#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 697

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:41 AM

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got an anvil that switches the two but I have the ability to quit for some reason

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:41 AM

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depends on armor/no armor

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piercing only does extra dmg vs armor

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:42 AM

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uh I meant relentless or concentrated whoops

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actually

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no I didn't

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nvm

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I know what I'm picking then

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:42 AM

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👍

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:42 AM

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lol thanks

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ok well now I got concentrated instead of relentless zaglol

mossy light Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 AM

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huhhm, tell us how it works i guess?

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charged shot chiron

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I think concentrated is more powerful

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with the boons I have

barren otter Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 AM

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I don't think you can even get charged volley on Chiron

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 AM

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you can't

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ye

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I think concentrated is better right now? my so called "build" has 260 on my special

mossy light Oct 22, 2020, 4:51 AM

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oh, concentrated, i thought it was charged

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 4:51 AM

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nah charged can't appear for chiron

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as long as I'm understanding concentrated right I think it's better

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because if I hit consecutively it adds 3 extra base damage, then 6, then 9, and so on?

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I think thanthink

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doesn't really matter lol

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Concentrated Volley is better for % boons on Chiron, Relentless is better for stacking Status Curses (that can stack, anyway).

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:54 AM

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concentrated is pretty nice

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^^^

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both good at different things

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Con. Volley > Relentless Volley > Piercing Volley.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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im kind of curious what status would stack that many times though tbh

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even base chiron can stack 8 hangover stacks on low tolerance enemiees

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Arctic Blast and Dire Misfortune.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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mmm fair

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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It's still a good Hammer option, just "worse" than Concentrated Volley.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 4:55 AM

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never run arctic blast chiron but seems interesting

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 4:56 AM

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It's aight.

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 5:02 AM

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lmao I love being able to clear a run by just pressing special

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brings me a joy nothing else can

mossy light Oct 22, 2020, 5:03 AM

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hitting elysium buggers with bowspecial is a pain

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Does Zagreus bow have a hidden property of faster draw speed when leveled

snow furnace Oct 22, 2020, 5:05 AM

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no

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Nope.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Huh must have been my imagination

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RibBleeding

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Is the crit chance bonus only for attack or for the special as well

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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zag bow is my favorite bow :)

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only attack

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Shame but then 10% is already pretty good I guess

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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The DPS is really good.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Speaking of that are stats multiplicative or additive or case-by-case

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:06 AM

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

Hades Wiki

Damage Calculation

A high-level overview of the damage calculation process could be:

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Say I got maxed zag bow + let's say epic Pressure Point that gives 4% global crit chance

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Ah thanks

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Crit chance is additive.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Very cool

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uziHappy

mossy light Oct 22, 2020, 5:08 AM

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MATH?! dusa

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:08 AM

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That's the go-to build for Zag bow: Heartbreak Strike + Heart Rend.

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Ideally with Hunter Dash.

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Heart Rend is multiplicative.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:08 AM

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I probably asked this before but where does Demeter stand in regards to her boons outside of proccing PS

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Seems like she's the kind of god that wants to be paired with others esp. Duos like how Aphro is

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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wiki says heart rend needs art attack spec or cast

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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I honestly don't notice the slow that much but then I haven't played with anything more than FO1

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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is it wrong

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:09 AM

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She's in "same damage as Lady Athena but no Deflect" tier.

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@robust anchor no, that's right.

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i see

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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And like you really need to invest in her to get anything substantial again like Aphro

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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?

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Gods like Ares, Dio seems to work fine with very few boons since they are pretty good as is

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:10 AM

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Lady Aphrodite has the highest +% modifier.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Oh huh

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I.. didn't notice

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Missing one Death Defiance is it worth taking Patros restore

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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she is notorious for big damage

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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So big damage + reduce damage taken + even more big damage with I think Sweet Surrender?

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 5:11 AM

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but at common lvl1 atk, art does more

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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@spice vine depends on how confident you are and what your build is. I'd take Attack damage with 2 DDs in a lot of builds, but I know I'll clear that run 100%, so I'm just going for speed.

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Oh yeah his attack buff is only for attack right

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not special?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Correct.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Oh I thought the jerky is global

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OuroborosSlain

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 AM

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Yeah thats not the best for my build atm then since i'm using Chiron

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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I don't know what your Chiron build is.

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Athro/Dio

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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With Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Flourish, the Attack buff is great.

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 AM

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unless you need the health or are running an attack build, i'd go with getting your DD back

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Do any of the gods have semi-hidden properties like Aphro's generally high % (i.e. that people usually don't notice rather than actually hidden)

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(like me because I'm daft)

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Errr . . .

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Dosen't most of Chirons damage come from its special though?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Poseidon has a hidden "this Attack does no damage" property, I guess?

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:14 AM

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I just learned that Dio's hangover on different skill doesn't stack and are separate instances

thorny dirge Oct 22, 2020, 5:15 AM

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poseidon got big numbers on special but crap for attack... i guess

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:16 AM

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I use Drunken Flourish to apply DOT and otherwise focus on Attack. You don't need Special hammers with Drunken Flourish, so Attack hammers are better.

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:16 AM

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oh I see

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which attack hammers should I focus

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Anything you like.

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Twin Shot is nice.

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 5:25 AM

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um... combining poseidon and zeus leads to some hilarious (and pretty strong) results

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 5:27 AM

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Yeah, and it's mostly piggybacking off Zeus' effects that are chained off Sea Storm.

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Don't get me wrong, Poseidon does have useful tools in his kit, but it's appreciably the weakest and most narrow kit.

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Poseidon focus for Styx is hilarious though

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Time to clear an entire chamber with a single button press

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Unfortunately dad's arena is a little too open for that

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Tidal Dash is great.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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tidal dash

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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i love tidal dash + extra dashes + zeus fun

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 5:32 AM

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renowned for being the second best dash

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Speaking of which does Guan Yu's spin procs thunder multiple times if I have Thunder Strike

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Or just once

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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i actually turned my most recent rama build into this just coz it was more fun lol

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Without counting Double Strike or what not

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 5:33 AM

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no i think it has an internal CD

spare scaffold Oct 22, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Beats only proccing once

viscid pawn Oct 22, 2020, 5:39 AM

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How does Aphrodite's weak interact with damage that isn't big enough to properly register a percent as a whole value

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If you were hit for 1, for example

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:40 AM

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.7 is still 1 damage.

viscid pawn Oct 22, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Rounded up then.

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Do Weak (Damage Debuff) and Athena's (Defense Up) behave a seperate categories?

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Or do they compute together as a general "Don't take this amount of damage"

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:41 AM

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They're multiplicative.

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https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

Hades Wiki

Damage Calculation

A high-level overview of the damage calculation process could be:

Damage = Base Damage
× (1 + Sum of Critical Damage Bonus)
× (1 + Sum of Regular Damage Bonuses)
× (Product of (1 - Damage Reductions))

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Trying Chiron Aphro/Dio using a much higher leveled Aphro over the Dio and I still feel spamming special dio does more than using the attack

viscid pawn Oct 22, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Ares/Aphro Duo says Doom continously strikes Weakened enemies.

Does that meat you repeatedly stack doom, or does Doom stay active as a DoT instead of burst?

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Picked it up and it doesn't FEEL like I'm suddenly doing 5x procs of doom instead of just one when I break off

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:53 AM

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Oh, I would actually put all my poms on Drunken Flourish.

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Spamming your Flourish isn't gonna do more, though, because once you've capped Hangover stacks on any target, doing another Flourish isn't gonna add much damage.

spice vine Oct 22, 2020, 5:54 AM

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I mean the special itself

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I feel it does more than attacking

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:55 AM

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The combo is Dash-Strike Power Shot > Special > repeat. Always on a new target to get Hangover on everything.

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Is this for Rama?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Your Hangover might do more damage, but there's no point in putting Special hammers on it because Drunken Flourish doesn't benefit from that in any way.

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Chiron.

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:43 AM

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is there some factor that influences whether repeat boons show up? I.e. I already have an attack boon, another god gives me a higher quality one?

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sometimes I get it, sometimes I can't find one even after 3 encounters and multiple rerolls

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I picked up an epic dio attack boon (because the other 2 choices were garbo) in hopes that other gods can grant a heroic one to replace

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Exchanges have a very low chance from appearing, normally.

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:44 AM

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never showed up

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:45 AM

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But if you have all your core boons and they don't have more t1 boons left to give you, you're guaranteed exchanges.

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:45 AM

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ah

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that explains, I had my cast slot free

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thanks for the heads up

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Picking up a boon hoping for an exchange is not a reliable strategy.

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It's good only in very specific situations that typically involve an exchange from Lady Artemis.

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:47 AM

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neither is reproduction but here we are with 7 billion people

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xD

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Because Lady Artemis only has 6 t1 boons, 5 of which are core boons.

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 6:48 AM

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reproduction is more reliable than hoping for a replacement boon 😉

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:49 AM

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sadly higher quality artemis basic boons doesn't increase crit chance

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only damage

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:49 AM

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"Only." dusa

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:50 AM

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6 t1 boons?

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what am i missing that's not core

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Pressure Points.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 AM

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right

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im guessing exit wounds doesnt count

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 AM

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It's T2, requires a lodging Cast boon.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 AM

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oh huh

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for some reason in my head it worked with base cast

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but now that i think back

fair plinth Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 AM

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but your base cast is a lodging cast...

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 6:52 AM

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I shouldn't be looking at the Wiki, lemme check in-game.

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The game will still check for a prereq of some kind.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:52 AM

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that feels like an inconsistency if it doesnt

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weird

turbid needle Oct 22, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Requires one of True, Flood, Electric, Crush, or Phalanx Shot to spawn.

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I know from experience mechanically it still works, if for whatever reason you sell your Cast.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/3lwlCbC.png

Imgur

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i am too blessed to be stressed

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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weapon?

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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fists

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time to pick bronze skin dusa

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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ez merciful end

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lol

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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yep

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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best boon

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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i just wish i wasnt doing bounty run

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:56 AM

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def sure footing

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 AM

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and this happened during a speed run

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😦

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 AM

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F

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 AM

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although getting it barge of death is kind of late

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 AM

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That's early tbh.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:57 AM

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i spose

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:58 AM

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yea its like 1.5 out of 4 into the run

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:59 AM

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yeah my tartarus time was pretty bad but i got ath/ares/art so i can't complain

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gonna just enjoy it and accept that it wont be PB

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 6:59 AM

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lol

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i want to get into speedrunning

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but exams be like

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ha nope

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 6:59 AM

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i also want to get into speedrunning

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but im bad so like

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ha nope

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:00 AM

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I'll get you into speedrunning. Just follow my easy steps.

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(1) Pick Eris,
(2) pick Thunder Signet,
(3) switch to Conch Shell in Asphodel.

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Done. You're now a speedrunner.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:00 AM

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lol true

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i got deadly reversal on the next boon

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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well my fastest time (13 min) is with that combo

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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why is my rng always good on runs i dont care about

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Alternatively
(1) Take Eris
(2) Take Hazrd Bomb
(3) Die to Hades on live stream

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Next you go "behold my amazing sub 10 runs. I'm a speedrunner. Woo~."

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Can't be me =.=

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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i dont pause enough to get good times 😦

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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@dry ember didn't you die with Eris during the Hermes Cup?

placid topaz Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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i sit there and think a lot before picking a room lol

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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alternatively just die w/o streaming

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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That's the reference

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Yes

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Everybody's got their own talents.

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At least you found your niche.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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that is tough

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hazard bomb niche

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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✈️ joke
🐈

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Now you're stealing memes.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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i want to get into streaming........ but laptop will def break with twitch

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:03 AM

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No talent after all. I take it back.

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Just buy a $300 capture card and another computer to stream. What are you, poor?

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/s of course, love ya

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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lol i no

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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Just ask a guy to buy you a computer.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:06 AM

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money be like haha i no exist

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lol ez

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sugar daddy go brrr

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Money to me is like Hades to Zag. Distant and busy elsewhere.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:08 AM

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but beats you up regularly when u try to leave home due to the lack of attention u give/get

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:09 AM

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It was ez, yeah. And I didn't have to pay a cent.

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Give back to the community.

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Nah.

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Ya.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Yes

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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But you can buy me stuff. I'm cute. GWvictoriaMeguFace

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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I'm cute too UwU

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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OwO

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:10 AM

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@void fjord that's the spirit. You're getting there.

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@dry ember no.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 7:11 AM

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well its too ez to 🐈 🐟 online tbh

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:17 AM

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anyone know sack mechanics

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Question: 2 Sack is more likely than other sacks
Result: Confirmed
Explanation: You can get different lengths of styx wings. In the case when you get a longer 5 chamber wing, it will roll your sack chance twice (once after third room and again after fourth). This means that in those situations 2 sack is a 44% chance. We still are not fully clear on when you get 4 chambers vs 5, but the current theory is its based on the difficulty points of the enemies seen. I will revisit this on a future mythbusting stream to finish quantifying.
Quoted from @amber jackal in the speedrun server.

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Other than that, it will never show up in the first tunnel.

sacred stirrup Oct 22, 2020, 7:19 AM

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best shield build??

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any reco

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Which aspect?

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They all play differently.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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mmm make sense thanks @cunning urchin

proven osprey Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Yeah

sacred stirrup Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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no aspect

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lmao

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i cant even unlock guan yu for some reason

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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i feel like the game gives me 4 sacks as if to say "at least it wasnt a 5 sack"

proven osprey Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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You take it and hop, to the doggo

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:20 AM

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There's a build guide for all the base weapons pinned in #h1-for-new-players. squirtnya

sacred stirrup Oct 22, 2020, 7:22 AM

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tqtq

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Add onto that, Pulverizing Blow, Empowering Flight nd Dashing Wallop are good on vanilla shield.

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I really like Dashing Wallop, something about it just feels really solid

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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what about dread flight bouldy

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Plus with Zag shield it's great

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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It's dreadful

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:24 AM

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when will devs fix dread flight it should be S tier

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Gotta look that up on the wiki to jog my memory

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:25 AM

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works as intended

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Longer flight time = less time you use your shield.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:25 AM

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the worst part is

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it doesnt even hit those extra 4 targets sometimes

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most of the time

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😦

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Doom/Aphro special with Dread Flight/Chain Skewer is nutty, does a ton of damage and is really satisfying to use

dry ember Oct 22, 2020, 7:26 AM

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It's living up to its name.

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Dread the Flight time.

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Oh yeah how does Minotaur Rush even work

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Do you have to charge it for longer to get the power rush or

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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it'll flash

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like the charge shot on bow

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question for all you chiron users

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is flurry shot a good hammer

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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ohhhhh

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:29 AM

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it seems like a good hammer

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:30 AM

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I don't like Flurry Shot on pad with auto aim, but if it works for you, it works for you.

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Use Chiron every now and then, usually I love the flurry hammer boons but Flurry Fire kinda sucks imo

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Just doesn't feel right and kinda feels underwhelming

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Flurry is always ok imo, sure there's better options if you're going for a special build but it's not bad

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Flurry + chain is based though

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:30 AM

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i just like being able to click + special x3

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:31 AM

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mhm

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Yea that's one of the biggest benefits

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Wait, can Flurry combo with Point-Blank shot?

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If so then squirtyay

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:31 AM

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That would be broken haha

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 7:31 AM

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My go-to build at the moment is Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Flourish and ignore Special hammers.

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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yeah im doing that rn

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Wiki doesn't say that it can't combo

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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ew chain shot is strange

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Orly

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Welp I know what I'm doing tomorrow

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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chain shot makes chiron special targeting all weird

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Chain is free high dmg aoe

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Oh for that yea

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It targets the last person hit

stark ore Oct 22, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Shouldn't it be the first? Seems like an oversight tbh

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Nah the arrow jumps my dude

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It tracks the one it's "stuck" in

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:33 AM

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got a common drunken flourish targeted by rare crop

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let's go

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yep definitely gonna try to anvil off chain shot

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 7:37 AM

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achi spear buff and an atk boon stack additively yes?

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 7:38 AM

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yeeeee

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Huh. Decided to just take what I get

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Eris aspect + Aphro attack + Spread Fire is pretty fun

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With Athena dash and special to compensate

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Basically just shotgun mode

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Easy to get in and our of range safely with the Athena boons

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And the Aphro attack + Spread Fire deals quite a lot of damage

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:02 AM

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not gonna lie

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chain shot on chiron sucks

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not gonna pretend it doesnt

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Piercing is amazing though

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Does High Voltage/Double strike also work on the lightning dmg on Zeus/Poseidon duo boon?

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Backstab for free

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Yes

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:03 AM

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yes works on any lightning strike

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Sea Storm is excellent for stacking lightning boons

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Add in Razor Shoals and you can do a ton of damage

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Guan Yu + Poseidon Special + Sea Storm + Pikachu dashing and plenty of lightning boons is one of my favorite builds so far

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:04 AM

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yea i think it’s my favourite build

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ive been using it most weapons

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:04 AM

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You just aim, fire, and melt

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Poseidon attack/special, Zeus dash, and a decent Cast that helps with more duos

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Then add every lightning boon that scales

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:05 AM

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tidal dash is good on that one too

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i usually just go all aphro GY though

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thanks to the heavy aphro propaganda on this server

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Poseidon’s call also works

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really nice dmg imo

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Aphro seemed like she wouldn't be, but it turns our she's got the highest base damage output

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Zeus and Poseidon have more potential for scaling without duos though

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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poseidon and potential for scaling should not be in the same sentence

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Aphrodite: lets. get. physical.

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Poseidon + Sea Storm absolutely is

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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but

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Razor Shoals + Jolted is insane

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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isnt that a duo

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Yes lol but I was referring to Aphro not scaling well without duos

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You need the extra damage or continuous damage on weak boons

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Aphro is strong but idk, i just like seeing lightning effects

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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The raw damage output is so high it mostly doesn't matter though if you get an epic Aphro on your main dps

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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not really

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aphro sweet surrender just

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pom it up

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Oh yeah if you get Aphro's legendary and lots of poms

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Then Aphro is pure damage

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:08 AM

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i sold her legendary LOL

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:08 AM

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She deals emotional damage

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:08 AM

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tbh i sell most legendaries that arent zeus or huge catch bouldy

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:08 AM

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any ideas on how to use rama aspect?

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Huge Catch + Hazard Bomb + Eris Aspect is easily the most overpowered build

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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@stone ferry artemis attack + aphro/dio special is pretty popular

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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squirtheh

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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if you go all special speccing into zeus is nice

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, Drunken Flourish or Thunder Flourish for Rama.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Yeah crits on rama attack are good

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If you can make sure your special increases their chances

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:10 AM

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aight ill give it a go

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:10 AM

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I wish shared suffering would last a bit longer though

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I tend to find I kill enemies before it can expire

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@cunning urchin what am I doing wrong lol?

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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which boon should I force? attack or special?

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Also building around shared suffering feels weird because it doesn't help with bosses at all

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And I'm not yet concerned with clearing rooms fast

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Just max boss DPS

stone ferry Oct 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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true true

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I imagine it's much more useful at higher heats

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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watch tailesque

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he demonstrates very well

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he has many rama vids

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:12 AM

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yeah you dont really use it that much on bosses except to set up debuffs

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ie to apply hangover for crit chance

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Yeah Rama special does seem great for debuffs like hangover

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Or for chill if you're going Arctic blast

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Hits a lot really fast and stacks quickly

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:13 AM

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dont get arctic blast

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you wanna keep chill on them

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:13 AM

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I mean yeah I agree except

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It's so easy to just stack more chill

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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There's no Special that increases crit chance lol.

hoary slate Oct 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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There's no Special that increases crit chance lol.
@cunning urchin think the dio/Art duo

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Dionysus Special to inflict hangover with Splitting Headache?

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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you ever just go full beyblade with hunting blades, blitz disc and ares's aid

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Yes lol

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It's amazing

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LET IT RIP

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Shared Suffering works on the target itself. You'll do an extra 60% damage to the enemy that you hit with your Attack. So it's great for bosses, too.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:15 AM

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oh so it does

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Was wondering and suspected it did

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Does it count as a debuff for that one talent?

hoary slate Oct 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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No

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Aw

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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debuffs from weapons and hammer upgrades don't count for priv status

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 8:16 AM

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You get Drunken Flourish more for the damage and for clearing DC hearts. The Duo Boon is just extra.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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DC = ?

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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damage control

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Haven't played with all of the pact conditions enough yet to remember them all

hoary slate Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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We're not in the heat channel ;)

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Ahhh

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:17 AM

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pact of punishment

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Meanwhile in the US: Pachyderm of Punishment

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Pacts are a thing at any heat not just high heat lol.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Pacts are for noobs, real pros play at zero heat

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squirtheh

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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:(

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:19 AM

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I'm already post credits and still don't have a single companion 😦

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Need to work on that now that nectar is plentiful from vanquisher's keep

hoary slate Oct 22, 2020, 8:20 AM

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But you don't need to change your playstyle until you Start to pile heat.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:20 AM

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I'm closest to getting Antos

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At Achilles lock

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Do I need to max Patroclus now too?

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:22 AM

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zero heat just becomes zzzzz after a while

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but that might just be me

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games are personal 🤷‍♂️

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and no you dont need to max patty

reef galleon Oct 22, 2020, 8:23 AM

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and that's why they're all the same

games are personal 🤷‍♂️

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Man. The way I feel about Hades in this game mirrors how I feel/felt about my parents way too much

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When young: YOURE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING SCREW YOU

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When older: my parents are actually pretty cool and reasonable people and they were largely right

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Just very stuck in their ways. But not out of any malice.

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Damn you supergiant and your... your good writing...

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Making me actually think about how I acted when I was a teenager so long ago

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cringes

reef galleon Oct 22, 2020, 8:26 AM

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I wish I felt this way

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Then either you were super mature early on or your parents suck

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Either way sounds like it's either positive or not your fault dusa

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At least I didn't make such bad decisions as trying to fight Charon in Tartarus with only one boon

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I got him to 20% health so that's something though

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Yo wtf I was watching this youtuber do a chiron run

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And he tried to avoid hammer at all costs

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How is that a thing?

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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well you just dont take them

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Bruh

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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same way you do a boonless run

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Why

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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why not

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why do you do a boonless run

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Its not like he tried to have weak rub

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Run

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It seems like he thinks hammer is bad or smth

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Was my impression

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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maybe he didnt want to crap crappy hammers

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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can u link the video kekw

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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like explosive shots

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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https://youtu.be/0DQXNDqWA34

YouTube

Haelian

Chiron still SLAPS after nerf! Level 24 Hangover to carry! /Hades v...

This balancing patch has not hit the Switch version quite yet!

Nerf clarification: Bow volley (special) reduced from 15 damage to 10 damage per arrow. Chiron's arrows got increased from 7 to 8 when using the special to slightly compensate.

Come visit us LIVE on twitch http:/...

▶ Play video

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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good old haelian

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love the guy

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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He avoids hammer like it's the plague

blissful grail Oct 22, 2020, 8:43 AM

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me too

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even I avoid them

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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some hammers are controversials

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Okay

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Why

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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so people just avoid them

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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You could get relentless volley

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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and you couldnt

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so you waste a reward

blissful grail Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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for hera I hate all hammers

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Hmmm

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Bruh

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:44 AM

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bouldy .

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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I'm gonna keep taking my hammers

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Best upgrade always

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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you do you

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Yeye

blissful grail Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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what engine was hades made on?

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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just cause you like doesnt mean is good for everyone

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:45 AM

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I just can't imagine not taking em, they're the most fun imo by far

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:46 AM

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he was also kind of memeing that run

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i mean

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:46 AM

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is simple, youre risking not getting a special hammer, which pretty much wasted a room reward

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:46 AM

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level 24 special is memes

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he probably wouldve taken a pom over a hammer in that run

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:46 AM

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are you talking about the first room

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where he takes the erebus

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:46 AM

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No

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He avoids it later too

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He rerolls hammer room

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And doesn't buy it in shop with 500 gold

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:47 AM

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darn idk

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guess he goes crazy on 15 heat

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:47 AM

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it doesnt do that much for drunken flourish anyway

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its not like you can stack more than 8 hangover

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:47 AM

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^

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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oh wow true

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5head

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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hammers are generally good, but if it does nothing for your build, is pointless

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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But he aims for that thing that allows him to stack more

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Then relentless would be good?

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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yeah

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but it only lets you stack up to 8

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up from the normal 5

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Oh

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Okay

opal lodge Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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and chiron special is 8 shots anyway

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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I guess that makes sense

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 8:48 AM

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kekw

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we figured it out buckos

limber flax Oct 22, 2020, 8:49 AM

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🙏

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:16 AM

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What happens if you take 0 hammers then get to Styx?

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Does the anvil just give you two random hammers then?

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Took the chiron bow and I got 2 +90% flourish from chiron and the +4 special shot hammer. Holy crap.

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 AM

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From chaos?

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Yes chaos my b

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Pretty sure if you have no hammers anvil doesnt show up

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Since it needs a hammer from you

barren otter Oct 22, 2020, 9:19 AM

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if you have no hammers, the anvil can show up, but you won't be able to buy it.

willow fossil Oct 22, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Ah

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Interesting

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Even more of a waste lol

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Of a shop slot

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Went into a trial with benefits package early in Tartarus

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I had Zeus calls + speeded up Witches

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squirtmeh

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:25 AM

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How does piercing volley interact with chiron bow?

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Excellently

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That's how

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Do the volleys pierce and then keep homing?

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Yes

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Oh

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Which in many cases means backstabs

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I regret doing a Sisyphus meme run now

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Gotta level the keepsake anyway

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Zag: "wait did I win?"

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My thoughts exactly

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Excalibur shackle is fun early on

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:32 AM

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I already had it maxed I just wanted to meme with it and not take any attack/special/cast boons the whole run

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Well

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I guess I beat Charon

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Didn't expect to

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Was going to throw the run

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Charon is a fun fight

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Do it every time

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:33 AM

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"Fun"

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Yeah sure

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I mean expect his big oar strike

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Otherwise yeah but that attack has so little leadup

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:34 AM

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He has to run up to you to do it

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Or adjust his position

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Or if you just happen to get in range while dodging the projectiles

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He can do it instantly

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Yeah the tell is like less than half a second that con be rough

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Those are especially easy to dodge if you just kinda work around a corner or trace the box

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Yeah the skulls are the easy part

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:35 AM

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They come in such a way you can dash through only one at a time that way

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:35 AM

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The hardest dodge is the wave attack imo. easy to get sniped by it while its bouncing around the arena

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Except when you accidentally get in range and he boat smacks you

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With that upper arm strength of his as Hypnos puts it

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See also why Poseidon is both among the best and worst trials

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If you pay attention his wave is easy to ignore

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If you don't then once you notice it hitting you you're already dead

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10 10 10 10 10...

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Also keep in mind the boat smack doesnt go behind him. I get thats the goal for most fights anyway but its good to keep in mind your positioning

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I just used blitz disc

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And focused on dodging

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He stands around a lot

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:37 AM

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That he does

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I wish the shield didn't have that little gap between pressing attack and the shield coming out

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I just want to get to the point I can kill him in <100hp in tartarus

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:38 AM

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If there were another hidden aspect I'd want it to have instant shield and parry mechanics

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Would be a lot of fun

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:38 AM

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So I always slam my face against the boss

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Like, your attack is gimped but the shield comes out instantly to block attacks

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And if you attack/special/cast within like 0.5-1s then it has an insane damage multiplier

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Like 4x-5x

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Parry build would be a lot of fun and not super unbalanced I think

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Imagining it with aphro cast

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ding BOOM

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I do wish the Titan blood being fed to weapons (and all the weirdness attributed to that process) led to something

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Like being able to fight Titan bosses or such

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Honestly while Hades gets a 9 or 9.5/10 for me so far the lack of more bosses is the biggest area for improvement I see

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Perhaps not more variation in the default bosses (would mess with balance too much) but some opt in bosses along the way (which may or may not benefit your run) would be amazing.

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I'm not sure what bosses they could even add that would fit with the specific narrative they've gone with tbh

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I think Titans are the only ones that would make much sense

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Or some projection of them

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As being related to the weapons and happening to be trapped in Tartarus

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Or have them be something like Erebus gates but offer Titan boons as rewards

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That way you could pick some Titans which correspond to the Olympian boon providers to some extent

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:47 AM

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that sounds like a metric tonne of work

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Yeah I mean as carefully balanced as things are honesty any major change would be a lot of work rebalancing

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So I'm not holding my breath for any major changes or additions

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But I would love some more bosses to fight

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Well, at this point of the game any attempt of a DLC is a metric ton of work

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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I'm not even talking about the balancing, just the implementation alone would be a metric tonne of work

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Yeah, the difficulty of the DLC is much higher than it would be for most games

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Unless it's an entirely distinct campaign/run

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Because otherwise you have to consider how it interacts with everything else

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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All the manually drawn assets and such... brrr

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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then all the aninations frame by frame

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:48 AM

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But perhaps a weird (like Styx) area you can run with a Titan boss could work of something

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I mean they 3D designed* the characters, it's not entirely as hand drawn as it looks (though still mostly)

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There's a making of video of it

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But it's still a lot of work

orchid viper Oct 22, 2020, 9:49 AM

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i was kinda thinking abt something similar, it would be super cool if the olympians had more to do storywise and it would be cool to have a few more minibosses/npcs like maybe orion or arachne that trigger at least a little arc w artemis or athena respectively, kinda along the lines of the orpheus/dio thing

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obv mostly wishful thinking but

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:50 AM

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My ideal extension would be to add Titan Gates a la Erebus Gates

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Which let you fight one of say 6-8 Titans and get a special boon as a reward

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But

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Have them be much easier of harder for certain builds

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So you have to weigh if the benefits are even worth it, or if you're even capable of trying it

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You could even then work in Hesiod a bit and have certain titans be easier with the weapons that worked against them (though that's limited and you'd have to interpolate most of them)

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But they're canonically already there in Tartarus

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And they're not going anywhere.

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So it would be relatively easy in terms of affecting plot and dialogue

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:53 AM

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that sounds great in theory, my only worry is how would that be tied into the story, the titans are long dead how would you even be able to fight them

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Perhaps have them unlock at the contractor only when you've maxed a weapon each with Titan blood

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They're not dead.

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They're just locked up in Tartarus.

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Zagreus also acknowledges this when you look out into Tartarus from the prep room

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I mean, what if the Heracles gag actually had a boss fight payoff

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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i think the only thing to be added should be perhaps an endless mode, where in each room a random heat would be added and every 10 chambers be a boss

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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"scattered among Tartarus" I believe is the line used

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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There's a couple

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The one I recall is how he says they can't get out but he can

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Nyx is still alive, shes a titan for one

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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But in the myths that's what happens to them

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Nyx is primordial

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Oh my b

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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She's one level up from the Titans in terms of grouping

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Yuh youre right

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:55 AM

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this really should move to #h1-story-discussion since we've veered off the main topic of this channel klinkLUL

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:55 AM

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In any case that would I think be the minimally change effecting way to add more bosses in DLC

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Yeah that's true

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 9:56 AM

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#h1-discussion really since its a discussion abt future content that may be added

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Heracles and the Nemean Lion as an alternate of Theseus and the Minotaur would also be fun :p

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But Heracles canonically went to Olympus

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So he wouldn't be in Elysium anyways

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:57 AM

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I don't think it's known what happened to Heracles in Hades

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:57 AM

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In Hades no

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But honestly Hades makes pretty minor changes overall

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It's pretty damn in line with what we have as source material

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Like, yes, Persephone's father is mortal and not Zeus

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But that's also just one version where both exist

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:57 AM

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it is, avoiding the probalamtic parts too (which I'm all for)

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Except that two or your romance options you totally thought were your siblings beforehand

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The furies also came from Nyx...

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As did most of the Cthonian monsters in the myths

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If not from Nyx then from Erebus or Echidna

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So grandchildren rather than children

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Incest is forbidden unless it's in the romance options residentzag

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 9:59 AM

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except it's not in the romantic options at all

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in mythos sure, but definitely not in Hades

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Up until the events of the game Zagreus and Thanatos thought each other direct siblings

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And while it isn't stated for Meg that's somewhat vaguely implied

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Or at least they acted like it

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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It is? But they were implied to be dating before the events of the game I thought

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Given that they knew about the Queen it's ambiguous

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Meg and Zag are heavily implied to be former lovers

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Weren't you moving channels? dusa

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Yeah I was like

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 10:01 AM

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@brisk trench yea

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But the Greek god family tree has always looked like a bunch of overlapping rectangles

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 10:02 AM

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explosive shot rama is actually hilarious

tranquil violet Oct 22, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Oh?

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attempts to help pivot topic

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I haven't quite gotten Rama yet

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I feel like it should be good but I'm using/building it wrong

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 10:03 AM

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i chonked Asterius so hard it blew up the chariot in just a few shots

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through the shared damage

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i don't really know what else is good on its special other than hangover though

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or at least half as good, the hangover being shared and spread around so quickly would be hard to compete with

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I noticed Asterius still takes damage in the cutscene that plays after the miniboss fight ends. Would it be possible to form a build that lowers his health to death, or at least near death in the event the devs make him invuln at 1 hp

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Yep.

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Somebody clipped that in Early Access.

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Do you have the clip by chance?

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Or know where to find it

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 10:13 AM

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I don't, I'm afraid.

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Ah yes, I see, seeing asterius die during the miniboss fight would strike unending fear into me as well. I understand

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luuuul

steady hatch Oct 22, 2020, 10:26 AM

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@brisk trench https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/exzme8/i_managed_to_kill_asterius_mid_cutscene_due_to/

r/HadesTheGame - I managed to kill Asterius mid cutscene due to dot...

529 votes and 35 comments so far on Reddit

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Thanks @steady hatch

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 10:29 AM

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Arigatou.

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 10:30 AM

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sucks that due to how the game was programmed, u'll still see him in the final boss room

brisk trench Oct 22, 2020, 10:31 AM

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If only he had a voice line or something to recognize he got merc'd

lethal chasm Oct 22, 2020, 10:40 AM

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anyone got favored hades spear builds

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 10:56 AM

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athena attack with quick spin

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thats it

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 11:09 AM

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tail goes serrated point a lot and art atk and dash

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i also like exploding launcher kekw

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Is Zeus attack the best for fists and gun (especially Lucifer)? If not, who’s better?

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Lucy

near zealot Oct 22, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Demeter attack + Demeter casts. Become one with the meme beam

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:45 AM

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I actually like the bean, otherwise I’ll often forget to caddy except to load my Crystal into the enemy for extra dps

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Though zeus shield zeus run is also great if you get the double strike hammer

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Though zeus shield zeus run is also great if you get the double strike hammer
@wet rivet I more meant that on those weapons, which god should I force?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Curse of Agony has the best DPS on Malphon.

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:46 AM

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But I agree, Zeus shield with Zeus is legit

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Is that stacking doom?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:46 AM

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No, that's just his Attack boon.

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Or you messin

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:47 AM

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I'm not messing with you lol.

weak garnet Oct 22, 2020, 11:47 AM

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What? But it doesn’t stack!

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:47 AM

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Doesn't need to.

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:49 AM

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What do you go on special?

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:49 AM

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On Special for what?

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Athena for deflect or aphro raw dmg?

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I assume you mean dem aspect

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Athena because ME

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Divine Flourish to unlock Merciful End, yeah.

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Yea that's what I was thinking

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Then Divine Dash.

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Always divine dash cause reasons

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Unless it's a splash run

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I feel naked without Athenas dash

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ACOSP_csadcowboycheeto

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 11:52 AM

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thunder flourish on rama special was much better than i was expecting given its lackluster performance on the other bows

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pretty much paced perfectly to not worry about the strike cooldown

untold vortex Oct 22, 2020, 11:54 AM

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The 0.2 second single target internal cooldown on Thunder Flourish is much less of an issue on it than for instance Chiron

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 11:55 AM

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it's also just a much more safe special to use in terms of how fast it executes

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just doesn't benefit much at all from % bonuses and won't have the huge burst damage of a chiron volley

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 11:56 AM

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Zeus shield pops it asap when it's up nice

lethal chasm Oct 22, 2020, 11:57 AM

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thunder rama got me 19min lol

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so ez

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 11:57 AM

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definitely very fast at clearing rooms compared to doom or hangover on the special

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 11:58 AM

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so, is that the best way to use rama, just pick thunder flourish and spam special?

mellow quest Oct 22, 2020, 11:58 AM

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nah, hangover is also really strong on it

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ping with special twice then start chonking

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the attack is still where the majority of your damage potential is

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:17 PM

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starting to get the hang of 20 heat

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turned up to fo2 again

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lc1 too but ive swapped to stubborn

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dunno if ill ever do em4

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boss is just so long

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and the adds make me wanna cry

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:19 PM

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I find first phase more annoying than second cause of the ads lol

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Does he summon additional in 3?

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:19 PM

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no

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:19 PM

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thankfully no

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:19 PM

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but he summons minibosses on em4 kekw

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:20 PM

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NICE

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Really fun with MM I imagine

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:20 PM

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the em4 adds are vastly more annoying than base

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mostly because of health

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and they have the vanish that the big boy has too

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:21 PM

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shadeohboy

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:21 PM

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so they can just randomly go invulnerable and pop up anywhere

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invulnerable and invisible

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Sounds like it eats hecka time

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:21 PM

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they dont have mm buffs except the dusa head

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:21 PM

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ive seen doomstone, megadusa, sneak

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i think the mega stone head or whatever his name is

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Huh weird
Kinda sad that mm doesn't interact

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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the other half of power couple

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Guess it's for the better

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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stomp

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Sneak sounds annoying
Can only imagine witches or tartarus diamond guy

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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but yeah between the fact that they have standard health and their ability to vanish they last way longer than base adds

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which is why they make me cry

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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he doesn’t do witches

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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oh yeah, the butterfly too

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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also doomstone eats your acorn

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:22 PM

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I mean
I'd imagine mini bosses lasting longer than normal ads lol

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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like nothing

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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butter ball kekw

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Butterfly with exalted?

robust anchor Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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no

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just the ball

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Bless

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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base adds arent too bad because you can kill them pretty easily and quickly between hades vanishes

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Alone he's not so bad imo

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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em4 adds suck

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Well I'm excited

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Still have to activate EM3
I don't like theseus go brrrrrr

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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well to put it simply i swapped out em4 with fo2

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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But heard he's ezer

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Sound like a nice deal

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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fo2 hades i can beat within one stubborn defiance

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em4 i havent beaten yet

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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i would rather do EM4 than FO2

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Honestly I'm kinda really like em and mm
Really freshens the game up

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:24 PM

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also his moveset changes and he spends a lot more time going around

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hes got achilles spear

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:25 PM

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No why hades not go spin

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:25 PM

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he'll spin twice if you near him

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:25 PM

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yeah he spins a lot too

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but the most noticeable moveset change was achilles spear

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which makes his mobility a lot more

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harder to output damage (for me anyway)

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:27 PM

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and he sometime mix the attack, right. like slash twice, then achilles spear, than slash twice again

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 12:27 PM

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also i think his casts slow when youre around them?

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i mean just the achilles spear alone gives him an easy escape from a lot of situations

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although it is telegraphed

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but im also like, bad

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so im mad

honest edge Oct 22, 2020, 12:29 PM

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the achilles spear always threw me off guard. when i thought i save from his spin attack, he threw his spear instead, and then disappear

winged grove Oct 22, 2020, 12:53 PM

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how you all deal with EM4 fist run? dusa I sincerely can't nailed a build that just wreck final boss

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so far abusing merciful end with athena dash seems way to go

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Demeter fists with winter harvest lol

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:18 PM

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EM4 with melee is a real problem, yeah.

winged grove Oct 22, 2020, 1:22 PM

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yeh

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most combination doesn't really work, only work around for me was just to git gud at dodging

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final boss fight went on for too long lol

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Breaching Cross helps immensely to control the summons

void fjord Oct 22, 2020, 1:27 PM

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reflex dash is highly suggested on fists

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its really the only time most ppl take it

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:33 PM

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thanthink

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Reflex dash? You mean Greatest Reflexes? The best boon in the game bar none, including Divine Dash?

unkempt pagoda Oct 22, 2020, 1:34 PM

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volfredthink

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:34 PM

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(It's second, I'm not a complete heretic I swear)

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:34 PM

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i think they mean ruthless reflex

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although i'm still not sure i understand their point

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unless they're talking about gilg?

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I feel like of every encounter in the game, including Asterius bull charging at my face, I want more dashes against EM4 Dad lol, especially if I'm melee. So yeah, probably Gilgamesh

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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I'd want more dashes on Gilgamesh.

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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what's even the point of gilg if you don't have 8 dashes tbh

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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Basically

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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4 dashes is better than 3.

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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@cunning urchin I also would want more dashes but I could at least see someone making an argument that makes sense for Ruthless in EM4

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:36 PM

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5 dashes is better than 4.

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Zag Aspect with Ruthless Reflex makes a bit of sense.

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Zag Aspect benefits way more from +50% Dodge than any other aspect except Excalibur.

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:39 PM

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I can't remember, has someone put to rest how dodge stacks, and if bosses actually do have a dodge cap?

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 1:40 PM

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no one did up to my knowledge

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Even multiplicative, it's great.

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I'm very close to that but watching and documenting an hour of footage? Eugh

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Watching my own replays is a mixed bag of emotions. Flitting from "wow, I'm surprisingly competent" to "how did the game allow me to reach a victory state"

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:44 PM

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nah they meant lightning reflexes

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pog

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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For me it's "Wow, I'm amazing" to "Wow, I'm amazing."

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Somewhere inbetween those two.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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humble as ever

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i dont even know how to watch replays

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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For me it's "wow, this game really went easy on me" to "wow, i actually did smth right"

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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do you record your runs

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I record all of them rn, one by one

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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oh that explains it im pretty sure my com would catch on fire if i even thought of putting obs on it

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wait hang on gtg emergency my laptop is on fire

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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i have two separate skill levels at this game, one is passably decent and the other is somehow worse than what i was doing when i first started

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i am in a constant state of quantum flux between the two

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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It's not an emergency if the laptop isn't good.

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squirtnya

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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its my only one and i dont plan on upgrading for a year or more

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even though its like i think legit 8 years old at this point

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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You should, like, get somebody to buy you a new laptop or something. squirtnya

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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honestly the fact that i can play hades on it is pretty great in its own right

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Sometimes I have a bad habit stopping my tryharding at inopportune moments. E.g. EM3, when Theseus is by himself and I have to get rid of last milkshake levels of health through his shield, sometimes my brain just shuts off and I get hit by like 3 spins and a God AoE for literally no reason.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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oh i am its just that im serving compulsory national service at the moment (singapore) so im waiting for before i enter university before i upgrade

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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yeah when something in you subconscious goes "huzzah we won" early and shuts off your finger muscles

gleaming current Oct 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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oh that explains it im pretty sure my com would catch on fire if i even thought of putting obs on it
imagine using obs when shadowplay exists. smhmh

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:49 PM

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my computer slows down when i do a demeter call

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:49 PM

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that means your computer is a mob

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kill it

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:49 PM

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oh true

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i dunno how many times ive been hit by just getting run over by theseus because i got overconfident when bull was dead

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instead of just hanging back

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pretty sure ive legit died by that once

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I play very stupid with Beowulf when I have two dashes.

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Shield and stupid goes hand in hand, that's why it's so fun

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:50 PM

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by overconfidence i mean going full aggro with fists/sword and dashing right in front of him

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:50 PM

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I've legit died to solo shield Theseus far more times than I've cared to admit

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i really feel like poseidon call shouldnt be blockable

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but here we ae

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are

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therefore we can conclude that artemis call is better than poseidons

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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theseus feeds on my confidence

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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And I really feel like you shouldn't be able to block Lightning, since it's lightning but here we are

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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its a rubber shield ledger

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i only fight well against him when i'm terrified

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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A rubber shield ledger?

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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does athena's trial cause deflect or is it just invulnerable

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Invulnerable

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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yeah all of hades' best clerks are equipped with them

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Holy cow deflect would be hilarious though lol

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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hm just wondering

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yeah it would be hilarious

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i feel like ares' trial always screw me

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i consider it the hardest

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Athena just smiting some fools, "How does Divine Dash taste, trash?"

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I find Aphro and Poseidon the most annoying, and Dio's the most embarrassing but inevitable to die on.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:53 PM

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yeah dio causes some real embarrassing damage

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ive lost a dd in tartarus to it because i didnt notice

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i find demeter's to be pretty annoying too

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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there's something about aphro's trial which makes me forget i'm in a trial and just ignore the heart thing unless it hits me

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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poseidon isnt too bad for me but aphro always seems to be in just the right spot

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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idk why but i keep doing this

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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That one depends on aspect. If I'm melee I will always pick Demeter first lol

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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but ares is always a first pick for me

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 1:54 PM

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aphro trial annoys me bc the heart keeps spawning on top of me >_<

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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theres a 3 second warning before it spawns

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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yeah

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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its got twinkles and stuff

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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do i pay attention to the warning? no

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no i don't

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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just keep an eye out for that next time

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Idk, I find Ares to be the easiest of all of them?

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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same

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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something about the hitboxes on that one just messes with me

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zeus is probably the one i think is the easiest since theres no moving parts

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Athena just smiting some fools, "How does Divine Dash taste, trash?"
I think you're confounding Lady Athena and Lady Alecto.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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yeah athena calls people fools instead of trash

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goddess of wisdom and all that

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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its so easy to get those two confused

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they're basically sisters

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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It is, really. They both... exist. It's hard.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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shes also the goddess of art thieves because she pays people with exposure

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Goddess of Unpaid Internships

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:57 PM

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no thats going under completely different roguelike

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but yeah ares' hitboxes on his trial just completely mindfloods me and i take so much damage

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i drop like 50 iq when i see red circles on screen

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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idk that's me with aphro trial tbh

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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i always feel like i'm going to take a pile of damage from them, then don't somehow

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but yeah that's aphro for me instead lol

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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I have lost count to the number of times I've justified going for "one more attack" with an Aphro heart hot on my tail.

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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actually speaking of exposure

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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i see the heart spawn and im just like

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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hell how to build high heat chaos shield

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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please don't hit me

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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lightning probably

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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for the longest time i kept thinking expose was the req for legendary isntead of riposte

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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there seems to be conflicting opinions between zeus, ares and dio

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Thunder, Doom, Hangover, the usual

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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^

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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how to build high heat chaos shield: first, revert hades to the long winter update

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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well, that's a legit plan

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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chaos shield is fine now, just turn off TD and take a billion years for each room

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ezpz

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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I am no coward. TD stays on.

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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@worn prism I hope you get hit every time in Lady Aphrodite's trial. squirtnya

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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i keep getting reminded i only started playing at v1.0 lol

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gee thanks

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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@red mist Here's some runs I did some number of week(s) ago:

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/505164873328754688/766914126391148565

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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for me in aphrodite's trial i always think i can dash through it

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:01 PM

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40/43

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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narrator voice: he could not dash through it

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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That's what you get for not choosing her first. 🔫 dusa

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Dem trial is the worst

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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oh i always choose her first unless ares is on the other side

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or demeter

wet rivet Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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The blizzard is so damn annoying

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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dem is annoying too ngl

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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what mirror for chaos shield?

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:02 PM

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i usually choose based on who's boon i want more

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which is probably a poor strat, but i want instant satisfaction

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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FF, God's Legacy

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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what mirror for chaos shield?
@red mist priv status?

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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ares > demeter = aphrodite > poseidon = dionysus = artemis > zeus = athena

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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PS is terrible on Lightning builds, especially since Chaos cannot reapply Jolted that quickly

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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cold fusion baybee!

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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yeah i used to mess around a lot hunting for cold fusion, but its not really worth it probably

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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It's not. I'd much much rather than doom on my attack

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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it really isnt but when it comes together thooo

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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It's worth it once you get Cold Fusion but now you have a poopoo Frost Strike until and if you don't get it

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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yeah the dream is sell frost strike after and get something good

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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thats why you take demeter call 😈

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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how often does that work out? rarely

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but honestly i agree with you these days; doom better

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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going for cold fusion in a run is very like going for cold fusion irl

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always right around the corner

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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I'd like to turn the heat down a bit while working on shield

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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then turn it down

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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That's generally adviseable

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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no ones gonna judge

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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idk what to give myself though heh

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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i usually just go em3 and nothing else

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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What's your comfort zone heat

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:06 PM

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whatever you're comfy with

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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do RI4 EM4

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that's only 18, ezpz

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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that's probably harder than my 30 :I

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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my comfort zone heat? something in the 60s zone i think

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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yeah no jks don't do that 😛

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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my 40 heat run had the stubborn defiance package

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and I'd like to continue practicing on that

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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i really appreciate stubborn defiance after turning fo and bp back on

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lmao

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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I also want to practice FO2

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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You'll find that at low heat is an excellent time to practice LC4, especially if you have HL0

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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and MM

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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-4 heat matters a lot when there aren't many pacts on the table lol

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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i always underestimate SD

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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LC4 is my new FO2

worn prism Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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but it looks really useful at high heat (im only @10 btw)

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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when I was a newb I threw two runs on SD

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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i thought it would be pure pain, but its actually kinda fun

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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sd just takes off a lot of mental overhead when mobs are as much danger as bosses because of bp and fo

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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What's your comfort zone heat

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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my comfort zone heat is 0

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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People keep mentioning that it's only good at high heat, but that's kind of disingenuous. It's always good, it's just a different playstyle

red mist Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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okay I'll just turn off HL and go

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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but comfort zones are for cowards

rare kayak Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i feel like what turned me off to sd was the 30%

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rather than the 1 stock

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i got it up to 100% once

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it was glorious

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then i died

cunning urchin Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Indeed, so y'all should do 33+ to not be cowards.

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i do

primal hazel Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Hey guys
What'd you recommend for nemesis

half crater Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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i only play at 40 now

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rip winning

hearty elbow Oct 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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For non-sword, 32 is my comfort zone too