h1-builds-and-combat

[still vigil]

guan yu

[gilded nymph]

[opal lodge]

@rugged wave you can parry with regular attack

[mighty ermine]

gonna call it FFB just to mess with people

[wanton cargo]

guan yu

@gilded nymph nice name

[rugged wave]

they had speed buff and the tripple shot buffs

[opal lodge]

ffb... family favorite ???

oof

[rugged wave]

plus athena was shielding them

[gilded nymph]

yeah so would it be better to go for the mirror option for duo boons with chiron bow? I feel like its so weak without heart rend

[opal lodge]

double oof

[mighty ermine]

frost fair blade come on

[gilded nymph]

@wanton cargo are you a fellow matthew?

[mighty ermine]

work with me here

[still vigil]

what's that?

[wanton cargo]

i'm more of a matt @gilded nymph

[rugged wave]

and I was running max jury summons

[mighty ermine]

the actual weapon name of guan yu's aspect lol

[gilded nymph]

I'm fine with either

ayy

[rugged wave]

I was like wtf do I do here

[spice vine]

do chaos attack up boons stack

[opal lodge]

additive

[still vigil]

ahh the spear that's....yeaa...

[opal lodge]

@mighty ermine i cant believe you cleared 55 heat with CS

celestial sharanga

[rugged wave]

dude rama takes so long to get going so thats impressive

[still vigil]

i bet they used exodia

[mighty ermine]

it's surprisingly strong even at the start; it just takes constant shared suffering application and power shots on things you want to kill quickly

[still vigil]

oh yeaa

i just wished i had more time to pop off the power shot

[opal lodge]

the charge time for a point blank one is actually not as bad as people make it out to be

[wanton cargo]

me: no casts, literally no cast mods. Hermes: RETURN BLOOD STONE FOR FREE

[opal lodge]

i feel like with rama ive just learned to take what i can get and not sit in place for a perfect charged shot

[mighty ermine]

it can take some adjustment, but rama power shots are super doable even on FO2

[rugged wave]

ik but I still feel like compared of all the weapons you can use

[mighty ermine]

but being able to ditch it if you're in danger is always valuable

[rugged wave]

its the hardest to get going

really maybe my positioning is just bad

im always just dash shooting as fast possible

[mighty ermine]

yeah, you want to deliberately space yourself so the power shots can happen with relative safety

[opal lodge]

do you have the vod of your 55 heat run for edumacation purposes

[mighty ermine]

for sure, lemme grab the link

[shut moth]

i have gotten conflicting answers on this so im gonna ask again

[mighty ermine]

#self-promotion message

[gilded nymph]

is god's legacy ever > god's pride?

[shut moth]

Does sweet nectar affect the Pom Blossom?

[gilded nymph]

nope

sadly

[rugged wave]

I dont think so

[shut moth]

okay

so many people said yes

and i was pretty sure it didn't

[gilded nymph]

I got disappointed by that interaction yesterday

[still vigil]

oof

[rugged wave]

gods legacy is necessary for duo builds

[opal lodge]

no it does not

[still vigil]

i dun ever feel that 10%

like ever

[opal lodge]

idk i feel like it's substantial for me

and even if it's not

the difference between an epic vs common is way less than the difference between having duo vs not for me

[rugged wave]

really I almost always get it if I need a duo

[gilded nymph]

like I just did a chiron build and didn't get heart rend

it sucked

[opal lodge]

at least if a build is trying to do something specifically

[rugged wave]

the only time it failed was when I was trying to do hunting blades yesterday

[opal lodge]

like if im gonna run ME it's not gonna make a difference whether i have epic curse of agony or not 🤷‍♂️

[gilded nymph]

I started with artemis keepsake and swapped to aphro in asphodel

and no duo

[opal lodge]

sad

[rugged wave]

idk maybe im just lucky when it comes to duos

[gilded nymph]

beat hades with 21 seconds left

it was so hard to clear rooms

when I don't get a duo, I feel it so much

[rugged wave]

I also get the aphro charm pretty reguarly

with gods legacy

[opal lodge]

i dont do it for legendaries that much tbh

[gilded nymph]

is aspect of luci any good?

I've never tried it

[rugged wave]

I like lucy

[opal lodge]

not really but i enjoy using it anyway

[gilded nymph]

yeah that's not many legendaries I like

[opal lodge]

i like the zeus legendary for rail

[gilded nymph]

aphro and pos are useless to me

[rugged wave]

aphro is my fav

[opal lodge]

and artemis of course for cast builds

[still vigil]

now that i think about it

[opal lodge]

aphro legendary can stun lock bosses basically

[still vigil]

i generally dun aim fer duos or legendaries

[gilded nymph]

artemis leg is nuts for cast builds, problem is I don't really spec into artemis when I go cast builds

[still vigil]

except aphro

[gilded nymph]

normally its dio + aphro

[opal lodge]

really

my route for cast builds is almost always

[rugged wave]

aphro makes hades just stop all the time

[opal lodge]

whatever cast + poseidon + artemis

[gilded nymph]

why pos?

[opal lodge]

poseidon?

[gilded nymph]

yeah

[opal lodge]

to get mirage shot

[rugged wave]

duo cast builds so much fun though

also merciful end

[gilded nymph]

I've never tried mirage shot

does it work with hera?

[rugged wave]

yeah

[opal lodge]

i got heart rend, mirage shot, parting shot, and fully loaded on a cast build once

yeah

[still vigil]

slashing fast and dodging/deflecting things 80-90% is fun too

[gilded nymph]

i got heart rend, mirage shot, parting shot, and fully loaded on a cast build once
@opal lodge SHEEEEESH

[opal lodge]

current speedrun meta is hera with mirage shot poseidon cast

for bow

[gilded nymph]

pos cast?

I'll try that

only time I use pos is with GY special lol

[opal lodge]

poseidon cast isn't bad for room clear potential

[rugged wave]

I tried blizzard shot on hera the other day such a bad build

[opal lodge]

also can do BIG damage to bosses

yeah thats not it haha

[rugged wave]

Never got it before and I was doing hera so I said why not

lets see

made the run so much harder

[gilded nymph]

can you describe the full build macadamia?

sounds fun

[opal lodge]

for which one?

i usually like athena cast for ez parting shot or poseidon cast for mirage shot

[rugged wave]

hera parting shot so good

[opal lodge]

after that just get the other two gods to fill your 4 slots or whatever else you want

sometimes getting all 4 spreads you too thin

i got super lucky that run

but usually i pick one or the other

[rugged wave]

haha ok im doing zeus for the first time and charged shot is pretty great

just pushing them into the special

Do I need anything specific for a zeus build? other than zeus on the special

[opal lodge]

aspect of zeus?

oh boy

merciful end nonsense on that

curse of pain, divine strike

just keep pushing them and they continuously take doom

[still vigil]

that's a thing too

[mossy light]

woo, another lightning rod run.

[still vigil]

so on aspect of zeus

what does special spd increase actually increase?

[mossy light]

?

[opal lodge]

like the speed of the brring or the velocity of the shield you mean

im curious about the answer too

[mossy light]

im pretty sure it just affects the animation?

it probably doesnt affect the tick time

like its for people that shotgun spam with the bow

[worn crypt]

If I have acorn keepsake and Athena's divine deflection vs a boss, which one will trigger first?

[still vigil]

like its for people that shotgun spam with the bow
@mossy light huh?

[gilded nymph]

nooo

[mossy light]

dunno, probably deflection

[gilded nymph]

damit I forgot to press escape

went to get pizza and timer ran out

[opal lodge]

pain

[gilded nymph]

I even got a purple cast poseidon boon to start

rip

[mossy light]

@still vigil i assume it speeds up your animation when you mash the special button. it doesnt affect how fast your zeus shield tick damage occurs

[opal lodge]

ok but does it increase the speed at which the shield travels?

[mossy light]

probably not, and why would it help?

it travels a bit and stops

[opal lodge]

i like it to get where its goin a lil faster thats all

[still vigil]

i like the idea of using explosive return faster

[opal lodge]

explosive return zeus shield is memes

i literally just stood in place and pressed special

[still vigil]

it's glorious

like 80 base damage is nuts

[mossy light]

huhhhhhhm

[north panther]

What's the "tick" time for Ares' blades BTW?

Its the only thing that doesn't mention the intervals

[stark ore]

I believe it's every 0.1 seconds according to the wiki

[north panther]

The damage given is per 0.1 seconds, or is it per second but its divded into increments of 0.1?

Nvm I just looked it up because you reminded me there's a wiki

[left ridge]

Any tips for using guan Yu? I keep dying prematurely

I try to get as many hearts to compensate for my low health, is that the right thing to do?

[opal lodge]

no just try to dodge most nonboss mobs

maintain a decent distance

your special goes insanely far and the hitbox is like 4 logs wide

its nuts

for bosses past asphodel i like to use the acorn

[left ridge]

So I just rely on my special?

[opal lodge]

thats what i like to do

im sure i'll trigger some spinners with that statement

ive heard divine strike is a good investment but for me personally i just do athena dash + aphro flourish

then level the hell out of my special

[left ridge]

How many successful runs you had so far using the Kung Fu stick?

[opal lodge]

good question

no idea

im nearing 250 runs so ive stopped keeping track

[left ridge]

I think I'd remember something as risky as using guan yu

[opal lodge]

eh

feels terrible with forced overtime on for me but otherwise it's ok

i know theres some chad gamers out there who use GY and high confidence

[still vigil]

if ya think about it if yer not takin health increases and usin gy/high confidence ya really do have high confidence

[left ridge]

I'd always do the spinning thing since the game emphasize that it's it's main thing. Guess that move should be seldom use

[opal lodge]

quick spin could be good for that

just so you're vulnerable for less time

[stark ore]

Divine Strike basically turns the spin into a deflecting projectile right? If not then Deadly Strike is also a very good pick

[opal lodge]

indeed

it does

[stark ore]

Charged Skewer and Heartbreak Flourish is also very potent, and lets you easily get over 300 damage per skewer

[opal lodge]

deflects anything it touches

heartbreak flourish?

but yeah charged skewer is the main hammer you're looking for if you want to run a GY special build

that and breaching skewer

[left ridge]

I'm not proficient enough to fight with less than 80 health. Should I prioritize in health or Powaaa?

[opal lodge]

you could always come back to it when you feel good at dodging

thats what i did

[left ridge]

Well aspect Hades for now it seems hahaha

[opal lodge]

lol

why not achilles

[left ridge]

I have same problem using the cursed sword of stygius. Should I just rely on speed to replenish my health quicker?

[opal lodge]

not a critique just curious

[left ridge]

Well aesthetic purpose really. Achilles just looks too gaudy

[mighty ermine]

hades has the benefit of not having to rely on numbered charges, also

[left ridge]

Not that I hate using it

[pseudo iron]

hera aspect+ares cast

[opal lodge]

i just got vengeful mood in chamber 10 we're goin all the way

[stark ore]

Always wondered what happened if you took revenge dook + dire misfortune + impending doom then facetanked those laser crystals

[opal lodge]

i think it triggers in a radius

it doesnt hit whatever enemy hits you

[stark ore]

I mean if you're facetanking then it's probably still gonna do insane doom damage

Those lasers do quick but incredibly small damage so wondering how a stackable revenge doom build would fare against them

[opal lodge]

there was that one guy who beat hades without moving

[left ridge]

What build did he had?

[robust anchor]

search on youtube

haelian afk hades

[opal lodge]

oh i didnt know haelian did one too

thats funny

[stark ore]

Whole fight consisted of him just praying for Holy Shield to activate at the right time lmao

[mossy light]

man, watching legendary demeter trigger on bosskills is

[tranquil violet]

I basically never use spin when I play Guan Yu

Except to top up on health at the end of a room when I screwed up and actually got hit

But that's about it

[mossy light]

its only good as an offensive option with quickspin

[tranquil violet]

The key thing about GY to understand is that the special is AoE and piercing.

And the hitbox is way bigger than it looks.

If you use Poseidon special it becomes obvious in the way it grabs enemies it seems to be passing by.

[turbid needle]

Revenge effects are so bad but then so good with the duo

Wish I could fit them into more builds but I always forget about zeus

[mossy light]

is it piercing or does it sometimes go behind shields

is that ares/zeus duo good?

[royal helm]

has it ever been made clear why the Zag bow crits for 3x rather than 2x?

[stark ore]

Isn't all crit damage 3x though?

[royal helm]

Could be? I just assumed it was 2x

The base value of critical damage bonus is +200%. Other possible sources of critical damage bonus are:

    Clean Kill: +15% / +22% / +30% / +37%
    Heart Rend, the Duo boon from Artemis/Aphrodite: +50%``` Ah yea... weird
From the wiki

[stark ore]

A critical attack will deal at least 300% damage to an enemy, but can be further increased by other effects

Yeah it's x3

[toxic wolf]

oof EM4 tearing me a new one on my poseidon aspect cast builds

[opal lodge]

@turbid needle i normally dont try to go for vengeful mood because its so much effort to make it good

but

sometimes when i go for merciful end the game ends up giving me lots of zeus boons

on this run i just got it on room 10 so

[turbid needle]

Yeah exactly

[viscid pawn]

How well does Crit and rapid fire weapons (Fists/Exa) play with each other?

[toxic wolf]

I made the mistake of grabbing a Chaos boon that left me blinded to room rewards for four runs on Asphodel and managed to go for the entire rest of the game without getting an Arty boon despite holding the keepsake lmao.

*four rooms

[turbid needle]

I get like 2 revenge things and I'm like this is the run then never see zeus

[viscid pawn]

I'm assuming lots of procs means big crit chances

[mossy light]

@viscid pawn think of crit as another % damage multiplier. in the long run, it all evens out

[toxic wolf]

@turbid needle I have absolutely no idea if there's any evidence for it working this way at all but I find zeus duos to work way better if I start with zeus rather than try to end by getting zeus

like take lightning ring on floor 1

[turbid needle]

Makes sense

[royal helm]

The base damages aren't great... you will be seeing a lot more crits, because the proc rates (Especially if you get Hunter's Mark)

[turbid needle]

But I will never plan a build around revenge

[royal helm]

But Exagryph's base dmg is 10... so 10->30 on a crit

If you get the rocket to crit 60->180 though

[toxic wolf]

I dunno Haelian managed to beat final boss entirely AFK with a revenge boon build

[turbid needle]

Yeah I prefer aphro attack or something on rapid weps

[toxic wolf]

that might've been a couple updates ago though can't remember

[royal helm]

The revenge build can do a lot of damage... doom and jolt are pretty powerful

[turbid needle]

I'm not saying it's bad Its just not really on my radar when build planning

[royal helm]

But it takes a lot of boons

[turbid needle]

I'm just pushing heat and ||romancing|| dusa so I'll find a fun build to help with that

Wait I should of done ||romance||ing

[opal lodge]

vengeful mood with one revenge boon is just so sad

[mossy light]

vengeful crit with the athena ping

[opal lodge]

i think ive had a wave of despair only vengeful mood before

whos is truly the one despairing

[mossy light]

tartarus unhealthy fixation

[opal lodge]

oop

https://i.imgur.com/ugGaFeI.png

i am in unbelievable amounts of pain

[stark ore]

:feelsbad:

At least you got Hermes

So yay?

[mossy light]

cant get any more?

[opal lodge]

did all 5 tunnels

:^)

[mossy light]

F

[opal lodge]

im gonna end it all

[stark ore]

Just use Sigil and steal the extra gold while Charon's not looking

smh

[opal lodge]

why are we here

just to suffer

[weary snow]

Hi, quick question regarding ||Theseus and Asterius||; they don't count as armored enemies, correct?

[viscid pawn]

No yellow on em

[opal lodge]

i mean

whats the functional difference

[weary snow]

I thought so, but I wanted to make sure.. no attack bonuses there for me then. \o/

[opal lodge]

not like you can really stun them

oh i guess that

yeah no

[spice vine]

Whats a good Chaos Shield build

[mossy light]

ill tell you when i get one

[half crater]

lightning flourish -> shoot for zeus legendary was the go to Chaos build pre 1.0

now? that build is still fine, and i’ve had a decent amount of success with it at 32 and below

[spice vine]

Whats lihgting flourish not good with names

[half crater]

but it’s not as good as it used to be, and i’m not sure if people have worked out if it’s still the “best” or if there’s something better

lightning flourish is the zeus special boon

[spice vine]

ahhh

I'm using Ares special atm

Feels nice

[half crater]

ares special is a pretty good second imo

[spice vine]

oh also

does rarirty really really matter or should I go for boons I want no matter rarirty

[half crater]

it’s probably comparable (maybe even better?) than zeus these days, tho i haven’t had the time to properly test it

i generally go for boons i want over rarer boons

but it depends how much i want them

[mossy light]

always rare

go rare and fix your build later

[stark ore]

In my case I only take a common boon if I got no other options or if it's Slicing Shot/Divine Dash

Even then I'm iffy about it

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Flourish on Chaos Aspect is still the best we know of. You'll want to get Jolted for boss fights, though.

But experimenting is always a good idea.

[half crater]

^

nyaanyaa knows better than me, for sure

[spice vine]

I see

thanks

[half crater]

yeah i used to ignore common boons, but these days i’m not sure if rarity is as big a deal as it seems

[cunning urchin]

Common is perfectly fine.

[opal lodge]

have a build in mind, know whats absolutely necessary and get those boons no matter rarity

boons that arent necessary i just pick based on rarity/usefulness

[cunning urchin]

@half crater what makes you think I would know better for sure? I've never been a Chaos Aspect player lol.

[half crater]

idk lol

you know the meta better than me tho

[spice vine]

Is there a good site for builds or anything

[stark ore]

Any boons work for chaos really, it's basically a shotgun that fires 6 projectiles so percentages and flat damage are likely equally good

Idk though, I'm not a Chaos player at all

[cunning urchin]

My build guide for base weapons is pinned in #h1-for-new-players. But it doesn't go into aspects.

[opal lodge]

i like privileged status and any two different statuses on attack/special

[half crater]

early on, chaos is so safe you kinda can just pick whatever you want and do okay, yeah

[opal lodge]

used to go for specific duos but it can be hard

[half crater]

but once you start pushing heat, chaos aspect’s low damage starts to be a problem and you need to be more selective

[spice vine]

Oh also for Chiron i've been doing Artemis and Athena is that good for ti?

[cunning urchin]

With Dark Foresight, God's Pride, and Fated Persuasion, you can get any specific Duo Boon you want practically every run.

[spice vine]

Whats dark foresight

I reconize the last two

[cunning urchin]

+20% gold laurel rewards.

[opal lodge]

usually people do aphro/artemis for chiron

but theres no set good thing

[spice vine]

oh I don't think i've seen dark foresight yet

[half crater]

athena is rarely a bad choice

[spice vine]

Also aphro on attack or special?

[half crater]

but man is aphro/artemis fun on chiron

aphro attack, arty special i believe

[cunning urchin]

Low Tolerance build on Chiron is faster than Heart Rend.

[opal lodge]

reallly

good to know

[spice vine]

What's low tolerance

[half crater]

huh

never tried that

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Drunken Flourish, and their Duo Boon.

[opal lodge]

im assuming the ammo buff works nice for that now

immediate 8 stacks

[cunning urchin]

Your Hangover effects stack even more times against Weak foes.
Bonus Hangover Stacks: 3
So you can get 8 stacks of Hangover.

[opal lodge]

yeah

[cunning urchin]

And the build lets you focus on Attack hammers.

[opal lodge]

i need to get used to thinking of chiron special more for effect than flat damage

or percent damage rather

[half crater]

it’s damage is still pretty good

but yeah honestly it’s baffling i’ve never actually tried dio on special

sounds fun

[cunning urchin]

You can read from here if you want to know some more details about how they compare. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[mossy light]

forced overtime and stupid achilles spear.

how do yall use achilles, that weapon is too bigbrain for me

[cunning urchin]

Also, for real run evidence, I was struggling with getting sub 12 with Heart Rend on Chiron and got it with Low Tolerance first try.

[opal lodge]

@mossy light cast build all day everyday

serrated edge is also nice ive heard

i wouldnt know i dont use my LMB when i play achilles 🤣

[stark ore]

haha hunting blades + achilles go wrrrrr

[half crater]

hunting blades achilles made me like spears again

[opal lodge]

hunting blades achilles

[cunning urchin]

Electric Shot on Achilles was a pretty easy 32 Heat for me. That's the go-to for speedruns, too.

[opal lodge]

electric shot yeah

poseidon mirage shot

any cast build setup is nice

[cunning urchin]

Haven't tried anything else on it, but Eletric Shot definitely works well.

[stark ore]

Achilles with casts like Demeter and Ares absolutely shreds bosses, and Zeus' cast clears biomes easily too

[mossy light]

i lost that achilles run to hades with fricking freezing blade cast, with demeter and aphrodite legendary

[half crater]

i also did ice wine achilles

worked out great

[opal lodge]

freezing blades is memes

wasted potential

[mossy light]

its... not as good as i remember

on the other hand, lightning rod is my new favorite duo boon

[stark ore]

Think I actually have a run where I managed to get Vicious Cycle and Hunting Blades

[cunning urchin]

Most important things when doing Cast builds are (1) take every Chaos Gate and reroll for +1 ammo or cast damage, (2) buy all +1 ammo or cast damage from Wells, and (3) put every pom you see on your Cast.

[mossy light]

vicious hunting blades is gas

[stark ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/723559673004949564/761771123498942464/image0.jpg Found it, this thing was nuts

[opal lodge]

all checks out to me

[half crater]

it’s hilarious because hunting blades doesn’t even need vicious cycle at all

[cunning urchin]

And for specific cast builds, (4) prioritize the Duo Boon you need.

[opal lodge]

bone hourglass is a legitimate item

[half crater]

but like, why not amirite?

[spice vine]

whats hunting blades

oh

a duo?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[half crater]

ares/artemis duo ye

[opal lodge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/767994344564981780/Screenshot_50.png?width=1194&height=671

this one was my favorite

:^)

[stark ore]

Is Phalanx Shot worth it? The deflect is nice but idk if the damage is good enough

[cunning urchin]

I guess if we're posting Achilles victory screens. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/767086900237303828/Hades_1010.png?width=834&height=469

[opal lodge]

LOL that one is nice

[half crater]

joining the party

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/762201218063663104/Hades_4_10_2020_5_34_26_PM.png

[stark ore]

:O

[half crater]

i take pride in having the most bloodstones

i missed vicious cycle tho sadly

[mossy light]

"I HATE THIS THING." (My favorite line.)

[cunning urchin]

Phalanx Shot is good. Try to get Parting Shot with that.

[opal lodge]

parting shot 👌

[cunning urchin]

Why do I have both the best time and the highest heat? What are y'all doing?

[stark ore]

Guess I'll have to try it out, probably gonna run Poseidon with it though since it gets stuck in enemies

[wet rivet]

On the topic of duos, to heck with scintillating feast, to heck with zeus in general, to heck with dio in general

[half crater]

we trying our best okay lol

[mossy light]

i have 500 hours in gungeon. i have like 120 in this

[cunning urchin]

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that's your best.

[stark ore]

My luck gets worse the better I get at a game, so noob me tends to get busted buillds

[spice vine]

Okay werid ||I've had Hades unlock his second heart for awhile but everytime he's in the house sitting I cant give him nectar||

[stark ore]

As soon as I hit 20 heat the luck vanished

[wet rivet]

4 back2back runs yesterday where I had both trippy and 1+ zappy boon

Yet I never saw a glimpse of scintillating feast

[cunning urchin]

@spice vine F10 if you think it's bugged.

[half crater]

i had a chiron run once with ten chances at heart rend

[spice vine]

On switch

[half crater]

like, TEN

wtf

i’m still angery

[cunning urchin]

Oh, then maybe let them know in #h1-tech-support.

[half crater]

i didn’t get it, in case that wasn’t clear lol

[spice vine]

aight thanks

[cunning urchin]

Or #test-branch-tech-issues if you're playing the test branch (is that possible on Switch?).

[half crater]

if he’s having a convo with someone he won’t be giftable

but it could be a bug idk

[wet rivet]

Same yo, heart rend was 5+ runs for me as well

[cunning urchin]

Even if it isn't a bug, it lets them know there's maybe an issue with trying to gift him.

[wet rivet]

Now I only have scintillating feast left smh

[half crater]

gp makes sense

gl with scintillating feast

it’s my favourite duo boon in the game

[wet rivet]

The last run was negative rng all the way through

[half crater]

not because it’s broken or amazing or whatever, but just because flashy light fog look pretty and confusing

[cunning urchin]

Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance of rolling duo/legendary per offered boon (in non-miniboss / non-styx rooms)
10% - increase from God's [Legacy]
10% - increase from corresponding god trinket

So for a normal room when you are running God's [Legacy] on the mirror and already have the pre-reqs, your overall chance of hitting the legendary/duo is:
39% - Chance with no god trinket and core boons not filled
51% - Chance with no god trinket but core boons are filled
54% - Chance with god trinket and core boons not filled
67% - Chance with god trinket and core boons are filled
Quoted from @amber jackal in the speedrun server. Very useful info.

Made me a God's Legacy main.

[opal lodge]

i thought gods legacy was the one that increases duo chance though

[rare kayak]

wasnt legacy

yeah

what they said

[opal lodge]

have i been mistaken this entier time

[cunning urchin]

Oh. I guess that one, yeah.

[rare kayak]

heh

[wet rivet]

Went zappy death laser and started with epic attack, then I got jolted and trippy in tart.

[rare kayak]

oh trinket increases duo leg chance?

didnt know that

[amber jackal]

oops guess I need to go update that

[wet rivet]

That's pretty much the end of the run since I never got anything to compliment the build after those

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Yarn of Ariadne and Refreshing Nectar also increase your odds.

[opal lodge]

@amber jackal bless you that list was really useful for me

didnt realize core boons made the difference they did

[rare kayak]

hm thats interesting then

i thought they just made stuff go from base to rare to epic

alright

[half crater]

does it not matter if you have multiple core slots open?

[amber jackal]

Yeah the number of core slots open does not matter. Just if you have at least one open

[rare kayak]

depends on which ones

oh wait you meant rng

[half crater]

good to know

[rare kayak]

not like gameplay

[half crater]

yeah rng

[amber jackal]

it will only offer at most one for that reason. If you get multiple core boons, the others were just rolled randomly from the full pool

[rare kayak]

ah

i see

ok that one i didnt know

[cunning urchin]

i thought they just made stuff go from base to rare to epic
No, they make any boon at least rare and give better chance for duo/legendary and epic.

[rare kayak]

well yeah that

what about like the super boons, the ones that are base epic

[wet rivet]

I just want to get done with the prophecies so I can finally play the game ||after like 80hrs of playing||

[half crater]

does exclusive access increase leg/duo chances?

[rare kayak]

or exclusive that too

[amber jackal]

yeah it goes in reverse. Rolls legendary, then only rolls epic if leg fails, then only rolls rare if epic fails etc

[rare kayak]

forgot about it

[amber jackal]

nah exclusive access should not affect legendary chance

[rare kayak]

so if its in reverse then base epic wouldnt matter

got it

[half crater]

fair enough

[opal lodge]

in terms of mechanics exclusive access probably just stops rolling at epic

[cunning urchin]

@amber jackal do you know how much of a bonus to legendary/duo chance Chaos's Favor boons give?

[rare kayak]

exclusive access is honestly such a good boon its a shame i usually neglect both gods

[opal lodge]

i will repeat vorime on the topic of exclusive access

the problem with exclusive access

[half crater]

if you got it in tartarus, it’d be pretty crazy

but i usually get it late, if at all

[opal lodge]

is it means youre not getting an actual boon

[rare kayak]

yeah i had a run recently with tartarus

ea

which was nice

got to sell it in styx too

[half crater]

and then yeah, it’s like, an actual boon would be better

oh nice

[cunning urchin]

You can sell Exclusive Access for 2 boons and a pom. That's hardly a problem lol.

After it gave you some Epic boons.

[opal lodge]

true i think he was more talking for speedruns

[cunning urchin]

I think speedrunning is all he does, so that seems likely lol.

[half crater]

fair, yeah i probably don’t get it enough to have a good feel for how powerful it is

[amber jackal]

@amber jackal do you know how much of a bonus to legendary/duo chance Chaos's Favor boons give?
@cunning urchin I believe another 10%. Also gives between 10 and 20% rare chance and 10% epic chance

[rare kayak]

epic is a huge boost to boon performance which is nice

[tawny meadow]

Ello actually does a fair amount of labbing for general hades knowledge

[opal lodge]

are these bonuses additive? as in, if you have enough can you guarantee a legendary/duo

[amber jackal]

I like exclusive aspect, but remember vorime operates in a space where you basically never want poseidon and dio together at the start of your run. The only speedrun build where thats kinda desirable is stygian dio cast beowolf

[spice vine]

Also does Achilles spear work well with casts cause the DMG buff?

[opal lodge]

thats fair

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, cast builds are the meta for Achilles.

[tawny meadow]

yes Raz

[rare kayak]

yeah the other problem i have with exclusive is that i dont often run either god as a focus for runs so i dont fulfill the reuirements early

[half crater]

same yeah

besides trippy shot

[amber jackal]

yeah I'd like to not get too much into the datamining type stuff here, but everyone is welcome to join the modding discord or speedrun discord for a lot of these knowledge things.

[rare kayak]

or sea storm

[amber jackal]

yes I believe the rarity boosts are additive. Feels that way at least

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it definitely does.

Any rarity bonus has a very noticeable effect.

[half crater]

it’d be consistent with other stuff, and it’s not as tho they don’t want people to have like 6 duos in a run

that happens surprisingly often

like, not commonly

[rare kayak]

not for me

):

[half crater]

but surprisingly often

[rare kayak]

like five runs ago i had a run where i encountered the mythical triple duo choice

[half crater]

i think it’s happened to be like, once

[rare kayak]

though

although it was like

[half crater]

once was surprisingly often for me lol

[rare kayak]

i think poseidon in styx? with athena, dio and zeus dups

duos

[half crater]

idk if i’ve ever had triple duo

[wet rivet]

Duo Duos when

Duo^2

[half crater]

i’ve definitely had duo/duo/legendary

in fact, i think i’ve had that twice

[rare kayak]

i dont respect demeter athena duo

[cunning urchin]

Speaking of that, I think a lot of players when trying to get a specific Duo Boon don't really think of avoiding the requirements for Duo Boons or Legendaries they don't want.

[rare kayak]

think the only duo i actively avoid is lightning rod?

i should probably look up more duo restrictions though, nyaanyaa is right

[mossy light]

lightning rod is good.

[opal lodge]

i try to avoid taking slicing shot if im running ares/athena/artemis for that reason

[gleaming current]

Speaking of which, lightning rod now is unironically decent
Put casts in a wall and now lightnings cover half the room

[rare kayak]

think the only duo i actively avoid is lightning rod?
@rare kayak this is more because i just run stygian soul all the time rather than because i dont like it but i still dont respect it

[mossy light]

not a speedrunner thing

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, if you want ME and end up being offered Vengeful Mood and Curse of Drowning, that's kinda on you.

[calm saddle]

wassup gamers

hows everyones day/night going

[rare kayak]

g*mers

you ever like get that feeling a game really wants to push a god onto you

[half crater]

honestly that’s a great point

[rare kayak]

i took one life affirmation in tartarus and styx gave me two aphro boons and one artemis

[half crater]

i get the wrong duo too often lol

[gleaming current]

On a random run I have been offered ares in tartarus 4 times in a row

[cunning urchin]

Well, if you take a boon from a god, they're in your pool lol.

[rare kayak]

i didnt even see a centaur heart until like chamber 20

[stark ore]

Managed to get all ares boons in tartarus, then all aphro in asphodel, then all dio in elysium. Got the legendaries too, it was some crazy stuff

[rare kayak]

maybe

thid was last night

[half crater]

use dark foresight

all the centaur hearts you could ever want

[rare kayak]

i gotta collect gems and stuff unfortunately

[half crater]

ah, fair ig

[rare kayak]

theyre useless but i gotta feed my interior house decorating addiction

[half crater]

i also have that addiction lol

[rare kayak]

my strange addiction

[opal lodge]

i just finished all contractor stuff and man does it feel good

[cunning urchin]

If you don't get Disciple of Aphrodite at the end of your run, the run was a failure.

[opal lodge]

not sure what to do now though

time to go for 32 heat on all weps i guess

[half crater]

but i nearly have all the upgrades so i’m just grabbing the gems from boss kills now

do it

i just did 32 on all weapons, and now i am at a loss

[rare kayak]

nyaanyaa never finishes 50 runs on a single save file because that run cant get disciple of aphrodite

confirmed

[half crater]

i’m still not coming close on most of my 40 attempts

all aspects 32 maybe?

[gleaming current]

Hot take: Dark Foresight, Golden Touch, speedrun without shopping to temple of styx to buy material, and utilize boss gems, to farm better than regularly

[rare kayak]

hmm

[stark ore]

-> Gets hit once during EM4 50 heat
-> Restarts run
-> "That run was a total failure, surprised it went so badly"

[rare kayak]

thats an idea

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite said hi to me today on her stream. 💗

[stark ore]

I wanna try Dark Foresight but at the same time, the rare boons are just appealing

[calm saddle]

thats ok

arty would be cooler

[opal lodge]

i just

took 100 damage from lava

[rare kayak]

nyaanyaa mods aphrodite’s twitch streams

[calm saddle]

ive switched to DF fully now

[opal lodge]

while fishing

[rare kayak]

😔

[opal lodge]

what

f10 time

[rare kayak]

im too lazy to post the copypasta but you know the one

[cunning urchin]

I'm not a mod, no.

[rare kayak]

its ok macadamia

i take at least 50 damage from lava in asphodel trying to do fast boats every run

[half crater]

i lose more than 100 damage to lava on purpose most runs

#SDLC4life

[opal lodge]

stubborn defiance gang rise up

[wet rivet]

Lava can suck a cacti

[rare kayak]

i didnt even run tight deadline until like three runs ago

i dont even speedrun the game

[stark ore]

Nah, it's the spike traps that suck

[rare kayak]

but i gotta go fast

[stark ore]

Easy to dodge, but you still get hit

[cunning urchin]

@stark ore I've just restarted sometimes when practicing the Hades fight after getting hit once.

With 1 dash.

[rare kayak]

personally i start a run, get hit in chamber 3 and quit the game then go take another nap

[stark ore]

I just restart if I lose a DD before Elysium

[cunning urchin]

Really?

[wet rivet]

Pat got your back

[half crater]

i might as well restart if i don’t lose a DD before elysium

clearly not running enough heat

[wet rivet]

Kek

[stark ore]

Yeah, also if I don't get Slicing Shot before Hydra

[calm saddle]

i tend to just play runs thru

idc really

[cunning urchin]

@half crater that's a good mentality. I approve.

[stark ore]

That fight's total hell when you're running a cast build with no cast boon

[rare kayak]

personally i only restart if i dont get tempest strike first boon

[opal lodge]

LOL

[wet rivet]

Is it just me or is em hydra easier than vanilla hydra?

[opal lodge]

em hydra is definitely quicker

[rare kayak]

its faster

heads are bunched

[opal lodge]

easier probably not but quicker is better imo

[rare kayak]

top right platform can hit like four at once which is sick

[stark ore]

Man one time AP just decided it wasn't having a good day and trashed all the boons I actually needed

[opal lodge]

and the difference is negligible

[cunning urchin]

@stark ore are you not using Persuasion?

[rare kayak]

you also are almost guaranteed to lose a dd but its sick

[half crater]

i literally only use give up when i accidentally start a run with the wrong keepsake

[stark ore]

I am, but with my luck I can reroll 3 times and get the same boons as the first roll except all common

[half crater]

this happens embarrassingly often

[cunning urchin]

Lernie boonless is fun, though.

[rare kayak]

going in and out of zag room to save game gang

[cunning urchin]

top right platform can hit like four at once which is sick
Yeah, four white/blue heads can hit you all at once there.

[opal lodge]

i use give up sometimes if i get a hammer first and i wanna do spread fire rail :^)

[rare kayak]

i usually spend my time after a run setting things up for the run ill do on the next day

[opal lodge]

cant believe i lost a DD to fishing 😢

[rare kayak]

except the next day i forget what i wanted to do

and change it up

cant remember the last time i didnt catch a scuffer in styx

[half crater]

cant believe i lost a DD to fishing 😢
@opal lodge i mean, it was LAVA fishing

[rare kayak]

really feels like its a 100%

[half crater]

pretty sure i could lose a DD irl fishing in lava

[rare kayak]

convection currents babey!!

[opal lodge]

pretty sure i couldnt defy death irl

[rare kayak]

you could if you werent a coward

[half crater]

same

i am also a coward

[mossy light]

... I forge rerolled cursed slash onto my arthur aspect

[stark ore]

Just head to your bathroom mirror and harness darkness smh

[mossy light]

amaaaazing

[rare kayak]

oh you hate to see that

that happened to me first run after forge got introduced

when i took it to try it out

[half crater]

some people seem to unironically like cursed slash on arthur

i don’t get it lol

[stark ore]

Cursed Slash on Arthur may not be a practical move but it's the chad move and that's all that matters

I like it tbh

[rare kayak]

if i got it early i guess i could try it out

and work around it maybe

[mossy light]

and i rolled consecrate off of it too.

[spice vine]

Is this the right channel to ask best way to uprage trinkets?

[rare kayak]

definitely not right before big boy

[mossy light]

sure

[half crater]

Cursed Slash on Arthur may not be a practical move but it's the chad move and that's all that matters
@stark ore i mean, i can respect this

[rare kayak]

upgrade trinkets? full clear styx

[stark ore]

When you're hitting like 4 or 5 enemies per slash then 2 health a hit is gonna add up

[rare kayak]

each mini room counts as one for upgrading

[spice vine]

on zero heat?

[rare kayak]

whichever you feel comfortable with

[half crater]

honestly you don’t really need to grind to max trinkets

[rare kayak]

you gotta

for achieves

smh

[half crater]

just equip different ones as you play and they’ll max eventually

[rare kayak]

ohokwy doesnt go for the PLATTY plays

[half crater]

not sure it’s necessary to do 0 heat trinket upgrade runs

[cunning urchin]

I don't think it matters much if you 3k eHP or 1200 eHP with Excalibur on a good build.

[rare kayak]

yeah i did mine while pushing bounties

[stark ore]

I think I got a decent tank build with Arthur once actually

[opal lodge]

sturdy+holy ground+weak is nice

[rare kayak]

but if youre more comfortable doing it with 0 heat and want to grind darkness at the same time thats valid too

i always forget arthur special has a windup and keep cancelling the windup with dash

in any particular room in an arthur run theres like five wasted right clicks

[half crater]

fair enough

[stark ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/723559673004949564/767138592417906730/unknown.png Best Arthur run I'll probably ever have tbh

[half crater]

farming runs are kinda boring to me, but do whatever’s fun ig

[cunning urchin]

@opal lodge add Lambent Plume to that.

[mossy light]

well. that was a hilarious way to end my last run of the day.

[cunning urchin]

Oh, and Abyssal Blood.

[rare kayak]

dont forget achilles

keepsake

[half crater]

wait 520 hp lmao

that’s a lot

i wonder what the hp record is

[stark ore]

Only had Cerberus keepsake at level 2 😔

[half crater]

i don’t think i’ve even broken 400

[spice vine]

Should I be ussing dark foresight or favour

[cunning urchin]

Can't take Myrmidon Bracer when I'm using Lambent Plume.

[rare kayak]

still, no excalibur run will compare to that time i took epic hermes attack and upgraded to heroic one room later

ah heck hes right

[cunning urchin]

@spice vine Dark Foresight.

[rare kayak]

foresights better

[half crater]

i also vote foresight

[stark ore]

Myrmidon Bracer:

• Bad
• Dumb
• Needs you to get hit
  Lambent Plume:
• Good
• Awesome
• Can't get hit in the first place

[half crater]

unless you want to ever get meta resources

[opal lodge]

whats the timer for plume? 1 minute?

[cunning urchin]

Myrmidon Bracer is pretty good too lol.

[rare kayak]

why doesnt zag justcarry around a huge keychain with six stuffed toys and like 20 trinkers

[spice vine]

meta resources?

[rare kayak]

kingdom hearts time

[half crater]

keys/darkness/gems are meta resources

[rare kayak]

on a run basis dark foresight is better

[half crater]

running dark foresight reduces the amount of them you get, which might be annoying early game

[spice vine]

oh I see

[half crater]

but yeah, if you wanna win dark foresight prolly gonna help you more for that

[cunning urchin]

@rare kayak this looks like a good spot to find some ingredients.

[rare kayak]

so like, the myrmidon bracers, spiked collar and dark shawl are presumably something zag wears

so is the lucky tooth...?

[jovial osprey]

hello

[half crater]

he uses it as a false tooth

[jovial osprey]

with the adamant rail should i take hazard bomb or rocket bomb?

[half crater]

zag only has 3 teeth usually

[stark ore]

Lucky Tooth is (hopefully) just a put on a necklace

[rare kayak]

i prefer to think he just has it jingling around his mouth

the entire time

[half crater]

^

yup

[rare kayak]

usually i go rocket with that choice augmet

really dont like hazard

[half crater]

rocket

[opal lodge]

rocket imo

[rare kayak]

their question

[half crater]

if eris, definitely rocket

[opal lodge]

if eris, definitely hazard bomb

gotta get that youtube content somehow

[half crater]

oh rip didn’t mean to put a question mark there

[jovial osprey]

i'm guessing eris is an aspect, i don't have those unlocked yet

[half crater]

was tryna say yes, go rocket lol

[cunning urchin]

If Eris, it really doesn't matter.

[rare kayak]

well if hazard has the prophecy and rocket doesnt id take hazard

[opal lodge]

if eris, splash dash

[rare kayak]

but i would consider that run lost

lul

[opal lodge]

and w M1

[jovial osprey]

rocket is 80 base damage, hazard is 300% damage

[opal lodge]

or whatever the controller equivalent is

[mossy light]

okay, my adjustment to FO1 with my usual foolishness is going poorly

[stark ore]

Rocket with Eris is annoying as hell, you basically gotta be point-blank to get the buff

[rare kayak]

yeah but hazard also stuns you if you get hit

[opal lodge]

cluster rocket time

[mossy light]

i beat my first game with cluster rockets.

[half crater]

rocket also gets your eris buff faster

[cunning urchin]

You want to be point-blank with Eris anyway.

[rare kayak]

the damage is pretty negligible but havig to path around it is annoying as heck

[cunning urchin]

So that works out perfectly.

[opal lodge]

i beat my first game camping with rockets and stubborn roots

[half crater]

i would take rocket on eris if it did 0 damage tbh

[opal lodge]

i cant seem to get rocket to work on eris tbh i feel like i whiff sometimes

so sad

[cunning urchin]

@half crater tbh you wouldn't lol.

[opal lodge]

just watching a rocket whizz by someone

[mossy light]

you dont dash into someones butt and shoot a rocket like a crazy TF2 soldier?

[half crater]

lol

yeah hyperbole tbh

[opal lodge]

LOL

[half crater]

but still, it’s good

[stark ore]

You don't realize how good aim assist is until you turn it off

[rare kayak]

well thats because eris _ her _

[wet rivet]

If y'all want to get annoyed then go twin/explosive rama

[rare kayak]

heck

mistype on shot LOL

[wet rivet]

you pull so slow

[rare kayak]

im a fan of homing shot

[half crater]

twin explosive rama is great

proper melee bow experience

[rare kayak]

its not like good, but curvy bullet is fun to see

[spice vine]

Oh yeah i've been liking the heal on darkness pickup over the like tiny bit every room entry is that the meta or?

[rare kayak]

tiny bit is meta i think

[cunning urchin]

Twin Shot + Explosive Arrow is fun.

[half crater]

i actually kinda prefer triple explosive, even tho it’s prolly worse, just ‘cause then you literally have to stand on top of enemies to nuke them

[cunning urchin]

Ridiculous DPS.

[half crater]

which is amusing

[cunning urchin]

That is also fun.

[mossy light]

@spice vine it works better if you either find troves or arent clearing new bounties i think

[rare kayak]

truly a shame we cant get explosive launcher gy

or ricochet shot gy

[spice vine]

@mossy light Which one works better?

[half crater]

are either of those really a shame lol

[rare kayak]

actually i want ricochet shot gy

[half crater]

“hmm, pity we can’t get charged flight chaos”

[rare kayak]

sounds fun

just a giant hitbox zooming around the battlefield

[opal lodge]

charged flight chaos

[cunning urchin]

Speedrunners use Chthonic Vitality and high heat runners don't care because of LC4.

[spice vine]

LC4?

[rare kayak]

im bad and i use chthonic vitality though

[cunning urchin]

Lasting Consequences rank 4.

No healing.

[stark ore]

LC=Lasting Consequences, reduces healing basically

[half crater]

i actually have no idea which is better

[rare kayak]

at 4 its no healing

[spice vine]

oh I see

[half crater]

but no longer care either because LC4 lol

[robust anchor]

zag bow is so fun

the power shot sound is so satisfying

[spice vine]

no healing at all sounds wild to me

[cunning urchin]

I think when learning the game and going up bounties for the first time, Dark Regeneration is probably easier since you'll need a lot more healing over a run.

[robust anchor]

you get fake healing from stubborn defiance

[half crater]

once you get used to it it’s kinda fun

[opal lodge]

curious about some aspect of final fight for yall

when dad goes for the omnilaser

[spice vine]

Oh wait yeah is the definaince thats per room better

[opal lodge]

do you hide or go for the hug

[rare kayak]

hide

[spice vine]

or the one thats charges

[rare kayak]

i am also a coward

[cunning urchin]

So Darkness chambers and Darkness troves just give you more ways to heal.

[spice vine]

you can hug him on his laser?

[rare kayak]

yea

[cunning urchin]

Or buying Darkness from the shop or well.

[opal lodge]

you gotta get real up close n personal

but yeah

[rare kayak]

nah u gotta go chad and stand between

[half crater]

yeah i used to use dark regen before i banned myself from playing with LC4

[cunning urchin]

Stubborn Defiance is better when you run LC4.

[rare kayak]

hell yeah

[half crater]

it seemed to help more, but i’ve never been 100% sure

[stark ore]

Become a true chad and just dodge the lasers

[cunning urchin]

But Death Defiance is easier otherwise.

[spice vine]

I see

Also is the darkness farming just using whatever weapon has thirst?
and going for all darkness things

[half crater]

a true chad would tank the lasers, let’s be real here

[opal lodge]

need to get used to not getting hit by dad

[rare kayak]

death defiance gives more on bosses because you have more effective health but at high heat most encounters are just bad so stubborn defiance helps

[opal lodge]

so used to just trading DDs against him

the transition to SD LC4 is going to be rough

[spice vine]

God I might need to learn all the acronyms soon

[stark ore]

A true chad tanks the lasers without being hit

Yeah, didn't have the best time with LC4 SD my first few runs

[cunning urchin]

I never bothered deliberately farming Darkness.

[mossy light]

im having enough trouble moving to FO1

[rare kayak]

a true chad gives up the run

[mossy light]

what i hate is that giving up doesnt reseed the run

[half crater]

try moving to FO2 instead

[opal lodge]

just die

[cunning urchin]

There's a pin for the pact initialisms in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[rare kayak]

hades no laser%

[spice vine]

oh thanks

[mossy light]

@half crater i need to clear these lower heat bounties

[half crater]

you’ll still struggle, but now you’ll struggle faster

[mossy light]

and im on hell mode

[half crater]

i mean, you don’t need to do lower heats before moving up

but fair if that’s what you want to do

[cunning urchin]

Winning gives you a new seed.

[rare kayak]

god going to fo0 from fo2 is honestly a trip

[cunning urchin]

That usually works for me.

[opal lodge]

true

[spice vine]

wait I don't think i've seen hell mode

unles si'm being dumb

[opal lodge]

hell mode is an option you choose for a new save file

[mossy light]

@spice vine its selectable on a new game

[opal lodge]

starts with some PoP mods already selected

[spice vine]

ohhhh

[rare kayak]

real men play god mode tho 😤

[cunning urchin]

And women play at 52 Heat?

[rare kayak]

correct

[spice vine]

Is there a greater call you guys go for every run

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[rare kayak]

im a fan of aphrodite’s call

idk about greater

but base im a fan

[half crater]

i always go for Bouldy’s greater call

[mossy light]

i seem to end up with artemis' which is fine

[half crater]

haven’t got it yet

but i believe

[rare kayak]

greater call of god of dropping boulder on your face

[spice vine]

I always try to get Artemis

[opal lodge]

i take whichever call i come across thats decent

[mossy light]

the brains here prefer poseidon and dio

[opal lodge]

aka not Dem

[cunning urchin]

I'll sell Demeter's Aid at the next opportunity if I get it.

[opal lodge]

yup

like oh nice free obols

but also no actual boon

😦

[spice vine]

For a second I thought you mwant shilling

but then realized you meant in game

[cunning urchin]

That should go in the description of Demeter's Aid.

"Not actually a boon."

"Doesn't do anything."

[opal lodge]

"it's a trap"

[cunning urchin]

"Grants Ambiguity bonus."

[opal lodge]

artemis lesser call is also kinda bad

[spice vine]

Oh yeah is there anything I should always go for with Eurydice or just w/e feels like it'd be best for me

[rare kayak]

obols for me todonate to lady aphrodite next time she streams

[cunning urchin]

"Kinda."

[rare kayak]

she might even read my name this time

[robust anchor]

thats your cousin

[opal lodge]

like how you gonna give less base damage to a call than arthur second swing

smh

[cunning urchin]

@rare kayak that's a good idea.

[half crater]

okay not recommending but dem call is actually hilarious on arthur

[opal lodge]

wait jk it edges out second swing but is wildly outclassed by third swing

which is still sad

[half crater]

max chill stacks inside holy aura = can’t move at all lmao

[rare kayak]

dem call activates slowmo for me

idk why u think its bad

[spice vine]

Hey I mean if you're a greek gods kid cousin is like one milisecond away from wife

[cunning urchin]

Your third swing will do nothing if they just block it.

[rare kayak]

just get a bad computer

[cunning urchin]

So there's that.

[opal lodge]

dem call can suck it

[rare kayak]

the worse your computer performs the better demeter call is

[cunning urchin]

Can't block her arrows, though.

I bet Demeter's Aid would be top tier in 1v1 online.

[rare kayak]

its so strong

[half crater]

but if everyone has dem’s call no one has it

[rare kayak]

it performs chill on your game

[spice vine]

If i'm going CHiron Aphro/Dio I want the thing thats two status = more dps right

[cunning urchin]

Lag switch button for people playing at 20 fps on wifi.

[opal lodge]

sure

[rare kayak]

up to preference

[opal lodge]

just try to get both in tart

pretty easy privileged status yeah

[stark ore]

If Hades was a fighting game then Aphro's legendary/call and Demeter's call would be OP

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, take Privileged Status.

Also God's Legacy and Dark Foresight.

[rare kayak]

i wonder if aphro legendary has an internal charm cooldown

yall ever just forget to hit g on a god to give ambrosia five times on a single run because youre mashing the interact button

[stark ore]

ye 😔

[cunning urchin]

Yup.

[rare kayak]

and then u go

ill get them next time

[stark ore]

Still haven't maxed out Poseidon and Demeter because I keep forgetting to gift

[rare kayak]

and then u dont get them next time

[opal lodge]

those were also my last two

idk what it is but their dialogue was hard to trigger

[rare kayak]

rly do be like that

[opal lodge]

demeter i get but poseidon

just

?????

[rare kayak]

uncle who

[opal lodge]

why doesnt uncle like me

[spice vine]

god I hate elyisum mobs

[rare kayak]

hey think of it this way

[cunning urchin]

They hate you, too.

[rare kayak]

at least splitter is tartarus specific so you’ll never get splitter flame wheels

[cunning urchin]

If that helps any.

[spice vine]

just cause you were mlg when you lived dosen't mean you can be mlg when you're dead wtf

[half crater]

elysium mobs love me

[opal lodge]

you will get teleporting flame wheels though 🙂

[rare kayak]

or was it cloner

[half crater]

ahem APHRODITE!

[rare kayak]

dont remember

[cunning urchin]

Cloner is the perk lol.

[spice vine]

god trial aphro attack is scary

[rare kayak]

yeah cloner

imagine bp2 cloner shifter flame wheels

[opal lodge]

big fun

[half crater]

cloner shifter flamewheels is workable

[opal lodge]

will gladly pay inflated CF2 prices for flame wheel release

[cunning urchin]

@spice vine I hope you lost for not choosing her.

[rare kayak]

honestly the fact that they explode on death is just disrespectful

[half crater]

compared to fast cloner flamewheels lol

[rare kayak]

very rude

[spice vine]

I choose her no matter what nowdays

[rare kayak]

you will be hearing from my father about this

[spice vine]

oops

[half crater]

okay re: flamewheel release

i’m starting to think it’s a trap

[cunning urchin]

Good. You should always choose her.

Only evil people don't.

[rare kayak]

oh right werent theseus and bullboy supposed to have a new move? dont think ive seen it since the update

[opal lodge]

i have never not chosen her i am afraid