h1-builds-and-combat

[jovial harness]

and build up money along the way to buy my way to a better situation

[kind egret]

The second path that you choose has the cerberus sack at the end

I mean

[tawny mica]

oh

[barren otter]

the sack can be anywhere between the 2nd and 5th path, it can never be on the first path.

it's random.

[dry quiver]

First path will never have sack. So earliest you can get is second path chosen. 2 sack.

[jovial harness]

i guess if ive played well but dont have a super OP build is when i would just move on

but uh

that doesnt generally happen

[kind egret]

When the timer is on it can become very valuable to not have to spend several minutes running the other paths lol

[jovial harness]

oh

im still on 0 heat lol

[kind egret]

so you'll have to face the boss even if you're not very confident in your build

yep! so 2sack is probably not very important for you

[willow fossil]

Thats why I hate tight deadline lol

I like to take my time

[jovial harness]

does the magnet fist aspect do anything against bosses

[hearty elbow]

applies the debuff

[mossy light]

and it probably gives them cancer

[kind egret]

no that's the 5g fists

we still don't know how the magnet fists work

[hearty elbow]

? It's pretty straightforward, what's the confusion

[kind egret]

sorry bad joke

[mossy light]

magic. just like the tides. tides go in. tides go out

[kind egret]

damn, like a miracle

[mossy light]

one day, i too hope to understand the magic of how the tides and magnets work

[weary ridge]

to be fair I don't think Poseidon has any idea how tides work either

[hearty elbow]

Or much of anything

[mossy light]

typical god chauvunism. poseidon taking credit for selenes work

[hearty elbow]

For Selemene

[kind egret]

I would water the trees with their entrails if Selene would smile upon me

[mossy light]

i simp for aphrodite

[spare scaffold]

I bet Zag simps for Aphro too have you seen his poster of her

Absolutely salacious

[mossy light]

shes totally married but everyone is trying to give her offerings

[spare scaffold]

I mean can you blame them

[stable egret]

For hestia do u go for art on attak probably?

[turbid needle]

Or Aphrodite.

[stable egret]

Ill try aphrodite then

Easier to get ps

Question

How does spread fire work with hestia

Does it add the base damage?

[spare scaffold]

No

Spread Fire shots completely separate

Oh wait if it adds the increased base damage on top.. idk

[stable egret]

So dont ever take it with hestia?

Erg

[spare scaffold]

If I need the rest of the magazine in a pinch I still wouldn't take Spread Fire I guess

[stable egret]

Options are spread fure flurry fire and piercing fire

Flurry for faster and more ammo?

Amo is uselss nvm

Piercing 8g

Spread doesnt work with hestia sadly

Gonna restart lol

[mossy light]

ahh, the ice wine, triple bomb build. you know what makes me a good demozag!?

[stable egret]

Putting on the 2 sheilds on the enemys with hestia is not the best idea

Im so slow only made it out of tart with 17 seconds xD

[mossy light]

i turned off all of the timer pacts so i can dodge and chill

[stable egret]

32 heat there wasnt much i wanted to turn on xD

Hate bonus hp and overtime 40%

[mossy light]

working my way up to the higher heats in hell mode, im only at 10

woo, poseidon aspect+cast and demeter. we got a blizzard shot run!

[still vigil]

so

im not sure if this is factual, but it feels like i cant get many aphro boons in a single run

unlike most other gods(except hermes)

has anyone else experienced this?

[mossy light]

its you im afraid. its just RNG

[stable egret]

^

[mossy light]

my first save had a ton of aphro runs and few artemis, my current save has much lower aphro

[stable egret]

I started a game with art keepsake and saw 2 of her boons the whole game meanwhile i found a solid 6 aphrodite boons not having her keepsake the entire run

Keepinmind i was rerolling for art

RNG always plays into games

[still vigil]

hmm icic

qwq

okay

[stable egret]

If the games pulling u unto anothet direction and u can make it work

Go for it

[still vigil]

i was just wonderin why id never see past 4-5 in a run if i ever get her

but rng makes sense

[stable egret]

From what i hear u can only see 4 gods+ hermes

Exception being i think shops

[mossy light]

pop open the codex and check the duo boons you have available, and if they make sense for your weapon, give it a shot

[stable egret]

^

[mossy light]

alternatively, when you get your first boon, pop open the codex and pick the boon that has the highest probability of leading to a duo

[stable egret]

This is usually when u might decide to go a cast build

Anyways glhf

[still vigil]

nonono i mean like i get aphrodite, ill tend to only get 4 at most from her specifically, maaybe 5 on a good day from aphro

but ill try🤢 casts

[spare scaffold]

full single god builds aren't very good outside of Zeus imo

[mossy light]

cast builds are amazing, but it took me awhile before i started to enjoy them

poseidon?

ares?

[still vigil]

athena solo is godly

[mossy light]

dio?

all the gods with a fun spell should be good for a single god run i think?

[spare scaffold]

oh if cast only then hmmm perhaps

[mossy light]

i assume the gods legendary boon should be the main theme in a single god run. not that ive tried one

[still vigil]

aphro is good single because of the tanking, flinchin, and direct damage increase ya can get

[spare scaffold]

I actually haven't actually did single god, I assume it's going to cost godly (hah) amounts of fated authorities

more like god focus rather than strictly single god

[still vigil]

ya

but each one can work very well if ya can focus on them

just fer different things

[spare scaffold]

I see

I stand corrected then

[still vigil]

like ya said

zeus focus is amazing fer crowd control

[spare scaffold]

Zeus focus is amazing even single target

the sheer volume of thunderbolts hitting after Splitting Bolt can be insane

[stark ore]

If you get Hunting Blades then Ares focus is busted especially with Achilles, Zeus and Aphro are also good picks too

[spare scaffold]

It only took me one run of Splitting Bolt to convert me to temple of Zeus

Yeah Hunting Blades is amazing + Ares legendary

[stark ore]

Tbh I never saw a use for Splitting Bolt but maybe I'm just doing it wrong

[mossy light]

which companion do yall prefer?

i assume shady or mort?

[spare scaffold]

Been trying out Antos but I keep forgetting to use him on dad

[stark ore]

Meg, good damage and can take care of large groups easily

[spare scaffold]

So I can't say about damage vs single target

[mossy light]

you use it for bosses or mean clusters?

[spare scaffold]

bosses, always

[bleak jay]

Artemis has a good one for constant damage

Seeking arrow?

[still vigil]

Athena is amazing not only for her allround defensive utility, but ability to skyrocket backstab damage

[spare scaffold]

unless I encounter Witches' Circle and I don't have any weapon or boon to negate or counter their bullet storm

[stark ore]

Athena and Acorn pretty much guarantees a no-hit, or at least very few

[still vigil]

^

[spare scaffold]

I find that Guan Yu, Arthur does very well against them

or just overwhelm them with sheer firepower, if no Athena luck

[mossy light]

yay, i have enough heat for FO2 runs. time to make myself miserable

[bleak jay]

Arthur is so much fun

[spare scaffold]

ah yes time to commit die

[still vigil]

poseidon focus also makes great use of in-game mechanics and can decimate just as fast if not faster than zeus

[spare scaffold]

Arthur + Greater Constellation (or whatever the hammer is called) is

[stable egret]

Arthur with the bonus backstap damage hammer is kinda nutty

[spare scaffold]

Yeah that too

[mossy light]

poseidon is amazing for room clearing

[spare scaffold]

Arthur + Shadow Strike

[stark ore]

Best part of Arthur is being able to continue combos between dashes, feels really solid

[stable egret]

The fact his dash can combo makes backstabbing his 3rd hit super easy

[spare scaffold]

I picked that hammer because the rest were meh and expected nothing but turns out it's ridiculously strong

[still vigil]

the fact you can bounce enemies off walls multiple time and damage multiple enemies with those richochets usin poseidon?

beautiful

[spare scaffold]

it's almost like it's multiplying on top of Arthur's ridiculous base damage, who would have thought

[mossy light]

ive lost like 3 arthur runs because i keep getting interrupted during that sloooow slam

[spare scaffold]

I've gotten used to it

low heat though

[stable egret]

Takes practice

[stark ore]

Slam is only for trash mobs and the aura, otherwise the wide attack range is usually enough

[stable egret]

Its kinda hard with overtime but u can get used to it

[still vigil]

oooo

[bleak jay]

I had Arthur with his extended range+slow tonight

[stable egret]

Keep in mind u can dash your special

[bleak jay]

I really appreciate that super specific Daedalus upgrade

[stable egret]

So ur not surrounded while using it

[still vigil]

maybe pose/athena duo boon would go great with arthur

actually it would

[spare scaffold]

that boon just go well with anything

[stark ore]

It does

[spare scaffold]

• Sure Footing and laugh at dad's spicy pots

[bleak jay]

Is that the one that heals you on last stand?

[spare scaffold]

Sure Footing reduces damage from traps

[still vigil]

ive started dashing perpendicular to his sweeps

[bleak jay]

No the Poseidon/Athena duo

[spare scaffold]

Huh Unshakeable Mettle immune to stuns

[stark ore]

The Athena/Poseidon duo makes you immune to stun and resist 10% damage from bosses

[bleak jay]

Ahh okay

[mossy light]

yeah, i was tryin to slam with FO1, now that im swapping to FO2 it probably outta reach

[stable egret]

@spare scaffold won't be laughing when u have heightened security

[still vigil]

that screams "use me with facetank"

[bleak jay]

The one I'm thinking of is Demeter+Athena right?

[spare scaffold]

yeah I was thinking on how much a Rare+ Sure Footing can do with HS on

[stable egret]

Those things one shot u without sure footing

[spare scaffold]

I know Epic tier gives like 80, 90% reduction

Can be pommed I think

[still vigil]

the demeter athena isnt bad but im not sure id take it

[spare scaffold]

It's a last resort boon

[still vigil]

the hp regen in hades is eh

[stable egret]

Dont think sure footing can be pommed

[still vigil]

id rather just get more hp and dmg red

[spare scaffold]

Very handy if you don't see Patty and you are down to very few DDs or none I guess

[bleak jay]

I had a run today where it was a good option bc I had stubborn defiance for propechies so I was already trying to just survive as long as possible lol

[stable egret]

When u have a time limit anything that takes time to be useful is bad

[bleak jay]

It saved me

[spare scaffold]

no EM4 dad anyway

oh that's true

[stable egret]

Depends ig

[hearty elbow]

Sure Footing is a lot better than it looks. It works multiplicatively with trap damage, so the Urns go from 150 -> 15 with Epic (90%)

[still vigil]

@stable egret or yer dealin with FO

[stable egret]

Ive been doing alot of high heat lately

Oooo

Nice info

[spare scaffold]

I used to scoff at Sure Footing

Now I know the terrifying nature of HS

[stable egret]

Ive started going for sure footing alot

[spare scaffold]

Athena had the last laugh

[stable egret]

Ever since I've seen the pots kill me

Ive been scared of hs

[still vigil]

stubborn roots doesnt seem to fare well fer me in the 30-40 heat range

[hearty elbow]

Stubborn Roots is not very compatible with Tight Deadline

[bleak jay]

Pots almost got me tonight

[still vigil]

oop ledger bout to set the record straight

[stable egret]

When u have a time limit anything that takes time to be useful is bad
AuX#2509

[spare scaffold]

Do you guys ever take the alt talents for +rare boon/+epic boon chance

Forgot the name

[bleak jay]

I definitely didn't have tight deadline lol

[spare scaffold]

I sometime take the +duo/legendary chance and the +rare chance

[bleak jay]

I've only had one run that could've passed that so far

[stable egret]

Athenas leg is trash

Ngl

[still vigil]

hol up

[spare scaffold]

+gold laurel chambers seem kinda meh

[hearty elbow]

Do you guys ever take the alt talents for +rare boon/+epic boon chance
@spare scaffold Dark Foresight is pretty much universally taken, and you can pick between God's Legacy (duo/legendary) and God's Pride (epic) depending on if you want a duo/legendary or not. Though Pride on average is probably stronger since it affects Hermes boons

[spare scaffold]

huh

[still vigil]

@stable egret athena leg is good, but the requirements are a bit out there

[hearty elbow]

It gives you more boons, more hearts, more gold, more poms, and makes the crappy gemstone and darkness rooms come up less. You do get less keys and nectar though, but the benefits heavily outweigh that

[spare scaffold]

I mean when do I not want duos/legendaries anyway

[still vigil]

yer given a 20s acorn hit on top of an already defensive god

[stable egret]

Idk ive used it a few times i feel like selling it is moee useful

[spare scaffold]

Oh I guess Dark Foresight works better when you don't have to care about metaprogression

[stable egret]

I always take the boon room chance increasing one is that bad

[hearty elbow]

I mean when do I not want duos/legendaries anyway
@spare scaffold Epic boons are really sweet on a lot of builds. Swift Strike/Flourish, Greatest Reflexes, Greater Evasion on Hermes all scale insanely well with rarity

[stable egret]

[still vigil]

fer me athena leg is fer the stray hits that get past deflects

[spare scaffold]

I see

also Persuasion/Authority

[still vigil]

also hermes dodge boons work nicely with athena imo

[hearty elbow]

Persuasion

[spare scaffold]

I much prefer Authority thus far when forcing duos/legendaries or at least their pre-reqs than Persuasion

I only use them on Styx subchambers either way

[stable egret]

^

[stark ore]

but muh divine dash

[hearty elbow]

Using God Keepsake + Persuasion is a lot more reliable for forcing duos

[spare scaffold]

rarely the other 3 regions when I need to

God keepsake for Styx?

[hearty elbow]

Why are you forcing a duo in Styx lol

[spare scaffold]

true

bad lucc

[mossy light]

[spare scaffold]

sometimes I don't get duos way until Styx

legendaries for that matter

[stark ore]

By Styx you're just getting in some extra boons just in case really

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, but it's fine at that point, just deal with what you've got.

[spare scaffold]

actually more like most of the time

I see

[stable egret]

several ppl typing

[mossy light]

legendaries fine, but duos? you should get them in asphodel or elysium

[spare scaffold]

I thought duos in Styx is a common occurance

[stable egret]

My favorite is icewine

I can usually get it in tart

[hearty elbow]

They are but rarely intentionally

[mossy light]

not uncommon, but you want duos early to maximize impact

[spare scaffold]

that's true

[stark ore]

I keep getting Fully Loaded in Styx during non-cast runs though, none of the purging pools even let me sell it

[hearty elbow]

I keep getting Fully Loaded in Styx during non-cast runs though, none of the purging pools even let me sell it
@stark ore I call BS. Literally no one has ever gotten Fully Loaded ever.

[spare scaffold]

most of my runs I don't spend obols on health anymore (no CF/LC yet) so it's not like it hurted me that much

[mossy light]

have you considered using more casts?

[stark ore]

Dude it's crazy

You run Achilles Hunting Blades and Artemis gives you a common Hide Breaker

[still vigil]

fully loaded? is that a baked potato option?

[stark ore]

As soon as you run a Fists or Chiron build with no cast boon Artemis just starts bleeding Fully Loaded

[spare scaffold]

It's the desire sensor at work

[stark ore]

For some reason I got Parting Shot 3 times during a run like that too

Game has its priorities straight

[stable egret]

Fully loaded doesnt exist what are u guys on about

[mossy light]

just get good at the game and youll get the duos you want in tartarus.

[stable egret]

Its a bug

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, I can believe Parting Shot.

[spare scaffold]

I get Parting Shot too often when I don't even run cast builds

[hearty elbow]

It's a side effect of Athena and Aphro being so good lol

[mossy light]

what cast build has you go into athena and artemis?

[hearty elbow]

It's pretty similar to pre-1.0, if you ever tried to do Zeus + Artemis for Support Fire builds, you would be haunted forevermore with Lighting Rod. That still happens but now Lightning Rod is good.

[stark ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[still vigil]

The crush shot can chunk

[spare scaffold]

Lighting Rod wasn't good before?

[still vigil]

maybe

[spare scaffold]

I love it on Hera/Beowulf

[stable egret]

Beowulf is bad change my mind

[spare scaffold]

happens that they come up super early for me usually

[hearty elbow]

what cast build has you go into athena and artemis?
@mossy light Every build has you go into Athena. And Artemis + Poseidon is Mirage Cast... so every one?

[stable egret]

[stark ore]

Actually Fully Loaded and Lightning Rod sounds boosted with Poseidon aspect

[mossy light]

crush shot can chunk in melee range sure. it works well on the herabow tho

[spare scaffold]

Fully Loaded/Lightning Rod was my Beowulf build

[stable egret]

False for me^

[still vigil]

sounds like the perfect fist cast fer me then

[stable egret]

Im on switch crush shot doesnt work on hera bow

:"(

[hearty elbow]

I don't know how much they've tweaked it, but the typical approach is to aim in front of the enemy's face

Instead of trying to hit them with the arrow

[still vigil]

also observation, fer ares cast is shorter on beowulf fer some reason

[mossy light]

forcing athena is so boring tho, just dont get hit

[hearty elbow]

It doesn't matter too much, the arrow damage is such a small percentage of your damage while you have casts

[spare scaffold]

Duration or radius

also observation, fer ares cast is shorter on beowulf fer some reason
@still vigil

[still vigil]

duration

[spare scaffold]

same

It's also a bit too far forward for my liking

still slaps though + I guess it's balanced for lvl 5 which probably has insane radius

mine is like lvl 2, 3 atm

[still vigil]

it's larger but you cant do quite enough damage nor get certain boons

[mossy light]

the game is refusing to give me beowulf and lucifer. not that it really bothers me

[spare scaffold]

wait can't you get say Hunting Blades on it?

[hearty elbow]

No

[spare scaffold]

rip my Ares Hunting Blades dreams for Beowulf

[still vigil]

howre you gonna home on a cast that stays on you XD

[hearty elbow]

Just do it on Achilles

[spare scaffold]

well it goes too fast

[hearty elbow]

You get like a free 2.5x damage multiplier

[stable egret]

The cast changed on beowulf

[spare scaffold]

or I can just load all of my bloodstones into the charge I guess

[stable egret]

Changes*

[mossy light]

how long does that achilles dash buff last, a comfortable amount?

[stable egret]

For ares

[hearty elbow]

Indefinitely I think? Too long actually

[mossy light]

or does it wear off in like 3 seconds or something

[still vigil]

Anytime i use achilles fer a cast build i end up playin melee cause the boons get so jank qwq

[mossy light]

whoa, i gotta try that now

[spare scaffold]

hard same

[hearty elbow]

Since there's a dumb mechanic that if you use the empowered dash while you have existing charges, you don't refill

Just nothing happens

You have to expend all charges to refill

[spare scaffold]

I heard people using Achilles as a wizard staff but it hasn't worked for me

[stable egret]

Its 4 hits idk that it has a timer tho

[solid hazel]

yeah no timer, it lasts until you use the 4 charges

[spare scaffold]

I had more success with alt cast weapons like again Hera/Beowulf

[hearty elbow]

Achilles lends itself well to casts that don't lodge

[solid hazel]

laserz!

[still vigil]

crystal beam nightmares

i hate that cast

[spare scaffold]

I had a run where I test ran Lucifer and got the Demeter/Aphro duo

..what the heck is that thing even

[mossy light]

crystal beam sucks if you have a timelimit. if youre a dirty coward like me it works nicely

[still vigil]

@spare scaffold maybe if yer melee?

[spare scaffold]

I guess it works better for melee builds

Definitely not the rail

[hearty elbow]

..what the heck is that thing even
@spare scaffold It's bugged. The text implies that it enables useful game actions. And yet...

[solid hazel]

I dunno I think crystal beam is quite strong actually, even without crystal clarity, I prefer it to slicing shot

[mossy light]

thosere fighting words

[still vigil]

what

[spare scaffold]

I had a game with Crystal Beam + Mirage Shot + Crystal Clarity

[still vigil]

wow

[spare scaffold]

don't think I had Killing Freeze but if I did..

[still vigil]

that sounds like the life

[spare scaffold]

Wasn't an Achilles run

Gave dad the chills that day

chills all the way down to the bonemarrow

[still vigil]

do gods have bones?

[solid hazel]

you mean glaical glare?

[spare scaffold]

I was thinking of the boon that gives damage on Chill stacks

[solid hazel]

glacial glare is the one that makes it last longer and do chill

killing freeze is something else...I can't remember

[spare scaffold]

Oh wait would have needed Glacial Glare as well

[solid hazel]

might be the one that makes them take dot damage

[spare scaffold]

Didn't have that either

[hearty elbow]

I dunno I think crystal beam is quite strong actually, even without crystal clarity, I prefer it to slicing shot
@solid hazel Lol, un-duo'd Crystal Beam vs. Slicing Shot...

https://imgur.com/wHo3Etz

[solid hazel]

which ones which?

[still vigil]

i think aspect of zeus is the superior aspect

[hearty elbow]

Yes.

[spare scaffold]

Zeus slaps

[solid hazel]

lol fair enough

[spare scaffold]

I didn't know of it until I invest more blood into it + Zeus spec

Zeus boons on Zeus shield goes hand in hand, who woulda thonk

[solid hazel]

I like aspect of Zeus...it's a different play style at least

I'd guess it has the most in terms of skill ceiling on tech you can do with the moveset

[hearty elbow]

I'm not big brain enough to play Zeus

[still vigil]

i like demeter, poseidon, zeus, and aphro on zeus aspect

[spare scaffold]

probably, considering the slow return means you need strong grasp of positioning to make best use of it

[hearty elbow]

I always feel like I'm just... playing it so wrong, no matter what I'm doing.

[solid hazel]

lol I'm not saying I am either, but it's at least kinda fun to play around with

[spare scaffold]

I usually try to keep the blitz disc close so I can control it better

[mossy light]

glacial glare is critical for that crystal build

[solid hazel]

unlike say eris, which is unquestionably strong, but pretty obvious how to play optimally

[still vigil]

if I have explosive return it's gg

[spare scaffold]

instead of throwing it far away

[mossy light]

if you play zeus long enough you can sorta judge where it sits still to maximize pain

[hearty elbow]

glacial glare is critical for that crystal build
@mossy light Yeah, Achilles + Crystal Clarity + Glacial Glare + Stygian Soul is Exodia

[solid hazel]

and mirage shot if you can somehow swing it

[still vigil]

zeus also makes fer a very nice way to deal with enemies if yer on the run

[spare scaffold]

Zeus shield is best weapon against flame wheels

[still vigil]

in tandem with support fire😩

[solid hazel]

zeus aspect vs flame chariots is quite funny

[spare scaffold]

oh how does it interact with support fire

[solid hazel]

Zeus Special on Zeus is like easy way to play it, but I also tried a ME with Zeus...

[spare scaffold]

each tick of damage = one arrow?

[solid hazel]

yeah each tick is one arrow, support fire is pretty good with it

[hearty elbow]

Support Fire has an ICD, the same as Thunder Flourish

[spare scaffold]

still good

.2s iirc?

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

[solid hazel]

so perfect for Zeus

[still vigil]

it's def one of the harder aspects to use tho

[spare scaffold]

oh man thanks for the suggestion I have to try that

Athena spec then?

or interchangeable

[still vigil]

I love usin it on theseus during his call phase to shred him down @spare scaffold

[solid hazel]

probably Ares special, Athena dash and attack are best for ME

but Athena special is pretty decent on Zeus too

[hearty elbow]

it's def one of the harder aspects to use tho
@still vigil Probably tied with Zag Sword. Not because the sword is hard, but just because it's that bad.

[solid hazel]

the deflect can basically make you invincible if you stand in it

[still vigil]

^

[spare scaffold]

Sword with +15% movespeed isn't half bad it's just that it absolutely pales in comparison with every other sword aspect.. I suppose

[solid hazel]

if you throw it on Hades, it can like cancel out his sweeps and stuff

it's pretty funny...not easy to set up, but funny

[mossy light]

zeus shield isnt too hard. trying to use achilles as a noncaster is superhard tho

[spare scaffold]

What if Zag sword gets its bonuses multiplied by 1.5 or even 2

would it be better

[solid hazel]

I dunno if I'm just doing it wrong, but every time I play nemesis I'm like always almost dead

I spam dash attacks only , but it still feels super unsafe

[hearty elbow]

zeus shield isnt too hard. trying to use achilles as a noncaster is superhard tho
@mossy light Eh, Deadly Strike works out pretty well, especially with Flurry. You end up doing this anyway to expend extra charges or do stuff while your casts are going

[spare scaffold]

basically having an inbuilt Epic Hermes boon

[still vigil]

now that i think about it, Lucifer special isnt too terrible if ya put triple bomb and special speed on it

[spare scaffold]

Triple Bomb and Thunder Dash

[still vigil]

it's boom boom time

[spare scaffold]

• High Voltage too

[hearty elbow]

Triple Bomb and Hazard Bomb

[solid hazel]

lucifer confuses me...I never know how to build it

stupid sexy lucifer

[still vigil]

if that was a thing @hearty elbow qwq

[hearty elbow]

Is it not? Wow SGG, fun police.

[still vigil]

theyd never

[spare scaffold]

honestly I can see that being too strong

[hearty elbow]

theyd never
@still vigil Chain Skewer used to be available on Achilles lol. You'd be surprised.

[spare scaffold]

you can already detonate hellfires at will versus normal special

[solid hazel]

rocket bomb, hazard bomb?

[still vigil]

that combo alone would be enough to honestly carry to high heat

[half crater]

why rocket/hazard when you can rocket/cluster

oh wait, lucifer?

[hearty elbow]

why rocket/hazard when you can rocket/cluster
@half crater How are you going to kill yourself efficiently with Rocket + Cluster.

[mossy light]

rocket cluster was my first win

[half crater]

that is my main goal with lucy ngl

[hearty elbow]

You have to play to its strengths

[half crater]

you’re right

[solid hazel]

The other day I almost convinced somebody to take Hazard bomb on eris

i believe my argument was, stop being a little wuss, it's only 3 damage

[spare scaffold]

that low?

[still vigil]

youd could honestly play either atk or special and be fine on lucifer

[spare scaffold]

I thought it would be more damage

[hearty elbow]

I think it's 1%

[spare scaffold]

like idk 20, 30 something

[solid hazel]

and from what I could tell they were pretty unironically responding "Good point!"

[spare scaffold]

ah

[still vigil]

hazard bomb can crit on ya if ya take the wrong boons

XD

[haughty robin]

Question for early access folks: did merciful end used to drop if you just had athena dash? Like now you need the attack or special.

[hearty elbow]

Yep

Same with Deadly Reversal

[spare scaffold]

It still procs with Athena dash

now

unless I'm mistaken

[hearty elbow]

It does

[haughty robin]

Yeah ik, it's just harder to get

[hearty elbow]

It's mechanically identical

[still vigil]

is it?

[solid hazel]

it procs with Athena dash, but I think he meant prereqs

[spare scaffold]

oh prereqs yeah makes sense

[haughty robin]

By drop, I mean show up during boon selection.

[half crater]

it’s technically not mechanically identical

they nerfed the combo damage from 50 to 40

such nerf

many worse

[hearty elbow]

Lmao didn't even notice that

Reminds me of the Talos buffs

[haughty robin]

Is the latest patch not the only talos buff? Switch player here.

[half crater]

honestly it just drew attention to the fact that there is combo damage, which was completely unnecessary in the first place lol

[hearty elbow]

They buffed 40->50, and duration from 4->some other number

[solid hazel]

lol what ME isn't strong enough?

I think it should just win the run automatically as soon it procs

automatically go to a dead hades

[haughty robin]

Lmao I did ME on Lucifer and it was pretty fun.

[half crater]

hmm makes sense

[solid hazel]

you have to get the special to pulse on an enemy for it to work?

[half crater]

that way at least we’d have a competitor for huge catch, clearly the best boon

[solid hazel]

seems hard to set up

[haughty robin]

Yeah it wasn't the best.

But fun, it was.

[hearty elbow]

you have to get the special to pulse on an enemy for it to work?
@solid hazel I believe you put Doom on attack and dash into enemies

[solid hazel]

yeah that seems better

[hearty elbow]

"better"

[solid hazel]

low bar...

[hearty elbow]

right lol

[haughty robin]

I mean, if I wanted to win every run I would only play chiron bow zzzz

[half crater]

honestly i’d kinda prefer to do a special only build with lucy

[spare scaffold]

did anyone got curse of drowning to not suck

[half crater]

it’d be completely impractical, but that attack just feels bad lol

[solid hazel]

how are things going between you and chiron bow anyway @hearty elbow?

[spare scaffold]

lowkey wish it applied doom to enemies hit by the pulse

[full meteor]

the ares poseidon dou ?

[spare scaffold]

ja

[full meteor]

is bad

[hearty elbow]

EM4 is a trifling ho

[full meteor]

im think curse of the drowning is good on aquiles spear ?

[solid hazel]

did anyone got curse of drowning to not suck
@spare scaffold Curse of drowning is pretty good on like all fist weapons

[haughty robin]

I once tried talos curse of drowning. It felt good on paper but I took too much damage.

[spare scaffold]

oh, that's interesting

[hearty elbow]

I put the 49 project on a backburner until I level up my EM4 game. There are certain summon configurations that Hangover Chiron just can't interact with. Sneaks and Doomstones mostly.

[half crater]

any cast is good on achilles spear lol

if bouldy gave you a cast that did 2 damage, it’d be good on achilles spear probably

[full meteor]

lol

[half crater]

oh wait

[haughty robin]

150% is too crazy.

[stark ore]

Hunting Blades is king, but honestly as long as you got Auto Reload then any cast works

[hearty elbow]

Deadly Flourish Chiron can't deal with JS3 though, so that's kind of a pain.

[half crater]

there is a cast that does 2 damage

slicing shot

[stark ore]

Default cast is busted in Tartarus tbh

[half crater]

and what do you know; it’s great on achilles

[solid hazel]

hmm so what weapon are you trying to run for the 49 then @hearty elbow

[stark ore]

Slicing Shot is okay until you get hunting blades, then it becomes

[solid hazel]

not that I ever plan to do that, just curious haha

[haughty robin]

I would love to play more hunting blades but slicing shot just hurts too much

[stark ore]

Freezing Vortex & Engulfing Vortex work too

[hearty elbow]

I already hit 50 Rama seeded, I'd like to do it unseeded, but getting my favorite weapons to 45 for now. Working on Hestia atm

[haughty robin]

Historically Ares cucks me the hardest with duos.

So I'm biased.

[still vigil]

some of yall bout to mad at me but it must be said
👁️ 👄 👁️
ares aint good and gy holds the crown fer best spear

[solid hazel]

Ares duo are weird anyway...usually only one or two is good for your build

[hearty elbow]

I'm doing it the "hard" way lol. I want to do 45 with EM4 HL5 FO2

It is... not going particularly well

[stark ore]

Honestly my first 32 heat win was with Achilles and I didn’t even use casts that much, if you have Deadly/Divine/Heartbreak Strike the attack bonus is enough

[spare scaffold]

I won't even argue with that because I love Guan Yu

[half crater]

GY being best spear isn’t actually that unpopular of an opinion

[full meteor]

the ares zeus dou for afk build with shield

[solid hazel]

lol so hades chunks you for like 200 on a spear throw?

[half crater]

i don’t agree personally, but it’s not uncommon

[still vigil]

also gilgamesh is better than demeter

[stark ore]

GY and Deadly/Divine Strike sounds kinda insane tbh

[still vigil]

periodt

[half crater]

okay i gotta fight you on gil being better than dem

[hearty elbow]

That's like a radioactive surface of the sun 64 Heat take

[stark ore]

also gilgamesh is better than demeter
Now you’re just lying

[haughty robin]

GY is 3x as fun with charged skewer, otherwise it's boring for me.

Guess I'm just a bow person.

[stark ore]

Deadly Flourish with Demeter is one of the most satisfying and potent combos in this game

[solid hazel]

yeah I don't see how GY is good unless you get charged skewer

and you can't reroll hammers

[hearty elbow]

yeah I don't see how GY is good unless you get charged skewer
@solid hazel (it's not)

[still vigil]

i aint make the rules nor tier lists, im just here to tell the gospel truth

[stark ore]

I wanna love Guan Yu but that’d require me to Git Gud

[haughty robin]

Demeter deadly flourish hadoukens is fun

[half crater]

I wanna love Guan Yu but that’d require me to Git Gud
@stark ore same tbh

[still vigil]

using demeter feels like playin pattycake with the air imo

[half crater]

also true for gil and lucy, but i just want them to git gud

[solid hazel]

@stark ore how can you like GY with a name like that?

[stark ore]

You could take a monkey and make them play GY and they’d seem like some sort of god to me

[still vigil]

wait

[cunning urchin]

#1 hammer for Guan Yu is Serrated Point, not Charged Skewer.

[stark ore]

but muh dash range

[haughty robin]

My most successful gilgamesh was a tidal dash meme run lol

[solid hazel]

yeah...I'm too scared to take serrated point haha

[still vigil]

it's possible

and hurts a lot

[half crater]

you should defs take serrated point

[stark ore]

Serrated Point is solid, if you have Divine Dash there’s really nothing to be too worried about

[full meteor]

serrated point is the best spear hammer

[half crater]

look, they’re like, fun deaths okay lol

[full meteor]

maybe not on hades

[half crater]

why not on hades?

[solid hazel]

i die hard the times i take it, buts it’s always great lol
@half crater that was not convincing

[stark ore]

I feel like what gets people hit the most isn’t actually trying to dodge attacks but more just thinking they can squeeze one more hit in and failing

Serrated Point isn’t all that bad if you’re used to it

[full meteor]

you need the quick spin on hades

[stark ore]

Also good with Dio or Demeter

[haughty robin]

Oh yeah, I'm bored of taking tidal dash and athena dash all the time, what's another fun dash I can take

[half crater]

look they’re like, fun deaths okay lol

[stark ore]

Hunter and Drunken Dash are good starts

[solid hazel]

there are none, they are all boring

[cunning urchin]

Why take Divine Dash when you can take Hunter Dash for more damage on Guan Yu?

[full meteor]

artemis dash

[still vigil]

athena dash, quick recovery, and aphro on gilga is good times

[cunning urchin]

Just don't get hit.

[half crater]

i do a lot of damage to the enemy, the enemy does a lot of damage to me... damage all around

[haughty robin]

Yeah I tried hunter with Nemesis, felt good but I had to work harder.

[half crater]

more damage = more fun

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis is low tier.

[still vigil]

is hunter dash additive or multiplicative?

[hearty elbow]

Additive

[still vigil]

ew

[stark ore]

If I’m running Arthur I usually go Hunter Dash actually, not like that 2x damage I’m taking with Boiling Blood is gonna matter when I got all the health and tank boons in the world lol

[solid hazel]

oh thank god I'm not the only person that thinks so

Nemesis is low tier.
@cunning urchin

[haughty robin]

Low tier in terms of what?

[hearty elbow]

It's a pretty contextual statement lol

[cunning urchin]

Low tier at high heat for sure.

[half crater]

low tier in terms of low heat, i think, in this case

yeah

[hearty elbow]

At high heat it's pretty bad

[solid hazel]

lol so all heat

[haughty robin]

Ah yeah, anything unsafe is low tier at high heat.

[solid hazel]

maybe it's good at mid-heat!

whatever that is

[haughty robin]

I mean, it's low tier on the ergonomic tier list?

Destroys your hands lmao

[half crater]

oh man

don’t ask what mid heat is

we don’t even know where high heat starts

[hearty elbow]

Hera + Beowulf with Infernal Soul and Fully Loaded do that more

[cunning urchin]

Mid is 32, no?

[hearty elbow]

carpal tunnel intensifies

[cunning urchin]

Since 64 is max.

[half crater]

probably

[cunning urchin]

But 32 is still kinda free, so it might as well be low heat.

[half crater]

32 is the new zero now lmao

[haughty robin]

Lol you're probably right, I had a 6 cast hera bow run earlier and I was begging for flurry cast to show just to spare the button mashing

[half crater]

welp, guess i should count myself lucky i’m not in the negatives

[hearty elbow]

I really hate Infernal Soul Hera for that reason alone

[stark ore]

32 heat is easy if you’re lucky with Athena SD boons, if you get a 2sack with ToSDark then it’s a free win

[cunning urchin]

I don't even worry about seeing Lady Athena at 32.

[solid hazel]

But 32 is still kinda free, so it might as well be low heat.
@cunning urchin Questioning my self worth right now

[half crater]

yeah it’s actually weird how much you can luck into a win at 32

[hearty elbow]

Yeah we're getting pretty elitist up in this piece

[half crater]

my first 32 was definitely by pure chance, no skill involved

[hearty elbow]

We usually leave this level of showboating to #h1-high-heat-strategies

[stark ore]

With Chiron I actually had to check the heat after winning because it felt too easy, most times though it’s Choke City

[half crater]

well, 50% chance 50% pre nerf chaos shield

[cunning urchin]

Elitist? You mean 32 isn't free for y'all?

[hearty elbow]

5head

[half crater]

wym i’m saying i can only get to 32 by luck

[cunning urchin]

I didn't know. I'm so sorry.

[sacred folio]

still working on beating 32 heat on an arbitrary number of aspects

[half crater]

that’s the opposite of elitist lol

[solid hazel]

I haven't even beaten 20 heat haha

but probably mostly from just not skipping ahead

been just climbing one at a time

[hearty elbow]

I haven't even beaten 20 heat haha
@solid hazel Neither have 95% of players

[haughty robin]

Lol I'm in the minority, I don't find 32 heat fun.

[stark ore]

Choke City is not a fun place to be when you mess up a decision and either have to live with the guilt for the run or give up

Honestly making a bad boon choice is the #1 cause of me ending a 32 heat run

[haughty robin]

Did it once with dio aphro privileged status chiron and called it a day.

[still vigil]

32 heat is fer ppl who like to eat mayo and peas on pizza

[half crater]

Lol I'm in the minority, I don't find 32 heat fun.
@haughty robin this is not the minority opinion

[solid hazel]

32 heat is fer ppl who like to eat mayo and peas on pizza
@still vigil does that exist?

[half crater]

you are sane; it is us who are crazy

[hearty elbow]

Lmao, I would be shocked if more than 2% of the player base completed 32 heat even once

[haughty robin]

Oh I guess I meant the people who frequent this channel

[still vigil]

@solid hazel unfortunately

[solid hazel]

it can't be that bad..

[haughty robin]

It seems like y'all grizzled vets

[still vigil]

hol up

[solid hazel]

I spend more time making math models of Hades than I do playing haha

[still vigil]

i am a weenie hut jr at hades

[solid hazel]

first of all, I can do that at work without being caught

[sacred folio]

Petition to add achievements for beating every heat level >= 32 so we can have the % numbers

[cunning urchin]

Neither have 95% of players
Second Skelly prize is 4.2% of Steam players, so it's even more than that.

[stark ore]

I’m not skilled, I just sacrifice two goats to RNGesus every Sunday morning

[still vigil]

why 2

wynaut more

[solid hazel]

Goats are expensive...

[hearty elbow]

Because the 16 Heat statue is 4.2% and heat does not scale difficulty linearly

[haughty robin]

Ah, since I'm a switch player there's probably even fewer of us 32 heat beaters, because em4 is auto lose if he spawns 2 doom stones lmao

[half crater]

I’m not skilled, I just sacrifice two goats to RNGesus every Sunday morning
@stark ore so that’s what i’m not doing

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, 32 is probably 1% or less.

[stark ore]

I mean TD3 is probably the only reason max heat hasn’t been done yet tbh

[haughty robin]

My powerpoint.....

[half crater]

damn where am i gonna get all these goats from

[cunning urchin]

There are a lot more reasons that max heat hasn't been done yet than TD3.

[full meteor]

see you need to up this sacrifices

[stark ore]

Just loot em off Persephone’s garden, and not the lame purple one

[hearty elbow]

Past 32 there is no in-game recognition, so I would further shocked if more than half a percent of the player base have a single 40+ clear

[solid hazel]

god I want to eat a goat now

[still vigil]

good stuff

[half crater]

...just like, a whole goat?

[haughty robin]

2x approval process can make things literally unwinnable imo

[still vigil]

@half crater yes

[solid hazel]

eventually, not all in one sitting

...just like, a whole goat?
@half crater

I'm not a savage here

[still vigil]

cantrelate

[hearty elbow]

2x approval process can make things literally unwinnable imo
@haughty robin Literally unenjoyable maybe.

[half crater]

fair enough lol

i tried AP1 recently

nope

[solid hazel]

yeah even AP1 just feels unfun

lol it would probably make me feel better if they didn't even tell you which boon you were missing

[haughty robin]

Yeah, unenjoyable for sure, and also killing yourself to reset the seed. I was referring to 50+ heat tho.

[hearty elbow]

I leave AP1 permanently to help desensitize myself to the salt

It's more or less working.

[still vigil]

im currently tryin HL4 at 32 heat and...

yea

thts not goin well

[cunning urchin]

There are only like 20 people who have a verified 40+.

[half crater]

like i said; my heat strats are all about luck and builds, so AP basically makes it impossible for me to do anything

[cunning urchin]

Probably less than 20?

[hearty elbow]

Verification requires a recording and submission to a discord, that's a tiny percentage of people who are going to do it

[haughty robin]

Also max calisthenics just seems terrible.

[still vigil]

verified??

[solid hazel]

yeah not everybody is doing it for the fame and glory

[hearty elbow]

40 is not so hard that I have the belief that our community is a representative sample

[half crater]

yeah i sometimes wonder if there’s some rando out there with a 60 heat clear who isn’t on the discord

[solid hazel]

some people do it for the pure masochistic pleasure

[still vigil]

you cant just take a screenshot?

[half crater]

just playing by himself or something lol

[hearty elbow]

Verified unseeded runs require a video from the death/victory of the previous run up to completing the actual run

It's a nice habit for both verification and to give the community more content to consume.

[still vigil]

why does that sound like so much pressure

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I'm sure there are a few more than the verified runs, but not a lot.

[stark ore]

There’s probably a kid named Tommy who goes on his uncle’s switch and casually no-hits max heat before mom calls him to eat dinner

We’ll never know though

[hearty elbow]

RI4 is not the bottleneck of 64 heat

AP2 TD3 is

[still vigil]

his uncle's probably horheristo @stark ore

[cunning urchin]

RI4 is certainly part of it, too.

[half crater]

one day horheristo just looks at his switch, and is like “huh why is my record 63? must be bugged”

[haughty robin]

Lmao the frame drops on higher heat are no joke.

[hearty elbow]

Yeah it's pretty damn annoying

[stark ore]

I’m kinda scared to go higher than 32 for now just because of RI, even just losing Fated Persuasion hurts

[hearty elbow]

Luckily I'm in casual mode when I'm on my switch

[cunning urchin]

you cant just take a screenshot?
We actually had a case of somebody stitching together a save-scummed video for high heat.

Two videos even.

[still vigil]

wow

[solid hazel]

that's a lot a work to cheat on something for no prize haha

[hearty elbow]

Trying to lie and say that Nemesis is a reasonable choice for 53 heat lol

[still vigil]

that's triflin as hell

[half crater]

ugh gross

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis isn't a reasonable choice for 40 lol.

[still vigil]

like that's a lot of work

fer nothin

[cunning urchin]

@stark ore I wouldn't take RI at all in the 40s, anyway.

[hearty elbow]

I would take RI1 literally never

It's RI0 or RI2

[half crater]

the lengths people go to for boasting rights on the internet smh

[stark ore]

Assuming I get to 32 heat with shield, that’s bold

[still vigil]

you can do it

[hearty elbow]

the lengths people go to for boasting rights on the internet smh
@half crater He didn't even boast. Like what was the gain

[still vigil]

i believe in ya

[half crater]

lol so it was just completely pointless then

[stark ore]

I take less damage with the spear than the weapon with a block mechanic, it’s insane

[still vigil]

if i can get to EM4 Hades with gilga with 25% hp left you can do it

[solid hazel]

I mean he probably should hav eknown he would get caught too...

[kind egret]

I found RI2 hurt far, far less than FO when I was doing it

[solid hazel]

it's pretty hard to convincingly fake an edit

[kind egret]

but also I had no experience with FO lol

[hearty elbow]

Unfortunately it really isn't that hard. It's an honor system

[still vigil]

how does rush delivery work with hyper sprint exactly?

cause it's not a perm mov speed incr

[solid hazel]

you think so? I feel like if people really check it out ,it's easy to tell if it's doctored, of course not every video will get that level of scrutiny

[half crater]

you get the buff while you have the buff

[barren otter]

basically a dash-strike upgrade.

[still vigil]

so greater haster is better

objectively

[hearty elbow]

I guess it would depend on how baseline good you are at the game? The less segments you need, the better. You still do need to be able to smoothly execute the content at least once after all.

[cunning urchin]

3 days after the fraud 53, they put up a perfectly legitimate Zag Shield WR at 46 Heat lol.

I still don't get it.

[still vigil]

what

i am confusion

[cunning urchin]

Clearly had skill nobody doubted lol.

[half crater]

confusion

[hearty elbow]

As @cunning urchin mentioned, he actually was good at the game lol.

[half crater]

maybe just faked it to see if they could

[haughty robin]

Maybe they loved nemesis sword?

[hearty elbow]

You need to be to do 53 heat Nemesis, doctored or not.

[solid hazel]

I guess I could see somebody feeling like they had practically achieved something

[cunning urchin]

To do 53 heat Nemesis, you need to be. That's deep.

[solid hazel]

and then self-justifying that they could doctor it since they had been unfairly cheated out of it

but still scummy

[cunning urchin]

Bruce Lee: Be water.
ledgerdamayn: Be.

[hearty elbow]

Lmao

[still vigil]

just yall wait Imma show yall my 60 heat clear with hades spear

yall not ready

[solid hazel]

I'm so ready

[hearty elbow]

Even as a doctored proof of concept it would be massively impressive lol.

[half crater]

all the ready here

honestly yeah

[cunning urchin]

I'm not holding my breath.

[solid hazel]

showerthought...where does the term doctoring footage come from?

[hearty elbow]

You're just not ready

[still vigil]

^

[solid hazel]

doesn't seem to have much to do with medicine...

[hollow folio]

they probably cut up the footage and stitch it together like a surgeon/doctor?

[half crater]

idk metaphor is weird

[hearty elbow]

Probably comes from the general idea of cutting stuff up and putting it back together again

[solid hazel]

mhmm okay i can see that...

not usually what a doctor does though

[hollow folio]

doctoring sounds a lot catchier than surgeoning too

[hearty elbow]

Well, you don't literally cut the bytes on your computer and reput them next to eachother lol, so we settle for metaphors

[haughty robin]

How does one make hades spear fun, I haven't played that aspect for 70 runs

[solid hazel]

usually they take two glances at you, pretend to do some tests, and then say you have a cold

give you a prescription for antibiotics

[still vigil]

unless yer a certain devil fruit eater

[half crater]

idk if antibiotics work on film

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, specifically a doctor cutting up f—you know what, I'm not gonna go there.

[full meteor]

How does one make hades spear fun, I haven't played that aspect for 70 runs
@haughty robin you need a spin hammer

[hearty elbow]

How does one make hades spear fun, I haven't played that aspect for 70 runs
@haughty robin Learn how to do minispins

[still vigil]

@haughty robin you choose the one under it

[mighty ermine]

@haughty robin you need a spin hammer
No

[full meteor]

dash spin help too

[haughty robin]

Lol ty for all the takes

[stark ore]

Quick Spin is all you really need for Hades, aside from that just run what you want

[mighty ermine]

Quick Spin is all you really need for Hades, aside from that just run what you want
Also no

[solid hazel]

@haughty robin I don't have any advice, but I felt left out

[hearty elbow]

Lol, @mighty ermine's Hades-Aspect-Defense-Bot sent him a notification.

[cunning urchin]

I feel like Quick Spin is such a waste on Hades Aspect.

[haughty robin]

I think the last time I played hades spear, I actually hadn't beaten dad yet... Like 0 escapes lmao

[mighty ermine]

I swear whenever I check in on mobile there's hades aspect discourse

[still vigil]

XD

[stark ore]

I'm gonna say something that'll get me smited

[still vigil]

well it's the best spear so 🤷🏿‍♀️

[stark ore]

I've never done a run with Hades spear

[solid hazel]

I swear whenever I check in on mobile there's hades aspect discourse
@mighty ermine There's a notification that tells us when yoiu're looking, we just start talking about Hades aspect then

[vapid bolt]

ive also never done a run with hades spear, and spear is my most used weapon

[mighty ermine]

Lmao

[vapid bolt]

achilles spear is so good

[half crater]

i did one (1) run with hades spear yesterday

[cunning urchin]

All my victories include Hades spear at one point.

[still vigil]

achilles spear is okay if you have a good cast build set up

[stark ore]

I'll prob invest some titan blood into Hades then run it at 0 heat soon though, seems fun if you know how to use it

[half crater]

tore through the whole game then died to my own stupidity at hades

[cunning urchin]

Some of my deaths, too.

[haughty robin]

Well uh, besides very specific hammer recommendations that cannot be agreed upon, any fun boon suggestions?

[hearty elbow]

I thought Hades was grossly unplayable, and I lumped it together with Zag sword. Then I learned about the minispin 👼

[half crater]

minispin to win

[hearty elbow]

Also the Dash-Strike > Spin

[solid hazel]

I thought Hades was grossly unplayable, and I lumped it together with Zag sword. Then I learned about the minispin 👼
@hearty elbow uhh Zag sword and world splitter combo? Insta win

[mighty ermine]

And now even minispins on hades aspect aren't really that mini. Blessed

[cunning urchin]

If you practice Guan Yu a lot like I do, then Hades Aspect feels like turning on God Mode . . . probably. I've no idea what turning on God Mode feels like, but I imagine that's what it's like.

[vapid bolt]

i mean my playstyle with spear is basically just never stop spamming dash strike

[hearty elbow]

It's a fairly apt comparison from GY to any aspect lol

[mighty ermine]

Hades aspect fully supports dash strike spam though

[cunning urchin]

I'm taking all the credit for the spin buff on Hades Aspect.

[mighty ermine]

You just gotta sweep first

[vapid bolt]

well, yes, but achilles spear is more mobile and i like that, idk

[still vigil]

is it possible to feel attacked by an indirect statement? cause ive def use God mode XD

[mighty ermine]

Hades aspect is plenty mobile?

[kind egret]

What's the minispin? As in, minimum spin charge?

[haughty robin]

What's the input for mini spin? Just let go asap?

[hearty elbow]

It's not asap

[mighty ermine]

Yeah, just non fully charged spins, best paired with dash spin tech

[vapid bolt]

a little more than just "asap"

[hearty elbow]

It's a window

[vapid bolt]

but its pretty fast

[kind egret]

cool

[half crater]

lol imagine fully charging a spin

[haughty robin]

Think I need to find footage of it.

[hearty elbow]

lol imagine fully charging a spin
@half crater cries in GY

[haughty robin]

Unless it's something you can feel out?

[vapid bolt]

its before the first white flash

theres no indication for it

but its about half the time it takes between holding the attack button and the first white flash

[half crater]

you can feel it out, yeah

[cunning urchin]

Just feel it out, yeah.

[haughty robin]

Ahhhhhhh ok yeah I never tried letting go before a white flash

[hearty elbow]

I think you can just feel it out

[mighty ermine]

Feel it out yes

[haughty robin]

Almost seems like the anti-power shot

[solid hazel]

feel me out yes

[half crater]

i did my first hades aspect run in ages yesterday, and i got the hang of it pretty quickly

[still vigil]

so what's the most tanky boon build i could potentially have in a run

[half crater]

it’s the rest of spear micro i couldn’t do lol

[cunning urchin]

No, watch footage. Don't feel it out. It's a trap.

[hearty elbow]

feel me out yes
@solid hazel This post, officer.

[mighty ermine]

Proxy get him

[solid hazel]

errm Freudian slip?

[still vigil]

security!

[sacred folio]

Somewhere around 0.26 seconds for a minispin, I believe.

[solid hazel]

your sense of time astounds me

[cunning urchin]

Where did you get that number lol.

[hearty elbow]

They felt it out

[still vigil]

maybe theyre a time lord

[vapid bolt]

lmao

[haughty robin]

Jesus I have never said anything in my life was .26 seconds lmao

[dry quiver]

Yeah after a lot of Guan Yu runs and finally losing with it. Hades Aspect was, in fact, a cake walk

[sacred folio]

It's in Game\Weapons\PlayerWeapons.sjson

[still vigil]

oh

[haughty robin]

Ahhhhh

[solid hazel]

I once had a guy dub me the atomic clock...I'm not sure why

[still vigil]

welp there goes the magic

[vapid bolt]

what if chronos was in the game. chronos is greek mythology right?

[sacred folio]

But I can't find the time for the other 2 proper spin so I'm not sure.

That's why I haven't put the numbers on the wiki yet

[hearty elbow]

.26 sounds wayyyy too short fwiw

[haughty robin]

Doing gods work

[hearty elbow]

But I can't argue with felt out numbers

[half crater]

yeah it feels like longer than that

but idk

[mighty ermine]

There's kronos the greek titan but things didn't work out great for him

[solid hazel]

everybody knows you use feelings to measure time

[haughty robin]

I'm gonna try this mini spin thing and maybe it'll rock my hades world

[half crater]

feelings is ancient greek for minutes, probably

[solid hazel]

lol honestly all this talking about minispin has made me question if I really understand what it is

I do'nt know if I'm feeling it enough

[still vigil]

do you feel it now mr krabs

[hearty elbow]

I'm gonna try this mini spin thing and maybe it'll rock my hades world
@haughty robin It jumped from my second least favorite aspect to top 5. Remember you can spin out of a dash strike too.

[vapid bolt]

im messing with it in skellys room atm, it definitely feels like more than 0.26 lol

[haughty robin]

Wowwwww top 5

[vapid bolt]

i still prefer achilles anyway

[haughty robin]

Impressive, I've never even thought of making a top 5.

[half crater]

i’m way better with achilles

cast builds crutch me hard

[vapid bolt]

oh i use achilles for attack builds too

[hearty elbow]

Mine is 3 different bows, Eris then Hades lol

[solid hazel]

What's in your top 19 favorite aspects?

[cunning urchin]

@hearty elbow has also never made top 5.

[still vigil]

wait ppl have a top 5?

[hearty elbow]

I'm top 4 in 1.0 pls&ty

[half crater]

my top five is all five of the extra shields from Chaos

[kind egret]

Hey do cast buffs increase the damage of the bolts from scintillating feast by any chance

[half crater]

hey, someone’s gotta show chaos some love

[still vigil]

wait yall arent talkin about leader boards are yall...

[vapid bolt]

theres leaderboards?

[half crater]

there’s a leaderboard

sort of

[haughty robin]

Hmm.... Mine just changes too often. Like I've been on a real demeter kick lately

[hearty elbow]

There's 1.5 leaderboards. We're currently in negotiations to make a more official one that makes sense.

[half crater]

oh neat

[hearty elbow]

The more supported one at the moment is stickied in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[half crater]

ngl i have no idea what’s happening in the current one

[still vigil]

@kind egret maybe not? since it's not the cast itself?

idk tbh

[solid hazel]

yeah I would have answered if I knew

I'm going to go with ...maybe

[haughty robin]

@kind egret I want to say no, zeus bolts are their own thing, they will only have damage increased by stuff like billowing strength, eris rail, etc

[still vigil]

i know fer sure zeus boons affect them tho @kind egret

[half crater]

i think the answer is no

[solid hazel]

but do you feel the answer?

[half crater]

but i can’t say i’ve specifically paid attention to the numbers on screen to be sure

[still vigil]

i feel it

[half crater]

ye

i feel em

[kind egret]

I guess I will be the one to do the science today then 🙂

[half crater]

do it

[still vigil]

and show the answer pls

[solid hazel]

I've been trying to read Stein's gate this whole time also

[still vigil]

im curious

[cunning urchin]

Hello curious.

[solid hazel]

dad jokes never get old

unlike dads...

[still vigil]

they become dead jokes

[hearty elbow]

It's kind of impressive that more people have gotten all the companions than have seen the epilogue

[cunning urchin]

Two people have laughed at my impeccable joke. I feel accomplished.

[hearty elbow]

You need a lot of game completions to get them all

[still vigil]

i used god mode to see the epilogue

[solid hazel]

yeah I didn't get antos until well after epilogue

[still vigil]

then i was happy and turned it off

[solid hazel]

although I think I wasted like 10 runs maybe by not checking pattie's name in the codex

[gritty pendant]

Heyo

[hearty elbow]

Bath time come, make Todd shiny and clean.

[solid hazel]

sorry we don't know how to respond to greetings

we only speak in Hades mechanics

[gritty pendant]

It's alright

[solid hazel]

lmao

[mossy light]

poseidon is going to cast a pom 3 flood shot on rama

[hearty elbow]

what?

[solid hazel]

splish splash!

[gritty pendant]

Got Gilgamesh prob my favorite weapon along with arthur.

[mossy light]

4th aspects

[hearty elbow]

Furry B-slaps: the Aspect

[cunning urchin]

I've probably written like 600 words in chat since I woke up when I should be writing 300 words for my English homework.

[solid hazel]

gotta help the enemies maximize their damage on you too

[hearty elbow]

I've probably written like 600 words in chat since I woke up when I should be writing 300 words for my English homework.
@cunning urchin Just turn in your chat log for homework

[solid hazel]

just submit the chat log

[half crater]

just submit this chat as homework

lmao

how did i get ninja’d for that

[gritty pendant]

all 3 at the same time

[solid hazel]

wow @hearty elbow quoted and beat us all to it

fastest finger in the west

[spare siren]

Hi fellow slashers, I kind of suck at this game and cant get past Hades (36 tries), I spent all my bloods on Chiro's aspect already so I cant unlock any other wpn aspect, can you guide me to success ? 😄

[still vigil]

Got Gilgamesh prob my favorite weapon along with arthur.
@gritty pendant i found a friend

[cunning urchin]

Well, it's gotta be about my favorite place in Berlin. (I don't have one lol.)

[half crater]

well, she has to do it now

rule of three and all

[cunning urchin]

"My favorite place in Berlin is #h1-builds-and-combat."

Checks out.

[half crater]

A++

[solid hazel]

@spare siren we could try to help you make a decent build, but not sure that will necessarily with the run for you

[cunning urchin]

I could probably get away with it because we need like B1 levels of English in this class, and she knows I'm at a native speaker level lol.

[solid hazel]

where are you dying a lot?

[gritty pendant]

I bet 3rd floor

[mossy light]

@spare siren chiron bow is a good aspect

[hearty elbow]

Okay, well, it's half past meme o'clock, so I will be passing out shortly. Good memes to you all.

[solid hazel]

bye bye @hearty elbow

[gritty pendant]

bye!

[spare siren]

I'm getting used to the game by now so I see Hades more ofter

[still vigil]

night ppl!

[sacred folio]

waves bye

[cunning urchin]

There's a simple build guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players for starters.

[half crater]

half past meme o’clock is when i sleep also

[spare siren]

before that depending on boons I got stuck on Elyseum

[half crater]

needless to say, i get a meme amount of sleep

[mossy light]

i mean, the easiest way to win is to farm the darkness up for 3 revives, the gold, the dashes, damage, and whatever and just win the game from there

[solid hazel]

umm thick skin helps alot too

[mossy light]

right, the HP

with chiron, you can equip the zeus trinket and get the thunder special, that should do work

[solid hazel]

no don't do that...the cool down on Zeus special makes it bad

[mossy light]

ah

[half crater]

prolly better with arty or dio special, yeah

[mossy light]

works for the secret bow, figured itd be fine for chiron

[cunning urchin]

The newbie build guide was written by a superduper amazing player. I'm a fan of hers.

[solid hazel]

Dio special is quite good, I don't know if arty is competitive anymore with the nerf

[mossy light]

dio makes sense, chiron has 5+shots, and the max dio stacks are 5

[solid hazel]

I think it has 8 shots

[half crater]

arty is still competitive

[solid hazel]

maxed out anyway