i will try one run
#h1-builds-and-combat
brave nymph
half crater
but it’s crazy
tawny meadow
Or if you don't want demeter you could go arty special
half crater
or aphro special
tranquil violet
Just stacking all of the Artemis boons and eating pom porridge is fun
half crater
then you qualify for smouldering air
tranquil violet
RNGESUS TAKE THE WHEEL
tawny meadow
Ah yeah I forget about smoldering air because I end up usually getting aphro/arty aid... Thanks rng
tranquil violet
crap dps, crap dps, DEVASTATION, crap dps, crap dps, crap dps...
half crater
smouldering air is great with aphro aid
and you still qualify, if you have zeus attack
half crater
nah, you don’t get the greater call effect
tawny meadow
Uhh great question no good answer
tranquil violet
Objectively highest as in sustained output on a normal enemy that doesn't have some kind of shield
golden elm
9999 if you are best boy
half crater
... is that actually a solved problem?
tranquil violet
Other than being Thanatos
tranquil violet
I love lamp
mighty ermine
heart rend nemesis gets pretty close
golden elm
I hate phone
@tawny meadow black mirror in a nutshell
tranquil violet
More like real life in a nutshell tbh
tawny meadow
What if you had heart rend, merciful end and whatever aphro/ares is on a build?
brave nymph
i got cluster bomb on a hammer
half crater
be kinda hard to set up
brave nymph
or ricochet
half crater
guess you could run Deadly Reversal to get solid doom crits
then heart rend, but you’d need to be able to easily weaken foes
tawny meadow
Cast aphro, Athena special and ares attack and pray for duos?
tranquil violet
Imagine actually having a plan as to what boons you're gonna get
half crater
in a way that doesn’t waste too many potential doom procs
tranquil violet
And not just using Chaos Egg every run
half crater
Cast aphro, Athena special and ares attack and pray for duos?
@tawny meadow athena dash as well ofc, yeah
tawny meadow
Sorry I think I was mixing up duo boons
half crater
but the question is; would the aphro cast actually be worth it?
stacked right, you’re missing out on like a 500 odd doom proc to do that cast
tawny meadow
Aphro ares with merciful end?
tawny meadow
Idk is 1:30 just spit balling, I think I meant deadly reversal idk anymore
half crater
this’d be eris ofc, for +75% fee doom damage lmao
tawny meadow
Yeah of course any max DPS is gonna be erris
tranquil violet
Me earlier: how does Achilles spear work with casting?
Me now, having gotten flood shot first boon
half crater
i mean, nemesis might actually be able to compete
tranquil violet
"Oh I see."
half crater
me: ugh achilles
me, after using achilles with hunting blades: oh
tawny meadow
I mean I'd say it's hard to compete with 75%damage output
tranquil violet
So far spear is my favorite weapon
I like the balance of ranges and movement options
Feels natural to me
tawny meadow
Good for you I hate spear it just feels... Bad to me
half crater
i love achilles
golden elm
Ok idea: everytime you have to do a decision, like what boon upgrade or door, you press a rng button and whatever number it shows you have to use
tranquil violet
Big Priapus Energy
half crater
Ok idea: everytime you have to do a decision, like what boon upgrade or door, you press a rng button and whatever number it shows you have to use
@golden elm this already exists for boon/pom choices
tranquil violet
Twitch Plays Hades
half crater
Approval Process pact
tawny meadow
Yeah with the pact
tranquil violet
I can't quit the cosmic egg
I need to start using other keepsakes
But I want them sweet sweet chaos daddy boons
tawny meadow
I'm leveling my keep sales right now... Well not this second I'm laying in bed hating insomnia right now
tranquil violet
Mostly because Chaos' character design is sick
frigid bear
what is the best keepsake and how do I get it
golden elm
But I want them sweet sweet chaos daddy boons
@tranquil violet no you dont you want chaos and their boons
tranquil violet
But I do
tawny meadow
Gift the story npc in aspho mema
tranquil violet
The scorn?
tawny meadow
Acorn is good stuff
tranquil violet
Acorn*
golden elm
Wrong quote message should be the one above 😭
tranquil violet
I have it but haven't used it much hmm
frigid bear
acorn is who
tawny meadow
Euridacy
mighty ermine
eurydice
frigid bear
i gave my nectar to achilles cause he was chill and cerberus because hes cute doggo
frigid bear
yeah he doesnt deserve it
golden elm
I gave all my nectar to thanatos. I am weak.
tawny meadow
Wait until epilouge for dad
golden elm
Also to cerberus
tawny meadow
Dusa
tranquil violet
Im just now finally actually using casts
frigid bear
I havent found dusa in game
tranquil violet
After a couple dozen runs basically never using them
And uh, they stronk
My bad
tawny meadow
Yeah
tranquil violet
Yeah the one who does head and cleanups
frigid bear
so eurodyice is the girl that sings in the second part of the game
golden elm
|| oh you mean megs bottom ||
frigid bear
after beating the first boss
tawny meadow
Yes give her the sauce
golden elm
Eurydice is wonderful
frigid bear
oh okay ima give her nectar next time
tawny meadow
Then the story npc in the next area has a good keepsake for casual play
tranquil violet
Eurydice is so wholesome
I just wish she had a thicker New Orleans Creole accent
frigid bear
Achilles + Breaching Spear + Poseidon Cast =
@tranquil violet you mean the keepsake achilles gives ?
or is it something else
tawny meadow
Spear aspect, the ones you can unlock with titans blood
tranquil violet
Basically just rush through to break shields then blow everything up with wet boom
golden elm
Eurydices keepsake is one of the best out there
frigid bear
is it enough to kill a boss with the spear to unlock the aspect
golden elm
You should definitely give her some of your nectar
tawny meadow
For sure
brisk trench
That can happen
tawny meadow
No you have to spend the titan blood on the aspects
brisk trench
Sometimes you get nectar too
tawny meadow
Yeah it's great if you have premium vintage just slam every chest
brisk trench
I dont know how rare it is though. Im at about 50 runs and only had it happen once
frigid bear
No you have to spend the titan blood on the aspects
@tawny meadow where can I do that or how ?
tawny meadow
Have you cleared the first area with all the weapons?
frigid bear
you mean meg ?
tawny meadow
Yeah
tawny meadow
So the first mef clear will get one, the list of tasks will give some and the broker will have done for sale some times... But honestly if you haven't unlocked all the weapons I wouldn't worry about aspects yet
frigid bear
ı will open the pistol or something next thats the only one left
tawny meadow
Because most new players are like casts suck
brisk trench
Cast is really good, thats why they have ammo
tranquil violet
I just have Flood Shot Lv 3 and Achilles aspect
Part of it is probably that you start with only one shard
So casting seems bad until you can really recycle shards quickly
frigid bear
why is cast good tho it hardly does damage
tranquil violet
It's currently OHKOing everything in my run
And I only have level 1 Achilles Aspect
But it's 200-300 damage AOE out of the gate
Kills everything instantly
frigid bear
I probably have to upgrade it first
because for now its useless its just a red flesh and doesnt do damage yet
tawny meadow
Ahh cast boons are what you need and the mirror will let you do extra damage to enemies with shards in them
tranquil violet
All I have right now are:
Achilles Aspect 1, Flood Shot 3, Breaching Skewer 1, and Flayed Shot (Epic)
Casts go boom
tawny meadow
Cast boons be good
golden elm
Also what really helps using cast is the boon which gives you a damage boost when you are out of casts
tranquil violet
Base damage of 121 + 50% boost from Achilles and 60% boost from Chaos
And breaching skewer to take out shields first
At higher levels this will be fun lol
- now Lv 4 Flood Shot
And adding Premium Vintage though that doesn't help DPS much
Let's see how it goes on... Meg
Whew
Well
That was a new record
half crater
achilles spear wizard staff gets it done
tranquil violet
Achilles lunge attack is basically a dodge that also does damage and has a huge buff
smacks lips
NOICE
Braid of Atlas? Don't mind if I do.
half crater
do it
tranquil violet
Oh hello Hermès
Quick Reload?
Yes please
Is Razor Shoals good?
Seems like it would be considering that Flood Shot KBs?
But it's against Ocean's Bounty...
Hm seems like it was a mistake. Nothing survives long enough for it to add much damage.
tranquil violet
Oh hey
I finally got a duo
And I didn't even have a single Aphrodite beforehand
Didn't know that could happen
Thought you needed at least 1 each?
half crater
should I play shield 4th like a cast build ?
@proven osprey yes
or no
do what you want
proven osprey
cunning urchin
The Special is still good.
golden elm
do what you want
@half crater big thanatos energy
golden elm
M O O D
tranquil violet
Well this build feels broken to my newbish self
Cruising through Elysium already
Lv 6 Flood Shot + Lv 6 Razor Shoals
Basically all I'm using
Everything just goes boom
golden elm
On the contrast killing theseus takes as long as his monologue before
tranquil violet
Wizard staff indeed
Now let's make my special breaching and vicious
Got a good feeling I'm gonna get through Theseus this run
Well Asterius was a joke
So this bodes well
tranquil violet
After you clear a room with him or when you find him at home
I just gifted him nectar in Elysium
Like 10s ago
Idk if you have to win the contest but I did
golden elm
You can give him in the room after clearing it too, you don't have to wait for being back home
limber flax
the room where we slay both enemies right?
i couldnt give him nectar
also i havent seen him back home
hmmm
maybe its too early
ive only encountered him 3 times so far
golden elm
Wait maybe the first time you have to meet him home. He is usually on the balcony at home after you won
limber flax
lol
spiral tree
anyone have any suggestions for arthur aph attack build?
limber flax
i dont know any balcony there
at home
maybe i havent unlocked it or im stupid
im gonna look after this run
tranquil violet
Both
spiral tree
gotta choose =/
golden elm
No the balcony is on the left go where achilles is and then like downish i guess? The shift makes it harder to explain
tranquil violet
I have both
Right now
They didn't cancel out.
Achilles spear, Flayed Shot, Sweet Nectar, Sea Storm, Flood Shot Lv 6, Razor Shoals Lv 7, Static Discharge Lv 3, Heartbreak Flourish, Sweet Surrender, Greater Evasion
And a handful of other stuff
Knockback and rupture/jolt for days
Plus weak
Each flood shot does crazy damage, and jolt/ruptures everything it hits
spiral tree
yess got both now too
tranquil violet
High five
spiral tree
^5
tranquil violet
I'm gonna hopefully not lose to Theseus again
Asterius miniboss was a cakewalk so here's hoping
Well
I took our Asterius without a single hit and have my acorn shield still
I think I'm gonna win
Well that was easy
I now like cast builds 😂
Hmm. I think Styx is supposed to be hard but I added Poseidon's legendary and I'm just nuking rooms
I'm not learning any enemy patterns here :/
obsidian mantle
whats the best build for hera?
cunning urchin
All of Lady Aphrodite's boons is the best build for Hera. 
tranquil violet
Well dad killed me
But I came pretty damn close for my first try 🙂
15% or so HP left
limber flax
how big is the bow special nerf?
drifting vale
Battle rage i guess unless you like slicing shot
left peak
How about this?
drifting vale
Guessing it got deleted
tranquil violet
Welp I guess I just got hella lucky that one run
I'm probably not generally going to get a great synergy with multiple Lv 7+s, two duos and a legendary
drifting vale
Just getting one boon to lvl7 is impressive
tranquil violet
I had two to Lv 7 and one to Lv 10
proven osprey
ok I hate beo
tranquil violet
Early Aphrodite/Poseidon duo
drifting vale
Yeah im not a fan of beo but it is fun to throw
frigid bear
how does duoswork
drifting vale
Ah yeah thatll do it
tranquil violet
Every cast was a double knockback with each knockback inflicting highly upgraded rupture and also jolt
proven osprey
Ok i'll go special
tranquil violet
I was DPSing enough that I just dashed around and spammed and almost beat Hades on my first go
drifting vale
You do that yugi
tranquil violet
Still died though RIP
tranquil violet
I love me the spear
I feel like I haven't properly figured out how to use the shield yet
frigid bear
bow is soo easy
golden elm
If you have 2 boons of 2 different gods you could get a boon which synergies both effects of the gods
tranquil violet
It just feels really clunky
I feel like I'm missing the correct rhythm/play style
golden elm
This is what duo boons do. Most of the time
drifting vale
@frigid bear basically if you meet the requirements for two or more gods you will have the chance to get a duo boon which is a powerful upgrade to both gods abilities
tranquil violet
I don't actually know how to play well yet so I usually pick one move to be DPS and then load the others with buffs/debuffs
drifting vale
I say or more cause the revenge boon is actually a tri but whatever
tranquil violet
Revenge?
frigid bear
thx
tranquil violet
Ah I see
Ares + Zeus + any revenge
Man now I have to play Styx next time and have it not be a cakewalk
That run it was 1. Enter 2. Achilles Spear thing 3. Spam cast and room explodes
drifting vale
Thatll do it
drifting vale
Spicy water
tranquil violet
That's what I'm going to call that build now thanks
Also had Jolt because of the Zeus duo
So Spicy Water is accurate
cunning urchin
I don't actually know how to play well yet so I usually pick one move to be DPS and then load the others with buffs/debuffs
For most builds, pick one out of Attack, Special, or Cast as your primary source of damage. Use the other two slots to splash whatever gods you want for Duo Boons that enhance your primary damage.
tranquil violet
Okay so more or less what I'm doing I guess
Except I wasn't picking boons for duos as I rarely get them
cunning urchin
Different focus.
cunning urchin
MTG lingo.
spare scaffold
Oh that makes a lot of sense
Sometimes I forgot to use one part of my kit and felt kinda guilty for forgetting them though they aren't much needed at all
tranquil violet
I mean I'm guessing it comes from a "splash" of a different color in your mana pool
spare scaffold
Like for arms like spear, shield or bow I usually end up ignoring Cast unless it's say Demeter or Ares
tranquil violet
There's also a lot of MTG lingo that's spread to other places
drifting vale
I mean sure but like a splash of water is the same idea
spare scaffold
Basically any ranged weapon makes me forget cast a lot
cunning urchin
I don't really care too much about the etymology lol.
tranquil violet
Whenever someone tries to get me to play magic with them I just say "sure but I play subgame tribal"
And then they leave me alone
drifting vale
Fair
tranquil violet
Is there a general rule as to which moves are the best primary DPS for each weapon?
cunning urchin
@spare scaffold you kinda just use Cast to apply Boiling Blood in most builds.
tranquil violet
With malphon for example it seems like you'd want DPS to come from standard attack and maybe specials
spare scaffold
Yeah and I usually forget about that too outside of bossfights
tranquil violet
Bow and (Achilles) spear seem well suited to casting
spare scaffold
Or I output too much damage anyway that lodging casts wouldn't matter
drifting vale
I feel like you're asking to vaguely for anyone to give any meaningful help
tranquil violet
I have no goddamn clue how to DPS with shield
drifting vale
Bull rush and throw
spare scaffold
I like Dio on either shield attack or special
tranquil violet
The only successful shield runs I have are where I get the hammer for power shot bull rushing
And then I just hulk smash everything into walls
drifting vale
Basically
latent elk
what boons do I need to unlock Fully Loaded?
drifting vale
I think you need to be using infernal soul
tranquil violet
And now I have granny power
drifting vale
Check the codex to be sure it'll tell you exactly what you need
tranquil violet
I'm just spamming three out and then bull rush along their line mostly
Works fine on some enemies and rooms but not others
drifting vale
Should probably space them out better
tranquil violet
Yeah I've been trying to figure out some formations that work well
They seem like they'd work better on some bosses than others
Hydra, yes
Theseus, no
brisk trench
Does anyone have any tips for utilizing the spears sweep? It feels so bad
drifting vale
Eh i think youre over thinking the cast
tranquil violet
Spear sweep has been good for me with Poseidon knockback
To basically pocket sand a situation
drifting vale
Thanks inaros
brisk trench
Ah I see that seems nice
tranquil violet
I'm a newb though so what do I know
cunning urchin
Is there a general rule as to which moves are the best primary DPS for each weapon?
Kinda depends on a lot of things. I'd say watch high heat records or speedrun records for things like that.
tranquil violet
Also seems to depend on aspects. I had a great run using mostly the spear special with stacked doom to snipe out enemies
But that Poseidon/Zeus Achilles wizard mode spicy water was way better
cunning urchin
E.g., with Zag bow generally you want to spam Dash-Strike Power Shots, but ideally as backstabs.
drifting vale
Anyway im gonna get started with my day have fun
tranquil violet
I haven't gotten used to using dash strikes much yet
What's their benefit in general?
With the spear it's pretty clear to me.
cunning urchin
But if you do power shots on enemies that would die from a snap release, you're wasting time and your DPS drops.
brisk trench
Bow in general is the best way to get used to them
tranquil violet
But with some weapons it just seems... like attacking while dashing?
cunning urchin
Overkills don't do anything for you.
brisk trench
Dash striking with fists has a wider arc
cunning urchin
It's just press Dash and then press Attack, yeah.
tranquil violet
Yeah but like with the spear it's clearly a more useful small sweep/aoe
With other weapons it just feels like attacking while moving
Without any noticeable change otherwise
brisk trench
Usually
cunning urchin
With the bow, you would hold Attack instead. It'll be like your regular Attack but charge faster and do slightly less damage.
brisk trench
The damage drop on the bow for dash strike can be noticable, changes break points in tartarus
tranquil violet
Wait the bow dash charges faster?
brisk trench
Yeah
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
Base damage drop doesn't matter because Zag bow runs almost always run Hunter Dash.
Which gives extra damage to your Dash-Strikes.
So they end up doing more damage than regular attacks.
brisk trench
20 point drop off full charge
cunning urchin
Sword runs use pretty much only Dash-Strikes.
brisk trench
In tar with no heat thats the difference between one shotting some enemies. Something to keep in mind
tranquil violet
I guess I just like the spear because I feel like it works at all ranges and has a nice balance of aoe (dash strike), medium range melee, and sniping
I like having options
Or long range with zag spear tbh
cunning urchin
Spear is a nice weapon, yeah. I've been playing mostly Spear 4, lately.
tranquil violet
Shield is the only one I'm really struggling to get used to
I feel like I'm just playing it wrong
Feels so clunky and awkward
cunning urchin
Shield 4 is the only one I really play lol.
brisk trench
Blocking is really good once you get used to it
tranquil violet
Yeah the blocking is nice but I feel like it's hard to position myself well
brisk trench
Shield 2 is the only one I use
tranquil violet
And I don't feel like I have the fluidity for boss fights
Some rooms are easy with shield and others are just awkward
brisk trench
I dont have 4 yet though cause Im only 8 kills deep
tranquil violet
Mostly because I just abuse block/charge/rush
Plain shield strikes feel mostly... not right?
Except to cleanup mostly dead enemies after rushing
Shield + festive fog was pretty good though
cunning urchin
Base shield is kinda weak. Need Titan Blood to make the shields do some damage.
quiet maple
what do you guys suggest for the last two passives of the mirror?
cunning urchin
Epic+ and Persuasion is what I use.
tranquil violet
Is Shield a Magikarp/Onion Knight?
Idk how much the titan blood boosts scale
I've only unlocked base aspects so far as I only have/had 7 titan blood
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Kind of lol.
tranquil violet
Haven't bothered with Zag ones really
Just unlocked a few other ones to spice up the options
cunning urchin
It's still great at Lv.1 because you can cheese runs with block, but the damage is low without upgrades.
tranquil violet
Yeah I have trouble cheesing effectively
Usually due to poor room management
Seems like with shield you want everyone on one side of you
If you're in the middle you get cheesed charging up rushes
cunning urchin
Well.
tranquil violet
I get hit with shield way more than spear 😦
cunning urchin
That goes for all weapons lol.
brisk trench
So I went with 2 levels of Approval Process for my 8 heat run to meme and experiment a bit while I try for the trophy and it is SO bm the game shows you the boons you wouldve gotten.
cunning urchin
If you're surrounded, you're in a bad spot.
@brisk trench I think it's funny lol.
brisk trench
Important rule of winning games:
Rule 1: Dont get hit
Rule 2: Dont get surrounded so you dont get hit
cunning urchin
I also don't even see the crossed-out boons most of the time.
tranquil violet
To contradict myself somewhat
I wouldn't mind some more bullet hell type bosses
Though it's not really a good fit for the game admittedly
tranquil violet
Asphodel = dashing away from explosions the game
cunning urchin
Try some BP2 FO2 runs lol.
tranquil violet
I still need to beat Hades
tranquil violet
I did almost just do it on my first try
But I had a horrendously broken build and had no clue what I was doing
Cumulative 30+ levels on boons
Two duos, one legendary
A couple chaos boons and a couple Hermes boons
Squandered my acorn and a defiance
I have much gud to be gitting
I thought Razor Shoals would suck
I was wrong. It was great.
golden elm
Important rule of winning games:
Rule 1: Dont get hit
Rule 2: Dont get surrounded so you dont get hit
@brisk trench
Rule 3: don't die
turbid needle
How does the Ares/Poseidon duo work with Hera aspect?
brisk trench
Just wasted all my Defiance on a tartarus ||Charon fight||. Worth it? Probably not but hey mone is cool
cunning urchin
You're guaranteed two boons from Lord Hermes on any run.
cunning urchin
It's just back to pre-1.0 damage in the test branch.
You shouldn't be going by what's in the test branch because that's not final.
cunning urchin
Chiron is good, anyway.
cunning urchin
They're still making adjustments in the test branch.
errant narwhal
you could ask in #test-branch-discussion
limber flax
ah didnt see that thx
spare scaffold
I know we are guaranteed 2 Hermes boon and 2 Daedalus hammer per run, but let's say if they come up and I opt to not choose them do I just miss out of them for the run or I have to pick them up as chamber reward to count towards the quota; i.e. I can ignore 2 instances of Hermes/Daedalus and still get them as rewards afterwards
drifting vale
You can ignore them now and get them later
Theres just a cap on how many can spawn as a chamber reward
You can actually get a third Hermes boon from the styx shop or technically a third hammer
untold vortex
only one or the other though
drifting vale
Correct
untold vortex
anvil as much as I love the idea, I really would like to be able to pick the hammer you lose
drifting vale
Same
fierce thicket
yeah anvil feels useless
untold vortex
I wouldn't say useless, it's niche
you have the possibility of swapping out bad hammers for maybe good ones (even if it is RNG)
cobalt field
at which point can I use the ambrosia?
worn crypt
I'm going to grind all day today for 100+% dodge. Because I swear I didn't take damage the one time I had it. But it feels multiplicative instead of additive any other time. And it's really bugging me.
untold vortex
it's apparantly inverse multiplicative
dodge is definitely not additive though
DR and crit damage aren't additive either
DR being Damage Reduction
(I don't know about god mode DR though)
worn crypt
I had a build with 105% dodge last week and didn't take damage after getting there
untold vortex
yeah that's straight up not possible
worn crypt
Right, it doesn't seem like it should be. Which is why I'd like to get it again to test
untold vortex
if dodge chance where additive maybe, but it's not ^_^
true linden
did you have a bunch of damage resist as well/healing?
untold vortex
the way I've seen it explained is if you have 15% dodge (let's say from hermes) and 22% (from plume). The calculation works out to be (1-0.15)(1-0.22) to give you the chance to not dodge (as a decimal)
tranquil violet
Serrated + extended spear /w Poseidon strike
Just total beatdown mode
No strategy just mash dash strike
Dynasty Warriors Mode
worn crypt
Nope. I mean I only had the 100% vs hadrsy and max chill and it was not EM4, and I was dashing for attack cancels, so I guess it's maybe possible, albeit extremely unlikely, that I just got dodge rng on every hit that would've connected.
brisk trench
.85*.78 = .663 then
untold vortex
so in this example it works out to be a 66.3% chance of getting hit
worn crypt
Because it does seem like it is multiplicative
untold vortex
or a 33.7% dodge chance
worn crypt
I will just chalk that up to extreme luck then
brisk trench
66.85% with near miss
untold vortex
inverse multiplicative it seems (effectively the same as multiplicative, but the nuance can be important)
tranquil violet
Serrated + extended spear with Poseidon strike, and Zeus dash + his legendary + Hermes extra dodges and jolt so you're always damaging while dodging
= Dynasty Warriors mode
untold vortex
niceu mimic :3
tranquil violet
Just keep spamming dash strikes and dodging nonstop
brisk trench
In that case aggy do DR and Weak stack with each other or separately?
worn crypt
Spamming dash strike and dodges sounds like my strategy for every build :p
untold vortex
I'm not sure of the specifics of that one
tranquil violet
This one is really fun
untold vortex
I'm sure someone does and that someone ain't me
tranquil violet
I literally don't stop moving or dodging
Special also has Zeus boons so even when I jump across the map I'm doing damage
Every single movement does damage
It's great
true linden
@tranquil violet that's me but with gilgamesh and sturdy dashes
true linden
add on some poseidon dashes and demeter punches
as well as no knockback piercing attacks
worn crypt
I have attempted a DR/weak build. Can't find/roll one that I really like. It sounds fun in theory tho, maybe I'll try to make that happen today.
tranquil violet
Just beat the witches with little damage
By just attacking through all the bullets
Nonstop
Like a lawnmower
Love it
Just like dynasty warriors
It was only good against a bunch of mobs
Not against Theseus
brisk trench
For the purposes of companions, hades is one encounter right?
worn crypt
Ya
worn citrus
If I'm aiming for a specific legendary boon (to fill out my prophecy list) what's the best way to go about that for rerolling talent? Reroll rooms (to get right god) or reroll boon offerings once I've gotten the right god?
unkempt zephyr
If I'm aiming for a specific legendary boon (to fill out my prophecy list) what's the best way to go about that for rerolling talent? Reroll rooms (to get right god) or reroll boon offerings once I've gotten the right god?
@worn citrus comply with the conditions. and take in mirror +10% chance to legendary and Duo. and best to find Chaos on + rare.
worn crypt
Use fated persuasion (reroll boons offered) @worn citrus and obv use the keepsake for that god. Try to avoid taking other gods as that will dilute your pool of gods for the run.
worn citrus
Keepsake for that god only works in one zone though, right?
half crater
it forces the first boon of a zone to be of that god, yeh
worn citrus
Yeah, but I can't actually get four boons out of it. I only get one and then it's useless so I might as well switch it first chance I get?
cunning urchin
Try to avoid taking other gods as that will dilute your pool of gods for the run.
That's not how it works.
unkempt zephyr
Keepsake for that god only works in one zone though, right?
@worn citrus its offer to you 1 boon 100% from it/But its increase chance to find more boons from god.And Increase rare of boon. Including duo and legendary.
im use this alote to have MY build in runs.not randon offerings
cunning urchin
Taking 1 god locks them in for the run. The remaining 3 slots are random, but they can't be the god you already have. So avoiding other gods makes no difference.
worn citrus
Wait, it has other effects than just forcing one boon?
half crater
Yeah, but I can't actually get four boons out of it. I only get one and then it's useless so I might as well switch it first chance I get?
@worn citrus basically, yes
worn citrus
...Damn.
cunning urchin
It doesn't increase the odds for the god to show up.
half crater
you take it to force a god into your pool, then switch it out next zone
tranquil violet
Huh. Trippy shot can really stack damage
Is there any boon that would help recover shards faster though?
worn crypt
The keepsake gives 10/15/20% increased rarity chance
tranquil violet
Slow as hell right now and I have to dash back in to get them
cunning urchin
It just increases your odds for higher rarity including Legendary and Duo Boons.
tranquil violet
(Using Hera bow.)
half crater
they do also have an increased rarity chance, but that usually isn’t enough to keep them past 1 zone imo
cunning urchin
@tranquil violet Trippy Shot wants Stygian Soul.
worn crypt
If all you care about is finding a legendary for that god it is worth it though
tranquil violet
That's the green shard one right?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
tranquil violet
Where they just respawn every 5s or such?
half crater
3s
cunning urchin
Every 3 seconds at max level.
tranquil violet
I've mostly maxed out the red talents
And regen
Need to explore the other green
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul for non-lodging casts. Infernal Soul lodging casts.
tranquil violet
Dark regen is just unequivocally better tbh
worn crypt
Sorry for the misinformation about god pools Nyaanyaa, and ty for the correction.
tranquil violet
Though idk, maybe the +3hp would be good if you were avoiding darkness
For some reason
half crater
you still lose a pile of regen after bosses
tranquil violet
Yeah that's big
half crater
dark regen every time imo
cunning urchin
There's a fountain after bosses.
cunning urchin
Just don't get hit so much. 
cunning urchin
I run LC4 always, so they don't really matter to me lol.
worn citrus
Well, I tried to get a Demeter run going
tranquil violet
How does that interact with Stygian Soul?
worn citrus
But I ended up just getting a lot of poseidon instead
half crater
stygian soul bloodstones still leave targets
they just don’t fall out and sit on the ground afterwards
so exit wounds works basically the same
barren otter
I'd argue that exit wounds works even better with stygian soul, especially if you get multiple casts.
half crater
i haven’t done the math, but it certainly feels like it activates exit wounds more times/second
and the goal with infernal soul is to spam your casts and kill things before you have to wait for them to pop out, anyway
so when everything is working, EW doesn’t do much against non bosses
true linden
I usually go darkness healing if I have death defiance, the 3hp per room with stubborn is just too good imo
half crater
if i have SD i have LC4 lol
true linden
(lc4?)
desert ether
hello, could anyone tell me how to unlock hidden aspects ?
I unlocked every single aspect of every weapon, did put some points on some aspects, and even has 1 to the max. STILL I didn't unlocked any aspect
half crater
check the pins in #h1-story-discussion, there’s one that explains how to unlock hidden aspects
LC is lasting consequences, the heat pact that reduces healing
LC4 means it’s reduced by 100%
half crater
in that case, i’m afraid it’s just rng
if you keep doing runs ||and talking to achilles|| you’ll get it eventually
wary tangle
It’s literally just rng
half crater
same tbh
cunning urchin
Yeah, Stygian Soul is better for Exit Wounds.
Unless you're using Poseidon Aspect.
turbid needle
im wondering about olympian favor vs dark foresight
like been trying the latter one for a while and cant really find it anymore useful than without it
half crater
dark foresight is the meta i think?
i switched to it recently and i think it’s better
stuck bobcat
Whats the build for hidden sword? Crit or Aphro?
cunning urchin
Yes.
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike.
I like Heartbreak Strike the most.
Sets you up for Smoldering Air.
Weak + Holy Aura alone will more than double your effective HP.
unkempt zephyr
probably i create a picture with artur sword build) to just post it) i pref athena attack.becaus its work OP with special aura.
and with artemis some were you can get 20% crit chance from duo. thats make already big hit one shot enemy.
cunning urchin
I actually prefer Divine Flourish for those Deflects in your aura.
Just 360° of deflect.
unkempt zephyr
in special i wana do some changes. its be probably ahro or demeter.
when you have athena attack special aphro and aid artemis. its almost best combo fo Big crit swings and surviving at same time
i need change my hades Fo2 HL5 Em4 save for this build.
stuck bobcat
Is damage reduction addactive? Or does it have dimishing returns?
In theory if I have enhanced weak + aura hammer arthur + passive from athena it adds up pretty nicely 🤔
turbid needle
it will still reduced by alot
turbid needle
fist
edgy delta
ok
turbid needle
depend on the playstyle
unkempt zephyr
becaus ahillies brasers 30% aura 40% and aphro 30%+ total be 100%.
edgy delta
i play sheild alot
unkempt zephyr
and this dont work like that)
turbid needle
i actually like fist and spear for their fast play style
sometimes i run either rama or chiron bow because they are only good ones
cunning urchin
Damage reduction is multiplicative.
unkempt zephyr
probably its wors like in Diablo 3
turbid needle
if dodge and damage reduction are additive, they will simply be too OP
cunning urchin
Effective HP = HP / (1 – damage reduction)
Adding more damage reduction or dodge will always benefit you a lot.
Assuming you need it, anyway.
No point in getting more eHP than you need.
hearty elbow
But the amount you "need" will vary kind of wildly depending on the day and how well you're playing lol. It's a measurable number if you're grinded out a boss like a hundred times and know how many hits you take on average, but "more is better" with EHP is a pretty solid approach.
cunning urchin
Yeah, but it's a difficult balance between eHP and DPS.
unkempt zephyr
when you have athena attack special aphro and aid artemis. its almost best combo fo Big crit swings and surviving at same time
@unkempt zephyr for me this one of the best choose to have EHP and DPS. becaus Duos grow up damage side.and additional boons from gods grow up one side or another.
quaint warren
I have two competed runs with the shield but I still just don't like it. Can anyone recommend a build for the shield to change my mind?
rare kayak
zeus aspect + zeus special is always fun
or dio special
otherwise beowulf can have some fancy stuff going on
hearty elbow
What shield have you used?
quaint warren
I'm still trying to unlock the hidden aspects unfortunately. The one build I liked i had doom buffs on the Zeus aspect with the duo boon that lets your attack automatically trigger the doom damage
I just unlocked the Chaos aspect last night
hearty elbow
Yeah that's Merciful End, it's great
quaint warren
Only 2 pts currently
hearty elbow
Chaos is unfortunate because you need to max it for it to be worthwhile, but I do still enjoy it with like stuff like Thunder Flourish. I haven't tried the shotgun damage builds with it yet, so I can't speak to their efficacy.
quaint warren
What about poseidon with the built-in knockback? Does his knockback effects just add to the existing knockback?
hearty elbow
I believe that's how that works? I virtually never use Poseidon's attack or special though, so maybe someone else can chime in with that.
limber flax
what are some of the best aspects at low level?
quaint warren
I would say Chiron is top tier all day
limber flax
with low level i mean low amount of blood invested
with 4 arrows it doesnt do much i think
quaint warren
I managed to complete the fists of Malphon with only one or two points in the magnet hands one
Idk I've done pretty well with it. Especially if you pick up the +4 arrow hammer
hearty elbow
what are some of the best aspects at low level?
@limber flax Zag Bow is amazing at every heat, Zag Rail Level 0 with Lightning Strike, Zag Fist Level 5, Nemesis Level 1 (it gets way better with levels but Level 1 is already better than Level 5 Zag Sword by a sizable margin)
quaint warren
Nemesis is awesome, will agree
quaint warren
Only reason I completed the sword lol
hearty elbow
Yes, Zag Level 5 is 5 blood
limber flax
but zag and second aspect are same amount of blood right?
hearty elbow
No
limber flax
oh
quaint warren
You can change your ambrosia early game pretty freely into blood. You don't need a lot of it and you don't need it for a while
limber flax
yea i do that
hearty elbow
I think it's because aspect 2 is 1>2>3>4>5, and 3 is 3>3>3>3>3, I don't remember the pattern for aspect 3
I would save Ambrosia upto a point though, probably 15-20? You'll need 11 minimum, and will be very sad without it, with no spoilers.
limber flax
ive heard ambriosa is quite endgame
and titan blood is very important at my stage rn
so
hearty elbow
You can end up spending it surprisingly early if you keep talking to people
And some people just happen to always be in the house. Like Meg.
limber flax
i dont talk that much with the npcs
hearty elbow
Oh. Fix that.
limber flax
i mean
hearty elbow
It has direct gameplay implications
quaint warren
Yeah dude you're missing out on the entire story
limber flax
i talk to them out of reflex bc of the "!"
hearty elbow
And the story is awesome
limber flax
and then nothing happends
quaint warren
Give em nectar
hearty elbow
But even if you don't give a poop about the story, gameplay implications.
quaint warren
Yeah
limber flax
i like the main plot of the story with zagreus but im not a big fan of the dialogue all the time
silk anvil
But even if you don't give a poop about the story, gameplay implications.
@hearty elbow besides unlocking initial trinkets, what gameplay implications? Unless you're referring to dated contracts
soft pine
you gotta bribe the story out of em!
hearty elbow
@hearty elbow besides unlocking initial trinkets, what gameplay implications? Unless you're referring to dated contracts
@silk anvil E.g. ||You eventually unlock the ability use Companions against Dad||
silk anvil
i really hate the dialogue for boons
@limber flax that's because you're not getting into the spirit of embodying ZAG MAN
limber flax
i thought spoilers are allowed here
silk anvil
@silk anvil E.g. ||You eventually unlock the ability use Companions against Dad||
@hearty elbow, pish posh, I suppose so
hearty elbow
You also need to talk to people a lot to get hidden aspects
silk anvil
i thought spoilers are allowed here
@limber flax dealers choice, tbh. They're allowed, considering the nature of the channel, but some people err on the side of caution still
hearty elbow
We err on the side of caution for 1.0 stuff
Since there's a large portion of the community who played Early Access and are trickling back in to play 1.0
limber flax
are ||companions|| that important?
hearty elbow
Yes
limber flax
for hight heat
hearty elbow
Especially there, but for instance Bouldy is a healing and meta resource generating machine
Companions can be used to burst down mini-bosses in seconds, or to significantly shorten boss fights
river sable
not even just high heat, basically another level of power creep you can obtain
silk anvil
I wish I hadnt been trained to be so stingy with their use; it's a case of "I'll use it when I need it" leading into never using it
river sable
Well of Charon has your back if you do manage to use all of them before final boss ;)
hearty elbow
Also, heads up @limber flax , when you spend blood on new aspects, as long as you do not leave the Courtyard, you can play around with, and then Give Up to go back to the home screen, which will revert the save when you entered the Courtyard. In effect, you can get basically a Steam refund on your aspects lol.
rare kayak
sisyphus is usually meta companion because free money and healing depending on your heats but other companions are nice for cool burs stuff
for example mashing meg on theseus can hit both for 5k damage total, 2.5k split which is real nice
silk anvil
I'll sooner kill mobs by a death of a thousand paper cuts than use my one-punch-man item!
hearty elbow
I recommend 22 Ambrosia for "endgame", which gives you max Bouldy and max another Companion. I'd recommend Meg but people will have strong opinions about their favorites, and they're all good for one reason or another.
limber flax
Also, heads up @limber flax , when you spend blood on new aspects, as long as you do not leave the Courtyard, you can play around with, and then Give Up to go back to the home screen, which will revert the save when you entered the Courtyard. In effect, you can get basically a Steam refund on your aspects lol.
@hearty elbow ah yeah i know lol
been using that
vital mountain
So any advice from people on using ||Arthur Aspect||?
rare kayak
also a godsend against certain really bad minibosses like the couple
plus companion burst helps a lot against big soul catcher because u wanna end that fight earlier
vital mountain
Or am I better to just upgrade ||Guan Yu?||
rare kayak
upgrade gy
hearty elbow
So any advice from people on using ||Arthur Aspect||?
@vital mountain Greater Consecration, and use Deadly Strike + Divine Dash
Other than that, it's mostly execution. You can continue your Strike > Strike2 > Strike3 combo even if you dash between those attacks, which is great for repositioning
rare kayak
i personally like antos now just because its got much better tracking and i only really use companions on bosses anyway
vital mountain
I only have Rib rn, and I wish I had a better one
rare kayak
skelly aint bad honestly
vital mountain
I know but it feels like its no help with bosses
hearty elbow
Rib is fine on its own. Really nice for Erebus gates, and excellent at EM2
hearty elbow
Skelly obliterates the second add phase of EM2 lol. Place it in the docks and you have infinite time and freedom to kill the heads.
vital mountain
But yeah so should I get Sword aspect or upgrade Spear aspect?
hearty elbow
We can't really answer that question for you lol
vital mountain
Yeah its hard but fun ngl
rare kayak
and yeah gy is probably the only aspect u wanna max before using
vital mountain
I love the special doesn't leave you unarmed
rare kayak
gy special is bonkers hitbox lmao
hearty elbow
yeah
quaint warren
Thoughts on lucifer aspect? Looks cool but how does it play?
hearty elbow
Worse defensively and offensively
With no special
(The special is... unwieldy, at best)
quaint warren
What about the 5 shot? Do the explosions chain of they're close enough?
river sable
I agree with Megidalyne
Ooo haven't gotten 5 shot on it yet
hearty elbow
Cluster Bomb? Yeah, the Hellfire explosions will chain. I don't remember getting it either... is it even offered? I only played Lucifer a lot on its release in Early Access
quaint warren
I do not know. I was planning on getting it first after getting GY but Achilles has been frustratingly silent on the matter
hearty elbow
Lucifer especially though lmao
half crater
truth
rare kayak
the thing is that the ramping sounds good but in practice it means you only kill on like the last half of your ammo for one enemy
quaint warren
Yeah true
hearty elbow
The startup and recovery of the laser are also literally killer
rare kayak
well unless u get zeus attack
hearty elbow
And lasers can't destroy (or Deflect, with Athena) projectiles
quaint warren
I would think it would be usable with flurry shot but you shouldn't need a hammer to make the weapon usable
hearty elbow
All of Lucifer's best traits are done way better by Eris.
quaint warren
Oh that's unfortunate about the projectiles
hearty elbow
So if you like that playstyle, there you go
rare kayak
well if theres one thing i think lucifer does better than other aspects is i find it easier to hit the special explosion
since you can proc it yourself
hearty elbow
You may be the Chosen ONe
rare kayak
but thats not really mch
hearty elbow
Because exploding my own bombs myself with more than 1 enemy on the screen is a hair pulling endeavor
rare kayak
god no
hearty elbow
I have done 40 with it. It was so painful
rare kayak
i mean without inescapable i find that my specials on normal rail misses a lot
enemies just run away
lucifer at least gives the option to explode it later
hearty elbow
Do you use KBM or non-auto aim on controller?
rare kayak
kbm
hearty elbow
That explains it
half crater
non auto aim controller
hearty elbow
Try auto aim on controller with Hellfire bombs and come back to me lmao
half crater
i think that is your problem right there
hearty elbow
It is. The. Most. Infuriating. Experience.
frigid saffron
yeah that's the first time i turned off autoaim
rare kayak
well i mean thats a bit biased because ive got like 80 hrs of kbm muscle memory
so everything on controller is gonna suck
hearty elbow
Nah, it's a well known and documented issue with Lucifer on pad.
Hopefully they address it
The target selection and switching sensitivity for bombs is so whack
half crater
i can’t imagine using any rail special very accurately on controller
half crater
but i think that’s just cause i’m rubbish at controllers
hearty elbow
Eris is fine, you just aim ahead of you and dash to the explosion
half crater
yeah or those
hearty elbow
8 seocnds is forever, and you get a "free" bomb on reload
quaint warren
I just controller, it isn't that bad
Except for the 5 bomb
But when I get that I go for the shotgun rocket build
hearty elbow
Eris + rocket bomb or cluster bomb makes it brain dead
half crater
i got both by accident once lol
had random trash for a build and i basically slept through the last third of the game at 32
calm oyster
yoooo antos is soooo good on the megagorgon/skull crusher fight
worn crypt
Who decided that fist needs a hammer upgrade that deals 900% damage to armor? "900%" shouldn't be text anywhere in this game.
calm oyster
lol
half crater
breaching cross is still... quite good, tho
hearty elbow
It is one of the best hammers in the game, yes
But it's not like insano busto or whatever. Depending on heat you probably should be taking Long Knuckle over it anyway.
half crater
true, particularly on ME fists
river sable
I hate being in last stage without some reach on the fists. Stupid poison
hearty elbow
Elysium and Dad are very different with Breaching Cross though. Elites are killer and you can't stun lock stuff with armor
half crater
after many hours i have finally discovered the prostrat for poison
just facetank the satyrs but kill everything so fast you don’t take any poison ticks
half crater
works every time some of the time
potent ember
kill everything before it kills you
hearty elbow
"Facetank the Satyrs" Bold play lol.
calm oyster
but yeah gotta focus satyrs
the spit is so annoying when trying to deal with other enemies
vital mountain
300 damage on sword special lets go
potent ember
satyrs are the primal aspids of this game if u get it
hearty elbow
Oh for sure
I'm 400 hours into this game and I still can't dodge the elite miniboss satyr volley
Maybe 500 at this point + Switch?
half crater
satyrs are the primal aspids of this game if u get it
@potent ember this... this is painfully correct
worn crypt
I just hide behind the pillar 🤷♀️
hearty elbow
Yeah, maybe I'm just trash, I get shotgunned when I try to do that lol
river sable
mini-boss in that stage and instant companion for me unless it's Tiny
calm oyster
demeter fists: breaching cross, long knuckle, or rush kick
already have colossus knucle
im thinking long knuckle?
worn crypt
I mean he is very fast and I don't think I've encountered him on an FO run, so it's still difficult
hearty elbow
The classic choice. Breaching Cross vs. Long Knuckle
worn citrus
I prefer long knuckle
hearty elbow
Can't go wrong with either, but you have to remember to use Breaching Cross :3
worn citrus
The extra range offsets what I see as the only weakness of fists
half crater
how do you not use breaching cross
hearty elbow
If you hold the attack button and mentally afk
potent ember
question - do u get higher dps from A - just holding attack with fists and dash striking after the combo or B - spamming dash strike and getting a few punches between
hearty elbow
More advanced play would be to use the dash-strike > buffered dash-upper, which is possible in 1 dash
And both benefit from Breaching Cross
half crater
huh didn’t know that
river sable
I spam dash-strike lol
half crater
so you just go straight from dash strike to special and they all happen at once or something?
I don’t think you quite want to go all the way to spamming dash strike, but you definitely want to cancel your sequence before it ends
so somewhere in between A and B i think
potent ember
thats what i was thinking
hearty elbow
so you just go straight from dash strike to special and they all happen at once or something?
@half crater It happens smoothly in sequence yeah
You have to press kinda fast but it's not like crazy or anything
half crater
neat
potent ember
so its like you dash strike then immediately dash upper right after? huh
half crater
have to do some more fists runs
i think you dash strike -> special and the special becomes a dash upper off your dash strike
if i’m understanding it correctly
hearty elbow
Yep
thin sequoia
yeah, you buffer the attack during the dash and special coming out of it
half crater
which is neat, as i’m never quite sure where to put my special in my sequence
hearty elbow
It's effectively free, and probably the way you should be dash uppering in general
river sable
Super useful to know, thanks ledger
hearty elbow
It happens in the time window that Dash Upper would happen by itself (I do not know if this is true to like, the frame count degree, but it feels extremely similar)
If you're like, a savant or something, 1000 IQ plays to dash-strike + upper on the 11th stack of Demeter fists
sacred wing
Good Fists build? 👊🏻
hearty elbow
Merciful End, Lightning Strike, or punch em real good and safe with Divine Strike
half crater
gotta be real good at counting to 11 lol
hearty elbow
Demeter aspect likes Deadly Flourish
thin sequoia
yeah, demeter aspect with Ares attack, Athena dash/special, Merciful End is the classic busted fist thing rn
hearty elbow
@sacred wingExtremely counterintuitively, but the highest single target DPS on Fists (with no Duos or attack speed considered) is Curse of Agony.
Which is what makes the Merciful End build so good, even after it was nerfed to be less consistent. You already have the optimal damage attack boon and the optimal dash (Divine)
calm oyster
im running demeter fists with aphro attack, im in styx rn and picked up unhealthy fixation
wondering if i should purge for the achievement or just keep it and get that achievement later
charm is still good for shutting down the final boss's attacks right?
hearty elbow
It's hard to get the omegalol Asterius killing Theseus charms with Fists, but it's still fine
calm oyster
dude i got so close to asterius hitting theseus a few times
but he's too fast in his chariot lol
hearty elbow
But Asterius is the best boy. Rude.
calm oyster
heartbreak strike, deadly flourish, divine dash, support fire, heart rend, unhealthy fixation, colossus knuckle, long knuckle
this build is insane rn
hearty elbow
Explosive Upper + Deadly Flourish on Demeter is the bees knees
turbid needle
hey quick question
does hermes's legendary "bad news" work with ares's cast shot
y'know the whirling blade thingie
unkempt pagoda
yes
hearty elbow
Lol, you'll have to remind me which one is Bad News
unkempt pagoda
the cast doesn't lodge, so it always benefits
turbid needle
ye
hearty elbow
Ah. That's... why in the world is that legendary
hearty elbow
It works yeah
half crater
yeah it’s nowhere near the level of huge catch
turbid needle
okay neat
cobalt pivot
Does someone know if attack speed from Swift Strike affect bow's charging time or just the animation speed ? I feel like it's not doing much but maybe it's just me
turbid needle
i've never had huge catch
half crater
huge catch is poseidon’s meme legendary
hearty elbow
One of his meme legendaries
potent ember
is second wave even good? does knocking back twice do more damage?
calm oyster
huge catch looks to be easier to get n the test branch now that conch shell is prereq