What’s a decent Rama build?
#h1-builds-and-combat
bronze echo
stoic thicket
Aphro attack, Zeus or Dio special, try to get two of Twin Shot / Triple Shot / Point Blank Shot / Chain Shot hammers. That should work out.
mighty ermine
also perfect shot, which is one of rama's best hammers
bronze echo
Alright cool I’ll mess around with some of those tomorrow thanks
unkempt pagoda
there’s an alternate world where flurry rama exists
cloud barn
No, perfect shot is bad because you shouldn’t go for power shots on rama
mighty ermine
you're joking
stoic thicket
Rama still has the longer charging time for Perfect Shot, I've never found that comfortable to use even if the timing is better.
robust anchor
kekw
unkempt pagoda
???
mighty ermine
you should absolutely go for rama power shots, what are you on
stoic thicket
Like, I'm not saying it's bad for power level, just that I personally find it awkward to use.
cloud barn
It’s better to go for close range low charge shots than gambling on power shots
unkempt pagoda
rama power shots are perfectly accomplishable and should be gone for
mighty ermine
power shots are not a gamble though
cloud barn
Because power shots take way too long to use in high heat
mighty ermine
LOL
cloud barn
On Rama
unkempt pagoda
where’s the vid tail
mighty ermine
i cleared 50 with rama in almost under 15 minutes, using power shots, consistently
with perfect shot as my first hammer
cloud barn
Ok
mighty ermine
congrats!
tranquil violet
First success with the weirdest Demeter Malphon build
(Aspect and boons.)
I basically just used Ice Wine and Freezing Chill and camped behind the pillars lol
And the passive healing helped
Did all my damage and healing during his laser
robust anchor
peepohype
unkempt pagoda
demfists are basically just fists+ lol
dodge chance is nice, but if you can already reliably avoid attacks then it’s kinda meh
mighty ermine
yeah, using zag fists just makes me sad that i don't have access to charged uppers
robust anchor
sadge
solid portal
@cloud barn Dem for the win with that call lolololol so good
Anyone have a TLDR on the patch notes? Major nerf or buff that stands out? I've read through them and it seems the bow was gimped a bit.
lean basin
the volley of bow got nerfed, but chiron and charged volley got buffed to compensate. talos got buffed. that it for the weapons pretty much
mellow quest
dash nova hammer still worthless
if you really want to do a dash nova just dash while pressing special anyway
lean basin
minimum range for sniper shot has been decreased if i understand
solid portal
hmmm
mighty ermine
talos bonus went from +40% at max to +50%
solid portal
So with Posideons aspect on sword when it dislodges the red cast do the enemies then not take the bonus damage for being struck by them? i don't get it
talos bonus went from +40% at max to +50%
@mighty ermine That is awesome!
fickle summit
Did a run with Coronacht Rama, honestly really like it, might try to use it to get a better time.
solid portal
I already liked Talos Tail so that's great
mighty ermine
yeah, i think talos does deserve it, even if it's not a massive buff
you're right and you should say it
lean basin
rama good
@mellow quest unless its with tight deadline. felt horrible for me
mighty ermine
just takes practice. rama deals with TD quite well, honestly
mellow quest
my clears are about 1 minute 30 seconds faster on average with rama than other bow aspects so far
fickle summit
Also Artemis + Demeter cast duo worked incredibly.
mellow quest
turns out that having chonky damage from the beginning makes for a faster run and more consistent mid game even with less than desirable boons
fickle summit
Considering you gain damage by % I would think base damage stats would be incredibly important in general.
mighty ermine
yeah, rama is overall incredibly flexible where it matters
tranquil violet
What are some good Chaos boon builds?
I have Demeter and Zeus available to start and opened with Dread Flight
So I guess Zeus?
mellow quest
it's not so much a build so much as it is gettiing thicc modifers off chaos
tranquil violet
Dread Flight + lightning effects sounds nice
mellow quest
my record is 4 attack damage boosts
tranquil violet
Or I could build Arctic Blast again
mighty ermine
oh i think they mean chaos aspect for shield, veritas
tranquil violet
Yeah aspect of Chaos
mellow quest
ah, gotcha
mellow quest
i don't enjoy the chaos aspect much anymore. it's all the boring bits of shield with the same shotgun special sort of deal the bow already has
tranquil violet
Demeter or Zeus?
mellow quest
granted it was op af before they changed it
tranquil violet
I'm thinking Zeus?
tranquil violet
Idk yet
I'm just looking at the doors haha
Watch me not have Zeus special available
mighty ermine
oof
tranquil violet
Well I can always get it at the next one
I guess I'll take strike or dash?
Probably strike to hold out for Athena dash?
mighty ermine
probably cast actually
tranquil violet
Cast is rare so I guess yeah
mighty ermine
to save your attack for a different god
tranquil violet
Aphrodite... heartbreak strike ain't bad at all if I get it
fickle summit
Oh yea I got my first shield win today aswell, it's slow
mighty ermine
zeus is already in your pool guaranteed from that cast, so i'd just take aphro for attack, yeah
mighty ermine
very nice, chaos was incredibly stingy with giving me the waking phrase back when i was trying to unlock it
tranquil violet
"Oh I can tell you almost anything. However I would much prefer you learned most of the answers you seek bt yourself."
Thanks...
And yeah I always run Chaos egg so I probably exhausted most of his pool
And have given him plenty of nectar
But is Beowulf even good 
mighty ermine
@cunning urchin uses beo more than me, and would be able to give a better assessment than me
but yeah i think it's good
different cadence than the other shields overall
tranquil violet
Yeah I will
I have aphro strike, zeus cast, and Athena dash
Which is never a bad mix
mighty ermine
you qualify for smoldering air once you get a call, too
mighty ermine
it's very good, yeah
placid topaz
whats smoldering air?
mighty ermine
call capped to just one lesser, but builds up in 5 seconds automatically
robust anchor
concentrated knuckle is calculated like hoarding slash where it slaps on damage after all other multipliers?
placid topaz
yeah ok that seems pretty good
tranquil violet
Concentrated knuckle + frost + frost go boom at 10 is how I won just now
Well that and ice wine
mighty ermine
concentrated knuckle just adds on to the base damage iirc, with boon modifiers applied afterward
tranquil violet
Really nice with Aspect of Demeter
robust anchor
pogu
empty prairie
Unless I've done the math wrong, in order to max every weapon, your average heat needs to be about 21. Not counting purchases or rewards from fated list/fish. 
mighty ermine
also true
tranquil violet
And I have plenty of money for later
Ah yep
It's Tisiphone and I have Athena dash
Sooo... cakewalk
empty prairie
What's good with Achilles? I've heard Zeus on special?
still vigil
I think ive maxed out almost all of my weapons save a sword and im at 16 heat on my fists so ya might be right owo @empty prairie
still vigil
i like demeter cast with bad news
tranquil violet
Hmm
Maybe I should use my authorities now
I can turn centaur heart into a boon right?
Same with Pom?
tranquil violet
Special isn't as important
Flood Shot + Razor Shoals + Sea Storm
And Static Discharge
Jolt and disrupt everything
Go boom
still vigil
i feel like poseidon is one of those gods if built passively or actively you can get chunks
smoky atlas
tranquil violet
Still no Zeus special
But I do have 475 gold going into Asphodel
Well, second room
Come on Charon...
placid topaz
good luck
smoky atlas
poseidon gang rise up
smoky atlas
if you like cast builds, poseidon cast get along very well with zeus, artermis, demeter
4 gods getting along is unheard of for a bunch of olympians
mighty ermine
@tranquil violet deadly flourish is actually pretty good on chaos now, so if that shows up you could just take it really
smoky atlas
ya know, family and stuffs
tranquil violet
So
Is Deathless Strand just useless?
Ah I didn't take the Artemis boon in the shop
Saving my money
mighty ermine
accidental death stranding joke i like it
tranquil violet
Oh whoops lol
Good thing there's no delivery mission in Hades 😂
Though that would be amusing
Now Deathless Stand or Bronze Skin hmm
Divine Flourish is a pass
mighty ermine
hey if you think about it we are delivering a zagreus to the surface
tranquil violet
But yeah I don't see the use of Deathless Stand at all
3 seconds of extra invincibility when you die is... yeah
Not great
mighty ermine
it's especially useful with SD, since it will just give you an extra if you lose your normal SD before taking the boon
tranquil violet
Well I guess Bronze Skin
It's not great but it doesn't hurt to have
Lost a life in Asphodel
Embarrassing 😦
blissful grail
what are some good guan yu builds?
tranquil violet
Charon come on this time...
Nyanyaa posted a big thing they've linked a few times
@cunning urchin link it for the 10th time this week!
I can't post my screencap :p
Demeter!!!
God damnit
Where is Zeus!
empty prairie
I want to like the spear but it's just so damn underwhelming.
placid topaz
theres a special specific build for guan yu - i cant remember the name of the person who put it together though 😦
tranquil violet
Nooo, spear is so good and fun :<
mighty ermine
which parts are underwhelming to you? or which aspects
tranquil violet
Spear has great options at every range and everything cancels nicely
Only downside is lack of aoe if you don't build for dash attacks imo
Guan Yu spin isn't great
Though the Guan Yu firework IS aoe
empty prairie
All of it, really. Except for the special hammer that gets rid of the return.
tranquil violet
The hitbox is bigger than it looks especially with Poseidon or such
Oh Guan Yu doesn't have a return
It has that built in
empty prairie
Like, the spin is awkward.
mighty ermine
i agree that exploding launcher is by far the best way to play with spear special, yeah
the spin just takes practice and getting used to; it becomes a valuable tool once you get the hang of it
tranquil violet
Guan Yu gives you a firework throw (no return), leeching thrown spin
empty prairie
I'm talking about spear in general. Not just Guan Yu.
tranquil violet
More damage across the board
And you lose a bunch of HP and healing :p
Also a weird chunky spear combo that I can't find a use for
Guan Yu = yeet beam mode
empty prairie
It just seems that spear does a bunch of stuff ok but nothing exceptionally well.
placid topaz
you can get some fun backstab stuff with the 1st aspect 😛
tranquil violet
I find that's not a bad thing though I don't think it's that specialized either
Means you lose much less HP
It works nicely with butterfly
Even I, a scrub, can rack up a lot of butterfly damage with spear
mighty ermine
i guess it depends on the aspect, but achilles is one of the cast kings, while hades punishing sweep shores up any inherent damage weaknesses spear may feel like it has
tranquil violet
Achilles = Gandalf Mode
Guan Yu + Charged Spear = YEET BEEM
I like both with Poseidon cast/special respectively
Knockback plays really nicely with spear because even knocked back enemies are in range of normal attacks
Haven't tried Hades yet
empty prairie
What makes Achilles a cast king?
mighty ermine
4 charges of +150% damage to attacks or casts after using your rush special
tranquil violet
You can easily space yourself out and then wreck everything with buffed casts
In the small Styx rooms it's totally busted
Everything dies
Even not upgraded (+50%) it's good
+150% would be utterly insane though
mighty ermine
ah yeah, i mean +150% at max of course
tranquil violet
Point is the buff gives you 4 ridiculously overpowered attacks which pairs nicely with casts
And the mobility and spacing options also help
Achilles + Chaos Boon on Casts + Poseidon Cast + Razor Shoals + Sea Storm + a bunch of lightning effects =
Everything dies in a few seconds, literally
It's completely busted it you get lucky
Two days ago when I could barely beat Theseus it carried me to Hades second phase
(I got gudder.)
Add on Athena Dash and you're cooking with gas
But Zeus Dash is great too with the above as you jolt everything and it cleans up the small enemies
Spear isn't great with a bunch of small enemies imo
Though the Poseidon cast also handles that but it's a waste of a cast
tranquil violet
I only use it at the end of dashes
Dash into spin is nice
When you dash somewhere not great
Spin could be good with Athena attack
Dash attack is good with Athena
mighty ermine
spin already is good without it lol
empty prairie
Like, all of that is so specific to just make up for its inherent weakness. Because without having quick reload, it becomes a waiting game.
tranquil violet
Not really tbh
Spear is by far the easiest weapon for me
I rarely take any damage in Tartarus with it
And you can just cheese with the throw through Asphodel if you don't have your build yet
barren otter
I recommend going with Abyssal Blood over Boiling Blood with Guan Yu, cause of the reduced health, AB will give you a bit more effective health, especially against bosses.
mighty ermine
that's solid advice honestly, especially ever since abyssal blood got fixed
helps the slowed enemies stay in spin range too, if that's what you're doing
tranquil violet
Area control builds are really nice in this game so far imo
Slowing enemies and stunning them mitigates the chaos of harder chambers
And then you can just pick enemies off
Except I haven't found Demeter spear to work well at all yet
Ice Wine is always nice though
empty prairie
And I just lost in Elysium. :(
First time in like 50 runs that I haven't made it to Styx.
tranquil violet
Hypnos gave me a good tip for Elysium
It was... uh...
Don't get hit so much
I haven't figured it out yet either
The game is really determined to not give me Zeus special
cunning urchin
I'd definitely take Boiling Blood for Guan Yu.
median lintel
which one is that again
cunning urchin
But I would also avoid FO.
Boiling Blood is +50% damage. Abyssal Blood is slow and damage reduction.
tranquil violet
FO is which again?
empty prairie
Forced overtime.
tranquil violet
Uhhh
What happens if I "borrow" 300 gold?
Well this run is doomed anyways so... let's find out?
empty prairie
RIP
empty prairie
Yeah, he's a mean bastard.
cunning urchin
Blackguards get what they deserve.
willow fossil
I bet charon can beat the crap out of his brother death with his oar
cunning urchin
He couldn't. Thanatos doesn't have a hurtbox. He's invincible.
tranquil violet
No wonder Zagreus struggles to play the lute
He needs a properly sized one
Not a giant one that can't even move
Also without spoiling anything, Skelly's employer is ||Charon|| isn't it?
The ||coin in his mouth|| is kinda a giveaway
empty prairie
It becomes clear eventually.
tranquil violet
I mean most of the options have so far been ruled out and that seems the most obvious
Wait, you lose the Loyalty Card when you die?
Why on earth would you subject yourself to that then?
I guess to clean out the Styx shop easily?
Doesn't seem like itd be feasible to fight Charon before Elysium anyhow
empty prairie
You can. It's just not easy.
tranquil violet
Side note: I wish I could change the character names to be in Greek lettering.
Just for flavor, and because I can read it just fine.
drifting vale
I feel like theres a way to change your language to greek if you're confident enough
tranquil violet
I mean only if the fonts used in game support Greek characters. And you'd have to ensure they don't overflow their boxes.
But otherwise yes replacing text in a game with localization support isn't the hardest thing in the world.
Realistically you'd probably have to extend/replace the font and then add a localization.
If you're listening Supergiant: a full Classical Greek localization and voiceover would be amazing.
Give the classics majors something to have fun with
cunning urchin
crickets
tranquil violet
robust anchor
empty prairie
Nah classics majors should be turning down jobs left and right, aren't they? 😂
I was an English major briefly.
sour bramble
This Classics Major's next job could be in Cyber.
(They just don't know it yet.)
mellow quest
take adamant rail and thunder signet ring. thunder strike is offered at epic rarity.. but is crossed off by AP
what a great heat option
empty prairie
That's very not poggers.
robust anchor
thats not very pogchamp of you
hybrid wave
so is doom good for fast hitting but weak attacks? I feel like if you don't have any boons that let it stack or end early it's pretty lackluster compared to on hit effects
robust anchor
when it comes to doom, i first think of merciful end
but, yes weapons that can safely slap a doom and run, like shields special, also like doom
my main issue tho is that build gets chomped by the heckin deadline
hybrid wave
I prefer faster hitting weapons so I feel like I'd always rather have poison (or chill bc I'm bad lol) or really most other boons...
robust anchor
like rail and fist? yea dio makes sense. i also like zeus
shut moth
can someone explain to me how the stacking doom upgrades are useful
hybrid wave
yeah or chiron. Zeus is great too!
robust anchor
zeus has jolted and the thing that makes lightning proc twice sometimes
worldly trellis
shut moth
it requires you to have doom on something rapid
worldly trellis
Off to a good start :)
hybrid wave
not sure - seems more like "I was stuck w doom but at least it can be made slightly better"
shut moth
that's EXACTLY what it feels like to me
even with impending doom, a bolt would still be better
hybrid wave
doom's weird- there are so many things that make it better but I never want it by itself
empty prairie
@worldly trellis That's a very good start.
robust anchor
zeus on common does 10 and dire misfortune also does 10
robust anchor
do you do chiron or rama with zeus special
hybrid wave
so does redacted's ||laser|| attack have knockback? Maybe it was an ||EM4|| pact of punishment change but there are times where I've blocked w shield and nothing happened and there are times where I was shoved backwards (the best part is being shoved into a ||pot|| trap and then getting hit by the laser for basically instant 50+ damage)
worldly trellis
Anyone know what the damage bonus is on Hades' Aid?
Like when you turn invisible?
hybrid wave
50% IIRC?
shut moth
50% at first
robust anchor
em4 does give him knockback while lasers yes
shut moth
it ranks up to 100%
hybrid wave
ooh that's a spicy change
worldly trellis
100% as you level the keepsake or 100% at full gauge?
shut moth
100% as you level the keepsake
hybrid wave
the damage bonus doesn't change between non-full and full call AFAIK
worldly trellis
Weird, doesn't say that in the descrip. it only says the God Gauge starts 10/20/30% full
hybrid wave
yeah I think the wiki has the full stats but definitely should be in game imo
shut moth
It doesn't say it on the keepsake, but it says it on the ability
i haven't been using it recently though. im using the butterfly so i can get that achievement
i reached 28% last time
just one more room...ONE MORE 
and then i need the 16 heat achievement
and ill have no burdens, no further debts to be paid
worldly trellis
Just run Hestia, 30% is childs play with that.
I love running Hestia with Butterfly.
hybrid wave
haha I feel that!I just used chiron and demeter special after a few failed runs lol
worldly trellis
Always have like 40%+ by the time I hit Styx
shut moth
to be fair i was kinda sleep-deprived
robust anchor
kekw that emote
still vigil
how does one play with hera?
robust anchor
:pogonaSad:
still vigil
it's the only bow i havent touched
shut moth
it's from a twitch sub
shut moth
you know, hera and beowulf always leave me with a conundrum
robust anchor
get that hermes boon that makes the cherries come back and the art boon that gives extra cherries and always go for chaos and get extra cherries
shut moth
do I take infernal soul for triple strikes, or stygian so it regens
robust anchor
if you do the regen, may as well play another bow
shut moth
well beowulf drops the stone always
so infernal yeah
but hera with stygian lets you do the shot more often and not have to pick it up
on that topic
i always get the Demeter boon for having no bloodstones when i'm using stygian
because she likes to laugh at me
mellow quest
wow they really did a number on Spread Fire didn't they
last time i played it was that 5 shot spread still
cunning urchin
@hybrid wave Curse of Agony is best for DPS on Malphon. Drunken Strike sucks.
jade rover
Curse of Agony without ME?
untold vortex
Yes
still vigil
every time i see ares next chamber i die a lil
cause im not sure what to do with him
cunning urchin
Obviously, you would aim for ME because that seals the run, but you don't need it.
wide plover
wait, how do you do more than (normal damage + 50) per second with Curse of Agony without Merciful End?
cunning urchin
I don't even know what you're talking about. Normal Damage + 50?
jade rover
I think they're talking about max stack dio
wide plover
Curse of Agony is best for DPS on Malphon. Drunken Strike sucks.
you said this
cunning urchin
Yes.
wide plover
curse of agony does 50 every 1.1 second
cunning urchin
That's literally only common Lv.1.
wide plover
so it scales better than everything else?
upbeat canopy
Isn't curse of agony probably the worst attack in most malphon aspects?
gloomy ivy
Yeah if it doesn’t stack I have a hard time understanding the DPS over just like, Art, Aphrodite, or Athena.
upbeat canopy
It doesn't unless you get dire misfortune
Its just one application once the previous one expired
Wasting the several other attacks in the meantime
gloomy ivy
Right, agreed.
upbeat canopy
Don't think you did any of your math correctly
cunning urchin
What? lol
upbeat canopy
I'll run numbers tomorrow but it does not look right
wide plover
hmm, interesting
robust geyser
Uhm, did they buff Chiron?
Lower damage but higher number of arrows should mean being better with Zeus, right? Or does it not proc that fast?
jade rover
It was a nerf, overall.
robust geyser
(sorry, I haven't had the chance to boot up the game since the patch, so I can't check myself)
robust anchor
zeus procs once or twice off chiron
robust geyser
That's sad.
robust anchor
bc he has a slight cooldown :(
robust geyser
I must say, I was hoping for a revert on chaos shield, maybe with a damage decrease or something. 👀
But oh well.
Speaking of which
I still haven't gotten the hidden shield prophecy, even though I levelled the damn thing to max.
May I ask for a build/playstyle recommendation for it?
robust anchor
charged throw and aph or art special
robust geyser
That sounds nice.
Is the cast feature good, or too slow?
Because... it feels pretty slow, but also deals big damage.
cunning urchin
Yeah, Dragon Rush is really good.
shut moth
you know what's really fun
Kinetic Launcher + Demeter Aspect
Hadouken spam
between my buffs a charged launch was 1200+ damage
robust geyser
That's neat.
robust anchor
how many punches per second can fist do
cunning urchin
It was about 4.75 with Zag Aspect and 2 dashes before they removed the attack speed buff on the first hit, so a bit less than that now.
limber flax
😔
cunning urchin
Chiron is still top tier.
stuck bobcat
btw, just managed to hit 10,500 hit with Arthur
that's my record
limber flax
Chiron is still top tier.
@cunning urchin isnt the dmg 25% lower now?
cunning urchin
Yup.
It went from top tier all the way down to top tier.
A sad day in the life of Chiron.
limber flax
🤔
stuck bobcat
still the easiest weapon in the game to dish out crazy dps
unkempt zephyr
still the easiest weapon in the game to dish out crazy dps
@stuck bobcat its easy on low lvl
stuck bobcat
it's always easy 🤔
wide plover
so what's the best way to use pom blossom?
unkempt zephyr
it's always easy 🤔
@stuck bobcat FO2?
cunning urchin
What doesn't make much sense?
old briar
aspect of zagreus bow gives 10% crit. the volley however never crits. is this intended? did not pay attention before the patch
cunning urchin
You can still safely kill everything from afar and fast.
@old briar it gives crit bonus to Attack.
Only.
old briar
alright thanks
cunning urchin
So yeah, that's intended.
cunning urchin
The crit chance only applies to Attack, yeah.
cunning urchin
Says "Critical Attack Chance: +10%".
worn citrus
Do you remove a god from your "pool" if you purge all their boons?
rare kayak
lmao
solid grail
Hi everyone I have been thinking that the Rupture ability from Posidon seems like it would be incredibly useful but I can't seem to work out what weapons it would work best with. I have found the knockback rather difficult to deal with if I want to continue attacking. Anyone have any advice on using rupture or even let me know if it actually can be as good as it seems it might be
Also I'm new to this discord and as I don't want to spoil anything for anyone I was wondering if it's ok to ask about builds for the different hidden aspects?
cunning urchin
@worn citrus no.
worn citrus
Demeter pls go
shut moth
i have a question about a specific interaction
I have poseidon's aspect for the sword, heartbreak flourish, sweet surrender, and exit wounds
which procs first, knocking out the bloodstones, or inflicting weak?
will exit wounds benefit from sweet surrender?
why am i asking when i can just try it out?
frosty jolt
If I'm going for Poseidon knockback and all the boons related to it (rupture, breaking wave) I generally like to get the Poseidon dash and just dash around/into foes
shut moth
as i suspected, the numbers overlap and i can't tell
frosty jolt
I don't know if it's a valid strat but it seems to work for me, I reached the point before in runs where I've kinda abandoned my weapon and just dash around the room until I clear it 
fossil compass
I just maxed out hades aspect for spear, what's the best build for it? I'm thinking persephone attack and demeter special to trigger exposed easily?
shut moth
just go fwoosh and the water goes fwoosh too and all your enemies go splat against the wall
wide plover
persephone attack
shut moth
persephone attack is OP
unkempt zephyr
persephone attack
@fossil compass That god do not in pool. Probably Athena?
shut moth
Persephone attack causes enemies to explode into pomegranate seeds
fossil compass
ahhh I mean aphrodite, always got them mixed up
for high % increase and weak status
fossil compass
I use poseidon aspect and cast build with either athena or artemis cast, then exit wounds from artemis 🙂
sour bramble
I don't have poseidon aspect
fossil compass
some lucky chaos boons for +cast damage/cast ammo is also good, artemis legendary if you're lucky
fossil compass
ahhh errr pray for the +hp per hit daed hammer? xD
sour bramble
i know which gods I should be focusing but everything about the sword just seems so unsafe
i just did a run and i had 1 DD left by the time I got to hydra
wide plover
generally you want to dash attack through enemies constantly
sour bramble
i just can't make this weapon work
unkempt zephyr
Becaus when you play sword you MUST have some protection mechanic from gods. Its demeter,athena,aphro.
sour bramble
dash attack chaining feels kinda awkward on kb/m, i don't know if that's just me though
i just need practice w. it i suppose
brittle vault
i really wish there was an option to remove the adds from the hades fight. i hate adds so, so much.
unkempt zephyr
Adds on hades its DPS check. if you can not kill them easy. probably your DPS low.
sour bramble
there are a lot of adds in boss fights in this game, yeah
i think there's only three boss fights without adds
honestly now that i think about it, that's around half and half
kinda tempted togo ares attack/artemis spec on nemesis sword because everything will have a chance to crit and I can try and roll for hunting blades
unkempt zephyr
easy way on nemesis sword its demeter attack,aphro special and artemis some were.
sour bramble
weak is just too good though
yeah, i tried demeter attack/aphro spec last run and I died to larny
it was a very cursed run though
unkempt zephyr
-40% speed of attack and movement from demeter (and it can be 60%) . boss fight becoming joke
sour bramble
i rng'd into witches' circle which i absolutely hate with a passion
stiff jacinth
Can anyone give me any ProTips for making the most of the Aspect of B------ shield?
robust anchor
yes! most common is charged throw hammer and take aph or art special
stiff jacinth
How much does what flavor of cast I go with matter?
robust anchor
truthfully i have never tried cast build but you would really want dio cast
for the big damage
split wharf
I wonder how much Chiron bow changed, effectively
Pre-patch it used to be easymode for me
Patch didn't seem to change all that much but I haven't tested it yet
cunning urchin
Chiron is still S tier.
@robust anchor you can't "build" for Charged Flight. It's a hammer upgrade. You either get it or you don't. There's no way to reroll hammers.
split wharf
I kinda figure it ought
cunning urchin
@stiff jacinth you'll want Infernal Soul + Passion Flare or Stygian Soul + Trippy Flare on Shield 4.
robust anchor
so what do
wide plover
so how do one play with gilgamesh?
split wharf
Bull gives it to you
wide plover
I have it
split wharf
Ah, I see
split wharf
Pick the alternate dash from mirror as a start?
Since you get more dashes from the weapon anyway
stiff jacinth
@cunning urchin You are so helpful ❤️
Or alternatively? Keep the double dash and get Ares on your dash in a build that I like to call The Shredder
cunning urchin
I'd still pick Greater Reflex over Ruthless Reflex on Fists 4.
stiff jacinth
I really like getting Aphro Special on Fists 4 to offset the extra damage you take from maul
though Ares Special is nice too, since you get extra damage on your dooms
cunning urchin
Optimal build is Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
stiff jacinth
FULL DISCLOSURE:
I am not an optimal build sort of player, I like to do fun things
cunning urchin
And just hold down Attack + Dash for the rest of the run.
stiff jacinth
so take everything I say with a grain of salt
split wharf
I don't usually "build", in the sense that I tend to start with pom blossom and see where the run takes me
wide plover
alright, I'll try it out
cunning urchin
Best hammer upgrade is Breaching Cross.
novel maple
Can anyone recommend a good Hera Build? I usually like to use Dio cast but I'm never that sure what to pair it with
wide plover
demeter and/or zeus, duh
the ceiling there is pretty high, with zeus legendary and all the lightning boons
I mean in addition to dio
cunning urchin
I like Crush Shot the most on Hera. Phalanx Shot is also really good.
You'll want Infernal Soul for lodging casts and Stygian Soul for non-lodging casts.
unkempt zephyr
Best hammer upgrade is Breaching Cross.
@cunning urchin argee.but Colossus Knuckle work good too. and if you go not zeus or ares Rending Claws +Breaching Cross.best.
primal hazel
What did she adjustments do to hera bow with crush shot?
Also anyone got a feel for the bow "adjustments" yet?
silk anvil
@cunning urchin , I dont think anyone answered my question, so I am once again here to bug you;
Theres two shield specials I had from a hammer-time upgrade. What's the difference between dashing flight (+200% damage), and charged flight (+200% base damage)
Is the implication really just there for the interaction between boons?
primal hazel
Charged gives you a perfect shot like bow I think
What exactly is the text for dashing again
silk anvil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315743984809017344/765726046586142791/unknown.png @primal hazel
as an aside "dashing special" on shield was so terribly clunky I dont think I'd ever in my life pick it up again (at least not for beo). it was mighty awkward to call it a dashing attack when the game felt like it was refusing to accept the 'special' input for a second after dashing, but it still counted as a dashing special
cunning urchin
Charged Flight shortens the CD between your Special uses and shortens the startup for your quick release Throws a lot (on Shield 4). "+200% base damage" means a fully charged flight will triple your damage.
"+200% damage" from Dashing Flight is just additive.
primal hazel
CD=Charge distance???
silk anvil
Yeah, I'll say charged >> dashing
primal hazel
Oh cooldown
cunning urchin
Cooldown.
primal hazel
Me dumb sry
cunning urchin
Charged Flight, by the way, used to be +400% lol.
Charged Flight is by far the best hammer on Shield 4, yeah.
silk anvil
@cunning urchin stop reminding me that I missed my chance to be truly broken
primal hazel
Didn't know it also did that
Sounds sick for shield
silk anvil
@cunning urchin , another question you might be able to answer for me: if you pick up the hammer upgrade that allows 4 shield bounces; does it apply to all the chaos shields? (Assuming chaos shield doesnt bar you from that hammer upgrade)
cunning urchin
It never did that before 1.0, so I'm assuming no.
People always ask me about Chaos Aspect or cast builds, and I don't even play either lol.
silk anvil
Which shield is the main one now, though?
cunning urchin
Main one?
primal hazel
But it also doesn't. BAr you from the upgrade
silk anvil
I've not used chaos since the 1.0, but testing it on skele, it looks like there is no "main shield" anymore
primal hazel
There are see through shields thrown which are the duplicates
The main one is the not see through in the middle
"Original shield"
cunning urchin
Oh, main shield from Chaos Aspect. Gotcha.
primal hazel
Yes sry
silk anvil
And the main one doesnt do any more damage than its shadow clone jujitsu? Feels a bit off
primal hazel
As far as I figured all used to bounce before they changed it because it was too op
They're more like projectiles
Now you just shotgun
cunning urchin
It's still a 90-base-damage Special. Doesn't sound too bad.
primal hazel
It's still good imo
Does big single target damage
cunning urchin
I've never been a fan of Dread Flight on anything, anyway.
primal hazel
Idk maybe on vanilla shield with doom
cunning urchin
Especially with FO2 and BP, shields will often bounce towards nothing in particular. I don't need more bounces going nowhere lol.
primal hazel
But I always default to chaos
It's a down side most times imo since you can only throw shield again when it returns
cunning urchin
And you can't block or bull rush, either.
primal hazel
If you take it on chaos there's sometimes insane down time where you shield essentially does trash damage and you can't throw it because it's still bouncing
So you basically neuter your whole gameplan
primal hazel
Bull rush, shotgun
cunning urchin
Chaos
plan
Pick one.
primal hazel
"a plan"
silk anvil
@cunning urchin , maybe I need to git gud at testing damage on skele, it felt like each projectile did 25 damage. But then again I'm bad at math and never tried to isolate the center shot
cunning urchin
Shield Throw damage is 15. Chaos Aspect throws +5 shields.
cunning urchin
15 * 6 = 90.
silk anvil
Also you can't test properties obvs
@primal hazel a fact I lament often to others chagrin
primal hazel
Sucks when you want to test how something interacts and have to go in the field and hope you aquire the presets yeah
cunning urchin
I dunno, I like doing research during my runs.
silk anvil
15 * 6 = 90.
@cunning urchin ah, well, I suppose so; if you manage to land em all point blank, which skele refused to do. Though I suppose maybe he dodged a shield or two cause hes so skinny
primal hazel
Leaves a lot of my weapon based answers to reading comprehension and basic understanding since I'm not an omniscient demigod like nyaaa
cunning urchin
Demigod?
silk anvil
Reading comprehension is the worst, its true
primal hazel
It's ok but it tends to be inaccreate
silk anvil
Screw your reading glasses to the sticking place, Shakespeare once said
robust anchor
:(
primal hazel
I can see wanting to find out stuff in practice
I'm just lazy lol
Demigod?
@cunning urchin almost ever
-present, almost all knowing
sour bramble
i've discovered that spear spec builds are NOT my forte
cunning urchin
Rude.
silk anvil
Could always cronch numbers outside the game and theoretically come to the same answers@primal hazel (thought the math will surely be wrong
primal hazel
But I have a D- at math
sour bramble
it feels like it does like, 0 damage
primal hazel
I just do what I learned from card games
cunning urchin
I dunno what you're doing with Nemesis that it's not working well.
gilded nymph
I just end up with pinky pain from spamming shift to dash
silk anvil
I just end up with pinky pain from spamming shift to dash
@gilded nymph I feel this; my nemesis doesnt feel like it's doing as much as it should; but also, dont forget to use your special, which is what nyaanyaa may be about to say
cunning urchin
You'll also want Double Edge, ideally.
For your pinky pain, you could always remap Dash.
gilded nymph
my hammers are breaching slash and shadow slash
sour bramble
I like dash on space.
cunning urchin
That way a different finger will hurt.
gilded nymph
space sounds pretty good
sour bramble
Thumb hurts less than pinky.
primal hazel
Carpel tunnel for life
gilded nymph
what
silk anvil
Yeah, was space really not default? I remapped it so long ago
sour bramble
Implying I don't already have that in my right hand from playing too much league lmao
silk anvil
Implying I don't already have that in my right hand from playing too much league lmao
@sour bramble do you keyboard with right hand in league? Wild
solid grail
I'm trying to fulfill the prophecy for reaching the surface with the secret aspect of the shield and I am having a hard time with it. Could anyone give me some tips on how to build that aspect to make it a bit more effective?
sour bramble
Space is default, yeah. I've not rebound my controls, bought the game a patch ago
@silk anvil Nah I use mouse but I don't have one of those wrist-supporting mats so that's fun
primal hazel
@solid grail Beowulf build: Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Passion Flare, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air. Make sure you use Infernal Soul, charged flight hammer
Credits to Nyaanyaa
sour bramble
Aerithposter, give me winnable builds for sword (Zag/Nem), spear (Zag/Ach) and fists (Zag/Talos) and I'll love you forever.
This is in it for you.
solid grail
@primal hazel thanks
cunning urchin
Yeah, that lol.
cunning urchin
I don't play Zag spear or Achilles lol.
primal hazel
And for fists just do dem
Was easier
Or is it specifically about winning with those aspects?
cunning urchin
I just do Guan Yu + Butterfly.
sour bramble
I tried spec build on Achilles and it didn't go too well, so maybe I'll try cast.
Nah, it's just winning with them in general, they're the only weapons I haven't cleared with yet.
I'm too spaghettibrain with sword, spear just feels like it doesn't do much when I run special, and fists I'm just unlucky with lmao
primal hazel
Since it empowers your cast you can just go with that
I had a good time with artemis in throw
Spesh
cunning urchin
My go-to for anything is Heartbreak Strike/Flourish + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air or Lightning Strike/Flourish + Heartbreak in the other slot + some other good DPS call + Smoldering Air.
sour bramble
I want those easy carry OP godlike builds, y'know?
cunning urchin
Works on everything.
primal hazel
I always write athena instead of artemis and the other way around
cunning urchin
If I don't have any experience with an aspect, that's what I'll do.
primal hazel
Wtf
sour bramble
I'll try that out, thanks.
primal hazel
Or you can just go zeus attack and flurry on spear
But it's not the op auto win build
Guess you can just throw a ME build on everything
gilded nymph
rip my 10 streak
solid grail
@primal hazel I was wondering, why do you suggest using the Aphrodite attack and special for a Beowulf build?
sour bramble
I kinda want to do another railgun run considering I cheesed the hell out of my win with that weapon using Artemis crit and Hazard Bomb.
Nuclear Option Best Option.
primal hazel
Aphrodite gives biggest damage increases
And beowulf with ready huge damage benefits hugely from that
Also if was originally @cunning urchin's suggestion so I for don't want to take credit for it
sour bramble
Yeah, aphrodite is just good, I slept hard on Aphro when I first started playing because "wow, this ability is kinda boring, I wanna see graphics flying all over the screen" then I realised that 100%+ damage scaling base and 30% damage reduction is actually kinda strong.
gilded nymph
what companion should I max first?
gilded nymph
stuck between shady and meg
cunning urchin
Batty and Antos, I'm very sure, are most featured in high heat.
sour bramble
The only companion i've used so far is Batty because it's the only one I have, and I have no regrets because I love seeing big numbers.
gilded nymph
meg is batty righ
cunning urchin
I use Antos pretty much always.
solid grail
@primal hazel Ah ok thanks. Would Artemis be a good choice for the Beowulf shield if I get unlucky and can't get the Aphrodite attack?
cunning urchin
Most high heat players just stick with one companion and never really switch anymore.
wide plover
ok, merciful end gil fists are pretty crazy even in my hands. Hades barely had time to hit me a couple of times before melting
cunning urchin
@solid grail yeah, that's fine.
primal hazel
Bouldy is bae for me so I stay shady
Im assuming ant for chunking boss helf?
It's the last companion I need :(
cunning urchin
You just want either Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, or Passion Flare because each of those is already 33% of the requirement for Smoldering Air, and Zeus' Aid is the other 66% requirement.
Divine Dash is optimal for Dash.
primal hazel
What aid you usually use with smoldering?
cunning urchin
Zeus' Aid.
cunning urchin
You need a call and a core boon from Lord Zeus.
Zeus' Aid does both.
And the damage can get silly very fast.
You also don't really get to pick and choose 4 gods.
2 is fine.
primal hazel
I actually have to try
Only recently played smoldering cause it's one of the three duos I need for prophecy
cunning urchin
3 with Divine Dash is already stretching it.
primal hazel
Btw how's dusas companion?
primal hazel
It seems most of the time you'll have 4 gods since sometimes you cant avoid taking another
cunning urchin
You'll have 4 gods, yes.
But you can't choose all 4.
You can skip some along the run to leave room for the ones you want.
And you can force 1 in Tartarus and 1 in Asphodel.
Forcing a 3rd god in Elysium is usually not the best idea. Typically, you'll have 4 gods by then already.
primal hazel
Fair
Feels like a 50/50
Sometimes I'll deliberately have 2-3 in asphodel since I skip the ones I don't want if I get the opportunity
I feel like that's smarter idk
cunning urchin
But even then, I'd rather take Coin Purse in Elysium.
Forcing a 3rd god in Elysium doesn't really give you the chance to get a Duo from them in that run. Not a lot of chances anymore.
primal hazel
Oh sry git confused since you're talking a bout forcing a 3rd in asphodel
Guess you misstyped
cunning urchin
No, I wrote Elysium.
primal hazel
Cough
cunning urchin
I have no idea what you're talking about.
cunning urchin
pew pew pew 🔫
primal hazel
outer jasper
cunning urchin
+1 ammo and cast damage from Master Chaos.
sour bramble
oh my christ i forgot i had chaos debuff and went into an obol room
reminder to remember your chaos debuffs
cunning urchin
primal hazel
Artemis legendary might be worth it
Especially if you have casts that stuck
Otherwise hermes cast buffs
Everything that gives you more casts/faster regen in general
Other stuff is cast specific
cunning urchin
More ammo only up to a point, though.
sly night
Im on chamber 30, how many more chambers are there til styx?
trying to decide between shop now or boon
cunning urchin
Theseus and Asterius are in chamber 36.
primal hazel
More ammo only up to a point, though.
@cunning urchin can you elaborate?
sly night
is there a gauranteed shop before them?
cunning urchin
35 will have a shop, yes.
sly night
I have 700 gold, shud I skip this shop for the boon and go to 35?
cunning urchin
I don't know what your build is or anything.
primal hazel
Always guaranteed pre boss shop
primal hazel
Also possibly multiple boons
cunning urchin
700 is more than you would spend at a single shop.
sly night
yeah but styx has a shop too, but I guess its always got a 500 cost item
primal hazel
Hermes isn't guaranteed
cunning urchin
You want your build done before you leave Elysium.
primal hazel
Otherwise there 450 and 150 boons
Sometimes rng doesn't want to tho
Take the shop if you don't need the gods boom for your build
primal hazel
Are you doing zeus demeter duo?
cunning urchin
Depends. Boons don't exist in a vacuum.
sly night
I dont have anything that synergizes with either
cunning urchin
Well, I can't really recommend anything if I don't know anything about your build.
primal hazel
^
cunning urchin
A screenshot would help.
primal hazel
Or your general build idea
primal hazel
Well that looks random
sly night
Yeah I didnt really get much synergy this run
reef galleon
screw the synergy go with the flow
sly night
its winnable tho
primal hazel
Why do you pick poseidon if you don't work on stuck cast
reef galleon
pure instinct
marsh pumice
fun > synergy
primal hazel
Is it fun having a weapon which aspect does essentially next to nothing in your run?
cunning urchin
What are the offers?
sly night
primal hazel
Next time just focus on casts with poseidon I'd say
Sry ranting over xD
reef galleon
Is it fun having a weapon which aspect does essentially next to nothing in your run?
@primal hazel cast damage +20%
sly night
the last one is bonus healing effect
cunning urchin
What's the third offer?
marsh pumice
just take dash
primal hazel
@reef galleon main point is stuck cast build, gimmick beside cast damage is unstucking
Only thing synergizing is a cast
cunning urchin
Mistral Dash for the prophecy or Nourishing Soul for a better chance at clearing this run.
sly night
In order to focus on casts u need to get offered casts lol
the only cast I got this whole run was athena
I took it
but its meh
primal hazel
You could force a cast beforehand
cunning urchin
Most cast builds require specific Duo Boons to really come online.
primal hazel
^
bright flint
you can get the artemis cast and the one that dislodge cast deal dmg
primal hazel
Need planning ahead
bright flint
that's what i usually work around poseidon at least
reef galleon
Too obvious
reef galleon
I'm doing no brain builds
cunning urchin
Can't really do too much without rerolls and knowing what's even possible etc. The build is alright.
marsh pumice
planning.... nah. improvise. adapt. overcome.
primal hazel
I'm doing no brain builds
@reef galleon biggest brain
reef galleon
galaxy brain
primal hazel
No brain=all brain
reef galleon
neurons firing every millisecond as I deliberately pick a wrong boon
now we're talkin I'm saying to myself
primal hazel
The rush of trolling yourself
reef galleon
I'm just preparing myself for approval process +2
cunning urchin
@sly night for Phalanx Shot, you would want to get core boons from Lady Aphrodite or Lord Zeus in order to unlock their Duo Boons with Lady Athena: Parting Shot and Lightning Phalanx.
Ideally both.
sour bramble
crazy how I've had zeus and aphrodite in tartarus, asphodel AND elysium, and I've never once gotten Zeus' Aid, ANY cast boon, or the duo
got zeus legendary though so that's something
cunning urchin
"Unlock" meaning you need Phalanx Shot + their core boons in order to even have a chance of being offered their Duo Boons.
primal hazel
You can see it in the codex
The ones you met are highlighted green
cunning urchin
Well, any core boon from Lady Aphrodite + any core boon from Lady Athena for Parting Shot. But Phalanx Shot would already count for that.
You'll also want to put more poms on your Cast boon to get your damage up.
unkempt zephyr
im have a good fun with Aphro+Athena and Athena+zeus.😊
solid grail
Anyone have any tips to help with playing the aspect of Rama?
primal hazel
Bow Rama twin shot, point blank/perfect shot/explosive shot, artemis/aphro attack
Sharanga the room then nuke them with high damage attack
Be aware of Rama's slowness
Don't force a full charge if you don't have the time
Also chaos attack buffs
cunning urchin
pew pew with Special, then Dash-Strike Power Shots.
ashen pendant
Are there any mirror of night builds I should follow? I feel like I've fallen into a trap of just maxing all the first choices
primal hazel
Most purple choices are "ideal"
cunning urchin
Most of the choices are pretty obvious depending on what you're looking for.
E.g., High Confidence would be faster, Thick Skin would be safer.
marsh pumice
drak regen eww
primal hazel
Every darkness is free heals
cunning urchin
High heat meta and speedrun meta is Persuasion.
cinder flower
with chaos shield do you guys think dionysus + ares for faster poison ticks or dionysus with aphrodite for more stacking?
i did a run with ares duo and it felt pretty strong
primal hazel
Don't
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul is better for lodging cast builds, Stygian Soul is better for non-lodging cast builds. Builds that don't focus on casts usually run with Stygian Soul, but there are players who prefer Infernal Soul.
@cinder flower why not both?
cinder flower
cna you stack both?
cunning urchin
Sure.
ashen pendant
I noticed that I never cast unless I Max out boiling blood and infernal soul and even then it's just to buff attacks
primal hazel
Is authority that less viable in high? I like controlling my boons
cunning urchin
If you think they're both good, start with whatever leaves you the option for both and then see what you get on your run.
But you don't really control your boons with Authority. You control what gods you see, a little bit.
cunning urchin
Persuasion lets you reroll boons, Wells of Charon, Pools of Purging, Poms even if you want . . .
cunning urchin
@ashen pendant yeah, that's very typical in runs that aren't cast builds.
primal hazel
with chaos shield do you guys think dionysus + ares for faster poison ticks or dionysus with aphrodite for more stacking?
@cinder flower are you running ares special on chaos?
ashen pendant
I want to like cast builds but it doesn't feel natural to how I play, boo.
I did a high crit spear build and it was amazing
primal hazel
You have to use the right apsects
sour bramble
I tried a high crit spear build and I did literally 0 damage.
Not a fan.
Probably botched the build at some point but.
cunning urchin
I don't really do cast builds, either.
primal hazel
Spear is like one of the few weapons I wouldn't play crit on
I dunno
But I only played achilles so far
sour bramble
When you've got like 150% crit chance on your special but you're not landing any crits it's sorta disappointing.
cunning urchin
Maybe you would like "cast builds" on Shield 4?
There are a few different cast aspects you can try that aren't so "pure cast build" like Poseidon Aspect is.
sour bramble
It was only supposed to be semi-crit, aphro spec but I got the hammer that gives 50% crit chance, and a bunch of other crit buffs
It was just underwhelming though
primal hazel
Well crit doesn't work additive
ashen pendant
Lemme see if I can check what I used
primal hazel
So you can't have 150% crit
unkempt zephyr
When you've got like 150% crit chance on your special but you're not landing any crits it's sorta disappointing.
@sour bramble you cant get so much.
ashen pendant
Maybe you would like "cast builds" on Shield 4?
@cunning urchin
I loved the way the shield felt on PC but I can't seem to grasp it on switch
primal hazel
That would be op since crit is 3x
sour bramble
Poison tbh
primal hazel
How does crit calc work again exactly?
Poison is very strong
But there are pools to counter
cunning urchin
Crits are just triple damage.
sour bramble
You'd THINK that 50% crit + 50% crit would be 100% crit
primal hazel
No I mean the calc for crit chance
You'd THINK that 50% crit + 50% crit would be 100% crit
@sour bramble nah man
That would be op
Are you coming from warframe lol?
Cause that's how it works there
cunning urchin
@ashen pendant try changing your button layout? I have Cast on LB on my Xbox One pad when I play Shield 4.
primal hazel
Then it has to be capped
I would like to know the actual calc for that
Since a 100% crit or more shouldn't be possible afaik
unkempt pagoda
i mean, if it weren't additive i don't think the whole test branch crit debacle would have happened
primal hazel
Fair
Maybe it was
ashen pendant
Here's the two I used, I can't remember which one was the fun one, km thinking it was the earlier one as I remember just deleting things with my special https://imgur.com/a/4Sj55TM
