h1-builds-and-combat

[tranquil violet]

It's the love shotgun

[opal lodge]

how does that work with beowulf lol

[stark ore]

I mean you can just block attacks then bombard them

[severe sentinel]

Dionysus cast with Hera bow is amazing.

[stark ore]

Personally I don't use Beowulf at all but it likely has good uses

[tulip blaze]

I still haven’t messed with Beowulf

Because I’m lazy and haven’t gotten the blood to put into it

[stark ore]

I've only ran it once and took Zeus, mainly because that's what I was told to do

[tranquil violet]

Beowulf + Aphrodite cast basically is jus

You charge into enemies

And then everything around you explodes

Does an insane amount of damage off the bat

But it's not very safe

[rare kayak]

i think the problem i had with beo is that i almost never do charge with shield

once i got past that it was ok

[tranquil violet]

I'm entering Apshodel with Lv 4 Passion Flare

+67% on cast from Chaos

I can burst ~1500 damage whenever

It's not bad

Not as good as Crush Shot probably be but eh

Oh

Apparently Passion Flare is unique to Beowulf

[tulip blaze]

I’m semi sure a lot of the casts have Beowulf versions

[tranquil violet]

In any case this is basically the Aphro hu Akbar build

Load up, charge into a group of enemies, and they all die

Shields or not

Not very safe though, keep taking damage

[tulip blaze]

The only point of life you care about is the last

[spare flare]

All of the Flares are Beowulf/Hera, yeah.

[forest ether]

UGH so close to a sub-20 with Hades Spear

funny thing is I died like 8 times too but Patroclus gave me a refill after I got an extra one from Chaos

[orchid marlin]

Does lambent plume extra dodge chance persist if you change keepsakes?

[hazy slate]

no

[orchid marlin]

Bah

[cloud gull]

neither does the butterfly

[untold iris]

i have a lot of fun with plume + zag fists

its probably not the best build but its cool to play

just stack dodge and mash attacks at the enemies

[gilded nymph]

on a cast build, is 1 extra cast or 31% more cast damage better?

[forest ether]

I haven't played with the fists a lot yet, I mostly just sweat the Hades Spear?

[severe sentinel]

if you switch keepsakes and then switch back to butterfly or plume, will it remember your prior progress? I know you lose the benefit when you swap off them

[tulip blaze]

You can’t switch back, unless I’ve missed a thing

[severe sentinel]

oh right

derp

[tulip blaze]

Not in the same run at least

[severe sentinel]

in theory extra cast is +100% damage

[gilded nymph]

what

you mean +33%

[cloud gull]

there wouldn't be much difference actually

[severe sentinel]

wait, I'm very tired, but surely it'd be +100%. If your cast hits for 100, and you get an extra cast, you're now hitting for 200 total right?

[near zealot]

Not if you had 3 casts to start

[severe sentinel]

ah

[near zealot]

If you had 3 casts hitting for 100, then +33% would be 3 casts hitting for 133, +1 cast would be 4 casts hitting for 100

It's around 400 dmg total either way

[unkempt pagoda]

just get the extra cast lol

[near zealot]

I like the extra cast, more flexible

[unkempt pagoda]

then get like, an atlas braid from a well

[cloud gull]

extra cast is extremely good on cooldown

[unkempt pagoda]

now you have both benefits 👍

[fair plinth]

wooo finally managed to get the dream build on chiron

concentrated volley + relentless volley

...after the nerf tho =[

[severe sentinel]

how are you supposed to use Chaos aspect shield?

I tried to do a special build yesterday and it didn't feel good. Though I did somehow win.

it seemed like only the main thrown shield was benefitting from boons

[hearty elbow]

You may be experiencing the internal cooldown if you're using Thunder Flourish

So only one instance of Lightning can happen every .2s. Otherwise the shields should be all identical and benefit equally.

[north panther]

Yeah I don't like it cuz of that, much; its base damage isn't that great and boons don't apply to the extra shields if the main shield procs it I believe?

Ahhh

[tranquil violet]

Try Dio on chaos shield with the hammer for extra bounces

Everyone's drunk now.

[severe sentinel]

I was using I think aphrodite boon. I had extra bounces and extra damage on dash special

and crit chance on everything

[near zealot]

Bash through enemies->spin around-> backstab shields

[severe sentinel]

Dionysus on the extra bounce shield sounds great, though I think the main thing I'm missing is the benefit of the chaos aspect itself. I feel like it was actually more effective to just spam throw special than it was to bullrush for the extra shields

[hearty elbow]

It's the best defensive aspect in the game

[gilded nymph]

should I go for aphro athena duo on hera bow? or artemis legendary? I'm running athena cast

[severe sentinel]

was trying to figure out why it was the best defensive aspect in the game

[stark ore]

I mean I'd imagine two extra casts are gonna do more damage then one kinda-stronger cast

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis legendary

unless you're running cold embrace or like, lightning phalanx, parting shot isn't doing much with hera

[gilded nymph]

it does so much damage

[worldly trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392127546155728897/766530535061192724/unknown.png

I am an absolute chonker

[gilded nymph]

arthur aphro?

[worldly trellis]

arthur with aphro special, athena attack

• collar

[severe sentinel]

still can't figure out what makes it so good defensively. Why is Aspect of Chaos the best defensive aspect in the game?

[gilded nymph]

the charge attack is just nuts

blocks all projectiles

and attacks too

[severe sentinel]

so does every other shield?

[gilded nymph]

yeah

then add the boon possibilities with special

[hearty elbow]

still can't figure out what makes it so good defensively. Why is Aspect of Chaos the best defensive aspect in the game?
@severe sentinel There isn't much competition in the way of defensive aspects lol.

[severe sentinel]

since zeus' special doesn't prevent attacking, would that not be better as a defensive aspect?

[cloud gull]

there's shield, and like... arthur

[hearty elbow]

Chaos is the one of the only weapons (+Beo) with invincibility built into its main damage loop.

Unlike Beowulf (unless you have Charged Flight), you don't need to commit forward either, you can just bull rush sideways or backwards and throw your shields out to get damage in.

You get to wait for attacks to hit you then retaliate by throwing your shields

[orchid marlin]

Lmao rn I've got a 47% passive dodge chance, upped to 83% after a Call

[lost badger]

Just tried a crush shot + aspect of Poseidon build, and it felt... slow? Maybe it’s cause of the heats and missing a few important boons (exposed, blowing kiss).

[hazy slate]

maybe exit wounds would also help

[cloud gull]

exit wounds is what makes it really pop

[lost badger]

It took 2-3 casts to kill the recovering armored spirits in Elysium lol

[fair plinth]

what is the ICD of holy shield?

and does it decrease on higher rarities?

[gilded nymph]

what is the guy in elysium called again

achilles friend

[lost badger]

Patrick

[willow fossil]

lmfao

patroclus

[fair plinth]

patrolcop

[gilded nymph]

holy crap

I just achieved exodia

[tranquil violet]

@gilded nymph that's FORBIDDEN

[gilded nymph]

I know

[tranquil violet]

besides it has a stunning weakness to being torn and thrown off a boat

[gilded nymph]

oh also speaking about chaos shield

what boons do you run

and what hammers

[tranquil violet]

Good boons and good hammers

Obviously

[fair plinth]

holy MOLEY kinetic launcher demeter is INSANE

[gilded nymph]

thanks

[fair plinth]

i did NOT know that kinetic launcher was THIS GOOD

i thought i just gave a ranged special that did 50 damage

[tranquil violet]

HA DOUUU KEN

[fair plinth]

turns out it gives a CHARGEABLE ranged special that starts off at 50 damage and goes to like 120 or something

multiply that by demeter's fist for 6 hits

SHINKUUUUUU HADOUUUUUUUUUKEN

[tranquil violet]

That PFP
┴┬┴┤( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬

[hearty elbow]

5 hits*

[fair plinth]

demeter is +5 hits isn't it

so 6 including base hit

time to find an epic aphro special boon

[hearty elbow]

oh, huh, yeah, it is lol

[fair plinth]

and chaos boon

and dole out some silly numbers

[hearty elbow]

If you're looking to stack chaos boons you may as well go Deadly Flourish.

[fair plinth]

man i never picked up kinetic launcher and now I feel silly for not exploring those builds

[hearty elbow]

I think general consensus is that Explosive Upper is the strongest hammer for Demeter special, but Kinetic Launcher is a lot more fun lol

[stark ore]

Kinetic Launcher is solid, does wonders since with Demeter aspect you can focus stackable doom on it for insane damage

[fair plinth]

sweet zeus' titties its stonks

[stark ore]

Plus it’s a safe option when fists are a pretty risky weapon

[fair plinth]

gonna use endboss's keepsake to fire off those giga cannons safely

[orchid marlin]

Ended my zag fists + lambent plume run with a 55% passive dodge chance with 91% for 10 seconds after using call lul

[placid topaz]

thats not half bad

[orchid marlin]

Yeah with a rare or epic hermes dodge chance boon I could have gotten 10% higher

[tranquil violet]

thats not half bad
@placid topaz you're right it's only 45% bad!

[placid topaz]

lol im so glad somebody got it 😄

[tranquil violet]

Hermes should have a cast.

And it's just throwing a newspaper

Or rarely a crit-dealing pizza box

And Zag says in his best Toby voice "pizza time!"

[gilded nymph]

I still don't know chaos shield build

[severe sentinel]

mm

I won with it last night, while still not knowing how to build it. I was going for a special damage build but it felt super weak so I decided to kill myself. But then out of nowhere I melted Asterius, and changed my mind on the killing myself part. I was still strongly considering dying deliberately in styx because of dialogue reasons back at the house, but I decided to go for it at the last moment.

I beat redacted by spamming triple recharge phalanx cast at him

I have no idea why my build was performing well. I just know that it wasn't doing what I was trying to get it to do

my special was lacklustre despite pumping special the entire time

my cast kicked ass despite mostly ignoring it. I acquired the "cast does backstab damage" boon twice because I sold it the first time around

I probably would have lost to redacted if I hadn't stumbled into triple cast charges at the last second, cause I was going for a special build the entire time and it was picking up that thing that made me use my cast and win

it was the most bizarre run

[placid topaz]

hey, a wins a win!

[severe sentinel]

I'll post the victory screen to the victory bragging channel later and maybe someone more experienced can figure out why it was doing well

Asterius melting came out of nowhere, because the build was really wimpy the entire time up till that point. Or it felt that way

and was still wimpy afterwards, till I got the triple cast

[placid topaz]

yeah not sure - post the screen when you get a chance 🙂

[robust anchor]

i remember my first 5sack

what a sad day

[spare flare]

Dash-attack boons work for Exagryph, right?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

Not on Rail 4, but they're not available for it.

[spare flare]

So Chaos won't even roll Lunge if you have Super Soaker: Bowser Edition?

[severe sentinel]

I checked the victory screen and I realised I did multiple victorious runs last night, and they all merged in my head. So I have no idea what happened and I'm just gonna forget about it. My special damage must have been okay because I didn't have the multiple cast charges on that run.

[wise aspen]

must've had at least some good runs last night then

[opal lodge]

im tryna run some poseidon sweet nectar build

early results are not promising but at least its entertaining

[tranquil violet]

Charged shot and Aphro cast on Beowulf

[opal lodge]

time to get a level 20 flood shot

[tranquil violet]

Aim, charge, boom.

[terse coral]

hey does dash recovery time gets slower on low health?

[tranquil violet]

Ohhh... minotaur rush

this sounds amazing

[sharp anvil]

Does Lucifer's ramp up reset when you change targets?

[cunning urchin]

@spare flare yeah, Lunge can't show up on Rail 4.

[spare flare]

Huh, neat. Thanks.

Yes, @sharp anvil. It's ramping up damage per-target.

[sharp anvil]

Thanks

[rare kayak]

@severe sentinel sounds like exposed + backstab cast synergy?

admittedly i dont run cast too often but iirc athena’s has pretty hefty base damage

not terribly difficult to backstab asterius either

between exposed, parting shot and shadowy presence youd maybe be doing like 3x damage on a backstab?

maybe more on crit depending on what artemis boons you took, if im assuming triple cast charge means fully loaded + stygian soul

[solid grail]

Can anyone give me some tips on what boons I should get for the aspect of Hades on spear?

[tranquil violet]

I currently have (late in asphodel) only:

Nemesis + Double Nova + Aphro Strike + Ares Special + Curse of Longing (and a Chaos Flourish)

And it's honestly enough

And Curse of Pain is heroic

[lethal agate]

How do you unlock ||hidden weapon aspects?||

[cunning urchin]

There's a pin in #h1-story-discussion for how to unlock the hidden aspects.

[lethal agate]

Thank you!

[ripe osprey]

Hey guys, I noticed there's a defensive Athena Fist build. How does it work well? Won't it feel like a lack of dps due to being super defensive like especially against Hades

[primal hazel]

Was it a build with ares special?

[ripe osprey]

Nope Athene deflect attack and dash

Wait

actually im not sure lol

i just tried to follow a build on youtube

[primal hazel]

Maybe post the full build

[ripe osprey]

but i went like the wine dude and love girl as well

i dun think i unlocked the feature to check build yet

but hold on

let me try to find it on youtube

[primal hazel]

You mean you don't have the codex yet?

[ripe osprey]

https://youtu.be/EbMkJBxIVaI?t=706

wait i have the codex

but how do i check the build

let me open my game

[primal hazel]

You can only check what you have by pressing - (I'm on switch dunno on pc) or open the codex and check gods boons

[cunning urchin]

@covert grove is it just 6 Eris builds?

[primal hazel]

No there's in nemesis

[tranquil violet]

On a roll now

[cunning urchin]

Smh.

[tranquil violet]

After much struggling for my first two wins

I may now be about to finish a streak of three 🙂

Progress!

[storm axle]

When you use a keepsake for a God

[primal hazel]

@ripe osprey also since you seem to be new I think #h1-for-new-players is a better place to ask your questions since it's spoiler free mostly
In this channel there's a lot of spoilers

[storm axle]

Do ALL of their boons gain increased rarity?

Or just the next one?

[cunning urchin]

All boons.

[primal hazel]

When you want to force them to aplear

Appear

[ripe osprey]

alright, i can't see my past run though @primal hazel where do you see it in codex?

i am in the training area btw

[storm axle]

Alright, interesting

[primal hazel]

You unlock the ability to check your past runs with time
Hades will unlock a chamber for you that will do that with the story

[ripe osprey]

oh

yeah so i can't check my build

but you can try and look at the video i sent

with the timestamp

[primal hazel]

You can't check your past vids currently

I'll do it in a couple mins

[ripe osprey]

alright thanks

[tranquil violet]

After all I don't really like the sword

I feel like I can't not end up taking some damage with it often

Maybe I'll like Arthur more.

[white abyss]

for the sword, is zag aspect anny good or should i go nemesis

[cunning urchin]

@compact storm in-depth heat discussion is better in this channel. Lambent Plume is perfectly viable for 15–20 Heat, yes. I've used it at 32 Heat and at 40 Heat, in fact.

[tranquil violet]

Butt fully clenched

But I managed to beat Hades with the sword finally

[storm axle]

Arthur makes the sword nuts

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis is just way better than Zag Sword.

[tranquil violet]

I am using Nemesis

And it is better

But I still don't like the sword much

[spare flare]

I don't remember who asked about Arctic Blast, but if you combine it with Frozen Touch, it's exactly that much revenge damage with every single hit. I have Epics of both, Lv2 Frozen Touch (random boost via Vintage Nectar), so that's 128 damage per hit to anyone that hits me. Pretty sure that Arctic Blast is AOE, too.

[robust anchor]

for the satyr tunnels, how many chambers does each tunnel have

[tranquil violet]

Sword update: I do like Arthur

It's fun

Oh come on

I turn on EM and immediately get all three Furies

:<

[brisk trench]

Does Curse of Drowning and Freezing shot stack?

Blizzard shot*

[tranquil violet]

Oh I see it's just Tis supporting

Wait no I spoke too soon

It's all of them

[near bluff]

Is the ||adamant rail|| considered to be top tier?

I have done one run with it so far and was horrible with it. About to do another since I am gonna get extra darkness

[robust anchor]

eris rail is very popular

[placid topaz]

the rail's special is pretty awesome

[near bluff]

I do like its special quite a lot but it definitely is gonna take a lot of practice to aim quickly

Yeah I was commenting on that special just as you mentioned it. Its fire!

Stygius and the bow are probably my favorites with the sbkdld being close

Gotta learn ||the twin fists|| better

[storm axle]

Why spoiler tag that?

[near bluff]

What's everyone's favorites?

You dont see the two I spoiled at the very beginning of the game

You can only see stygius, the bow, shield, the spear

[storm axle]

True but it's maybe a few runs in

[cunning urchin]

Spoilers are okay in this channel. Though of course, you can still spoiler-tag if you want.

[near bluff]

Just trying to be courteous

[primal hazel]

Chaos shield, chiron bow

[near bluff]

Yehh I'm finna do it mayn

[primal hazel]

I'm the single target damage boi

[near bluff]

Players from all points in the game's progression probably come to this channel

[cunning urchin]

Eris and Hestia are top tier. Eris is easily #1.

[primal hazel]

Also technically only post styx is spoiler but I appreciate the courteousness

[cunning urchin]

There's #h1-for-new-players specifically for new players, though.

[near bluff]

I looooove the shield

[primal hazel]

Hestia is top tier? Doesn't it heavily fall off in high heats?

[brisk trench]

I really wish we could see Hammer upgrades on the weapon screen of the codex

[cunning urchin]

Maybe at like 50+? Hestia is #1 in boss fights.

[near bluff]

This might be very, very foolish but I practically never use the cast

[primal hazel]

Huh good to know
Was heading something else lol

[near bluff]

Like, truly never

[cunning urchin]

@brisk trench Amir said in #test-branch-discussion that they have no plans for that, unfortunately.

[brisk trench]

That really really sucks

[near bluff]

I dont see the point. It's more work than it's worth to retrieve the anmo

[brisk trench]

Cast more

[magic steppe]

Why not

[near bluff]

Why?

[brisk trench]

There are benefits to casting in the mirror

[magic steppe]

It seems very intuitive to have all the boons listed and their requirements

[brisk trench]

And cast is high dps genuinely

[near bluff]

Yeah for sure but why is casting good

[magic steppe]

Y not the weapon upgrades as well

[near bluff]

Really?

More than the actual weapons themselves?

[cunning urchin]

Even with no mirror, casts stun enemies and most have some minor homing that points you to off-screen enemies.

The damage is also nice even without any cast boon.

[near bluff]

I haven't even tried a single cast boon and I'm 24 runs deep haha

[brisk trench]

Most of the boon casts are really good

Pick up trippy shot

[near bluff]

Wait it stuns?????

Hahahahaha

[brisk trench]

Yes cast causes hit stun

[near bluff]

That's what the kids call an epic fail

[storm axle]

You can weave casts into most combos

[near bluff]

(Better call saul reference for ya)

[cunning urchin]

It's enough to safely get you into melee range.

[storm axle]

especially if using the sword or any melee weapon

[brisk trench]

On Zag rail is Explosive Fire preferred or Flurry Fire? With Tempest Strike

[near bluff]

It sounds extremely useful for boss fights

[brisk trench]

Well vs bosses the cast causes either +damage or +defense for a long period of time as well

(assuming you have mirror)

[near bluff]

Can you stun ||hydra's main head|| when its invulnerable?

[brisk trench]

No

[near bluff]

In assuming not

Yeah

Still tho

[cunning urchin]

You can't hit-stun bosses, so actually no lol. But it's still good for the damage or debuff and a lot of cast boons offer some other utility.

[near bluff]

Aw man

That would have been an extremely useful utility for all the other heads

[cunning urchin]

It's a very short stun, but it's enough to interrupt enemies for a short moment.

[tranquil violet]

Ooh

[cunning urchin]

You also can't stun enemies that have armor.

[tranquil violet]

The meme crystals work with Aura nicely

[near bluff]

Ah ok re: armor

[cunning urchin]

That makes anti-armor hammer upgrades very important.

[near bluff]

What would you say is/are the best keepsake(s)?

[primal hazel]

Acorn

[near bluff]

I love lucky tooth, old spiked collar, and skull earring

[brisk trench]

Acorn 100%

I also like Plume a lot

[storm axle]

Speed runners use god mode, right?

[primal hazel]

But it's important to use gods keepsakes for builds in early game

[cunning urchin]

No, speedrunners don't use God Mode.

[untold vortex]

nope god mode is explicitly banned

[storm axle]

Are u sure?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[untold vortex]

yes

[near bluff]

||who gives acorn? I do suggest a spoiler tag on this ond||

[storm axle]

How do you get hit a 4 by a spike trap then

[untold vortex]

you'd know

[primal hazel]

Are you serious m8

Athena boin

[untold vortex]

Bronze skin

[storm axle]

I swear I didnt see him get defensive boons

[primal hazel]

God mode in speedrunning
Nice

[near bluff]

Ah ok

[storm axle]

Bro it's a setting in game for 20% damage reduction

I'm not talking invincibility lol

[brisk trench]

@near bluff ||Eurydice||

[near bluff]

Then I've got it I think

[untold vortex]

yes, it also tells you in game if you're using god mode

[near bluff]

Oh no I dont

[untold vortex]

it's incredibly obvious if someone is using it

[near bluff]

I was gonna hit them up next

So I'll have it soon

[rare kayak]

it also shows on victory screen

[untold vortex]

yep that too

[rare kayak]

if you activated on any point in the run

[untold vortex]

so unless you're claiming splicing speedrunners have never used god mode

[rare kayak]

not that id know because im a pro tm hades player who never activates godmode

[untold vortex]

as again it's explicitly banned

[cunning urchin]

Spike Traps do 15 damage. Common Sure Footing reduces trap damage by 60%. 60% of 15 is 9. Mystery solved.

[primal hazel]

It's explicitly for lowering the challenge

And is and outside mode

Also 80%

[storm axle]

no spikes hit 5s Lol

[near bluff]

For some reason I've had bad luck with encountering ||Eurydice||

[rare kayak]

well if you got enough people together you might be able to start god mode% but itll prolly be unofficial category unless you can explain how it changes the run significantly enough to be a separate category

[cunning urchin]

Oh right, they hit 5 lol. 25 with HS.

[near bluff]

It very rarely happens for me

[storm axle]

Yeah, so I just figured since I saw 4 it must mean god mode

but I guess he had bronze skin and it rounded down?

[cunning urchin]

Bronze Skin shouldn't affect trap damage.

[primal hazel]

As stated
If someone uses god mode it's clearly displayed in game

Clearer than bronze skin

[storm axle]

Where is it displayed?

everytime they get hit or something?

[untold vortex]

boon menu

[primal hazel]

Or what's the -trap damage boon name

[rare kayak]

just start a god mode run

[cunning urchin]

Sure Footing.

[untold vortex]

sure footing

[brisk trench]

Sure Footing

[rare kayak]

you’ll see

[primal hazel]

Yeah that it

[near bluff]

I'm proud to say that I've never used God Mode

[primal hazel]

You led me astray aggy

[cunning urchin]

But Sure Footing doesn't reduce trap damage by 20%. Hmmm.

[rare kayak]

ive used it a couple of times when starting the game

[primal hazel]

There's no shame In it

[tranquil violet]

I think I took my first step to gitting gud

[rare kayak]

and yeah theres no shame in using god mode lol

[tranquil violet]

I'm now 3 deep in a win streak and am at Styx with Arthur on EM (both first time)

[rare kayak]

although i do wonder why the boon’s called deus ex machina when theres no machines

[untold vortex]

actually @storm axle you have a link to this speedrun?

[cunning urchin]

Must have been Positive Outlook or High Tolerance.

[storm axle]

Finding the spot w/ the spike trap

[primal hazel]

Combination?

[near bluff]

I would imagine it is fun if you're in the mood for a more casual game experience (but usually when I'm in the mood for something like that I'll just play pokemon sword tbh)

[storm axle]

Ahh wait I'm an idiot, he stood on the trap, used his special and dashed off

and it was his chaos boon hitting him 4 for his special

[rare kayak]

lmao

[storm axle]

right when the trap went off lmao

[cunning urchin]

lol

[near bluff]

I've been on hades nonstop since I bought it a few days ago lol

[rare kayak]

also cast staggers through armor? never noticed that

[near bluff]

This game rips

[primal hazel]

Massive bruh moment xD

[cunning urchin]

Epic Positive Outlook is 20% global damage reduction, anyway. So that would be 4 damage from spike traps. Assuming it does work on traps, I never tested it.

[rare kayak]

personally i have never taken any damage ever so i wouldnt know

[near bluff]

What?

[primal hazel]

Ok I. Believe you

[near bluff]

Lol

[cunning urchin]

Positive Outlook and High Tolerance are the only boons that are "Damage Resistance: +X%", anyway, instead of "Reduced Damage from Foes" or whatever.

[near bluff]

Has there been anyone that escaped on the first run with nine damage taken, yet?

[cunning urchin]

I, too, have never taken damage unwillingly. Clearly, this damage I took was entirely from Chaos Gates. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/764344892267823144/Hades_769.png?width=838&height=471

[primal hazel]

Specific

Maybe start a 9dmg% run

Jk

[near bluff]

I am in no way even remotely as good as you are ar rvhs fans ahahaa

[primal hazel]

What

[near bluff]

Lame typo

[primal hazel]

You know you can edit?

[cunning urchin]

What is ar rvhs?

[near bluff]

Typing on my phone and it sucks. My laptop is in for repairs

[cunning urchin]

I know VHS.

[near bluff]

Yeah I know, I edited it :)

[primal hazel]

I'm always typing from phone

[near bluff]

Thank you though

[primal hazel]

Can't read

[near bluff]

I feel like my thumbs are too pudgy. I just have wide/thick fingers / palms / feet

[cunning urchin]

@primal hazel I'm well aware of that.

[primal hazel]

I still don't get the "ar rvhs can" lart

Same man

[cunning urchin]

ar rvhs = or have

[primal hazel]

Well some people don't

Big ego

[brisk trench]

I think I just lost a rail run to anvil rng

[primal hazel]

Never
Use anvil

Don't make me unhappy

[near bluff]

What's the current speed run record, out of curiosity

[cunning urchin]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[primal hazel]

Big dumb comment here

[near bluff]

And is there a preferred weapon among all speed runners?

[cunning urchin]

No, not speedruns.

[brisk trench]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades

Oh lol

[primal hazel]

Well don't mind me then

[cunning urchin]

Eris is #1 for speedruns.

I do mind you.

[near bluff]

7 minutes........ lol

[storm axle]

i'm confused

that website isnt up to date

some1 posted a 6:46

6:45*

[cunning urchin]

It's not. Verifying results takes a bit.

[primal hazel]

Im assuming it has to be approved

[near bluff]

That's ridiculous.

[brisk trench]

It takes time to be approved yeah, thats how all the games work on speedruns.co

[cunning urchin]

There have been 2 or 3 sub-7 clears, as far as I know, yeah.

[tranquil violet]

What's new with Hades in EM?

[near bluff]

I wonder if someone will crack 5 minutes at some point

[primal hazel]

Find out yourself
It's fun

[near bluff]

What's em?

[cunning urchin]

The same people who are verifying runs are probably busy breaking their own sub-7 records lol.

[primal hazel]

Extreme Measures

Pact option

[tranquil violet]

Makes bosses harder by adding moves

[near bluff]

Lemme Google it brb

[cunning urchin]

Sub-5 is probably only realistic with routing.

[tranquil violet]

I figure it's the best pact item to start with

As I'll need to just git gud at the new patterns anyways

[cunning urchin]

There have been fully routed sub-5 runs before 1.0.

[primal hazel]

There are easier but Em1 and 2 are fine

[compact storm]

@compact storm in-depth heat discussion is better in this channel. Lambent Plume is perfectly viable for 15–20 Heat, yes. I've used it at 32 Heat and at 40 Heat, in fact.
@cunning urchin
I just saw your message.
Thanks for the heads up, and confirmation that it is viable. I was not really asking for an in-depth discussion, just wondering whether overall Plume was viable at higher heat, but sorry if that was inappropriate! : )

[tranquil violet]

What are some good Arthur builds?

I'm running a boring Poseidon one currently

Seems like Demeter cast synergizes nicely?

[near bluff]

Has supergiant confirmed whether or not rbeh will be expanding the game further with new content?

Or is it probably done

[brisk trench]

Is there a TAS for Hades yet?

[near bluff]

What's tas

[cunning urchin]

They have not. They're finishing up 1.0 and then taking a break.

[near bluff]

Sorry for all the questions

[primal hazel]

Go aphro/artemis with heart rend

[brisk trench]

Tool Assisted Speedrun

[cunning urchin]

And anything after that, they'll figure out then. They have no plans post 1.0.

[near bluff]

Oh ok

[primal hazel]

That's what this discord is for my man

[brisk trench]

Basically the game is played 1 frame at a time and then played back in real time

[near bluff]

And anything after that, they'll figure out then. They have no plans post 1.0.
@cunning urchin okay cool

[brisk trench]

Theyre usually used to sus out what a "perfect" run could look like

[cunning urchin]

1 frame at a time; my game runs at 400+ fps. Hell naw.

[near bluff]

Well the break is certainly well-earned

[tranquil violet]

Nyaanyaa actually runs the game loop, not just display, at 400hz

We're all playing in slow motion to her

[rare kayak]

nyaanyaa actually clears the game in 400 frames

[brisk trench]

Do... 400hz displays exist?

[cunning urchin]

Probably.

My superduper gaming monitor only runs at 144 Hz. Both of them.

[near bluff]

They made it so that I'm gonna actively seek out and try every game that they have ever made

[tranquil violet]

There are 360hz monitors for esports pros

Which is pretty silly

[near bluff]

This is the first supergiant game I've played

[tranquil violet]

And there are 400hz TVs

[cunning urchin]

Oh wow, you're gonna love the others.

[brisk trench]

I guess instead of every frame its "every possible instant you could input a command" which probably isnt 400+ times a second

[tranquil violet]

I've played all of them except Pyre

Unsure about that one but maybe I'll check it out

[storm axle]

Why not just turn on v sync then, prevent your gpu from doing all that work

[near bluff]

Would you say that this is their best tho?

[cunning urchin]

which probably isnt 400+ times a second
Is that a challenge?

[brisk trench]

So far the only reason Ive bought the games is 100% cause of the music and then Ive ended up enjoying the games lmao

[near bluff]

I'd be very surprised if they have made anything better

This is very hard to top

[cunning urchin]

Pyre has my favorite SGG character, so Pyre is the best.

[brisk trench]

Oh right

Swearing

[cunning urchin]

Blood and Darkness!

[near bluff]

Lol

[tranquil violet]

Gameplay wise this is my favorite to date.

But Bastion and Transistor are also great.

And feel a bit more musically focused?

[brisk trench]

I mean if there are 400 ticks in a game second Id be shook honestly

[near bluff]

Transistor looks awesome

[tranquil violet]

The music in Hades is great don't get me wrong, but I feel like it goes into the background a bit more.

[brisk trench]

Transistor is very cool

[untold vortex]

the ost isn't the focal point

[tranquil violet]

Yeah that's a good way to put it

Whereas with Bastion I was so busy jamming out I died repeatedly

[brisk trench]

Transistor has some of the best music so far. Pyre is unique in the way it handles its music afaik due to the main conceit of the game

[untold vortex]

unlike something like transistor where the ost is very much a focal point

[tranquil violet]

Transistor OST I like even more though yeah

[cunning urchin]

@untold vortex now you made Orpheus sad.

[near bluff]

I think that the music in this is perfect for the specific context of what this game is setting out to be

[brisk trench]

Orpheus can get more sad?

[untold vortex]

Orpheus was already sad

[tranquil violet]

He already did that to himself

[brisk trench]

Man he made even Apollo depressed with his music, and that dude is the god of song

[cunning urchin]

No, he was happy just singing his songs. But then you dissed him.

[brisk trench]

Technically a snake made orpheus sad

[cunning urchin]

@brisk trench wow, that's low. Smh.

[near bluff]

Do all their games relatively have the same type of gameplay?

[tranquil violet]

As for OSTs though the counterpoint twist in Bastion was top notch

[brisk trench]

Yesn't

[tranquil violet]

The combined theme of Zia and Wulf I mean

[cunning urchin]

I'll 1v1 you in Hades for that. See me in the courtyard. 🛡️

[brisk trench]

BET

[tranquil violet]

Both great themes alone but when they come together

[brisk trench]

Prepare to win

[tranquil violet]

Ooh mama

[untold vortex]

I'd never say red could sing Orpheus under the table, but Red could probably sing Orpheus under the table

[brisk trench]

Red cant sing anyone under the table anymore

[tranquil violet]

Grant me the Aspect of Red

[untold vortex]

Orpheus is still a significantly better than me at singing though

(because it's Darren and he's incredible)

[near bluff]

Bastion looks like it plays a little too rough around the edges to me, with respect to gameplay

[errant narwhal]

aggy, why pit two legends against each other....

[untold vortex]

better yet, have them sing together :3

[cunning urchin]

This is getting so off-topic, and all because of @untold vortex the mod.

[untold vortex]

oh lol

something about hades and building combat

[tranquil violet]

Put a pact of punishment on Aggy

Has to speedrun modding now

[cunning urchin]

How do you build combat?

[tranquil violet]

Well it starts from letters

[near bluff]

Looks a little clunky. Which is to be expected. It came out 7 years ago, improvement on gameplay mechanics (and everything else, really) is inevitable

[brisk trench]

I have spreadshot and the self damaging Q, gods help me

[tranquil violet]

Hades does feel like in many ways it took the best of Bastion and Transistor and refined it a bit

[brisk trench]

How do I win this run

[tranquil violet]

Minus the turn() gimmick and such

[near bluff]

(I'm messaging slowly sorry... extremely tired lol)

[cunning urchin]

@brisk trench just get Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike.

[brisk trench]

Too late Im facing hades with tempest strike

[tranquil violet]

The basic formula from Bastion and the systemic upgrade elements from Transistor in particular

[untold vortex]

it's very much a conglomeration of all their experience with bastion, transistor and pyre

[brisk trench]

Pepega

[near bluff]

I made it off topic

[cunning urchin]

Well, that also works.

Any +% is fine really.

[brisk trench]

Downside: No +vs boss or rupture boon

[tranquil violet]

Just remember the trick to not dying

Don't get hit

[near bluff]

It's my fault... started asking about their other games. My b

[brisk trench]

Oh right easy

[near bluff]

it's very much a conglomeration of all their experience with bastion, transistor and pyre
@untold vortex cool

Yeah that's what I figured

[brisk trench]

I took ||blossom|| as a keepsake this run and my tempest strike is heroic so I think Ill be fine?

[cunning urchin]

Not getting hit is particulary useful when trying to not die.

[near bluff]

This is probably the game I'm gonna like the most

[tranquil violet]

Don't miss out on Transistor at least

It's a gorgeous game

[near bluff]

I am gonna try them all

[brisk trench]

Rule 1: Dont Get hit
Rule 2: Hit it very hard

[tranquil violet]

Visual and audio design are on point

Bastion has the narrator

[near bluff]

Definitely transistor and pyre to be sure

[tranquil violet]

Who honestly makes the game

[near bluff]

100%

[tranquil violet]

Even if the combat sucked the narrator is enough

But it doesn't

[near bluff]

I've heard that about the narration

[tranquil violet]

Bastion also has Spike in a Rail

Which is pure hype

https://youtu.be/gQWAcgefsQQ

[near bluff]

The concept of how they utilized narration in that game, to me, employs the same type of ingenuity that was utilized to make disco elysium

[untold vortex]

Logan Cunningham aka, The Narrator

[cunning urchin]

@brisk trench dunno. Tempest Strike pom and rarity scaling suck, so those poms and heroic rarity probably don't do much lol. You might be getting about Lv.2 Epic Heartbreak Strike damage with that Heroic Tempest Strike of yours if the level is high enough lol.

[near bluff]

Honestly, hades is extremely well written and that reminds me of disco elysium as a result

[tranquil violet]

It says a lot that in Hades I never want to skip dialogue

It's always fresh

[near bluff]

Yep

[tranquil violet]

The lack of repetitive dialogue prompts is actually really ingenious

[near bluff]

And always pet cerberus

[tranquil violet]

It first the roguelike genre really well

[cunning urchin]

Lv.8–9 Heroic Tempest Strike does about as much damage as Lv.2 Epic Heartbreak Strike lol.

[tranquil violet]

But it's also just like...

So much work

[brisk trench]

@cunning urchin thats admittedly very disappointing

[tranquil violet]

All that writing and all those voice overs

Must have taken forever

[near bluff]

Never ever do you not per Cerebus

Shame on anyone who doesn't between every single run

[opal lodge]

they recorded over 180 voice lines for tisiphone

LOL

[tranquil violet]

You have been visited by the unpetted Cerberus. Reply PET and repost in three channels or the Fates will doom your next ten runs.

[stuck bobcat]

I have no clue what Maim scales from
On paper it should scale from crit and Privileged Status...
but in this run it hit hades for over 1,8k

without crit

[near bluff]

How many different ways can you say murder over and over lollll

[opal lodge]

murrrrderr?

[near bluff]

That's amazing

[fair cairn]

alternate the amount of r's and d's

[brisk trench]

I lost, Im not very good with spread shot

[tranquil violet]

Petition to add #hades-tisi-chat

All chat must be variation on muuuurrrrddderrr?

Mm-mmurder!

[near bluff]

My respect for these devs just keeps increasing the more that I hear tbh

[stuck bobcat]

mrrrrrrrrr

[tranquil violet]

SGG strikes me as a very design focused studio/company

Also Transistor and Hades very clearly borrow from the board game world

[cunning urchin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEFvL9U4AAFxM1?format=jpg&name=large https://twitter.com/uketamawawryyyy/status/1315338915671240704/photo/4

[tranquil violet]

In a good way

[near bluff]

I can see that now that you make that remark regarding board games

[tranquil violet]

Reminds me of say, Race for the Galaxy, or similar engine building games

[near bluff]

Very true

[tranquil violet]

You're alternating making choices as to what reward to get and picking upgrades that synergize nicely

[worn citrus]

Stygian or Infernal soul for Hera?

[wet rivet]

do you need all dis boons for the legendary or something? I thought it was just either one of the att,spc,dash + cast?

[tranquil violet]

Except instead of being a calculation like a board game, you actually have to use your "deck"

[wet rivet]

I've done so many runs trying to get it now without any luck

[near bluff]

If sgg made a chrono trigger type arpg it would be one of the best games ever made

Ez

[wet rivet]

I literally build around increasing the chances to get it

[near bluff]

I recently got hit with a couple of really awesome defensive boons

[opal lodge]

i like infernal for hera just for the ultra burst shot

[near bluff]

One that caused deflect if you were attacked shortly after you landed an attack yourself

[opal lodge]

but im sure you could make an argument that stygian is better

[near bluff]

I forget the name.

[cunning urchin]

I think you mean Holy Shield.

After you take damage, damage nearby foes and briefly Deflect.

[near bluff]

And I don't even remember the other one that I am trying to remember.. honestly tho that one upgrade for stygius that causes you to jump when performing a special attack is fantastic

Yeah holy shield

[cunning urchin]

That's Dash Nova.

The upgrade of Stygius.

[near bluff]

Yep

It combines dashing with the special essentially and that special is excellent

[cunning urchin]

You can use Special > Dash, actually.

[near bluff]

I honestly think that combo is op

[cunning urchin]

Even double or triple dash.

Without the upgrade.

[near bluff]

Especially when mixed with any heroic boon that causes an effect with increased damage for the special

[fierce thicket]

I hate dash nova

[tranquil violet]

Which companion should I try to get first?

[cunning urchin]

He'll slam the sword into the ground at the end of your Dashes.

[near bluff]

And double special upgrade on top

Op.

That's what I had last run, with hermes' increased special speed and holy shield. I really should have gotten an escape out of that run

[tranquil violet]

"What time is it? That's right! Rug switching time!"

Cracked me up way more than it should

[near bluff]

My epic special attack increase + weakness effect was leveled up to 5

[tranquil violet]

For real though which companion should I try to get first?

[near bluff]

I haven't run I to that line yet

But I'm guessing its dura

I believe her name is

Companion???

Dang that's post-ending isnt it. I should leave

[opal lodge]

get meg

or than

[near bluff]

Didnt know there were companions

[cunning urchin]

That's why there's the #h1-for-new-players channel. It's free of spoilers.

[opal lodge]

than just has a weird delay

[near bluff]

That's awesome

Its fine

[opal lodge]

if you're really gigabraining it

[near bluff]

I'm not worried about it

[opal lodge]

sisyphus drops meta rewards

[near bluff]

When the spoilers pertain to gameplay mechanics that come up I'm ok. Story spoilers suck tho

Story spoilers beyond simple quotes, I mean

[cunning urchin]

Companion unlocks are unrelated to the ending. They just take awhile.

[near bluff]

Word

[opal lodge]

yeah just make fwens

[near bluff]

I would go murder chick

Just because she is so creepy and weird

[tranquil violet]

But which one is worth getting first?

In terms of utility?

[opal lodge]

meg the professional

[near bluff]

I hope dusa is an option hahaha

[opal lodge]

in terms of raw damage i think than is highest but his casts with a delay iirc

[near bluff]

She would clean house I would reckon

[opal lodge]

meg is 1k damage last but casts almost instantly in a row

*less

[tranquil violet]

I'd want a good balance between not whiffing and being powerful

Like maybe the second most raw power

So it's not just total <redacted> in terms of whiffing all the time

[opal lodge]

the damage with than will land if you get used to the delay

megs is most utility for miniboss fights and the such

[tranquil violet]

I guess I'll do Meg? Or Than? Idk

[cunning urchin]

Antos.

[opal lodge]

esp witches in asphodel if youre going for a fast clear

[tranquil violet]

Achilles is pretty chill tho

[solid grail]

Could someone please explain how the Merciful End Duo Ability works? I am having a hard time getting my head around it and what it means by combo damage?

[untold vortex]

combo damage is extra damage on top

and Merciful end is Doom instantly triggers when you hit (an enemy afflicted with doom) with an ability that can deflect

[solid grail]

@untold vortex thank you very much

[untold vortex]

no worries ^_^

[left peak]

Hi, guys

I have basic bow

https://i.imgur.com/P7h6Vrn.png

Which one of these do you recommend

[cunning urchin]

What hammer upgrades do you have?

[stuck bobcat]

Why Eris exists?

[cunning urchin]

?

Because?

[stuck bobcat]

it's stupid how powerfull +75% flat damage is

[cunning urchin]

% is not flat damage. It's additive damage, though.

I imagine there'll be some fine-tuning.

If not, doesn't matter ultimately. One aspect will inevitably be the best.

[untold vortex]

flat damage would be something like a hypothetical effect that's "x thing increases base attack by +y%/flat number"

[cunning urchin]

Flat damage is just an actual damage number without any %.

+75% of 100 damage is different from +75% of 200 damage.

But +75 damage is always the same. That's flat damage.

[stuck bobcat]

why nerf chiron when you have something like eris thogh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[loud latch]

nerf everything

remove athena dash

[stuck bobcat]

calm down satan

[spare flare]

@tranquil violet Shady. Bouldy hits for 1k, and you get healing, money, and darkness.

Being able to save a DD for later because of that healing has tremendous value.

[loud latch]

also dropping a rock on someone gives flavourpoints

[rare kayak]

hangover attack on bow

dont think ive tried that

whats it like

[fierce thicket]

Bad

[rare kayak]

heh

@solid grail to note, although the athena side prerequisite for merciful end is attack or special, it works with any deflect, cast, dash etc

maybe even the revenge boon but i havent tried

[spiral tree]

top 3 casts?

[rare kayak]

ehhhhh

poseidon, dionysus, sometimes ares if im feeling silly

[spiral tree]

silly?

ares damage is good

but it is slow

I like art's cast more than before

[rare kayak]

ya but ares has to go a little harder than the rest to get good

[spiral tree]

?

[rare kayak]

base ares is meh for me

[spiral tree]

oh you mean you need to upgrade it a lot to make it good

[rare kayak]

need supporting boons

yep

[spiral tree]

I don't think anyone can argue pos cast is the best

[rare kayak]

dio is better at max potential i think

[spiral tree]

I don't know the numbers off hand but it just seems poseidons cast does wayyy more damage than any other

am I imagining this?

[rare kayak]

ice wine + scintillating feast is strong enough to carry

even with one cast charge stygian soul

[wide plover]

I had some easy times with blizzard shot or just poseidon cast on achilles

[rare kayak]

admittedly i dont really like dionysus base cast very much for damage because its hard to time but the festive fog stuns are dummy strong

[spiral tree]

yeah

[fossil compass]

I'm still struggling to get a good shield build... I'm using zag aspect, and has had success with zeus on special, but not much else. Poseidon knockback build on attack works except for bosses, which then becomes kinda worthless. Any idea of what's a good shield build that's not beowulf?

[wide plover]

hera with trippy shot is pretty easy mode, at least on low heat

[spiral tree]

fog stuns everything

even bosses

[rare kayak]

ice wine pretty much fixes any issues i have with it since its instant

and scintillating just gives a lot of damage

ares gets very silly also though

if you can manage it

ive only had hunting + legendary

[spiral tree]

lightning rod might be the best duo in the game

[rare kayak]

nope

[spiral tree]

it kills everything free while you just have to run around

no muss

no fuss

[rare kayak]

aphro + zeus dup

duo

merciful end

both are mega strong boons thatcan carry

[spiral tree]

yeah

lol

[rare kayak]

at the very least those two are better than lightning rod

[spiral tree]

anytime I get either I am 90% guaranteed to beat EM4 hades

i dont know about better

[worn citrus]

Merciful end is so damn strong

[spiral tree]

lightning rod literally kills everything while you at full screen away dodging

[rare kayak]

yeah but merciful output so much damn damage

[spiral tree]

i only got it a couple times

[rare kayak]

and the zeus aphro duo gives tons of iframes

[spiral tree]

i run athena attack on arthur

[worn citrus]

Got Zeus + Dio duo when I ran Hera bow. And then I got Zeus legendary and double chance on that. Was nice.

[rare kayak]

especially with a poseidon call

[spiral tree]

OP as heck

ok so with athena attack where does ares boon go

special?

arthur rarely uses special

so not much doom activation

[worn citrus]

Merciful end not so good on arthur, I think

I like it on zeus shield

[rare kayak]

typically merciful setup is ares on whichever is faster, athena on the other then deflect dash

[worn citrus]

Deflect on special and ares on hit

So it procs whenever I hit.

[rare kayak]

or yeah with zeus shield

[spiral tree]

i think athena miiiiight have taken out aph as #1 God

[rare kayak]

arthur too slow to show merciful power

[spiral tree]

divine dash is great

but divine strike is better

the way deflecting with attack works is different than deflecting with dash

it's hard to explain

[worn citrus]

Prefer aphro on arthur. Can't deflect Hades' attacks

[spiral tree]

true

I struggle with the choice

i always thought aph was best

but athena is perfect

aura slows everything

so just play baseball and atack it back

weak is the best ability in general tho right?

30% reduction is so good

[worn citrus]

Yeah

[spiral tree]

how do you add the reduction with arthur?

[worn citrus]

Especially if you get the boon where you do more damage to weakened enemies

[spiral tree]

heart rend?

[worn citrus]

I think so

[spiral tree]

more crit to weak

[rare kayak]

aphro is also strong because her scaling is very good

best in the game

[worn citrus]

It's not quite linear but it is quite a bit

[rare kayak]

i think

[spiral tree]

yeah damage is insane

especially on arthur

[rare kayak]

heart rend is only crits do more damage

[spiral tree]

I havent tried other weapons that much just a little

[rare kayak]

jirwe thinking of sweet surrender

[spiral tree]

I love arthur soo much

[worn citrus]

I have learned to love arthur aspect. Can't go back to toothpick swords now.

[spiral tree]

after I master arthur and go to high heat

I will go to next weapon

[rare kayak]

idk im fan of nemesis even though i die more often

[spiral tree]

I hear guan yu special is amazing

[rare kayak]

gy hitbox is dummy thiccccc

[worn citrus]

Compared to the rest of the weapon yeah :P

[spiral tree]

I want to make spin to win guan yu work tho

=/

[worn citrus]

Dunno what to build on it tho

[rare kayak]

u wanna play spin spear

play hades aspect

[worn citrus]

Aphro special?

[rare kayak]

ya aphro special + charged skewer

ez 500 damage

[worn citrus]

Big number good

[rare kayak]

at very safe distances

[spiral tree]

I'm only on heat 13 with arthur tho

EM4 hades is my road block

=/

only beat him like 3 times so far out of a dozen tries

[worn citrus]

Lambent Plume?

[rare kayak]

its what i used for the than achievement

because u can just bombard everyone from a safe distance

[worn citrus]

I just used Chiron Bow.

[spiral tree]

I'll try gy special build after I get bored with arthur

I like sticking with 1 weapon

rather than jumping around

when I feel I mastered it then I'll move on and master another

[rare kayak]

i just go one to the right after every run

im comfortable enough to beat heat 16 zagspect every weapon so now im just branching iut to other aspects

or maybe 15? im outrn dont remember my heat layouts

[red mist]

I'm at 40 heat playing zeus eris

I have epic attack

ares or demeter?

[rare kayak]

hell if i know youre in unchartered territory for me

[red mist]

well there's nothing novel about zeus eris builds even at high heat

[rare kayak]

maybe demeter for cold fusion potential

[red mist]

yeah I suppose that's better than ares

[rare kayak]

plus slowing down enemies helps land special i suppose

if eris is worried about landing special

[worn citrus]

Only on yourself

[red mist]

hmm is it ever worth rerolling here

I got dash (garbage), nourishing soul (garbage), revenge (garbage)

[rare kayak]

lmao

[worn citrus]

I guess if I had to pick one it'd be nourish

[drifting vale]

Do you want something from dem

[rare kayak]

that reminds me i should do a proper 32 heat run again

the only one i did was chaos zeus cheese

[red mist]

the only slightly attractive dem option is duo boon, but that's not even that good

we pew pew so hard that jolted doesn't do very much

[drifting vale]

Probably just nourishing then

[rare kayak]

back when chaos was op as heck

[red mist]

rare crop seems good on paper but I can't sell that

[drifting vale]

Rare crop is v strong

Free heroics

[red mist]

I'm on UC, I could get caught selling a boon I want

attack's already epic, don't need that risk

[drifting vale]

Understandable

[cunning urchin]

You're better off asking for help with high heat in the channel for high heat. Most people here have never done high heat.

[red mist]

hah

[rare kayak]

correct

like ive said the only high heat run ive ever done was 32 chaos zeus special

then after that i did a 0 heat run to detox and died to theseus

because i have no clue how to deal with non em theseus

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, and for the most frequent posters in #h1-high-heat-strategies, 32 Heat is "I want to do something relaxing and just get the win and mess around with silly builds" lol.

[spiral tree]

@cunning urchin ....that was the apple air pods of posts

[rare kayak]

?????

is this gex

[wide plover]

what does "apple air pods of..." mean?

[solid cairn]

Yeah, and for the most frequent posters in #h1-high-heat-strategies, 32 Heat is "I want to do something relaxing and just get the win and mess around with silly builds" lol.
Nice flex

[spiral tree]

^

@wide plover a joke, grim got it

[rare kayak]

this is like having dinner at lord uncle zeus’ house in the 1930s

[cold mason]

when is damage percent calculated? Ie if I'm using Eris, and I put a stack of doom on an enemy set to deal 100dmg, but then before it goes off I get the 75% damage boost from Eris' special... does the doom do 175?

or do I have to apply the stack before getting the damage boost?

[spare flare]

Doom just isn't affected by boosts. Flat damage is flat.

[solid cairn]

Wrong I think

[spare flare]

I haven't noticed it. I could be wrong. Feel free to test.

[solid cairn]

Preeeety sure it affects Zeus flat damage so I don’t see why doom would be any different

[barren otter]

pretty sure Eris has a global damage bonus and affects everything.

[spare flare]

And it doesn't care when you shoot something, only when that something hits, right?

[cunning urchin]

Eris boosts all damage, yes.

I don't know if Doom gets bonus damage if you applied it before getting Eris's buff. Never looked that deep into Eris.

@steady hatch would know something like this.

[spare flare]

Is no one at home to test it?

[steady hatch]

i've been summoned?

afaik damage calculations are made when damage is dealt, not when doom is applied

also global damage modifiers (such as eris buff or billowing strength) increase doom damage

[spare flare]

Okay, neat. Thanks.

[red mist]

does PS apply to doom procs?

[unkempt zephyr]

yup

[cunning urchin]

Thanks!

[red mist]

so ME could go absolutely bananas if they also had exposed

doesn't seem worth it though, as ME already asks for 3 boons to be good

[rare kayak]

so in order to get eris buff to apply to doom you gotta have the buff when its triggered and not when its applied

thats interesting

[cold mason]

So @steady hatch yeah, if I ran doomstacks on eris attack it should do crazy damage right? 👀

okay. just checked and confirmed: eris buff adds even if doom stack was applied before you got the buff

[cunning urchin]

I'm happy with all of the aspects except Sword 1, Fists 4, Rail 1, and Rail 4 feel underwhelming.

But maybe Rail 4 is a lot better with KBM or without aim assist.

[red mist]

Rail 4 as a concept doesn't suck I think

it's just that Eris says "deal 75% more damage"

why take a sidegrade from Rail 1 if you can have a bonkers upgrade that scales zeus

[unkempt zephyr]

Claws 4th fist||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764819599711272960/766657584446439434/Claws4.gif||

[unkempt pagoda]

But maybe Rail 4 is a lot better with KBM or without aim assist.
it's not

[cold mason]

Fists 4 are a lot of fun but they're very boon dependent, for sure. And Rail 1 was good for a while when I was too frustrated to get used to the reload lmao, but now i'm pure Eris

sword 1 is doodoo 100% tho

[unkempt zephyr]

and in My gif i dont crit.But have 28% crit chance. DR +crict chance from Dio+artemis

[red mist]

28% still ain't that hot man

[cold mason]

right no that's what I'm saying, with the right stuff it's amazing but it's super dependent on that right stuff

i will say tho that it benefits the most from attack speed upgrades from hermes

[red mist]

okay I'm probably wrong that's a decent chance

[cold mason]

if you get that 20% speed increase epic so your fists aren't slow as balls, suddenly everything looks much better

[red mist]

they should probably rework sword's base attack lol

problem with that is that it's what new players will be on for 10 runs or so

so it's considerably more work than reworking any other weapon

[cold mason]

sword's fine the basic thing should just be upgrading damage not attack speed which who cares

basic aspect i mean

[red mist]

then it's basically just another nemesis lol

[cold mason]

isn't nemesis crit chance?

[unkempt zephyr]

okay I'm probably wrong that's a decent chance
@red mist When artemis attack and special have only 15 or 20 chance..... my 28 probably looks good.

[cold mason]

been a while, I use arthur the rare times I go stygius

[red mist]

literally the only move combo that matters on zag/nemesis is spam dash strike, do special before/after

[cold mason]

No I know.

what I'm asking though is doesn't nemesis buff crit not damage?

[red mist]

yes, but they're both damage amps