Although I don't usually take it anymore because of long cooldown, I fell in love with beowolf aspect when I just dragon rushed into a horde of enemies during a survival event and just deleted the whole room
#h1-builds-and-combat
worn citrus
(Using dionysus cast, yeah)
Demeter is the combo one, yeah
12 hits = 5 specials for the price of one
uneven gale
Aspect of hades with quick charge and bigger spin attack tho
If you want to delete the whole room
worn citrus
That's the good stuff
Although if I get both of those I would rather be using Guan Yu
Since those are basically the hammer's I'm on the lookout for when using the aspect. Makes you very hard to kill
uneven gale
I got that before obtaining guan yu
worn citrus
Well it's very strong on Hades too, of course
uneven gale
Indeed.
worn citrus
But since the spin attack heals you on Guan Yu I had a looot of effective health
uneven gale
Speaking of which I think Lucifer is probably the best hidden aspect
hearty elbow
Eww no
worn citrus
Expresses opinion
uneven gale
It's the easiest to use, and doesnt change how it plays terribly much
hearty elbow
Lucifer isn't even the best Lucifer lol. Eris does everything it does better.
worn citrus
Can't shoot down incoming projectiles tho
uneven gale
That's true but I just dodge
turbid needle
Am I wrong for believing in the gun? I think it has potential but my friends tell me not to bother spending blood on it
It’s so fun
hearty elbow
Eris and Hestia are both insanely good
uneven gale
As a bullethell player dodging is easier for me
hearty elbow
The other two are way more niche but still fine
uneven gale
When it comes to projectiles
Also laser gun cool lol
Also I should mention I'm playing on switch so controller
I really like aspect of Rama in concept but I have such a hard time using it well
hearty elbow
It's a pretty easy mistake to make to try to play it like the other Bows
You play a lot closer with a lot less (but not zero) power shots.
robust anchor
its quite chunky
hearty elbow
And you spend time in the beginning to spread Special around
uneven gale
I always mess up the power shot timing really
robust anchor
power shot on rama too dangerous to get reliably
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's something to get used to. Fortunately you don't really have to use it. There are situations where it's optimal but it's not like strictly necesary.
Very different from say Zag bow
uneven gale
Yep
My favorite build was probably zag bow with Zeus's stuff
Lemme see if I can find the win image
robust anchor
zag is my favorite bow
uneven gale
Oh I actually have a video
Elly Itari (@EllyItari) Tweeted:
#NintendoSwitch https://t.co/FmFNhDjwbe https://twitter.com/EllyItari/status/1311743294297104389?s=20
He got shredded
hearty elbow
What do you use to record on switch?
uneven gale
You can press and hold the screenshot button to record the last 30 seconds of gameplay
hearty elbow
Interesting.
Not particularly useful for runs, but I assume I need something external for that
tidal edge
yeah unfortunately
hearty elbow
Can you not pom Dire Misfortune?
limber pine
I thought you could but apparently not according to wiki
Tier 2 This boon cannot be upgraded via poms.
main osprey
@mild furnace (from #hades-feedback ) There is a way to see how many fish you caught, though it doesn't break down by type
mild furnace
oh I didn't know. where is it?
gusty birch
Might not be the best build or anything but Doom + Pressure Point sure is silly
limber pine
@mild furnace it's an unlockable for lounge at house contractor, I think it was a ||fish tank||
mild furnace
ah thanks! @limber pine
next moss
it's not unlocked immediatly in the house contractor
worn citrus
Is there some strategy to rerolling rooms to get the gods you want?
Like when is a room worth rerolling? Sometimes I feel like I waste like 3 rerolls before getting something I'm like "meh, that's fine" with.
limber pine
do you know about gold/blue laurel rooms?
steel egret
@worn citrus from my experience rerolling ONLY golden laurel rooms is sensible, otherwise you're going to probably waste your dice
worn citrus
I have no idea what that means tbh
I'm guessing it's the color of the adornment around the icon
steel egret
yes
worn citrus
Of the next room
steel egret
sorry if that looked too intricate
worn citrus
no worries
So if I understand correctly blue rooms only map to blue rooms upon reroll and same with gold?
Basically, you can't get a boon from a darkness room
limber pine
dawn solar
hi, have gotten to the final boss twice with zeus shield but am stalling out. what boons and hammers should I be going for?
crude vessel
just had exagryph special run where i critted for like 3k
worn citrus
Saved, thanks
crude vessel
24 mins full clear, could have done under 20 easily
limber pine
have you tried charged shot? it should keep you safe while you spam it
dawn solar
@limber pine I did get that pretty late into my second run, felt good but it was my first time using it. I'll try building around it from the jump next time
hearty elbow
Unpopular opinion: Chaos is really fun now. Aiming is dope
limber pine
you can try going for Merciful End with Zeus Shield, Athena Attack, Ares Special.
dawn solar
oh interesting, I had merciful end, but the other way around.
mighty ermine
2 is the maximum normally; while the anvil in styx can effectively give you 3 at once (at the obvious cost of randomly losing one you already have and randomly gaining another)
worn citrus
Do infernal chambers count as a chamber for the sake of progress?
mighty ermine
yes, as long as it's not before a pre-boss shop chamber
worn citrus
I mean if there's another reward I'd like just as much from a normal room, is there any reason not to ignore the infernal chamber?
Or is it just like, another option unlocked at high enough heat
mighty ermine
erebus rewards are typically doubled/better value, but yeah ignoring them is valid a lot of the time depending on what it is and what your other options are
worn citrus
Alright, thanks
Also, if I use a boon keepsake like thunder signet ring and ignore the room when it pops up in favour of another one, that still "uses up" the keepsake, right?
mighty ermine
nope, you keep the guaranteed appearance charge as long as you don't pick a chamber with their boon as the reward
so if you have the thunder signet and your choices are zeus or artemis, you could take the artemis room and have it so you're still guaranteed to have zeus appear at the next possible time/chamber junction
worn citrus
Oh! That's great!
hasty garnet
Hera aspect Festive Fog, my old friend.
Festive Fog Hera Aspect, also your attack inflicts Doom
Please stop, I cna only get so excited.
fiery ginkgo
Yah Festive Fog is the best Hera thing
raven magnet
Is it just me or is the gauntlet weapon absolutely broken? You take hermes dodge keepsake, build it up. Take the dodge chance hermes boon and the boon that lets you regain some health after dashing. Then SPAM atk and dash and nothing can ever damage you
you should try it it's hilarious
but maybe the developers should know that this is kind of unbeatable
i am on a 5 win streak with it
I also saw that the hermes boon is already nerfed compared to early access
But maybe not enough
If you play well you can still get to ~30% dodge chance +10% with boon and +15% with gauntlet passive
half of the attacks wont even hit
sharp anvil
Can rare crop hit a boon that is alrady common?
And how many boons does it hit, is it random?
charred nacelle
I desperately want to see all the attacks mods on the attacks
To just see what happens
Also , do you think supergiant should open this game up to workshop potential?
If not, why?
proven osprey
First time trying extreme measure at max, the last fight was amazing
errant narwhal
the amount of boons rare crop hits is based on its rarity
sharp anvil
Their game is entirely 2d so making content for it would be very difficult as they have to draw every single frame for every single attack
Just the bow attack has 100 frames
@errant narwhal Thanks
charred nacelle
Yes, but there's some content creators definitely up to the task.
Take binding of Isaac for example, someone made the godmode mod and the creator bought the mod from him and implemented it into the game as an update
novel pulsar
what is best twin fists aspect?
limber pine
all of them have their uses
jolly osprey
Is it possible for Lucifer rail to get the reflect to one enemy hammer?
worn citrus
What's a good weapon/build to use with poseidon boons? I find myself not using Poseidon a lot since I almost always find some other god more fitting for whatever weapon I roll with
sharp anvil
@novel pulsar I like Zagreus with plume, gives you a ton of dodge
turbid needle
Talos Special can be pretty hilarious with Poseidon imo.
turbid needle
Ye
umbral dock
Begining to think God's Pride >> God's legacy
worn citrus
lol
turbid needle
Is funny
proper lagoon
i had the most amazing rail build going on heat 10 and then died for a silly reason
worn citrus
But how practical is it? I guess it would ve easier to set up slamming enemies into walls
proper lagoon
aspect of lucifer + infinite attack + pierce attack + doom stacking + artemis arrows on every attack + crit%
it attacks so fast that the arrows pew pew pew like nuts
feels like a SHMUP game
doom was ticking for like 500-600 and the arrows were just melting fools
turbid needle
Uhhhhhh. Idk Jir. It's great on certain enemies but kinda bleh on others. There's always the Hera bow
Don't gotta worry about dislodging the casts Cause they just kinda die
worn citrus
Only time I got poseidon and really felt powerful was when I got the duo boon with Zeus
Then again, most duo boons are really strong on their own
unkempt pagoda
most 
broken berry
Does Demeter's Cast have any synergy with Bad News since the Cast itself doesn't lodge the Bloodstone?
unkempt pagoda
yes
dem cast (and for that matter, ares and dio cast) benefit from the +50% since they don't lodge
broken berry
Oooooo perfect thanks for your help!
unkempt pagoda
👍
worn citrus
Yeah, I have no love for the demeter aphrodite one, really
Mostly not a fan of Demeter's cast
Also Zeus and Aphrodite
winter dirge
Ares/Athena has been my favorite with the shield so far
worn citrus
I pretty much only use greater calls
unkempt pagoda
i find dem cast to be pretty polarizing lol
worn citrus
Ares/Athena one is lit
unkempt pagoda
people either love it or hate it, nobody says it’s, like, mediocre
worn citrus
I find I need the Demeter / Artemis duo for it to be of any use
broken berry
Demeter's Cast reminds me of the Engineer turrets from RoR2
unkempt pagoda
i find non-hunting blades slicing shot to be mediocre at best
worn citrus
Like if I face any enemy where I need the sustained damage they have the mobility to get out of the laser and the normal tracking can't keep up
broken berry
The beams aren't bad by themselves as long as you move around them, defence network style
I can see how it wouldn't feel super good to zone yourself like that though
sharp anvil
When does Chiron start struggling with heat? I'm at 18 right now and I've been breezing through every run
worn citrus
I'm going to try getting used to Chiron since I'm not very good with bow in general. Do you have a build you usually go for? Chiron can do many quick hits so maybe Zeus or Dio?
prime helm
When achieving a legendary, does the chance of it appearing increase when getting more prerequisite boons than needed?
sharp anvil
I start with Aphrodite or Demeter to put on the special, then put either Aphrodite or Demeter on the attack depending on which special I chose. Then I go for Athena dash or call, call is preferred. After that you can go for anything really... I try to limit the amounts of level up boons I have so I can focus all my level ups into the special and athena's call
Athena's call makes Hades a braindead fight
Aphrodite on the special opens you up for perma charming people since every special hit can proc charm. Demeter on special opens you up for the 10 chill stack explosion since you can go up to 11 arrows per special, which procs it on every special
hasty garnet
Welp, my Festive Fog run lost after I wasted all of my DDs on Charon. Worth it
sharp anvil
You want to go for multiple aphrodite boons for the damage vs weak, or the reduced damage from nearby foes
hasty garnet
Got Aspect fo Zeus shield with Zeus' own lightning on the special. Really liking this aspect now
sharp anvil
@worn citrus I've never really gone with on hit effects, they just don't seem good with Chiron
Demeter/Aphrodite with Athena will give you insane amounts of defense
turbid needle
I'm not getting casts
If they're not going to do more DPS or more damage to your overall build, then why have a cost?
worn citrus
Yeah, I'll go demeter and inevitably not find arctic blast anywhere
sharp anvil
I never use casts lol
worn citrus
'tis my life
turbid needle
I never use them either
sharp anvil
Jirwe it's really not required
turbid needle
Because I find them to be borderline useless
worn citrus
Well, you should probably try to lodge one cast into a boss for 50% extra damage
worn citrus
Other than that, same unless I go with a cast build
sharp anvil
I don't pick up cast boons either because they take up a level up slot
worn citrus
Which I do sometimes for variation
sharp anvil
And I'd rather guarantee levels into special or athena's call
final karma
phew... I absolutely abhore these shield dudes
hasty garnet
For the shield's Empowering Flight upgrade, does it apply only on the first Aspect of Zeus hit or everytime Zeus aspect hits? or not at all?
turbid needle
@sharp anvil I take them because they're prerequisites into later legendary things
or duo boons
depends on which ones though and what builds I get
worn citrus
So you get either aphrodite or demeter at start and then double down by choosing the same one for attack?
final karma
I'd literally rather fight 1000 flame wheels at once than fight these shield dudes
sharp anvil
I never go for legendaries or duo boons
And I'm at heat 18
I got a very simple, very forceable build that works great
worn citrus
I'd literally rather fight 1000 flame wheels at once than fight these shield dudes
Especially if you have shield yourself. Just stand in a corner and block and the flame wheels kill themselves.
final karma
what, no
sharp anvil
Honestly right now I find Chiron heat 18 easier than 0 heat on other weapons... lol
final karma
I was talking about fighting with the stygian blade
worn citrus
Shield good
hasty garnet
Well gonna take Empowering Flight anyways and see what happens
sharp anvil
I need to find out what's good on other weapons and what build to force
worn citrus
Well, I'm inclined to agree with you then. Usually same for fists because little range
sharp anvil
You can Athena dash into the small ones with the right timing and they'll kill themselves
It's tight though
worn citrus
Can just dash through an obstacle instead
Probably easier and less timing dependent
If you can reach one before a flame wheel reaches you
turbid needle
btw
you guys have any preferred aspects?
I'm using Zagreus across the board right now
worn citrus
Zeus aspect of shield
worn citrus
Demeter of fists
turbid needle
yeah
worn citrus
Poseidon for casts builds so far, but that's mostly for variation. I find cast builds trickier to get off the ground.
Hades for spear
sharp anvil
Chiron is my all time favourite
worn citrus
Oh and also Chiron
unkempt zephyr
when is the "epilogue" unlocked?
@turbid needle when you push story forward
turbid needle
I...beat the main story
hazy slate
just keep listening to dialogue
worn citrus
If you really want spoilers I believe they can be found in #h1-story-discussion
There's a guide pinned there.
I don't remember the requirements off the top of my head though
unkempt zephyr
I...beat the main story
@turbid needle Google what mean epilogue. just push story forward more.
hasty garnet
Keep talking to people, make sure you have plenty of nectar on hand if you catch my drift
random light
you guys have any preferred aspects?
@turbid needle Demeter Fists, Rama Bow, Nemesis and Poseidon Sword. I definitely use Demeter Fists the most.
proper lagoon
aspect of lucifer triple special bomb is pretty good
hasty garnet
I usually used Zag aspect fists, but the Demeter was pretty great with the specific build I had(Doom on attack, extra Doom damage on stacking, Doom with more damage on a longer timer, Artemis crit boosted Special). It was pretty amazing.
Legitimately one of my most fun runs
twilit pond
Anything you have differently? If so, why?
https://i.imgur.com/oT1nxfx.png
worn citrus
Usually have the alrernative to family favourite
I rarely go for more than 3 different gods and usually have enough debuffs to get the 40% damage bonus
limber pine
Dark Foresight is better if you aren't farming Darkness/materials
proper lagoon
why is fated persuasion more expensive than fated authority?
limber pine
authority costs more overall
worn citrus
Also fated authority, since I find I usually reroll rooms more to get the gods I want than I reroll boons even with the option. Ties into not having more than 3 gods, I gurss.
twilit pond
You only need to find that one god once to guarantee you get what you need. That's why fated persuasion is a lot more useful than from random -> random.
Athena? Great let me get that sweet, sweet dash almost a 100%.
toxic terrace
Yeah I tried doing a run with all the mirror abilities I hadn't cleared with, I felt so hamstrung by Fated Authority
worn citrus
Unless you, you know, need like 3-4 boons from the same god
proper lagoon
if i want to go for a specific duo build lets say, is it better to do fated authority or persuasion
limber pine
persuasion
twilit pond
A lot are interchangable. So getting that one particular from Hermes or Athena is key to consistency.
You can reroll to legendary even
stuck bough
recommended builds for lucifer aspect?
proper lagoon
zeus attack is a lot of fun because it attacks so fast
but special builds are good too
stuck bough
Aight thanks
unkempt pagoda
support fire
proper lagoon
i actually just uploaded an aspect of lucifer video
i'll post it to #self-promotion
not sure if its good but i melted hades at the end on heat10
umbral dock
God's Pride >> God's legacy ?
i rerolled to legacy and tbh the dual prophecies aren't amazing and it hurts not getting epic on my main attack skils as much
what do other people run?
limber pine
duo boons are amazing but it appears quite frequently without the 10% from legacy
umbral dock
I just feel that a higher chance on an epic main skill boon beats a lower chance on a dual boon
limber pine
you can just reroll with persuasion anyway
umbral dock
what do you run?
limber pine
everything purple, reroll boons, better gold rewards
heady relic
Does the bonuses of something like Aspect of Achielles stack with all damage? Like using Crystal Beam, does it empower the entire beam??
robust anchor
yep
heady relic
Thanks, I couldn't tell if it was just the first hit or not. I really wish Skelly was in those recoop areas after each stage haha
fickle summit
What boons work best with Coronacht, Aspect of Zagreus, and Flurry Shot?
idle karma
if I have all my casts loaded into a weapon, does that count as having no casts for Demeter's boon that gives bonuses when you have no casts?
twilit pond
Support Fire
sharp anvil
I'm playing with that -1 boon choice... with a Chiron bow. It has blocked special damage from 3 boons in a row now
FML
4 times...
jagged perch
best/most fun hidden aspect to unlock after arthur?
main osprey
@half tapir (from #hades-feedback ) Many walls do turn transparent/highlight the cast crystals--if they don't, I'd report that with 
half tapir
oh good to know, I'll edit my post for clarity
foggy wagon
@jagged perch Beo is fun
Not necessarily super competitive but fun
Have heard good things about Rama and Luci
umbral dock
my game just crashed on the highest heat i have evr done... was on act 3 boss with them having 10% hp left, and i had all my revives + epic boons on most of my preferred options...
sharp anvil
Does the -1 boon choice weigh towards what you're building? It has blocked +special damage 5 times in a row for me. It also blocked +20% special speed
Or is it just very weird rng ?
6 times in a row now 
foggy wagon
@umbral dock you know the game saves every room right?
You can still go back and reattempt the boss fight
@sharp anvil very very bad luck lol
sharp anvil
Yeah that was kinda insane. It ended up letting me have a common poseidon special right before the 3rd boss
umbral dock
@foggy wagon i reloaded hades and i was back at base
of 3 crashes i have had, 2 went back to base and 1 put me back on the room
sharp anvil
That's RNG for you. It can be real mean or real nice sometimes
foggy wagon
Weird
snow furnace
if I have all my casts loaded into a weapon, does that count as having no casts for Demeter's boon that gives bonuses when you have no casts?
@idle karma yes it counts for ravenous will. So it has great synergy with hera/beowulf which is
jagged perch
for beowulf i need to find a choas gate, correct?
idle karma
noice
turbid needle
Is World Splitter available on Excalibur?
snow furnace
nope don't think so
turbid needle
Thanks.
snow furnace
np
unkempt pagoda
hammers that fundamentally change moves like that aren't on hidden aspects btw
fickle summit
I have the scariest run rn, 13:03 entering Styx, still no flurry shot in sight. Really want that sub 20.
turbid needle
Is there a consistent way to unlock the 4th aspects?
final karma
sometimes this game is really annoying with legendaries and crap
lone lava
Method is pinned in #h1-story-discussion
Just get the requirements and then keep doing runs and talking
sharp anvil
Does fated persuasion work on hammers?
dry ember
no
you can persuade a god, you can't persuade a hammer
or maybe you can, you might need to roll a nat 20 persuasion though
turbid needle
Tyty
final karma
for example, I've gotten 6 artemis rooms, and 3 poseidon rooms. And it decides to offer me the useless fishing boon.
dry ember
sharp anvil
Chiron feels insanely good to me
19 heat and still breezing through
But it's useless without titan blood invested in it
unkempt pagoda
tidal dash gilgamesh of course 
dry ember
Weapon Ranking:
5. You
4. Can't
3. Rank
2. Weapons
- Zag Bow
sharp anvil
LOL
final karma
The gods of rng constantly laugh in my face, so I have literally no way of knowing whats good.
unkempt pagoda
now that i agree with
fickle summit
Lost all death defiances in one room because saws
Never turning on trap heat again
final karma
Yeah, lets just add in a legendary boon that gives a few more fish, great plan.
drifting vale
Must grab every run
frozen dock
trap heat only gives 1 heat anyway so
drifting vale
Man i got that legendary in tartus still didnt get another fish
timber summit
Oh oops
drifting vale
Worst fish% run ever
frozen dock
only use trap heat for unlocking 4th aspects
fickle summit
Yeah I learned my lesson when I took over 800 damage from one room
timber summit
I usually use Zeus Agias, it’s really strong.
frozen dock
ouch
fickle summit
And of course now I get static discharge, but still no flurry shor
snow furnace
fish legendary actually so broken it carries me all the time
in fact, it carried my EM4 run without even getting it
drifting vale
Fish legendary is a lie
snow furnace
fish legendary is a lifestyle
drifting vale
Agree but it still denies me the good good
timber summit
Fish Legendary is as much of a myth as Zeus and Hades
fickle summit
So I just have to deathless Hades with no flurry shot and 148 hp this will go great
If only I had fish...
drifting vale
The only codex entry im missing is the third chaos fish
drifting vale
Are you happy with yourself
timber summit
Very
drifting vale
Glad to hear it
crude salmon
So I just have to deathless Hades with no flurry shot and 148 hp this will go great
If only I had fish...
Don’t need flurry shot if you just run Stygian
fickle summit
Died at 17:29.89, Hades 2
frozen dock
ah its so sad i cant just farm blood through fishing
fickle summit
gaaaaaaame whhhhyyy
fair plinth
woooo beat ||charon|| for the first time, left with 6 hp right into another bossfight :))
guess I'll have to bank on patty later on
snow furnace
you can get blood from 1 fish
frozen dock
i know rune but its not like i can farm it 
snow furnace
tru
fair plinth
T_T why doesn't the 9minute timer stop for that fight tho
uncut shard
Eeeeehm is there a case where the final boss has shield always on
fair plinth
took a massive 3 minutes
livid comet
you can farm up blood and diamonds with gold dw
frozen dock
3 mins for him damn
frozen dock
i use hermes keepsake with timer on
snow furnace
you'll be fine
frozen dock
and try to speed run
crude salmon
Did you skip dialogue?
uncut shard
Yeah skip dialogue
crude salmon
Yeah 10th is special
uncut shard
Nothing popped
crude salmon
Well there’s your issue
uncut shard
Its my 11th
snow furnace
huh
crude salmon
is it tenth or eleventh
snow furnace
you need 10 after release of 1.0, not in total
uncut shard
11th
crude salmon
||you don’t fight him on 10||
uncut shard
I said after 10th sorry if i was not clear
snow furnace
yeah but they say something about armor?
I would take a photo and bug
I'm a little confused
uncut shard
Skipped dialogue
And boss has his back on me
Does not even acknowledge me
I feel sad
snow furnace
||bruh||
uncut shard
I just want some love you know
uncut shard
I wanted to test that exa build 😫 😫 😫
Here we go again 😋
I will give up and keep it in mind for the future
Thanks fornthe help
snow furnace
np and sorry about that
solid raptor
Can someone give me a good non cast build for achilles spear?
fair plinth
??? archilles spear isn't about casting anyway?
solid raptor
It does bonus 150% damage on cast
snow furnace
vs hades, which does attack and special
solid raptor
But I don't like that play style
last mural
concentrated fire or piercing for lucifer?
fair plinth
last time I went mostly athena/demeter boons and just poke nonstop between specials
solid raptor
you could do a poke play style or go flurry
@snow furnace does the build depend on your hammer?
fair plinth
considering hammer gives 3 choices yeah pretty much
snow furnace
concentrated fire or piercing for lucifer?
@last mural piercing is nice for elysium, concentrated fire is pretty dope though
unkempt zephyr
guy use this ||to hide spoilers please|| like guy use this ||lucifer||
mighty ermine
serrated point works on achilles if you can handle the dash distance penalty
unkempt zephyr
|| ||
snow furnace
yeah serrated is super good
mighty ermine
each dash-strike, despite being x3, only counts for one boosted charge
snow furnace
^
I completely forgot about serrated lol
go that if possible
it's super good
@solid raptor
last mural
wait, why does it say concentrated is incompatible with lucifer on the wiki
snow furnace
oh
it definitely does
I think it's a different version?
what I'm talking about makes it ramp faster
snow furnace
yeah concentrated beam is what it's called for luci
it's nice for pesky greatshields and theseus
you can also just hit multiple things at once, but it's mainly helpful for elysium shields
I would prefer concentrated beam
last mural
youre talking about piercing right?
last mural
nah ty
slender solar
dash strike spam with spear is how I got my first win 🙂
it counts as triple for demeter attack boon
but I think I just did deflect attack for the survivability
and athene dash for the dmg
mighty ermine
you mean artemis dash for damage? since that's the most damage-oriented for a serrated point build
sharp anvil
I thought fated persuasion would only reroll one choice
It's so good rerolling all 3 choices... jesus
hazy slate
what boons go well with gun, aspect of hestia
sharp anvil
Dash strike and crit on attack
Then Athena call and athena dash for survivability
Marked is also pretty good, you can just go from marked enemy to marked enemy one shotting them
solid raptor
Triple jab, extending jab, or vicious skewer on flurry spear?
tall yarrow
Anybody else ALWAYS Forget to summon companion? I have 5 uses and I always get to the end of a run and I’m like oh yeaaah....
fickle summit
I feel like no flurry shot in 3 whole runs is cursed or something.
But, I think I still got sub 20 down right now, so that's good
lone lava
Why are you guys flaming fishing boon it's top tier
Also just did the worst run ever
Zeus shield, going for ME build and started athena (idk why I'll start ares next time I think) and I literally just never got offered divine strike ever
So I the the whole run with damn base shield autos
Only to not even get it at styx
And it was so slow so TD2 was getting close, beat elysium with 3 seconds left, got bad sack rng (4th room)
I knew it was doomed but I had 4 death defies (chaos boon and nothing better offered lol) and 300 hp by the time I got past cerb
So I went in with myrmidon bracer and face tanked to kill him before I died to TD which was ticking 5s for the 2nd half of ||phase 2||
proper lagoon
is there a way to guaruntee a daedalus hammer at the start?
i feel like if i dont get either the boon i want or a hammer at start the whole run is doomed
jagged perch
what should i unlock after arthur and beo?
lone lava
No way to guarantee hammer, but the game makes you pretty much always be offered two total
can't get more than 2 though (unless you buy anvil from styx)
Just use a god keepsake get what you want to start with
bronze sorrel
What hammer do you all think is most janky?
random light
i feel like if i dont get either the boon i want or a hammer at start the whole run is doomed
@proper lagoon You can force boons using the respective deity trinket and you're guaranteed 2 hammers per run
you usually get one hammer in Tartarus and the other in Elysium
But there is no way to guarantee the first thing you get is hammer
and of course forcing doesn't mean you'll get the boons you want, but at least for Tartarus, you can "Give Up", switch trinkets, and go again, since the rarity and type of boon won't change you can semi-cheat with that
lone lava
I'm not 100% on how seeds work, mind giving a quick rundown @random light ?
lone lava
Sure take your time and thanks in advance
wicked notch
What makes Achilles spear better than Hades spear at max level and vice versa? They're both 150% damage boost at max but all I see is that Hades benefits attack and special while Achilles boosts attack and cast.
fair plinth
because spin attack makes you very, very vulnerable
steel egret
also achilles let's you warp to the place you launched your spear
wicked notch
Spin hammers would solve that tho yeah?
steel egret
Hades does no such thing
wicked notch
So it's all a playstyle difference?
steel egret
and that warp is the requirement for triggering the bonus damage
@wicked notch always was
lone lava
They're both good, neaubee
steel egret
The game is basically a playstyle difference/preference
lone lava
Always preference tbh
steel egret
you just need to pick your favourite as you play more
lone lava
Like they said achilies is safer to get the dmg boost
wicked notch
Okaay, just checking if there was anything I missed between those two
lone lava
Hades is v good too though, especially with spin hammers
steel egret
yes
wicked notch
Cause T-bloods are grindy
steel egret
You can choose aspects better when you know more about dedalus hammers
it's all experience really
lone lava
ah cool, what did you pick for other weapons?
wicked notch
Guan Yu was my first spear clear actually
And my fastest currently... 21 minutes with a zeus/pos build
lone lava
Nice!
steel egret
hell yea
lone lava
Yeah that's a good one to max too tbh
steel egret
Guan Yu is tricky but can be trainwrecking for the mobs
lone lava
I really like the charged skewer special build on it, can go quite fast since it has a wide aoe and pierce with good dmg
wicked notch
Arthur, Spear/TBD, Chaos Shield, Chiron but usually use Hera, uhh Magnet Fists, Eris
wicked notch
I just got lucky ith guan yu. Charged and Explosive special
steel egret
@wicked notch Talos is solid
wicked notch
Then epic reflex
steel egret
@wicked notch try mixing Talos (magnetic fists) with poseidon on special
lone lava
Got guan yu and chiron maxed, will probably go for eris and chaos shield too
and nemesis
steel egret
Chaos is great, but only on max lvl
hazy slate
First time I won with guan yu I was doing some doom build but it worked out somehow
lone lava
Also ME zeus shield is super fun
wicked notch
Although Hestia had big numbers too
wicked notch
Magnet is nice
lone lava
yeah magnet and multihit both seem like good options
bronze sorrel
Zeusiful End is so fun
lone lava
fist4 is fine without upgrades so I'll leave that for now
@bronze sorrel isn't it!
Most satisfying build for redacted fight I've run so far
also Crit Caveman I'm very much looking forward to this
seems like it'll be very informative haha
wicked notch
Can you PM the wall of text as well? lol
bronze sorrel
I've been trying to find some other builds for Zeus shield I like as much though. Its my favorite aspect but the build is growing stale on me
random light
The Basics of Run RNG:
As most of you know, every run has a set "seed," meaning the game runs all its RNG and decides what's coming up for the run. Once you are on a new run (i.e. you finished the last run), you get a new seed and you will not get a new seed until, win or lose, you finish the run you are now on. You can see this in-game in a number of ways: chamber rewards won't change no matter how many times you give up and retry, your Fated Authority/Persuasion rerolls will yield the same results, and hammer options and boon choices will not change either. Literally nothing changes on reset, every chamber reward, every trove, every boon, every hammer is decided (I guess the Three Fates don't like save state abuse?) the moment a new run begins and will not change until the run is completed. The sole exception is that, obviously, Hammer choices change depending on weapon (sometimes changes due to Aspect, depending on the Aspect's upgrade pool) There is a simple "cheat" you can pull off because of this, but you'll really only do it in Tartarus and probably only for the first few chambers: since Boons are predetermined, you can check the initial boon and if you don't like it, switch your trinket and change which Olympian is offering it. Regardless of deity, the type and rarity of each Boon will be the same. For example, if I get three Rare Athena Boons for Attack, Special, and Dash at run start, I can Give Up, take the Zeus trinket, and Zeus will offer three Rare Boons for Attack, Special, and Dash. You can do this at late in the run as you want, it depends on how much you're willing to redo. For example, sometimes I get a Hammer at run start, then three or four chambers later, find out I'm not getting the boons I want for a specific build. So I'll Give Up, switch Aspects/Weapon, take the trinket for the deity I want, and then go again, knowing I'll be better able to create the build I want. Hope this helps!
wicked notch
Thanks
random light
The later in the run you get, the more chances for slight deviation there are, since there's more opportunities to change what you did from your previous try. But for Tartarus in particular, you're pretty much 95%+ guaranteed to get exactly the same things every time.
lone lava
So do boon choices even not change with diff weapons or aspects?
random light
Nope
lone lava
that's pretty big huh
random light
if you get Rare Attack, Epic Dash, Common Special, you will get those same options regardless of who the deity is
wicked notch
Before, I used to play by always trying to only fish for boons that I want. But I learned it's better to grab every boon regardless.
bronze sorrel
Rarity can change from trinkets or from mirror talents
random light
so if you want to do, say a Cast Build, and you get Dionysus Epic Cast on run start, you can switch to Artemis trinket and get her Epic Cast instead
lone lava
This will be very helpful ty
random light
Rarity can change from trinkets or from mirror talents
@bronze sorrel I can't speak for Mirror Talents, but I've never had a rarity change due to trinket.
bronze sorrel
Also, I think rarity changes on rerolls with Fated Authority between runs, and numbers at a given rarity definitely do.
lone lava
I'd say it's worth pinning tbh if any mods are around
random light
I'm just a singular player though, so it's entirely possible trinkets and mirror change rarity
RNG is RNG, maybe it's just not happened to me
I can say with certainty I, personally, have never had the rarity change.
lone lava
by 'rarity changes from trinkets' do ya mean say rare attack, epic dash, rare special with X god's keepsake may not be rare attack, epic dash, rare special with Y god's keepsake?
I guess it can be tested
bronze sorrel
@bronze sorrel I can't speak for Mirror Talents, but I've never had a rarity change due to trinket.
@random light if something is common without a god keepsake, you can take a god keepsake and it sometimes upgrades. Its predetermined if it will upgrade. Taking mirror talents is similar.
random light
It will definitely be the same type so it’ll still be Attack, Dash, Special, but the rarity might change due to trinket, apparently
Oh cool, didn’t know that
But you’ll never get a worse rarity, no?
bronze sorrel
Also if it upgrades from one keepsake, it will for all of them I think.
lone lava
Fredgerd does that assume you had a god keepsake of the same level on for the first run that you reset?
bronze sorrel
You can get a worse rarity if you take a god keepsake off
lone lava
maybe it just changes cause you switch to a keepsake with higher rarity bonus
wicked notch
Does having a god keepsake increase the chances of encountering that god's boons?
random light
It guarantees one boon from that god
bronze sorrel
maybe it just changes cause you switch to a keepsake with higher rarity bonus
@lone lava its exactly that
proper lagoon
I don’t start with a diety trinket maybe that’s my problem
bronze sorrel
But its predetermined
lone lava
No it only ensures one encounter, however having a primary boon from that god makes them come up more
proper lagoon
I always start with Pom blossom and keep it all game
proper lagoon
I can do heat 10 easily with every wep but I struggle at 15/16
lone lava
most people use a god keepsake for tartarus always and usually for asphodel too
proper lagoon
Yeah I’ll try that
lone lava
I guess you can run one in elysium if you need to force a 3rd god but usually you can run something else
wicked notch
Oh just one boon? So there's no point aside from rarity chance to keep it to the next region?
bronze sorrel
Shackle and Purse are decent starts toi arguably
lone lava
like coinpurse or hourglass
random light
Pom Blossom I usually take if I manage to snag the core of my build in Tartarus and Asphodel
bronze sorrel
Esp if you know the seed
random light
Oh just one boon? So there's no point aside from rarity chance to keep it to the next region?
@wicked notch sometimes you want more boons from the same deity and you want them to be really good, so the rarity boost helps
proper lagoon
I like Pom blossom because if I find 1 good attack boon by the time I finish Tartarusitll be like level 7
Or 5 attack 4 special something like that
random light
But most builds usually take multiple gods so you’d wanna force a different god each region
lone lava
I start purse when I go for the 15% interest mirror talent
bronze sorrel
I also like plume for zag fists but its arguably janky
hexed grotto
I just got an epic side hustle (+16 obols per chamber) with hording slash (attack gains bonus dmg equal to 5% of obol) and I ended with 1700+ obols, and I have double edge as well, much nice synergy
random light
I usually just take Pockets for flat 100 Obol I haven’t done the math but I don’t know if the interest mirror talent is worth unless you’re already hoarding gold or you have high rarity Side Hustle from Hermes
lone lava
by forcing boons
proper lagoon
Yeah that sounds like a good idea
lone lava
Yep plume zag fist is very fun
proper lagoon
I don’t like hoarding slash because with 1000 that’s only 50 bonus damage
bronze sorrel
Tbh, kinda underwhelmed by pom blossum unless I have a really small boon pool
proper lagoon
Big woop 50 damage
random light
Pom Blossom is excellent in Styx if you don’t need something like Skelly, since you go through so many fights in Styx
random light
It’s like a free 4-7 levels once Blossom is max rank
proper lagoon
Or does hoarding slash increase base damage
If it’s base damage that sounds really strong
hexed grotto
@proper lagoon I haven't played in a while so returning and seeing so many new boons is interesting, I took what I was able to get and was able to put together a ncie build so it was kinda cool
lone lava
hoarding slash can be good with attack speed
bronze sorrel
Acorn is just borderline required for EM4 and EM4 is required for The Unseen Ones so its always on for me.
lone lava
the unseen ones?
bronze sorrel
Song
proper lagoon
I just mean with 1000 coins you could get a bunch of boons that add up to more than 50 damage
random light
It’s bonus damage, it’s got a %Mod, right? So pretty sure not base damage. Hoarding Slash is not my style, but there’s nothing wrong with it. Take the Convenience Fee Pact since you don’t want to spend Obol anyways, it’s free Heat.
lone lava
yep acorn is just so nice for the final fight
bronze sorrel
Its the epic guilty gear esque metal shred
proper lagoon
Makes sense
hexed grotto
ah well I had 1700ish obols and I had double edge so I figured it was pretty good, which it was (no heat run tho)
lone lava
I used to go tooth when I was new but now I run acorn almost always unless I think satyr tunnels will be rough
proper lagoon
When i run sword I like the 200% backstab damage
lone lava
then I run spearpoint
steel egret
anything above 500 obols with hoarding slash is good
hexed grotto
probably wouldn't have gotten it if I didn;t have double edge or the boon from hermes that gives more money
random light
I believe Hoarding Slash caps at 1000
proper lagoon
Aspect of Arthur + 200% backstab + life steal
bronze sorrel
It does mean I have to deal with that stupid chariot though...
hexed grotto
@random light ah really? that kinda sucks
steel egret
@random light i tried some value editing, it doesn't
untold vortex
it does't cap at 1k
wicked notch
Are dmg mods additive or multiplicative?
steel egret
You just dont see the difference
bronze sorrel
Hold still theseus
random light
So vastly diminishing returns
lone lava
Hey mr agg
proper lagoon
50 base damage from 1000 coins would be OP
untold vortex
hoarding slash does what it says on the tin
lone lava
would it be worth pinning a message about seeds here?
proper lagoon
50 bonus damage is meh
steel egret
yeah, you just can't get much above 1000
random light
So beyond 1000 you might as well spend for a boon or something
steel egret
1000 or 1200 isn't much different when you 5% it
untold vortex
I mean, you can it just requires some help to get there
steel egret
@random light yea
lone lava
50 bonus dmg is pretty nice with flurry slash
random light
implying I would take Hoarding over something like Double Nova or Breaching Slash but hey the more you know
What do people think about nemesis
@topaz prawn my fave sword
lone lava
Maybe add hermes attackspeed or even zagspect lol
random light
Although Poseidon is growing on me
proper lagoon
50 bonus with the rail or fists is massive , but the sword is so slow
At least, Arthur is slow
untold vortex
nemisis can generate the highest dps of any sword aspect imo
lone lava
nemesis is best but arthur is also very fun
proper lagoon
I only play Arthur with the sword
steel egret
Nemesis is great
random light
I love crit builds and I use crit builds often so Nemesis is one of my go to
proper lagoon
Life steal is too good
steel egret
Arthur changes playstyle a lot, which is great
lone lava
arthur has lifesteal?
proper lagoon
There’s a life steal hammer upgrade
lapis matrix
It's a hammer boon
steel egret
Arthur gives you more base life, and special creates an aura
random light
Arthur with crit is super slow, but like when that third hit crits it’s just
proper lagoon
Er not life steal really, it’s life on hit
random light
steel egret
in which you take less damage, also enemies are slower
wicked notch
Arthur is prettier
lone lava
I did aphro with arthur
wicked notch
Aesthetics is 90% of damage
lone lava
Also that on hit heal hammer boon is anti synergy with arthur
and pretty bad overall imo
random light
If that Cursed Slash was life steal and not life on hit it would be so good
lone lava
even on other swords
steel egret
@wicked notch Arthur wins the match in that case
lone lava
since you tend to just spam dash attack and it doesn't heal on that
proper lagoon
If I get life on hit with Arthur and I have some decent boob synergy I know going into hades it’s already a win
lapis matrix
Isn't life steal life on hit?
steel egret
@lone lava you can make it a viable strategy, but that needs a specific hammer upgrades
lone lava
on hit for normal attack
steel egret
which you can't really choose normally
proper lagoon
When hades spawns mobs just group em up and swing a couple times and your health is topped off
lone lava
yeah it's better with flurry slash ig
lone lava
yes if you use normal attack
wicked notch
Does anyone here use Lucifer? I tried using it and I always mess it up by getting no ammo boon. What hammer is better for Lucifer?
proper lagoon
I love Lucifer
steel egret
i guess the more ammo boon and accuracy one
wicked notch
I find that no ammo gimps damage a lot
proper lagoon
Pierce attack infinite ammo and Dionysus hangover
It attacks so fast you put 5 stacks of hangover on everyone immediately
Or Zeus chain lightning also really nice
lone lava
I went for faster ramp up and faster fire rate with zeus attack plus supporting fire
wicked notch
Hmm, I'll try those out
lone lava
add PP and hunters mark
proper lagoon
I love ramp up dps but I just love not having to reload
steel egret
Which conversation trigger the Lucifer aspect ?
lone lava
reloading isn't the worst since you can dash while you do it so just take the time to reposition
wicked notch
Sorry, want to ask again. Are dmg mods additive or multiplicative?
lone lava
But I do love delta chamber on the normal bullet aspects of rail
proper lagoon
There is nothing more frustrating than « click click click click click »...😫
lone lava
not reloading is chill
I just heard here that it's not worth losing the ramp dmg on lucy
proper lagoon
@wicked notch i believe it’s like diablo, where the damage% is multiplicative to the base damage but additive to one another
unique vigil
@wicked notch good take on arthur aesthetics
wicked notch
Hmm, okay. Do we have a damage calc somewhere?
proper lagoon
So if Aphrodite gives you 50% and your base damage is 100, then you get ares +10% damage, your damage will be 160
Not 165
wicked notch
Hmmm okay.
wicked notch
Yep got it
steel egret
ah, unfortunately no
but there are many ways to become more op without multiplying the boons ;P
sharp anvil
Oh I'm just farming darkness
Not looking to be op
I have +230% more darkness/gems right now 
Two +% bonuses from Chaos and one from Poseidon
wicked notch
So much darkness that My Chemical Romance starts playing in the distance
snow furnace
the people aren't ready for hazard bomb luci
ok nvm I really regret this
I can't blow it up from a distance because my casts and lasers track onto enemies instead and I apparently lack the ability to time my dashes for this 
prisma dove
LMAO
snow furnace
I prefer boon-less attack to this 
I was right
the people aren't ready
I wasn't ready
turbid needle
Question
jolly osprey
The auto targeting is real rough with Luci
turbid needle
is there any real point to the shield toss?
I mean, I would love to captain america my way through some fights, but the DPS and damage output is REALLY low
snow furnace
you can make special builds
things like charged flight help
hammers help a lot
they are definitely viable, particularly with the 4th aspect if you want to do it
oh and I can't forget zeus is literally a "special" aspect
foggy wagon
Just turn off auto-targeting?
@turbid needle shield toss gets way better when ||you unlock the other aspects||
Stock shield toss is pants
*stock shield is pants
snow furnace
yeah literally any other aspect can use special pretty well
empty veldt
For ME build on shield, is Ares on special or attack
solid cairn
I want to know as much about the other weapons as I do with the sword
like I SUCK with guan yu
and I really like it so yeah
jolly osprey
Doom/Hangover on Special with shield toss is real nice
You can apply it to large parts of the room quickly
Or possibly Poseidon as well
snow furnace
like I SUCK with guan yu
@solid cairn guan yu usually runs either a spin build or a special build. For spin, quick spin is top priority and massive spin is secondary. Winged serpent usually isn't worth it unless ever other option is on your attack or something. For spin, Athena attack is a good choice. Special build is built similarly to other spear special builds but you only have two special hammer options
you could run serrated point, but at that point just use any other spear option which will be better
quaint gale
epic rush delivery, epic greater haste and epic hyper sprint with level 4 ares call and level 3 dio cast with the hera bow...and then find 2 speed boosts in the well. the power of the speedforce is godly
tidal edge
what determines the angle of ||megaera's companion attack||? I just got it and I'm wondering if there's a trick to making it hit as many enemies as possible
snow furnace
there are, primarily staying as close as possible but it can be kinda unpredictable
anything in particular you're thinking of?
unkempt pagoda
i honestly couldn't tell you, all i know is that at the heroes, you dash upward then press summon
cause then you'll always hit both
tidal edge
I guess that's the main one I was thinking of haha
I kinda knew how to do it from watching speedruns but I was curious how it works exactly
unkempt pagoda
there have been some out there theories in this server lol
i saw one where it was dependent on the angle of zag's shoulders???
tidal edge
snow furnace
I doubt that one lol
tidal edge
on a related note, when are the other summons better? I also have ||skelly||, ||dusa||, and ||thanatos|| right now but I haven't upgraded any yet because I can only fully upgrade one
||thanatos|| hits like a truck but ||meg|| seems more reliable? and I haven't even used the other ones yet tbh
snow furnace
||meg is typically the most versatile/useful, but the others can be used as well to greater affect in certain situations||
tidal edge
I've heard ||bouldy|| is very good for newer players
unkempt pagoda
||thanatos is higher damage but very slow in comparison to meg
dusa is better in regular rooms and minibosses, helps when regular rooms get very dangerous (such as BP2)
skelly is similar, helping get the heat off of you in bad spots (though he's also viable in bosses too)||
tidal edge
gotcha, maybe I'll try some runs with ||dusa|| since I'm not trying to shave down my boss times or anything yet
thoughts on ||bouldy||?
unkempt pagoda
||bouldy can be great when you're in a tight spot, but he gets less and less useful the more you use LC||
unkempt pagoda
👍
solid cairn
I feel like im being too aggro with sword
robust anchor
which sword
onyx parcel
oblique forge
median oar
is shackle "each of these will do x more damage when you don't have a boon in that slot" or "all of these slots must be empty, then all do x more damage"
untold vortex
the first one
median oar
cheers
vapid marten
good builds for spear 0 heat run?
tidal edge
exploding launcher is very strong for spear too
limpid wyvern
An Ares Athena focused build could be effective
Specifically the two doom boons and then the phalanx shot and reflect dash
jade rover
IF I equip a gods keepsake, then choose a different god at a two way path immediatly after, does it force the god to keep spawning?
I'll just science it.
stoic thicket
No, it doesn't. As long as you don't pick a room where the reward is the god's boon you keep the keepsake charge. You can see this by the number below the keepsake.
sharp anvil
If I keep my zeus keepsake for every world, does that guarantee me at least 4 zeus boons?
jade rover
I think not. It doesn't refresh between areas
jade rover
That stays, I'm pretty sure.
stoic thicket
The keepsake works exactly once to force the god, once you have picked a boon from them the keepsake only increases rarity of any further boons from them, but doesn't force the appearance anymore.
jade rover
I'll forever stand by Chaos shield, despite the nerfs.
sharp anvil
What do you usually build with it when doing 40 heat?
jade rover
My highest clear is 32, so grain of salt, but It's pretty incredible with zeus special and ares attack. I think the real benifit of it is that it kinda just works with whatever you slap on there.
Always pick hammers, though, not a one of them is bad.
turbid halo
I've also only done 32 but I run aphrodite special and whatever I get for other gods
turbid needle
for the well of charon, do any of the things in the well have a prerequisite?
I'm missing one for the prophecy
turbid halo
She has a lot of good duos, and explosive return hammer is fantastic for fast clear
Good things to take include zeus call for smoldering air, demeter cast for that duo, ares or dio attacks for their duos...
The only hammer I actively avoid is extra bounces because it breaks my rhythm
rare kayak
@turbid needle whats the name of the one you’re missing?
as far as i know only aether net and kiss of styx have prereqs
which is call and losing one dd respectively
if youre really desperate can use fated persuasion mirror and continuously reroll wells
clever owl
I think the one that causes infernal gates/fishing points have prereqs
stoic thicket
So, uh, I just ran a Demeter fist aspect run with Poseidon attack for the fun of it, I don't think I've seen any effect of the knockback. Like, none. Wasn't that like way more noticeable before?
Not even with the Legendary, the enemies were straight up not moving at all.
crude salmon
chill effects knockback speed afaik
also fists attack has like no innate knockback so poseidon buff is trying to build off of zero
turbid needle
@rare kayak let me check after this run
crude salmon
its probably Night Spindle
cunning urchin
@sharp anvil #h1-high-heat-strategies is a better channel for 40+ Heat discussion.
turbid needle
@rare kayak Touch of Styx
tidal edge
@cunning urchin I've been reading the discord search results for "beowulf" and found a lot of useful tips in your old messages, it's been very helpful since I just unlocked it so thank you
cunning urchin
I'm glad to be of help. 
crude salmon
@turbid needle swap to Stubborn Defiance at the Mirror
jade rover
I'm currently my first run with ||Lucifer|| (do I need to spoiler that?) and it is seeming incredibly strong.
tidal edge
Can you recommend any other fun builds for Beowulf besides Aphro cast?
I tried Trippy Flare with Stygian Soul and that was decent after I got my second bloodstone, wondering what else I can play around with
crude salmon
@jade rover its the opposite of regular Exagryph, its strong early and falls off later
valid forge
do ppl think zeus shield holds up at high heat
jade rover
I mean, I'm about to fight redacted, unless by later you mean higher heat.
valid forge
its def pretty fun to mess around with and it stacks some special stuff absurdly
but its not fast at what it does
rare kayak
yyeah coffee is right touch of styx is kiss of styx but with stubborn defiance
its cheaper too i think
turbid needle
man
the bow only seems good when I get the power up which removes the charge shot on it
jade rover
Flurry shot? I avoid that one, personally
half crater
dash attacking massively reduces the charge time
sharp anvil
How is Hades critting me? I have no heat on
valid forge
wdym by crit
sharp anvil
He crit me for 66 when I have 20% damage reduction
valid forge
sometimes he just swings for 80
half crater
hades can't crit even with heat?
valid forge
but hades hitting for 80 is normal on that one big swing
crude salmon
the only enemy that can crit afaik is Theseus
sharp anvil
I've had the same attack hit for different numbers
half crater
ohhh
main osprey
Redacted does extra damage if you've been hit by a Skull
sharp anvil
Oh makes sense
sharp anvil
Welp, it didn't matter anyway because I had 3 lives, 125 hp with +2 hp on hit
And 30% attack speed
It was a braindead fight
main osprey
you're notice a screen shader along the border, plus an icon above your health bar
jade rover
Lucifer just melted redacted, wow. I don't think that fight has ever been faster for me.
main osprey
yup
crude salmon
"a screen shader" is a bit less than what i'd call it
main osprey
eer yeah
crude salmon
lights your whole screen up green/orange
valid forge
tldr dodge the skulls
half crater
*deflect the skulls
valid forge
shush we cant all just roll athena every run
main osprey
technically you can
jade rover
keepsakes bruh
half crater
we... can't? confusion
valid forge
you're not wrong
half crater
yeah true tbh
valid forge
yeah i agree
main osprey
the only reason I'd run the same build twice in a row is if I'm doing it on a completely different weapon
half crater
yeah that was changed in 1.0
valid forge
ive been doing coinpurse act 1, use keepsakes to summon a god who im already spec'd into act 2, then ||flower|| for 3 and 4
half crater
used to deflect normally, but they nerfed deflection in that fight
valid forge
but im mixing it up to max all the keepsakes
half crater
which is prolly fair as it was very effective
crude salmon
honestly just run ||blossom|| the whole run unless you need a specific god
half crater
i always need a specific god
jade rover
Definitly run it in styx
crude salmon
3 free levels > 150 gold
half crater
gotta have them duos in my life
valid forge
my issue is if I take it act 1 im commited to never switching off it
and i like to get a free god act 2 or so
busted in styx tho ofc completely nuts
prisma dove
Charon's curbstomping me, any uhh tips
half crater
never tried it there as i need my acorn lol
jade rover
watch the oar, it telegraphs every attack
main osprey
I mean learn what his tell is for his main attack
half crater
yeah he's actually pretty predictable if you do the fight a bunch of times you'll learn his attakcs
valid forge
charon has a very simple attack pattern he just hits really hard
main osprey
otherwise, it's just dodging over his waves
austere shadow
How do I deal with ||Hades' green hand mine things?||
prisma dove
Is it just me or does he have a more abundant health than the first boss
jade rover
hit em, dash away
valid forge
either pop them from long range, or hit then dash
main osprey
^^
half crater
honestly i just dodge the explosions
prisma dove
I typically let Hade's deal with them
austere shadow
Would Dionysus' aoe cast work for that
main osprey
it does destroy them
prisma dove
I think it screwed me over once yeah
main osprey
it's probably better used to hit Redacted though xD
main osprey
depending on my build, I'll either dash through them, bull rush through them, or clear an area and fight there
valid forge
ive never found them that large an issue, even if they're annoying you really only need to clear 1 or 2 to make room to fight
every weapon other than fists has an easy long range way to deal with them as well
prisma dove
I feel like Jolted is really strong along with Poseidon's curse
But they are a pain to get in act 1 and 2
valid forge
i dont think ive even come close to losing a run where i spec'd into zeus heavily
prisma dove
Zeus is pretty strong yeah
tidal edge
zeus excalibur
crude salmon
reef galleon
has anybody here had genuine fun with 1.0 chaos shield yet?
hearty elbow
Yeah I like it a lot more than Blood Price
It's worse, but sue me, I enjoy aiming and positioning
main osprey
I wrote up a thing in #h1-story-discussion about it
sullen valley
I feel like I was supposed to die the first time I fought Charon.
grand mason
I really hope the devs at Supergiant games have seen this, skip to the last 10 minutes of the video to see the Hades fight. This dude just stands there and magic happens wow, what a build:
main osprey
@grand mason #self-promotion please