Last question I promise, what build for shield? Zues special demeter attack is what i came up with but didn't go far
@hollow bison Like the basic zagreus aspect without upgrades? I'd maybe take Curse of Agony or Heartbreak Strike on your attack and then either Heartbreak Flourish or Curse of Pain for your special. See if you can nab curse of longing.
#h1-builds-and-combat
bronze sorrel
hollow bison
Ares is legit on shield?
bronze sorrel
So, generally if you don't have upgrades for Zag shield, your base damage isn't huge, and you'll want to keep the shield up alot, esp if you're learning still, so you won't be attacking alot. Ergo, get Curse of Agony, and you have big damage that doesn't require you to be mashing attack. The delay doesn't matter since you have that anyway.
oblique tusk
wait, is maxed out zag shield actually any good?
hollow bison
Figured
bronze sorrel
with only two shields, this is probably your best bet still
Aphro on special ideally, cause it can get benefit from both attacks
but ya, this will clear mobs well, and you just have to be really patient fighting bosses. Keep the shield up, it'll stop alot of stuff.
you won't be setting speedrun records or anything but it'll get you through your run
bronze sorrel
the bot doesn't like naughty words lol
hollow bison
I dont remember what I typed. Didn't think I said an actual swear
bronze sorrel
speak not of the night yorb
bronze sorrel
Anyone like the spear? Achilles aspect seems good
@topaz prawn Achilles is amazing
dawn barn
bronze sorrel
Achilles is probably my favorite cast weapon
Wield a fancy staff. Teleport around. Nuke enemies for massive damages. Its the ultimate spellcaster experience hades has to offer.
Have you tried it with Hunting Blades, Curse of Drowning, Blizzard Shot or Ice Wine yet?
livid comet
untold vortex
gl ^_^
bronze sorrel
Do Talos Crush Shot
spiral tree
So just got my 3rd clear and it was my first time using spear
This game is getting a lot easier lol
Phase 2 redacted was sooo much easier than phase 1
I was always worried about the skulls wave attack
But instead of killing them it’s just easier to dash through them
So after beating redacted it shows a screen with all my boons and some of them have a gold circle in them
What does that mean?
I can unequip and re equip the good circle to any boon
ornate remnant
Someone said flurry shot with Zeus attack was good and I tried it and man did that suck
bronze sorrel
You mean with Zeus special (Lightning Flourish)
marble sparrow
The game gets easy really fast. Unless you add difficult ||path of pain||.
My only hard runs were until the fast clear. Had my first clear after 39 runs and had my 20th clear after 62 runs. So I won nearly every time
bronze sorrel
Someone said flurry shot with Zeus attack was good and I tried it and man did that suck
@ornate remnant
There's a reason for that. Lightning has a cooldown special. So flurry shot wont strike the same foe with more than one lightning bolt.
unique vigil
do any of you use aspect of lucifer much?
marble sparrow
I tried it once the time I unlocked it. But I lost at the last boss fight...
It felt lackluster. But I need to experiment more. I used the special more than the attack. Even though I had deadalus support for attack.
I had a zeus build.
unique vigil
hmm okay
I was using aspect of eris and idk if I want to use the titan blood on upgrading lucifer
thick onyx
I've got ||Arthur|| sword aspect, and have come across perhaps the most difficult of choice of hermes boons in asphodel- Greater Recall, Swift Strike, or Greater Evasion. I've got Trippy Shot, and Deadly Strike and Deadly Flourish, so all are good. Which, though?!
marble sparrow
It has the big disadvantage that you are kinda immobile. and without the deadalus attack buff ||decreasing the windup time|| you make yourself an easy target.
untold vortex
Ares attack or special and Athena attack or special
stoic thicket
Dash unfortunately doesn't work anymore. You can still trigger it with the dash, it just isn't enough to actually get the boon.
The codex in game has a boon overview now, with requirements.
cunning urchin
@bronze sorrel @ornate remnant just to clarify, that "cooldown" only applies to Thunder Flourish. It doesn't affect Lightning Strike at all. That had nothing to do with it.
small stirrup
@tender loom (from #hades-feedback ) The duo kind of relies on you needing to use infernal soul instead of stygian. Stygian soul doesn't drop a bloodstone so it doesn't make sense being offered Lighting rod if it'd have no effect
worn citrus
I've beaten ||Charon|| twice without ||dying to him in between|| and the prophecy didn't finish. Is it a bug or is there some other condition? Not use death defiances?
modern nebula
Hey guys, what is the best aspect/weapon for a noob looking for consistent clears? I haven't cleared yet 😄
rustic coral
Second bow aspect makes the bosses super easy
rustic coral
Yah, but you need it lvl 4-5 probably for it to really shine
modern nebula
And what should I be hammering
modern nebula
Are melee weapons easier versus ranged weapons?
rustic coral
This aspect really pops off if you hit 4 extra arrows on special
Increased damage for consecutive hits is also good
Eh it depends on play style
modern nebula
I see okay, I don't have that many titan bloods
So I guess I should dump them all there
I only have the initial 6
rustic coral
Hmm
modern nebula
I need to get my first clear to get more from what i've read
rustic coral
Yah exactly
modern nebula
hence why I am asking what's the easiest way to achieve that hhaha
rustic coral
Honestly
modern nebula
So dump it in Chrion & L2P
rustic coral
I think baseline shield is super good for ez first clear
oblique tusk
honestly?
poseidon sword is the easiest in my experience
you just jam artemis's keepsake
and go for a full art cast build
rustic coral
Interesting I’ve never tried that
modern nebula
I'll try the bow first, see if I can beat it lol
oblique tusk
yeah, it got me a lot of my early victories
just running artemis
if you get fully loaded and hermes' faster casting
it's basically gg
even just...pos sword + art cast + exit wounds is good enough in my experience
modern nebula
Doesn't sound that easy tho hah
oblique tusk
but if you get chaos boons for casts or cast damage, support fire, mirage shot, fully loaded, faster casting, etc.
i think i killed redacted in like 20 seconds?
modern nebula
Realized I am in the wrong channel there is one for noobs, sorry I'll head over there
cunning urchin
You're not "wrong" here. Just be mindful that spoilers are mostly allowed in this channel. The channel for new players is spoiler-free, though. 
leaden hare
just I thought that my heat block has ended...... I failed at ||the second phase of [redacted]|| again
I really don't know what I did wrong, I have avoided all enemy enhancing heat choices, but I've been failing a lot since 1.0 is released. Did anything change that I am unaware of?
turbid needle
has anyone else tried building shield with charged shot and demeter cast and then stacking demeter cast and literally standing in a corner
it's absolutely incredible
stoic thicket
Well, new chaos aspect - not a fan.
I feel like one of the nerfs would've been enough, either shotgun instead of scatter or no bounces on the extra shields. Both feel kinda bad.
turbid needle
@worn citrus same happend to me I had to beat him a third time to fullfill the prohecy. so just do that
worn citrus
Ok thanks
unborn inlet
Jury Summons in the heat pact, does it effect how much gold you get over a run? Considering you're fighting more enemies?
cunning urchin
I think so? Probably not that much.
proven osprey
Hey guys, I want to go for a Demeter build, any idea about the weapon ?
cunning urchin
Demeter Aspect?
empty veldt
Whats a good build for ||Gilgamesh|| that doesnt make me kill myself
proven osprey
nah, the freeze thing
cunning urchin
@empty veldt that aspect is a spoiler. Can you spoiler-tag the name or just write Fists 4 or something?
limber pine
artermis attack to swat projectiles away
cunning urchin
Hmmm. You could try Chaos Aspect with Frost Flourish, perhaps?
limber pine
maybe Ares Special to get Duo Boon
empty veldt
yeah i heard about that build @limber pine with ares and athena. Tried it but didnt get the duo boon and died lol
cunning urchin
I've tried quite a few builds yesterday for Fists 4. The only one I was happy with that was doing good DPS was Curse of Agony + Divine Dash + Divine Flourish and get Merciful End.
empty veldt
@cunning urchin interesting, i thought it was the other way around, with Athena on attack and Ares on special
cunning urchin
No, you want Doom on Attack and your Dash to trigger Merciful End.
Then you can just hold down Attack + Dash, pretty much.
Best hammer is Breaching Cross.
@proven osprey actually, maybe you would like Achilles Aspect for her? It buffs both Attack and Cast, and uses the Special a lot, so you can focus on any of them or get boons from her on all of them to apply Chill as you please.
chrome geyser
I saw a feedback message saying that athena dash can't put exposed
Wut?
That's wrong. It does
cunning urchin
No idea, that's the first I've heard of that not working.
proven osprey
hey why not
limber pine
what does the exposed status look like, black sweat droplets?
chrome geyser
little glitter around the enemy heads
you can tell; if they have some other status
when you dash through them they get privileged
the glitter effect is a bit subtle; compared to others
but its there
last rapids
Any ideas for an interesting gun build?
limber pine
yeah I see the privileged icon pop up every now and then, what about the small black droplets effect?
onyx folio
best gun build is the 5 bomb special hammer
limber pine
ah ic, thanks for info 🙂
chrome geyser
np
cunning urchin
@proven osprey Crystal Clarity, Blizzard Shot, Cold Fusion, and Ice Wine are very strong Duo Boons she has. So look out for those gods, I would say. 
onyx folio
then get artemis/zeus special and obliterate
chrome geyser
5 rocket bombs.
I always think cold fusion is very situational
only if you can't do zeus attacks very often
onyx folio
dont pick up poseidon special though unless you want suffering
chrome geyser
or to melt snakestones and theseus
zeus special sounds pretty bad on the rocket tbh
or the bombard
onyx folio
massive aoe with chain lightning for each hit
leaden belfry
i think i am at the end
proven osprey
I will @cunning urchin !
onyx folio
:/
leaden belfry
final boss
oblique field
I just ran with the 4th Bow aspect, with the Twin Shot and Explosive Shot Hammer upgrades. Basically turned it into a melee weapon.
leaden belfry
oh god
chrome geyser
zeus special is bolt; not chain lightning
sinful wigeon
good luck
last rapids
thanks!
onyx folio
yeah i know, but it chains to each enemy for decent damage and applies jolted for privilege
leaden belfry
yep i am definetly i am infront of ||hades||
chrome geyser
i mean you will probably get better dps with % increases since bombard is high damage
onyx folio
plus it hits everything in range like 10 times per special
chrome geyser
does it bolt enemies struck; or the site of the bomb?
onyx folio
enemies struck
sinful wigeon
I just saw credits last night. Crazy how much time I've put in and it still feels like there's so much to do/discover.
cunning urchin
I just do Lightning Strike + Divine Dash + Support Fire on Eris or Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air on Hestia.
onyx folio
artemis is probably ideal but its boring
sinful wigeon
I struggle to make a good artemis build.
leaden belfry
well ofcourse i died
sinful wigeon
feels like she's the onyl god I can invest in and face the end with a built that just feels weak
sinful wigeon
@leaden belfry AGAIN!
onyx folio
basically any high damage special skill with through the roof crit will propel you into endgame
sinful wigeon
@leaden belfry Feels impossible now, but I promise you you'll be killing him without losing a death defiance much sooner than you think
sinful wigeon
Once you've beat him once you'll rarely lose unless you start increasing the difficulty.
@onyx folio Yeah I clearly just need to keep trying. Something's not clicking.
onyx folio
hm
sinful wigeon
Dio or Zeus probs my most reliable
onyx folio
aphrodite is my go-to
sinful wigeon
I like her special
onyx folio
aphrodite cast is pretty cringe but the rest of her boons are amazing
sinful wigeon
but I always wants to take dps over reducing incoming damage
leaden belfry
is ||demeter|| good?
sinful wigeon
percentage, but her effect does't, and that's what I usually build for, stacking effects so that the damage just keeps pouring in even if i only hit a few times
there's lots of ways to play the game of course.
She's great for a big hitting special
onyx folio
yeah, but it does contribute to privilege
cunning urchin
Sword Attack
Spear Attack
Spear Special
Shield Attack
Shield Special
Bow Attack
That's where you would want Deadly Strike or Flourish.
sinful wigeon
@leaden belfry Her cast is broken
untold quiver
@cunning urchin - I happened into Merciful end fists last night...amazing! ......what do you do with the rest of your boon choices after you have devine dash, curse of agony and merciful end?
onyx folio
shield special?
leaden belfry
ill try it when i get her again
sinful wigeon
At least in base difficulty
cunning urchin
@untold quiver avoid them so I can pick more poms on Curse of Agony?
onyx folio
i guess the damage is decent
cunning urchin
Pretty much.
sinful wigeon
Just plop them down and keep out of trouble
cunning urchin
Support Fire is still a solid choice if you can get it just to get even more damage.
sinful wigeon
@onyx folio I'll try and all into aphrodite run next
onyx folio
support fire is great
sinful wigeon
Honestly it seems like all god and all weapons are viable once you get used to them
cunning urchin
But you honestly don't need anything at that point. Merciful End seals the run.
Anything after that is just extra.
untold quiver
@cunning urchin okay...I didn't see anything else that really builds on the interaction, just wanted to check.
cunning urchin
Everything is viable up to a certain Heat.
sinful wigeon
Yeah, I dont like pos for attack because I dont want to knock enemies away. I want to kill them
proven osprey
damn maimed eclipse
sinful wigeon
Yeah I'm still at low heat
proven osprey
I can grab 158 gems
sinful wigeon
I'm sure I've got a lot to learn
cunning urchin
What's low heat for you?
sinful wigeon
Very low. Just did an 8 and about to move up.
cunning urchin
Ah gotcha. Yeah, you can kind of do whatever you want there.
sinful wigeon
only saw end credits yesterday
cunning urchin
Some builds will be stronger than others, of course.
sinful wigeon
I'm new to this sort of game tbh, not normally my thing, but I love supergiant so gave it a go at 1.0
and its amazing
what level would you say it gets really tough?
cunning urchin
Errr . . . 40+, but I'm not exactly the standard lol.
sinful wigeon
I doubt I'll ever get there
but who knows
still dont have any companions, maybe that will help
untold vortex
then again there's no real standard for Hades, do whatever is fun for you ^_^
untold quiver
@sinful wigeon it's going to really depend on what you use to get the heat level..... I'm working on 16 heat right now, but can fail a much lower one like say no heals and max tight deadline
sinful wigeon
yeah, thats true. some of the heat criteria sound crazy.
I'm mostly doing more enemies and tougher bosses at the moment
and it's not a big step up
untold quiver
With some weapons I crank up the room difficulty and leave the bosses alone, with others I crank the bosses all the way because I can handle them better than heavy rooms
cunning urchin
I think up to 32, you can still do whatever you want with your build depending on what pacts you choose. @spark lotus did a Dash-only run at 32 Heat just yesterday.
As in, the build isn't the limiting factor there.
sinful wigeon
Do the companions make a big difference?
untold quiver
@sinful wigeon they can....try are some utility, or burst damage, or healing mid fight
sinful wigeon
Haven't unlocked them yet, though I've seen end credits. Assumed they wer elate game and so useful. Looking forward to getting them. Healing mid fight sounds good, but knowing me I'll go for burst damage
silk anvil
I think up to 32, you can still do whatever you want with your build depending on what pacts you choose. @spark lotus did a Dash-only run at 32 Heat just yesterday.
@cunning urchin
I wanna see that run owo
cunning urchin
They linked it in #self-promotion.
clear dome
is Maim Doom good?
abstract juniper
Does anyone have any advice for using the bow? I cringe every time I see it has darker thirst because urhghghdhdh it's not easy for me to use
solid cairn
@abstract juniper have you tried the hidden aspect
solid cairn
the bow one
abstract juniper
I will take that in mind hehe
solid cairn
rama is like the only one I find fun
clear dome
fun, but painful to use
abstract juniper
I'm so bad with the bow I've only made it past Elysium- then death
solid cairn
wdym painful to use
tidal hawk
Beat ||em4 with 2 defiances left||
abstract juniper
ooohhh wow
that's crazy
I do the most with the fists or shield
I try to avoid the gun, spear, and bow ;-;
solid cairn
I've sort of taken a break from trying to get the highest heat
tidal hawk
20 heat was fun
hollow geyser
hows Doom work with multiple hits? Does it only apply a new doom after last one dealt damage?
solid cairn
highest heat is 17 with guan yu
solid cairn
there is a boon for that
tidal hawk
😄
hollow geyser
cheers
solid cairn
I stan rama now
abstract juniper
omg I am deleting things with chiron this is great
silk anvil
Chiron is a bit funky to me; it seems to delete things up to the point where it suddenly stops
spark lotus
@silk anvil Which point do you mean?
abstract juniper
welp I already started my run wrong lol
molten canopy
How does the combo mechanic work for Merciful End?
silk anvil
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, get Heart Rend.
@cunning urchin
Foolish me, I had basically this, but flipped.
empty veldt
yeah, need the crit on the special, for chiron.
If every bolt crits the damage is massive
robust anchor
does zues proc for each arrow on special
drifting vale
Pretty sure it doesn't
spark lotus
@robust anchor Zeus bolts have 200msec cooldown
robust anchor
sadge
drifting vale
You get like 2/3 procs
hollow geyser
also is Doom damage affect by backstab bonus stuff?
spark lotus
It would be so imbalanced otherwise lol
barren otter
also is Doom damage affect by backstab bonus stuff?
no, status curses aren't affected by backstabs
clear dome
how good is doom maim?
robust anchor
i have been not impressed with hidden fist
drifting vale
Maim just takes too long to go off for me
I can usually just kill them before it goes off
empty veldt
it gives damage amp, not just the maim damage, one of the hammer upgrades increases the damage amp as well
unborn inlet
I take it that if you do a run at say 10 heat and get the bounties from it, and then jump to say 20 heat, you don't get 11-19's bounties?
robust anchor
you do not
robust anchor
lets say you are at 10 heat and jump to 20. it just gives the bounty for 10
unborn inlet
Ah, this is going to take a while then.
limber lotus
So if you do 20 heat 10 times it'll give you the same rewards as doing 11 through 20?
robust anchor
yes
chrome geyser
can anyone explain to me how exactly curse of longing, merciful end,dire misfortune and impending doom interact?
silk anvil
@silk anvil Which point do you mean?
@spark lotus
In my run, it wasnt crazy high heat or anything, maybe like 15/16? I put aphro on my secondary and was doing really well early game, but late game took ages to bring down a single Shield mook; I had pumped poms into crit chance, so I had about 10% crit on everything, epic aphro secondary, hammer boon to bring me to 9 shots on secondary, rare crit on primary attack, and shield dash, I believe
Damage just wasnt there; Wasnt any pact that shouldve made enemies ludicrously tanky, but I just felt like I was slapping them with wet noodles
chrome geyser
like when I have curse of longing and impending doom; does the reapplication frequency decrease?
Dire misfortune does it add up to the new application queued with the curse of longing?
hearty elbow
@silk anvil Whay aspect?
silk anvil
@silk anvil Whay aspect?
@hearty elbow
Chiron, my favorite bow but it doesnt favor me ;~;
hearty elbow
Finish upgrading the blood
silk anvil
Its max upgrade yo
chrome geyser
Chiron is not good until fully upgraded
humble path
Chiron is huge!
hearty elbow
Relentless Volley should give you 11
chrome geyser
on top of that; concentrated volley just melts everyone
humble path
My bad!
untold vortex
ty ^_^
silk anvil
I dont remember what relentless volley gives +-wise. I just remember always seeing "special 9 -> 7"
And I just know I always pick up the hammer to spam more special because why wouldnt you?
chrome geyser
it gives +4; so in others it takes from 9 to 13, on chiron from 7 to 11, on rama from 3 to 7
chiron is so good though
i don't like using others
silk anvil
Ah, well then I amend my previous recounting and being bad at math to say "11" special arrows, still quantifies to being a wet noodle for whatever reason
chrome geyser
that's weird
silk anvil
the run was last friday, so forgive the fogginess
chrome geyser
truly weird
chrome geyser
cause its a lot of damage
hearty elbow
On chiron I never use the special by itself. Attack cancels into special so well. And I typically reverse your boons, with Aphro attack and Arty Special.
chrome geyser
I suggested that today to someone lol; rocket is one of my favs
rail absolute favorite
humble path
Yeaah
clear dome
rocket rail is like, it invalidates the attack
hearty elbow
It could be that you're trying too hard to get multiple specials in per attack.
chrome geyser
but lucifer is the most fun with rail
silk anvil
Either way, theres like a weird switch in my games where damage just doesnt seem to be what it once was. And sure I could play perfectly and spend about 15 seconds per mook, but... that's a drag
chrome geyser
take a break from playing
silk anvil
I wanna be Zag-GoFast-Sanic-Man
chrome geyser
maybe you got the roguelike slump
silk anvil
It could be that you're trying too hard to get multiple specials in per attack.
@hearty elbow
I usually do a standard combo of "left click > special > special > repeat"
hearty elbow
That's the issue
Just alternate between attacking and specialing.
There's a nonzero delay between when you can special.
That can just be filled with another attack
chrome geyser
for me it attack, dash, special, dash, special, dash, repeat
repositioning for the win
silk anvil
Even with increased special speed from hermes?
chrome geyser
also try to land backstab
special speed reduced time for the volley to go out; but not sure about cooldown
hearty elbow
No clue with Hermes tbh.
silk anvil
@chrome geyser this run in particular I got heart rend and was purposefully curving shots even when I wasnt behind someone to get backstabs
chrome geyser
it does reduce cooldown on special on the rail
I dunno what to say; when I have that build i melt final upgraded boss in few hits
hearty elbow
I just know that it's easy to assume that special should be most of your damage on Chiron, but it is still a bow, and you should still be attacking a lot of the time.
spark lotus
With epic Hermes delay is so small you can actually chain multiple volleys into one for insane Relentless Volley stacking
chrome geyser
I consider attack the status applier; as opposed to the volley, on chiron
silk anvil
So what, the special fire-rate is on it's own cooldown independent of the main attack? So main-attack after special doesnt detract any lost time (well, mechanically)
spark lotus
Concentrated Volley* sorry
hearty elbow
Yeah it's possible that with Swift Flourish it shrinks sufficiently to use it multiple times, haven't been offered more than common yet and it didn't feel nearly significant enough
spark lotus
Just look at heat, at the EM4 and HP here https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/758027587158147242
hearty elbow
Yeah alternating lets you always be doing something. There should be no waiting for a cooldown or repositioning without damage
silk anvil
Just look at heat, at the EM4 and HP here https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/758027587158147242
@spark lotus
Lmao, ye dont even have a boon on your primary? Pure heartbreaker?
spark lotus
I was playing doom special, it was fine, but then I noticed something was wrong on bosses
silk anvil
Not enough single target damage?@spark lotus
hearty elbow
Lmao, no with concentrated + relentless you could no-boon bosses to death
spark lotus
Enough. Traded that insane single target damage for decent one and for good AoE
If not for that stacking
Which ruined my attempt >:(
It was too easy
silk anvil
Lmao, no with concentrated + relentless you could no-boon bosses to death
@hearty elbow
Does Concentrated Volley only apply for the duration of a single volley and then reset? I wish "consecutive" was a bit more clear
spark lotus
Usually yes, one volley and then its cooldown is longer that CV's cooldown
silk anvil
It was too easy
@spark lotus
So, just so I'm clear, you're saying the heartbreaker was insane single target damage, and you wanted to try out Ares for CC and 'okay' single target damage, but it never worked out?
spark lotus
Usual builds with pure damage are very good in terms of damage, but they suck if your room is full of foes like, say, Witches
So I switched to Curse of Pain with all doom support, which allowed me to spray the mobs pack
And with Dire Misfortune dooms still were doing decent damage to bosses
leaden belfry
oh god i actually died to the hydra somehow
spark lotus
I think Doom Chiron is well-rounded.
silk anvil
oh god i actually died to the hydra somehow
@leaden belfry perfect dodging onto lava
sacred notch
Honestly, lava's the most dangerous thing to me in Asphodel
silk anvil
I think Doom Chiron is well-rounded.
@spark lotus oh yes, I finally see now it was doom on special, my b if I sounded confusing heretofore
Yeah, I think that was my issue with trash mobs; single target damage still wasnt there to really nuke em pain free as it wouldve been to spray and pray with doom
spark lotus
I think I've actually formulated it not very clearly
I think I need to record Doom Chiron
Love it
silk anvil
I'm inclined to believe that dire misfortune probably is good on chiron alone, I'm still struggling to justify it on other weapons like fist
spark lotus
If not ME, I would maybe play Dire Misfortune fists
silk anvil
if not ME
You dont do fists?@spark lotus
spark lotus
Same idea - dash through the room and deal Doom everywhere, or focus on a single target and stack it to the roof
@silk anvil I do, it's the second weapon I've beat 32 on (after old Chaos shield)
silk anvil
Idk, I crunched the numbers ;~; that no one seemed to care about; but in terms of clear potential, I feel like Zeus lightning is just the way to go on them
spark lotus
Zeus is good
empty veldt
What cast works well with Hera
spark lotus
Old ME which could be assembled in Tartarus is better :)
silk anvil
The caveat is that DoomFist does more damage if you only plan on punching someone <7~8 times. Jury is still out on fist-attack speed
Old ME which could be assembled in Tartarus is better :)
@spark lotus pls bear with me, I'm dumb and dont recognize acronyms
final trench
How do you even meet Hera?
empty veldt
Hera aspect for the bow
final trench
Oh. Haha
unkempt pagoda
hera i love to go trippy shot with both duos (with zeus and demeter)
since trippy shot is placed on attack, there's no lobbing time to wait for
spark lotus
@empty veldt Speedrunners use Athena or Poseidon I think
empty veldt
What about at high heat?
fresh coral
Does damage resist stack additively or multiplicatively?
unkempt pagoda
you don't need more crit chance, at max 30% is pretty good enough
austere axle
Then what is good?
unkempt pagoda
artemis' main downfall is her low raw damage bonus, nemesis can get around that
cunning urchin
@austere axle Heartbreak Strike, Divine Strike, or Deadly Strike.
empty veldt
I like putting Aphro on Attack, and Artemis on the special, since the special on nemesis gives crit chance anyway, so you get the better attack percentage
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
unkempt pagoda
aphrodite attack, really, she has the highest attack bonus
cunning urchin
Typically.
austere axle
Alright thanks
magic dagger
if you have ice wine there's no reason for hera
because there's no lobbing time anyways
austere axle
For aspect of nemesis whats the best between breaching slash / piercing wave / dash nova
silk anvil
Old ME which could be assembled in Tartarus is better :)
@spark lotus
Which boon combo is ME? For the life of me I cant find it
if you have ice wine there's no reason for hera
because there's no lobbing time anyways
@magic dagger
Mighty bold of you to assume Demeter will give you ice wine in a timely fashion
spark lotus
@silk anvil Merciful End, Ares+Athena duo
silk anvil
@silk anvil Merciful End, Ares+Athena duo
@spark lotus ah yes
spark lotus
On fists it was Ares attack + Athena dash which triggered doom every time you dashed near foe
cunning urchin
Getting any Duo Boon is pretty easy once you have experience with the game and your mirror maxed.
empty veldt
And yet feel sadder when it doesnt appear
spark lotus
It still works but you need Athena special to unlock ME
cunning urchin
I'd say one of the biggest mistakes less experienced players make in that regard is not avoiding gods they don't need.
silk anvil
It was triggered, or still is? @RmVw
Merciful end seems legit, I've not really bothered with Ares as of late, but I want to understand Aphro+Ares duo, where it "continually proc's"
I'd say one of the biggest mistakes less experienced players make in that regard is not avoiding gods they don't need.
@cunning urchin
But they gave us a dark mirror upgrade for more damage per god!
spark lotus
@silk anvil It's still triggered and works just as before, it's unlock requirements that changed
silk anvil
@silk anvil It's still triggered and works just as before, it's unlock requirements that changed
@spark lotus I gotchu; but now you need an attack/special to get it, rather than her dash alone?
I should spend a sec studying the boon charts
spark lotus
@spark lotus I gotchu; but now you need an attack/special to get it, rather than her dash alone?
@silk anvil Exactly. Either attack or special is required and is enough, and both is enough too
Logic 
weary cargo
How do you guys use shield of chaos ? Tried to use it with zeus but it doesnt work as well now (zeus counts as 1 hit )
cunning urchin
The point is that if you start with e.g. Curse of Agony, the first of 4 god slots is Lord Ares, the other 3 are random. So any of the other 3 can be Lady Athena. If you take a second god now that's not Lady Athena, only 2 slots are random and can be boons from her. So you're less likely to see a boon from her now.
silk anvil
Logic :pepesmart:
@spark lotus ; surely you need something to apply doom, no? Or does a revenge doom proc work just as well
I should also spend a sec hunting down whoever said water guns were the way to go; knockback is negligible still, i feel. I'm waiting for the moment Poseidon gives me double-knocback to see if damage suddenly comes online, but it's really silly to only plunk people for 9 damage when they hit a wall
empty veldt
Umm why dont u just use Zeus with aspect of Eris, its incredibly powerful. Or if you're using Zaegrus aspect, i believe shotgun crit is the way to go
silk anvil
The point is that if you start with e.g. Curse of Agony, the first of 4 god slots is Lord Ares, the other 3 are random. So any of the other 3 can be Lady Athena. If you take a second god now that's not Lady Athena, only 2 slots are random and can be boons from her. So you're less likely to see a boon from her now.
@cunning urchin
If you skip the 2nd god, wouldnt that still just give you 2 gods to chose from later?
empty veldt
Yeah poseidon gun seems incredibly odd
cunning urchin
No, that slot will remain random because you didn't take anything.
unkempt pagoda
you'd still have 3 gods
silk anvil
Hm, I think I got it; game only ever gives up to 4 gods a run then?
cunning urchin
Right
silk anvil
Nifty
cunning urchin
- Lord Hermes + Master Chaos.
magic dagger
- anything you force after getting 4 gods
cunning urchin
You can also add a 5th etc. to the pool with keepsakes.
spark lotus
5th and 6th, and remaining 7th will ||help Theseus||
tidal hawk
Theseus
spark lotus
As far as I understand it
magic dagger
can you get more than one boon from a forced god?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
Anything and everything.
spark lotus
"NOT AGAIN"
@tidal hawk In that case you get first room hammer
silk anvil
Hermes + chaos + ~~hephaestus ~~ Daedalus
That makes sense. So, let's say I trinket to start the run, does that mean the first god boon I find with that trinket is in addition to the 4 random god slots? Or does it take away the first slot? (E.g. should you only equip a god trinket after you have your random 4)
magic dagger
common athena attack is good
cunning urchin
Common is fine, though. 
magic dagger
get curse of pain and merciful end
tidal hawk
Nah
magic dagger
sell your athena attack
empty veldt
Athena works with everything all the time
magic dagger
then get epic dio attack and curse of nausea
easy game
spark lotus
I kinda want Doom dash.
cunning urchin
Supposedly she does not work with Rail 4. So Rail 4 is bottom tier.
unkempt pagoda
works with 4th rail special
fair plinth
5 fountains with rare strong drink - 20% damage buff is pog
cunning urchin
That can't be.
unkempt pagoda
you can place down deflective towers, which is kinda cool
tidal hawk
pog champion
barren otter
Special of Rail 4 was definitely working with deflect.
cunning urchin
I mean as in it's just avoided by most people.
I've no idea. I've only tried the aspect 2 times on 56 Heat and didn't make it out of Tartarus. So I didn't like it.
Wait no, 55 Heat. Anyway.
The great thing about Hades is there are so many aspects and builds, if you don't like something, there's always another aspect you can play instead that you haven't really tried yet or played in awhile.
cunning urchin
It's not for free, you give up the other choices that he offers.
empty veldt
The universal concept of opportunity cost
cunning urchin
It heals you for 0% if you max out Lasting Consequences lol.
empty veldt
Does getting multiple chaos boon of the same type stack?
cunning urchin
You would if you also used AP2 and didn't have rerolls.
robust anchor
yes
bronze geyser
What would be a good hangover focused build? Every time I go for hangover, it feels so underwhelming compared to the other status curses
magic dagger
hangover, some doom, curse of nausea
then pom the hangover until it's 30 damage per tick
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air + Dionysus' Aid.
unkempt pagoda
Eris:
- Dio, of course
- Ares (preferably Slicing Shot), to get Curse of Nausea
- Artemis, to get Splitting Headache
- Aphrodite, to get Low Tolerance
then you get hunting blades, because you can!
bronze geyser
Thanks, guys, I'll try for a couple of these
cunning urchin
I thought you get Heart Rend and forget about the rest.
tidal hawk
Uh
So remember opportunity cost
So its either Epic Artemis Attack
or exit wounds
I hate it here
bronze geyser
Rip
cunning urchin
Attack.
unkempt pagoda
heart rend stacks well with splitting headache
cunning urchin
Attack, yes.
tidal hawk
welp
I took attack
And then I upgraded 2 boons to next rarity
The 2 boons were after party and Divine dash
So sad
WAIT
cunning urchin
I almost always take Nectar now. Much better lottery.
red acorn
Had a good run with Eris just now. Lightning Strike + Flurry Fire + Hunting Blades + Divide Dash & Protection
wheat wadi
Woops
I just unlocked last aspect for spear and || Guan yu with chill and chill blast is so good||
I have no idea how to get a sub twenty minutes run though
heady relic
Just had the goofiest build and I loved it. Aspect of Arthur, Calculated Risk, Divine Strike.
I call it A Kid in King Arthur's Court because you're just standing still playing baseball the whole time.
wheat wadi
What's the pre req for tracking duo? I've never seen it
spark lotus
It's Crystal Clarity duo with Artemis, don't remember prereqs
According to wiki it's Demeter cast and either of Artemis attack, special, call or dash
rare kayak
wheat wadi
how do I unlock guan yu?
@spiral tree
It's in the pinned messages for story & spoilers channel, but you also have to wait for RNG to kick in and have Achilles talk to you about it
robust anchor
how do you guys build zag spear
potent ember
zag spear is special rigged so special build for basics
wheat wadi
Special rigged?
magic dagger
special focused
potent ember
it gives like +25% special dmg
wheat wadi
Ah okay
magic dagger
get explosive launcher
or just avoid zag spear because it's actually pretty bad compared to the others
robust anchor
i tried doom special it felt fine. aphro special also felt decent but neither really felt awesome
spiral tree
ares aid or curse of pain both epic?
potent ember
what weapon/aspect
there are a ton of factors
ares aid is good for invlunerable frames and dodging attacks for free.
special will depend on weapon and build
unkempt pagoda
died trying to use rama 💔
robust anchor
sadge
unkempt pagoda
i think the issue was JS and DC2
empty veldt
Whats JS and DC2
unkempt pagoda
jury summons and damage control 2
empty veldt
Oh ok ok
unkempt pagoda
difficulty modifiers from the pact, increases enemy numbers and grants 2 invulnerability hits per enemy
empty veldt
My clear with Rama at EM4 was way too close for comfort
Yeah i got it, just didnt know the abbreviations
I like seeing the big numbers but left exposed for too long, so i returned back to Zagreus to build up heat, only at 18 rn
solid cairn
for gilgamesh should I go zeus attack
lament creek
probably not
percentage increase will give you more damage for sure
gilgamesh attack hits for like 60 or something ridiculous like that
solid cairn
also, what casts do you recommend for beowulf
unkempt pagoda
passion flare
unkempt pagoda
oh no, the special with charged throw is the most broken build with beo
magic dagger
special is amazing
solid cairn
wut
unkempt pagoda
i just assumed you wanted to play beo as intended
magic dagger
unkempt pagoda
charged throw increases the damage and the throw time is decreased
magic dagger
let's think about this for a moment
unkempt pagoda
it's the ultimate BONK build
solid cairn
what about the other special hammers
unkempt pagoda
eh
dry ember
Lysol, where is that image from?
dry ember
dang
magic dagger
my control scheme will reign forever
dry ember
weirdchamp
glad plaza
is... athena actually broken for basic attack?
I mean you can spam it willy nilly and be borderline immune to damage unless you forget to dodge
glad plaza
I mean yeah bow isn't going to cut it
but basically if I ever get an athena start I'll finish it without even thinking too much
silk anvil
charged throw increases the damage and the throw time is decreased
@unkempt pagoda
Is throw time decreased?
stiff flume
whats a nice build with coronacht aspect of hera?
going for 15 heat
and i havent played this aspect at all yet
sounds pretty weird
unkempt pagoda
"throw time" meaning that you can just tap the button and your special will come out, rather than waiting for a second like regular beo
silk anvil
whats a nice build with coronacht aspect of hera?
@stiff flume
Any of em; people earlier were hyping up Dio cast, pair with Zeus duo or demeter duo or both
magic dagger
it's like charged skewer with GY, it actually makes it faster at minimum charge
silk anvil
"throw time" meaning that you can just tap the button and your special will come out, rather than waiting for a second like regular beo
@unkempt pagoda
Wait, so the charged throw build on beo that everyone is talking about, yall didnt actually charge it? Just spam the special as fast as possible?
unkempt pagoda
see, you can charge it, for massive damage
stiff flume
i dont really understand the aspect at all, whats the difference between loading the shards into my bow or just casting them manually
unkempt pagoda
but you also have the option to tap it for slightly less massive damage
silk anvil
it's like charged skewer with GY, it actually makes it faster at minimum charge
@magic dagger, I thought the charge hammer for spear was to literally just increase speed tho
unkempt pagoda
i dont really understand the aspect at all, whats the difference between loading the shards into my bow or just casting them manually
when you attack after loading, the casts will come out where the attack lands
stiff flume
ye but why is that such a big advantage, i can just manually cast them where i want 🤔
silk anvil
i dont really understand the aspect at all, whats the difference between loading the shards into my bow or just casting them manually
@stiff flume
You "load em into bow" and then your next shot carries the casts with it and explodes on/in the next target you hit
unkempt pagoda
it changes where your casts are shot from; hera specializes in safe burst damage and getting your casts back to you quickly
magic dagger
trippy shot, for instance, really is different
makes the fog blast instant
there's no lob time
silk anvil
Itll take some getting used to, but it's also like the equivalent of getting Herme's fast cast
ornate remnant
@bronze sorrel no i was talking about attack with the chain lightning and flurry shot
silk anvil
You'll notice the difference between spending 2~3 seconds casting each stone individually vs. Nuking down an enemy instantly and doing so immediately with another triple-loaded shot
but you also have the option to tap it for slightly less massive damage
@unkempt pagoda
I'm sad I missed the 400% damage throw phase
As it stands, 200% isnt appealing enough to use a shield
stiff flume
lol ye youre right, this feels pretty different already
unkempt pagoda
tbf, it's 200% multiplicative
bronze sorrel
@bronze sorrel no i was talking about attack with the chain lightning and flurry shot
@ornate remnant
Ya, sorry, I got mixed up, I was thinking of relentless volley, so I thought you meant special cause I was thinking of that
primal hazel
Sometimes when I mark someone with chiron, special still fires a fan
Probably when I fire immediately after marking someone
That should be fixed imo
primal hazel
Zeus gun could be an option
Zeus attack
If you're feeling comfortable spreadfire and piercing fire
tidal hawk
so uh
Trippy shot
heroic
324 damage
hmmm
Plus hera bow
HMMMM
3 CASTS
HMMM
1000 DAMAGE
primal hazel
Lysol aka dps gang
magic dagger
darn straight
drowsy matrix
anyone else with me that Dionysus' Trippy Shot for the cast is a little OP to have in the arsenal? so far it's my favorite boon for casting, especially if you can get it paired with High Tolerance and then create a little damage reduction space for yourself
primal hazel
Eh
magic dagger
Trippy Shot is very powerful but slow
primal hazel
Trade of is you can't use it in succession
leaden belfry
Zeus gun could be an option
@primal hazel i would but i suck at gun XD
tidal hawk
and 3 casts
leaden belfry
i can try tho
magic dagger
it's good for burst damage in a large area, and therefore room clears
tidal hawk
No downsides
primal hazel
Cause it has to vanish first
tidal hawk
At all
magic dagger
but by itself it's not overpowered
primal hazel
What's your fac weapon kampf?
fair plinth
can someone explain "rare crop" boon?
primal hazel
*fav
drowsy matrix
yeah OP may have been an exaggeration, but still a useful combo for sure
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot is okay.
fair plinth
does it reduce a random boon down to common quality, then upgrades it every 3 rooms until heroic?
tidal hawk
yes
primal hazel
It sets your boons to common and upgrades their rarity with encounters
tidal hawk
thats exactly how it works
leaden belfry
my fav weapon is spear
magic dagger
it can also pick two or three, depending on its own rarity
tidal hawk
Sorry
primal hazel
You can see the requirements bin the codex
magic dagger
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
tidal hawk
BRUH
magic dagger
stahp
cunning urchin
half crater
#noregrets
magic dagger
On that note, I have, not counting casual fun runs, 26 attempts and 0 clears since 1.0 hit
drowsy matrix
you know, i've been tempted to restart my counts as an official 1.0 count......it would only be 2 attempts off honestly
half crater
have you reset your game after every run tho
magic dagger
yes
magic dagger
I'm trying to get a first-run on the leaderboards
half crater
fair enough
cunning urchin
So what you die for then?
ornate remnant
what are some boons people like on ||gilgamesh||
cunning urchin
That seems counterproductive.
cunning urchin
That aspect is spoilers.
But the answer is Merciful End.
Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish + Divine Dash, and get the Duo.
cunning urchin
More dashes means more opportunity to trigger ME.
half crater
then sell divine flourish lol
cunning urchin
No. You'll just be offered Special boons instead of ones you actually care for if you do that.
cunning urchin
A run that has every cast duo and no cast boon would be entertaining on some level.
rare marsh
Is there an up-to-date guide for Mirror of Night? Jawless Paul's seems slightly outdated.
cunning urchin
I can share what I wrote for somebody else yesterday. Sec.
magic dagger
if you just sell a demeter boon after grabbing stubborn roots, it's kind of lame
it's only good if selling your prereq makes the duo worthless
rare marsh
@cunning urchin Sure!
cunning urchin
This is what I use:
Shadow Presence
N/A because I full-time LC4
Stubborn Defiance
Greater Reflex
Boiling Blood
Infernal Soul/Stygian Soul depending on aspect
Deep Pockets
Thick Skin
Privileged Status/Family Favorite depending on build
Olympian Favor (but bablo says Dark Foresight is broken so I've started to give it a try)
God's Pride
Fated PersuasionFiery Presence maybe for some aspects like Hestia, though I think I take Shadow Presence more often with that. Also, I say "Privileged Status/Family Favorite depending on build," but honestly I run Family Favorite like 90% of the time. Infernal Soul I only use on Beowulf and Hera. I'd use it for Poseidon Aspect, but I don't really play that.
barren otter
Is there an up-to-date guide for Mirror of Night? Jawless Paul's seems slightly outdated.
https://youtu.be/MeX_O18y_rE
ornate remnant
ME sounds good on it
rare marsh
Pref between Olympian Favour and Family Favourite?
cunning urchin
They're not mutually exclusive options.
ornate remnant
don't know if i have enough resources to force the duo
rare marsh
OK! Thank you! This is helpful!
cunning urchin
I'd actually take Dark Foresight over Olympian Favor now. bablo was right on that one.
stark ore
Really? Usually I take Olympian Favor, but Dark Foresight might be a good option considering how many people use it.
rare marsh
Gotcha. And is Stubborn Defiance really that much better than Death?
cunning urchin
It's way stronger now.
ornate remnant
a rare vs common isn't too made or break
and dark foresight helps you search for the boons you want more i think
half crater
SD is better if you’re running LC4
cunning urchin
I full-time LC4, so Stubborn Defiance is the only form of healing I can get.
stark ore
Death Defiance is helpful if you only struggle against the last boss. Otherwise take SD
cunning urchin
Hence "This is what I use".
stark ore
Though there are boons that replenish DD
cunning urchin
Speedrunners at 0 Heat use DD over SD.
barren otter
Mirror is all about preference really if you are an average player and not pushing the heat. I tend to swap around talents back to back. The ones I almost never use are Fiery Presence and High Confidence.
magic dagger
if you never die, use SD because it makes you look like a good player
stark ore
Take Chaos boons whenever you can. If you’re lucky you can get a fourth DD
rare marsh
OK ty!
half crater
if you never die, use SD because it makes you look like a good player
@magic dagger if you never die... aren’t you already a good player? 🤔
rare marsh
I'm slowly working towards 30 keys to unlock the last 2 slots in the Mirror.
cunning urchin
Not necessarily a good player.
magic dagger
not exactly
cunning urchin
You could just be a spectator.
magic dagger
just not challenging yourself enough
half crater
ah, fair
cold bone
whats the best aspect for shield
stark ore
Those last two slots are worth it, plus there’s an upgrade from the contractor that makes the last upgrade insanely good
cunning urchin
Hidden Aspect is best shield aspect.
stark ore
whats the best aspect for shield
Not a shield user but it’s probably Chaos
cold bone
well aside from hidden aspect
cunning urchin
Probably not Chaos Aspect.
magic dagger
I like zag shield, but I've actually never used the fourth one
chaos is honestly pretty bad now
half crater
really?
barren otter
Chaos is far less exciting than it used to be.
half crater
i mean, it’s certainly been nerfed, but it still seems solid to me
it’s still the only weapon i can do 20 heat on without breaking a sweat
granted, i guess 20 is small fries for real players lol
stark ore
Still going up from 5 heat with Achilles, so far it’s not actually that hard, but I’ve been told 10 heat is when things start to ramp up
cunning urchin
If I said yes to that, you'd say I'm boasting, if I said no, you'd know I'm lying.
stiff flume
well i finished thr 15 heat run with choronacht hera, didnt feel good to me tho, pretty clunky
even tho i got the freezing fog
last patrol
Hi, everyone. Almost getting all achievs
sinful wigeon
Never sure how much of the dicussion here is only relevent to high skill high heat players, but for the average player Chaos shield is still pretty proken. Just pile dps into your special and run around dosging attacks wiht the shield following you until everyone is dead. It's an easy run.
*broken
last patrol
anyone can tell me a good Exagryph build with aspect of Zagreus? lol
magic dagger
@cunning urchin are you not boasting though?
last patrol
trying to unlock the hidden
sinful wigeon
Oh man, so many typos. Sorry
stiff flume
thats the one where you get more ammo?
cunning urchin
@magic dagger hey I'm only innocently referencing Bruce Lee.
stiff flume
@last patrol
magic dagger
heck, I boast and I barely even do anything
last patrol
hi @stiff flume
smoky atlas
tbh im not a fan of trippy flare on hera
stiff flume
if its the one with more ammo you can just stack boons that boost your main attack, like with artemis
smoky atlas
waiting on shards is annoying
stiff flume
and then go for the hammer that turns your attack into a shotgun blast
magic dagger
@sinful wigeon are you talking about chaos shield or zeus shield?
stiff flume
@smoky atlas what do you go for on hera? its the first time i used it
last patrol
oh, I like that shotgun blast, better than the random shots
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot or Crush Shot for Hera.
last patrol
I loved this game from the first game thank you Supergiant
smoky atlas
art, aphro, athena usually
last patrol
149 hours so far into the game rofl
half crater
also speaking of 1.0 chaos shield: dread flight
last patrol
I loved this game from the first game thank you Supergiant
half crater
used to be “eh” on that aspect imo, now it’s amazing
smoky atlas
though fog is good if you run stygian blood with extra cast boons
last patrol
149 hours so far into the game rofl
stiff flume
with the tracking artemis crit casts?
sinful wigeon
@magic dagger Ah, you're right, I'm thinking of Zeus. My bad - I'm dumb.
last patrol
I loved this game from the first time I played it thank you Supergiant
149 hours so far into the game rofl
sinful wigeon
Can supergiant make a bad game?
smoky atlas
@stiff flume yea any strong cast that sticks and drops on kill
stiff flume
smoky atlas
if they dont die, you get more dmg with shards stuck in them anyway
stiff flume
ye i shouldve probably went for that, waiting for the shards to appear again was annoying
smoky atlas
and if theyre small fries, you get shards back immediately
half crater
Can supergiant make a bad game?
@sinful wigeon
well, fairly small sample size but my research suggests there is a
checks notes
0% chance of that
sinful wigeon
@half crater The science checks out
smoky atlas
aphro/art casts are strong enough
leaden belfry
zeus gun with no reload go brrr
leaden belfry
zeus attack and 3 shot but no reload is really strong
smoky atlas
but i do like dio cast with stygian blood and +cast boons
half crater
zeus on gun is just really strong tbh
smoky atlas
decent aoe and sustained dps
half crater
delta chamber is prolly slowing you down, if you do the math
feels good to not have to stop tho
bronze sorrel
I wonder what the best way to buff delta chamber would be...
magic dagger
replace it with ye olde infinite chamber
leaden belfry
i beat them
magic dagger
never reload
robust anchor
any tips to shave off time? i cannot beat 20min
bronze sorrel
Would infinite chamber be op though?
barren otter
always go into mid-biome shops
ornate remnant
if you get a trial of the gods chamber
and want a duo from the two gods involved
is it even possible to get it?
jaunty solar
any tips to shave off time? i cannot beat 20min
@robust anchor just go for optimized damage builds
i got 18 mins with a perfect merciful end zeus aspect run
but that was a perfect boon run ngl
spiral tree
yess just got my 4th clear all thanks to the triple spear boon
bronze sorrel
My best time is 19:20
I don't really pause for decisions though, and I haven't reduced heat for speed, since I'm still farming diamonds and ambrosia.
spiral tree
0_o
boreal zinc
Hey guys. What pacts are you using for 16 heat? I'm always losing on final boss
bronze sorrel
Guessing if I dropped to 4-7 heat and such I could get it faster
bronze sorrel
Dps is part of it, you also skip alot of stuff, like chests, try to avoid slow rooms, and there are tricks like using meg at the start of Hydra.
That and be less cautious, which effects dps, as well as chasing enemies more efficiently.
The jumpers in asphodel still drive me nuts
leaden belfry
okay guys
wish me luck for the ||hades fight|| will i beat the game for the first time?
:p
bronze sorrel
GL, you got this!
magic dagger
try dodging their attacks
bronze sorrel
Dont get hit by the green skulls. Use acorn if you have it.
Broken spearpoint and lucky tooth are decent alternatives
magic dagger
I mean, it sounds like Hypnos advice, but you actually just need to practice and learn attack patterns so you can dodge
bronze sorrel
Watch out for the white circle indicating the spin attack
bronze sorrel
Attack ranged dudes first
magic dagger
other than that, it's just hitting as hard and as often as you can without taking too much damage
bronze sorrel
For better dps
ebon tinsel
does support fire have an internal cooldown like zeus special?
stark ore
When he goes into stealth take some time to clear out mobs
bronze sorrel
I don't think so?
bronze sorrel
Oh nm I learned something new then
magic dagger
if you hit multiple times with the same attack it won't proc for every hit
but sometimes it still procs more than once
ebon tinsel
so for chron bow
magic dagger
very much like zeus
ebon tinsel
will each special proc it
magic dagger
only some of them
ebon tinsel
thanks a bunch for the info
bronze sorrel
Hmmm, is that true for attack though too? Seems like it procs on most or all rail hits
half crater
speaking of trying to go fast, i think i’m doing something wrong with the nemesis build
bronze sorrel
Also related, does the special cool down on zeus apply to sea storm with tempest flourish?
half crater
i always smash through all the way and then take a billion years in the hades fight
dunno whether i just have garbage micro (truth) or if there’s something i’m missing build wise
fair plinth
level 5 heroic demeter's aid doing MASSIVE WORK on hades, big gilf powahhh
bronze sorrel
Ok, so its "lightning on special" not thunder flourish
leaden belfry
i cant beat ||hades||
magic dagger
the game isn't a spoiler
a lot of people can't beat hades
it's a hard game; that's the point
magic dagger
sighs
bronze sorrel
i cant beat ||hades||
@leaden belfry you could post a recording and people could probably take a look and give advice. You'll get it though, give it another run .
bronze sorrel
Is Dusa spraying Lysol on Lysol?
ornate remnant
man im pissed
i got pure athena ares the whole run
no ME
wait i have one more in styx but i gotta come back to the run later
ebon tinsel
i have 5 aphro boons but not one attack, i rerolled most two so like 7/8 tries no attack boom feels bad XD
bronze sorrel
Did you get one on strike and one on flourish? They tightened the requirements. Its not just one core boon from athena plus doom now
acoustic bane
I couldn't beat final boss either for a while during EA after 27 tries. Came back after v 1.0 releasted and beat it on my 28th try lol
Got lucky and stacked charm/Call and had it every 2 seconds and just kept firing it off
cunning urchin
@ebon tinsel if you want a specific core boon, avoid any boons from that god that unlock t2 boons.
Otherwise you're just adding more boons that you don't want to the pool.
ebon tinsel
hey thats actually really good advice nyaa thanks