faster charge spin, bigger spin, further spin hammers for it
#h1-builds-and-combat
limber pine
limber pine
just go youtube and search for runs on it to see how it works
can always spam special since it's strong
also, you don't need to fully charge for it to be useful
icy parrot
Is the special any stronger than other aspects?
limber pine
you can always try on skelly
outer oar
@hearty elbow i dont find the dash length much of a problem because the dash attack has such good range personally
warm shale
oh
outer oar
as far as guan yu aspect goes
there's two things that really help the charge attack from hammers
faster charge, and pulsing dmg + sturdy
the spear also has higher base damage
warm shale
also divine strike makes the spinning circle constantly deflect, which is nice
outer oar
so serrated points is really good with it thoo
you can use that as your primary attack like with a regular spear then use the charge attack to heal as needed
turbid needle
I think Guan Yu with Serrated Point is better than Hades.
outer oar
basically you can play it just like regular spear, which is a very safe weapon, except you can heal as needed
the healing is a bit worse off in the hades fight, but if you keep all your death defiances, you should be fine
worst comes to it you can always play the zoning game
the main advantage of this weapon is the bigger damage, rather than the healing effect
imo anyway
you can certainly make builds around the charge attack with the right hammers
the bigger circles + the faster charge can do some sick DPS
but just dont think of it like that has to be your primary attack or anything
use what you get from hammers
and if hammers go for a different build, well, its probably a zoning based build, so just use spin attack to heal in safe situations
also i dont recommend using this weapon not fully upgraded unless you're good which i'm not
outer oar
lol that world splitter video
unkempt pagoda
maybe better players than me can handle new delta chamber, but i like it now
outer oar
thats a hard decision
tepid ridge
I would’ve gone with second wave I think?? Assuming it was on your special, but there is the factor of knocking your enemies out of the radius of cluster bombs
hot idol
bosS
empty veldt
yeah sweet nectar's good early, i actually sold sweet nectar often in runs with UC
cosmic jacinth
tips for dah big damage sword?
empty veldt
getting attack speed from hermes helps a lot
cosmic jacinth
i meant the arthur aspect fyi
empty veldt
i usually run crit build with aphro on special and artemis on attack, athena dash
yeah i know
cosmic jacinth
not the world spliter
ah
k
so get adamant arrow head or the aphro special? first
empty veldt
you become quite tanky in hollowed ground against weak enemies
livid comet
aphro
cosmic jacinth
for the special right?
empty veldt
I prefer the crit on the attack, but its very comparable the damage you do
cosmic jacinth
thought cant u reacfh 1k damage easy on a crit? with the last hit
foggy wagon
How's Lucifer?
empty veldt
With Heart Rend, Clean Kill and backstab yeah sure not too difficult
cosmic jacinth
does it help to go for the big damage upgrades on the mirror like the high confidence?
since ur extra hp
empty veldt
Uhh no ahaha
you take a lot of hits since you're slower
unless you're confident with yourself of course
livid comet
nope because it no longer works once you're down on HP
cosmic jacinth
kk
livid comet
as a general rule of thumb I dislike abilities that help you win harder
as opposed to abilities that help you turn around a losing situation
cosmic jacinth
also the 5% damage per different boon is good for arthur right since slow hits?
empty veldt
depends on your build
but PS and FF is comparable
if you're going crit, you're better of FF as opposed to PS, since you dont have status effects
cosmic jacinth
k
orchid plinth
Is it just me or does the changes on Guan Yu not seem like it is worth the the health penalty
empty veldt
Nope, generally, lifesteal's pretty bad
cosmic jacinth
SPIN IT TO WIN IT XD i havent got it yet but that seems to be how it works in videos
cosmic jacinth
i have heard the spin attack is rly good right?
empty veldt
Get one shot by enemy lel
foggy wagon
But it's honestly a totally different and enjoyable playstyle
You have to build tank on Guan Yu
orchid plinth
It seems really good if you are amazing at dodging
empty veldt
even the hammer upgrade on sword for lifesteal is not worth it
foggy wagon
Bracer, dodge, damage resist, Weak, the works
orchid plinth
Maybe I’ll try with Athena
robust anchor
after trying them all i think zag is my favorite bow
orchid plinth
To try to make up for the lack of health
empty veldt
I mean I run athena dodge nearly everything, unless i wanna go specific dodge builds
Athena dash is the best
after trying them all i think zag is my favorite bow
@robust anchor its mine as well, my first 32 heat clear is with zag bow
cosmic jacinth
how good is double dash attacks on arthur aspect?
empty veldt
Issue is, you're running so many defensive stuff, how much damage are you sacrificing. Less damage = more time you're exposed to the enemy = more potential for taking hits
orchid plinth
I just tried hera bow for the first time, it was pretty amazing
empty veldt
so its not really a win scenario either
orchid plinth
Easy second clear, didn’t even use death defiance
empty veldt
All bow aspects are good
how good is double dash attacks on arthur aspect?
@cosmic jacinth its ok, the double dash attack is always ok on sword
cosmic jacinth
is it me or does the arthur sword have like a dash combo?
empty veldt
yes it does
empty veldt
the timing is a bit wonky sometimes tho, sometimes it works properly
cosmic jacinth
ah so it is better on the double hit?
cosmic jacinth
sad
empty veldt
cause if you continue the combo, the combo doesnt double hit
cosmic jacinth
re
empty veldt
cause its technically not the dash attack
empty veldt
You can ask Llama Rama how it works, he explains it much better
with arthur, shadow slash is pretty good
livid comet
you can dash-cancel into special or your normal attack
which is nice since it speeds up the first swing
cosmic jacinth
XD
i just got shadow slash
died to the boatman sigh
i have not beat em once
had base damage for attack as well welp
empty veldt
Thats why i like going athena dash first then offensive boons second
cause i dont generally have time/damage problems in tartarus unless i'm making mistakes
at least with Arthur
robust anchor
yes i do the same with nemesis
empty veldt
tbf on my 32 heat clear with bow, i get aphro first then athena second
cause i'm exposing myself to less hits with the bow
unique vigil
aspect of demeter is pretty fun with kinetic launcher
idk if it's good but it's pretty cool
jade rover
's pretty good. Just definitly don't get posiedon special.'
jade rover
you pretty much won the run
unique vigil
ah lol
onyx parcel
Rail is actually so fun
Shield is the most boring weapon
I love all the weapons now except for shield
unique vigil
what about shield 4
sharp shadow
whats the best weapon to unlock the butterfly achievement?
onyx parcel
Probably ranged
unique vigil
weapon doesn't matter much
onyx parcel
So bow or rail
cosmic jacinth
epic dash or rare attack speed up which one aspect of arthur?
unique vigil
swift strike helps a lot on aspect of arthur
you don't need it but it makes the attacks much smoother
cosmic jacinth
but 3 extra dashes XD
lone lava
@the people saying they don't like guan yu try a special build with charged skewer hammer upgrade
unique vigil
just take the dashes then, whatever you prefer
cosmic jacinth
also im somewhat a crit on the attack
lone lava
Arty or aphro special, everything else can be whatever
cosmic jacinth
since I ONLY GOT NON ATTACK UPGRADES from flipping aphro
also aphro special
but sadness ;-;
from not getting her attack
livid comet
rip
cosmic jacinth
after like 3 or 4 times seeing her
livid comet
another run perhaps
cosmic jacinth
without a attack upgrade
livid comet
rip
cosmic jacinth
swift strike ima take it
unique vigil
and that's why I have fated persuasion
cosmic jacinth
no i got room changing one to expensive the other
lone lava
Imo the reroll choices one is much better than the room changing one
Since you have god keepsakes plus I like chthonic keys to give me the stronger dice
cosmic jacinth
well im poor
on darkness
somewhat mirror is maxed on only one side and i only got four room changers
livid comet
yeah I'd buy your darkness back and spend those on rerolls for boons
much more versatile and useful
hearty elbow
@unkempt pagoda Did Delta Chamber actually change? Because I had it on Eris + Lightning Strike as well and kinda liked it
unkempt pagoda
yes it did
when i first used it, it was way slower than it is now
the burst fire was slower, and the time between bursts was too
unkempt pagoda
rail hammer, makes you never have to reload and your gun fires in bursts of 3
cosmic jacinth
aah
unkempt pagoda
it used to be a trap hammer because the burst was so slow it actually lost dps
but now the burst is faster and it's actually viable now
cosmic jacinth
eris and lightning?
unkempt pagoda
eris is an aspect of rail, lightning from zeus boons
cosmic jacinth
because i never actually use it the gun
unkempt pagoda
lightning strike procs on every bullet and eris makes all damage +75%
so suddenly your lightning bullets are doing way higher damage than usual for very little cost
cosmic jacinth
damn eris seems op
unkempt pagoda
it kinda is
the cost is having to stand where your special explodes in order to get the boost
it's probably my favorite rail aspect tbh, it quite literally can go with any build, any boon
had a poseidon call the other day do 1k damage per hit on eris
brittle wind
I still love my hestia
hasty oracle
Yeah even better if you get triple bomb
static jacinth
Guan Yu is good.
brittle wind
all bad...??
static jacinth
I like Zag spear.
unkempt pagoda
i use hades spear the most
static jacinth
All of them are pretty good, in all.
unique vigil
achilles spear is pretty good imo
brittle wind
I use hades though
hasty oracle
Right which boobs are good say for Zag and Achilles?
oblique forge
boobs-
brittle wind
boobss... yeah every boobss
unique vigil
brittle wind
Guan yu is the only weapon that I stopped using since it breaks my streak lol
unique vigil
yeah guan yu is kinda risky
I also used it without upgrading it so my hp was nonexistent lmao
oblique forge
who needs aspects when you have flurry
lapis matrix
Guan Yu does like 50 flat out with the special right?
hasty oracle
High risk indeed
unkempt pagoda
tip: use deadly flourish + charged skewer on guan yu
brittle wind
High risk low reward... the spining thing is not that powerful... leave you open to attack... and the life leech is only 1 hp
hasty oracle
Poseidon good with spear?
static jacinth
Guan Yu is basically giving you Explosive Launcher for free.
Which is one of the best hammers.
brittle wind
hades hit me with his spinning spear for 48... and I heal back for 3?? lol spear
unkempt pagoda
explosive launcher except the explosive is literally the whole hitbox
lapis matrix
I'm not actually sure what boons are good with spears
brittle wind
Poseidon.. because poseidon use spear lol
empty veldt
standard crit build always works, especially on aspect of hades
Achilles aspect good for cast, running trippy shot dio deals a lot of damage on achiles
empty veldt
Poseidon boon on main attack doesn't push that much, unless you running shield. If you get the flurry jab upgrade i kinda like running demeter as well with arctic blast
hasty oracle
I'll Dio with trippy shot
brittle wind
trippy shot ftw
I usually avoid them because it can't stack the crystal for the buff
cosmic jacinth
so im doing a drainging special build do i need to press something other than special and cast or no?
hasty oracle
Wow 600 trippy indeed lol
brittle wind
trippy with duo zeus and demeter is crazy
cosmic jacinth
onyx
brittle wind
it turns every weapon into casting material
cosmic jacinth
what do i do for a special vampire build for fists?
jaunty solar
it is
lone lava
But the special is so nice
lapis matrix
The spin is pretty nice with crit
jaunty solar
you want the faster spin daedalus if you can get it
lone lava
Take the first green mirror talent (fiery presence) and one shot multiple things in one throw always
It's really quick at clearing rooms
jaunty solar
guan yu spin does insane damage with boons, havent tried it myself but i imagine artemis or aphrodite attack would make it shred
lone lava
I've heard people like athena attack on guan yu for spin build or something
lapis matrix
That's good too
lone lava
To throw out and use as deflect cover
lapis matrix
But that takes a while to charge up I think
jaunty solar
like a said
pray for daedalus
for daedalus is a better god than all of olympus combined
lone lava
I dunno it just feels non viable to heal much off bosses, say compared to killing them faster and from a safer distance with charged skewer
oblique forge
daedalus only run?
jaunty solar
spear special is boring tho
lone lava
Topping up hp in rooms is nice if you're in a tough spot but you can do that on a special build too with the last enemy
jaunty solar
unless it is achilles spear
lone lava
infact you can heal more with boonless uncharged spin
I like that achilies is a potential cast build for spear
Special -> dash -> chuck out hunting blades
lapis matrix
Hmm, is trippy shot bugged?
I think the rare trippy shot is using the normal trippy shot damage numbers
raw chasm
With the aspect of hera on the bow -- what's a recommended cast boon? I beat the game for the first time with ares' blade rift cast...so that can't be bad. Any other suggestions?
void zenith
Athena's or Artemis are both good for straight up damage
Especially if you load in 3+ casts at once
Artemis also has the nice bonus of seeking other enemies if you do overkill damage and one or two of those casts keep going
lapis matrix
Trippy shot is pretty good too
void zenith
It's good for damage, but the issue is that you then have to wait for the fog to be over until you can pick them up again. Or, well, you could use the recharge casts instead
lapis matrix
The only one it doesn't work well with is Demeters
void zenith
Yeah, Demeter casts really don't work that well with either Hera aspect or the ||Beowulf||
raw chasm
i only have one point in the bow so the casts drop slow -- that's why i liked the ares one. i'm assuming if i go with a cast that sticks in the enemy i need to get the boon that makes them drop out quickly yeah?
small stirrup
You could also just run poseidon aspect which forces out bloodstones
void zenith
Well, can't really have both Hera bow and Poseidon sword, can you?
lapis matrix
They're asking about the bow specifically
void zenith
But yeah, picking up those Hermes boons to recover casts quicker does help
unkempt pagoda
for hera my go-to is trippy shot with both scintillating feast and ice wine
void zenith
Oh, and Artemis' Exit wounds have a nice synergy if you can pick it up
unkempt pagoda
for casts that stick, i'd rather go pos sword
void zenith
Well, fully-loaded Hera would pretty much kill most mobs on one shot anyway, so you'll just pick them up and reload anyway
barren otter
Yeah, Demeter casts really don't work that well with either Hera aspect or the ||Beowulf||
Crystal Beam is replaced with Icy Flare on ||Beowulf||
unkempt pagoda
hera doesn't have the insane exit wounds potential or cast bonus like pos sword does
void zenith
Oh? I knew about the blade rift switch, but wasn't aware of the Icy Flare
unkempt pagoda
but hera is safer and can more easily burst (and is nicer on the fingers)
lapis matrix
Or the bonus of Achilles
void zenith
Hera also has the bonus of having the bow special which can just carry a run all on its own
lapis matrix
Trippy Shot numbers definitely seem to be bugged
void zenith
What do you mean?
lapis matrix
I have an epic level trippy shot right now
Well, the boon currently is called trippy flare
When I'm on the bow
unkempt pagoda
trippy flare is how it is on hera bow and beowulf
lapis matrix
I should be doing 350 damage
Per cast
I seem to be doing the normal boon damage
At level 5
Trippy flare seems to not be scaling with the rarity
Also with Hera Bow Trippy Flare lasts just as long as the time it takes to dislodge
At max level
austere shadow
Is it just me, or can the minotaur actually damage theseus when he's charging at you?
glass kelp
I know theseus can hurt asterius with the thrown spear so the other way seems plausible too
turbid needle
Alright
I think I asked before but how does one get the most out of the gun when its DPS is pathetically low?
void zenith
Gun is super reliant on getting a good attack boon. Zeus is a good match, for example
lapis matrix
Hmm, it seems that the trippy shot is displaying the numbers incorrectly I think
ornate prawn
i tend to run Distant Memory with gun
turbid needle
Use your special
That thing moves like molasses; how is it supposed to hit anything?
void zenith
Demeter isn't bad either, especially with the arctic blast
lapis matrix
My epic trippy shot should do 168 damage but it seems to be using the numbers on the wiki
Where the Epic trippy shot does 140
I'm not sure which is the correct number
ornate prawn
That thing moves like molasses; how is it supposed to hit anything?
i tend to use it in a couple ways
first, as an opener when the enemies haven't noticed you
second, as an in-between while the attack is reloading
in both cases, if the enemies are moving around, you have to anticipate their movement while the special is in the air
void zenith
I kinda use the special as a "fire and forget" Just hit the button whenever you reload, see if it hits someone
Better yet if you get the hammer for 5 mortars
lapis matrix
Or the triple bomb
void zenith
^just hit the button three times
ornate prawn
RVDZ is right about fire-and-forget
shoot it when you need to reload, hope it hits something
quartz remnant
I've been using Zeus boons for my Chaos Shield runs and now I want to try something different. I'm thinking either Poseidon or Dio? Which is good?
void zenith
Dio is super nice on Chaos aspect special
spiral tree
...welp
after all this time
finally unlocked guan yu
...but it's not what I thought
only the spin attack gives life
empty veldt
proceed to be utterly disappointed
quartz remnant
Yep.
empty veldt
people just use special on guan yu
quartz remnant
I have yet to complete a run with Guan Yu even with Athena.
empty veldt
rather than working around the special
quartz remnant
I got up to Hades.... then I die.
spiral tree
once I upgrade it to the max tho I think it will be an awesome weapon
spiral tree
lifesteal is OP by definition in roguelikes so it's hard to balance
empty veldt
Lifesteal is unsustainable in general, guan yu's lifesteal is one of the worst
spiral tree
but would it really be game breaking if they made regular attack gain life?
wait there are other lifesteal aspects?
empty veldt
Unless you get the fast spin hammer upgrade, you'll get punished more
Yeah, sword lifesteal
spiral tree
that doesnt count lol
empty veldt
and fist has lifesteal
spiral tree
cursed slash is amazing
empty veldt
you heal for like 3, get hit for 60
spiral tree
then dont get hit lol
hazy slate
that defeats the purpose of lifesteal
quartz remnant
So what you're saying is, don't rely on lifesteals: complement them but don't build around them.
spiral tree
I mean cursed slash kind of lets you face tank depending on RNG I guess
empty veldt
more like the argument is, you're getting lifesteal which barely does anything, sacrificing the opportunity cost of a potentially better hammer upgrade
and hammer upgrades could define runs
spiral tree
each hit gives 2 life and I usually get like 5 hits on hades before I have to evade
I think guan yu is really good too
just not as good as I thought lol
empty veldt
yeah
void zenith
Oof
empty veldt
Any source
For example if you take lc2, you only lifesteal 1 life per hit with sword lifesteal hammer upgrade
void fjord
are you guys sure? im pretty sure its been disproven to do so
empty veldt
I haven't joined the LC4/FO2 gang yet but
void zenith
The caveat that you lose most of your health for lifesteal is really the biggest issue against EM bosses
void fjord
@main osprey pls confirm
For example if you take lc2, you only lifesteal 1 life per hit with sword lifesteal hammer upgrade
void zenith
Cause if your life pool is limited to like 150 at best, you'll still die in 3-4 hits
150 at best
void fjord
lol guan yu is one of my fav 4th aspects
empty veldt
I've only done that twice @void fjord so i might miss saw but i'm pretty sure i'm only healing for 1
but i can be wrong
void fjord
hmm, dont rly remember tbh, but im pretty sure guan yu is unaffected
void zenith
I did one clear with Guan Yu on low heat, but I'm really not feeling like doing it again
main osprey
@void fjord I believe the hammer is also unaffected, not certain. Same goes for the heal on special kill hammer for Fists
empty veldt
welp no one's sure i guess
main osprey
somewhat busy now, otherwise I'd test
empty veldt
I can see guan yu confirmed unaffected
main osprey
GY is definitely unaffected
empty veldt
But it would be weird if LC affects boons that has to do with healing, but doesnt affect hammer. Would love a confirmation
void fjord
not really since hammers are different compared to boons
main osprey
anyway, gtg. working on a project
void fjord
gl
jolly osprey
Is it bad that I’m on around my 80th run before I tried a Hangover build?
robust anchor
no
crude salmon
Hangover builds are only worth if you full stack Dionysus, or find the Ares duo, or if you’re using Exagryph with either Zagreus or ||Lucifer|| aspect
jolly osprey
I’m doing Zag Exagryph now trying to unlock the 4th aspect
I have the infinite ammo + ricochet + attack does hangover
crude salmon
yeah either the Ares duo or “hangover can stack +x times” would make that real good
uh, Dionysus cast plus Dio legendary also works but that requires some big rng
void zenith
Hangover builds are great on bow or chaos shield
Cause hangover does more damage on special
And both of those have a way to stack it to the top in one move
lone lava
Ohhh I wondered why people always said it's good on chaos shield
void zenith
Mix with Ares or Aphrodite, too
crude salmon
I’d say it’s better for non-hydra bosses than Zeus unless you have the “jolted isnt remove on attack” boon
I wouldn’t run Hangover on the bow unless I was using Chiron aspect
void fjord
i actually stray from hangover on chiron
lone lava
So chaos aspect with dio special and aphro or ares attacks is what people tend to build?
void fjord
cause you proc max 5 (8 with aphro duo) at once, so its wasted potential
crude salmon
I wouldn’t go for it specifically, I usually go for Aphrodite or Artemis special but hangover wouldn’t be bad
void zenith
Chiron is better with just pure damage, but putting hangover on your Hera or Zag bow special is pretty good
Cause you can still shoot it point-blank
jolly osprey
Thoughts on the Dio/||Demeter|| duo cast?
crude salmon
Alright but then you’ve just removed the whole benefit of using a ranged weapon
dreamy vale
For a person that just unlocked it in the mirror, is it generally better to run Olympian Favor or Dark Foresight?
lone lava
Foresight is better I believe but I'm running favour since they're close enough and favour is better if you still care about darkness/gems/nectar
Can use foresight when you don't need that stuff anymore
robust anchor
it depends on weapon
jolly osprey
Nectar gives me a free level up so it’s what I usually aim for
And then mostly trade up for diamonds > ambrosia/blood
dreamy vale
I mean considering I just got it, I'm still using the materials I get from non golden Laurel rooms
crude salmon
Always run Foresight when using Exagryph though, gotta get those hammers
*Hestia aspect excluded
dreamy vale
Well I'm about to do an Exagryph run
void zenith
Foresight is better for finishing runs, generally. And with time, Favor just gets less useful when you unlock the last two mirror talents
wanton night
Tips on ||Guan Yu|| builds? I usually play quick damage Varatha so I hate this aspect
Like I stack doom and weakness or hangover usually
But that's not working out with this aspect
void zenith
I'm probably not the best person to speak on Guan Yu, since it's my least favorite aspect, but from what I remember playing with it, get all the centaur hearts you're offered, and hope for a hammer with a quick spin
proud void
Getting that quick spin helped a lot and use the dog collar
tight cypress
the special seems to be the only thing that's safe to use, the normal attack is painfully slow and the healing spin often gets you hit if you try to use it exclusively, though with hammer luck you can get some good spin upgrades
dreamy vale
So if I'm still looking to unlock stuff with keys and darkness it might be ideal to run Favor for now?
void zenith
Any stackable debuffs are also pretty nice. Dionysus or Demeter
proud void
The hammer that extends your reach also helps
crude salmon
Yeah, but keep Foresight if you want to focus on wins/heat advancement @dreamy vale
void zenith
Tbh, the most darkness you get will start coming from boss fights and Sisyphus after a certain point
void fjord
since ur just starting out @wanton night i suggest using athena attack for literally throwing a deflecting circle
also tip is dont charge up your spin
its better to throw many faster rather than doing higher dmg at once imo
void zenith
And it's not like you stop getting key/dark rooms with Foresight, either
void fjord
the triple dash strike with hunter dash is also pretty good
dreamy vale
I'll probably just run Favor for now and respec when I at least unlock the last 2 mirror skills
empty veldt
@void fjord Guan Yu and Sword hammer upgrade lifesteal works in LC. But the fists do not
dreamy vale
Also now that I'm starting to do heat runs, what renovations should I be prioritizing with my diamonds?
void zenith
Well, which ones aren't unlocked yet?
You'll eventually just get them all anyway, so just pick whatever feels better
Probably want to focus on the work orders section first before getting cosmetics or music, though
void fjord
i suggest getting the +1 to any boon from nectars since it makes deciding to choose nectars a lot more better while running ingame
dreamy vale
The only diamond I spent in on fishing
I think I'll just get the nectar one and then just pick what looks good. Was just wondering if there was any that people thought was particularly useful
onyx folio
the 5 max hp for darkness is also very useful
since darkness gives you hp back from mirror
void fjord
i really just ran prophecies and got most things together
onyx folio
so you’ll be going for darkness a decent amount anyway
royal meadow
question. if i get dion and dementer duo boon, i wont be able to get zeus and dion duo?
void fjord
it should still stack
void fjord
yea it usually happens when u have one duo relating to smtg already
though i might be wrong due to the recent patch
royal meadow
hmmm
i am taking the mirror effect which gives higher duo boon
not seeing zeus at all
void fjord
ye
small stirrup
Very bad @void fjord
void fjord
well rng is a big factor in the game
small stirrup
That isn't right you know?
untold vortex
@royal meadow please don't evade the swear filter
void fjord
small stirrup
Also happy birthday again
untold vortex
Merry Birthmas BoredHub 
void fjord
lol thanks agg1.0
unique vigil
I just got an insane boon offering
hunting blades, vicious cycle and freezing vortex
2 duos and a legendary all at once wtf
small stirrup
Have fun choosing 
unique vigil
void fjord
thats bad good rng
really good rng is when you do a trial of gods and get their legendaries
void zenith
Roles are in #bot-commands
And Hades spear works nicely with Aphrodite, for example, just for that extra damage buff
Or actually, just about anything other than Dionysus works well with Hades
gloomy kettle
do you mean the one that boosts general attack damage like most gods have? (except dionysus who offers hangover instead)
ironic, dionysus poison build got me through last time kek
crude salmon
Just avoid Ares and Dionysus with Hades spear yeah
void zenith
Well, it's just that hangover doesn't really take the advantage of the debuff Hades has
And yeah, Ares isn't great either
untold vortex
premium vintage and strong drink are pretty great boons from dio however
gloomy kettle
damn I'm just the king of irony, I went for both thinking they were the best options
crude salmon
Ares is really only good on ||Gilgamesh and Beowulf|| imo, and even then you need the doom modifying boons too
vital pendant
can you stack hunting blades and freezing vortex?
void zenith
Let me amend that: don't put those guys on your attack or special
Ares and Dio cast or dash are okay, and the other support boons they have are nice too
untold vortex
ares is incredible on fists in general
gloomy kettle
I just wish I could get hammers most efficiently
crude salmon
^ when I say “Ares is only good on” I’m meaning attack and special
untold vortex
yes, ares attack is incredible on fists in general
crude salmon
Non-hidden fists are fast enough that doom is just wasted damage
untold vortex
Merciful end says hi, it also makes fists a hit and run playstyle without it
crude salmon
which one is that again
gloomy kettle
Hello merciful's end 
crude salmon
If it’s a duo boon it’s irrelevant, cant rely on rare spawns
untold vortex
deflect effects immediately trigger doom
crude salmon
ye that’s the one I thought it was
untold vortex
it's definitely relevent
unique vigil
ME is super strong
gloomy kettle
though, when do I unlock the hidden aspects, already invested blood in all weapons and Achilles hasn't told me jack yet
crude salmon
relying on a rare spawn, that requires two specific gods chosen, doesn’t make something “good”
ME makes any doom build good except the slow hidden aspects
gloomy kettle
best duo boon is the one with demeter that makes all of your boons epic, don't @ me
turbid needle
That's Dio and Pos.
crude salmon
That’s Poseidon Dionysus
void zenith
Duo boons are pretty reliable to get in a run, though, tbh
untold vortex
Doom is still good without it on fists, it's a change in playstyle sure but it's not bad
gloomy kettle
deadass? one sec lemme recheck
crude salmon
Duo boons yes, a specific duo without neutering your build, rarely
crude salmon
Doom is still good without it on fists, it's a change in playstyle sure but it's not bad
Yeah I wouldn’t really call doom bad on anything, it’s always at least mediocre unlike Hangover and Chill
gloomy kettle
though to ask my question again, when will achilles tell me about the hidden aspects>
crude salmon
Mediocre is usually worth avoidance though
unique vigil
I always take the talent that gives you a higher chance for duos and legendaries
so it's not too bad
crude salmon
It’s the alternate for the “+X% chance for a boon to be epic”
unique vigil
you can take that or one that increases your chance for epics
yep
and the epic one is much higher
gloomy kettle
max is 20% innit
untold vortex
yep
gloomy kettle
40% for rares
untold vortex
it's personal preference, they're both great
void zenith
^
unique vigil
the duo and legendary one is 10% I'm pretty sure
void zenith
Take the duo/legendary if you're aiming for a specific build
gloomy kettle
I wish hermes's keepsake would comfirm you get hermes
void zenith
Take the epics for general consistency on runs
untold vortex
neither is better than the other, it depends on what you want out of a run
empty veldt
I like duo boons
crude salmon
*take the duo/legendary one to complete those two dumb prophecies cause they like never spawn otherwise
empty veldt
Cure Cancer?
last patrol
where is the screenshot channel?
empty veldt
latent elk
that's impressive
gusty parcel
World record is like 5 and a half minutes or something which sounds ludicrous.
latent elk
wow
void zenith
7:40 was it, the last time I checked?
gloomy kettle
sorry to bump in, is doom damage good for spear?
gusty parcel
It was on a mapped out seeded run with nemesis sword at some point iirc
Also don't think it was 1.0 release but honestly not sure.
@gloomy kettle Depends. If you're playing it safe or have stacking doom it's generally fine.
crude salmon
doom is okay for spear if you’re focusing attack, you can grab doom special to get extra burst occasionally (works the other way around too but a bit less effective) @gloomy kettle
stiff flume
are there any rules for these speedruns? i assume theyre 0 heat full mirror upgrades?
spiral tree
are there any other aspects besides guan yu that grant life steal?
gusty parcel
not innately
stiff flume
ty
gusty parcel
Sword has a hammer that gives it on attack. Fists has one for the specials kills
livid comet
failing at NG runs again woo
empty veldt
Sword hammer upgrade and fists hammer upgrade
Also you dont lifesteal with your sword dash attacks, that makes it even more less desireable
spiral tree
sword doesnt have aspect tho
so it's not guranteed
but cursed slash is amazing
easily one of the best upgrades in the game IMO
wait
fists 4th aspect is life steal too??
empty veldt
i know a lot of people who disagree, including myself but game's pretty subjective
crude salmon
fist 4th aspect is the opposite of lifesteal
empty veldt
Fist hidden aspect makes enemies hit harder but also take more damage, while dealing burst at the end
your moveset is also different, slower and heavier
crude salmon
also fist hammer upgrade for lifesteal is honestly the worst hammer in the game
empty veldt
Repulse Shot is worst. at least that does something. Repulse shot literallyuseless
empty veldt
the one that does a small blast wave around the player using Aspect of Rama
stiff flume
the fist hidden aspect is amazing until you get to empowered hades in my experience
because if you buff that dude
boy oh boy
and if you have move/attackspeed on him as well
empty veldt
FO different beast entirely
fair plinth
I tried running the attack speed buff heat
honestly it was completely fine, except on hades
spiral tree
oh wow
crude salmon
Oh yeah the Rama thing is hot garbage
fair plinth
goddamn, faster attack speed on him makes the DPS windows so small
crude salmon
I’d still take it over the healy fist though honestly
empty veldt
Well heal fist also gets affected by LC, so its hot garbage as well
fair plinth
rama thing?
fair plinth
ah, zero damage blast wave
some blast xD
when I see the name "blast wave" I think beirut
crude salmon
I’d say my three least favorite hammers that I remember rn are the fist heal, the charge special for the shield, and ferocious guard for the shield
hearty elbow
Repulse Shot, Charged Volley on Rama (is that still a thing? Don't think I've seen it yet in 1.0), Seeking Fire, most of the Sword Hammers, most of the Shield hammers, probably a couple of the Malphon special hammers, there are like 80 of them
Sniper Shot blegh
crude salmon
I like most of the hammers for Stygius, Veratha, and Exagryph; There are a few for Malphon and Coronacht I don’t like; and I don’t like many of the Aegis hammers
I like less of the bow hammers when I’m not using Chiron
reef galleon
Even Zeus on special and a Hammer for additional bounces didn't make 1.0 chaos shield fun to use
crude salmon
I’m really not too big a fan of the triple attack hammers as well (especially the one for ||Aspect of Lucifer||)
reef galleon
Are those the ones that allow you to shoot in three directions simultaneously?
empty veldt
they're still ok, not the best but definitely not the worst
stoic thicket
Triple Shot on Rama can be pretty awesome. It has a wide wave shot anyway, you can cover a lot of room with that.
empty veldt
yeah twin and triple shot on rama's the way to go i feel
jolly osprey
What counts as “high ||heat||”?
stoic thicket
Depends a bit on the player in question.
For me it's anything above 20, common consensus is 32 and above, and then there's the crazies who don't consider anything below 40 high.
jolly osprey
Okay. I’m approaching the 10 mark with some weapons, so I was just wondering what was the cutoff
stoic thicket
It can be incredibly brutal if properly set up.
void fjord
@jolly osprey if im not mistaken it should be 20
jolly osprey
Cool cool cool
void fjord
its rly good for rooms with a bunch of enemy and raw dmg
empty veldt
For me it's anything above 20, common consensus is 32 and above, and then there's the crazies who don't consider anything below 40 high.
@stoic thicket @jolly osprey this is the general consensus. 20 is definitely where things get difficult. 32 is really pushing yourself. 32 is also the last defined goal the game gives you
I mean its still relative, the "crazies" that don't consider 40 below is because they dont find anything below 40 difficult anymore
so from their perspective, it makes sense
stoic thicket
Yeah, I know. Not really my style though, I've paid my dues and completed a 32, and I'm done with the high heat stuff. I do get the appeal though.
empty veldt
point being 20 already offers plenty of mechanics checks that you can be proud off by completing, especially with EM4
Yeah, I know. Not really my style though, I've paid my dues and completed a 32, and I'm done with the high heat stuff. I do get the appeal though.
@stoic thicket yeah i agree with you, i'm hesitant pushing above 32
void fjord
high heat is brutal, but there's a good sense of accomplishment after trying for so hard
spiral tree
I'm on high heat 3 with guan yu and this is tough =/
stoic thicket
I know, I know. I've seen enough VoDs from Haelian and people and the rush they get when it finally works out. I do get the appeal. Just really not my thing.
empty veldt
I'm on high heat 3 with guan yu and this is tough =/
@spiral tree yeah so the reason why lifesteal is not very popular its just that high heat is so punishing to you that you having a lower health puts far too much risk
empty veldt
Yes
spiral tree
i am using heat 3 and have guan upgrade to take 65%
and its tough
but its working
hit n run is good
also guan yu fixes what I thought was a design flaw in hades
empty veldt
With Heightened Security, the traps in Satyr maps, and the Urns in the final boss fight basically one shots you with reduce health
spiral tree
but it was intentional all along
so
with spin attack after it releases and you hold the y button on switch it does NOT charge the next spin
but with guan yu it does
so it was intentional
spin attack not charging auto by keeping button pressed makes it take longer to charge
empty veldt
Also, there will be a point where you take Tight Deadline Heat, a wasted charge attack with guan yu hurts not only in health but also time
spiral tree
but guan yu shortens charge time
by letting you hold the button down
yeah
guan yu is NOT fast weapon
thantos KILLED me in the challenge room
he killed like twice as many enemies as me
you are not beating thanatos in kills with guan yu
LOL
empty veldt
which is why, its hard relying on the charge spin unless you get the faster charge spin hammer upgrade
hence, relying on special is more reliable
spiral tree
and I had spin charge time upgrade too!
empty veldt
and main attack guan yu is very wonky
spiral tree
still tho
spear is prob my favorite weapon
maybe blade too
cursed slash is amazing
top 3 upgrade IMO
its def better than guan yu
turbid needle
try a special build with gy then
spiral tree
special?
turbid needle
yeah
stoic thicket
Building GY around the attack or the spin is asking for pain.
spiral tree
its useless
stoic thicket
Are you kidding?
spiral tree
spin is good with charge time upgrade
turbid needle
its fast and pierces
empty veldt
Like you need to try it at higher levels of heat to understand why anything but the special is really really punishing
empty veldt
difficulty from heat is not linear
spiral tree
when I get there
stoic thicket
For a throw the hitbox is gigantic.
spiral tree
I did blade heat 4
and heat 3 with achiless aspect
hopefully beating these satyr rooms with heat 3 guan
empty veldt
actually
try beating Extreme measures, cause that changes things differently already, especially the Theseus and Asterius and Final boss
Even without "high heat" but with EM3-4, guan yu main attack and spin already suffers against the bosses @spiral tree
spiral tree
extreme measures 2 is all I tried so far
spiral tree
damn
curse of drowning
is sooo good
especially with blade rift dash boon
lol guan yu is really good in satyr rooms
they so small
it bounces and gets multiple hits
empty veldt
If u like cast, then achilles is the best way to go
spiral tree
it may be slow speed wise but damage on gy spin is really good
empty veldt
Also if you take the Benefits Package condition, especially Benefits Package 2, room encounters will wreck you if you try to use the spin
empty veldt
At least use Aphro and Athena on Guan Yu, that way you're not taking as much damage
empty veldt
ares doesnt really help survivability haha
Or the old reliable poseidon call can turn a run to a smooth one
hearty elbow
To be fair, the spin itself barely gives life. Not getting hit is the best heal on GY, and the special accomplishes that way better
spiral tree
50+ extra life without keepsake and 20% damage reduction?!
wtf
that sounds really good
empty veldt
To be fair, the spin itself barely gives life. Not getting hit is the best heal on GY, and the special accomplishes that way better
@hearty elbow we've said that already to him
hearty elbow
womp womp
hearty elbow
It's comparing some serious apples and oranges
spiral tree
but that range
and this damage!
damn
ok
blade is still my favorite lol
and the special
it looks so cool
empty veldt
Arthur's neat
empty veldt
Slow attack = more exposure to getting hit
hearty elbow
Lol, I'm not arguing that Excalibur isn't sick to play, and feels great. It is those things. But the comparisons against GY are pretty hard to make
spiral tree
what!
empty veldt
yes
Its basically to balance your slower attack means that you're a lot more exposed
the swing is very very slow
spiral tree
olive badge
I mean you can dash between swings
hearty elbow
You will probably find what many have: Excalibur can completely trivialize low heat play
olive badge
Aaaaand high heat
hearty elbow
Nope lol
olive badge
I am not gonna lie
some heat makes it feels like crap
like the damage nullification heat
2 hit null
hearty elbow
Excalibur 40 heat is no joke.
empty veldt
Damage Control makes Exalibur painful
olive badge
but with it I am more confident in taking enemies' damage heat
yeah
damage control makes excalibur kinda crap
empty veldt
Benefits package as well
olive badge
that too
hearty elbow
The issue is once you start taking Forced Overtime and Hard Labor, Excalibur's upsides start becoming irrelevant and its weaknesses get amplified
spiral tree
I'm generally really good at most video games I play tons of roguelikes no issue I enjoy challenging stresful games but hades is a different animal this game has brought me to my knees lol
hearty elbow
Oh sure, up to around 32-ish, Excalibur wrecks
As long as you can dodge FO, HL, and DC, you're golden
spiral tree
I feel I get too greedy with attacking bosses before I have to evade
olive badge
up to 30-ish i'd say Excalibur is pretty good
like if you pick EM4 and TD3
that's free 16 heat
jolly osprey
I find Hades a lot easier than Dead Cells if you have rogue-lite experience
olive badge
and that's my standard set to play actually
hearty elbow
I find Hades a lot easier than Dead Cells if you have rogue-lite experience
@jolly osprey I kind of agree. Hades' skill ceiling is a lot higher though
But the low heat play is a lot easier than Dead Cells'
spiral tree
welp time for heat 4 and to try out excalibur
olive badge
it's completely free
just pick tight deadline 2 if you're not confident
it's free 5 heat
empty veldt
TD3 on its own is free. TD3 with a lot of stuff gets tough
olive badge
yeepppp
TD3 with more enemies and more HP can get rough
but most often when you don't take anything else but EM and TD
empty veldt
With DC and BP and MM, all kills time
olive badge
it's free real estate
my default setting used to be FO2, TD2 and EM3
but I can't handle EM4 on FO2
it's pain
pure pain
hearty elbow
Yeah, I'm grinding the post-game on my PC save so I can temp save practice FO2 EM4
It is brutal
empty veldt
Me: Being satisfied with 32
Rama: Go higher dude, take FO2 and LC4
Me: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hearty elbow
Lmao
olive badge
especially when you take the heat that upgrades them
hearty elbow
Ledger is fine by the way. Rama is my child's name
olive badge
the giant head
jolly osprey
Hades summoning chariots was a pain
olive badge
and the giant butterfly ball
empty veldt
the worst feeling (but not the worst) is tombstones/butterfly killing your god damn Acorn charges with 3 freakin damage
spiral tree
goodnight lol
spiral tree
also this game is killing my life
hearty elbow
At least Butterflies feel slightly kind of your fault. Theseus drive by Acorn charge genocides feel worse.
spiral tree
I think about my next run when I'm at work haha
brisk island
I'm right now really curious, Chaos legendary is exceptionally rare. Managed visit three times it with +40%(2x20%) rare or better boons 
Might problem that is i didn't took alternative mirror on Duo & Legendary boons drop rate, btw this particular mirror buff sucks.
empty veldt
@spiral tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2fe2pauer4 Haelian just made a guide for the swords since you're gonna try out Arthur
spiral tree
hades is super addicting I haven't been been this obsessed with a game in a long time
blade and spear def my favorite weapon
but man I wanted gy sooo badly
and now that I have it
it is not what I was expecting at all
olive badge
that being said
hearty elbow
olive badge
I never tried Spear 4th aspect special build
spiral tree
I assumed the regular attack gave you life lol
olive badge
until someone told me about that
spiral tree
if it did than guan yu would be OP
olive badge
cuz in my head it was like
oh wow charge attack heal and has high damage
count me in
olive badge
then I realize how bunker is Guan Yu special build
spiral tree
bunker?
empty veldt
bonkers
olive badge
when I skewered both theseus and asterius for 2k crit
for one throw
it was... an experience
short one
empty veldt
laughs in 5K Rama Crit
empty veldt
Twin Shot =>This is great
Asterius Beyblade => Hello there
olive badge
I'd take harder hitting beyblade but longer interval
that whatever the hell it is now
hearty elbow
GY definitely doesn't need buffs. The spin side of the aspect could use some love though
hearty elbow
Maybe make it last a little longer, but hit a little slower but much harder
olive badge
honestly the worst part about EM4 is phase 1
hearty elbow
To nerf the sustain but make it actually... kill stuff
olive badge
I feel like phase 2 and phase 3 is easier
empty veldt
I can see lifesteal being good in pure LC4 with no other modifiers tho
but with added stuff.... ehhhh
empty veldt
LC2 is really still fine
hearty elbow
It's a misconception. Stubborn Defiance lets you make a LOT more mistakes in a single run than Death Defiance
Just that you can't make so many mistakes in 1 encounter, particularly bosses
olive badge
also do you guys take dark regen or Cthonic
hearty elbow
Dark Regen
hearty elbow
Even besides that, Infernal Troves and buying Darkness from wells/shops, and Darkness rooms sets it over
But yeah with the Darkness bounties it's a landslide
olive badge
I don't ever pick tropes rip
tight deadline on my ass
either that or I forgot they exist
hearty elbow
TD3 cuts off Erebus and troves, which is a real cost
empty veldt
Erebus kills my time
analog sail
Please remember that||EM4 phase 3 is spoilers||
olive badge
sorry bout that
hearty elbow
||EM4 phase 2.75 is also spoilers lol||
olive badge
honestly
empty veldt
||EM4 phase 2.75 is also spoilers lol||
@hearty elbow which one is that
olive badge
I find new TD3 easier than old TD2
void fjord
also please put what its supposed to be spoiling abt rite in front of the tag
hearty elbow
||Amgury doggo go bonk||
olive badge
@hearty elbow which one is that
@empty veldt ||fast doggo||
void fjord
||woof||
empty veldt
Ah yes, ||good dogo||
analog sail
I don't know, finishing a run in 20 minutes is hard sometimes
hearty elbow
new TD3 is more whack tbf
olive badge
then run out of time in elysium
elysium is SOOOO much of a timesink
shield dude
then mid boss asterius
and the giant map with one god-knows-where flamewheel or archer
olive badge
honestly I am just a casual so I don't do above 20 runs that often
I only do 20 now that they don't give anything above it
so I am speaking from low heat experience
hearty elbow
If you're doing TD3 runs you can only be so casual. That's pretty efficient no matter how you cut it
olive badge
talking about time sink, the ||shopkeeper fight|| is also one
analog sail
I haven't even maxed out bounties and I still don't wanna go TD3 all the time
hearty elbow
I'm 400 hours in and I still haven't maxed bounties or blood lol
olive badge
my average is 17 mins now
hearty elbow
(I stopped trying for it a long while ago tbf)
olive badge
mine is 132 hours
also I didn't think people would have that much issue with TD3 but with that being said
I really abuse the time saving tricks I learned
like pausing to see the reward etc
hearty elbow
On both sides, TD3 is a casual nightmare, and for srs business players, it's a nightmare at high heat too
empty veldt
I can do TD3 without any other contracts
i dont wanna risk it with additional contracts
olive badge
I play on TD3 and EM3-4 by default
empty veldt
Cause it hurts me if i'm doing well and lose because of time trying to achieve higher levels of heat
I play on TD3 and EM3-4 by default
@olive badge this is fine
analog sail
I mean I have FO2 on at all times but I'll need EM eventually for heat
empty veldt
Salt needs to be maintained at a manageable levels ahahaha
olive badge
HS is fine for regular trap