@lapis matrix
#h1-builds-and-combat
lapis matrix
Chaos and Poseidon then?
half crater
so like, did you just not spend any money at all or what
main osprey
Pretty much. The entire run was built with Hoarding Slash in mind
half crater
#goal
main osprey
Yeah
half crater
nah that's pretty impressive tho
main osprey
Eventually I'm gonna go for something like 7k
But that'll probably require routing
So maybe not
half crater
do it
now i'm just thinking about routed resource runs lmao
how much darkness could you possibly get
half crater
nice
main osprey
Over +300% from Chaos before I left Tartarus
onyx folio
sucks that you cant really avoid taking money in fights
funny number% isnt really feasible
main osprey
Lol
onyx folio
pog
worn citrus
When going for a dedicated build, do you guys generally use the keepsakes to force gods to show up, and/or do you rely on rerolls?
main osprey
Both
worn citrus
Fixed 😛
main osprey
Lol
onyx folio
i go for money keepsake at beginning then the guaranteed boon ones for 2nd and 3rd area then myrmiddons
i need a damage mitigation one for last area because im bad at video games
half crater
if you want damage mitigation, why not go acorn?
onyx folio
i get hit a lot
half crater
spearpoint, then?
onyx folio
not maxed yet
worn citrus
Also, there are like 2 legendary boons I would like for the build, but I'm not sure about changing the epic chance one from the mirror to the legendary chance one since there would be a higher chance of common boons (if I understand correctly). Am I right in thinking that it might be better to get a higher chance of my basic build-defining boons to be epic?
onyx folio
personally i found it more useful to have nearly everything epic then have a slight chance of getting specific rarer ones
but if youre fishing for something like merciful end its probably worth the tradeoff
brittle wind
It's hard to get legendary anyway... but duo boons is pretty easy to obtain and some of them are game changer
half crater
i'm always fishing for something like merciful end
god's legacy all the way for me
honestly as far as i'm concerned, the legendaries/duos are the basic, build defining boons lol
onyx folio
personally its like... if i get athena dash, zeus call and aphro/artemis for the others im good
the duos and stuff are just icing
worn citrus
I thought duo boon had the same "drop rate" as legendary??
onyx folio
i definitely feel like duos are waaaaaaaay easier if you fulfil the requirement
feels like pure rng for legendaries
onyx folio
lmao same
worn citrus
Like Zeus going "I'll grant you my greatest power..."
And then it's just blue/commons
onyx folio
hard baited
worn citrus
😠
untold vortex
Zeus was just having a blue day (or night)
worn citrus
I'm not sure Dionysus' drinking therapy is healthy
onyx folio
if you were a weak lowly mortal with a garbage liver
worn citrus
Anyway, I've heard Achilles aspect for spear is good for cast builds. I've refrained from getting the aspect so far, but how is the charge helpful for casts?
Poseidon aspect for sword seems way more straightforward as the cast build choice for the +50% alone
fierce thicket
pretty sure achilles goes above 50%
ebon tinsel
achillies is 150%
onyx folio
as he was in life
worn citrus
Ooh, I can't believe I somehow missed the whole bonus damage going that high
Whoops
Hades appears to have the same bonus damage after a spin attack, though
onyx folio
oh nvm lol im dumb
fair plinth
oooo
onyx folio
oooo
fair plinth
hoarding slash + level 2 convenience fee is quite the synergy
I pretty much completely forego the shop and end up with just shy of 3k obols
to quote the flex seal ad
"that's a lotta damage!"
worn citrus
Coulda done that without convenience fee though. How does it help?
fair plinth
its free heat estate
worn citrus
Well, I'm convinced
solid cairn
CF also means you’re missing out on less stuff in the shop, more of a psychological upside
Does hoarding slash just add the damage on top of it
robust anchor
hoarding adds itself after any other multipliers
solid cairn
So if you’re lucky enough to get hoarding and flurry slash, that could be an interesting combo
fair plinth
it would be incredibly OP if the hoarding slash 140+ bonus damage gets buffed by a +110% multiplier and another chaos +77% multiplier 😛
you'd be backstabbing for almost 1k non-crits
solid cairn
Oh haelian did a vid on flurry slash hoarding
fair plinth
is there a resource for the map variations? In some vids I see them discussing the potential spawns when debating which room to choose
stoic garnet
what are the hardest/easiest pacts of punishment? I feel like enemy damage, lower healing, enemy attack speed, and EM4 are the hardest and easiest probably shop price, EM3, -3 mirror, 9-7 minute zones, rest are in between
barren otter
heightened security can singlehandedly destroy your run at the final boss, because the pots do 150 damage
barren otter
cause they're considered trap damage
robust anchor
yep the pots count as trap dmg
onyx folio
thabnks nintendo
cunning urchin
Pacts in isolation are very different from pacts in combination.
fair plinth
take an epic athena buff
stoic garnet
im trying to figure out the easiest 32 pact combination
cunning urchin
And pact difficulty depends a lot on aspect and skill level.
stoic garnet
i dont think i can get away with 5 minute zone
too much hp and enemies in the beginning
or EM4
dont think im good enough for that barely won with EM4 by itself but its a juicy 4 points
cunning urchin
Sounds like you have some ideas for what combos are the worst for you.
stoic garnet
yeah i dont have enough for 32 though im at like 26 where i think i can win
cunning urchin
Maybe you can post a screenshot of your current combo in #h1-high-heat-strategies. Also what aspect and build you're planning to use.
32 discussion is more suited to that channel.
stoic garnet
okie thanks i didnt see that channel
kindred schooner
anyone have any advice for mirror builds for the|| Guan Yu|| aspect?|| I feel like this is one of the few cases where stubborn defiance is good since your health is reduced, but other than that i'm not sure what to take. I've only tried one run with it and got absolutely bodied at Theseus||
wicked notch
Death Defiance is still better imo. Playing good with Death Defiance rewards you with three lives. Stubborn gives you one no matter what.
limber pine
DD is fine, just need to get more health upgrades and max it out at level 5 to reduce the health hit
kindred schooner
Oh cool I didn't realize that's what got upgraded, might wait until I have the blood to max it out then
stoic thicket
Has anyone else lately noticed Blade Dash dealing a truckload of damage, even without the legendary?
wicked notch
I rarely take Blade Dash. I'm a Divine Dash simp
@kindred schooner Other talents I'd consider are High Confidence, Stygian Soul, and of course Boiling blood.
stoic thicket
I usually avoid it like the plague, I'm team Splash Dash, but in the last run I kinda had to take it as it was the only reasonable thing Ares had and I was surprised how much damage it did.
solid cairn
there is a tier list of hardest and easiest pacts I have downloaded somewhere, but it's on my desktip and I only have my laptop now @stoic garnet
stoic thicket
Also how well it appears to scale with poms.
solid cairn
from what I remember, benefits package can be basically free depending on the weapon
tight deadline 2 is free
solid cairn
I mean damage control
stoic thicket
That one yes.
solid cairn
the difference between TD 1-2 and 3 is massive
untold vortex
damage control isn't free either, especially on slower hitting weapons
solid cairn
I said depending on weapon
stoic thicket
With the Rail DC is essentially free. With Arthur it's masochism.
fluid scaffold
TIL the ||charon|| fight doesn't scale with level at all
wicked notch
What are some easy pacts to take for early heat levels?
worn citrus
Depends on the weapon, imo
wicked notch
Any universal ones?
worn citrus
For sure, I just don't know as well
wicked notch
Oh okay
worn citrus
Lemme think about it (or someone else can respond)
half crater
TD1 is pretty easy
worn citrus
I think that heightened security is pretty easy, except for redacted's urns
half crater
redacted's urns are enough reason by themselves imho
worn citrus
If you DO have a fast weapon though, the modifier that gives enemy immunity to first something hits is neat for easy heat
wicked notch
something like rail or fists?
half crater
yeah DC1 on fists or rail isn't too bad
worn citrus
Unless Hestia
half crater
dunno if i'd go for it first
kindred schooner
yeah the immunity to first hit is easy, heightened security is p easy.I also like the one that buffs the first boss, i don't remember what it's called
half crater
yeah avoid it like the plague on hestia
worn citrus
Extreme Measures 1 is pretty easy too
kindred schooner
makes the first boss a decent amount harder but i've still never really ahd any trouble with it
worn citrus
Since you're generally not in a pinch from random encounters in tartarus
And doesn't make the run any harder after that
half crater
i'd have to say the easiest is probably TD1 for most people tho
kindred schooner
i've never done TD, does it pause in like chill areas
half crater
unless you know your run is gonna be longer than 36 mins, its free heat
worn citrus
That's fair. I just hate being rushed, even if I have plenty of time
kindred schooner
or do you have to zoom through shops and stuff too
worn citrus
I stress out for no reason
worn citrus
I love me some exams because of this fact
kindred schooner
i thought it was 27 mins for some reason, is that level 3?
half crater
TD pauses when choosing boons and in thanatos fights
you're probably thinking of level 2, which is 28
level 3 is 20
kindred schooner
yikes
half crater
yeah it doesn't pause in shops, but it does pause if you open the pause menu
kindred schooner
20 sounds brutal
half crater
so most people just hit pause in shops while they decide
kindred schooner
right that makes sense
half crater
also you can use it if you want a second to think about what door to take
yeah 20 is rough
kindred schooner
sweet, my average clear is already around 28 so that doesn't seem too bad but 20 seems just
insane
half crater
i can barely get sub 20 if i really work for it
unkempt pagoda
20 is very tight, which is odd considering how free TD1+2 are
half crater
so i basically can't turn on TD3 unless i have pretty much no other heat
they're different levels of free for different people lol
kindred schooner
yeah TD 1 seems like FREE free
half crater
i can't run even TD1 on too much heat; just got a 32 clear which was 40 mins lol
kindred schooner
TD2 seems like relatively free
oh yeah that's fair with a bunch of other heat i could see that being really hard
i'm still chilling here in "i'm proud of my 2 heat clear" land so
half crater
yeah it isn't too bad without other stuff
tidal hawk
2 heat clear kekw
chrome geyser
TD2 was not free before the extra time started adding up
but yeah; the bonus time from asphodel and tartarus helps make TD2 free
grand junco
Is there anything special that needs to be down before purchasing the twin fists? In unlocked the previous 4 weapons but the spot where the twin fists should be is empty
chrome geyser
i would check the integrity of the game files
unkempt pagoda
have you done a run since unlocking the spear
grand junco
Yes I've done a run with all except the shield. In the middle of one with that now
kindred schooner
if it doesn't unlock after that it's probably a bug
unkempt pagoda
i'm saying that have you done any run at all since you last unlocked the spear
cause after you unlock a weapon and come back to the house after dying/winning, the next weapon should be in its spot
grand junco
Yes @unkempt pagoda I've done multiple. Must be a bug
unkempt pagoda
yeah probably, i'd f10 if they don't appear when you come back
worn citrus
Ok so
What the hell do I do if I get a boon I like at the start... But the rarity is common? The only way to get a better rarity one of the same is to trade it away and get lucky, or get lucky with Eurudyce?
cunning urchin
Common is fine.
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's not a bad idea of getting in the mentality of just going with the flow and working with what you're got. The game isn't designed to require rare and epic boons to win
glass rapids
Until...
cunning urchin
Until? Pretty sure we have some 40+ Heat clears with common Attack or Special.
glass rapids
Really? Thats cool
The ones I've seen all had epic boons to start
It's of course preferable to have epic but yeah I guess many have done unseeded
toxic terrace
You can also fish for Demeter to get the one that resets all your boons to common but increases rarity every 3 encounters
hearty elbow
What ends up happening at high (high) heat is that you seed for a hammer and just kind of deal with whatever happens after that. With RI1 you're probably getting common boons from then on out.
sturdy vine
does anyone else have the problem of not using certain mechanics?
glass rapids
For the fists I'd assume the starting boon is more important than the hammer
sturdy vine
I almost never cast and I think I've only used my companions with Asterius and THeseus
and I've been playing for like 2 years by now haha
glass rapids
I forget to use my companions often
hearty elbow
does anyone else have the problem of not using certain mechanics?
@sturdy vine Yeah, it's pretty normal. The general advice is "do what works until it doesn't." So if you notice you needing more damage or something, at least it's relatively clear from whence you could summon it from.
errant narwhal
i only recently upgraded all my companions at once to level 5, and i keep forgetting that i have more than one charge on them... i keep "saving" it and end up not using all 5 charges
worn citrus
Gimme 5 charges to use against redacted please and thank you
sturdy vine
@hearty elbow Yeah, i've managed to beat 16 heat with Aegis and Stygius
I am starting again though, and in Hell Mode
so I might start using my companions as I obtain them
stuck bough
What booms are recommended for Rama special?
analog sail
Dio, Demeter, Ares
gloomy kettle
what's the best aspect for each weapon (excluding secret ones for now because I haven't unlocked any yet)
analog sail
Best is whatever feels better to you tbh
wraith spruce
It's a matter of opinion...but I really like the Talos Fists
gloomy kettle
TAAAALOOOOOS
analog sail
For example, I much prefer Demeter fist to Talos
wraith spruce
I like the idea of Demeter fist but it seems like I'll need to invest a lot more blood before they're strong.
Talos works well with just one point to unlock it
analog sail
Sword I would suggest Nemesis,
Spear would be Hades,
Shield Zeus if you don't have blood,
Bow any, really, they're all good
Rail it really depends on what you prefer
empty veldt
Crit builds with rama is viable right? Artemis on attack, Aphro on special
hearty elbow
I mean, one way of looking at it is that if you aren't having issues surviving, Demeter Level 2 is kind of just better than Zag Level 5 😛
@empty veldt Yes
split solstice
um guys i know this isnt related to high heat runs
but why can't i give nectar to hades, i got the end credit scene,i thought after that i'll be able to
but nope
analog sail
I would suggest Dio on special, but you do you
empty veldt
@split solstice you should ask in #h1-story-discussion
empty veldt
@split solstice ||but try to just keep talking to them and especially persephone. THere will be a dialogue that unlocks Hades' hearts further||
split solstice
ah, ok
empty veldt
It wasnt instant for me either, just keep talking to them. Thats usually the solution for any conversation problems. Just keep talking to them lol and it'll eventually come up
split solstice
did it take you guys a while to unlock the 4th weapon variants, i only have the spear
analog sail
If in doubt, do more runs
hearty elbow
The earlier on you are and the faster you clear through content successfully, the sequencing and prioritization of conversations can get a bit wonky, and you could be waiting a while to get a quest progressing line. Just keep at it.
empty veldt
You unlock the spear first, then you can unlock everything else after investing 5 blood into the weapon
analog sail
Refer to my previous statement for weapon unlocks
hearty elbow
E.g. It took me 40ish runs on my Hell Mode save for Achilles to politely inform me of the Infernal Arms' existence.
split solstice
yeah, i get that it's drip feeding the story and game aspects after every run, honestly i hate that because i don't like spending too much time on games, but damn is this game fun
analog sail
Welcome to roguelikes, it takes time to progress
empty veldt
Is it just me or does Dio' hangover doesnt do that much damage unless on call?
inland meadow
so I am trying for crystal beam build and just got hermes wondering about what I should choose... screenshot for specifics and context of position in run https://gyazo.com/23b11addc3cf43bd2672d88290fe9ce7
either side hustle or auto reload
glass rapids
Is it just me or does Dio' hangover doesnt do that much damage unless on call?
It needs duos or just a damage increase like from eris, butterfly etc
inland meadow
^ it's duo with ares is kinda insane
daring cargo
E.g. It took me 40ish runs on my Hell Mode save for Achilles to politely inform me of the Infernal Arms' existence.
@hearty elbow tell me about it. I finished his companion quest and I’ve been waiting to get him in a run so I can finish finish it if that makes sense. 12 runs in. Nope.
calm oyster
man i just have such a hard time with melee weapons
bow shield and rail im good with
fists, sword, i struggle
and the spear i've barely ever used
Specifically on the ||Hades|| fight
I just can't seem to avoid taking damage
His spin attacks just dumpster me
analog sail
You need to work on that dodge timing for the spin
calm oyster
To use the iframes instead of actually getting out of the way?
empty veldt
Aren't u suppose to mark the final boss as spoiler? @calm oyster
calm oyster
spoilers allowed in this channel
analog sail
Usually I try to dodge twice behind him and I manage to avoid it
calm oyster
according to the description
hearty elbow
We politely still spoiler tag 1.0 endgame stuff for the time being though.
empty veldt
huh ok
calm oyster
Ok, fair enough
hearty elbow
||Keepsakes, Gilgamesh and EM4 discussion etc.||
calm oyster
oo ya that stuff
cunning urchin
@inland meadow Auto Reload every time if you're doing a cast build with Stygian Soul.
crude sky
I always skipped shops before the boss and just realized ||Charon|| was a possibility. Is it worth routing through them for that possibility, or is that too improbable and risky to take into consideration?
hearty elbow
Possibility of... what
crude salmon
The || Charon fight || is usually not worth doing unless you’re trying to buy a diamond or titan blood in the temple
inland meadow
what do you mean ||"charon"|| was a possibility
crude sky
What Coffee mentioned
inland meadow
that fight only shows up in the middle of floors not at the end
crude salmon
That too
hearty elbow
Oh, for the fight? No, people typically skip it even at high heat. You do it to send a message lol, or because RNGsus has blessed you mightily that early on.
crude sky
Gotcha, that fight would be awful with time constraints
crude salmon
I usually do it cause I’m still working around 2-5 heat depending on weapon so it’s still fine to do and I’m usually saving for titan blood
fair plinth
anyone mind explaining what Sigil of the dead (hades keepsake) does? What does invisibility entail?
hearty elbow
Might want to spoiler that post :3
jaunty solar
noone targets you basically
jolly osprey
I don’t know what happened with my last run, but I bought everything at the final Charon shop and still had 900+ left over
jaunty solar
yea spoiler it we spoiler tag 1.0 content for now
hearty elbow
||I think you become intangible as well? As in your can't get hit. But I haven't used it much at all. It breaks when you make an offensive action, just like Dad's||
jaunty solar
also, i hit splitting bolt on a lightning strike Lucifer run lmao
hearty elbow
Should've done it on Eris for maximum destruction
crude salmon
@fair plinth || 1 bar is invisible until you attack, full call is invisible for 5 seconds but you can attack and deal bonus damage ||
hearty elbow
Oh, didn't know that, that's an upside.
crude salmon
You attack, not when attacked*
hearty elbow
How much bonus?
unkempt pagoda
at max is +100%
orchid plinth
any recommendations for what god to start with for zeus shield
hearty elbow
Athena or Ares
unkempt pagoda
or zeus
hearty elbow
For Curse of Pain/Divine Strike or Divine Dash
orchid plinth
ok thanks
robust anchor
do boon multipliers apply on the hestia shot
crude salmon
Dionysus special can also do some work with Zeus shield
do boon multipliers apply on the hestia shot
Yes
robust anchor
feelsgoodman
crude salmon
Big sniper time
orchid plinth
well i got my first duo boon... its kinda lame though, anything i can do with backstab damage from casts?
jaunty solar
it is good if you are running cast builds
crude salmon
the wording on that duo is very odd, i honestly have no clue what it actually does
orchid plinth
what would be a good cast to aim for?
i currently have aphro and athena but im at checkpoint so i could equip a keepsake
jaunty solar
there is two casts good enough to build around them imo, demeter and ares
jaunty solar
but both of those casts are not good if you are not building around them
orchid plinth
ive honestly never done a cast build, tbh i kinda forget it exists sometimes
jaunty solar
tho if demeter is generous enough to give you the boon that makes her cast inflict chill her cast can be good with 2 boons total
crude salmon
yeah with the wording i didn't know if it was "casts can backstab" or "any backstab bonuses you have are applied to all casts"
turbid needle
Your Cast gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind. "
it straight up adds ur backstab bonus to all cast hits
crude salmon
see now i've gotten two different responses, so its not just confusing me
orchid plinth
ok now this build is getting really confusing, i got a duo with demeter now that makes the ice beams fire at me
ok no this is just insane cheese, i have boon that makes cast get bonus from back and the ice beams shoot at me so i can just sit with my shield up while the beams blast them in the back
tall yarrow
That’s great with shield since you can bull rush to get in position after you cast
turbid needle
So how do you get the most out of the spear?
The spin attacks tend to be way too slow, even with fast charge, to be really viable
orchid plinth
personally i tend to avoid the spin unless the enemies havent spawned yet, get close to where all the spawn circle are on the ground and charge. once they spawn use the spin
i almost never use it on bosses though
hearty elbow
The spin should rarely even be used for non-Hades or Guan Yu. You can position a lot more easily by initiating a spin charge after a dash-strike (instead of the awful standing attack animation)
turbid needle
I find my most successful spear runs are when I get the hammer upgrades to either get explosive spears or replace the spin with DPS
final scaffold
should I do god's pride or god's legacy?
jaunty solar
flurry is certainly the way to go for runs that arent guan yu or hades
jaunty solar
legacy is way more fun ngl
bonus stats versus bonus effects
bonus effects are almost always more fun
turbid needle
Hey so
Are there any ways to get Charon's gold to spawn more often? I want to fight him, but he never seems to yield
jaunty solar
also many duos have insane synergy if you are doing a planned build
outer oar
spear is really easy IMO
jaunty solar
cuz it is
hearty elbow
If you want a duo or legendary
in the run: Legacy, else: Pride.
jaunty solar
it is the most well rounded weapon
outer oar
either way you have a weapon with good range
jaunty solar
it has range, speed and damage
outer oar
and a good dash strike
hearty elbow
Shield is definitely rounder
jaunty solar
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
outer oar
spin attack you can generally totally ignore
but its quite effective with guan yu aspect
can go either special or attack build
fair plinth
does dying lament work the way I hope it does in elysium?
turbid needle
Also
Any way of spawning Chaos more often?
I still haven't got his legendary yet
and I usually only encounter him once per run
outer oar
and almost all of the spear daedalus hammers are good too i thin
errant narwhal
chaos uses they/them pronouns, btw
fair plinth
soldiers die -> dying lament triggers -> autokills the soul spawn?
turbid needle
Their design is very masculine. I apologize.
hearty elbow
Shades die -> lament triggers -> me in melee range -> me in House of Hades
jaunty solar
i never take lament does lament actually damage zagreus?
oblique forge
ok im such an idiot I lost a run to hades lazers.
hearty elbow
Popper shades deal radius exploding damage lol
Lament does a good job of killing them all instantly, at the same time.
And you!
(Benefits Package pact)
outer oar
anyway the easiest build i find for spear is to pick up serrated points (3x dash attack) and then just abuse the hell out of that
it synergizes with a ton of stuff
hearty elbow
Serrated Points is excellent, yes
outer oar
and does great dmg even without a boon on your attack slot
hearty elbow
@fair plinth I'm not actually sure if the spawned shade dies as a result of the initial Dying Lament trigger.
I don't think so
outer oar
another easy build i found thatd be harder to replicate
is i got the long range spear jabs + the hold attack button daedalus hammer
outer oar
such a build can basically outzone hades for the entirety of his fight
hearty elbow
I mean why bother with Flurry Jab at that point
outer oar
and is as simple as holding attack
hearty elbow
When are you ever normal attacking ever again with Serrated and Greatest Reflexes
oblique forge
so you can grind him to death
I play with both dash and non dash attacks most of the time anyways
helps not dash into pools of acid.
lethal chasm
@ chaos using pronouns, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Athena
this game is cultural appropriation
oblique forge
k
outer oar
Academic reviews of Bernal's work generally reject his heavy reliance on ancient Greek mythology, speculative assertions, and handling of archaeological, linguistic, and historical data.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
formal fjord
Can I get hunting blades or curse of drowning with beowulf? Or is that removed
jaunty solar
you cant get curse of drowning on beowulf
hearty elbow
Pretty sure you can still get Hunting Blades with dash?
hearty elbow
Nope, you can't
formal fjord
I got ares cast on beo, what should I round out my build with then?
hearty elbow
But wiki says you can get it with Slicing Flare. But the wiki is also pretty outdated. I'd look in the in-game Codex
lethal chasm
ares cast on beo works well?
formal fjord
Its good imo
lethal chasm
went to do it seems like itd be good
formal fjord
Havent played for a long damn time tho
outer oar
artemis + ares gives you some good cast stuff
turbid needle
btw
what is the point of maxing out bonds for characters?
Do their keepsakes power up at max bond?
lethal chasm
companionship/summons for some
outer oar
for some its the companions
jaunty solar
how do you guys make beowulf work lmao
limber pine
Ares seems bad considering it sticks around after Beowfulf charge
hearty elbow
what is the point of maxing out bonds for characters?
@turbid needle Flavor
limber pine
just go for full special charged shield throw beowulf or any cast that drops fast instead of lingering around
hearty elbow
Tested High Voltage last patch and it does work with Electric Flare, so that's pretty worthwhile lol.
jaunty solar
what do u mean @jaunty solar
@lethal chasm i find beowulf so be clunky without any payoff
lethal chasm
i did too actually
hearty elbow
I also find Beowulf to be very clunky without Charged Flight
lethal chasm
the attack to charge is so much slower
hearty elbow
And often with Charged Flight
lethal chasm
but its worth 1k nukes on hit
jaunty solar
does it ever do more damage than say guan yu, lucifer arthur or hades?
lethal chasm
i dont use any of those ;x
hearty elbow
It does way more burst yeah
sage sorrel
Hello guys. I want to ask something. What's the best setup for the mirror of night? I know it's all up to preference and all but I want to know the general idea.
jaunty solar
arthur can get a single swing 1.5k without the clunkiness of shield
hearty elbow
But has a lot of setup to earn it
hearty elbow
Oookay, there is some definite clunk to getting to the third attack on Excalibur lol
jaunty solar
Hello guys. I want to ask something. What's the best setup for the mirror of night? I know it's all up to preference and all but I want to know the general idea.
@sage sorrel depends on your skill level and playstyle
limber pine
everything purple on mirror besides a few
jaunty solar
Oookay, there is some definite clunk to getting to the third attack on Excalibur lol
@hearty elbow yes but the shield loses the ability to fast block, arthur just takes a moment more to swing
hearty elbow
I think I'm running around 1/3 green pretty much permanently.
outer oar
like if you really wanted to do a run with a particular duo boon
ofc you'd use that duo boon+ thing
crude salmon
the "clunk" is "don't dash more than once after the second attack"
formal fjord
Uhmm are fishes in the void normal?
jaunty solar
the last few mirrors are usually green, the rest purple
crude salmon
as long as you just dash once you'll continue the combo into the second big swing
jaunty solar
Uhmm are fishes in the void normal?
@formal fjord yes
lethal chasm
fishes can be in void yea
hearty elbow
Uhmm are fishes in the void normal?
@formal fjord 10ish % chance
Better make them count :3
formal fjord
Really now? I've got like 70hours in hades and this is the first one i found
cunning urchin
What's the discussion? Shield 4 vs Sword 4 for what purpose?
hearty elbow
The normal combo is Pick Chaos Boon -> Pick door -> ding -> Ffffffff
crude salmon
i've gotten like 6 there and they've all been Projelly cause i do it too fast 
limber pine
they're uncommon but you can find them once in a while
formal fjord
How does it change on how fast you are?
jaunty solar
What's the discussion? Shield 4 vs Sword 4 for what purpose?
@cunning urchin i was complaining about how clunky the 4th shield was and how it basically doesnt pay off for me
limber pine
you do know about Perfect catch timing right?
hearty elbow
With appropriately scaling rewards
crude salmon
How does it change on how fast you are?
if you catch it within 0.35s its always at least a rare fish (rare chaos fish is projelly) with a 5% chance for a legendary fish
lethal chasm
damn did not know that
jaunty solar
sword 4 can get the numbers shield 4 can get with less clunkiness IMO
hearty elbow
Is it actually 5%? I feel like I'm drowning in Scyllascions
crude salmon
trying to train myself to not catch it fast so i can get the common fish registered in my journal, only have 2 so far
sage sorrel
Thank you, I was using all purple and bottom 4 green
cunning urchin
@jaunty solar I was giving some tips on Shield 4 yesterday. Might help you. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/760543628367364129
hearty elbow
Thank you, I was using all purple and bottom 4 green
@sage sorrel That's a pretty typical setup.
crude salmon
green cast is usually better
lethal chasm
appresh beowulf advice
crude salmon
unless you only want to cast once per bossfight
jaunty solar
@jaunty solar I was giving some tips on Shield 4 yesterday. Might help you. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/760543628367364129
@cunning urchin thanks
cunning urchin
Shield 4 is S tier for very high heat. Sword 4 is like . . . B tier?
lethal chasm
when you go into redacted fight w beowulf and he's like good thing I'm not a dragon ☠️
cunning urchin
But sub-20 Heat, Sword 4 lets you clear without looking at the screen. So there's that.
jaunty solar
Shield 4 is S tier for very high heat. Sword 4 is like . . . B tier?
@cunning urchin it feels terrible when trying to block cuz the attack is so slow
hearty elbow
Yeah, low heat Excalibur is the ideal coma patient build.
crude salmon
rating things for above 20 heat is pointless
cunning urchin
Not pointless when all I personally care for is 40+. 
hearty elbow
rating things for above 20 heat is pointless
@crude salmon I'd argue the exact inverse but to each their own
jaunty solar
also @cunning urchin just curious, what weapon aspects are "meta" for high heat?
hearty elbow
Sub 20, you can literally Passion Dash things to death
limber pine
yeah builds don't really matter much at low heat when you can go through with trash builds
crude salmon
not true in the slightest but keep rolling
lethal chasm
dont play high heat but both are interesting to know why lol
crude salmon
i mean i guess you could, it'd just take ages
lethal chasm
ive seen up to 52? idk
cunning urchin
50+ meta is Shield 4, pre-nerf Chaos Aspect (rip), Hades. 40-49 is every aspect.
hearty elbow
As far as in game acknowledgement, 32. Max heat is 62 or 63 I think? I haven't counted since 1.0 lol
+/- 1 with hell mode
dense star
^ think that's accurate
jaunty solar
just take fast spin daedalus lmao
hearty elbow
It was 57/58 before and they only added one 4 heat pact, and 1 point on TD3, so yeah
turbid needle
Hell mode?
dense star
GY's good (especially since it doesn't halve chaos boon max hp for some reason)
velvet birch
Is Dash Nova tied to a particular aspect? I haven't encountered it yet and it's the only thing I'm missing. The wiki is still referencing the old Snap Nova.
cunning urchin
40–49 is mostly down to whatever aspect people prefer. Gotta have some passion to learn an aspect and push that high.
Unless you're bablo who just plays everything at 40+ lol.
hearty elbow
It's the (pretty much totally unnecessary) "hard mode" of the game. You're forced on Hard Labor 1, Lasting Consequences 1, Jury Summons 1, and Calisthenics Program 1, along with an exclusive pact, Personal Liability, which removes your invincible shield if you get hit simultaneously by a bunc hof stuff or a thicc hit from one thing.
And bounties are capped at 25 in that mode
God mode can't be enabled. I think that's it as far as differences.
dense star
Since you start with 5 heat automatically, right? ^
hearty elbow
Right
cunning urchin
The shield procs when you take 25% damage in a certain amount of time.
25% of your max HP.
dense star
Comedically, can be more relevant with GY spear
...if you're getting slapped around badly
hearty elbow
Yeah, virtually everything will proc PL shield on GY
dense star
Or heighetened security traps I guess
hearty elbow
You accept those will 1 shot you if you take that pact on GY lol
proven sierra
I've seen that shield pop up a few times and never understood the mechanics
Good to know when it works
how long does it last?
hearty elbow
Not very
dense star
...maybe a second?
It's kinda like the patroclus keepsake, is how I interpret it in terms of invincibility window
hearty elbow
A was thinking some smallish number of frames.
But someone who's seen source code can verify
dense star
Probably smaller, but meh
proven sierra
Here's a thing from last night I'm curious about the mechanics on
Every once in a while, when I get to Styx I have a new God - IE, one outside of the 4 in my window. Cool cool.
hearty elbow
The special is great
cunning urchin
So you do understand what's good lol.
proven sierra
But last night I had two new Gods and none from my selection of 4.
But the hp is like :scared:
@topaz prawn ya gotta level it up
hearty elbow
Lol, seems like pretty solid understanding
cunning urchin
Lord Hermes and Master Chaos don't count.
proven sierra
But last night I had two new Gods and none from my selection of 4.
what are the odds of this? it felt like the first time i've seen it in 100+ escape attempts but maybe i'm just misremembering
hearty elbow
Less joking, at normal people heats, Divine Strike + Quick Spin is like, an S-tier defensive option
that also sustains
hollow geyser
does the game try to give you gods that you already have boons of? or is it all random?
cunning urchin
There are also some odd interactions with Authority that I never bothered looking into. I think I ended up getting 5 or more gods without forcing with Authority, too. So maybe that's why?
I never really use it.
hearty elbow
You have like 4.5ish god slots
proven sierra
does the game try to give you gods that you already have boons of? or is it all random?
@hollow geyser once you've hit four, the former. but Styx plays by its own rules, apparently
cunning urchin
It shouldn't play by its own rules, no.
hollow geyser
so you can't see all main gods in one run?
cunning urchin
In a billion (real number) Persuasion runs, I've never seen more than 4 gods without forcing more with a keepsake.
covert hatch
I'm running Demeter fists and I've got crit special, do I shoot for Zeus or Dionysus on attack
proven sierra
It shouldn't play by its own rules, no.
@cunning urchin last night, my run was Ares, Demeter, Artemis, and Athena. In Styx, I had Poseidon and Zeus.
hearty elbow
Aphro, Zeus, Dio all do something
cunning urchin
@covert hatch Lightning Strike.
hollow geyser
maybe after Theseus the other gods are freed?
proven sierra
and that wasn't forcing
jaunty solar
got greatest reflex on a fist 4 run
cunning urchin
Did you run Authority or Persuasion?
proven sierra
Persuasion
cunning urchin
Sounds like a bug or you misremember. 
proven sierra
definitely not the latter lol, i was baffled by it and posted here about it immediately after
pseudo stream
best hammers for chaos aspect?
hearty elbow
Is there ever a situation where you can sell the only boon of a god you have, pick up a keepsake, and "Force" the sold god out of your pool?
In my experience this has never worked
And is purely wishful thinking on my part
cunning urchin
Yeah, selling a boon never worked for getting them out of my pool.
proven sierra
seconded, selling keeps them in your pool
cunning urchin
(More reason to avoid Lady Demeter at all cost at high heat. )
hearty elbow
best hammers for chaos aspect?
@pseudo stream Sudden Rush, Explosive Return, the thing where your shields return faster when you dash
There isn't a plethora of good options lol
cunning urchin
Dash*
jaunty solar
i tried to run a demeter attack build on lucifer the other day
cunning urchin
Doesn't work with Dodge.
hollow geyser
is demeter considered bad then?
jaunty solar
with the boom that makes it explode at 10 stacks
cunning urchin
She is on high heat because of certain factors.
E.g., we run LC4 at high heat, so there's zero healing.
pseudo stream
yeah... I took bonus damage with special while dashing, it seems good but I don't feel I'm good at the timing
jaunty solar
it only worked because lucifer is kind of broken on low heat
hollow geyser
what's considered high heat?
cunning urchin
So her Nourished Soul does nothing . . . and you can't sell it.
hearty elbow
is demeter considered bad then?
@hollow geyser Not typically, no. That being said, she's the only god keepsake at 0 encounters, level 1 on my Hell Mode save
hollow geyser
I see
cunning urchin
When I say high heat, usually 40+.
hearty elbow
But it depends on the player. 20+, 32+ and 40+ are all worth their own consideration
50+ is a conversation for like, less than 10 people lol.
cunning urchin
Sometimes I do mean 32+ and then say "very high heat" for 40+. Depends on the context.
hollow geyser
Kk. I am just at 8 :p
cunning urchin
"Less than 10" is one way to say 5 lol.
hearty folio
I use skelly staue values for the low/mid/high reference. 8/16/32
cunning urchin
And horheristo and Haelian practically never talk here. So it's just bablo, Tailesque, and I.
hearty elbow
That's a pretty decent benchmark, honestly
hollow geyser
but feels like LC4 maybe could give 5% healing to make less stuff useless (?)
hearty elbow
That's something that Forge was a huge proponent of. LC4 being 90%
cunning urchin
I like 0% healing.
hearty elbow
It would be nice to get some kind of dopamine kick from fountains or Nourishing Soul though
Or Darkness rooms
cunning urchin
If you set LC4 to 10%, people would just ask for LC5 at 0% lol.
You could always just take LC3 for that.
hollow geyser
True
hearty elbow
Why bother though, the 4th point is relatively free.
cunning urchin
Yeah, but then you can't complain about 0 healing.
hearty elbow
Just saying that seeing a +5 healing makes the gameplay feel very slightly rewarding even if in practice it does nothing
fierce thicket
the 5% would be mocking if anything for me
cunning urchin
LC0, pick Chthonic Vitality, and you'll get that in every chamber.
nimble sandal
orchid plinth
i kind of regret avoiding cast build for so long now, my first cast build just helped me clear the game for the first time
lone lava
Can I get some build advice for a ||gilgamesh|| ME build?
I know you have to have divine strike or divine flourish to get ME right
But afaik you want divine dash to proc the doom
hearty elbow
Depends on your confidence level lol
jaunty solar
You want Doom on Attack.
@cunning urchin why would you do that when you can have doom on special and deflect on attack?
lone lava
Special first to increase odds of getting ME?
hearty elbow
If you're shaky on mechanics, you can take Dash first and really gamble on getting ME by the end, but usually you want to go Flourish
cunning urchin
I'd probably take Special first for better odds at getting the Duo. Getting the Dash later is easier.
cunning urchin
Because you just want to spam Dash-Strikes once you have Merciful End.
jaunty solar
oooh
cunning urchin
Your Attacks will apply Doom, and your Dash will trigger ME immediately.
hearty elbow
I've been experimenting with Athena in Tartarus to just maximize the odds.
It's eh. You're not winning any speed records lol
But it's great for getting the boon consistently
lone lava
Yeah I went for ares first since I usually do that for ME since you can pick up doom buff boons easier
But I was just thinking there maybe athena start is better since you want both dash and special
Having only athena special and base attack is kinda bad though
So it'll be slow af early
cunning urchin
ME in my mind is a build for TD3 JS3 etc. Otherwise, you don't really need it. So lacking DPS in Tartarus is an issue.
lone lava
This is just my first ||gilg|| run
Yeah I probably don't need ME but it seemed like the best build for the aspect
cunning urchin
If I started with the Owl Pendant, I'd just for Divine Strike if she offers it.
Well, not on Fists 4.
Fists 4 I'd only do ME.
hearty elbow
Nice thing about ME is that Doom on non-fist4 is already optimal DPS
stiff flume
bruh i just had a ~10 second fury sisters fight with railgun lucifer aspect
hearty elbow
I'd be surprised if it was optimal on Fist4 since the normal non-dash strike is pretty meaty and slow
stiff flume
this is a lot of dmg
hearty elbow
Eris is 75% more than that
hearty elbow
Give or take the fact that normal rail can't quite cap Lightning per second and FF/PS
lone lava
aiming special on yourself can be a pain playing on controller though
stiff flume
i already have tripple special
proven sierra
i am too much of a c*ward to try Erberus rooms outside of tartarus
lone lava
I usually just auto aim it on them and dash into it
cunning urchin
It's definitely optimal on Fists 4. You get 4 dashes right from the start.
lone lava
Oooh I'm gonna buy erebus gates soon since some of my next runs will be 5 heat
exciting
lone lava
I went with the ruthless reflex so 3 dashes for me
cunning urchin
ME was the only build for me that worked for TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 EM2. Heartbreak Strike at least also made it out of Tartarus.
hearty elbow
Erebus in Tartarus is dooope
Unless you get unlucky rooms like bad BP2 Flamewheels or the stupid stupid Super Elite Witch
Omg my salt
cunning urchin
I'll raise you Super Elite Witch + Flamewheels lol.
hearty elbow
I've gotten that room, but usually it's only 1 flamewheel
cunning urchin
"only"
solid cairn
ok how are you supposed to get past tartarus in time with TD3 as poseidon aspect
hearty elbow
Poseidon + Crush Shot is REALLY fast in Tartarus
solid cairn
oh I was using true shot
solid cairn
I am using cp1 and js1
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul.
solid cairn
this is 16 heat
cunning urchin
JS CP DC all have anti-synergy with TD.
solid cairn
idk what else to put it into
hearty elbow
MM, EM1/2, LC1, HL1, UC
cunning urchin
I do LC4 FO2 TD3 at 16 Heat. So that's an option?
solid cairn
ill talk more about this when I eventually die
lone lava
Maybe the increased costs thing
fierce thicket
BP gives a bit of heat and is not too bad, actually makes the game more enjoyable
cunning urchin
FO2 supposedly makes enemies spawn faster, and in any case makes them come to you faster. So that might help with TD while also adding 6 Heat.
cunning urchin
Yes.
lone lava
What heat do people start running that usually?
hearty elbow
Past 32
lone lava
ah okay
hearty elbow
But it's kind of hard to go back honestly
It's definitely good in its own right
Though that being said, EM3 and 4 are quite challenging with SD especially without the Patroclus buff
cunning urchin
I think EM3 is a bad idea for anything sub 40. But I've never done the fight without FO2, so maybe without FO it's fine.
solid cairn
oh FO2 saves a lot of heat okay
cunning urchin
Certain aspects have no problem at all with the fight, anyway.
proven sierra
EM3 is super fun!!
fierce thicket
EM3 with fists is a nightmare
cunning urchin
But for most it's unnecessarily hard. EM2 is kinda free.
proven sierra
FO2.................. nightmare
solid cairn
ok I have LC1, CF1, EM2, FO2, TD2
proven sierra
i will say for low heat runs (IE 1-10), i find EM1-3 to be the most "fun" heat levels to apply
hearty elbow
Oh, lol, TD2 fixes all of your problems by itself lmao
TD3 is killer
For most aspects
solid cairn
When I was asking how you're supposed to get past tartarus in td3 I was actually using td2 but it took me over 5 minutes
jaunty solar
EM3 with fists is ok if you are running fists 4
hearty elbow
You probably shouldn't concern yourself with TD3 until you have like, an extremely clear plan about what you're supposed to do and are okay with say, skipping good Boon rooms for mid shops, character rooms, or Chaos
I play relatively slow, so for instance, I would personally not even consider TD3 until 50
fierce thicket
yea TD3 is unnecessary at that heat
hearty elbow
It probably should be like 5:30 or something.
lone lava
Another fist4 ME build question about hammer: rolling knuckle (+60% dash strike dmg) or rending claws (rended people take +25% dmg and are 30% slowed)?
hearty elbow
You shouldn't be using ||maim|| for fist4 ME (or at all, arguably)
lone lava
Most damage is from doom proc so idk if rolling is that good but also idk if I should even be rending
Yeah my fist4 is level 1 also haha
hearty elbow
So is mine
hearty elbow
Yep
gilded orbit
Guys a question: how does Ares' boon "dire misfortune" work? How do I stack Doom?
cunning urchin
One my favorite pact setups is TD3 JS3 CP2 DC2 EM2 FO2.
lone lava
Apply doom multiple times
cunning urchin
Really tests your builds.
hearty elbow
Normally, if you doom a doomed target, nothing happens. If you doom a doomed target with Dire Misfortune, it adds the DM's amount to the eventual Doom-splosion
proven sierra
@cunning urchin what is your completion rate at high heat?
feral whale
Hi, is there a place on this server where I can check what all the acronyms stand for? I was just scrolling down and all the TDs, CPs, and JSs left me a bit clueless. 😅
solid cairn
I even refilled all DDS and now at the end of elysium I have none
I like really suck at poseidon aspect
hearty elbow
My first clear with 32 GY took 10 DDs I think
cunning urchin
Lol
fierce thicket
spear is my worst weapon, I can't figure it out
hearty elbow
I remember being more embarassed than happy that I finished it
proven sierra
- throw spear
- ???
- profit
fierce thicket
GY is easier but the base moveset mindset eludes me
solid cairn
I feel like im missing something with my poseidon setup Idrk what to get apart from the cast
hearty elbow
Doom doesn't consume itself when it explodes anymore. It has the same duration as Weak, and will proc for 50% of its damage every 0.5 seconds
solid cairn
do you guys use meg or bouldy companion
hearty elbow
Bouldy until LC4, then Meg/Skelly/Dusa
hearty elbow
Bouldy is nice to help farm meta resources too
Though farming Darkness is a lot less necessary than in Blood Price triggered
smoky nexus
Meh, I cant get Sisyphus storyline to advance to get bouldy XD
hearty elbow
Me neither in my Hell Mode save lol
fossil moat
lol, been using talos aspect to pull enemies into lava and it's acc really satsfying xD
lone lava
Yeah I was planning on using bouldy at first but I still don't have him but I got meg than and dusa's haha
So I just maxed out meg's and use that
orchid plinth
is aspect of hera good? i don't like the bow much but I havent tried hera yet and it sounds cool
woeful hedge
It depends, but I'd say yes
It combines amazingly with Festive Fog or True Strike [that being said, Point and shoot Festive Fog is amazing]
errant anchor
What’s a fun build for chaos shield?
lone lava
Hera is a nice low blood investment weapon
you can just run dio cast and the upgrade level of hera bow doesn't matter
it's a good build, you have huge burst with the trippy shot
orchid plinth
ok ill have to try that
bright flint
bruh the most bs thing just happen during redacted fight
i was standing behind the column during the laser
and he summon the urn right at the spot where I was standing
pushing me out of the column
In my 150hrs playthrough this is the first time I saw him doing that
turbid needle
Saw some incorrect description of Curse of Longing. Doom will tick every 1.1 seconds (1.6 with ID) for as long as Weak lasts, whether that's 4 seconds or 40, halving in damage every tick. It does not change Doom's rate.
Curse of Nausea boosts Hangover tick rate, from every 0.5 seconds to every 0.35 seconds.
bright flint
Yeah it was ||EM4||
But I don't think that has to do with summoning urn right under me
mighty ermine
urns don't push you, it was likely the shockwaves he gains in that variation
that pulse from him while he's lasering
livid comet
I just realised that I've never bothered with Dio.
bright flint
Definitely not, I was standing far from him
livid comet
ooh no he does that?
mighty ermine
no clue, then, never had that happen to me in all my EM4 victories
bright flint
That pulse also is supposed to stun you right?
mighty ermine
yep
bright flint
yeah I didn't got stun
real life me got stun when I was afking and saw me getting hit by laser when I was supposed to be safe behind the column
mighty ermine
lol
sharp anvil
How do you play Rama? Do you apply right click on everyone then do one big juicy hit, do you spam right click with effects on it?
turbid needle
you wanna get big hits in
woeful hedge
So the best way I found to play Rama is either with Zeus or with Ares
woeful hedge
I really like hangover but I have been hesitant to put it on Rama
sharp anvil
If you doom a target, does it apply doom on every shared suffering character, or does it do part of the doom damage to all of them?
turbid needle
shared suffering only shares attack hits
woeful hedge
the main thing with doom is the special supper adds doom
like the spray effect is great
and if you get the ares boons that improve doom [like the one that gives it delay and a damage boost, and the other one that stacks damage per hit]
sharp anvil
@turbid needle So any non direct damage to the main target will not be shared?
cunning urchin
Listen to Toffel, she's the #2 top female Hades player and a Rama expert.
turbid needle
literally only attack
tall yarrow
daang I just discovered you can avoid the final boss beam attack if you are standing like right on top of him
sharp anvil
That sounds very underwhelming
mighty ermine
rama is far from underwhelming right now yeah
sharp anvil
Yeah I can imagine it does damage and clears, but that's way less exciting
I meant underwhelming as in the cool aspect
turbid needle
I see
mighty ermine
it's pretty dynamic with the special application in any case
i think it's plenty cool but shrug
woeful hedge
I guess it depends on playstyle
sharp anvil
So I played with it a bit and how does the special work? after you shoot it on the main target does it split to other targets?
I couldn,'t tell
turbid needle
yes
woeful hedge
I have a friend who hates using the bow and personally I regret life everytime the gun gets dark thirst
sharp anvil
So you want to run around dashing for like 3s, get everyone tagged and then release the big load on the main target?
stoic thicket
With the buff Rama got in 1.0 it is insanely fun and quite strong.
cunning urchin
Huh?
turbid needle
idk its hard to tell these things over text sometimes
cunning urchin
You're #2, and you're a Rama expert.
sharp anvil
For the gun I just use Hestia, turns it into a double barrel
turbid needle
no offense, many love 
sharp anvil
What boons do you look for with Rama, I'm guessing crit on attack?
Then athena call/dash
turbid needle
but yeah for weak crowds you can kinda just click special and clear them
if you have something nice on special
mighty ermine
pretty much any +% strike boon aside from maybe poseidon honestly works fine on rama
you ideally want hunter dash for dash-strike power shot damage, but divine dash is fine
if you'd prefer the extra safety
sharp anvil
Oh yeah, forgot about that
stoic thicket
Even Poseidon works fine, the knockback from the attack isn't that bad.
Plus wall slams.
turbid needle
poseidon is so awkward
mighty ermine
yep, i mostly mean in terms of his poor strike % scaling
mighty ermine
dash sometimes lol
turbid needle
like dash and call is good but core builds
mighty ermine
tidal dash is strong
stoic thicket
Sure, all the time. Breaking Wave is my favorite boon in the game.
turbid needle
I want to like pos but hes in a wierd spot
sharp anvil
I built a poseidon run when I was looking for his +darkness %. I ended up with 4 dashes, knock dash, knock special on Chiron with +4 arrows, rupture and bonus pushback damage
I spent the whole run dashing at people and only using special for bosses
It was hilarious
turbid needle
sounds fun!
mighty ermine
that's kind of part of poseidon's problem; that it's tough to really have a poseidon-centric build shine at higher heat like toffel was getting at
his call slaps with eris boosts, though
frozen dock
only way i've done higher heat is with hermes
mighty ermine
bablo made this super clear lol
frozen dock
stack alot of dodge and movespeed
stoic thicket
His call slaps in general pretty well.
sharp anvil
I'm up to heat 10 by now, going slowly up by 1 for titan blood
Chiron makes it easy mode
stoic thicket
As with all things Poseidon a bit awkward to use, but quite powerful.
frozen dock
poseidon kinda sucks in large rooms
mighty ermine
his call is alright, but ideally you'd be able to put out higher dps with athena and retaining control of your own weapon and boons
frozen dock
cuz you really need that knockback into the walls for all damage
sharp anvil
I usually start with an Anphrodite keepsake to get weak on special and extra damage, then move on to a debuff on main attack, for double debuff, then I look for the hammer upgrades, after that stuff like athena call or dash, Aphrodite again for the bonus damage to weak or charm if I'm lucky
frozen dock
which calls you guys usually use?
turbid needle
I dont like gauntlets in general but i hard that the aspect is underwhelming from quite a bunch of people
the idea is cool tho but dash uppers are a pain
frozen dock
i've only been using artemis and ares for call cuz they're just damage while ares is damage and invincibility
worn citrus
The idea of maim is nice I guess, but I can just get a 5x special with demeter instead
Which hits like a truck anyway and doesn't risk me taking extra damage
sharp anvil
Athena is damage and defense too, since you can just keep shooting or hitting
turbid needle
my fav call is pos bc its funny
frozen dock
also opinion on the demeter boon rarity up thing?
mighty ermine
zagreus do be zooming around very fast
turbid needle
its really nice unless ur on very high heat
worn citrus
If you get it early on and you get it on rare or lower it's sweeet
gray epoch
does anyone know whether it's possible to get mirage shot and hunting blades? I sorta remember a run where I had both but could well be wrong, and the info on the wiki re: which poseidon boons you need is different between his page and the duo boons page
turbid needle
hmm
arent the requirements for both different
like blades needs ares cast and mirage shot needs pos cast
frozen dock
i still havent unlocked the special aspects on weapons even tho i did what the wiki said
gray epoch
pretty sure that's the case, but the poseidon page lists it as something you can get with pretty much any poseidon boon
frozen dock
even my necter with archilles is max except for that gold lock
gray epoch
whereas the duo boons page says you need poseidon cast (edit: might be changed on the wiki now)
sharp anvil
It just takes time, I had to suicide like 15 times to get new dialogue on Achilles
He also instantly gave me the Guan Yu aspect once I talked to him with the bow equipped the 15th time
Might just be a coincidence
And he only had 1 nectar
stoic thicket
IIRC Mirage Cast at least used to work with any Poseidon boon, didn't have to be the cast.
frozen dock
cuz im on like 7 heat and still no dialogue with him yet so was confused af
sharp anvil
Yep it takes forever
Just turn up trap damage, remove your second lives and kill yourself a bunch
turbid needle
killing yourself is a good way to advance your ingame progression 👍
fiery ginkgo
Hello I just started my run and have been presented with the choice of epic Dionysus or heroic Ares on bow special
What would you do?
turbid needle
which bow
fiery ginkgo
hera
turbid needle
hmm ares
frozen dock
imo bow special with 2 ares boons synergise really well
the special doom and more stacks of doom = more damage on homing special
if that makes sense
turbid needle
if you dont already have t2 hangover boons
but its harder to stack hangover fast with bow special than just applying doom once
frozen dock
do each arrows not count towards hangover?
turbid needle
well they said hera bow
sharp anvil
Yeah just saying that in case it makes any difference
turbid needle
which has the spreadfire special
turbid needle
yeeah
livid comet
ath dash or art dash?
sharp anvil
Uh?
livid comet
like, which do you guys prefer
sharp anvil
Oh those are god names
mighty ermine
depends on the aspect
sharp anvil
Athena dash for me, unless I'm using Hestia
turbid needle
athena bc im scared
mighty ermine
art on all bows personally
livid comet
that makes sense
sharp anvil
Can you dash strike the special on Chiron?
livid comet
uhh I don't think so
mighty ermine
no, just the attack to mark
livid comet
dash special is fist only iirc
sharp anvil
And how is it decided whether or not the attack will be a dash attack? Is it based on a timer after you dash, or is it whether or not you take a step after you're done dashing before attacking?
livid comet
sometimes I think about rebinding special to one of the triggers or left bumper
mighty ermine
just the quick timing of it following a dash
each weapon makes it clear whether its dash-strike's unique animation or bow's faster charge speed
livid comet
since dash special is super awkward to use on buttons
yeah usually attacking during the dash animation
mighty ermine
i got so used to dash-upper's input that it would mess me up if i ended up rebinding
even though the default is rather awkward for most lol
sharp anvil
I use M&K
mighty ermine
ah, yeah i don't have experience with kb+m inputs
sharp anvil
Super nice for Hestia, you can do special, attack and reload all on your mouse
Reload, dash, powered shot, special + reload
Such a nice rythm with your fingers on the mouse
Thumb-index-middle finger
I'd probably use a controller if I didn't mainly use bow and gun though
Sounds comfy to lay back and play melee weapons on controller
livid comet
ah yes, gun, that weapon that doesn't exist in hades
mighty ermine
bow is actually plenty comfortable on controller
the only issues i really have that would be remedied or improved with kb+m for me are trippy shot/rail special aiming
since it can be a little awkward sometimes
sharp anvil
I can't stand the spear
mighty ermine
I should really try Achilles and Hades
yes, you should
sharp anvil
Standing still and charging things annoys me
mighty ermine
you get used to it. mini spins and the dash spin tech make it very flexible even in the middle of an encounter
sharp anvil
Yeah I'm aware of dash spin, still too long for me tho
And the main attack feels clunky to me
livid comet
yes, you should
hmm? 🤔
solid raptor
Achilles at level 1 or base zagreus?
livid comet
zag
solid raptor
zag
@livid comet why? As in unlevelled zagreus form