What’s like the combat combo
#h1-builds-and-combat
unkempt pagoda
+200% on backstab
lyric bloom
shadow slash is the hammer that gets back attack bonus
onyx parcel
I usually just go dash, strike, dash, strike on Arthur
solid cairn
Only meaningful on Arthur
untold quiver
@unkempt zephyr oh I'm glad someone else knew what I was talking about it's what I've been calling it when talking with friends
onyx parcel
Does anyone actually prefer Arthur over nemesis
unkempt pagoda
@turbid needle well now i look like an idiot bc i still kept telling people that delta chamber was a trap 
onyx parcel
It’s so clunky
dry ember
Hmm, change my mind on Delta Chamber, no kappa here
On something other than Hestia, of course
onyx parcel
Help fox
solid cairn
they're good for different things
onyx parcel
How do I play Arthur
unkempt pagoda
the burst fire is faster and there's less time in between
dry ember
@onyx parcel Learn how to continue your combo with dash
unkempt pagoda
like literally, there's barely half a second between bursts
dry ember
Backstabbing is quite easy with Arthur, so learn to position
onyx parcel
Am I just suppose to dash, strike, dash, strike
And do the combo instead of normal dash strikes?
solid cairn
also, should I even bother getting an attack boon on poseidon
dry ember
I do the normal combo, not dash strike
unkempt pagoda
on eris it wins out over flurry fire bc no reloading, it's definitely not a dps loss anymore
onyx parcel
To execute combos in between dashes, you just keep mashing attack button right
Or is there a better way of executing it
dry ember
well on arthur I don't spam dash
you hit once, dash, hit again, dash, hit again
so you have thrust, small swipe, back swipe
the dash is to reposition to dodge/backstab
dry ember
bruh
just let go of the dash button, hit attack 3 times
you have thrust, small swipe, big swipe
you can dash in between each of those attacks
and maintain the combo
solid cairn
basically how much should I care about poseidon's actual attack, do I not even bother with an attack boon
unkempt pagoda
i never realized how much i took arthur's attack-dash combo-ing for granted
it's so nice
dry ember
I like priming your attack and spawn camp the enemies
so that the moment they spawn they get smacked by the big wipe
solid cairn
I lost a run because I was using artemis cast on poseidon sword and I was overrun by the adds the tiny vermin spawned, probably shoulda used my attack more
unkempt pagoda
yeah i think a lot of people forget that they have a base weapon underneath their aspect
me included
solid cairn
and I like the sword so it's weird I did that
I also did not prioritize extra casts at all since I had no idea what I was doing
dry ember
so I really tried to make special attack hybrid build work on Zag Bow
it's still so bad T.T
fair plinth
so i enter temple of styx, clear the first tunnel and I hear zag say "fishing point" right before i entered 2nd tunnels
unkempt pagoda
special
on zag bow
there's your issue
dry ember
I mean I heard special got an overall buff
unkempt pagoda
well the damage is 16 now and it wasn't before
dry ember
The first 3 seconds you had it
unkempt pagoda
the extra thrust is a dash strike
onyx parcel
Yea but idk why it’s two stabs when it’s on the actual enemy
dry ember
What happened to that you dash strike which is a thrust, then you start your main combo which includes another thrust and 2xswipe
solid cairn
what's happening is you are dash striking and then doing the first hit of the combo again
onyx parcel
the extra thrust is a dash strike
@unkempt pagoda how do I fix that
unkempt pagoda
you're going dash strike, thrust, slash slash
dry ember
^
unkempt pagoda
you fix it by not dashing before the combo
onyx parcel
How do I eliminate that dash strike
unkempt pagoda
it's not really a bad thing lol
solid cairn
it's good. 2 stabs
onyx parcel
Really?
solid cairn
pretty fast damage
unique vigil
have any of you tried doing a doom build with chiron bow? tried it out and it worked pretty well for me
solid cairn
I mean don't do it every time
unkempt pagoda
if you really want to get rid of it, learn to only when you need to, not willy-nilly
dry ember
give yourself space after dash
onyx parcel
I mean don't do it every time
@solid cairn how do I fix it
unkempt pagoda
but it doesn't really,,, need to be fixed
dry ember
so you don't trigger dash strike
onyx parcel
give yourself space after dash
@dry ember what does this mean
dry ember
dash - (brief) pause - A to thrust - (dash to reposition if needed) - A again to swipe - (dash to reposition if needed) - A again for big swipe
dry ember
but again, not something you "need" to fix
unkempt pagoda
look at these nice emotes!
solid cairn
youll get used to it
dry ember
like in nemesis, you can dash strike spam and still sometimes do a normal attack
onyx parcel
True
dry ember
no one cares for that stray normal attack
same here, no one cares for that stray dash strike
if you can clean it up, good. if not, big whoop ¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven sierra
BOON QUESTION
tidal edge
spear dash strike makes me wish I played kbm
unkempt pagoda
yes
unkempt pagoda
yes
proven sierra
my question is:
if you only have one boon from a fourth god
and you sell it in the Pool of Styx
does that god stay in your pool of 4?
onyx parcel
Is it worth it to upgrade Arthur
unkempt pagoda
it still occupies a "slot"
onyx parcel
I feel like damage reduction doesn’t do much
proven sierra
it still occupies a "slot"
@unkempt pagoda booooo, that's what i thought but rats
onyx parcel
I prob wanna do eris before Arthur
unkempt pagoda
you see this with things like sunken treasure, but pool of purging also works as an example
dry ember
no one knows how the god overcrowding thing works
onyx parcel
I can still live with my nemesis
proven sierra
upgraded arthur is more effective than the Athena + Dionysus + Aphrodite DR boons combined
but upgrade the others yes
tidal edge
you tried hestia yet sauce? that aspect feels like EZ mode
dry ember
I use arthur for 200 base damage, that's it
unkempt pagoda
friendship ended with flurry fire, now delta chamber is my best friend
onyx parcel
you tried hestia yet sauce? that aspect feels like EZ mode
@tidal edge nah I’m going on eris
unkempt pagoda
i use arthur because big number go brr
dry ember
^
unkempt pagoda
and special wow it look cool
onyx parcel
I can make nemesis go big number
dry ember
should I post that 8k screenshot again? or does everyone know that already?
onyx parcel
Wow blue lights cool
dry ember
I can make nemesis go big number
imagine critting for 1k5 max is big
unkempt pagoda
arthur is beeg sword, nemesis is litl sword
solid cairn
like yes a million dollars is a lot, but what about 50 million dollars
dry ember
nemesis is like little mac, arthur is straight up ganon
tidal edge
isn't arthur a melee weapon that can't stun lock
solid cairn
nemesis is like little mac, arthur is straight up ganon
dont be calling them both low tier
dry ember
you can stunlock on FO1 and below
tidal edge
ohhh
unkempt pagoda
arthur could be the worst weapon in the game and my monkey brain would still go "haha big swing go 200 dmg, ooo lights"
dry ember
on F02 third strike has a brief moment where the enemy can act
tidal edge
how does beowulf handle FO2? it looks pretty slow too
unkempt pagoda
playing shield
tidal edge
unkempt pagoda
shield is hella boring
dry ember
preach
tidal edge
zag shield is fun tho
unkempt pagoda
the only thing that can make shield fun is merciful end, and that's because of merciful end
turbid needle
I can never get the damage output I want with the shield
like I don't get how to play it well
the throw doesn't give high damage output, the bull rush doesn't give enough DPS...
and the regular attacks' knockback doesn't allow you to deal high damage either
summer rover
Throw more shield.
unkempt pagoda
in an alternate universe zeus shield was an aspect that gave support to bull rush
tidal edge
just pick up zag shield and spam attack and dash strike, make knockback ur friend @turbid needle
dry ember
well the old chaos is great dps. the new chaos supposedly is just as good but I haven't tested it extensively so no idea
summer rover
Zag shield dash attack spam works
half crater
but like, very defensively
summer rover
Chaos works very well with rush>special combo
tidal edge
I don't think so
unkempt pagoda
new chaos is good for different reasons, but i don't really feel like playing it to find out
summer rover
tbh no one plays zag shield, chaos is good enough
unkempt pagoda
at least chaos doesn't feel like shield+ now lol
half crater
well the old chaos is great dps. the new chaos supposedly is just as good but I haven't tested it extensively so no idea
@dry ember yeah it’s the same you just gotta pay attention to what you’re doing lol
before chaos played the game for you
turbid needle
I'm having trouble with a few weapons actually
half crater
but dps was never the reason to go chaos anyway
turbid needle
the gun's reload is a bit of a problem in generating high damage, and as well, I'm finding it hard to get high damage with the spear
tidal edge
I watched vorime play beowulf in his all weapons speedrun and it made me want to play it, that dragon rush looks satisfying as hell
summer rover
you have to weave the special in with the gun
or just go hunt special hammers and shotgun rockets into people's faces
half crater
beowulf can be glorious
summer rover
or just dash behind and nothing personnel with the single shot one
half crater
trippy shot dragon rush took EM4 FO2 easy
tidal edge
@half crater got a vod I can watch? 👀
half crater
i don’t usually record my runs lol
tidal edge
summer rover
I only record my hades fights, tbh
half crater
i’ll prolly do it again sometime tho; can’t seem to crack that heat combo without it lol
half crater
oh shield?
half crater
charged shot got nerfed hard
unkempt pagoda
did it?
tidal edge
I thought it was flight that got nerfed
half crater
haven’t done a build with the new one yet
yup
gone form +400% to +200%
oh yeah lmao i’m thinking of charged flight lol
half crater
why do they sound so similar lol
tidal edge
charged shot would be such a wild pick to nerf lol
half crater
honestly i think in theory charged flight might still work on beowulf
it wouldn’t be silly anymore ofc
unkempt pagoda
charged shot was in the game before the "charged etc" hammers were in the game
they never changed the name so it's just there now, being the shield's best rush hammer
tidal edge
I think it's cool that beowulf has a chance to utilize what makes it unique now
but I didn't play when charged flight was the meta so IDK
half crater
not beowulf but my latest thing is shilling for dread flight on chaos
like, it’s super good now
unkempt pagoda
does it work on the extra shields?
unkempt pagoda
nice, i was wondering if they had changed hammer behaviors with the new chaos shield
half crater
before it was kind of annoying because it left you defenceless, but now you go form no bounce at all to yus bounce
only managed to get it once so far admittedly, but it’s the one i’ll be shooting for from now on i think
tidal edge
it looks hard to play well
half crater
what boons were you running?
unkempt pagoda
very nice with thunder flourish
tidal edge
doesn't blitz shield hit too fast to proc zeus properly? thought I read that in the high-heat channel
turbid needle
Yeah I'm really not getting the spear
unkempt pagoda
merciful end
rare kayak
im honestly a pretty big fan of dio special zeus aspect because it makes it really easy to handle hangover stacks
calm oyster
got the "bull rush fires a piercing shot" hammer and the "bull rush power shot" hammer so it was absolutely busted
half crater
i love that aspect, but just getting thunder flourish again and again gets boring
turbid needle
The spin is too slow and the throw is too...slow?
How does one get the most out of the spear?
unkempt pagoda
doesn't blitz shield hit too fast to proc zeus properly? thought I read that in the high-heat channel
it shouldn't, the internal cooldown was tuned to zeus shield's attack rate i thought
half crater
merciful end
@unkempt pagoda wanna try this, actually
calm oyster
I just threw the shield out as it zapped all the enemies in the room while I kept spamming power shots on the bull rush
tidal edge
if you want spear ez mode you can just pick achilles and spam casts @turbid needle
half crater
might be the answer
tidal edge
hades spear is fun and strong too but a little harder to play I think
turbid needle
they usually end out being a bust for me
tidal edge
casts are reallys trong
turbid needle
no matter how much you pour into them, their DPS is 2small
tidal edge
with achilles you can just do your special for the buff and throw out your casts toward the enemy
rinse and repeat
unkempt pagoda
🤧
tidal edge
maybe he meant cats
unkempt pagoda
lightning phalanx, curse of drowning, full wine, hello???
half crater
not to mention hunting blades
median oar
it's lucky there's no catgirl in the game
unkempt pagoda
let me hit you up with a nice fully loaded true shot + exit wounds build on pos sword
tidal edge
the contractor? he gives gameplay related upgrades too
unkempt pagoda
So he's just there for cosmetics, yeah?
basically yeah, he's just there to sink extra resources into
resources director, not contractor
tidal edge
ah my bad
vapid ore
Guys, Ive unlocked everything, and want to know what is the best legendary aspect to invest blood into? Someone knows a tier list or anything like that?
half crater
there’re a bunch of tier lists
they don’t always agree lmao
if you want a powerful one tho, i vote beowulf
i mostly play shields these days so i might be biased lol
tidal edge
a lot of people really enjoy arthur
at least it comes up a lot in here and on the subreddit
glass ether
Is aspect of talos works against bosses?
and is aspect of poseidon any good? Seems rather pointless to me
half crater
the damage buff still works, re: talos
been a while since i’ve run it, but from memory it does move some of them a fairly small amount
poseidon is great for cast builds
glass ether
but I can't guarantee a cast build? 😄
static jacinth
Am I missing something or is the Redacted Greater Call really not worth the effort?
It just feels so... Nyeh.
glass ether
^ I don't get it too
devout ether
Haven't tried it but it sounds more like a gimmick than anything else
static jacinth
It doesn't last long enough, and you still take damage while using it half the time.
I'd rather have most other calls.
median oar
sword 4th aspect turned sword from my least favourite weapon into most
devout ether
It's also kind of a secret item? Probably just meant to be a challenge to deepen your relationship with Redacted
unkempt pagoda
redacted keepsake is very underwhelming
half crater
yeah doesn’t really work for me either
summer rover
fun to use it to yell, sometimes, but yeah
crimson pasture
Best build for fist weapons?
half crater
but I can't guarantee a cast build? 😄
@glass ether you can with fated persuasion and keepsakes
Best build for fist weapons?
curse of agony, divine flourish, divine dash, merciful end
they’re others, but that one works consistently amazing on all of them
unkempt pagoda
there's always zeus attack
summer rover
I'm having just entirely too much fun with the hidden aspect and poseidon dash
positively dashing
lean adder
Hey all, sorry if this is the hundredth time you've seen this asked. I'm on my 30th clear and at my wit's end trying to get my first clear. Wasted my Titans blood too on all of the shield aspects. What's a safe build with good damage to get my first clear? Or if there's something i should search for in here, lmk.
30th attempt, typo
unkempt pagoda
you could try hangover chaos
half crater
or lightning chaos
unkempt pagoda
or lightning zeus
summer rover
Lightning chaos gets my vote
lean adder
Chaos is shield, yea?
half crater
or doom, tho that doesn’t work as well with the new chaos
summer rover
chaos aspect, zeus special boons, yeah
unkempt pagoda
or zeus shield with ares attack and athena special (or the other way around, it doesn't matter much) to try to fish for merciful end
crimson pasture
For my first clear, I used sword with ice. Ice everything! Having slow helped. Also, if you get decay, it works even better.
summer rover
does zeus shield stack dooms?
glass ether
Is Strong Drink good considering that I don't care that much about the healing ? Even if I take it in Tartarus, it will be 12% at least, which isn't that much, but it's something.
lean adder
Wow, thanks for all the help!!!
unkempt pagoda
sure, but for merciful end all that matters is that zeus shield keeps procing doom
lean adder
I'm gonna give it a shot
half crater
man i actually have to try ME zeus
unkempt pagoda
at epic, strong drink adds up to 20% damage right? at minimum?
half crater
i burnt out of zeus aspect ‘cause it was the same build all the time
never even thought of ME for some reason
unkempt pagoda
with a maximum of 35%
glass ether
wow, thats a lot
unkempt pagoda
so it's okay, less and less okay the more you use Lasting Consequences
it's better if you take it in tartarus
half crater
i haven’t gotten to dealing with LC yet lol
unkempt pagoda
the later you take it, the lower the minimum/maximum strong drink damage boost is
glass ether
so it's okay, less and less okay the more you use Lasting Consequences
@unkempt pagoda never expected it to affect strong drink 😦
summer rover
ALL healing means, well, all healing :<
unkempt pagoda
it interacts kinda weirdly with it
you get some weird percentage of your health back, but it's still quite a lot
lean adder
chaos zues with emphasis on special boons yea?
half crater
it’s not just the percentage you have LC set to?
summer rover
I just realized, I've almost always had either 0 or full lasting consequences
half crater
so LC3 gets you 25% of your health?
unkempt pagoda
maybe? haven't verified it myself
lean adder
oh yep you said that
half crater
strong drink fountains look like it heals you to max by healing for an amount equal to your max hp
so that’s what i always assumed, but i’ve never tested it either
like i said; LC=scary
half crater
no
glass ether
good for chill runs
unkempt pagoda
shield is boring gang, rise up
unkempt pagoda
on which weapon?
unkempt pagoda
unique vigil
I feel like I'd need the hammer upgrade that makes your bull rush charge faster
glass ether
Extreme measures 1 when you get alecto seems wildly harder than the other two 😫
half crater
i actually dislike meg more
unique vigil
EM 1 and 2 feel fine for me, haven't tried 3 or 4 yet
glass ether
Who is Lernie?
summer rover
The Lernean Hydra.
unique vigil
bone hydra
glass ether
Ah
summer rover
EM3 is easier than no EM3, tbh
unique vigil
really? haven't tried it yet cause EM3 makes me exceed the heat level I need for bounties
summer rover
Well, personal feeling there
but, without giving spoilers, let's just say it makes the fight less frustrating for me
unique vigil
only time I have any problems with theseus and asterius is if my build sucks lol
half crater
really? haven't tried it yet cause EM3 makes me exceed the heat level I need for bounties
lol imagine being worried about this
unique vigil
though I've heard FO2 makes asterius pretty rough to deal with, I've only done FO1
summer rover
I've not had problems with Forced Overtime until I pushed past 16 heat
unique vigil
I swear poison is actually the bane of my existence
I take more damage from it in temple of styx than from anything else
half crater
honestly i think you might be right about EM3 being easier, in a way
depends on build i think
summer rover
It's, idk, more predictable for me
half crater
but i struggle with that fight at FO2, so i turned off EM3 once (because turning off FO2 would be blasphemy) and it was a shorter, but more annoying fight
yeah the predictability is it
unique vigil
okay like this is my first time using ME but it feels kinda broken
the damage is just insane
summer rover
ME?
half crater
merciful end
unique vigil
merciful end
half crater
athena/ares duo boon
unique vigil
deflect instantly procs doom
rare kayak
does anyone actually like hyper sprint
summer rover
ooooooh
untold vortex
abilities that can deflect instantly proc doom
summer rover
I like hyper sprint
rare kayak
its real good especially with a strong impending
unique vigil
I get to take impending doom and it's just free damage for no reason
untold vortex
you don't need to deflect for doom to insta proc with ME
summer rover
the ftftftft sound effect is a fav
rare kayak
not hyper sprint me
half crater
I feel like I'm cheating
@unique vigil there’s a solution to that: heat
unique vigil
I only have a common lvl 1 impending doom and the damage is still crazy
rare kayak
not a fan of hyper sprint just because it messes up my movement
sudden increase of speed is wacky
half crater
it’s fun to be able to outrun charging FO2 asterius tho
unique vigil
what do you guys think of flurry cast?
static jacinth
Hyper Sprint is really good with the movement speed to damage thing too.
Flurry Cast is really nice sometimes.
half crater
otherwise decent
turbid needle
My biggest thing which I'm not a fan of is Demeter's abilities. Then again, I'm damage obsessed
unique vigil
I had an epic flurry cast with lighting phalanx before
static jacinth
Demeter can do respectable damage.
thick comet
Demeter has an ability that melts enemies if they all have Chill afflicted
half crater
if you want damage form demeter check out decay
thick comet
that's the one
static jacinth
Also the Wintery Blast with some builds.
half crater
it’s also just super nice that it insta procs privileged status
thick comet
procs?
half crater
activates
thick comet
aah
turbid needle
I have a pretty badass build right now in my run
summer rover
winter harvest popping up on some bosses is extremely satisfying
turbid needle
zagreus's spear because I don't have the others, combined with Poseidon's special blast, combined with zeus and poseidon's duo, combined with exploding spears
thick comet
oo, nice
summer rover
I should've recorded Greece's Sweetest Grandma™ popping up to yell WITHER AND DIE to a tiny vermin
thick comet
my current thing is Zeus' special + any weapon that has a fast hitting special, like the Zeus shield or the bow
turbid needle
So combat talk is great and all, but no fight will be as hard as it is right now to be as good of a musician as Darren Korb. I don't think I'm ever going to win that battle >_>
thick comet
you get the zeus shield special to sit on top of a boss, with the zeus lightning special on top
melts em
completely
unique vigil
oh I've been using chaos shield
thick comet
haven't found a more reliable way to deal damage yet
unique vigil
I've tried beowulf too, but haven't used the zeus shield
turbid needle
Speaking of
thick comet
it's so good once you get the hang of it
it deals damage every 0.3s, so combine that with zeus' special boon that deals like, 50 damage every special hit
thats 150 dps potentially without even levelling up
- whatever damage the shield does
unique vigil
I recently upgraded chaos and chiron to legendary so I'm back to grinding titan blood haha
thick comet
lol fair
thick comet
oh yeah
half crater
and splitting bolt
thick comet
was about to say
thick comet
but I was talking about like
when you first come into asphodel
you can be doing 150 dps
which is mad
well, 150+
half crater
yeah and easily as well
unique vigil
I've been liking ares builds recently
on my last run I stacked up doom damage pretty high with chiron bow
thick comet
I need to sink more time into that, ares is fun
I can never get that doom stacking boon
oh, quick question, anybody here used the gilgamesh fists?
unique vigil
yeah I only got it near the end
I used them once, they're pretty fun but I think demeter is better
thick comet
interesting
I was wondering if the "maim" damage counts as special damage?
like, if you get a boon that adds 20% special damage, does that apply to the gilgamesh dash-special?
empty veldt
as long as the maim is active
unique vigil
so if you maim redacted it can be rough
thick comet
yee
half crater
maim damage doesn’t count as special damage no
thick comet
as long as the maim is active
@empty veldt but like, how long is that?
until the enemy dies?
half crater
4 secs
thick comet
ah
empty veldt
maim is kinda like doom that also makes enemy deal and take more damage
stoic thicket
Fun fact: Curse of Longing also works on Maim, so if you have that one application will last a long time.
thick comet
ooo
half crater
yeah i heard about the curse of longing thing
did not expect that at all
kinda wanna try it
thick comet
yeah, seems like the gilgamesh fists are kinda useless then
stoic thicket
I tried it twice, it does indeed work.
thick comet
at least compared to other methods of dealing heavy damage
unique vigil
I heard that gilgamesh fists are really good with ME
thick comet
ME?
unique vigil
since you can get divine dash and spam doom procs with ME
half crater
got up to 5 or 6 dashes with an ME build on it the other day lmao
thick comet
oooh
unique vigil
it makes deflect attacks proc doom early
thick comet
yee, got the wiki open lol
unique vigil
I tried to do that build yesterday but I couldn't get ME
eternal sedge
Anyone got an idea which boon is best for the sword's first and fourth aspects
unique vigil
so I gave up and switched my boons, ended up with curse of longing somehow lol
half crater
ME is kinda annoying to get now
unique vigil
crit is super fun with sword 4
half crater
since you need to grab divine flourish, which is meh on gilg
unique vigil
not sure if it's the best but you get huge crits
half crater
i got it super late in elysium from memory
thick comet
it'd be really cool if you could manually assign boons
would be fun to fine tune builds and stuff, test things out
half crater
they’re mods for that, i think
thick comet
oo
half crater
haven’t looked into it personally
thick comet
yeah, save game editors I imagine could do it
will have to look into that
so does ME also activate/end maim or something then?
is maim basically just doom?
thick comet
lol fair
unique vigil
you kinda just spam dash strike with gilg
thick comet
yeah that figures
it's just like, it does 400 damage when fully upgraded, and that amount can't be increased by boons
compare that to my zeus/zeus shield/special build, kinda seems like a waste of titan blood
oh, and it makes enemies way stronger
stiff flume
quick question: one of the demeter boons says "while ALL enemies are chiled they are slowed and decay" what does this mean? does that mean i somehow have to chill all enemies on the screen?
unique vigil
yes
stiff flume
stoic thicket
It's superb against bosses, in regular room more difficult to pull off unless you can scatter a ton of chill around.
unique vigil
it's very good against bosses
thick comet
that abilty plus demeter special plus flying cutter on the fists means you can really get the chill around
stoic garnet
Aspect of Eris the best rail for DPS? Thinking which one to invest blood in, I dont like lucifer because too slow to dash strike
unique vigil
eris is what I've been using, it seems the best in terms of plain DPS
stiff flume
i like the one that just gives you damage when you stand in your special blast, whatever the name is. the hidden aspect feels so clunky to me
stoic garnet
yeah that one is eris, thanks guys
untold vortex
Eris or Hestia is what I hear gives best dps for rail
unique vigil
I think exagryph 4 is pretty fun, but eris feels stronger
stiff flume
the first aspect is nice too, but only if you get the shotgun blast hammer 😂
otherwise it feels terrible to me
lone lava
Anyone got tips on guan yu? I maxed it and all other spear aspects are lvl 1 but I keep planking on it when I use spear cause it's +20% darkness
thick comet
just feels too weak
lone lava
Even when I do win it feels sketchy/close and like I have to try harder
Is it just always a more difficult to play weapon?
I've been climbing up the heats with the other weapons fine, don't really fail on them yet
lone lava
4th
unique vigil
you kinda just have to poke lol
stiff flume
that one feels super strong to me, i did my 32 heat run on that
you just send the healing disc out 🤷♂️
pretty nice if you get larger AOE hammer
lone lava
I'm not sure weather to build for the spinning throw thing or the special
lone lava
And do you go for centaur hearts more or less than normal with it
since you only get half the benefit but also you start with such low hp
stiff flume
about the same
i dont focus on HP with it
you just gotta play carefully and heal all damage back up
but its still pretty fast
static jacinth
Depends on the heat you're playing at.
lone lava
Only 4 atm haha
median oar
I don't know if I'm just stupid or what but trying to get the thanatos keepsake achievement is the most hypertension-inducing thing I've tried to do in the game so far and I'm already trying what I thought was the "for dummies" way of just sitting behind charged shot shield
unique vigil
I didn't really have much trouble doing that
you just have to be extra cautious and pay attention to how you use your dashes
thick comet
yeah, the game mostly encourages fairly reckless play
thick comet
eh I guess
but my point is that it's fairly easy to take very little damage, but it's actually super hard to avoid all damage, even if you try fairly hard
so you're better off being aggressive, most of the time
unique vigil
idk I've been able to clear rooms pretty fast without taking damage
thick comet
@median oar the zeus shield allows you to throw out a spinning disc of doom and let that churn em up while you hide lol
idk I've been able to clear rooms pretty fast without taking damage
@unique vigil I probably just suck lmao
lone lava
oh in other news
unique vigil
I just check and last time I used pierced butterfly I got 34%
median oar
it's more getting clipped by things like the skeleton bombs and lava spouts in asphodel
unique vigil
I generally end up somewhere in the thirties when I use it
lone lava
Just got merciful end on zeus shield last run
lone lava
it actually nukes REDACTED
thick comet
fr
@lone lava what was your loadout like? ares special, athena attack?
w/ ares stack and delay boons I assume?
median oar
ahhhh finally got it in Elysium because there's no random lava or jumping skeletons
now I can never touch it again
cowering behind charged shot is the way to go if you lack the reflexes to be simultaneously aggressive and safe
thick comet
yee
thick comet
I can imagine that being not bad
currently doing a chiron run with zeus special
happened to get the daedalus upgrade that adds 4 to the special as well
deals pretty good damage
oo, hard decision, do I get static discharge (jolt damage, epic) or double strike (common)?
goin double strike
lone lava
Oh btw zeus special only hits twice with chiron
there's a 0.2 second internal cooldown on the lightning procs on one target (only on special for some reason, lightning strike doesn't have this)
And yeah I had zeus aspect, divine strike, doom special, impending doom (doom takes longer to proc but does more dmg), and merciful end
Pommed up doom special and the impending doom
Also had the hammer that gives you double hit
thick comet
there's a 0.2 second internal cooldown on the lightning procs on one target (only on special for some reason, lightning strike doesn't have this)
@lone lava oh dip, that's good to know
median oar
this may be a strange and really specific question but if you're trying to grind level up your keepsakes is the best way to just do runs at 0 heat and run through every door in styx?
lone lava
Just send out and recall the shield special to keep it on them and then spam autos to proc doom repeatedly super fast
Obliterates bosses
thick comet
I bet
lone lava
Val yeah I think styx rooms count for lvling up keepsakes, but not for the effects of plume/butterfly/||pom thingy||
So either just use the things you want to level for the whole run or just put them on after elysium I guess if you want to use other things at the start
I'm just leveling keepsakes as I work up the heat, most of them are useful/useable
unique vigil
I'm pretty sure styx rooms work for ||pom blossom||
median oar
styx rooms count for that last one yeah unlike the others
lone lava
Oh wow really?
median oar
but they do count as "encounters" for the purposes of leveling up the keepsake too which is the thing I'm trying to do
so I can get the steam acheesement
lone lava
Yep they do count for leveling them up
Smh bot is so rude
Wont let me say bad words in peace 
dry ember
Bot timed me out before 😤
unique vigil
I'm gonna go check what my rarest achievement is
lone lava
Hahaha
unique vigil
oh it's the thanatos one
dry ember
Reaching the epilogue is like 0% methink
dry ember
Not sure if that increased
median oar
try saying Blood and Darkness
dry ember
Ok
median oar
I have every achievement except the max-rank every keepsake
stoic thicket
The Thanatos keepsake one was easily the most annoying to complete.
unique vigil
I didn't find it hard at all
stoic thicket
I barely use that thing and just got it by a hair's width. Got the final g'dong on the last possible Styx chamber.
median oar
im sure your heart is in the right place but when someone expresses that something is difficult going "i didnt find it hard :)" that's not really helpful
unique vigil
mb, not trying to be rude or anything haha
cunning urchin
Not every message needs to be helpful. Sometimes you just want to share your own experience.
stiff flume
wanted to try something new on chiron bow instead of crit
turned out pretty fun
aww i cant post screenshots?
😔
median oar
just so then, I'll bear that in mind
stoic thicket
Chiron with Sea Storm is a classic.
robust rivet
off topic but imo seastorm plus spear is the most fun
stiff flume
i went demeter with chill stacks
and double special damage from chaos
and special speed from hermes
😂
pew pew
robust rivet
How do you have any control on the bow? it's way too chaotic for me
stiff flume
well chiron focuses your special on one target so thats nice
unique vigil
chiron makes your special all hit one target
my favourite chiron build so far was with impending doom
final scaffold
what's the best weapon+aspect for consistently fast clear for farming darkness?
thick comet
I find zeus shield aspect + zeus special attack always gets a consistently high dps
that I haven't found with any other weapon
stoic thicket
I'd have said Nemesis as well.
It's great because it doesn't need much to function.
unique vigil
is static discharge or double strike better for lightning strike exagryph?
thick comet
I think double strike
drifting vale
I think double strike but i don't use rail often
thick comet
had to make that choice earlier
unique vigil
I don't use rail often either lol
they're both rare so I wasn't sure
I'll get double strike and hopefully I'll get static discharge later
thick comet
although if you get static discharge you can layer it with a Zeus/Demeter Duo that means foes stay jolted for 10s
drifting vale
Wish you best of luck
median oar
I've found sword 4 to be the most 'reliable' dps, in that it doesn't need any particular hammers or boons to perform satisfactorily
unique vigil
I don't really use zeus boons so I forgot that existed
the only thing that I think is super important for sword 4 is swift strike
drifting vale
I can see that but also demeter/talos fists
unique vigil
but it's kinda just a matter of preference for me
thick comet
what's the best weapon+aspect for consistently fast clear for farming darkness?
@final scaffold oh yeah, also chaos boons
unique vigil
speaking of chaos boons
thick comet
often you get one that basically doubles darkness output
unique vigil
I got the legendary one for the first time this run
drifting vale
Yeee chaos for more darkness is great
thick comet
had that my last run, get 1k darkness from redacted
drifting vale
Especially if you can get more than one
unique vigil
an extra death defiance is pretty damn good
drifting vale
It is sadly ive never actually needed it the runs i got it
unique vigil
I generally use acorn over the skelly keepsake
final scaffold
acorn is better in general
since skelly does nothing until you're down to your last life
unique vigil
if you have more than 200 hp it's worse than a normal death defiance I think
bronze sorrel
Wait for lightning strike? I don't think double strike even applies to that.
final scaffold
after a while, feels like last boss is actually easier than theseus and asterius
on average, I probably lose more lives to elysium than the last section
hoary quest
Yeah hades is just a pushover
bronze sorrel
Theseus and Asterius are easy enough normally, with EM3, ughhh
Although EM4 is a pretty solid challenge too
final scaffold
does EM4 add an extra phase?
bronze sorrel
||yes and makes both previous phases harder||
final scaffold
great
untold vortex
@void fjord the MM variant the witches circle fire pretty big projectiles that can't be destroyed
median oar
they can still be deflected
void fjord
but they still should be buffed
untold vortex
yes I'm sure
final scaffold
sounds like you're screwed if you don't have deflect then
void fjord
are you talking abt the shiny projectiles?
thick comet
wew lads, got my shield doing 289 dps rn
median oar
they're bigger but fewer too though it's one of those MMs that doesn't do too much
no you'll definitely notice they're like twice the size of the usual balls
void fjord
hmmm
still dont feel like they pose as much challenge as compared to power couple or the barge
do these projectiles have a shield looking thing around them?
untold vortex
personally I don't find much challange with the barge of death, the power couple can be a pain at times especially with MM
bronze sorrel
||Phase 1 he summons mini-bosses instead of elites
Phase 2 he fires off more skulls, summons more pots and does more lasers, as well as regenerating health and calling in Cerberus.
Phase 3 he does mostly like the second enraged half of phase 2 but your vision is obscured and he starts turning invisible again. Also epic music||
Em 4 details for @final scaffold
untold vortex
I personally think the witches circle is in a fine spot
as someone else put it, a deflect away from being both too hard and too easy
stoic thicket
Yeah, I got ruined by them a few times in mid-heat runs that I think they're fine.
final scaffold
@bronze sorrel wdym by ||my vision is obscured||
bronze sorrel
I think its worth doing EM4 just for the music though
median oar
Is it a set number of rooms per pathway in Styx? or does it vary
void fjord
even without deflect, i always felt them to be ez
but thats my personal opinion, diff from everyone
bronze sorrel
@bronze sorrel wdym by ||my vision is obscured||
@final scaffold ||there's a small circle of light around Zag and everything else is FoW.||
final scaffold
sounds like a fair fight...
bronze sorrel
Very
void fjord
@median oar i think the max amount of rooms you can go to in the whole game is 70
untold vortex
I've seen upwards of 72
bronze sorrel
You get to listen to this sick track though
||https://youtu.be/6NBl9NXBT3g||
drifting vale
The highest room ive gotten to is 71 im not sure how someone got 72
stoic thicket
If you take a chaos or erebus gate right before end-of-biome shop you get an additional room, as the shop (or the free alternative) is never skipped.
turbid halo
Oh neat I didn't know that
drifting vale
Interesting i assumed the 71 was from the extra lore room after redacted
So i guess its possible to hit 74 then
turbid halo
I'll keep that in mind and try to abuse it in future runs
Not chaos though, going into bosses with a chaos curse seems like a bad idea
drifting vale
But also missable to get that 74 counter rooms in the room with skelly
bronze sorrel
I think only 73 cause you can't get chaos/erebus in styx?
drifting vale
Eh practice you get used to all the chaos debuffs
turbid halo
Yeah some are pretty alright
bronze sorrel
Oh darn, can't get any gold in the hydra fight....
drifting vale
Right so 3 from tart, aspho, elys, and then the 4th from extra room that becomes impossible to revisit
turbid halo
But get hurt when you use <primary damage ability> sucks if you need to do the dps
What is this extra room?
drifting vale
Its spoiler so i dont wanna say more than its after you beat redacted
bronze sorrel
Oh I didn't think that counted as a chamber
turbid halo
Oh, I thought you meant that room was some kind of secret room in styx where skelly was hanging out
drifting vale
Ah no in the skelly room if you go up past the keepsakes it tells you highest room count
@bronze sorrel im not certain it does but i think so
drifting vale
I might one day after i complete literally everything
turbid halo
Question: how exactly does deflect work for melee hits? What things need to be overlapping to count?
drifting vale
Your attack needs to hit their fists or at least their direction
Like directly facing them
turbid halo
Okay
I had a run where I got quick massive spin on Guan Yu and was spamming athena spins info a wall. Deflected most things
So I need to hit the enemy or their attack hotbox?
drifting vale
In short yes
I think for example wave makers their attack is the wave so if youre in their face like 1 pixel away its pretty easy to mess up the deflect
Thus still take damage
turbid halo
I mean waves are ranged so I assume you have to actually hit the projectile
drifting vale
You do yes so its real awkward to hit something behind you while facing forward
turbid halo
Yeah
Anyway long story short I'm athena attack guan yu for life thanks to how silly deflect spin is
drifting vale
Nut
turbid halo
Instantly phases tisiphone among other things
drifting vale
Thats fun now you need brilliant riposte
turbid halo
Yep I fish for it so I can fish for the legendary
Been running family favorite on all my runs lately and I suck at backstabbing so expose is low priority
jaunty locust
Hey, who has two thumbs and just figured out that ||the green urns Hades summons in the last fight count as TRAPS||
drifting vale
Do they?
jaunty locust
unless they're supposed to do 111 damage to me
drifting vale
Oop
jaunty locust
well, I had the trap thing on, because I figured that avoiding traps isn't that big of a deal
although, as I found out, lava also counts, so I ended up getting in it for a moment and draining my health like woah
but yes, they uhh, definitely make that a less agreeable one to take for the final fight
final scaffold
I think trap is everything that deals damage that isn't an enemy or enemy's projectile
jaunty locust
ahhh
final scaffold
green soul jars definitely count as traps
turbid halo
I end up in lava a lot
For very dumb reasons
I've lost a lot of DDs to HS in asphodel
final scaffold
HS?
turbid halo
It was even worse back when there were two levels of it for +800%
Heightened security
The pact condition for more trap damage
Also eaten more elysium arrows than I care to admit
jaunty locust
hmm, okay so the instant your speed slows in your dash is where the invulnerability kicks out
learning my timing for keeping invulnerability through both dashes
drifting vale
Really the best way to find out is through a chaos boon but i wont have time to test that for a few days
jade rover
How does rush kick stack up on demeter fists?
From what I gather it's really laggy but hits hard?
orchid viper
lmao just tried em1 for the first time and got my butt kicked 😔
thick comet
so I started using that mod that somebody mentioned, just to see how big I could make the numbers
oh, can't post images I guess
basically ares doom special, zeus shield, ares doom delay + stacking, all maxed out in rarity and level
along with athena attack + dash with the duo that makes athena attacks trigger doom instantly
so far biggest number I've seen is 890
I'm amazed it's even possible within the confines of the game
also, I do not reccomend this, it takes most of the fun out
I mean, it's gonna be fun for a few minutes, but y'know
rapid storm
The Gilgamesh Fists are so OP or its me?
thick comet
Are they OP?
rapid storm
I unlocked today
thick comet
you can get like 150 dps with a zeus shield and the zeus special on it
in asphodel, right out of the gate
just use the zeus keepsake to do it
rapid storm
I maxed with titan blood
thick comet
so like, being able to do 400 damage in one blow, that also causes the enemy to damage you harder
if anything seems less powerful
thick comet
Aah
rapid storm
Also with Lucifer's Rail and the doom with the boon that stacks did too much damage
and the boon that makes it fall later but does 80% more damage
stoic garnet
EM4 is crazy hard, do you get anything for beating it
jaunty locust
by biggest number do you mean biggest single damage number youv'e seen, guitar Kid?
ebon tinsel
i think dialogue n maybe an achievement? cant remember
stoic garnet
theres no achievo
i save scummed a bunch with 3 DD and couldnt beat it, last phase is just too much
feel like a dps race
ebon tinsel
if you kill the urns he wont heal
its not too bad once you get the hang of it, keep at it
its terrible with really high heat tho lol
stoic garnet
i cant see so cant dodge all the crap in last phase
jade rover
I play chaos sheild so I don't have to play good.
ebon tinsel
just keep dodging you can see things kinda
jade rover
plus the special gets rid of urns well
stoic garnet
i cant dodge the companion either when he summons its too fast
ebon tinsel
just dodge to the start of the summon it almost never hits you
so dodge towards the entrance
stoic garnet
whats the entrance bottom left?
ebon tinsel
yeah well to the left of the screen
thick comet
by biggest number do you mean biggest single damage number youv'e seen, guitar Kid?
@jaunty locust yee
jaunty locust
I got 1908
thick comet
oooo
jade rover
I think the most I've seen is around 1400
jaunty locust
it was a hazard bomb with the aphrodite special boost on it, and I used the artemis ability for "marked"
ebon tinsel
you can get like 4k with aspect of ||arthur||
jaunty locust
so it did the extra damage on top of
thick comet
Noice
jaunty locust
that's the highest I've gotten, and yeah, outside of aspects I haven't fully unlocked, I don't see how any of the current weapons could outdo that
ebon tinsel
some people have gotten dionysys hangover to tic for 600 a second so you can get pretty crazy
jaunty locust
that said, I think I'm on track for an escape -- Flurry & Extending jab with heartbreak strike 3, I've got Aphrodite's cast, divine dash, Ares for the impervious call, and I'm doing great on health and defiances. I feel FAIRLY solid about my chances
jade rover
What heat?
jaunty locust
oh, none, but I'm very bad at video games
and I've only escaped once, so I'm not SUPER up on fighting Hades
I have a gamble to make here -- I can grab the 500 cash hermes and hope to get a really good boon (automatic god gauge leveling would be choice, or additional dashes with my divine dash) and an athena and a pom or something... OR... I forgo the hermes and get this nice shiny diamond, which I do very much want
||I am now realizing that an escape reward is worth more to me than a diamond, esp. considering how much I need, and how higher up the chain they are in terms of rewards||
oh, yeah, I got this. The athena dash, hoboy
median oar
My main source of damage taken is traps because I'm a big dumbdumb
turbid needle
if I see my boi hermes on a door I'm picking it no questions asked
median oar
Especially in those elysium rooms where they're arrayed on the bottom edge pointing inwards
I KNOW they're there and have taken damage from them so much but every time I just forget
jaunty locust
the spear pokes hit me WAY more often than a short range spear poke should
median oar
and walking into styx traps that rats activate and taking 120 damage
jaunty locust
hey uhh, why does this say it's my first clear with any weapon when it also says 2 total clears
next moss
what do you mean
jaunty locust
so you know how it lists your clears with each weapon on the victory screen?
jaunty locust
Ahhhhh, does that clear it?
stoic thicket
God Mode and non-God Mode runs are counted seperately.
jaunty locust
ohhhh, yes, that tracks, okay
proven sierra
why sometimes do you get to Styx and none of the four gods you saw Tartarus through Elysium are there, and instead you have completely new gods???
all my hopes and dreams for my current build just got squashed into pieces
the fates are cruel
sturdy wind
can I interest you in some fated authorities in this trying time
proven sierra
lmao
i normally go persuasion
i have seen 1 new god in styx often
but never all new gods
"if i can get one more upgrade to Ares' cast, or Doom effect, or maybe one duo with Artemis, I'll have a real chance"
poseidon and zeus only, final Styx destination
i thought this would finally be the run where i might get a fully-upgraded Ares cast + demeter duo + artemis duo + arctic blast
but i only got halfway there ;_;
lapis matrix
Demeter and Artemis duo are mutually exclusive I think
turbid needle
No longer, but Freezing Vortex effectively neuters Hunting Blades.
proven sierra
^ explain?
turbid needle
FV slows down Blade Rift movement speed, so they move a few inches and then expire.
proven sierra
mmmm, they definitely don't go as far, but they last long enough that they could track a slower-moving or just-finished-attacking enemy for long enough to do extra damage
untold vortex
The extra nail in FV's coffin is it's smaller in size
proven sierra
Right - unless you get the epic version of the Ares boon that increases the size of the blade and you pom it up 4 levels like I did 😉
well, i melted redacted anyway so it's all good
void fjord
@proven sierra if im not mistaken in the description of the demeter ares duo, its explicitly written cast
proven sierra
Ah, that might be
opaque whale
Hey, are dash-dodge builds (with shield for example) "good" in higher heat? They feel great right now but i dont want to get bad habits 😛
proven sierra
dodge is very good. if you can get your timing down, the +50% dodge chance mirror talent is way better than the two dodge one IMO
sturdy wind
dodge chance can be a lifesaver
opaque whale
Ohh i meant dash-strike, sorry (but yeah its really nice! )
stoic thicket
dodge is very good. if you can get your timing down, the +50% dodge chance mirror talent is way better than the two dodge one IMO
@proven sierra Yeah that's a colossal no from me my dude. That second dodge is so incredibly important and I'm not banking on Hermes to maybe give me that.
Ruthless Reflex is fantastic if used with the new Fist aspect, maybe for speedrun shenanigans, otherwise it's double dash all day every day no exceptions.
sturdy wind
upgrading your dash strike is plenty good but I feel it's not something you can really prioritize when all you have to work with is chaos lunge boons, artemis dash, and the occasional hammer
imo if it drops into your lap it's safe to lean into but I wouldn't normally start out with the intent to pursue a dash strike build except just for fun
opaque whale
mhh okay becasue for me it has worked a lot better than focusing on the special so far. So i always end up dashing around and i it feelt nooby so i wanted to ask 😄
sturdy wind
you can get your dps really high if you dash strike properly especially with greatest reflex since it resets your attack timer
it's definitely not nooby
you may find as your boons shape up into a build you start to kind of ignore one or more of your attack/special/cast because they're made irrelevant by your investment in the other options
in particular with the attack/dash strike damage bonus on zag aspect shield it's quite likely to end up just never using the special
opaque whale
exactly, i wanted to build a special build becasue i picked up the eye shield but after one dash and one attack bonus it already felt better to just dash 😄 ok i will invest in zag a bit then
sturdy wind
how much titan's blood have you put into the chaos aspect
it kind of doesn't become good until you level it up enough you get to spam a pile of shields
opaque whale
im at shields, and i think that will be cool later but for now it feels underwhelming
3
...
stoic thicket
Bottom right corner is a safe spot.
rocky trail
so if i unlock zeus i get the thing
main osprey
Not automatically
But yes
You'll need to get a certain dialogue, just like with GY
final agate
Lmao just got super lucky on my third run
I got an upgrade for the sword which heals you +2 for every attack, Zeus’s boon that gives you an electrical attack and Artemis’s boon for critical
Finished fury in my first fight with her lmao
main osprey
Nice!
final agate
Ah yes the spine— I mean the Hydra.
main osprey
Lol
turbid needle
+2 heal carried me all the way to hades on like my fourth run as well
untold vortex
sings to thyself I see the spiiiiiiiiiiiine of the world... oh wait wrong game
turbid needle
I died in two hits but it was still a good time
final agate
Also, strangely despite the fact in bastion I used only ranged weapons I couldn’t use the bow in hades at all
Sad story
fair gull
how fast do you have to clear a room to get the lambent plume bonus
main osprey
@final agate just a word of warning—this channel is likely to have stuff that'll be a spoiler for the story or other content, do you may want to stick to #h1-for-new-players , if you're worried about that
@fair gull varies per room, there's a timer below the keepsake
fair gull
ah thanks!
barren otter
when you step in a pot and Demeter's legendary kills the final boss at the same time
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329633264258252803/760814151533592646/2020-09-30_15-32-38.mp4 ||
maiden cliff
I have a vague memory of seeing a +bonus damage from your obuls, something like +5% of your current obuls as damage, but for the life of me i cant find any reference to that anywhere and dont recall seeing it more than that 1 time, i'd hoped to play around stacking +obul effects.
Did I dream that all up in a COVID isolation fever dream or does it exist somewhere? If so, where?
lapis matrix
No, that's a hammer boon
main osprey
Lol
maiden cliff
Ah!
lapis matrix
Sword only I'm afraid
narrow rampart
Hoarding Slash!
untold vortex
Hoarding slash is good fun :3
narrow rampart
Never used it cuz im always broke 
maiden cliff
OK great, so A) Not something i can reliably get, and B) id be stuck with the sword which im not overly fond of. Which would explain why i havnt seen it again since i rarely use the sword :D
Well thanks for fending off the madness!
lapis matrix
How does one get 5k obols?
main osprey
Ehehehe
narrow rampart
probably with a lot of help from chaos