Everywhere, honestly. Not enough knockback to reliably wall-slam enemies, ironically.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
odd quarry
Tempest Strike just seems awful on Sword, Spear, Fists, and Rail (that isn’t Hestia Aspect) from what I’ve played.
cunning urchin
It's bad on everything tbh lol.
odd quarry
It pushes enemies outside of your combo range which is kinda annoying
limber flax
what are considered the best calls?
cunning urchin
But it's fine, though. He has maybe the best Call in the game.
fickle anvil
it DEPENDS
limber flax
is zeus call good
fickle anvil
do you want damage? survavability? both?
odd quarry
I actually like it on Coronacht and Hestia rail if only for the knockback giving me room to breathe
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid, Poseidon's Aid, Zeus' Aid.
fickle anvil
ares' aid is also decent
cunning urchin
Eh.
desert nacelle
ATHENA 
random light
If you want just raw damage, I'm a huuuuge fan of the Artemis and Aphrodite calls
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid and Demeter's Aid are bottom tier.
rare kayak
im a fan of aphro call
fickle anvil
ah yes. let the enemy do the damage
odd quarry
Demeter’s Aid + Arctic Blast can be surprisingly good
fickle anvil
kinda hate aids that are only good at max stacks
rare kayak
honestly ive been finding demeters call pretty useful just to handle enemies that arent clumped up
odd quarry
But it’s mostly Arctic Blast that’s carrying it so
rare kayak
artemis call sucks pretty bad though
rare kayak
plus demeters call also destroys my framerate so i get to play the game slower
void fjord
ares and poseidon are top tier for me
rare kayak
woohoo
fickle anvil
plus demeters call also destroys my framerate so i get to play the game slower
@rare kayak now this is 4d chess
void fjord
i enjoy it
random light
Poseidon's Call is excellent
rare kayak
my issue with artemis full call is that the arrows waste themselves on one enemy even if the enemy dies
void fjord
as apposed to athena aid
random light
Yeah that's why I use max gauge Artemis on boss fights
rare kayak
except the secret one
random light
outside that
cunning urchin
I think Athena's Aid is overrated, but it's decent.
random light
i concede Artemis call is sucky
rare kayak
but even at max gauge other calls do more damage unless you get really lucky on crits
fickle anvil
ares is basically a half ass between athena and poseidon. you are invincible and can move in any direction and also do damage, but you move slow and can't attack.
random light
The only Athena boon that really matters is Athena Dash 
rare kayak
strike is pretty good
random light
Divine Strike is very nice
rare kayak
her leg is nice too
random light
I love using it on Guan Yu lol
void fjord
athena aid is decent, but just get her legendary lol
random light
^^ tru tho
cunning urchin
Why not both?
random light
Athena Legendary + Athena Dash and you should never take damage again
random light
throw in Hermes +3 dashes for max invincible
cunning urchin
High heat meta is Divine ... in every slot lol.
void fjord
well cant die if you cant get hit
cunning urchin
Exactly.
rare kayak
high heat meta is poseidon every slot actually
thw water cools down the pact and makes the game easier
cunning urchin
Well.
void fjord
i wld like it if in asphodel poseidon boons were more steamy
rare kayak
tidal dash is real good tbh esp with the one that makes blasts when hitting walls
makes like half the rooms in styx very free
cunning urchin
I don't think I saw your meme build concept.
rare kayak
pos dash + sea storm + smouldering + secret aid + whatever call boons
the secret aid doesnt expire on dash as far as i can tell
- ruthless + new aspect
barren otter
Today I had a run where I managed to make Artemis' Aid work. Level 5, Splitting Headache, Heart Rend, Eris rail damage boost, had some moments where one arrow dealt like at least 2k damage somehow.
cunning urchin
I've no idea what ||Secret Aid|| is. Sounds like spoilers. 
limber flax
how strong is rupture
rare kayak
pretty good if only for privileged status lol
plus the damage can be pretty sick if you play around it properly
limber flax
rupture right
fair plinth
quick question about pierced butterfly
if i swap it out later on
do the bonus retain?
fair plinth
hmm... so it's a do or die then
rare kayak
yea
fair plinth
and what's wrong with my pfp >:U
rare kayak
same goes for hermes keepsake or even something like strong drink
you know exactly whats wrong with it
fair plinth
it's just a sad panda
cunning urchin
@rare kayak you evil panda hater.
rare kayak
trust me nyaa you should be on my side
cunning urchin
@rare kayak 🔫
rare kayak
how do yall rate side hustle btw
fair plinth
A tier if you get it in tartarus
rare kayak
nah its not worth giving up a hermes slot
cunning urchin
Nowhere near A tier in Tartarus.
fair plinth
and you clear all the rooms in styx
rare kayak
unless he offers like hyper dash and call reload alongside it any other boon is more valuable i think
fair plinth
its a LOT of gold, and you can sell it later in styx temple
rare kayak
and even call reload can be good
fair plinth
then pick up the bonus hermes boon
rare kayak
not call, cast
cunning urchin
You don't clear all tunnels on heat that's difficult to clear unless you have to.
It's a great boon for lower heat farming.
rare kayak
its cool if youre playing on lower heat because you can full clear styx for titan/diamond but if im on a tough run
nah
steel radish
I had a run earlier where I had Poseidons Special-Boosting Boon on Heroic, as well as having it upgraded to level +12
rare kayak
oh wow
cunning urchin
When you have to min-max value at higher heats, it's just bottom tier.
fair plinth
oooh, spear run and i got athena's attack
rare kayak
i never get anything beyond +3 except on luxury styx runs but thats also just me super undervaluing poms
bad habit
rare kayak
if i had some demeter boons i might go tipsy and convert to ice wine run lol
cunning urchin
Poms are worth it if it actually results in you needing fewer hits to kill.
steel radish
That +270% damage realy made my day, even tho I lost 2 defiances in one room cause Poseidon pushed me into an trap-arrow, while my pact of punishment boosted said traps
cunning urchin
Otherwise, your pom did literally nothing except change a number in your UI.
magic dagger
would you prefer maybe?
limber flax
who
rare kayak
u
magic dagger
I've gone without dashes, intentionally
limber flax
ye i dont have a dash
magic dagger
don't hate on the man
cunning urchin
I often have no Dash when I get to Elysium.
fickle anvil
no but they help since you kinda dash a lot
cunning urchin
Or I have Divine Dash.
random light
If it's not Athena Dash, I'm not taking it
cunning urchin
It's one of the two.
random light
unless I'm using sword, then sometimes I take Artemis dash
random light
Rupture
limber flax
fog*
rare kayak
rupture or fog are both valid
cunning urchin
Yeah, sometimes Hunter Dash lol.
random light
sometimes, on rare occasions, you can take Artemis dash
limber flax
i have two duos in my run rn
random light
otherwise, Athena Dash™️ best dash 😤
runic osprey
and every single upgrade goes to athena dash
cunning urchin
That's the meta, Hunter Dash or Divine Dash or leave the slot open until you get either.
limber flax
scintilating? then go fog
@rare kayak idk what that is but i have fog+zeus
runic osprey
and you have a level 14 one by the time you finish hades
rare kayak
thats scintillating
limber flax
okay
rare kayak
the lightning in fog
rare kayak
wait
random light
I don't ever put Poms into dash, i'm just in it for that sweet deflect invulnerability
rare kayak
how many cast amko you got
runic osprey
with pom blossom you don't get to pick
limber flax
3
rare kayak
go cast
limber flax
not a lot
limber flax
you can get 4
magic dagger
you can have more than three casts
limber flax
ye
fair plinth
is spending the gold for infernal trove worth it?
rare kayak
im fully aware of fully loaded grasp and prom stone
magic dagger
I've seen twelve, regenerating, before
rare kayak
doesnt no but you can just use cast and kill things
magic dagger
the duo damage doesn't increase, correct
limber flax
i would use cast and close combat together either way
rare kayak
idk i would go fog in this case
limber flax
hmm
rare kayak
also depends on how well u can aim
since trippy shot is uh
not very good at landing a hit
sometimes
cunning urchin
You should pom Splitting Bolt.
rare kayak
oh truee
limber flax
rupture upgrade means +30 dmg per second
cunning urchin
Always Splitting Bolt.
fickle anvil
if only you could pom bouldy perks 
rare kayak
up to u ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber flax
i know haha
fair plinth
are there any alerts to tell you when a fishing spot is available?
rare kayak
yes theres noise on room clear
random light
are there any alerts to tell you when a fishing spot is available?
@fair plinth It does like a ping
fair plinth
just noticed i missed one when i exited the encounter and zag told me
rare kayak
ding sound
fickle anvil
are there any alerts to tell you when a fishing spot is available?
@fair plinth a mega ding after you finish the chamber
fair plinth
ah aight
cunning urchin
Just go with what you think is best, and experiment.
rare kayak
unless u mash kb
does anyone know if amiguity bouldy actually do anything or should i just blame sgg
limber flax
wait
fair plinth
ew, got all 3 spear special boons from the hammer
robust anchor
its worthless
rare kayak
poggers
robust anchor
ambiguity is nothing:(
fair plinth
breaching skewer/charged skewer/exploding launcher
rare kayak
well some runs you get ambiguity some runs you get 5% more obols
fair plinth
any suggestions?
random light
@cunning urchin I tried the Doom attack on Demeter Fists. I can see why it's better on higher Heat. I think, like you said, I'm still not at high enough Heat for that optimization to make significant impacts, since being at roughly 12-15 Heat rn means I can basically do whatever and as long as I'm not totally stupid about my build I'll be fine
I think I also just don't like Doom as a status lol, I'm gonna go again with the Zeus Attack, I definitely prefer the Lightning over Doom
rare kayak
random boon
limber flax
oh
random light
I mean I've been going Aphro Attack plus Artemis special for Demeter, but as @cunning urchin pointed out with the crunched numbers, Doom/Lightning is stronger at higher heat
hey a boon's a boon
it's only 125
ionic kettle
Doom on attack with Athena duo is realy good
rare kayak
i can see it working but the micro im thinking of reminds me of why i dont like high heat
random light
where's your Athena Dash Blanky? 
join the Church of Athena Dash
one of us, one of us
limber flax
idk what that even is
ionic kettle
but you Athena on special and dash
rare kayak
and yeah zeus on fists is fun as hexk
fickle anvil
then don't focus on builds yet. focus on leveling that mirror
random light
Athena Dash is the Dash upgrade that Athena gives you, which gives you straight up invincibility while dashing and deflects attacks back at the attacker when you dash
ionic kettle
yes, zeus is simple and fun on fists
random light
Athena is the correct Dash option like 95%+ of your runs
sometimes it's Artemis' Dash
but usually Athena Dash is the way to go
rare kayak
actually what you do is you run ares dash and go full blade vortex run hell yeah
random light
I'm not biased
fickle anvil
actually what you do is run no dash and use the shackles keepsake
run nothing
no boons
rare kayak
actually what you do is you dash into lava in asphodel 250 runs in a row to unlock the secret zagreus fire foot dash
sterile comet
So
I have just created a build, in-game, that I like to call The Dudebro.
Basically
fickle anvil
actually what you do is you dash into lava in asphodel 250 runs in a row to unlock the secret zagreus fire foot dash
@rare kayak is that the one that makes you do damage to hades while in the great hall?
random light
no boons
@fickle anvil real talk though, I've wondered how an "atheist" run in Hades would go
sterile comet
You stack effects from Poseidon, Zeus, and Dionysus, built around Festive Fog.
random light
how much heat you could take before the game just becomes unbeatable
rare kayak
nah nah nah this builds already missing ice win
fickle anvil
depends on the luck you get with hammer
rare kayak
thats not a typo
sterile comet
I had Knockback on my attack from Po, Lightning Damage on my special from Zeus, Lightning damage on Festive Fog, Lightning Damage on my Knockbacks, and Double Lightning Damage from Zeus's Ultimate, which was choice.
fickle anvil
unless you count hammer as god boon
sterile comet
So I was just
Smacking ppl into a hallucinogenic hurricane
And laughing at them as they took hundreds of damage from just standing still
Without me having to click anything.
limber flax
aphrodite dash opinions?
hearty elbow
It's not Divine
random light
Not Athena Dash, 0/10
fickle anvil
it's a dash alright
limber flax
ôof
hearty elbow
It's fine if you need PS real bad
random light
Blanky, memes aside, Athena dash is actually the way to go.
robust anchor
whens she’s pretty, smart, and gives you divine dash 😍
hearty elbow
or you need something to trigger Heart Rend and the special is unusable (e.g. Lucifer)
limber flax
do you like revenge damage?
random light
eh
median oar
athena dash can embed bad habits
random light
i'm personally not a fan
limber flax
btw
hearty elbow
Vengeful Mood is fine
limber flax
pls delete
hearty elbow
@limber flax If you use a burst companion that room can be done in literally less than a second
limber flax
i hate elysium so much
fickle anvil
whens she’s pretty, smart, and gives you divine dash 😍
@robust anchor i wouldn't call arthemis smart
random light
he's nowhere near that point
desert nacelle
If posseidon was a cyborg he would make synthwaves
limber flax
uh
random light
he's not getting companion anytime soon
narrow rampart
Mini chariots with the puller perk,,,,,,
limber flax
do i unlock companions later or am i stupid
leaden prism
What gods should I be going for with ||Arthur||?
random light
much later
limber flax
okay
leaden prism
and specfically what boons
robust anchor
aphrodite
narrow rampart
^
desert nacelle
Artemis
robust anchor
just big fat damage
robust anchor
yes i do both on nemesis
fickle anvil
narrow rampart
aphro on special to apply weak, Artemis on attack, and get their duo
leaden prism
any hammer upgrade I should take it?
random light
When in doubt, you can never go wrong with Artemis/Aphrodite combo, on higher heat that doesn't really apply, but most people aren't playing on that level of heat
narrow rampart
hee hoo crits make big damage unga bunga
random light
Double Nova Hammer
desert nacelle
@leaden prism any tbh
random light
hee hoo crits make big damage unga bunga
@narrow rampart this, but like unironically
leaden prism
I see big special being good
narrow rampart
yep
You could also get double edged sword/the two dash attacks one
and get Artemis dash
and just,,, dash 2 win
random light
I think Double Nova plus the double dash strike is the way to go on Sword
but when you crit
narrow rampart
good enough
narrow rampart
just make sure to be hitting while in your aura, to minimise damage taken
random light
also you should snag Pressure Points
narrow rampart
^
random light
it's more crit
fickle anvil
what's everyone's opinion on pressure points tho
random light
more crit is always good
I L O V E Pressure Points
easily one of my top three used
hearty elbow
I like Dash Nova for +1 dash on Nemesis
narrow rampart
if you want, you could get Athena dash instead of Artemis dash, and get the Athena/Artemis duo
added safety and extra crit chance
random light
I think Sword is the only weapon where I don't take Athena Dash, Artemis Dash is great for Sword
you dash strike a lot
narrow rampart
yeah
random light
Lv1 is fine
narrow rampart
still nice to have the added survivability, if youre just testing it out
random light
If you're gonna drop Blood into Stygius, max Nemesis first tbh
narrow rampart
yeah i kept it at lv1 most of the time tbh
random light
Followed by Poseidon
fickle anvil
i think if he has ||arthur|| then blood was already spent
bright flint
but ye max nemesis
narrow rampart
blood was spent,,, i want that on a shirt
leaden prism
I've been clearing with poseidon
random light
i think if he had ||arthur|| then blood was already spent
@fickle anvil Yeah but any further blood spent on Arthur probably isn't a good investment, in an opportunity cost sense
random light
is nemesis better
@leaden prism Nemesis is really good, especially at higher levels, still strong on lower levels
leaden prism
so I can load my save
robust anchor
i love nemesis
fickle anvil
big brain
random light
Free crit always 
robust anchor
pretty fast runs
narrow rampart
nemesis crits with aphro attack poggers
leaden prism
not with artemis?
robust anchor
aphro art duo pogu
cunning urchin
Pressure Points is good because it unlocks Support Fire. You'll barely feel its own effect at all, though.
random light
ooooh that's that good stuff
leaden prism
so you say I should go nemesis first
fair plinth
whats the definition of "distant foes"
solid cairn
Nemesis is a beast
leaden prism
I can load my save and buy that yea
random light
Pressure Points has good impact on things that hit a bunch of times, like Rail, Fists
fair plinth
how far are we talking
narrow rampart
either Artemis or Aphrodite is good with nemesis, or again, both
fickle anvil
whats the definition of "distant foes"
@fair plinth it means almost max range of your bow
random light
But yeah Support Fire is the big draw usually
fair plinth
will the spear trigger it?
solid cairn
If you want to kill things very fast, go nemesis
leaden prism
but aphro attack right
fickle anvil
will the spear trigger it?
@fair plinth it should
cunning urchin
Atrack speed doesn't matter for crits.
random light
imo
fickle anvil
crits/minute however...
random light
Attack speed doesn't matter, but more attacks means better odds of critting
narrow rampart
yeah agreed with Athena, tbh
bright flint
I like aphro attack better because of the extra damage, I think nemesis alr has enough crit chance
random light
as opposed to +0% damage, I'd still take the +6%
narrow rampart
pressure points really shines with Hunter's mark imo
dry ember
a niche bonus
narrow rampart
if you don't have anything that crits besides pressure points
robust anchor
its bc art can increase some crit dmg too not just the chance
fickle anvil
it do be true that 2 skills with crit is better than 1. big tru's are said in this chat
bold statements only
robust anchor
i usually pray for athena dash and the exposed thing to proc privilege too
random light
Pressure Points is never bad even it's just never the thing you're going for
leaden prism
so the question is
cunning urchin
The chance to even trigger Hunter's Mark with just Pressure Points is too low to make a real difference DPS-wise.
leaden prism
is the 15% extra crit worth over aphro attack dmg and weak
cunning urchin
Yeah, it's definitely not bad.
robust anchor
no
narrow rampart
pressure points with rapid hit weapons/casts, though
random light
^^^
narrow rampart
I like pressure points with Zeus attack on fists/rail
or pressure points with Ares/Demeter casts
dry ember
do I finish my midterm exam (just typing it up) or play Hades?
random light
Rail with Pressure Points, Support Fire is big fun
turbid needle
Pressure point allows you to get artemis legendary
narrow rampart
midteeeerm
leaden prism
but artemis legendary is for cast builds
random light
do I finish my midterm exam (just typing it up) or play Hades?
@dry ember Finish your exam and then binge Hades because you'll be free to play your heart out
hearty elbow
Pressure points interacts well with hunter's mark.
bright flint
do I finish my midterm exam (just typing it up) or play Hades?
multitask
magic dagger
@dry ember whichever you do, do it better than the other guy
turbid needle
@leaden prism it's still one of the tree you need to get for the legendary. Plus it's still decent enough on Hera bow
random light
He's using Nemesis
random light
I purged a Duo because I was like eh this doesn't really matter for my build
fickle anvil
or just never buy anything cus charon is a scam
random light
I got the Zeus/Poseidon duo and I was like.... I'm using Fists I don't need this
random light
death and taxes, the only two things that are inevitable
desert nacelle
Soviet Hades 
random light
Thanatos and Charon?
fickle anvil
hmm actually. that doesn't sound bad. no shop run
might actually be able to use that one hammer boon that increases damage with money
random light
hmm actually. that doesn't sound bad. no shop run
@fickle anvil Make sure to use the Convenience Fee Pact if you're skipping shops anyways
free Heat
fickle anvil
HMMM
random light
instead of using the money scaling hammer, just save up all your obol and grab the Titan Blood or Diamond that's chilling in the Styx shop
you can never have too many Diamonds/Blood
fickle anvil
instead of using the money scaling hammer, just save up all your obol and grab the Titan Blood or Diamond that's chilling in the Styx shop
@random light honestly did that in runs that i visited every shop bcz i always choose money when i'm faced with money vs centaur heart choice
mr krabs run
random light
The only time I ever go Centaur Heart is when I'm on Guan Yu
otherwise Obol is definitely more useful imo
fickle anvil
you could make the argument that centaur heart is worth 125
so ur getting more worth
tawny quest
https://imgur.com/a/bFzsDwB I have no idea what just happened, but i'll take it (got perfect hunting blades setup with crit demeter fists)
fickle anvil
as for the atheist run i gave it some thought. you will need a lot of dice to avoid gods
random light
You could take the Underworld Customs Pact to forcefully drop as many boons as you can
And sell the rest with Wells
fickle anvil
i think a true atheist run is to never pick up god boons
random light
Maybe they’ll add a Pact condition for it at some point
+5 or so Heat, you don’t get Boons
Maybe more +Heat since that’s a hefty nerf
+10 Heat, no boons?
fickle anvil
i mean if meg comments on the fact that you purged your mirror when you fight her after she comments that none of the victories over her count cus you had the mirror, maybe hades also comments on teh fact that you never touched god boons until him
random light
I don’t know if Supergiant considered the possibility of an atheist run. I mean I’m sure it’s been brought up and discussed but idk if they’ve considered actually making it an official option in the game.
craggy burrow
Any guide to Daedalus hammer builds?
desert nacelle
What can u say about ||hades|| call?
random light
I don’t know if the game would be possible to beat at high heat with no Boon
What can u say about ||hades|| call?
@desert nacelle it’s cool, idk if it’s really that useful, considering you have to use your trinket slot for it
desert nacelle
Just Athena 2.0 or something unusual?
random light
I mean Athena straight up makes you invincible not just invisible
I’d think Athena’s Call is better than the Hidden Call
fickle anvil
you can still take damage while invisible if i'm not mistaken
random light
Yeah, it’s a cool thing, I don’t think it’s worth, especially once you start climbing Heat levels
If it had been some kind of permanent upgrade from the Mirror or something like that I’d advocate for it more but using a trinket for a meh Call is... questionable
random light
Take your time boss, I’m not past 15 heat myself lol
fickle anvil
oooof
random light
I think until you clear like 20something Heat you can be pretty carefree with your builds, beyond that you might wanna start checking out the high heat builds channel
desert nacelle
I just dont know whats mine in this game 
solid cairn
My highest heat is 17
desert nacelle
i'm taking Athena's dashes most of the time but i'm not getting enough dmg to kill hades
and i die
random light
What weapons do you normally take
solid cairn
I could probably go higher, I’m just trying to speedrun now just for fun
random light
And what Aspect
I could probably go higher, I’m just trying to speedrun now just for fun
@solid cairn sometimes I go to no Heat just to blitz through for Hermes clout lol
It’s fun
desert nacelle
Most of my tries were Spear with crit build
solid cairn
Some modifiers actually make things faster
random light
Ah yeah, Spear with crit isn’t a bad choice
But there’s definitely more efficient ways
Which spear Aspect?
solid cairn
Mainly extreme measure 2, tight deadline, and forced overtime
desert nacelle
Guan Yu
solid cairn
Ah guan yu
desert nacelle
zero times
random light
Ah yeah that’s rough
solid cairn
Guan yu special build is more consistent
desert nacelle
But my tries were triple dash attack
solid cairn
Spin build is very reliant on getting a hammer
random light
GY is super flexible and I love it but it’s super reliant on that hammer if you wanna do attack focused builds
leaden prism
welp
random light
But if you get that Hammer, oh man
desert nacelle
and i was getting dash dmg from chaos and stuff
leaden prism
went artemis attack and aphro special
solid cairn
However the special just needs Athena special
solid cairn
*artemis
random light
You can’t reroll like that
desert nacelle
@random light but since healing would be lost
runic osprey
i usually keep GY attack boonless
desert nacelle
not sure if spear is my need now
random light
It gives you the same rarity and boon types
runic osprey
to get more hits out of the spin for more HP recovery
solid cairn
Attack speed I think increases the tick rate of the spin
random light
Well I mean, with Guan Yu, you really don’t want to be getting hit in the first place
cunning urchin
I don’t know if the game would be possible to beat at high heat with no Boon
I think 32 at least is doable.
random light
I take High Confidence on GY
desert nacelle
@random light What would u reccomend on Demeter fists?
cunning urchin
@main osprey what was the highest you did boonless?
solid cairn
Demeter fists is kinda similar to nemesis, but Artemis on special
Aphro on attack maybe
random light
Since you’re on relatively low heat
jaunty solar
what is a good build on coronatch hera aspect?
i never actually play coronatch so i really dont know
random light
For Demeter Fists, I’d say Aphro/Zeus Attack, Artemis special, Athena Dash
For Hammers take the Explosive Dash Upper and either Breaching Dash Strike or Double Kick Special depending on what you get offered
If you go Aphro Attack, shoot for the Aphro/Art duo
Ares Attack on Demeter Fists is also very good
I was taught that today
But since you’re on lower heat, you might like the Aphro or Zeus more
solid cairn
Explosive upper is insane
random light
I’ll admit I’m biased against Doom, so you might appreciate Ares Attack more than I do lol
cunning urchin
Attack: Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, or Curse of Agony
Special: Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish
Dash: Hunter Dash or Divine Dash
Hammers: Breaching Cross, Explosive Upper, Long Knuckle
desert nacelle
@cunning urchin thanks 
runic osprey
explosive upper only affects dash-spec right?
random light
Yes
viscid finch
Hey y'all. How much is everyone using the Cast?
I feel like I'm underutilizing it
But None of the boons seem that compelling
desert nacelle
Just on bosses
jaunty solar
spam them on bosses for extra damage
cunning urchin
Divine Flourish isn't a bad choice, either.
jaunty solar
or you can build around them
viscid finch
"Only use on bosses". Yeah, that's basically all I've been using them for
Curious if there's other, better uses
random light
I’m not a fan of Cast builds personally, I’m more of the “caveman monke brain me crit me see big number me happy” type play style but there are some excellent cast builds
viscid finch
LOL. yeah. Go for the B I G N U M B E R
solid cairn
Oh poseidon with Zeus cast?
desert nacelle
Yea
jaunty solar
you can do ares cast builds
viscid finch
What does the Zeus Cast do?
solid cairn
That’s a fast build, I still think artemis cast is better in a non speed situation
desert nacelle
Bounce frome enemy to emeny like fast
viscid finch
Oh nice
cunning urchin
Cast when waves spawn, cast before engaging enemies with melee, cast at off-screen enemies to determine their exact position with the minor homing, lodge bloodstones into any tanky enemies for Boiling Blood.
random light
Yeah even if you don’t go cast build, Boiling Blood is free damage so you should cast at enemies regardless
viscid finch
What does Boiling Blood do exactly?
And do you get it by default or do you have to unlock it?
random light
More damage to enemies with a cast ammo in them
desert nacelle
@random light and i readed wrong i though hidden call gives Invincible not Invisible 😄
random light
XD
desert nacelle
it also gives dmg boost 
viscid finch
I must have unlocked it super early on. Must have fogotten
Cuz that sounds vaguely familiar
viscid finch
Yeah, that sounds familiar
cunning urchin
Even without Boiling Blood, base cast is great for the simple fact that it stuns enemies.
viscid finch
I'd check, but I'm in the middle of a run 😄
desert nacelle
Most of the times i used base cast tbh
random light
And using a cast at base still deals damage, and free damage is always good damage
cunning urchin
Very important for RI4 and high heat with melee especially.
desert nacelle
i dont like non of changed casts
probably posseidon one coz its same as base and i'm 100% sure where my cast gonna stuck in
random light
You might want Artemis cast if that’s what you like
random light
Seeking shot, it crits , it sticks
desert nacelle
that one too
fair plinth
wooo first clear!! Spear with athena's divine attack rocks socks
desert nacelle
i dont like it at all
coz most of the time its somewhere but not in the enemy i puted it in
cunning urchin
Hmm. Phalanx Shot is probably the best general cast. 
fair plinth
also managed to snag a hermes +2 dash in the final boon in temple which saved my build
desert nacelle
yay
viscid finch
Congrats @fair plinth
fair plinth
was so damn close, no dd left and 25/250 hp
hearty elbow
I like Flood + Razor Shoals a lot
desert nacelle
@random light anyway i'm gonna try that thing coz it needs to be maxed out
desert nacelle
trinket
random light
Or Nemesis?
desert nacelle
hidden
random light
Oh that one
Do you get anything for maxing all trinkets?
Other than like, personal satisfaction
desert nacelle
dont think so
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow yeah, I meant for just base cast and in general.
cunning urchin
Deflect wins yet again lol.
random light
I was really sad that there was no Nyx companion
;-;
Would have been cool
Is there a hidden ||Persephone Companion? I know she gives a trinket.||
desert nacelle
Cerberus companion 
cunning urchin
Lady Nyx's summon is Zagreus.
viscid finch
OK hold up. Just tried Demeter Cast. It's dope
random light
Bro you can’t even pet all three heads, much less get a Cerby companion 
placid goblet
does boiling blood with with aphro cast
desert nacelle
U need 3 Zags to pat all of them
cunning urchin
The other heads don't like being petted.
placid goblet
or does aphro cast not stay inside them
placid goblet
i meant with boiling blood
i dont think it does i just took it
it applies the aphro debuff but doesn't keep the gem inside them
so boiling doesn't work
cunning urchin
Just go with the prophecy.
Early on, fulfilling all the prophecies and stuff just opens up a lot of things.
Plus, you get to experience all the stuff they made. 
sweet cargo
ok i'm having a fun Artimis Eris rail run where I ||fought Charon|| in Tartarus lol
desert nacelle
Rare crop is useful if i got it early?
sweet cargo
somehow won w/ 20 hp and no death defiances left but managed to hitless meg
but um now I'm next to death, should I get feather duster or tooth to keep myself alive?
random light
like 5 projectiles
@desert nacelle
If you like that one, you’ll love the double kick special hammer
desert nacelle
will it be efficient with Demeter?
sweet cargo
also rare crop is good even in elysium since the temple has very long chambers
desert nacelle
random light
I 3 round KO’d Lernie with that
sweet cargo
I got it like a couple chambers before theseus and I still managed to get the affected boons to Heroic in 3 tunnels or less so
also some1 answer me I wanna win a run w/ loyalty card from Tartarus for bragging rights
random light
Loyalty card?
random light
Yes Rare Crop will upgrade to Heroic
desert nacelle
thanks
random light
Given enough time
sweet cargo
||Charon's reward when u beat him after stealing his stash||
sweet cargo
||I recommend waiting to Elysium before fighting him normally, he hits harder than Hades lol||
sweet cargo
yeah that's prolly the best choice, thx
random light
Demeter Fists is one of my three faves, other two being Rama bow and Nemesis sword
desert nacelle
i did my second fast run with Rama
WIth crit on Attack and hammer
which gives Arrow possibility to bounce between enemies
and double shot
fluid scaffold
I got ||artie|| sword today and apart from the aesthetic I'm not a fan
onyx parcel
Demeter Fists is one of my three faves, other two being Rama bow and Nemesis sword
@random light Demeter is really fun to play
fluid scaffold
the Special feels like a noob trap to make me wanna stay in one spot all the time
onyx parcel
Nemesis also fun
Chaos shield and hades aspect gets second place for me
Screw the bow and gun
random light
Bruh Bow and Rail are so fun
onyx parcel
Hate ranged weapons, all my homies hate ranged weapons
random light
Shield
fun
I guess it’s just a difference in play style
fluid scaffold
I'm close to credits and haven't managed to get past Elysium with rail or bow
random light
Athena Dash
fluid scaffold
gauntlet mouse button spam go brrrr
random light
Mfw get offered two Athena boons and none of them have Dash option
desert nacelle
she had no chance
random light
What have I done to deserve this
I have been loyal to the Athena Dash church my whole life
Why am I forsaken
desert nacelle
was listening linking park not that much as u shoud
onyx parcel
U must offer ur soul to the church pray
fluid scaffold
have a common dionysus dash instead 
random light
Maybe Athena’s just mad because, despite my constant Athena Dash pushing, Artemis is my favorite of the boon givers lmao
O o p s
desert nacelle
fluid scaffold
let them be jealous as much as they want
unless it's a Trial room and I have to fight aphrodite bc screw that
random light
Aphrodite’s Trial isn’t so bad
Poseidon and Artemis tend to screw me over the most
Athena’s is actually quite tame, unless you’re pressed for time
Demeter’s is also big 
hearty elbow
Athena's Trial is moderately soul crushing if she protects a shade next to a weapon
fluid scaffold
Athena's with a poseidon build is literally free 
fair plinth
um
random light
I think Chiron bow was the only time I used Knockback builds
Per region
And any time left over is added to the next region’s timer
fair plinth
jesus
desert nacelle
@random light grandma gonna lose this battle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712749399700406294/759479808429654016/unknown.png
random light
Imagine giving up Athena Daah
desert nacelle
@random light i know
fluid scaffold
what happens when you exceed the time limit?
random light
I mean Tartarus and Asphodel in 5 mins isn’t that bad
fluid scaffold
"or else..."
random light
You take steady damage
Until you die or clear the region
Timer stops on boss defeat
random light
And timer also pauses on boon choices, fishing, etc.
fluid scaffold
what are the easiest pact options generally?
I felt the region boss upgrade, and extra blue hearts were easiest but idk
leaden prism
So I tried aspect of nemesis for the first time
well, you can see the results in #h1-victory-boasting
random light
I would say easier Pacts are Convenience Fee, first step of Deadline
Extreme Measures 1 isn’t tough
leaden prism
Only reason it was so close was because I got the chop right before hades fight from an anvil
burnt sandal
most of them on their own aren't too bad, they just add up to more than the sum of their parts
random light
And honestly EM2 is easy once you get used to it
leaden prism
I only found one hammer and it was 300% armor attack dmg
random light
You should get two guaranteed hammers per run
You must have missed one
If you’re good at not taking hits, Lasting Consequences is free heat
hearty elbow
EM2 gets pretty threatening with FO2 HL5 and HS
sterile comet
"Goodbye, go stand in the lightning storm"
Now I want to try it with the Aspect of Hera.
Already tried with Aspect of Zeus and Aspect of ||Guan Yu||
solid cairn
is dash upper affected by increased dash strike damage
random light
should be
fluid scaffold
dash strike means the dash attack iirc so my guess is no
pallid dagger
i think the Giant Soulcatcher owes me damages
winged zephyr
After you use a God Keepsake(Artemis), if you get the same boon do you still get the 20% rare or better perk?
dark quail
What is the most fun shield aspect?
atomic jacinth
i suggest going for a aphro attack and dio special, anything else is upto u
@void fjord what about hammer?
random light
What is the most fun shield aspect?
@dark quail I would say Zeus
void fjord
hammer is up to u
fair plinth
World Splitter/Double Edge/Piercing Wave
void fjord
i enjoy the more dmg on bull rush hammer
atomic jacinth
@void fjord wouldn't additional 4 enemies for special be amazing on chaos?
@fair plinth piercing wave is pretty cool in my experience
It's as if you imitate the Elysium swordsmen
hard holly
Wait, did they buff Bows special damage?
teal wren
what's your guys favorite weapons for caster builds? I'm often taking poseidon's sword if nothing else for the +50% damage
random light
Hera and Hestia are also good for cast builds i think
thick raptor
Achilles
teal wren
achilles' up to +150% for the next few casts wasnt it?
void zenith
Hera bow and Beowulf shield are great with high damage casts
thick raptor
Next 3 casts
covert hatch
Huh, every weapon has a Cast option for it
covert hatch
Well, aside maybe fists?
next moss
Im like heat 4
teal wren
yeah was gonna say dont think fists do
void zenith
Well, one way to use fists is to use magnetism + blade rifts or festive fog
covert hatch
Poseidon sword, Achilles spear, Beo shield, Hera bow, and Eris rail
And yeah the fists have indirect ones for sure
Maybe 4th aspect?
Does ||Maim increase cast damage||?
teal wren
might be ||maim|| increases cast damage I guess
median oar
I want to slam heat 0 in as short a time as possible, is there a guide anywhere on how I can achieve this? my fastest has been with sword 4 but 16 minutes seems on the long side compared to what I've seen people do
sterile comet
Who has the highest cast damage out of the Olympians?
hard holly
@covert hatch it does, yes
covert hatch
Well there we go
random light
Aphrodite usually has the most straight up burst damage, but I don't know if she's the best cast
covert hatch
I'm going to try ||EM4|| again after work tonight, and I'm leaning towards Nemesis with crit or Chiron
Thoughts?
hard holly
Chiron is safer, so
marsh dawn
And nemesis will hurt your hands spamming dash-strike as your only source of damage 
random light
Yes
rigid glen
anyone know any good builds for arthur
trim grotto
When does Hestia get good? Seems like I do more DPS just firing normally. Do you need higher levels in the weapon?
void zenith
Just reload after each shot
trim grotto
I do, the damage is pretty low.
More DPS just firing a full clip, unless I am missing something.
void zenith
You do have to upgrade it a bit to really shine, yeah
I kinda change my playstyle when I use hestia. Shoot a few shots, then dash and reload to reposition, rather than just unloading the whole clip like with zag aspect
robust anchor
what should i do for demeter fist? just aphro on special? or maybe art
void zenith
Also, it gets better if you get good daedalus upgrades, like pierce or ricochet
marsh dawn
Every weapon has an aspect that is good without upgrades and one that needs upgrades to shine.
hard holly
Hestia gets good once you put a fair few levels into the weapons, yeah
Plus
Use Artemis dash
It affects the damage of the oneshot, which is big
unborn inlet
What Olympians are good with Exagryph? I feel like I keep building it wrong currently, the attack feels very weak and the only other build I did was an Artemis crit build on the +300% special.
void zenith
Zeus is pretty nice
hearty elbow
Talos fist gives a cast bonus
void zenith
Demeter is too
turbid needle
Good special for Demeter fists?
thorn jolt
I like the following boons for Rail Attack:
poseidon since the weapon lacks knockback
artemis for chonks on hestia
aphrodite for the Unhealthy Fixation charm-lock CC on ||lucifer||
dionysus because you attack fast
and everyone's favorite zeus
thorn jolt
alternatively there are two OP hammers to get together:
- rocket special
- triple shot special or quintuple shot special
getting both means you can just delete every non-boss room til the end
@turbid needle Unhealthy Fixation + Eternal Chamber hammer is the best
turbid needle
Eternal chamber on Lucy seems such a waste tho
At that point I prefer going for another aspect altogether
thorn jolt
it sucks for room clear though, just wins boss rooms
fair, I do like eternal chamber + triple beam
it's just so easy after that, (1) find a corner (2) spray and pray
turbid needle
You still lose so much damage with eternal chamber
lone lava
Does the aphrodite + demeter duo boon kinda suck or do I just not know how to use it
turbid needle
You can do that all the same without chamber, just need to time your reload propely
@lone lava it's actually quite good when you're with a. Close range weapon like fists or sword
lone lava
Huh
turbid needle
Just put three beams all around you and melee the guy, it makes it hard for any enemy that is close
lone lava
Ah so they should be a bit spread out?
fickle depot
Can I tailor my build by selling the boon from a single god and reducing the likelihood that they will appear again?
turbid needle
For room clears yes, for bosses just put them in a place and put the boss between the crystals and you
fickle depot
or does your run get set with a certain number of gods regardless?
lone lava
I was dropping them all on the same spot and found it hard to position for it while also dodging
turbid needle
@fickle depot it's always 4 gods iirc, you can force a 5th with trinkets
I'd take the knuckle tbh, but probably rending claws if you can offset the damage buff they get from.maim
@lone lava it's surely somewhat hard to use properly, that's why I usually spread them out for room clears
pallid dagger
Hmm. Zeus shield more OP than previously suspected.
thorn jolt
@lone lava Cold Embrace is hard to use
however there is a "exploit" where if you use it with Hera bow
the enemy that you "pierce" with the loaded attack will become the focus of the beams (instead of you)
high tangle
God, hitting dash-upper on controller (switch) is so awkward/painful
narrow rampart
that exploit hasn't been fixed yet? 👀
pallid dagger
oh, you think so too?
thorn jolt
I heard on Haelian's stream that apparently SGG won't actually fix it
marsh dawn
@high tangle you can rebind every button.
thorn jolt
because the boon needs to be thrown a bone ... otherwise it sucks lol
marsh dawn
I have dash on right trigger
thorn jolt
what did it do?
narrow rampart
it was called love triangle I think, and it reduced the range of the cast, but it fired three beams instead of 1
like, in a triangle formation
thorn jolt
oh nice
narrow rampart
very good aoe
thorn jolt
could they all lock on the same target? or only one?
narrow rampart
as far as I remember, it was only one
so like, it rotates to lock on at one, and the other two would fire elsewhere
thorn jolt
I would prefer it if just made Cold Embrace make the beams pierce obstacles and have infinite range lol
thorn jolt
not every boon needs to be a winner
narrow rampart
yeah
thorn jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
narrow rampart
but it sucks that two of Demeter's duo boons are for her cast
and her cast in and of itself is underwhelming
high tangle
Hmm right. right trigger isnt used foir anything right? cant rem
thorn jolt
I think the fact that her legendary is so amazing
thorn jolt
holy smokes that's the best legendary in the game
thorn jolt
first one tho
narrow rampart
the legendary maimed strike,,,,,
what build are you going for?
if you're going for cast, Def take the third
otherwise go with the first one hands down
thorn jolt
is it even a choice? 2x gold with Golden Touch means you can buy the entire shop AND the blood 😉
narrow rampart
ah
worn sand
no boons yet
fickle depot
its a shame chaos+ gold boon doesn't stack with side hustle
narrow rampart
ikr
dark quail
So i read chaos shield requires a lot of investing, what are the shield aspects which are good with 1 point into it?
pallid dagger
Chaos Shield is good right off the bat lol
unless you mean it needs a lot of titan blood
dark quail
Yeah, a lot of titan blood
opal lake
A question if anyone has an answer, how does hera’s bow interact with curse of drowning?
dark quail
So which shield aspect is good with 1 titan blood?
fickle depot
I think the damage increase on zues isn't that amazing. Its a fun enough shield at level 1 and you could use zues which doesn't scale with damage
turbid needle
@opal lake no, it's straight up bad
fickle depot
on zues shield
pallid dagger
it's been too long since i used an un-upgraded aspect to know tbh
fickle depot
and zues flourish boon is just added damage