#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 643

solid raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Gotcha. Good to know

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Was this close to clearing on 3rd run

solid raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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I wish I knew that before I pumped 15 blood into chaos shield.

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Ah well. I still have 5 blood and cleared with base bow and base rail, so I guess I'll put some into them.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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base rail is nice with the 24 bullets

solid raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Yeah I bet

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I guess rail it is.

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Thanks!

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Which of the other zagreus aspects are good?

old mason Oct 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Level 0 > 1 for spear is a pretty nice bonus

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Fists, 15% evade

solid raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I have a level 3 achilles spear. Is it worth using the zagreus? And a level 1 talos

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:05 AM

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base spear is just... meh

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Soo... I just got charged volley and deadly flourish on bow

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I don't think I can lose this run

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I really don't -get- Aspect of Gilgamesh at all.

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I think the fast dashes throw off my timings.

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I feel like I take so much free damage.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:21 AM

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use Ruthless Reflex with Gilgamesh

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Does that prevent it from double dashing from one button press?

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I'm having trouble dodging things as it stands.

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I'm just going to zero heat win with it and never use it again.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:22 AM

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it's one of the best fists aspects tho

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don't have any issues with double dashing

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:23 AM

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I don't agree. It doesn't work for me.

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It doesn't seem best at all.

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Far too clunky.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:24 AM

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extra status for Privileged Status, extra damage taken by monsters, huge swipes, extra dashes, even if you don't use maim it's extra dashes

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maybe try Youtubing and see how people are using it

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:25 AM

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I don't think it applies for priveleged status.

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Since Rama's effect doesn't.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:26 AM

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I remember it working fine

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Rama? Nope.

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Only normal debuffs from Olympians.

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Don't weapons.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:26 AM

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I was talking about Maim

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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I could test it.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Rama isn't doing anything

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Either way, I prefer normal fists heavily.

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Proper dashes that don't chain if you hold the button.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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why are you holding the dash button tho

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Maim is too clunky for normal rooms and too slow for bosses.

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If I press the button too long it still does it.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:28 AM

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never had an issue with it, anyway it's your choice

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Or press too fast.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:28 AM

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again, try Youtubing and see how people are using it

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:28 AM

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I can imagine how people are using it.

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And I've seen a bit.

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But I'm going to just zero heat it and then go back to the 30s with weapons I enjoy more.

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Looks like most videos have people doing the same. No heating it. 😄

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:34 AM

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what?

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 8:35 AM

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YESSS

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Or basically no heat.

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 8:35 AM

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1 HP LEFT

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BUT I DID IT

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:35 AM

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I've seen people talk about maim but never the multiple dodge issue, you're the first

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:37 AM

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I just click a lot while dodging at times.

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I can slow down, but with forced overtime 2, I don't have that luxury usually.

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 8:39 AM

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My tactic with gilgamesh is a hit and run kind of approach. Run in, maim, dodge out. If it's safe, put on a few more hits

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:41 AM

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you can try messaging high heat speedrunners and see if they have the same issue, or submit an issue with #h1-tech-support

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I just didn't encounter the same issue when playing

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:41 AM

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I mean I can press the buttons more slowly, I don't need to message people for that.

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I just don't like how the weapon works.

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The mechanics aren't that great, I feel like Zag fists or demeter fists are head and shoulders above it.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:42 AM

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big swipes 🤷‍♂️

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maim can be improved

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:44 AM

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I prefer fast precise damage 😄

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Rather than swipes that become kitten scratches if I'm dash striking.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:44 AM

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for the eternal spear, you can try spin attack + Athena attack (deflect)

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for the hidden aspect of Malphon, you already have ||4 dash (or 3), so make use of dash-strike||

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:46 AM

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The dash strike does way way less damage.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:46 AM

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when should you use maim? when your enemies are in pause state (they attack, pause, attack, pause,...), use maim quickly then run away

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the crucial thing is not high dmg output

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it's about survival

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I lost a lot of HP because I overused maim

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so you have 2 ways

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fast attack: attack or dash-strike

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slow attack: maim

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use 1 for fast foes like the Exalted

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use 2 for slow foes

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Can't I just not like a weapon aspect in peace 😄

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I used to be like you and was beaten by Hades 😆

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 8:52 AM

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unfortunately buffing the dash strike damage would mean ||gil|| becomes even more of a Merciful End.exe

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:52 AM

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BTW, you can maim Hades the boss

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:52 AM

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eh, I didn't like Spears until GY and even then, people don't like it

deft raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:52 AM

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ive not unlocked gil fists but im reallly interested in them, could somebody explain the maim mechanics?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 8:53 AM

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when should you use maim? ~~when your enemies are in pause state (they attack, pause, attack, pause,...), use maim quickly then run away~~ never

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:53 AM

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for ||Guan Yu|| I like to use|| spin attack to restore HP ||

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spear is strong (hidden aspect)

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Thanks Nyaanyaa 😄

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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basically a "Doom"ish status that you can inflict with dash special, enemies does 50% more damage to you but they take 25% more damage, 400 damage when maim triggers after... 4 seconds?

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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that's not true Nyaan, ||Maim is perfect for wanting to die faster||...I mean what

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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That's been my impression.

deft raptor Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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@limber pine thanks. that doesnt seem beginner friendly at all haha, guess ill stick with chaos

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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I just like being Wolverine

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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@untold vortex exactly!

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 8:54 AM

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It's Hazard Bomb but without the chance to avoid damage.

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And with more self-damage.

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And you don't hurt enemies.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:55 AM

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that's why I tell ppl not to overuse maim

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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The proper way to play Fists 4 is to unmap your Special button.

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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map special button as secondary attack button squirtdevious

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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If I use Maim it's on bosses or things that I want to overkill

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Unmap Dash and Attack. Only use Special.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:57 AM

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maim is great but only if you use it the right way

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Or if I have rush kick cause I might as well do an upper while I get closer

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Rush kick is so bad

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Maim sucks. The right way to use it is to not use.

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Sorry, but . . .

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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🤷‍♂️

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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But what if I wanted to kick someone at the other side of the chamber

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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I used Maim on Hades the boss

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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kick your TV/monitor with your RL leg

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 8:58 AM

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when he's in maim state, his dmg is even higher

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so I keep running, moving and avoiding him

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:00 AM

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See, I just hold down Attack + Dash and murder him with Merciful End.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:00 AM

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as you can see, he doesn't attack you constantly. When he doesn't you can use whatever you want

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when he's attacking, it's best to avoid it

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I have a laptop and my leg doesn't go through the table

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:01 AM

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You're not kicking hard enough yet.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Ok fair.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Taking damage from Hades doesn't matter tbh if you can just zerg him down.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Yeah, Hades isn't too hard without EM4.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:04 AM

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With Fists 4 and ME, he's more phase-shifting than attacking anything.

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Basically, he spends more time dying than fighting.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 9:05 AM

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do you have double dashing issues with 1 tap for Fist 4?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Nope.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Yeah, I solved that by clicking faster and less fast tapping.

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It's not complicated, it's just a nuisance.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I just hold dash until I reach my target usually

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Ah damit I have ideas now but they closed feedback.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 9:13 AM

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answer to everything, press the button faster

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Well.

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If you can't vote, protest.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:14 AM

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There we go, Gilgamesh win.

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Just needed to not have forced overtime.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Spoiler-aspect win, you mean.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:15 AM

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How exactly do I protest in a discord server

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:15 AM

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You don't. Get out on the street.

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dusa

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I will protest by playing more Hades later. That counts as Zag going on the street right

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 AM

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get your pitchfork emote 🍴

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 AM

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definitely counts

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 AM

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But you can't hurt anyone.

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Peaceful protest.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:17 AM

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What are they gonna do to stop me, kill Zag?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Nerf your favorite aspect.

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And kill Zag, yes.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Oh no not Hades spear

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I guess I'll just go back to fisting things

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:18 AM

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So uh this is my first time using Poseidon's Call and it's heroic... and I have Eris maxed out and I got Rip Current

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Welcome to 600 damage, how do you feel

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Hey Nyaanyaa, while you're here, can I ask you something?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:18 AM

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You just did.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:18 AM

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How would you rank Rail aspects, by your preference?

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Well a second thing then 😄

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Hestia and Eris are pretty even.

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Rail 1 and 4 err . . . exist.

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Rail 4 is worse rail 1.

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Rail 1 is worse rail 2.

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Zag rail is fine but needs hammers to actually work

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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What else can I slap on top of Poseidon call for added ridiculousness?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Smoldering Air, so you get to call every 5 seconds.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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What does that require?

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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All his T2 boons are pretty ridiculous. Or his legendary in Asphodel

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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oh, so I wasn't crazy when I like Zag more than 4th

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Besides the obvious? You could get Weak from Lady Aphrodite, and the boon that makes you do more damage while they're weak.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Any core boon from Lady Aphrodite + Lord Zeus + any call.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:21 AM

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And that will also put you on track for Smoldering Air.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Hmm can't do it in time, act 3 already

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I have a zeus and poseidon boon in the same room right now but no Aphrodite on me

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Zeus could get you more calls, and more damage after using your call.

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So that'll be helpful.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:22 AM

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You can get Sea Storm if you have a core boon from Lord Zeus.

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Basically, just keep going for Poseidon and Lord Zeus boons.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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If it's a favor of the gods room, can't get a Duo right there and then though.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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And put poms on Poseidon's Aid.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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As a note.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Not been lucky with poms and his call

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It's only level 2 but it's heroic

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:24 AM

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The temple of Styx will probably give you a few more chances to Pom it.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Only 1 pom and even with a reroll I didn't get it

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Oof.

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Oh well.

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Poseidon Call doesn't need more help to be stronk.

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Bleh. Eris Aspect is strong, but it feels so much less FUN than big Hestia snipes.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Yeah I like Hestia but it's high maintenance

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:29 AM

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I've gotten very accustomed to it by now.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Maintenance?

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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I think they mean reloading after every shot

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Eris is more high maintences though, honestly.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Just use ||Lucifer|| It's the best IMO

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you can try

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Oh man Poseidon's call crit for 3k on Hades because I had Pressure Points

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Phew. Nice one.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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By high maintenance I meant it's mechanically demanding. Not that it's hard but you constantly have to rocket, reload and make sure you hit dash strikes

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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yes

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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I feel like Eris is cruising compared to it

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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switch to || Lucifer || for easy kill

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Only aspect I haven't unlocked yet

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I've had the requirements for it forever

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I'm around 40 clears without it unlocked

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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4th rail is so slow thi

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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yes

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Also the special needs some help

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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but easy

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Lucifer is so much worse.

sharp anvil Oct 3, 2020, 9:36 AM

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I just never pick Zeus boons because I run Chiron 90% of the time

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Lucifer deflect, what do you think?

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(Athena special)

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:36 AM

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n

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:36 AM

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enemies just kill themselves

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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If I remember right, Deflect on Lucifer is really bad.

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Since it only works on the tip of the gun.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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no

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the hellfire ball

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Oh, on the special.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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automatically deflect for you

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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A resounding -meh-.

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On that.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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try it

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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you shoot anywhere near the ball, you make it explode

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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very funny

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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there goes your shield

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I've tried most everything with it 😄

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:37 AM

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make sure you hit dash strikes
You don't need Dash-Strikes on Hestia. They don't really add much damage, and you're just left without a dash for i-frames when you need them.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Lucifer aspect is -fine-, especially after the 1.0 buffs.

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But it's no Hestia.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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use Triple Bomb

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Other Dash Boons: This is good
Points at Athena Dash -> But I like this better

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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never stop producing hellfire ball

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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would rather just run Eris and kill everything already anyway

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I could shoot my full clip in order to do damage... Or just Hestia twice and do more damage faster.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:38 AM

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you can also combine Athena special and dash if you want

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I'm using it ryt now

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Safe, sure. But the DPS isn't really there.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:39 AM

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What 1.0 buffs? There was practically nothing for rail 4.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Spamming special on Lucifer Rail is just... Nyeh.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:39 AM

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this make the game less intense for me though

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Whats the context here, any heat? Speedrun? just for fun?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 AM

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You can just add more pacts if it's too easy.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 AM

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I could have sworn they made the beam better.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:40 AM

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yes, it's so easy

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the beam is already great for me

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the point is to make enemies die automatically

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 AM

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But that was the patch before 1.0.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Adamant Rail (L------ Aspect): Bombs no longer block pathing

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:41 AM

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if you avoid being hit, just run around

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Any time limit? Any CP/DC/JS?

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:42 AM

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always on the move is the best way

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Yeah, I was wrong.

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They fixed the attack range the patch before, which helped.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Ah.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:42 AM

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you don't need to block ur enemies

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they die very fast

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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I still don't like it all too much.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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But that just made it worse rail 1 with similar range instead of worse rail 1 with shorter range. 👀

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Any time limit? Any CP/DC/JS?
@warm snow

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:43 AM

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I also tried Dionysus special with || Lucifer||

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@empty veldt This game is great. I just forget about time limit.

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Are you running Tight Deadline?

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:44 AM

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BTW, my best record is ||Arthur||

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once

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:44 AM

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No no, not time record

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Tight Deadlight, the pact of punishment pact that adds time limit to each region

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Tight Deadline once

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don't open any troves

pseudo ledge Oct 3, 2020, 9:45 AM

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0 death defiance last boss, glhf

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Tight Deadline 1 is practically a benefit, once you're used to the game.

pseudo ledge Oct 3, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Stubborn Roots carry me home

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:45 AM

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CP - Calisthenics Program - adds health
DC - Damage Control - adds health bar
JS - Jury Summons - add more enemies

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Benefits Package

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:46 AM

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these are easy IMO

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:46 AM

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@pseudo ledge that's doable. Good luck!

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:46 AM

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my enemies die too fast

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I beat ||Thanatos|| by more than 15 kills also

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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I believe in you MZ.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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But did you beat him without Than getting any kills at all? squirtdevious

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Don't bully poor Than.

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Always leave 1 for than

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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No.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Than had like, 5 or 6

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Mine is about 20+

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Running athena on lucifer special sounds fun

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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you need to pratice it

pseudo ledge Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Did it 🙂

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Nice job MZ!

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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It's pretty difficult now to not let him get any kills because he'll often just attack and kill something offscreen that you don't even know is there lol. His attack is a lot faster. So he tends to get at least 1 or 2 kills. squirtooh

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 9:48 AM

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than needs to earn his kills

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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keep moving to avoid being hit, don't care about deflect too much

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Gone are the days when I could something-0 him every time. squirtooh

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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That one was mine.

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I love it when you make the 'Ba dong' sound when Than arrives.

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Toll the Dead

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:49 AM

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If only he put in as much effort when you summon him.

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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deflecting is about let your enemies commit suicide

pseudo ledge Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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That build was so weird

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Than Keepsake = god of miss

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I could see this being a potential Than and Zag interaction (totally took this from RvB)
Than: You stole my kill
Zag: Didn't see your name on it bittieSmug

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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try that on Theseus

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he dies fast

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Mm

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Does black shawl increase backstab cast damage too?

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Yes.

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Assuming you have the Duo boon.

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:51 AM

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||fighting over an extra kill, my type of ship||

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Than: "Shotgun!"

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 9:51 AM

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What Duo boon?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Parting Shot.

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:51 AM

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oh what

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Aphro + Athena duo boon. otherwise cast doesnt backstab

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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parting shot*

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Cast only gets backstab with Parting Shot, yeah.

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Ah I see. Same with exposed then?

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I should guess so

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Exposed is just a status curse that increases backstab damage, hence you need to be physically able to do backstab damage in the first palce

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Charon almost beat me

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Ok thanks. Mistakes were made with Hera bow 🙂

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:56 AM

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I really need to fight Charon again for the achievement.

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I so rarely bother.

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Miid biome shops are just so... Wasteful.

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 9:58 AM

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i usually wind up with enough money to decide to go for it

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Between Convenience Fee 2 and the gold interest mirror effect, I'm very hesitant to drop huge amounts in the middle of a biome.

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:02 AM

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oh thats fair

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oh yeah tangentially: did you know demeter threshold kill messes with draining cutter

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:04 AM

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A lot of things mess with draining cutter

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:04 AM

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understandable

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:11 AM

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i have done it

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i stayed up till 3 am to get one win with guan yu

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how are you supposed to build it anyway?

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:13 AM

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uhh

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lemme check what i did

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Heartbreak Flourish, keep throwing at enemies.

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:14 AM

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charm and then heal?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Deadly Flourish, alternatively.

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No, just kill everything with the Special.

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:14 AM

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yeah i figured the special was the secret sauce

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so i used doom

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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I guess you can use Artemis with the spin

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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i just took quick spin/long spin/athena attack/hermes attack speed, apparently

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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thats also a good one

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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coward's gambit

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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The only thing you need for spin is quick spin.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Spin builds practically always use Divine Strike.

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Sometimes Frost Strike.

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:15 AM

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honestly never thought of divine strike. i just get divine dash and forget about athena forever

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good to know though

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:16 AM

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yeah same

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:16 AM

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You will now go and to a divine flourish 4th sword run

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:16 AM

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i don't even use auras

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i just run around like a maniac swinging a greatsword

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:16 AM

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You will never have trouble with ranged enemies

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:17 AM

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yeah i saw the effect it just doesn't gel with my style, i.e. dash all over the place and spam attack

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:17 AM

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So you just use Nemesis

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:18 AM

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4th sword is pretty chill

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:18 AM

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nah i rely on having big swings too so i haven't tested nemesis

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:18 AM

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that guan yu run legit felt soooo hard

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Yeah I don't like 4th spear

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:21 AM

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i'm not as big on spear in general as i used to be

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Hades spear is where it's at for me but I aknowledge it's not for everyone

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 10:21 AM

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i think my fave is still chiron bow

analog sail Oct 3, 2020, 10:23 AM

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I find 4th bow special to be what I use chiron for but with less setup so I just use that

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 10:26 AM

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@shadow shadow are you building Guan Yu for its special?

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What i love about bow, is that they're all great

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:28 AM

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i intented to build it for the spin but the special is really important to so i kind of focused 50 50

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does everyone just spam special?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 10:29 AM

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yup

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unless u get quick spin

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spin not that worth

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:29 AM

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gotcha

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Guan Yu special is actually really good

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:30 AM

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i actually picked 125% more spin damage over quick spin but it didnt help with final boss at all

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but meh whatever i won

ebon tinsel Oct 3, 2020, 10:30 AM

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depends on hammer but yeah special is typically the way to go

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Three ways to build Guan Yu:
Special (ideally with Charged Skewer)
Serrated Point
spin build (Divine Strike or Frost Strike)

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Oh ive tried frost strike with Guan Yu

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quite serviceable

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:32 AM

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yeah frost is great. i still struggled though

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Random seed, I'll typically start out with Heartbreak Flourish and then either keep focusing on Special or shift to Serrated Point if I happen to get that.

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Heartbreak Flourish applies Weak and unlocks Life Affirmation from her pool, both of which greatly help with the low HP.

shadow shadow Oct 3, 2020, 10:35 AM

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pretty good

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Life Affirmation has no pre-reqs btw

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I had it show up in a run just now and I didn't have an Aphrodite t1 base boon

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Ah right. But it ensures she's in your god pool.

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 10:37 AM

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that's the more important part yeah

exotic hazel Oct 3, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Man, Chaos got GUTTED

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I'm not gonna argue that it wasn't overtuned before, but now it just feels a lot weaker than it should imo

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Should also mention I haven't played for a fair bit, so I'm a bit late on that note, but I'm still really bummed out by the changes

ebon tinsel Oct 3, 2020, 10:48 AM

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ehh its still perfectly usable

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got a 32 heat run w it a few days ago going for 44 heat now and then i want to do 50 heat all of which im sure is perfectly doable

rare kayak Oct 3, 2020, 10:53 AM

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as a bonus with frost strike it adds demeter to rng considerations so theres possibility of taking the healing boon if in a tight spot

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althougt that obviously doesnt do anything with LC

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Hey y'all, just wondering should I switch from keyboard to controller?

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:07 AM

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just tried || Lucifer || + Triple Bomb again. It's awesome. Hydra lost 1/3 HP in just 5 seconds!

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I also get Drunken Strike. Dmg ramps up so fast!

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Crush Shot once and 3 hellfire bombs explode at the same time!

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Is it EM hydra?

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Extreme measures

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Hey y'all, just wondering should I switch from keyboard to controller?
@final karma I would

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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no

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Demeter's Aid is handy!

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I don't know anything better than this

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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Is just me or is Rail4 special virtually useless with auto-aim?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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not the best aid but not the worst as well

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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I've found sometimes it can be hard controlling exactly where I want to go with a keyboard

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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I consider the 4th spear to be hard mode.

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its like another heat

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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u need to practice, it's not useless

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Hard to determine if a build's good or not in lower heat, cause everything goes most of the time

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 AM

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But it won’t let me aim at it

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 AM

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so what's the best aid?

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could u share it?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 AM

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@sinful wigeon Build on specials, force spins. Just spam specials its really strong

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Best aid is definitely Poseidon

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:11 AM

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@hollow geyser u need Xbox controller and a lot of praticing

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what are the alternatives? like 2nd, 3rd best?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:12 AM

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worst aid is Artemis

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:12 AM

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ryt

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:12 AM

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I think I might start a new save just using a controller.

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Poseidon, Zeus, Athena

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:13 AM

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I also like them very much

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👍

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:13 AM

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@warm snow I’m on Switch pro controller. Guess it’s same as Xbox one. Thanks

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Demeter Aid's not that good imo @warm snow

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:13 AM

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good! You just need time to pratice

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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sure you chill, but it deals very low damage

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I rarely use Aid so I know little

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I find it depends ont he build

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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400 dmg is low?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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Unless you invest a lot in demeter itself

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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I find demeter good if i'm using 4th sword as it slows them down so much

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:14 AM

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With Common Rarity
lesser call demeter is like 500 damage

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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4th sword needs aura to be effective

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Lesser call poseidon is at least 1000

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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woooow

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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feels effective to me no matter what

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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I should try it!

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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auro takes it from very strong to op

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but its basically easy mode

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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aura protects you

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it's not cheating

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Well, its more of a necessity, in high heats

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Because you're so slow, your exposing yourself to more hits

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enemies hurt more, lasting consequences make every damage you take more punishing

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you need that damage mitigation

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:16 AM

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My tactics is to hit once and run. Never hit twice or 3 times.

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:16 AM

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It is very good

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You can continue your combo with your dash

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with Arthur

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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the aura is so beautiful IMO

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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i try and tiem is so the first hit is while they're approaching or summoning, and the second or third is what hits them

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing
@warm snow

Google Docs

Hades Call Damage

Single-Target Damage

LESSER CALL,Aphrodite,Ares,Artemis,Athena,Demeter,Dionysus,Poseidon,Zeus
Hits,12,1,20,7,2,7
Tics of Damage,12,1,20,40,2,7
Duration Sec,5,1.2,1.5,5,1.5,1.2,1.5
Rarity Bonus Dur %,0.1,0.1
Crit Chance,0.35
God Gauge %,25,25,20,25,25,25,25,25
Base Damage,30,1...

warm snow Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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goood!

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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yeah, it's AESTHETIC

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Like Hades is great where a lot of things are viable, at lower heats anything works

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The more heat you take in, the narrower the viable builds become and more mechanics checks there are

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But every aspect is proven to be able to take on 40+heat

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Which is a good thing

sinful wigeon Oct 3, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Very skill dependent

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Actually, rail4 is good with Demeter dash. Easy to blow it up

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:18 AM

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Well roguelikes in general are heavily weighted on mechanics

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Actually, rail4 is good with Demeter dash. Easy to blow it up
@hollow geyser why do that when you can easily blow it up with athena dash?

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Because I was offered Dem 🙂 first time trying rail4

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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keepsakes lel

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in serious runs i always go at least 2 god keepsakes for first 2 regions

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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I know but I just wanted to see what the game gave me

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I usually do that too

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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fair

hollow geyser Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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But it’s only 8 heat

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And I only have rail4 at lvl1 which is probably rubbish

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:21 AM

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well i barely use the special on lucifer anyway

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relying more on zeus attack

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but then i realised i can just use Eris heh

ebon tinsel Oct 3, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Demeter call is good

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cuz pos locks you out of ur normal attack hence you loose dps

dusk escarp Oct 3, 2020, 11:26 AM

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any rama bow users here? is it good?

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:26 AM

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its really good

dusk escarp Oct 3, 2020, 11:27 AM

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how?

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:27 AM

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one of the better bow aspects imo

fluid trench Oct 3, 2020, 11:28 AM

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...really?

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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i suggest ares attack or aphro attack, with zeus special or athena special

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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lesser call demeter is like 500 damage
She does 200–260 damage depending on rarity. Poseidon's Aid does 500–800.

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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dont get relentless volley or whatever its called, which gives you more arrows on special

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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ok so I got to the first boss on my first run with a controller on a new save, is that about avg?

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:30 AM

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im pretty sure

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have you played it before?

rare kayak Oct 3, 2020, 11:31 AM

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demeter’s is great for watching your back

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it separates groups nicely

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Yeah I played quite a bit on my first save with keyboard

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But i decided to start a new save to ease my way into using a controller.

rare kayak Oct 3, 2020, 11:31 AM

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its still midtier but its useful for that

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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then yea its abt avg to do so @final karma

final karma Oct 3, 2020, 11:33 AM

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I felt bad because I know I should have done better.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 11:33 AM

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How is it mid tier?

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 11:39 AM

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All Bow aspects are good

void fjord Oct 3, 2020, 11:50 AM

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dont fight nyaan on which boons or builds are good or trash, she'll just bully you into submission dusa

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@bronze cypress there are several designs of which the costs are
10 blood
100 nectar
200 keys
5000 gems
10 ambrosia
I feel like i'm missing one so if someone else remembers please say it

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 12:00 PM

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||isn't there's one that costs 10 000 darkness?||

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 12:01 PM

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I thought there was a darkness one but i wasnt sure

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 12:15 PM

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oh yeah

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this lets me see another beautiful skelly sculpture doesn't it

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 12:16 PM

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enjoy the sparkley!

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 12:16 PM

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||Victory, thy name is Skelly||
What wonderful words, such priceless words

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My eyes have teared up

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 12:37 PM

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dont get relentless volley or whatever its called, which gives you more arrows on special
y tho

untold vortex Oct 3, 2020, 12:38 PM

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that hammer is amazing, especially on Chiron

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11 arrows directly into an enemies face, yes please

hushed sun Oct 3, 2020, 12:45 PM

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relentless and concentrated volley

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perfection

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 12:45 PM

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spicy and dreamy

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and deadly flourish

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:53 PM

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For some reason I just can't win with the sword

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For the life of me

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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less aggressive fist

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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which sword, Zagreus?

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:54 PM

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Mostly the crit one I've been using recently

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I got close with the poseiden sword and the crit sword

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But still can't win with them

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Also quick question, do attack boons affect dash strike?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Owl Pendant. Get Divine Strike and Divine Dash. Arrowhead in Asphodel. Get Deadly Flourish. Then get their Duo Boon.

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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yes

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Yes, Attack boons affect Dash-Strike.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Ah ok good

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Attack hammers do not.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I've mostly been trying to get Artemis attack

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Tbh though I think I probably need to be less aggressive? I find it pretty easy to win when whatever build I've amassed is nutty, but if my build is just ok

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 12:56 PM

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your crit sword already has a lot of crit by itself, you can maybe try investing in Aphro Attack for the weak and high attack% so that enemies hit you for less

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I'm just getting melted

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Especially by hades

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:57 PM

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#1 hammer you're looking for is Double Edge.

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Well, Divine Strike will do plenty of damage and be a lot safer than Heartbreak Strike.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Is double edge the double hit from dash strike?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Yes.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Yeah that seemed really good

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I should probably look for divine strike your tight

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Right*

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 12:58 PM

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or just go full cast build and play safe with Dio cast + Poseidon Sword

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:58 PM

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But sometimes I don't really want to go for her stuff because it feels like once you get her boons, especially the dash

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Its like I'm playing a different game lol

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Melee works best with Deflect on Attack or Dash.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Is Dio cast festive fog?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Yep.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Hm, why would you pair festive fog with poseidon sword? It doesn't go into enemies right?

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Or am I wrong?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:00 PM

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You can get by without Deflect, but that's not necessarily easier. No reason not to go for what's effective. squirtnya

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It doesn't lodge, no. But you still get the cast damage bonus.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Oh I didn't even realise there's a cast damage bonus lol

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Must have skimmed over that

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Poseidon Aspect can work with any cast, anyway.

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A lot of casts want Duo Boons, though.

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E.g., Trippy Shot wants Ice Wine, ideally.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Yeah, when I've gone for a cast build, it's mostly become effective after a duo boon

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Like the Ares+Artemis one

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Yeah.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:01 PM

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And festive fog + lightning

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With jolted

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:02 PM

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True Shot is probably the easiest to build because you just keep going for boons from her. No need for any Duo Boon.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Funnily enough I've not taken true shot much

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May try

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Also, for cast builds in general, you'll want to take every Chaos Gate to get +1 ammo or cast damage from them.

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And check every Well for +1 ammo.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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I should probably take some time to reaaallly become super familiar with all boss attack patterns

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Tbh though

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Every time I've had a sword run the real reason I've lost is because I've stolen money from the shopkeeper

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And I literally can't fight him with sword

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At all

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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lol

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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yeah its not an easy fight

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:04 PM

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I lose 3 death defies to him

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Its happened the last 4 times I tried sword I think

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 1:05 PM

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biggest thing is learning his oar swing pattern and radius

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:05 PM

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https://youtu.be/TuE9jZRHhlU

YouTube

Krashercorr

[Hades: Blood Price Beta] Early Game No Hit Charon on FO2

Completed No-Hit, No-Damage Charon fight. Fight taken in Tartarus with minimal upgrades.

Twin Fists, Demeter aspect. Epic Deadly Flourish boon only. No summons to showcase entire fight. Mirror of Night extra dash enabled.

Further discussion can be found here: https://www.red...

▶ Play video

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 1:05 PM

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with FO2 the mad lad

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Maybe you can steal some tactics from that. Malphon, but it's melee.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:05 PM

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capitalism, ho

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:06 PM

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For the most part I am fine through regular mobs, the places im losing death defies is shopkeeper, occasionally the erm, boss that is two people

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Though that's usually due to over aggression lol

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:06 PM

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I think I've only done the fight like 4 times or something. Not worth it at high heat, so I never really bothered learning it. Maybe I should sometime just for fun. thanthink

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:06 PM

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The first couple times I fought him were with chiron and chaos shield

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So I had the impression that the fight was easy

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But then I fought him with sword and he just wrecks me

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 1:08 PM

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yeah learn the oar swing and when to dash during the barrage behind the pillars at first then after those are gone start dashing diagonally to dodge them (at 120 degrees if you think like that)

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:09 PM

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I'll try to keep it in mind

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I guess I'll also try to stop just dash striking Hades like a mad man lol

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Yeah, dash deliberately, not mindlessly.

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You want to always be moving, and always move perpendicular to him.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:13 PM

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try to dash and not attack, you get more invincibility out of the dashes

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:13 PM

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That way, his thrust can never hit you.

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Dash-Strikes have no i-frames at all, in fact.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Really?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Only empty dashes.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:13 PM

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Ok that's starting to make sense

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I thought it still had invul

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Loooool why, every time I pick the sword

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I'm staring at his gold again

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Debating whether or not to take it

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 1:19 PM

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as AH Ryan once famously said

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Learn by doing

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Probably best to avoid it for now and try again once you're more experienced with the weapon.

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Even if you win barely, you'll lose a lot of HP and probably DDs.

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Although . . .

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Lol

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:23 PM

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You could try just staying alive in the fight without attacking him. Would help you practice both the fight as well as generally i-framing attacks and not being too aggressive.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:23 PM

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So at first I was actually doing really well, approaching the fight more patiently worked out

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But then when he started doing the erm, skulls that come from all angles

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The second phase

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Nice. That's progress.

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 1:24 PM

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I got impatient because I wasn't quite sure how to dodge them properly

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So I didn't lose any health until he was around 50-60% health

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But I need to practice how to dodge that second phase

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Where the skulls appear all around the screen and come in in a staggered way

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Heys guys, I don't have access to railgun's 4th, are the others fun to play ?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Yeah.

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I like Eris and Hestia the most.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:27 PM

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idk if i can make eris work

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and Hestia is about reloading right, but come on it's a machine gun

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Nah, Hestia is more like a sniper rifle that one-shots everything.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Oh nice

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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reload, shoot once, reload

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Yup.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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so the magazine is not the same

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:29 PM

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4th isn't actually that different

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Magazine is the same, but you almost never use anything but the 4th shot.

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Hestia still has 12 bullets but you don't want to shoot them all together since your damage output is probably lower than if you reload/shoot

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:30 PM

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so you run high damage like Aphro ?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Yes.

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Exactly.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Pog

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Imagine getting a little less clueless about builds

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:31 PM

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For Eris, just get Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike. Your +75% damage will apply to both your base attack damage and your Chain Lightning or Hangover.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:32 PM

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oh that's nice

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Well, it applies to any source of damage.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:32 PM

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but I don't have that much blood anyway

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:33 PM

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So get a high DPS call: Zeus' Aid, Dionysus' Aid, or Poseidon's Aid.

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Hmm. Hestia wants Lv.5 tbh.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:33 PM

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yeah I guess

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I want to try some 4th too, like the lance

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Eris can probably do well at a low level.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:33 PM

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but lv1 it seems to be suicide

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Lol yeah.

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But it's not impossible. Just very unforgiving.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:34 PM

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sure

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but I'm bad

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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It's a good aspect for practicing not to take unnecessary damage from recklessness.

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I'll try it then

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screw the winstreak

onyx parcel Oct 3, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Lucifer worth investing?

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Do I have i frames on my dash if I hold down the attack while dashing? On Lucifer

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How does Lucifer special work?

glass rapids Oct 3, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Do I have i frames on my dash if I hold down the attack while dashing? On Lucifer
Nope

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Lucifer worth investing?
Over Eris or Hestia probably not

onyx parcel Oct 3, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Oof

glass rapids Oct 3, 2020, 1:46 PM

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The special is bad without triple bomb and the levels only upgrade the special

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the attack is alright with lightning strike and a good call since it charges fast and that's about it

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I prefer Zag to Lucifer

shell breach Oct 3, 2020, 1:53 PM

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@cunning urchin I followed your advice on the Athena and Artemis duo for the sword, definitely the piece I’ve been missing for the sword. Thank you

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Only thing I’m missing I think is the hammer upgrade double edge

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Can’t find an anvil lol

glass rapids Oct 3, 2020, 2:13 PM

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why does scintillating feast requirements say one of trippy shot and high tolerance

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The duo needs trippy shot and so does high tolerance

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 2:15 PM

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good question that is rather strange

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i guess so if you sell one of the other but i dont know how that works scintillating feast works without trippy shot

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does anyone know if nourished soul affects Stubborn roots

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 2:29 PM

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don't think so since it doesn't affect 4th spear's healing

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Probably gonna do some ME runs on fists

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And ye GY is hard to use but pretty rewarding

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Hmm I wonder... what aspect would be best for a poseidon based build

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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maybe poseidon or hera that flood shot/blizzard shot pretty good

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Curse of Drowning?

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Oh yeah I haven’t really experimented with cast duo boons

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They did make dual shot cast a duo boon a while ago

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Finally won with the sword!

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Think I get it a bit more now

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Honestly poseidon seems really strong but only if you get a looot of his boons

elder lava Oct 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Also I didn't steal from the Shopkeeper this time :)

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:43 PM

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The issue is time keeps ticking during Charon boss

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Apart from it just being really hard

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 2:44 PM

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i usually assume most people dont do heat runs when giving advice unless they say they are running certain heats

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I’m chillin at 16-20 heat I’ve been getting sidetracked from going higher

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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i think poseidons biggest flaw is that he just doesnt hold up against bosses to the point he has a boon for bosses to try to remedy that but even then its a little rough if he's your main source of damage

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Poseidon aspect is pretty great vs bosses though

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Is the + damage to bosses multiplicative

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 2:46 PM

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i pretty sure additive

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:46 PM

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That is... really bad then

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It’s urge to kill

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It’s to be expected though

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Crits are like one of the few multiplicative damage ups

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Oh I love that poseidon duo boon that is bronze skin but you can only use it against bosses

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 2:53 PM

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It also increases damage by a little too

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Still terrible lol

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Hey what ever works

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I haven't tried curse of drowning before

empty veldt Oct 3, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Poseidon call is one of not the best tho

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 3:09 PM

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many people would disagree with you tho, some said it was one of the highest DPS?

gloomy kettle Oct 3, 2020, 3:15 PM

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yo is doom good on sword?

robust anchor Oct 3, 2020, 3:16 PM

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which sword

gloomy kettle Oct 3, 2020, 3:16 PM

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basic stygius

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is it better on something like hidden aspecT?

robust anchor Oct 3, 2020, 3:17 PM

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hidden sword is not great with doom but zag sword is good if you get merciful end

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:26 PM

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hello folks

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I started on athena attack with aspect of hades

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now I've been offered epic artemis attack

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this seems like a no

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but I'd just like to double check with the hive mind

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Do you have a screenshot of your build so far?

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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no screenshots here apparently

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Per se, your DPS will go up if you make the switch. But there are other factors.

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Yeah, we typically upload them to imgur.com and link them.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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the rest is massive spin, epic aphrodite special, rare dio dash

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(also side hustle but that's not relevant)

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up until this point I've just been one-shotting rooms with big spin

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I need boss damage though

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Hmm. Did you force a 4th god when you already had 4? thanthink

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:32 PM

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oh, I was forced to take artemis

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and I was forced into dio

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I added aphro on my own

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 3:33 PM

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well I just beat my best clear time by almost a minute with ME demeter

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Forcing a 5th god with a keepsake tends to throw off build synergy.

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What else is she offering?

solid cairn Oct 3, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I wasn't even on the recommended heat

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:37 PM

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call and pressure points

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I have lots of rerolls

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I sold epic arty call earlier

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so technically I have 0 arty boons right now

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Hmm. Well, I'd probably go with Pressure Points, but exchange is fine, too. Depends on your confidence.

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If I'm on low Heat, I'd just take the exchange because all that really matters to me is damage.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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daaaaaaaamage.

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Gotta go fast.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I've been struggling with the hades fight

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I'm mashing a lot of buttons and losing

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:45 PM

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That sounds like there is causal relation.

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The mashing might be the reason for the losing.

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 3:46 PM

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just dash when enemies are about to hit you dusa

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:46 PM

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If you're reckless, you can't empty dash when you need to.

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Exactly.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I rolled and got nothing lol

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guess I'm taking call

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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What else does she offer now?

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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well, pressure points and cast

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cast is stinky

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:48 PM

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True Shot is great.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:49 PM

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having cast be a fire and forget is a plus I suppose

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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I think it's good practice to just focus on avoiding damage in the fight + destroying skulls in phase 1. Just try to stay alive for a minute or two without getting hit, then start adding some hits here and there when you think it's safe. You'll have a much better understanding of how to deal with him that way.

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Better to take it slow than to panic.

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 3:51 PM

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btw, what do you people take when you play some physical damage special build? like guan yu or chiron, let's say you took arty, then what? outside of chaos just giving you special damage or taking some debuffs for privileged status, I feel like there's nothing to get. (As opposed to nonphysical special builds like zeus or dio chaos shield, where you can just add more boons to increase the power.)

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:52 PM

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T2 crit boons, Heart Rend, Deadly Reversal.

dark quail Oct 3, 2020, 3:52 PM

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What's a good way to make a call-oriented build?

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Poms.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:53 PM

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hmm what do I keepsake going into elysium here

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Acorn or Coin Purse.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I already pursed

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Acorn then for the rest of the run.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:54 PM

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probably a mistake in higher heat but I'm titan blood farming

dark quail Oct 3, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Which boons should i be looking out for when i'm doing a call-focused build?

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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zeus

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has all the call matters boons

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Depends on what call you're going for. You can make all of them work.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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obviously you should also be looking for boons that help your call

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Oh wait, call.

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I read cast.

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Call build isn't really a thing tbh.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:56 PM

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you don't build around call per se

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but if you pick up god gauge from hermes here, a a good call there

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:56 PM

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You'll want Smoldering Air. Easiest route is Heartbreak Strike or Flourish + Zeus' Aid.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:56 PM

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smoldering air basically wins runs by itself

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Then just keep going for those two gods until you get Smoldering Air.

dark quail Oct 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Nice, i'll try it out 👍

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I got offered another arty boon

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game plis stop

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it's vs HP

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Quick Favor doesn't matter. It barely does anything. The existence of Smoldering Air makes it almost entirely obsolete, too.

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@red mist go get Deadly Reversal hopefully.

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The boon you want from Lord Hermes for a Call build is Second Wind.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:00 PM

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epic attack, rare cast, support fire

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Together with Smoldering Air, you'll have practically permanent Dodge chance and movement speed bonus.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:01 PM

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just spam charm on hades and win

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Reroll if you can.

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Otherwise, take the cast.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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reroll missed, got cast, hunter's mark, hide breaker. last two suck lol

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3 rerolls left

dark quail Oct 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Arthur is really fun

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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again? this does seem like the important one

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Yes, keep rerolling.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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another miss. epic cast and clean kill is all

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guess it's the cast

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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That's only 2 out 3 options lol.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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hide breaker is not an option

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Cast, yeah.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:08 PM

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pom is special, cast, call, all non-essential

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I don't think this is worth rolling no

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Definitely not.

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Call.

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:09 PM

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lol

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i'm running zag stygius

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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why

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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with the hammer "attack does paltry damage but you can do it in succession"

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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jks lol

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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and epic hermes attack speed

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i just keep the attack button pressed and people die

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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quick, get cursed slash

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maximum meme

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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what's more, it's athena boon

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so i auto deflect anything

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this is ridiculous

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i litterally only have one boon and ||spoiler keepsake||

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:11 PM

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All the more reason to also get Cursed Slash lol.

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:11 PM

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well 2 boons with hermes

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I cant tell which weapon I like the most rn. shield has Carrie's me through the first 2 areas but I've gone the furthest with the spear.

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the gun is fun but definetly feels weak

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:11 PM

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cursed slash is the healing and 40% max hp right

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yeah if i see it i instapick

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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@thorny basin try Lightning Strike on Exagryph.

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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is that the gun? I've tried hangover on the gun and it seems like pretty nuts single target

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Yeah.

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I'll try that

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used blood on the shield for chaos aspect. idk if I'm having buyers remorse or not XP

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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lol everyone hates chaos now i guess

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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i mean, i don't hate it

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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You'll be able to get plenty of Titan Blood, so just try everything that sounds interesting.

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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i just don't love it

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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fair

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:15 PM

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chaos aspect can still be great imo, it's just not as all around great as it used to be

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:15 PM

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one thing o definetly dont like is the seeking bullet hammer upgrade for the gun

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:15 PM

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chaos is still pretty great imo

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not sure if i’m in a minority saying that these days tho lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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seeking fire is okay, but not my favorite

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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uhhh

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guys

pallid sand Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I've really been liking the aspect of redacted (spear) for pushing heat - what all ya'll using to push?

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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ironic it misses more the closer you are

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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there is a room full of armored mini chariots

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I GOT CURSED SLASH LMAO

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GG

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I have paused the game. what is the plan.

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:16 PM

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kite into walls, like normal

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I've really been liking the aspect of redacted (spear) for pushing heat - what all ya'll using to push?
well, let me tell you about the chaos shield

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@red mist just dash back and forth over a large or through some obstacle.

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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i can’t believe i have to say this, but it’s actually good

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Although.

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With Divine Strike, you could probably kill them in relative safety with Dash-Strikes.

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I GOT CURSED SLASH LMAO
@next moss YUS

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:19 PM

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apparently spamming special out of aggro range works too

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Oh right. Spear.

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Yeah that works lol.

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:20 PM

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oh I got heart rend

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not that it's doing a lot here

cunning urchin Oct 3, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@pallid sand I've done 52 with Shield 4, 45 with Talos, 43 with Chiron, 41 with Hestia and Zag Aspect Malphon. So . . . I guess those?

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You can easily apply Weak before using Greater Call. Won't hurt lol.

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 4:24 PM

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those... those are some high numbers

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so would you recommend ||beo|| over chaos for higher heats?

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 4:26 PM

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aw shucks

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:26 PM

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pretty hot

onyx parcel Oct 3, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Family favorite might be better than priv status

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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what's better on chiron bow, relentless volley or piercing volley?

hearty elbow Oct 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Relentless

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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the one that adds more arrows

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 4:31 PM

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ok thx

hearty elbow Oct 3, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Math-wise, Concentrated should eek out Relentless by a good margin, though it's not nearly as reliable, as arrows can kinda miss depending on terrain or position

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:32 PM

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that's why you get both 😛

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:38 PM

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well I got rekt by hades. I still can't play this fight as a melee

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ergh

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:39 PM

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does hunters mark work on single targets?

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 4:40 PM

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nope, you need at least two foes on-screen to make hunter's mark work

turbid needle Oct 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Hey guys! I've heard it's much easier to beat the final boss when you actually go with some kind of plan before starting a run. Are there some guides/builds I should try out? or tips of what should I consider when making a 'build'?

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Currently I was very close to beating the final boss 3 times, but it seems I was missing this small bit of damage I could get if I would make a 'better' build

robust anchor Oct 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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i watch youtube

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 4:46 PM

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@unkempt pagoda other options are crits do more damage to armor and my special can crit, use gun rn

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with crit basics

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nvm i died the next room Xp

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:50 PM

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am I missing out by not playing a hell mode file

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 4:50 PM

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no, it's not recommended to play Hell mode because you can add the difficulty in yourself later

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Hell mode just locks you in at a Higher difficulty that you can't change later on

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:52 PM

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apparently there's an extra condition in hell mode or did they take that out?

limber pine Oct 3, 2020, 4:52 PM

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yeah there's an extra option but you won't miss it

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 4:52 PM

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alrighty then

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so as I understand it, the aspect of talos is nuts because the special is just every kind of efficient?

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 4:58 PM

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You can go to lower levels of heat now

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Talos makes it so your special pulls enemies towards you

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Yes I see that

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Controlling enemies is very good

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:01 PM

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nope, you need at least two foes on-screen to make hunter's mark work
@unkempt pagoda i know that gotten marks on hydra during solo phase

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@turbid needle I'd check Haelian on youtube/twitch. He recently made guides for mirror, sword and spear on youtube, and you can watch his runs and see what works. Personally I find Chaos shield the easiest to play (zeus or dio special builds), cast builds on e.g. hera bow are also pretty simple if you go for something like dionysus cast.

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Hydra sometimes summons adds

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Thats why i said during solo phase he was all alone

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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He summons adds in solo phase too

onyx parcel Oct 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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He sometimes summon skulls

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That turn into enemies

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During his solo phase

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Im telling you he was alone

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Also the mark might be leftover from the shielded phase

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Unless i hit the skull out of the air

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But i wouldnt have been able to see that in time so cant remember

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But it was during the first phase so no it wasnt carry over

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:05 PM

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So probably one hit a egg or something

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Can you hit those out of the air without deflect

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:07 PM

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It’s an enemy rather than a projectile

drifting vale Oct 3, 2020, 5:07 PM

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That doesnt really mean anything

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I don't think you can because he throws them quite high

red mist Oct 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Is it just me or is lernie the easiest boss

lapis matrix Oct 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Depends

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:12 PM

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yes he is

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most of the time

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he’s super fun tho so i don’t mind

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:21 PM

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What weapon would be good for a Poseidon build ? I tried the gun and the final boss tore me to shreds

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But it was a fun build

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:23 PM

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a poseidon dash build with 4th fists is fun

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i haven’t personally seen it work outside of lower heats tho

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:25 PM

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im trying to push it

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still works for 15 heat currently

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not sure how high it can go

wide plover Oct 3, 2020, 5:25 PM

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poseidon+demeter cast build I guess, so poseidon or achilles aspect

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:25 PM

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poseidon has some really good builds

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dash spam, flood shot spam, blizzard shot, all are miles better with zeus duo too

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Oh I see

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:27 PM

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poseidon special with 4th bow special spam is also good, or water rocket spam

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Does 15 heat implies extreme mesures maxed ?

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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nah

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Ah

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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im delaying em4 for as long as i could

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Haha

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:28 PM

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though tbh, im quickling changing my mind

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some minibosses heat are pure evil

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drain so much life on the way so ill probably drop them for EM4

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:29 PM

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the beauty of the pact is that you can delay any particular condition you want until you absolutely have to

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see me trying not to hit FO2 by taking AP1 instead 😛

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:30 PM

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yea i hate FO

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still not used to the rhythm yet

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btw, is anyone good with cold embrace

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or have tried

static jacinth Oct 3, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Hera Bow makes it work pretty well.

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:32 PM

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oh thats a neat idea

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:33 PM

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see me trying not to hit FO2 by taking AP1 instead 😛
@unkempt pagoda are... are you sure this is a good idea?

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sounds terrifying

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:33 PM

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it's fun ron

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:33 PM

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also: re poseidon builds, no ones mentioned curse of drowning yet

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are you sure?

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fr i should actually do some AP runs

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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ron

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i used to be better at switching up the heats constantly so i wouldn’t get too scared of any of them

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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curse of drowning is pretty good ye

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:34 PM

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but LC and AP in particular are now things i pretend don’t exist lol

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Drowning ?

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:35 PM

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goes well with revenge/dash build

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:35 PM

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ares/pos duo, you need flood shot for it

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:35 PM

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but ive only managed to finish that build once, cuz the requirements are hard to get in one run

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not worth gunning for imo, if it happens then it happens

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:35 PM

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does it really go well with tidal dash?

proven osprey Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Flood shot, ok I'll try to remember

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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any dash build

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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wouldn’t the dash just push enemies out of your AoE?

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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flood shot and any other ares core boon

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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or athena call

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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make sure you're playing melee, or at least close to enemies

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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as long as you have a mean to stay in melee for extended time

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yea

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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hey lads

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quick questions regarding than keepsake

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is it additive like all buffs

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cause it's underwhelming if it is 😦

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also can u keep the buff if u change keepsakes, im pretty sure not but i can be wrong

deep dome Oct 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I'm 95% sure if you change keepsakes you lose the stacks of whatever the old one was.

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If I'm wrong, I'll be thrilled.

turbid needle Oct 3, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Hey so

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are there any good ways to farm bloods?

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or do I just have to live with going through each tier until I get enough to max out everything?

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Grinding Heat is the most consistent way to get Titan Blood.

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2 per run per level of Heat, times 6 weapons gives you 240 Blood from maxing out bounties.

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 6:07 PM

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so 20 heat basically

unkempt zephyr Oct 3, 2020, 6:14 PM

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and you can buy 1 blood from last zone. and time to time buy blood at home. for 15 keys or 10 nectars

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But near 120 blood come from table. prophesy.

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I'm 95% sure if you change keepsakes you lose the stacks of whatever the old one was.
@deep dome this is correct

pallid sand Oct 3, 2020, 6:22 PM

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If you get 22% from hermes keepsake stacks and 10% from hermes boon - is it 32% or 24.2% dodge total

unkempt zephyr Oct 3, 2020, 6:30 PM

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but game have alote more dodje

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50% only from reflex

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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for the gun, i know the secret aspect + zeus is nuts, but is the base aspect good or are one of the other 2 better?

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Other two are generally better than base

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Getting extra ammo isn't that big of a deal unless you have a lot of extra attack speed

unkempt zephyr Oct 3, 2020, 6:33 PM

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take eris. its alote more easy to use. and more flexible bacaus 75% add to any sorts of damage.

next moss Oct 3, 2020, 6:33 PM

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base gun is all about that hammer which gives you -6 bullets

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:34 PM

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what does it mean absorb special? do you just stand in the blast?

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 6:34 PM

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yea

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special > dash into it > profit

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:34 PM

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ok

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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can spam it whenever possible, even when theres nobody around

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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i got a hammer as the first one

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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eris is my favorite rail aspect rn

unkempt zephyr Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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or just trow one under your legs second in enemy. and do this rotation. or shoot special in position were you go.

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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spread seeking or piercing

void zenith Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Does Eris boost your base damage, or all damage?

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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all damage

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anything that can deal damage

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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yeah so you wanna get all the ways to deal damage

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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hangover, lightning, blade rifts, crystal beam

smoky atlas Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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eris and achiles best cast weapons

unkempt pagoda Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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all of it

thorny basin Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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which hammer should i grab?

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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make sure to grab hazard bomb

unkempt zephyr Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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its mean eris one of best users of dionis on attack. and doom on special.

half crater Oct 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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note: do not actually grab hazard bomb