstract badger
My 5th run was a flawless meg kill so it's bit different for me
I'm not super amazing at bullet hell phases.
Plus all the lava and stuff
dusky nimbus
yes it does, but the duo boons with artemis and demeter will not, only works for the cast
Guys, does Ares rift buffs work with his Call?
@rain egret
rain egret
Got it! Tyy, mate
abstract badger
What keepsakes should i max? Or is there some really good ones.
dusky nimbus
@abstract badger it really depends on what weapons/ what stages of the game your struggling
abstract badger
I also feel the best using the spear i think. Sword is a hit and miss same with the gaunts. No clue how i killed meg with shield
Gun is weird for me too
And i think struggle begins when i get to the stage 2
Best run so far sword with auto attack enchantment
Got to theseus and bull
dusky nimbus
i would recommend maxing out athena's keepsake or broken spearpoint if your having trouble with the traps
if u can try maxing out all the diff gods keepsake, will be good for specific builds you trying to get
abstract badger
Traps are weird too. Sometimes i don't notice and walk into them sometimes i don't touch them at all
dusky nimbus
oh and skelly's tooth too
abstract badger
Lucky tooth?
dusky nimbus
yeah, if your dying from traps too often u might also wanna try switching death defiance to stubborn defiance in the mirror
abstract badger
I don't die from traps. More from the mobs
Especially if i don't have deflect I'm dead
dusky nimbus
or if its just the hydra that bothering u then try maxing out the acorn form eurydice
abstract badger
Didn't seem to get to euridyce so far
dusky nimbus
the five free hits im sure will protect u from more damage than skelly's tooth
abstract badger
Also it seems achilles has the most boons
dusky nimbus
achilles?
abstract badger
The game is pretty overwhelming but i messed up with titan blood. Not boons
Nectar
I'm dumb apologies
dusky nimbus
dont worry, as u progress you'll defo get more
The game is pretty overwhelming but i messed up with titan blood. Not boons
@abstract badger
abstract badger
What weapon would be the best for a noob?
Sword is really weird for me. Gauntlets too.
dusky nimbus
theres a quest to max out the zagreus sword,if that makes u feel better,,, i think u get titan blood or diamonds from that quest
shield is prob the best for beginners
it literally can block all damage when holding down your attack
as long as your facing the right way ofc
placid marlin
when i was starting out, i really liked the spear. good mix of mobility and reach. bow is now my favorite though
mellow quest
i'd say bow or adamant rail.
mellow quest
very little, all you need to know really is that you can special during the reload still.
dusky nimbus
its more of learning how to position yourself on the gun and bow I feel
cunning urchin
@dusky nimbus Talos's debuff only affects Attack and Cast damage.
dusky nimbus
@cunning urchin ah i see thank you
in that case ares cast on talos wont be bad then
abstract badger
So i have a choice.
Exploding launcher
Flaring spin
Chain skewer
mellow quest
exploding launcher ez
proven osprey
Nuclear launcher
mellow quest
chain skewer disarms you for too long and flaring spin is a total meme
cunning urchin
Flood Shot + something from Lady Artemis for Mirage Shot and Support Fire is the best Talos build I've found so far—ideally with Blizzard Shot.
I think I'd prioritize Mirage Shot over Blizzard Shot, but I still need to try it more to really feel it out.
mellow quest
blizzard is just really awkward in asphodel in my experience
cunning urchin
@mighty ermine used a similar build, so I think he would have some good insights, too.
Talos actually solves all the problems that Blizzard Shot has.
You can just pull enemies into your Blizzard Shot AOE over and over again.
At no risk to you because the Blizzard Shot will knock them back before they can get into melee range.
mellow quest
still can't pull inferno bombers and wavemakers mid jump when they're 90% faster and armored :^(
cunning urchin
They take so much damage every time you pull them back into it.
mellow quest
hmm yes i will jump 4 times in a row to who knows where. enjoy your TD
dusky nimbus
blizzard shot is weird, it does good damage but its not very reliable
cunning urchin
But you still play Malphon. You can just chase them down with Dash-Strikes.
dusky nimbus
it immediately drops when hitting a wall so its esp bad in tight spaces
cunning urchin
You can just recast it. That's not really a problem.
mellow quest
i find it really strong in styx corridors, there's nowhere for the enemies to run off to so they eat the main projectile several times
dusky nimbus
its not the biggest problem but i think theres better cast options thats all
mellow quest
and you can just recast
cunning urchin
It's actually more of a benefit that it will continuously do high damage until it drops and doesn't lodge at all.
dusky nimbus
maybe im not using it right
but then again i got it on malphon i think
so it was weird
cunning urchin
I only really use it on Talos anymore unless I RNG into it.
mellow quest
it's so much different from all the other casts so it's definitely hard to use the first couple of times imo
dusky nimbus
wait no i got it on varatha
by accident
just wanted to try it out since it poped out
cunning urchin
I actually think Talos is my favorite Malphon aspect currently.
mellow quest
i'll have to try blizzard shot on talos though. the only weapon i've really liked it is Poseidon sword, it just feels right to go flood shot most of the run and switch to blizzard at the end. pick up mirage shot along the way
cunning urchin
Just because it actually allows for the most player expression of all the Malphon aspects.
dusky nimbus
poseidon sword works the best with either artemis or posidon cast, aphro is abit hard to land
mellow quest
the fastest is electric shot
cunning urchin
I think Gilgamesh probably comes in second in allowing for player expression.
dusky nimbus
electric shot only works if theres multiple enemies
cunning urchin
Zagreus Aspect and Demeter Aspect are just so straightforward.
And the build variety kind of got hit by the fact that ME requirements got made tighter and stuff.
mellow quest
it clears rooms extremely fast and you pick up snow burst
proven osprey
I actually think Talos is my favorite Malphon aspect currently.
@cunning urchin What do you go for aside from the flood shenanigans ? Like for the attack
mellow quest
even against bosses 50% boosted electric shot hits really hard.
cunning urchin
Because now everyone just runs Divine Dash + Divine Flourish + Curse of Agony.
mellow quest
that's more an issue with merciful end than anything, it was always sorta awkward to use effectively. fists give you the ideal template to abuse it
cunning urchin
Yes.
vague ermine
does 100% dodge chance actually dodge everything or na?
cunning urchin
But by making it harder to get, you actually need to build for it specifically instead of going for other things that come your way.
You're not taking any Flourish that isn't Divine Flourish no more.
I mean you can, but.
It's suboptimal, and you know it.
mellow quest
it's just really annoying that a lot of the athena duos have really tight requirements now just because a couple weapons abused them much better than anything else
proven osprey
vague ermine
yeah, merciful end is literally the only duo i need to complete the quest
ive had 0 luck getting it
proven osprey
that's true
mellow quest
deadly reversal is really hard to get as well
dusky nimbus
does anyone know if ice wine duo works on hera aspect?
mellow quest
i've been playing around more with arthur aspect w/ divine strike and dash, deadly flourish or true shot to qualify for deadly reversal
dusky nimbus
i;ve been trying to get ice wine on hera... but doesnt show up too
mellow quest
it's just sooo slow. you don't have the crits from the get go like deadly strike or the raw damage that heartbreak strike gives you
vague ermine
ice wine is super fun
mellow quest
but it's a lot safer
vague ermine
they dont attack at all lmao
mellow quest
generally speaking if it says it increases the base damage of part of the moveset it's a pretty good hammer.
proven osprey
I'm kinda worried. There as two players to whom I told about the magnificent Tempest strike Guan Yu build. I've haven't heard of them in a while...