it hits quite a lot as at spins
#h1-builds-and-combat
fickle depot
opal lake
@turbid needle I take it it doesn’t launch the cast then huh
turbid needle
No, it just pulses around you
Or at least it used to
Dunno if it was changed
I had to pass ice wine for epic strong drink early :/
turbid needle
Hopefully I find it again
pallid dagger
but this zeus shield is really pulling its weight
thorn jolt
none of these are tough for me 😄
Aid is my go-to, since Trippy Shot turns off Boiling Blood, and PO is just inconsistent for me
narrow rampart
dio aid poggers
pallid dagger
Zeus I have every prerequisite
we're in styx now
please quit being stingy and hand over splitting bolt
thorn jolt
FWIW, I see that you have passion dash so if you get Low Tolerance, you can be doing 17 x 3 x 8 per Aid stock (408 damage).
fickle depot
.... does hermes boon not work in satyr tunnels?
thorn jolt
Side Hustle works
void zenith
Which hermes boon?
worn sand
if you mean hermes' keepsake, only the FINAL room in each satyr tunnel gives the bonus
pallid dagger
alright, we need to talk about this clouded judgement/billowing strength nonsense
I don't want these
leaden hare
😔 I left the game for a few months, came back for 1.0 and resumed with each weapon around 10 heat, and now I can barely beat EM3
void zenith
Yeah, that's kind of weird. On the other hand, it would be kind of OP busted if it procced off the small rooms
Same for Than's butterfly, btw
red junco
Are there any chase hammers to look for when using demeter fist?
random light
The exploding Dash Special
narrow rampart
basically anything that empowers your special
random light
And Breaching Dash
worn sand
that feeling when 1 encounter left on "cannot earn gold" and you hit a Gold trove
narrow rampart
there's one that allows you to charge your special; I always go for that one with Demeter aspect
random light
If you don’t get lucky and it doesn’t offer the exploding Special then either the long range attack or the double kick
thorn jolt
Billowing Strength is amazing @pallid dagger bonus damage is bonus damage ya kno
random light
I think Exploding Dash is better than the charge special on Demeter
narrow rampart
big numbers tho
pallid dagger
it's amazing but those boons feel like they show up constantly
they're starting to get in the way now
red junco
i have the option to choose the kick or the ranged one
red junco
i tried the ranged one before and it felt clunky
random light
If you have Artemis special and the kick special, you can drop crazy multi hit crits
It’s really fun
random light
Honestly I recommend Artemis Special on Demeter fists regardless
Hey, how can I get the spear hidden aspect to unlock?
@turbid needle there’s a convo with Achilles
red junco
yeah i always start with artemis keepsake to fish for the special
random light
I think there’s a pinned message about it somewhere
turbid needle
How do I trigger the convo tho
random light
Snag the Clean Kill boons for extra Crit damage and Support Fire
red junco
@random light does artemis dash work with dash special?
errant narwhal
do you have the fated list?
pallid dagger
wow
that did not work at all
zeus you fought valiantly but your shield was not a good match for redacted
turbid needle
@errant narwhal Yea I got it
errant narwhal
then i suppose its just rng? if youve done the stuff in the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion
narrow rampart
rpg has not been in my favour, either
sly spoke
does anyone know if charon items stack specifically cyclops jerky?
sly spoke
blesss thank you
narrow rampart
np!
sly spoke
im running guns with double cyclops jerky and hangover on attack
sly spoke
forreal i like doom a bit better but just messing with things
fickle depot
I always thought poseidon call was bad but you can get a lot of hits in when its fully charged. probably more than the aphrodite
random light
@random light does artemis dash work with dash special?
@red junco yes
sly spoke
yeah poseidons call was a bit hard to control
random light
Wait
red junco
thank you. that is awesome
red junco
thank you. that sucks
random light
I’m sorry, I mixed it up again
red junco
lol
random light
I keep forgetting Dash Upper and Dash Strike are not the same
;-;
Dash boons only affect Dash Attack not Dash Special
fickle depot
@sly spoke are you on controller?
not too bad on keyboard/mouse
Does doom only hit once or does it trigger when you add the other instance on top? Or does it literally just refresh itself and deal no damage?
fickle depot
I've seen that 'doom does more damage with stacks thing' but is that the only way to add damage?
sly spoke
im on keyboard and mouse
fickle depot
so it goes 80+10 per hit
sly spoke
im just bad hahahaha
random light
Yeah
sly spoke
theres a boon that makes doom stack i believe i might be mistaken but i think
fickle depot
Yeah i think it just stacks 10+ at a time instead of another full stack
red junco
its not a true stack it just adds a small amount of damage
random light
I dislike Doom as a status which is a shame because it’s great on higher heats, apparently
thorn jolt
so is it my imagination, but are duos/legendaries impossible to get in Trial of The Gods rooms
worn sand
i believe duos are disabled (unless you reroll (?))
red junco
@random light i was searching for something that was talked about earlier regarding fists and i came across this
o 1 sec
[12:58 PM] retz: does artemis dash affect malphon's dash special?
[12:59 PM] ledgerdamayn | Rama Llama: Yes
fickle depot
@thorn jolt I think it says duo for the other god is disabled so if you get ares/artemis you couldn't get their duo but maybe you can get duos for gods not present
random light
Yeah... see, I thought the same but earlier today this same topic came up and I was told Dash boon not affect dash special
red junco
hmm
random light
I mean the boon says it affects your dash strike
red junco
i wish i could test boons and hammers on the dummy
random light
And besides you can just take Athena Dash :^)
No Stygius can do it, I think Fists is the only one with a Hammer for it
marsh dawn
Dash special on sword is just an animation cancel basically
red junco
yeah thats what i was thinking
random light
I mean without the hammer upgrade the Demeter Dash Special doesn’t do anything different either
It’s just a dashing special
red junco
u can even special and immediately dash and it will launch your special forward lol
it kind of does
u can dash special and then immediately special again
random light
It does like a different animation but as far as gameplay goes I haven’t noticed a difference
mighty ermine
it's faster and the game has its own terminology to set it apart
random light
You can do something similar with Sword and Spear though, using special into dash special or vice versa to animation cancel
untold quiver
I was very disappointed that the attack increase for the 4th fists aspect doesn't also give a boost to dash attack - now i gotta rethink my whole strat
marsh dawn
General build question. If you get a Pom and have to choose between your main damage and pressure points, which do you choose?
austere axle
What's the best between perfect shot / explosive shot / piercing volley
prisma raven
mains sounds like the better choice, because it'll ultimately also be buffing your critical damage
and pressure points doesn't get a lot of mileage out of being upgraded
hard holly
Out of curiosity
How does Achilles aspect interact with blade rifts
Does it empower the first 4 hits
Or the entire blade rift as it travels?
marsh dawn
The first hits
untold quiver
The hole blade
It does the same thing with crystals it empowers the "cast" you don't loose the buff animation till you throw 4
It's why I'm always so hype on hunting blades Achilles
dark quail
What's better, fated authority or fated persuasion?
prisma raven
persuasion, personally
being able to choose what boon or well item you want is better than being able to choose what chamber reward you get
especially later in the game when all chamber rewards are pretty good
void zenith
Fated authority might have been better if it let you reroll Charon shops
untold quiver
Authority is more useful at higher heats when you need to avoid meh room choices I believe
mighty ermine
@hard holly what frankiehats said, basically. the entire duration of four blade rift casts will be affected if you use your 4 charges on them
dark quail
Yeah, persuasion seems like it would give more consistent wins
main osprey
@main osprey what was the highest you did boonless?
@cunning urchin I think 16 heat boonless, but I made it to the Heroes on 32. I haven't had a lot of time to play lately, so I dunno if I could still do that (probably could though)
mighty ermine
it can be if you build correctly for it, yeah
dark quail
So what alternate mirror abilities do you usually use?
mighty ermine
zeus cast is pretty popular on achilles now
prisma raven
that's the name of the game. find the most exploitable mechanic your run has given you and push it as far as you can
fluid scaffold
I usually use darkness healing over consistent +3s but I haven't really tested if that's even good.
hard holly
I mean just
untold quiver
Curse of Drowning I would think is pretty nice too, though while you fish for it much less effective
prisma raven
darkness healing is way better than +3 every run imo
mighty ermine
yep
hard holly
Hard disagree
mighty ermine
with hunting blades and vicious cycle it gets ridiculous
hard holly
I tried dark restoration once
fluid scaffold
regardless which is better, getting a big heal after bosses is so satisfying
hard holly
It was bad
untold quiver
Blade rifts are fantastic even if you don't get hunting blades
prisma raven
what level
dark quail
Is that stubborn defiance?
hard holly
Oh yeah with vicious cycle it should explode enemies
mighty ermine
dark regeneration is almost always better than chthonic vit provided you're not doing bounties
prisma raven
if you aren't at max heat, darkness healing is the way to go, you're basically guaranteed to be at full health after every boss
and any darkness you can get between bosses is a lot of good healing
sisyphus? healing. darkness from the well, shops, or chests? healing.
mighty ermine
the only place that chthonic vitality shines in particular over DR is styx
which isn't a huge deal, really
hard holly
Nah even if youre not at max heat, darkness healing is bad
Cuz like
Youll usually be max health after the boss anyway
And getting a lot more healing during the leadup to the boss is better
mighty ermine
troves of darkness are basically a free heal
fluid scaffold
Youll usually be max health after the boss anyway
from experience, uhhh no
prisma raven
what level of darkness healing are you using @hard holly
hard holly
Max obviously
next moss
soooo i just fought my first EM1 boss
are the supports invincible
or can i kill them
prisma raven
then i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because i was struggling for health when i did my run with vitality
prisma raven
just killing megaera would be faster anyway wouldn't it
next moss
yea
untold quiver
@hard holly your assuming people are having more trouble with losing health drink wave clear than bosses in which case you're correct
hard holly
I mean, yeah
prisma raven
what frankie?
hard holly
Thats kinda how it goes on low heat
You take the odd hit here and htere from regular rooms
Bosses are easy to do (near) damageless
fluid scaffold
EM1 just kinda feels like a free Heat point unless you have more modifiers making it harder
hard holly
And what little damage you take you heal back
fluid scaffold
oh boo I have to dodge more AoEs now whatever will I do
next moss
that's because you're a murderer
velvet yoke
Any tips so I can win my first run?
untold quiver
Every single heat instance seems like "free heat" if you can handle easily what it's modifying
prisma raven
what weapon are you using, russ
velvet yoke
@prisma raven all of them
next moss
where do you die
prisma raven
strategies vary depending on what weapon you're using
velvet yoke
I can make it to the end with most of them but die at the final boss or the dog challenge
prisma raven
dog challenge? do you just mean the temple of styx
prisma raven
the only universal tip i can think of is go for max life upgrades where you can
velvet yoke
Ok
hard holly
I tend to skip hearts when I can
velvet yoke
I’ll try that
prisma raven
that's because you play with vitality and never get hit
next moss
athena's call or dash help a freakin' lot
hard holly
Otherwise, just go for good damage builds
velvet yoke
Get lots of Heath so I cannot lose
next moss
if you need to, respec your mirror, it costs one key
hard holly
Which is Aphro/Artemis on slow weapon attacks, and Zeus on fast weapon attacks
next moss
now that you unlocked a lot of things on your mirror (you did, right)
you should have 2 death defiances or the stubborn defiance, it helps a lot while learning the patterns
marsh dawn
How much does the “water” at the end of Styx heal for?
prisma raven
a Lot™️
velvet yoke
Best weapon of choice for a first win ?
prisma raven
your favorite
next moss
yeah
velvet yoke
Ok
marsh dawn
I know it’s a lot. Is it more than 50%?
prisma raven
i don't think it's percentage based
marsh dawn
What else would it be based on?
prisma raven
numbers
velvet yoke
What’s your favourite weapon ?
fluid scaffold
Could it be like 90% of your missing HP? I feel like it always leaves me just off max
velvet yoke
I quite like them all
marsh dawn
Okay. I’ll ask later for a serious answe
prisma raven
shield was my first win
hard holly
What % it is, I do not know
hard holly
Lemme finish this run and I can look it up @marsh dawn
marsh dawn
@hard holly I will look it up. No worries. Figured someone here knew, which is faster.
prisma raven
people always say shield is also the best weapon technically, i guess because it can block
oh also always go for hammers
next moss
for a new player i would say to go for the spear/bow/gun
being in a distance while learning the patterns is better to see how to doge
once you know the pattern just use any weapon
untold quiver
Man I had so many runs of getting eternal chamber for the laser in Tartarus ......I got way out of practice at reloading
prisma raven
bow is my favorite melee weapon
seriously tho my strat for bow is to just get up close and mash Q
onyx parcel
Yoooo
fluid scaffold
if I wanna get up close and mash I got sword and fist
onyx parcel
Good boons for vanilla rail??
prisma raven
it's not my favorite weapon tho, i prefer agressive weapons
onyx parcel
I never played rail before
next moss
demeter
prisma raven
yeah i only used it because i had to
fluid scaffold
Rail likes what everything else likes
debuffs or crit on attack, divine dash, just anything damage on special
prisma raven
special damage increase boons are the best for rail
onyx parcel
Which one should I take
prisma raven
and you may as well get special speed increase from hermes while you're at it
prisma raven
i would just take whatever keepsake you want, the boons will come to you in time
but that's just me
hard holly
Goddammit
prisma raven
maybe aphrodite and see if you can get her special
onyx parcel
Aight thx
onyx parcel
Ah I don’t have that upgraded
fluid scaffold
Best strat on rail, pick the aspect that gives you damage for standing in special
fluid scaffold
then the 300% damage hammer 🙂
prisma raven
zeus attack on rail sounds like a good idea
onyx parcel
I don’t wanna spend blood on rail
I’m hoping for a win on vanilla rail
What are some good hammers?
prisma raven
i'm not very experienced with the rail because like i said i prefer aggressive weapons
next moss
all of them really
covert hatch
I play every weapon aggressive lol
prisma raven
yeah me too and it doesn't work out sometimes
robust anchor
the short range one is awesome
fluid scaffold
there's one that turns your attack into a shotgun
prisma raven
which is why my choronacht is a melee weapon
fluid scaffold
good with crit but not as OP as you'd think
covert hatch
Delta Chamber is generally meh I think?
covert hatch
I like the shotgun one as well
prisma raven
i really liked hazard bomb when i had it
humble path
If anyone haven't tried Rail with Cluster Bomb + Rocket Bomb, give it a shot. I'm really new to the game and managed to beat it in 20mins in my 2nd time beating it 😄
hard holly
Screw it
Im cheesing EM4 with Achilles spear using Bladrifts
Oh yeah cluster+rocket is busted
untold quiver
Well that's range for you......lightning strike in the first room, no Zues boon again I till the room before the champions lololol
fluid scaffold
what do each of the EMs add? I've only tried the fury one so far
humble path
https://imgur.com/a/xolYQ9X - Build
fluid scaffold
21 mins damn
prisma raven
whoever answers torgor, put it in spoilers please
fluid scaffold
oh true my bad
prisma raven
np
prisma raven
alright im going to see if i can get a spear victory for once
humble path
Spear is tough
hard holly
||EM1: The other furies give an assist, usually one of their AoE attacks
EM2: The chamber is smaller and has more lava, and the Hydras head detaches at the end
EM3: (this one is glorious) Asterius hits harder and has an attack where he has a massive spin you need to constantly avoid. Oh and Theseus is in a chariot equipped with rocket launchers and dual gatlings
EM4: Third phase, Achilles aspect attack, and hits harder. Oh and summons minibosses instead of regular shades||
prisma raven
i'm using hidden spear aspect. i got all the way to hades with it once and almost won, and i do like it, but it makes me anxious sometimes
getting hit demands healing as soon as possible and sometimes you aren't in a good spot to charge up your spin
humble path
if this helps, demeter cast lazer things are really helpful for hades (at least they were for me) so if you happen to stumble upon one, pick it up
fluid scaffold
that EM3 does sound good
prisma raven
demeters cast is one of my favorites
especially if you have stygian soul and lots of extra bloodstones
because then you can just throw them out wherever you want
humble path
With the last run I could only enhance the damage, but that was about it
prisma raven
oh yeah i also got the hidden sword aspect and it looks like it'll be an interesting run when i finally get around to trying it out
humble path
Question, how you get those hidden aspects?
fluid scaffold
hidden sword is... weird
visual holly
look at the pinned messages in #h1-story-discussion
prisma raven
to get your first one, spend blood on aspects until an NPC talks to you about varatha
visual holly
that NPC being Achilles
prisma raven
i wasn't trying to spoil but yes it's achilles
fluid scaffold
iirc the sword one requires you to ||max out Zagreus aspect? maybe?||
prisma raven
after that the other aspects are unlocked the same way, except to get a weapon's hidden aspect you have to actually spend blood on it
fluid scaffold
ohhhh that makes sense
next moss
spoilers
visual holly
What you mentioned is for ||forging a bond with skelly||
covert hatch
The ||minibosses on EM4|| is probably the biggest hurdle for me on that fight
visual holly
I'm having more trouble with ||the boss himself||. Still haven't beaten it so far.
velvet yoke
I’m about to try a shield run any tips ?
prisma raven
lost a defiance to wretched sneak, feels bad
i was on low health with the hidden spear aspect because i had just taken a chaos boon and there is no healing with that thing
shield tips? i guess remember to block if you're having trouble
fluid scaffold
wait you took a Chaos with the hidden spear aspect fr
prisma raven
and putting status debuffs on your special is never a bad idea
fluid scaffold
or did you have Egg
prisma raven
yes beause i didn't know i was going right into a boss
usually healing back up in a reagular encounter isn't that hard
no egg. only pain
marsh dawn
@mighty ermine Explosive upper or breaching cross for Demeter?
fluid scaffold
no egg. only pan
prisma raven
heck, even if it was a different miniboss i may have been able to get some life back
velvet yoke
What gods should I choose for shield ?
mighty ermine
both are honestly good; breaching is great for all fists, but explosive if you have a good special boon
marsh dawn
Artemis special
mighty ermine
the damage gain you get on charged specials is too huge to pass on
yeah definitely explosive
marsh dawn
Okie dokie
velvet yoke
What’s the best aspect for shield ?
visual holly
I feel like I've gotten pretty good at the sneak now. The trick is to dash preemtively when it reappears to make it miss. Then punish it after its melee attack.
prisma raven
chaos
prisma raven
if you use chaos, athena wouldn't be a bad choice to put on your special
although ares would probably be best
visual holly
Is Chaos still the best aspect even with the 1.0 nerfs?
fluid scaffold
Chaos is certainly the coolest because you get cool chaos voice lines when you kill stuff sometimes
random light
For Shield? Chaos is probably still best yeah
untold quiver
If you are still in the "learning" phase, using the keepsakes to.fish for heartbreak strike and divine dash (Aphrodite on attack and Athena on dash) is a very very solid move with all melee
random light
Even if you’re not in the learning phase, Athena Dash is great XD
visual holly
Relevant username.
velvet yoke
Do I go with ares or Athena for my first boon ?
untold quiver
Athena
velvet yoke
Ok
prisma raven
aha, a kiss of styx. my embarassing defeat against the sneak is no more
untold quiver
The dash is good, the call is good, and she later on can enhance and replenish your death defiance and grant straight up damage reduction
next moss
tfw you're against the final boss and you use ||his own call against him||
untold quiver
I can't think of the last time I didn't have a call from the A-Team
fluid scaffold
I can't think of the last time I had a call
hard holly
Not realising that now getting the blade rift boons is less likely
fluid scaffold
(not really true but I've never built around one)
untold quiver
Reset?
hard holly
Nah I mean I picked it in Elysium
prisma raven
i wish the tooltips would accurately adjust for hidden spear aspect
lament creek
does attack speed on Lucifer do anything
untold quiver
Yes it fires faster
unkempt pagoda
i imagine it goes through ammo faster
untold quiver
You don't see it because it's a laser but if you don't have enternal chamber you'll notice it
hard holly
Looks like I wont get Vicious Cycle :S
untold quiver
Did you get hunting blades?
hard holly
Yes at least
Damn, I was right, I got a doom boon
Oof
This build is still good
Im just not sure its "beat EM4" good
untold quiver
I was gonna say no vicious and no hunting blades would be rough
Slowly climbing that heat ladder Zues Laser just knocked down heat 12 without a lot of trouble and sub optimum boons
hard holly
Only 2 Death Defiances as well
It was
Just barely
Oh
I see now why I couldnt get Hermes legendary
outer jasper
prisma raven
just beat my first spear run! that's one with every weapon now finally
grand pumice
Late boss spoilers ||Hey, is Hades' second phase supposed to be able to fire the lasers through the little snow pillars||?
I feel like that's a bug, cause it didn't happen in my last run.
hard holly
No, but the collision is janky
grand pumice
Figures. I was about to beat that boss for the first time, but then it just bugged out and killed me on my last life.
hasty oracle
Hey what boons/builds are good for the Rama bow?
hasty oracle
Ok thanks! I'll try those out.
I'm glad the buffed the Rama and massively reduced the attack charge time lol
*they
dry ember
@onyx parcel you called?
dry ember
that's what i used, too
onyx parcel
I did beat spear for the first time with hades tho
Hades so fun
With quick and massive spin
And I did bow and rail today and got my 10 blood
glass kelp
I think I just got the luckiest run I've had so far with zag sword, was running with plume and got epic movement speed and damage from movement speed from Hermes
also had 5 seperate bonuses to backstab damage if we include the mirror
teal wren
hey if I get one boon from a god and purge it, does that good still count for my limit of 4 per run?
unkempt pagoda
aspect?
untold quiver
Rocket
unkempt pagoda
then i'd go rocket
desert nacelle
i'd go Delta Chamber
unkempt pagoda
go delta chamber for the prophecy and then never take it again
mighty ermine
delta chamber is a bit of a trap, would not recommend it
limber flax
uhh
glass kelp
I'd go rocket, get a nice boon with special damage, fish for special damage from chaos and pray for good 2nd hammer
limber flax
this tartarus guy
untold quiver
At first boon you can load into special damage and do like chill or hangover application for attack it's the best time to go rocket
limber flax
is it like the strongest boon type
desert nacelle
Triple rocket 
limber flax
feels like taratus has biggest impact on the game
so
this athena women
i should always go for that to get that dash?
should that be prioritized?
untold quiver
You don't need to always try and get Athena but if you only get one boon if hers you probably want that dash
teal wren
the revenge effect is also pretty nice
glass kelp
her cast is also nice for deflecting
untold quiver
Wait a minute......you aren't normally able to use some of the companions against the final boss?
limber flax
do you prioritize athena room over other gods to get the dash?
desert nacelle
Take all revenges from all boons with Vengeful Mood 
glass kelp
no, athena is one of my least favorites
mighty ermine
@untold quiver correct, though (spoilers) ||you unlock the ability to use all of them against him later on||
limber flax
i know my least favorite is hermes
untold quiver
Yeah that just happened, I've only ever used one and it's not affected
glass kelp
well he's my absolute favorite so there is that
desert nacelle
@limber flax if there is like God u need to do dame u take it, if some support god u prioritize Athena
limber flax
lmao
mighty ermine
yeah skelly and bouldy don't care either way lol
glass kelp
Hermes' boons are always useful
desert nacelle
^
glass kelp
last run I got the combo of 40% move speed and 100% bonus damage from move speed, I was also running with the plume and zag sword so I had like 55% movement speed in all
untold quiver
@limber flax Hermes boons are powerful, but not obviously so, there is a reason you can't force them and you are limited
visual holly
@untold quiver I think the attack speed and dodge ones are pretty obvious
desert nacelle
by taking 4 different gods u make your Fam Fav give u 20% dmg
and Hermes is unaffected by that pool
glass kelp
no matter what weapon, boons or keepsakes you're running hermes always has something good, even if it's just gold per chamber
desert nacelle
so which makes u get atleast one to obtain that 5% dmg
Gold per chamber works great on last location
coz all the doors counts as different chambers
glass kelp
yeah, it often allows you to just clear out the whole shop
untold quiver
Some of his boons are more useful as you increase heat
At lower heat they don't seem as nessicarily good
Sturdy, move speed
hasty oracle
What boons/builds are good with the fists 4th aspect?
lethal chasm
i need to decide what 4th aspect to chase lol
i wa susing shield most but i suck ass w it apparently
idk maybe need more blood in aspects tho.
idk if bow 4th is good
havent heard too much
desert nacelle
it is
robust anchor
hidden bow is great. you can focus on the special or attack
untold quiver
Alright time for heat 10 bow Chiron Doom Bow!
lethal chasm
noice lol im still in 1
thorn jolt
anyone got good spear builds to try out? I'm not very consistent on hades spear
lethal chasm
i have it paused going into redacted RN, 3 death defiances and 2 athena perks for DD, 15% more life and 3 sec imperv
never killed him w stygius
got a decent aphrodite/special build
not much else to it tho
untold quiver
@argent unfortunately all my spear knowledge is Achilles
lethal chasm
er atehna/special
untold quiver
Wow Restless Volley at the door, this is gonna be a good run
lethal chasm
which si that?
untold quiver
+4 shots on special
thorn jolt
what's the Achilles rec
turbid halo
If you're spinning, I say force Athena for dash and/or attack
Deflect on spin is really helpful
untold quiver
Are the Erberus rooms "Bonus" rooms or just a different room?
Achilles I Go blade rifts into hunting blades or Athena Artimis dash strikes
unkempt pagoda
they take up a chamber in all cases except when it would replace a pre-boss room, in which case it will always put you in the pre-boss room
limber flax
how long to ruptures last
unkempt pagoda
also the same for chaos gates
untold quiver
I knew the gates were like thst
dry ember
can't tell if we don't know what weapon and other boons
limber flax
uhh
visual holly
Yeah, in isolation the middle choice is clearly the best.
limber flax
gun and maybe you see some on the sides?
visual holly
Unless you're struggling and need more oomph now.
limber flax
ah wait so
desert nacelle
limber flax
i have neptun dash and cast
desert nacelle
The meme is real
visual holly
I would still take the duo, but I'm also greedy.
limber flax
how long does rapture last?
since its more rare to find
@desert nacelle i dont think thats good logic lol
untold quiver
Heartbreak strike......it's officially a curse of longing chase
limber flax
for gun
does attack speed mean travel speed of the ammo
or actual fire speed
i assume actual fire rate?
untold quiver
Might be both?
limber flax
🤔
untold quiver
Only rail I use regularly is the laser so idk
turbid halo
What do the little round markers on boons mean?
gritty tartan
hey guys. I've been struggling to get past the elysium boss, but I'm doing pretty good this run and I can't decide which hammer upgrade to pick..
Current build: - sword w/nemesis (crit chance after special), combined +280% special move dmg, marked (on crit) and weak (on cast) effects
Upgrades: - world splitter (big chop), flurry slash (rapid strikes), or double nova (special x2 but no knockback)
I'm curious which one more experienced players would go with
thick raptor
Markers are which is selected to be showcased
desert nacelle
^
thick raptor
Double nova if you've got that much bonus damage.
robust anchor
||arthur|| is chunky good golly
thick raptor
Then stab until marked and special again
worldly trellis
I got a fishing spot in ||greece|| too! 
robust anchor
free diamond pogu
mossy badge
gritty tartan
I made the mistake of spreading blood across several weapons instead of upgrading one ._.
guessing that's pretty common
thick raptor
I got real good with Arthur, then switched back to FO1 and need to relearn it
worldly trellis
figured this channel didnt care about spoilers, mb
covert hatch
Hey dumb question, does Delta Chamber have a damage penalty? I've got a friend saying their shots hit like wet noodle afterward
royal yarrow
delta chamber?
covert hatch
Rail hammer, 3 round burst and infinite ammo
royal yarrow
never have tried that combo
covert hatch
My only thought is that maybe they're looking at the combined damage number and yeah, in that case it makes sense
I wonder how you could buff it
untold quiver
Damn epic swift special...I wish I had turned Em4 on lol
marsh dawn
Are general damage bonuses and pressure points the only things that change maim damage?
unkempt pagoda
you only get the bounties one heat level at a time
you'd have to win heat 10 five times in order to get all the bounties from 5-10
desert nacelle
Got vengeful mood meme 🥳
untold quiver
The actual end damage? Yes..... although curse of longing treats it like a doom....a hammer increases the debuff
marsh dawn
Curse of longing applies to maim? Interesting.
unkempt pagoda
sounds unintended
unkempt pagoda
which also sounds unintended lol
untold quiver
If it is they'll get it soon enough
marsh dawn
Missing doom revenge though
desert nacelle
all my ares boons were into merciful end combo
onyx parcel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/759564464713498674/unknown.png
@desert nacelle sheesh
How do u send a picture?
desert nacelle
Copy the link of it
desert nacelle
u post any picture into any chat u can
onyx parcel
How
desert nacelle
lone lava
Is zag shield better than chaos aspect now?
desert nacelle
why
lone lava
Saw people saying the chaos one got nerfed a while ago and wasn't as good now
Is it still better than zag tho?
untold quiver
Curse of longing in Asphodel...now I just need the Doom stack
onyx parcel
Is it still better than zag tho?
@lone lava depends on ur play style I guess
15 base damage increase is great
But I enjoy chaos play style more
Bull rush and special
thick raptor
What are some solid (or possibly which are meh) casts for Beo?
lone lava
How do you prefer to build for that @onyx parcel ?
onyx parcel
Explosive return
Ares special works well
Aphro special also good for the raw damage
Anything, really
Chaos shield doesn’t require anything in particular
solid cairn
I miss dooming the whole room
onyx parcel
Yea I just bull rush special and maybe get some attacks in
And dash out to a safe distance
lone lava
I guess it'd be nice to have some variety sure
onyx parcel
Might not be the best but that’s what I play like
barren nimbus
is there a "best" legendary keepsake? id guess ||mort or antos||
hearty elbow
No, not really. And you're referring to ||companions||
unkempt pagoda
not really
untold quiver
Bouldy
hearty elbow
All of them have their uses. Bouldy gets less useful the later you get and Thanatos is kind of outclassed by Meg, but he still has uses
Like in non-EM3 Heroes
unkempt pagoda
i personally use battie because she gets good damage out really quickly
untold quiver
They made the heal constant I'd say Bouldy is quite useful outside of the no healing pact
40 health mid fight is pretty solid
hearty elbow
I say "gets less useful the later you get" because eventually LC4 becomes one of the most appealing sources of 4 heat
And you probably don't need to farm for gems or Darkness anymore
unkempt pagoda
y'know, out of all the mechanics sgg could've supported via aspects, i wasn't expecting dash-only builds with gilgamesh
the tidal dash folks are real happy rn
untold quiver
That's high heat though, I'm not there yet :)
narrow rampart
i want to commit sudoku
untold quiver
And omg curse of longing doombow is as delicious as I thought it would be
narrow rampart
Hera bow, aiming for cold embrace
got Hermes legendary, Dio/aphro duo, and ALL other boons at epic
only got 3 Demeter boons; no aphro/Demeter duo
cries
unkempt pagoda
hera bow with regular crystal beam sounds like a terrible time
praying you get cold embrace soon
narrow rampart
it absolutely is
i just finished all Styx rooms
no cold embrace for me
dissociates
unkempt pagoda
F
narrow rampart
ty ;_;7
stark ore
Been avoiding Poseidon for a while, any good boons I should take from him? Running spear with Achilles so usually I take Athena’s Dash, Ares’ cast & call, Demeter’s special, and Dio’s attack
narrow rampart
ooo
since you're doing achilles, consider getting Poseidon's cast, then aim for either the Poseidon/Demeter or the Poseidon/Ares duo
both are very good casts
stark ore
Hm, I’ll try it out. Might do his call too since I’ve been in love with Ares’ cast lately. Thanks!
narrow rampart
np!
turbid needle
Yo ketchup
smoky atlas
but every time i try i get trash boons
weary snow
Quick question: If I get this Boon while at full DD, do I get an extra or is that replenishment lost? https://gyazo.com/1b1222a4963b49ec0ed0eec557104efc
turbid needle
untold vortex
@weary snow replenish is only lost DD
smoky atlas
i guess artermis is best for nemesis sword?
weary snow
I thought so, just wanted to confirm. Thanks!
untold vortex
so you only get the bonus restoration effect with full DD
yes aphrodite is also equally good on nemisis
even better if you go something like arti attack, aphro special into heart rend
aphro special procs the + crit chance but can also apply weak
another option is aphro attack, arti special
again into heart rend
smoky atlas
hmm
untold quiver
@stark ore I'd go Ares (curse of Drowning) to duo with Posidon for Achilles
random light
I got the Poseidon/Demeter Duo cast and then got the Artemis/Poseidon Mirage Shot right after 
desert nacelle
@random light 
unkempt pagoda
mirage blizzard shot? it'd be hard to mess this up
smoky atlas
impossible to mess that up
i got that combo once and triggered hades "shield" in 3 casts
unkempt pagoda
blizzard shot is like, top 7 builds in the game
random light
Funny enough I'm using nemesis, so this was not the build i was going for but hey! i'll take it
old jungle
I dunno why, but I absolutely love Dio's fog and regen in it while running sword and aegis. Maybe it has something to do with me being Russian, maybe it's because it provides comfortable crowd control and sustain. Have yet to unlock and level all the aspects and finish the game, tho, but Athena, Dio and Aphrodite are certainly my besties in terms of playstyle
smoky atlas
blizzard shot singlehandedly saved so many of my botched runs
random light
My besties are definitely Artemis, Athena, Aphrodite. I got that crit build bias
unkempt pagoda
the classic AAA build core
jagged perch
what is the guan yu build i should go for?
smoky atlas
for 1 god runs, i think poseidon and zeus are best
jagged perch
so special build?
random light
I like to call it "the Caveman Crit Core" because it's pretty much just "me no strategy, me wan big number, me take crit"
unkempt pagoda
don't even need to build your spin cause you won't be using it as anything other than a healbot
jagged perch
I see
unkempt pagoda
you're basically a super bow
jagged perch
I will try that in next run because i have been picking just spin boons
smoky atlas
speaking of guan yu, any idea how to increase the heal ticks?
random light
Take Rapid Spin on GY anytime
random light
Personally I recommend High Confidence on Guan Yu, the max HP cut means you're pretty squishy, so you should be trying to not get hit outright
unkempt pagoda
you can get more heal out of a spin if you just flick it instead of max charging it
unkempt pagoda
i was friends with stygian soul for a long time, but then i returned to infernal bc i love cast builds too much
and also lightning rod is good now
random light
hahahaha Poseidon just gave me Rupture, and my knockback boon is my Cast, which you know, is currently Mirage Shot Dem/Pos Duo XDDDDD
i reaaaaaallly wish I had taken a cast focus Aspect
and Infernal Soul
lol
unkempt pagoda
see now the play is to fish for fully loaded 
random light
funny way to say Artemis
smoky atlas
unkempt pagoda
obviously best god is zagreus 🤧
narrow rampart
bruh, serrated point on Achilles spear with Artemis dash is so good
old jungle
obviously best god is zagreus 🤧
@unkempt pagoda he's gettin there
smoky atlas
the power of blood and darkness
random light
hahaha and Demeter just handed me the 10 stack chill explosion at epic rarity
smoky atlas
god of edge
random light
how come my builds don't assemble themselves when I actually try to make them work
unkempt pagoda
god of talking back to people, and putting his hand through his hair
untold quiver
Cause it's a Roguelite
random light
Zagreus is god of having one hand palm up in front of him at all times
old jungle
this game helps me channeling my pent-up rage at DnD murderhoboing table
unkempt pagoda
yikes, those are awful
smoky atlas
i dream of the day i get blizzard shot, mirage shot, sea storm and second wave on the same run
random light
the only way this could get more busted is if, somehow, I manage to get the Poseidon/Zeus duo
smoky atlas
yea sea storm
random light
oh is that what that is
whoops
I got it once, and only once
was a Chiron run
quite fun
unkempt pagoda
sea storm is so simple but so, so good
random light
especially with Flood Shot as Mirage Demeter Duo
like
I already have Rupture too
maybe I'll just force Zeus for the next region
sage anchor
any aspect
random light
first time, like first time?
random light
I love GY
sage anchor
tryna farm titan bloods for all the aspects
unkempt pagoda
serrated edge is spear's best hammer, exploding launcher is a great special build
random light
caveman crit GY build, Arty Attack, Aphro Special, Athena Dash™️
unkempt pagoda
play hades spear and nothing else
sage anchor
wait so GY or hades
old jungle
GY is more comfortable from what I gather
unkempt pagoda
i personally prefer hades, but GY is also good (you just have to deal with the hp loss too)
sage anchor
im a newer player so maybe i should do hades?
unkempt pagoda
hades has built-in attack, special, and spin support, quite a variety
melee, ranged, and you can just throw gigantic quick spins if you want, which is great fun
smoky atlas
hades spear does have the power of simplicity
mighty ermine
still calling serrated point by its old name, eh onyx 
smoky atlas
spin > then do any thing
sage anchor
ill try tthe caveman build since he detailed the boons im supposed to go for
unkempt pagoda
listen, edge was so much better than point
mighty ermine
i agree
old jungle
If you're new, you better be able to soak up some damage and recover it, so pick builds that give you more sustain. Once you acclimate to fight tactics, take more damage and dash away from anything of menace
random light
REJECT well thought out, optimized, High Heat clearing modernity
EMBRACE caveman critical chance abuse build ft. Athena Dash™️ tradition
unkempt pagoda
hades spear is the latter but with athena attack instead
my plan with hades spear is to take divine strike, deadly flourish, fish for deadly reversal, get athena dash
and depending on what hammers i get, i either go attack, special, or spin build
smoky atlas
the fact that there isnt an aspect of poseidon for spear is outrageous
unkempt pagoda
tbf, he's still using his
smoky atlas
uncle should share
i mean we have aspect of hades spear
and daddy is still using it
unkempt pagoda
||it's actually a different spear, different name and everything||
random light
Yeah Hades gave up Varatha for the one he's got now
unkempt pagoda
gigaros is p beefy
random light
It's in the Varatha description in the Codex
smoky atlas
ah
old jungle
Any comments during the showdown about spear tho?
smoky atlas
he comments on all of your weapons
old jungle
I figured
old jungle
Gotta search on YouTube
smoky atlas
stabbing daddy with his own spear feels great
random light
dry ember
mighty ermine
putting dad's own personal sigil above his head
random light
might wanna put a spoiler tag on that keepsake part
unkempt pagoda
||hades keepsake|| is neat but i'm not actually sure how useful it is
random light
i think spoilers don't have to be tagged in this channel, maybe? but as a courtesy, and just in case they are supposed to be tagged
unkempt pagoda
plus i don't think it qualifies for smouldering air 
random light
||Hades keepsake|| gives free god gauge, but the Call seems kinda meh
smoky atlas
it is meh, only for flavor
random light
you sacrifice the ability to take another call and lose your trinket slot
i don't think it's worth
smoky atlas
i think ||hades says something when you use it in his fight||
random light
it is cool though
old jungle
This game does a pretty solid job on making every nex boss backside-whopping enjoyable and well-deserved. I just started second save to appreciate how Zag grows with progression, no matter how unlucky and hard runs I get.
Like, even mirror build affects it greatly, even though it's the least noticeable progression of all
(I like my 220%+ backstab damage)
random light
I mean most boons are available to you from the get go, even if you don't always get lucky with them. Weapon/Aspect and Mirror are definitely the biggest mark of progression
old jungle
You do not get the grip of building them into something solid until much later
Also, maybe it's just me, but I rarely dropped 2-3 purple gifts in one run until my 15th
stray holly
Anyone else thinking Ares Aid + Vicious Cycle might be a little broken?
unkempt pagoda
i should hope a legendary boon be a little broke
stray holly
Yeah but its only as broken on Aid
random light
It would probably be really good with Hunting Blades
hasty garnet
Gun question: for the 4th aspect, I assume attack speed increases work fine on it?
unkempt pagoda
yes
hasty garnet
Good good
random light
ok so like, if you get lucky and manage to snag Hermes' Legendary where Cast ammo comes back automatically and you have Stygian Soul equipped, your Cast recharge goes to 0
unkempt pagoda
i would assume it works like regular gun, in that you go through ammo quicker
that legendary doesn't appear when you have stygian soul
you get a different one
old jungle
Fat chance
random light
I swear I saw a Hermes boon that said "your bloodstone recharges faster" and "recharge time: 0 sec" and it was legendary
I swear it on the name of Athena Dash
unkempt pagoda
i mean, you can check the codex lol
smoky atlas
there is, but its not lengendary
random light
bruh if it's not Legendary that's even more busted
unkempt pagoda
auto reload is the stygian equivalent to quick reload for infernal
smoky atlas
yes its busted
unkempt pagoda
it reduces your recharge time to like 2.7 sec at common?
smoky atlas
in fact my favorite cast build is stygian soul with arte extra cast and hermes 2s cd
hasty garnet
Well I have the Eternal Chamber hammer upgrade, so the ammo going down faster doesnt matter
random light
can you imagine the Mirage Demeter/Poseidon duo with the rupture and chill explosion I've got right now with 0 sec cast CD
i would literally never have a better run
ever
unkempt pagoda
Well I have the Eternal Chamber hammer upgrade, so the ammo going down faster doesnt matter
then the tics should go by faster, i would imagine
random light
like i can't top that
smoky atlas
3 casts every 2-2.5s without the burden of collecting beats 5 casts + fetching cast in my book
hasty garnet
Also Chaos has been extremely kind to me. I got 2 Strike boons worth +58% and +70% damage for Attack damage.
random light
yeah honestly I prefer Stygian soul
hasty garnet
My gun is just melting everything right now.
random light
although if I was gonna do outright cast builds with like Poseidon sword, I'd probably switch to Infernal
@hasty garnet 
<- you in your current run mowing down the wretches
hasty garnet
Only thing that could make this better is Support Fire, but I think I have too many gods for Artmeis to show anymore.
random light
could force with her trinket?
keen magnet
Stygian soul with blade rifts or meme beam is really fun
random light
unless you already used it
keen magnet
Especially if you get artemis legendary
random light
i mean unless you need something else, like Skelly
smoky atlas
besides an all out caster, stygian soul also enables sort of a "spellblade" archetype
random light
funny enough, I'm playing a Spellblade in a D&D campaign literally right now lol
i love Spellblade type stuff
old jungle
Spellblades ftw!
hasty garnet
And Theseus just killed Asterius for me. Awesome
dry ember
Guys I need help
abstract ferry
?_?
unkempt pagoda
get damage
desert nacelle
Be pacifist
keen magnet
Go for synergies and duos
dry ember
I'm almost half an hour into a run with Zag Shield
abstract ferry
see grandpa chaos
dry ember
It's torture
keen magnet
What boons
dry ember
Divine Strike Deadly Flourish
unkempt pagoda
hammer?
dry ember
Was fishing for Charged Flight but no luck
keen magnet
Like what gods
unkempt pagoda
is zag shield upgraded at all lol
mighty ermine
fox stranded in zag shield run forever 2020
hasty garnet
Pressure Points..good enough
dry ember
Hell mode is hellish
unkempt pagoda
fox going for longest run ever record
unkempt pagoda
just die
hasty garnet
Oh wait theres a second artemis at the shop...I don need the diamond, yolo
dry ember
bUt Ma StReaK
unkempt pagoda
is the streak really worth playing shield for
hasty garnet
ugh, could reroll but theres a boon I need for the prophecies, and it's legendary even
dry ember
Is it Huge Catch?
hasty garnet
Fully Loaded. Nothing amazing, but it's there
unkempt pagoda
lol how'd i know
shadow ridge
Hell mode sounds hellish.
hasty garnet
Ill just pick it up so I dont have to later
unkempt pagoda
just do a true shot build, it'll come naturally
unkempt pagoda
bruh just get pressure points and exit wounds 😭
hasty garnet
Damn, too bad I didnt get that boon that makes enemies explode in ice at 10 Chill, that would have bene amazing here