Eventually you'll have more nectar than people
#h1-builds-and-combat
mossy light
turbid needle
when i wnter
but witj the machine guntodsy
i manages to kill him so easily (rocket and split rocket, so lame)
maybe i lost 100hp
felt bad
also czn i increase heat level after i kill haron with that wep to get rewards
because increasing heat level seems not to give me rewards again
i have all keepsakes but one
@mossy light hows bow?
and shield ive tried with ares, isnt it better or the lighting goes everywhere shield bounce?
ocean crown
What boons should I aim for with the hidden spear aspect? I haven't used it before
analog sail
Aphro or Artemis special, charged skewer
turbid needle
any tips for some easy combiaton for fists weapon
for my SO
i can't think of anything
analog sail
Zeus attack, athena dash
turbid needle
using talos or demeter aspect (1lv or 2lv)
cunning urchin
Divine Dash, Divine Strike, Deadly Flourish, Deadly Reversal, Support Fire.
turbid needle
so normal and special attack from zeus?
cunning urchin
For Malphon.
turbid needle
and could you please answer me one more question, to gain titan blood/diamond i have to beat hades again yes?
but ive beat hades with a bow and i could get improved from all weapons at heat1
analog sail
If you want more bounties you need to defeat redacted, yes
turbid needle
i found out the gun is easeist
once you get rocket and split rocket
i used to have such good builds and still fail
2 builds ive failed by my greedines at the end and buying the anvil
btw how fast you can use 1st companion?
i try to give it to bouldy all the time, but as ive readed im also gonna need to spend lot of diamonds
@cunning urchin you were talking to me?
i want more titan blood for sure
analog sail
The fastest companion to get is Skelly, but all of them require some time
In the end it's just what RNG gives you
And ye she was talking to you
cunning urchin
Yes, I was.
analog sail
It deals more damage but Athena makes it much safer in general
Also with athena attack and dash Deadly Reversal is much better than anything Zeus can offer
And if you get reversal you probably get support fire which is also a oh hit proc
turbid needle
btw i feel like zeus speccial attack is weak
its just basic dmg
and can trigger once
analog sail
Zeus special isn't great on fists
turbid needle
how i am wrong when theress so much +130-150% multiplers
no at all i mean
and it also has 0.2 cooldown
so chiron bow does not work also
well
analog sail
Well on bow the special deals 15 damage so +35 is good
analog sail
Also the cooldown is only on a single target
turbid needle
i wont be able to get athena/artemite all the time
also should i start with athena trinekt ye?
analog sail
Ye
turbid needle
and reroll all for athena/artemite
i think i currenly have 3
with abilitry that key unlocks more changes
what gods can be good to include in this build?
cunning urchin
Owl Pendant in Tartarus, Arrowhead in Asphodel.
turbid needle
i mean, i wont be able to roll only these 2
all the time
and i guess its better to roll for athena attacks
for reflect sake ye?
cunning urchin
You can just kind of take whoever for the other two gods.
brisk trench
Dont need to grab owl pendant everytime if you check the free reward first 4head
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid, Zeus' Aid, and Poseidon's Aid are all great to throw in if you see them.
brisk trench
Does the seed change if you look at the free reward and then reset and take a boon keepsake?
turbid needle
well but i have to grav athena attack and special
cause i just told her to skip the godness with damage reduction curse
turbid needle
she took artemida attack
fossil compass
still vigil
Despite crystal beam havin one of the highest cast dmg potentials I hate it
robust anchor
you need the art deme duo
cyan bear
Yooo i won with beowulf thanks to your suggestions
sharp anvil
What are the best casts/builds for Hera bow? I'm thinking in terms of how effective and consistent they are
And if you have fun builsd for it, do tell me too!
onyx folio
pog
robust anchor
@sharp anvil most popular is aph or dio
sharp anvil
@robust anchor And do they use any duos or legendaries?
robust anchor
the dio build likes dio legendary and zeus dio duo. aph likes athena aph duo
sharp anvil
Thank you
robust anchor
wait not dio legendary i meant dio deme duo oops
cyan bear
How about for rama?
robust anchor
for rama try art or aph attack and art dash. athena dash also works
also pray for good hammer, twin shot is amazing
if you look in pinned of #h1-high-heat-strategies youll find a spreadsheet of videos. look at those for builds/gameplay. rama is pretty popular
cyan bear
Nice nice. Thanks!
sour bramble
Few questions regarding Cast builds since I finally picked up Poseidon sword.
- What's the optimal mirror layout?
- Which god(s) should I be considering for a cast run?
I know Demeter cast is pretty fun if you get everything for it but it seems like a really awkward build.
Mirror layout I don't actually care much about really, but the whole gods thing I could use some pointers on.
drifting vale
Most people i think run boiling blood (purple)
And infernal (purple) but stygian is convenient
For gods really lodge ones are great
Pos, arti, zeus, you get the idea
Especially if you get exit wounds from arti and then dislodge with pos sword special
rare kayak
i usually run stygian soul unless im doing hera beo or poseidon runs
and exit wounds is probably the big boy boon for poseidon
that and flurry cast both can make for budget merciful end
although there are people who run stygian when doing cast builds for demeter dionysus and ares
sour bramble
Not sure if I should take authority or persuasion, I rerolled my mirror because I want to try and get the poseidon/artemis duo.
rare kayak
those dont lodge so they get a fat damage bonus from bad news (hermes) and if having good recharge and extra cast charges you can spam casts
sour bramble
And the artemis legendary.
rare kayak
with how game rng works u can mostly manipulate it so u get the gods u want
so persuasion is regarded as better
drifting vale
Yeah you really dont need to
rare kayak
basically ur more likely to meet gods whose boons youve picked up
sour bramble
I'm guessing that's the main method unless there's shenanigans
rare kayak
thats about it
rare kayak
but theres not really a good way to manage boons outside of persuasion
plus almost every gold laurel pickup is useful so
sour bramble
Only managed to get 2 rolls on persuasion, but I've got the key upgrade so that should be okay.
rare kayak
persuasion increases the more u use it btw
drifting vale
Yeah thats all you need to make it work
rare kayak
post link
left peak
What?
rare kayak
err depends on how much u wanna throw away ur run
jagged roost
spread fire
rare kayak
if u rly wanna throw away ur run take hazard for prophecy
jagged roost
if ur going for artemis build
rare kayak
lol
sour bramble
i LOVE hazard bomb with artemis but
rare kayak
otherwise yeah spread fire
left peak
Currently no artemis boons
Only hades and Aphrodite
Ares with Doom and Urge to kill
and heartbreak flourish
So from the 3 which do you recommend?
rare kayak
eh wait
turbid needle
whaats rama.run
left peak
What?
rare kayak
doom on attack huh
left peak
Yes
turbid needle
btw thought of upgrading
rare kayak
rocket then
turbid needle
basic spear
robust anchor
basic spear sucks
rare kayak
its only special
robust anchor
it only affects special and its not good
jagged roost
@left peak next time with the original rail use spreadfire with artemis and watch everything melt in front of you
artemis on attack
left peak
Alright
rare kayak
spreadshot is pretty great but i prefer it with a scaling attack
but i usually run zeus attack on rail anyway
turbid needle
it only affects special and its not good
@robust anchor how so
so no all stars?
can you recommend me some buils for.chirabow (low lvled can gst it to 3 maybe
or for hera bow
i am.also open for chsos shiels builds
btw is ares that bad?
is it possible to stack multiple doom on person?
reef galleon
Ares isn't bad at all
There is a boon that amplifies doom damage when it's applied multiple times
robust anchor
doom cant be applied again until it resolves so you cant stack it multiple times
chiron bow goes art special and pray for concentrated and relentless volley on hammers
hera likes aph or dio cast
edgy delta
is divine dash any good?
robust anchor
yes very good
edgy delta
ok
cunning urchin
Best Dash in the game by far.
jagged roost
but i usually run zeus attack on rail anyway
@rare kayak oh yeah me too but if i got lucky with hammers id go arte
turbid needle
whats divine dash, the one with reflect
robust anchor
yes
turbid needle
damn i need to change my language version
i have lv2 chiron bow
3 titan blood and 3 ambrosia
i killed hades only 2 times, the second time was so lame with rockets
so you say the 1st spear upgrade works only for its special spin?
robust anchor
it only affects the special, as in the spear throw
rare kayak
i guess it depends on what u go for? persuasion really helps you build up a foundation
cunning urchin
You kind of need to know what boons are even available to make full use of Persuasion.
primal hazel
Heyo Guys
What's a fun build for eris? Just maxed it since I got the 15 ambrosia from the duo prophecy
cunning urchin
When it's better to reroll vs saving etc.
rare kayak
ah yeah thats also true
cunning urchin
@primal hazel Lightning Strike.
sour bramble
honestly, this run, I've found myself thinking 'god I wish I had authority' more than 'i'm glad I have persuasion'.
cunning urchin
- Support Fire
primal hazel
Basic lightning build?
cunning urchin
That's what dominates the leaderboards.
rare kayak
support fire does some stuff with rail
primal hazel
Other way around for me honestly
I want to reroll blue laurels into golden but since you can't do that authority is urself for me
rare kayak
thats what dark foresight is for~
primal hazel
Yup
rare kayak
although i dont run it since im trying to collect stuff for contractor
primal hazel
I wanna have some fun runs so I'm running that rn lol
Haven't run it up until two runs ago and jesus does it make an insane difference
Ain't used to having my build down by asphodel lol
sour bramble
i think this run has just been cursed tbh
i had 4 gods that I WANTED in this build
and i honestly got none of their boons because hey, no authority, can't reroll this dio to try and get something usable
rare kayak
the way ive usually looked at it was more like if i can get the t1 boons i want
which between keepsakes and persuasion i can usually swing it that way
dio does have some awkward side boons though thats for sure
worn citrus
A R T H U R
limber flax
okay i dont have secret one yet
worn citrus
Well there ya go. It's mostly just subjective though.
Poseidon is good for cast builds of course. I just like big numbers.
limber flax
Nemesis seems cool too
gray shore
@sour bramble i think part of the skill of this game is being as adaptable as possible given what you're seeing and winning your lowroll runs from playing the build correctly
primal hazel
Sorry forgot how to grammar
gray shore
basically the same as any rogue-like game
primal hazel
To a much lesser extent
gray shore
but yeah sometimes the run feels completely cursed
primal hazel
Hades is fairly consistent
primal hazel
I still have cursed run trauma from isaac
limber flax
@sour bramble i think part of the skill of this game is being as adaptable as possible given what you're seeing and winning your lowroll runs from playing the build correctly
@gray shore not really
in this game there is not much rng to bh
primal hazel
Fite
primal hazel
There is much rng but it's very controllable
limber flax
yes much less
gray shore
I don't disagree with you there at all
limber flax
compared to your ordinary rougelike
gray shore
but this guy is complaining about 4 gods he wanted
so what would your response to him be?
gray shore
Polite PolicyToday at 14:33
i think this run has just been cursed tbh
i had 4 gods that I WANTED in this build
and i honestly got none of their boons because hey, no authority, can't reroll this dio to try and get something usable
primal hazel
It's less about being adaptable and more about knowing your tools to control your run
limber flax
without it would be really fkin boring
primal hazel
Not saying adaptability doesn't factor in
limber flax
honestly the thing i believe this game is missing the most is area and boss/enemie/room variety
thats what the devs can improve on
gray shore
Let me give you an example of the run that I just had- Achilles spear heat 12. I was basically using my strikes a lot early on in the game, and I just realised halfway through that I needed to actually switch to my cast as my primary form of damage
I really like that I had learned something in that run
because I thought I was lacking single target damage
but I wasn't
primal hazel
They don't have as much variety but the best polish and story around
Kind of a trade off
gray shore
They can always add more content
gray shore
but at the same time, I'm decently happy with the amount that it is
I don't feel the lack of variety in a game like say slay the spire
primal hazel
If you plan out your build properly I'd say you're safe 90% of the time
limber flax
They don't have as much variety but the best polish and story around
@primal hazel i agree
gray shore
and I feel like the structure is quite comparable
primal hazel
Of course you can throw caution to the wind and go all out and adapt
primal hazel
I think we never said adaptability isn't a factor
It just doesn't feels to be a large factor
Relegated to builds and rng at least
More towards chaos boons and what rooms you get
But the rooms are p easy to memorize
gray shore
Re: adaptability. I'm just making more the point that Hades has this element where (unless you're at intensely high heat) you're just trying to make the correct decisions as frequently as possible, and even if your build is trash, the gameplay is fair enough that you feel that you can still have won that run with proper play. That is a really nice element that doesn't exist in say a game like Slay the Spire. If you bottom deck your win con, and your intangible, you're dead and run is over. I think managing to win those "cursed" runs is really rewarding for me when I do
@limber flax I guess I forget that there's actually a lot of different decks because I feel that only a few archetypes for each class are viable at A20. But yes you're definitely right that the overall game has a lot of depth and content
that would outstrip Hades
in terms of combat variety and possible enemies
I feel like the content is around the same, slight edge to sts
limber flax
well honestly i think its hard to compare those just bc of the fact that one is a card game, theres always rng and luck involved in those you cant change that
marsh pumice
Slay the Spire is all about strategy and if you fail it, you lose, unlike Hades
limber flax
but i agree with most of what you said glimmer
gray shore
:)
reef galleon
Is there an actual use for piercing wave btw?
proven parcel
prob breaching
gray shore
piercing wave can deflect with athena lel
proven parcel
I don't see much use in flurry or piercing
reef galleon
Can it ever not be something of an adjacent thing
gusty parcel
Breaching is always good.
gray shore
breaching slash is very respectable
gusty parcel
Anti armour is always relevant.
cunning urchin
@reef galleon Piercing Wave clears DC hearts.
limber flax
should i still take 1?
cunning urchin
What aspect?
limber flax
nemesis lv1
cunning urchin
Yeah.
limber flax
thx
cold mason
So what do you consider the best attack buff for eris, @cunning urchin ? If you don't mind.
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike.
robust anchor
can antos hit the same target with both hits
robust anchor
no
robust anchor
no
cold mason
i take flurry slash if the choices are like flurry slash world splitter and cursed blade or something lol
lone lava
In that case you're just taking the one that isn't straight up detrimental haha
proven parcel
I like cursed blade tho
limber flax
changed to key room
proven parcel
👀
cold mason
which special room
limber flax
you know that one with bouldy in act1 orhpheus gf in act 2 and that depressed dude in act3
those ones
im in act3 rn
cold mason
give me the stupid last bow upgrade i need
does charged volley hammer upgrade require something i don't know about
cold mason
or relentless volley I know but I meant does it require a diff hammer first or something
robust anchor
no
cold mason
gdi
robust anchor
what call do you have
limber flax
aphro
cunning urchin
Too slow, yeah.
robust anchor
just try it if the other stuff sucks
gray shore
I've personally found it a meh boon. What are your alternatives?
gray shore
you mean flurry cast?
edgy delta
how can you upgrade your weapons?
gray shore
those aren't bad, but it depends on your build
robust anchor
unlock every weapon
edgy delta
i've done that
gray shore
tbf nemesis blade right, so the swift flourish can be useful
robust anchor
did u win yet
edgy delta
no
gray shore
for reducing your window of vulnerability before laying into them again
robust anchor
win one time
cold mason
so nyaa since you tend to use artemis, which do you prefer mirror-wise? privileged status or family favourite?
cunning urchin
Family Favorite.
cold mason
is it always better or only better on specific builds?
cunning urchin
It's more consistent.
cold mason
right, that's fair
oh and which upgrade is better for zeus' attack; the... one that increases bounces, or jolted? I can never decide
lone lava
By itself, jolted
turbid needle
i would need to sell another ambrosia toh
turbid needle
does jolted work for special attack and normal?
prisma raven
I feel like aspect of poseidon should have unique functionality for stygian soul
turbid needle
whats maximum upgrade of hera bow?
prisma raven
trippy shot
turbid needle
chaos, chiron, hera thats three im willing to play - dont know which i should upgrade
3 titan blood 4 ambrosia
gray shore
when is trippy shot not good?
turbid needle
chiron lv2, hera1, chaos3
tall yarrow
I usually don't bother upgrading until I max something
like Chiron is not very good at low ranks
but very good maxed
gray shore
I kinda feel like trippy shot is just good in all builds
turbid needle
i could spend my all ambrosia and titan
prisma raven
when I'm using exagryph I prefer to have aphrodite cast or some other fast cast to get close enemies off my back
but generally yes trippy shot is great
despite its slowness
cold mason
trippy rules on everything except probably beowulf
turbid needle
but i have no idea how to handle cast build
prisma raven
but it's not slow if you're running hera
turbid needle
should i bother upgrading hera or chiron?
gray shore
i see
that makes sense
I do like the Dionysus Demeter duo for that reason
solves its slowness
prisma raven
which one is that
prisma raven
ooh
cold mason
Alright. I need to get to surface with lucifer for last fate thingy. What should I be going for boon wise?
cold mason
yeah that's what I was thinking
prisma raven
I've heard special up boons are good too but that's not obvious to me on paper and I'm not very experienced so
lucifer was the only aspect that took me more than one attempt to get to the surface with I think
cold mason
I failed a bunch with beowulf cause I hate the shield until I just relied almost entirely on special rofl
cold mason
oh yeah guan yu took me a couple too
prisma raven
what's beowulf's special again
cold mason
just seems to hit hard
prisma raven
just a stronger melee attack than attack
cold mason
i dunno if it hits harder than other shields or not
"heavy attack and special" so yeah i think it hits harder
prisma raven
do you throw it
cold mason
yep
cold mason
i did too. i think it's just cause it's huge haha
prisma raven
no
turbid needle
and aspect of rama ive just unlocked someow
prisma raven
just make sure you have infernal soul
turbid needle
whats that
tall yarrow
mirror upgrade
prisma raven
extra bloodstones
prisma raven
? how many mirror upgrades do you have
tall yarrow
its one of the earliest ones
prisma raven
it's like the third or fourth talent
turbid needle
ah yeah
sorry im using other language version
translated it badly
gonna switch to english
prisma raven
ah I see
prisma raven
it's the talent that has the icon of a purple bloodstone
turbid needle
yeah
prisma raven
lots of bloodstones are great for hera. if you load them all up into one shot you do lots of damage
limber flax
should i upgrade/use gods pride or legacy?
prisma raven
I use olympian favor
turbid needle
care to help me?
gray shore
I like dark foresight
prisma raven
I don't think either are especially good or bad
turbid needle
im going to upgrade it till 6,677 sec
prisma raven
I ran favor for a long time because I was completing prophecies and now it's just still on
and generally I'd rather have better boons than more boons
gray shore
yeah i got it right
Dark Foresight as I see it
basically means rooms have a higher chance of giving a room that gives current run progression
rather than rooms that give meta progression
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight is amazing right now.
prisma raven
I do like meta progression. although I don't really need darkness anymore
gray shore
feels like it's stronger than a % upgrade to boon rarity
I really like God's legacy because I prefer duo boons to Epic rarity
prisma raven
I have god's legacy too
turbid needle
i prefer have it maxed i think
prisma raven
again, because I was completing prophecies
gray shore
duo boons
prisma raven
ah
gray shore
they're like 400 gold a pop
prisma raven
oh yeah I was talking about aspect of poseidon
it basically requires you have infernal soul
prisma raven
yeah I'm bringing up a topic from a while ago
turbid needle
is achilles spear the "best" aspect since you can just build according to what the game gives you ? you can focus on attack or cast 🤔 idk (or both)
prisma raven
it's pretty good
gray shore
agree with what you're saying
prisma raven
hades isn't bad either
turbid needle
whats the best upgrade for hera bow with hammer
gray shore
I feel like cast build is better with achilles most of the time?
turbid needle
ive got triple shot, exlposive shot, chain shoot
gray shore
don't quote me on that though
prisma raven
I don't think any bow upgrades interact with hera's unique functionality
I'm assuming with chain it would all unload on the first target then hit the others with regular shots
but I've never tried it
prisma raven
dionysus or aphrodite
turbid needle
as i need to lvl him anyway
prisma raven
ares cast is usually good but its pretty bad with hera
artemis cast doesn't sound like it would benefit much from being on hera
since its already fast and long ranged
it'd probably actually be worse off since the bow shots don't seek targets by themselves
I think aspect of poseidon should have increased dislodge damage if you have stygian soul
turbid needle
hey ive got dash from aphoride +70% dmg took it instad of attack or special increase
but ive entered zeus room by mistake
adn have epic attack upgrade, normal call and special attack upgrade
also i have explosive shot
what do you think should i pick from zeus
because i feel like attack increase gonna be waste since my attack speed is so low
does special attack works good with the volley?
modest sigil
I have a question about unlocking the aspect of lucifer. Do you need to have the gun unlocked when you talk to zeus to unlock the weapon? Do we just need to spend 5 blood on the gun aspects or do we need to find 5 blood after we unlock the aspect of Guan Yu
hazy slate
modest sigil
I see thanks
prisma raven
bow special is really good on zag and hera
it can do decent damage up close
and having chain lightning on it doesnt sound bad at all
i think coming up with new aspects for all the weapons would be fun
turbid needle
hey
is support fire any good for hera bow? currently have epic ares cast
just before 1st boss
deadly strike/artemis aid (i feel like its worst call)/support fire to select
prisma raven
support fire could be good if you use special alot
artemis's call is pretty good, it does alright damage at max gauge
the regular call is pretty worthless tho
deadly strike is critical attack right
i think personally i'd go with that but if you use special a lot like i do then support fire would be pretty good
gray shore
I've turned it off on KBM
but my friends on controller say the aim assist is really good
maybe turning it off may help you too
unkempt zephyr
just play in comfort. if you now KMB try use special on RMB and cast on 4th mous button or Q
gray shore
that actually makes a lot of sense- RMB is a much more comfortable button to spam than Q
tulip blaze
Aim assist on controller has helped me a ton but also I just can’t aim
turbid needle
maybe i try to play on keyboard once
i think with gun if i had no rockets
i need to play on mouse
to aim that thing is meh
unkempt zephyr
Some weapons alote harder with Aim assist. like Special on Rails. Spears special.
turbid needle
guess i have to takedeadly strike
prisma raven
aim assist hasn't been a problem for me except for when running lucifer
i play with default key bindings except summons are R and reload is my side mouse button
gray shore
Does anyone know if a higher rarity boon is more difficult to replace
E.g. it's harder to reroll a heroic upgrade to an epic strike
turbid needle
btw what do you prefer
gray shore
than a rare upgrade to a common strike
gray shore
do you mean 3 boons?
gray shore
3 boons rarity, 2 upgraded current boons, 4 poms
I think 3 future boons is generically the best, but I can imagine situations to take all 3
cunning urchin
Double Edge.
rancid socket
ok
cold mason
What's calculated first? Percentages from pacts or percentages from boons?
turbid needle
prisma raven
percents are added together aren't they
turbid needle
i have no idea what to pick now
should i sell special attack
and pick dianosis keepsake?
the bladerifts are so bad
cold mason
so sell the blade rifts then
prisma raven
are you using hera
cold mason
question 2: does nourished soul from Demeter help if you're running lasting consequences 4?
I assume the answer is no but I'm curious
cunning urchin
No.
cold mason
figured. ty
it must be maddening running like lasting consequences 4 and approval process 2 and then the only choice is nourished soul lmao
rancid shard
any nemesis build advice? I find that i often build too aggressively with the weapon
cold mason
pretty much.
barren otter
it only works when there are enemies in the room
rancid shard
stubborn defiance recharges every room though, no?
cold mason
Oh true
turbid needle
i promsie im never gonna use ares sepcial again
somehow i hate it
even tho i haev upgrade
which another god mix good with it?
cold mason
I mean the boss :P. do you have trouble with the elysium boss
(es)
does heightened security affect double god rooms, or theseus' call?
cunning urchin
No.
turbid needle
so
anyone have a tip what should i sell and what keepsake pick?
i want to kill hades thi srun
cold mason
ok good
cunning urchin
Acorn for Hades.
hazy slate
^
cold mason
I used to pick the tooth but honestly acorn is more hilarious
turbid needle
i am in act 3
cold mason
it's so funny beating hades with like 2 hits left on it lmao
I asked you 4 times already dahiss lol
do you have trouble with theseus y/n
turbid needle
ah
noep i mostl ykill; them all the time
but this is my first time donig sorta cast build
cold mason
then I'd bring a god boon for something you want
turbid needle
explosive arrow is pretty good too
turbid needle
i have no clue what add to thjis build
maybe im just gonna try reroll for ares
btw can bladerift crit?
unkempt pagoda
if you have some kind of global crit chance, then yes
unkempt pagoda
you would probably see more crits on blade rifts, since each tic has a chance of critting
rancid socket
https://prnt.sc/v18wz9 which one, im doing a nemesis dash-attack build
most of my boons are for dash attack
boreal summit
wave
unkempt pagoda
nova
rancid socket
i took wave, since attack is my main form of damage
and my dash already has sturdy
unkempt pagoda
positioning and crit chance in one button press
rancid socket
hm but all i need to do now is use special where i am then dash attack which is now long ranged
and since my dash is dependant of my movment direction i can reposition while attacking
calm saddle
question
rancid socket
so wave sounds like the better choice
boreal summit
you could get all of them technically
rancid socket
stubborn roots is the best boon ive ever had
jesus christ, its basically free healing as long as i dont die 2x
i purposly die when im low so i can regen to full health using it
since i get back 1 hp every second
cold mason
okay so like
second wind + athena call is just unfair right
almost perma invincible if your luck doesn't suck lmao
calm saddle
ok lets see
cold mason
i just did a hades fight and took zero damage cause of it plus eurydice's keepsake that's all I'll say lmao
calm saddle
Splitting headache
heart rend
curse of nausea
low tolerance
deadly reversal
merciful end
void fjord
Well boyo ur luck always sucks - skelly
cold mason
it worked for me that time!
calm saddle
that would be fun
cold mason
oh for sure
void fjord
Especially when u sell them later for obol
calm saddle
idk why i just really like stacking thing on dem fists
void fjord
Stubborn roots is not rly viable on TD3
calm saddle
it scales so crazy that i almost wish there was more after hades to fight
cold mason
yeah we need an infinite run option in next update imo
calm saddle
cold mason
would be so good
solid cairn
Hmm what wacky build should I do
solid cairn
I have barely used Zeus shield maybe I’ll try that out
sour bramble
Is guan yu worth using at level 0?
The weapon seems pretty fun but I don't think having 30 max health is good for my health.
solid cairn
No
Guan yu is absolute garbage at anything less than max
You can maybe get away with level 4
cunning urchin
It's great at any level.
sour bramble
Yeah, as much as I wanna play around with it I don't want to be forced to wear cerb choker for the whole game.
solid cairn
I mean it’s not garbage at low level I guess
But I do not recommend it at anything less than level 4
solid cairn
What’s good on Zeus shield
sour bramble
Bit of a shame, I was excited for guan yu but I guess I need to get more blood.
I did pick up Hera aspect so I might try that out again, NO idea what to put on it. Tried to roll for Hunting Blades last run because that seemed good but it just didn't work out.
odd jacinth
Question: For Gilgamesh, does Explosive Upper give AOE maim?
void fjord
@turbid needle its always on the 14, 24, 36 chamber that the boss of each biome will be in
maybe one more if you took a chaos gate right before it
you can always what chamber ur in by opening the boon list
its there in the upper right hand corner
the max room count you can ever go in if im not mistaken is either 72 or 73
idle sorrel
hey guys , is there anybody who can tell me how to unlock the hidden weapon aspects? not the normal ones. I have checked dozens of articles and videos which were not helpfull. I have unlocked every weapons aspects exept the hidden ones. Maxed out 2 weapons but still achillies is simply not talking to me about unlocking them? There are absolutely no guides whatsoever about unlocking them. Please help out. Thanks
cold mason
all of them, except i think spear, are get 5 blood invested in the weapon on other upgrades and then do one other thing
the wiki helps. Check the wiki
like uhh
solid cairn
wow im actually getting the hang of achilles spear
cunning urchin
There's a Hand of Achilles Spear?
odd jacinth
It's a well modeled copy of his hand on the end of a stick
prisma raven
malphon's aspect of achilles
what if malphon had an aspect of prometheus that let you spend gauge on a strong fire special
solid cairn
ok I actually understand how to use achilles spear kind of
I feel like doing an athena cast build
I think the problem was that I wasn't using the actual spear enough
prisma raven
hang on I just checked the wiki to see whether hades or achilles was better but both aspects give you +150% at max level
they just start with different bonuses
huh
they're really kind of similar, it makes it hard to pick
I think hades might be better imo since all you have to do is spin for 10 seconds of bonus damage on whatever enemies you hit
prisma raven
I guess achillies would be better for hit and run tactics
the earliest you can let go of spin isn't that slow
or if you're far away you can wait for enemies to enter your range
solid cairn
achilles gives you far more mobility
prisma raven
or get quick spin but that's a gamble
yeah that's true
I guess I just don't like counting 4 attacks constantly. that's a personal preference tho
solid cairn
I wonder if you can get curse of drowning on beowulf
prisma raven
being able to rush while you're hiding behind a pillar is pretty good during the final boss
you probably can
prisma raven
oh nevermind you can't
it requires flood shot which you can't get on beowulf
what makes you say that
the wiki just says "bonus damage" for both aspects
oh nevermind
it does say attack/special only for hades
i mean achilles doesn't give you bonus special damage but bonus cast damage is way better
i might have to start running achilles with infernal soul in that case
achilles + infernal soul + eternal rose
spare flare
Infernal Soul is the proper Achilles route, yes.
mighty ermine
spinning is unsafe generally
Spinning is plenty safe with proper spacing and timing. You just can't do it recklessly or without dash+mini spins
unkempt pagoda
with hades' big spin, it's actually a lot safer than a regular spin would be
prisma raven
why is that
mighty ermine
The larger radius for all charge levels makes spacing it much easier
As well as easier to hit multiple enemies at once
prisma raven
does aspect of hades increase your spin radius?
mighty ermine
Yeah
unkempt pagoda
yes
unkempt pagoda
massive hades spin is very, very massive
prisma raven
I think I might still prefer achilles based on the evidence presented here today
mighty ermine
I'd recommend actually playing with them to form a proper opinion lol
prisma raven
who's got time for that
rare kayak
massive hades spin is like three times the size of a mini base spin i swear to god
very satisfying to max spin through a crowd of skulls
unkempt pagoda
the best hades spear builds are the ones where you just go all in on the spin
prisma raven
or put deflect on it
rare kayak
also the only weapon where i dont chicken out on fighting flame wheels
prisma raven
fight a coven of witches
rare kayak
i mean i still do but not as much
unkempt pagoda
quick massive hades spins so big and fast that the spin fx disappears, perfection in a weapon
rare kayak
quick massive hades spin is honestly halfway to meme build
unkempt pagoda
the big brain build is anvil-ing into flaring quick massive hades spear
mighty ermine
Lol
prisma raven
I like how ||the hades fight borrows a lot of mechanics from zagreus and varatha||
spare flare
This is a spoiler-allowed zone.
queen tree
Hey, I don't know if anyone has tried it but I found this trick from a youtube. Basically you use https://www.random.org/lists/ and then you paste hade's Pacts of punishment (conveniently here https://pastebin.com/raw/p9a2hhCu) to get a random selection of heat up until the number you want. It's invigorated my taste for the game, as I was getting a bit tired of the same old runs after 100's of hours. Just wanted to share and talk about how cool it is, is all
mighty ermine
Even more so with ||EM4||
prisma raven
||zagreus the character not the aspect||
void fjord
Welll its more like us copying him
prisma raven
I'm not there yet but I'm excited to see it for myself
my highest heat is 7 on aegis but I'll get there one day
prisma raven
I want pact rewards
I could easily just. do it anyway tho
maybe I will
not today tho I got plans
queen tree
It's just a simple list, so there's like 3 tight deadline elements, it randoms the whole list and you go in order until you get N-heat
It's just... 👌 chefs kiss
prisma raven
i think it'd be neat if ||hades' aid summoned wretches to fight for you instead of just making you invisible||
unkempt pagoda
My randomized 33 (closest to 32) heat set-up:
HL2
LC2
JS1
EM3
BP1
FO1
HS
RI3 (yikes)
DC2
AP1
TD3 (yikes)
no em4 at least! even if i have to play RI3 with TD3 lol
odd jacinth
...Huh. I just hit the Bounty Limit. Surprised there's one of those, but I suppose there's only so many resources you need.
Would be nice to be able to convert your higher tier resources into something else [blood for gems/darkness]
mighty ermine
you still get some use out of those high tier resources through the resources director
willow fossil
...Huh. I just hit the Bounty Limit. Surprised there's one of those, but I suppose there's only so many resources you need.
Would be nice to be able to convert your higher tier resources into something else [blood for gems/darkness]
Thats why there's the broker
solid cairn
does twin shot change power shot timing
also should I be trying to power shot with rama
mighty ermine
same timing over a shorter range
solid cairn
I feel like it gets me killed
robust anchor
stay further away and charge it up
mighty ermine
and yes power shots are very good with rama
you want to try and get them in whenever you can, which isn't always, but it's often
icy parrot
Quick question, do the little mist puffs that mistral dash leaves behind inflict chill for as long as they stay on the field, or is it only for the first puff while Zag is dashing?
turbid needle
😮
solid cairn
yeah uhh I keep being like slightly off
solid cairn
also how am I supposed to stand far away with twin shot
solid cairn
that takes forever it seems like
robust anchor
lol
solid cairn
ok I really can not land power shots lol
solid cairn
mostly
brittle vault
is there a cap on damage reduction stacking?
solid cairn
ok yeah this is not fun for me
cunning urchin
You can do very well with Rama without doing Power Shots. So it's not a big deal.
brittle vault
do we know what the formula is like actually
cunning urchin
Before 1.0, the typical way to play Rama was to not do Power Shots because they took even longer to charge.
sour bramble
After 60 runs (it feels like less I have NO idea what I've been doing) I've finally finished a run with every weapon.
cunning urchin
@brittle vault https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation
sour bramble
In other news, I now have a maxed out Zag sword and I will never trust another skeleton ever again.
brittle vault
thank you, sir
cunning urchin
I'm no sir. 
brittle vault
thank you, madam.
wanton night
Do yall have any recommended aspects + builds for Exagryph
Its my worst weapon
🤔
Still cant get sub 20
cunning urchin
Sub 20 minutes?
Eris + Lightning Strike dominates the speedrun leaderboards, currently.
sour bramble
The only build I have ever actually tried on Exagryph is hazard bomb with Artemis spec.
Last run I went with Dio attack and the duo boon to try and guarentee crits.
It's always a fun build.
Is it safe? Nooooooooo.
Is it competitive? Not even slightly, I'd imagine.
Is it fun to see a 3000 damage crit from pressing one button? Always, baby.
sour bramble
Yeah.
sour bramble
I went with Arti spec, Dio attack and cast, Athena dash.
sour bramble
Exagryph attacks so quick you can get to 5 stacks convincingly, and then you just hazard bomb.
I only own Zag aspect.
wanton night
Ah okay
sour bramble
Also, Hermes is pretty strong here because his faster special boon is basically +1 hazard bomb on screen at any given time.
Chaos is worth if you don't find the hazard bomb to put more % on your special, but.
Nothing is going to beat the 300% from Hazard Bomb.
But if you have a choice between, like.
A nectar and a chaos, just take the chaos. Always take the chaos.
lime mountain
Get all Hermes boons you can aspect of nemisis get all the health you can get hamer thing that reduces health on gives you 2 health back on hit and get full auto swings
sour bramble
Another fun hammer on that build is the one that makes your attacks bounce.
unkempt scroll
What the hell is balanced about this? 20-30+ shots seeking me, taking 2 death defiances because of melee range? -_-
sour bramble
Once you have Artemis spec you can focus on Dio to make your hangover stronger and not just a delivery mechanism for the Artemis duo, but you can flex into Zeus or Demeter for their duos as well if you pick up Dio cast and you're feeling spicy.
@unkempt scroll You can destroy most projectiles with attacks and special.
But if you're on a Melee build having Athena dash AT LEAST is recommended so you have more defense against range.
unkempt scroll
I didn't get the chance to get Athena...
lime mountain
I though it was terrible
lime mountain
I love Athena builds but why not increased damage dashes
sour bramble
Divine Dash is one of the best boons in the game.
brittle vault
divine dash is so good but it's incredibly boring having such an obviously best in slot boon
unkempt scroll
Especially good choice, if you're new
sour bramble
Oh, fair warning @wanton night , if you run this build and get to Styx you ARE going to be taking damage from your own abilities.
unkempt scroll
It made the game a lot easier for me, when I started after 1.0
sour bramble
Especially in the small rooms, because Hazard Bomb's blast radius is LITERALLY the size of most of those rooms.
It's also important to remember that Exagryph spec bounces off of walls and certain structures, so if you try and fire past something that's too tall it's going to land on top of you.
lime mountain
Get posiden dash with sword and get artimes crit chance for all damge it might be really good
And crank the biarer damage
sour bramble
The damage isn't that bad, it's like 1 to 5, but that's still 1 to 5 damage you're taking from standing in a circle.
It's a dumb build that by all accounts is not tactically sound but it's 100% worth a shot, it makes challenge/than rooms into obol farms.
lime mountain
I feel like fists and gun are two worst if you have zero idea of what is a good build
sour bramble
Hot take, sword is the hardest weapon in the game in my opinion.
gray shore
sword is the least noob friendly weapon
potentially highest skill cap
that's my take
sour bramble
It has no cheese, dash-chaining is hard to get used to, and the base combo is incredibly unsafe.
lime mountain
I feel like fist could be the highest skill cap since dash combo plus 5 damge on each consecutive hit
sour bramble
Nah that's a good take Glimmer. If you're good at sword it's probably easy.
Honestly, the only skill required for fists is knowing that you attack 4 times then dash attack to reset your combo.
lime mountain
Hermes legendary boon as primary attack method
sour bramble
If you attack 5 times you have cooldown.
brittle vault
what kind of heat are we talking about here?
gray shore
to be honest it just makes you glad
lime mountain
Hardest in game
brittle vault
i do remember when i started out i stuck with the shield because the sword felt very unsafe to me
lime mountain
I started out with bow
sour bramble
Sword took me the longest to clear with, only reason I managed it is because I bought poseidon aspect.
and did a meme beam build
lime mountain
Then got anilated by phase two final boss
gray shore
when you're starting most people just go with => safety/try not to die=> learning attack patterns and getting some darkness=> finally winning a run=> finally diversifying weapon choices
lime mountain
I go balls to the walls who cares if I get hit