h1-builds-and-combat

[crimson patrol]

I think the fist is super versaitle and the dashing strike of it should be used more

[elder lava]

Is long knuckle, concentrated knuckle or colossal knuckle better, my build is basically chain lightning + jolted + crit

[limber pine]

long

[crimson patrol]

no I dont think it is as good

[hearty elbow]

Long

[crimson patrol]

If you want long knuckle you should go for the other aspect

but then you will need all of those

[elder lava]

Long it is

I just read that concentrated resets at the end of 5 hits

I suppose for balance reasons that makes sense lol

[crimson patrol]

the gilgamesh fist basically allow you to have super fast attack and dash at the same time

[hearty elbow]

The only attack hammer that competes with Long Knuckle is Breaching Cross, and that's arguable at very high heat.

[crimson patrol]

as fast as the normal fist combo or even more

[elder lava]

Oh

Wow

That's a long attack

[limber pine]

yeah long's great and versatile for anything

[crimson patrol]

huhm

after having the gilgamesh I dont think normal fist can get the same dps even in attack spamming

it has higher range. aoe and attack with higher damage

but the hammer allow you to end combo with dash attack is good at all aspect though

thefinal hit is a swipe so there is AOE in it

[dark quail]

What is the easiest build to beat the game?

[hearty elbow]

There kind of isn't one at the moment

Find your bliss

[empty veldt]

what ur most comfortable with tbh

[dark quail]

What is a good build?

[hearty elbow]

They nerfed a lot of outliers to pieces

[marsh dawn]

Shield + Poseidon is pretty foolproof

[solid cairn]

how much should you be buying the limited room items like cyclops jerky

[hearty elbow]

@solid cairn They're really nice in Elysium to push through, especially if you're time constrained, or in Styx if you have some extra cash on the off chance you can take them into Dad's room

Or if you're holding Charon's keepsake

What is a good build?
@dark quail I would find a weapon that you enjoy using, and just take boons that look interesting. Note positive and negative interactions, and use that knowledge in the next run

[crimson patrol]

I beated the game first time (also hard mode) with the fist I think

so probably it is the easiest way to beat

[hearty elbow]

It's a lot better than trying to find a cookie cutter to slot yourself into when one really just doesn't exist

[verbal silo]

So I've recently started experimenting with the Shield-Posiedon combo with the area dash and really like it. Which other god's boons pair best with Poseidon?

[marsh dawn]

Dio

[crimson patrol]

poseidon can make a dash build happen

it is the easiest and most relaxingI guess

I reached hades in heat 5 with only dash

[hearty elbow]

Shield Poseidon combo?

[marsh dawn]

It’s the bomb

[crimson patrol]

then I died because I have no damage and didnt get any call

[marsh dawn]

Poseidon on shield attack with rupture. Sends enemies across the map into a wall with every hit.

[verbal silo]

Yeah I really like Tidal dash

[empty veldt]

but divine dash lmao

[crimson patrol]

tidal dash is super strong

[marsh dawn]

Asphodel is a cakewalk because everything dies from standing in lava

[crimson patrol]

Trick he falling rock enemies fall into lava and instant die

[cold hamlet]

Are there any fun builds that use demeter’s cast?

[crimson patrol]

Kek

Demeter cast?

[marsh dawn]

@topaz prawn do you have the boon codex from the broker?

[cold hamlet]

The crystal lazer yeah

[crimson patrol]

the only duo I think is good is the one that allow you to charge call faster

[marsh dawn]

Sorry , contractor

[crimson patrol]

some duo are very bad or irrelevant

[magic dagger]

@crimson patrol You have brought swears from the bowels of hell. This is not their place. 🪓

[elder lava]

This build is nutty, loving it

I think I've maxed my crit though

Lvl 5 is the max for boons right?

[marsh dawn]

No

[crimson patrol]

crystal lazer is super bad from what I know

[empty veldt]

No but lvls are diminishing returns

[crimson patrol]

it just attack in 1 direction

[elder lava]

Wait, why did I think it was 5

[hearty elbow]

Level 5 is typically where poms hit their minimum effectiveness

[marsh jolt]

does artemis dash affect malphon's dash special?

[hearty elbow]

Yes

[elder lava]

Hm, so with pressure point, will I start getting .5 % or something

[crimson patrol]

yes Pog

[marsh jolt]

dange

[hearty elbow]

I think it does cap at .5 yeah

[marsh jolt]

no wonder my dash special is spicy

[elder lava]

Damn

Gotta start upgrading something else

[crimson patrol]

dash special is very strong with the fist

it is a feature I think

other dash attack are less damage than just standing attack

[hearty elbow]

What aspect?

[marsh jolt]

k i guess i'll stop worrying about dash attacks lmao

[marsh dawn]

If only dash special triggered the landing damage wave.

[crimson patrol]

fist dash special has more damage and can chain into special quickly

[marsh jolt]

yeah it's busted

i've barely played fists before so i'm kind of out of it

[crimson patrol]

what you dont have

I think the first aspect of the sword is good

[hearty elbow]

Cursed Slash is kind of risky. Double Edge, Breaching Slash are fine

[crimson patrol]

the 3rd one is for cast build

[hearty elbow]

I think the first aspect of the sword is good
@crimson patrol I suppose, statistically speaking, someone has to think that 😛

But I'd personally take level 1 Nemesis over Zag like any day of the week

[solid cairn]

nemesis is kind of just better

[crimson patrol]

more MS and AS are better for me

I see

[solid cairn]

nemesis is phat damage tho

[hearty elbow]

And you really want to be leaning heavily on your dash strike as Stygius, which Zag aspect doesn't affect

It's kind of just better than attacking

In every way possible

Range, damage, speed, safety

3 Blood on Nemesis will take you a LOT farther than 5 on Zag

[marsh dawn]

Crit is just too good to pass on.

Having that huge bonus from the get go is a no brainer.

[magic dagger]

I don't dash strike at all

[hearty elbow]

I don't really fault him for that lol. That playstyle is highly unintuitive

[marsh jolt]

what about excalibur? i find it heavy hitting but too slow for my liking

[hearty elbow]

Same solution. For fast things, Dash-Strike > Strike is very good

[crimson patrol]

or you may dash strike but didnt know it

[hearty elbow]

But you do want to actually be using your primary attack loop with Excalibur. You can keep the combo chain going even after dashing in between each attack

which does a lot for safety

[magic dagger]

the basic attack combo is so bad on the normal swords
like, as soon as you dash-strike once you'll be able to tell it's better dps

[hearty elbow]

It doesn't

[magic dagger]

it doesn't
but if you don't need health you want that dps

[hearty elbow]

It's a balance thing. Nemesis would be hilariously overpowered if you could sustain with dash strikes

[magic dagger]

also
the health debuff from cursed slash generally isn't worth the regen

it's decent if you have flurry slash, which approximately doubles your regen and makes dash-strikes also heal

but...

[crimson patrol]

how much crit it has at 3 blood?

level 2 right?

[hearty elbow]

15

[crimson patrol]

I thought 15 is first level

[hearty elbow]

I mean Cursed Slash isn't the worst without Hard Labor ranks

Once you start with HL it's pretty pointless

[limpid wyvern]

What’s a good aspect for Rail that isn’t ||the hidden one||?

[ashen ginkgo]

Personally I like running every aspect with the right build, though the most generically good one is Eris because it's a straight buff to all damage

[limpid wyvern]

Thanks

[hearty elbow]

Eris is overall the best one at the moment, in terms of raw power, as well as build flexibility

[limpid wyvern]

I feel like I’ve been wasting my blood on chaos aspect tbh

Because I already have a max Zag aspect

[hearty elbow]

Might even be the best aspect in the game period right now for high heat, time will tell

[ashen ginkgo]

I feel like most of the Zagreus aspects are just kinda lackluster

[hearty elbow]

Bow, Shield and Fist are great

[limpid wyvern]

I was told it was the best for the 6 blood I started out with

[hearty elbow]

A lot of people are still reeling from the Chaos castration and giving outdated advice lol

It's definitely not an ez-button aspect anymore

[ashen ginkgo]

i'll agree that the bow and fists are good, and i can see use for the shield and the rail, but the spear and sword i just find to be far too weak or specific

[limpid wyvern]

Is it the best of the three shield aspects?

[hearty elbow]

Yes, the other 3 Zag aspects are all anywhere from "meh" to "lol why"

[limpid wyvern]

Or at least close to it?

[hearty elbow]

I think all the shields are vageuly the same viability

[limpid wyvern]

Chaos aspect I mean

[hearty elbow]

Chaos may still be the best one

Zeus definitely for speed running purposes though

[limpid wyvern]

I have it at level 4

Tbh I think I’m gonna start unlocking the aspects of the other weapons now

[hearty elbow]

Yeah don't sunk cost it if you're not feeling the weapon

Though to be fair the last level of Chaos is a 20% damage increase

[vague ledge]

Is the final spear aspect good? I've been trying to play with it but i keep dying. the spin attack isn't strong/fast enough

[ashen ginkgo]

Personally i have every aspect but Hera and the hidden ones maxed, still need to get malphon's hidden aspect, ||that's just fighting asterius enough yeah?||

[limpid wyvern]

I don’t want to have to use a weak weapon to unlock the rest of the blood

[hearty elbow]

You need hammers to make the spin builds work with GY. The special builds are a lot more reliable, even without Charged Skewer (but especially with)

I'd recommend 0 blood Rail with Lightning Strike, Zag fists, Zag Bow, level 1 Nemesis, and Zag Shield to grind Blood early on

[fervent canyon]

I’m having a lot of trouble with GY, even with builds focusing on special damage

Idk what it is, just can’t seem to clear a run with it

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, being squish is a big cost

[limpid wyvern]

If I do a 6 heat run when I died to ||Hades|| at 5 heat, will I get 2 blood at the end?

[fervent canyon]

The healing almost never works for me, on forced overtime there’s just no chance of healing

I get hit trying to heal usually

[hearty elbow]

@limpid wyvern No

[empty veldt]

@fervent canyon i was only able to clear with it when i got the faster spin hammer upgrade, it was a god send (it was level 1/fresh guan yu as well)

[limpid wyvern]

Thanks

[hearty elbow]

@fervent canyon Healing with FO2 without Quick or Massive Spin is kind of pointless for the reasons you said. Healing in general at higher heats is kind of pointless because of how long it takes to do it, which eats into time.

[fervent canyon]

So really you just focus on special right?

Unless you get a hammer upgrade

[hearty elbow]

Yep

[fervent canyon]

The special just doesn’t feel good to me, even with a bunch of damage buffs on it

[empty veldt]

With beowulf, what cast upgrade would work well with it?

[fervent canyon]

With GY I feel like I’m just playing a worse bow

[hearty elbow]

Charged Skewer makes it worthwhile

I also don't like the base special that much

It's okay

[vague ledge]

gotta say im dissapointed in the final aspects

[hearty elbow]

Sorry to hear that

[empty veldt]

Do u know why sometimes Arthur combo continues with dash strikes but sometimes it just does the quick stabbing move?

[hearty elbow]

If you've used Stygian Soul, dashes kind of work like that

Each dash has a cooldown, so if you use them all up, if you try to dash strike > strike twice, the strike will come out as Strike2

[empty veldt]

Hmmm, ok i’m trying to understand lol

Stygian soul is the one that lets u dash twice right?

[hearty elbow]

Okay, so sequence of actions:

1. You Dash in (1 dash remaining)
2. You Dash Strike, then Attack (0 dashes remaining)
3. You try to Dash Strike. Attack 2 comes out instead

Nah i was using an analogy, Stygian Soul is the regenerating bloodstone talent

[empty veldt]

Oh ok

Attack 2 as in the second combo in arthur right

[hearty elbow]

right

So if you want another dash strike to come out, you have to wait a little bit. That's why extra dashes is so dope on Nemesis aspect

So you can spam to your heart's content without ever starting the attack combo

[empty veldt]

Isnt nemesis the one with crit buff after special?

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

[empty veldt]

Thing is i dont wanna get another dash strike with arthur, i wanna combo after a dash ahaha

Thanks for the info

[hearty elbow]

You can play with the combo and timings in the courtyard, it's pretty intuitive once you try it for a bit

[empty veldt]

I’m just having too much of a good time with Twin shot + flurry combo Heart Rend Duo Bow

And other weapons are falling behind on heat levels aha

[hearty elbow]

You're preaching to the choir

Bow gang

[empty veldt]

Either that or Heart Rend Rama

Cause seeing 3k crit + 1.5k shared anguish is satisfying

[hearty elbow]

Here is fine

None of them are spoilers

[marsh jolt]

what does hermes' +special speed affect on shield? just the initial swing speed or the projectile speed as well?

[hearty elbow]

Dark Foresight got buffed recently, and I think it definitely edges out the Rare one at the moment. The choice between the Epic and the Legendary/Duo one is preference, and build dependent

[outer jasper]

Curious on other players opinons but Ares and Athena are probably the two best gods in most situations to pick right

[pallid dagger]

Okay Athena
I admit it
you came through

[desert nacelle]

Can i get any advice in Mirror Build? or its just personal

[craggy zinc]

I know at least a few people who swear by Dio and only Dio

[pallid dagger]

Also no. Athena....depends. Sometimes.
Ares = the worst.

[outer jasper]

Ares the worst?

[pallid dagger]

I said what I said.

[craggy zinc]

Aphrodite is easily the worst

[pallid dagger]

You take that back.

[outer jasper]

His summon makes you a invincible bayblade that shreds, got a dot, and can easily spam the spins from cast to shred bosses

[hexed leaf]

Aphrodite is great.

[empty veldt]

@craggy zinc umm Aphro has the highest damage multiplier... and has one of the best duos with artemis: Heart Rend

[outer jasper]

What about poseidon? I feel like his summon is bad and hes only good if ya really into wall smashing with sword or something

[desert nacelle]

IMO everyone is good at some point

[pallid dagger]

Athena and Aphro are the ones helping me wreak havoc.
Aphrodite offers absolutely badass damage boosts.

[empty veldt]

@outer jasper i think Ares call is the only bad part about his kit. There’s a lot of nutty doom combos with ares. Hunting blade duos with Ares and Artemis is also broken

[desert nacelle]

Aphrodite boosts Ares and Artemis alot

[outer jasper]

I am never dissapointed with Ares

[pallid dagger]

Poseidon is good. Depends on the weapon you pick, mostly. Going with the special gives lots of damage boost, but the main attack gets a lower boost.

Poseidon's call is amazing. Invincibility and great damage.

[hearty elbow]

Aphro, Athena, and Artemis will kind of always be the best 3

[outer jasper]

ya but so does ares

[desert nacelle]

Poseidon got its best dash imo

[empty veldt]

@outer jasper u cant attack with Ares’ call. Which is why it isnt too good relatively speaking

[hearty elbow]

Aphro provide the best debuff and the strongest bonuses, Athena is just a defensive powerhouse, and Artemis provides the only multiplicative scaling

[outer jasper]

Fair enough but cant attack on wave either right

[pallid dagger]

Ares whirly blades aren't useful unless you can get hunting blades and/or vicious cycle. i don't ever count on that.

[outer jasper]

I think demeter has best summon imo

[pallid dagger]

ooooh yes

[hearty elbow]

I think Demeter's Aid is bottom 3

[pallid dagger]

big icy vortex that auto-stacks chill? thank you grandma

[desert nacelle]

Zeus call is yikes

[outer jasper]

is it bad

dont think i got it yet

if i did i forgot

[hearty elbow]

For me, it's roughly

Poseidon
Dionysus
Athena
Zeus
Aphro
Demeter
Ares
Artemis

[outer jasper]

only done 20 runs so far

[empty veldt]

Artemis’ call is probs the worst but i might be wrong. But i might be wrong

[hexed leaf]

Sorry to interject but what do y'all think the best companions are?

[outer jasper]

oh my bad

whats dionysis summon do

[pallid dagger]

The companions are the only ones i think can be said to play pretty equally

[hearty elbow]

600 damage at level 1 common

[empty veldt]

Strong hangover on people

[outer jasper]

companions are?

[pallid dagger]

I will never use anything but ||Anthos though because my heart lives for Patrochilles.||

[empty veldt]

You’ll get there

[desert nacelle]

@hexed leaf Megaera's one

[outer jasper]

whatsacompanion

[hexed leaf]

I am trying to get that one right now @pallid dagger

[pallid dagger]

you get them for getting a high bond with another character. You can summon them in battle for a really strong attack.

[hexed leaf]

Worth it?

[outer jasper]

oooooh

sounds cool

[desert nacelle]

@outer jasper ||Clickable thing in keepsake||

[empty veldt]

Its a thing u unlock by giving ambrosia to certain characters @outer jasper

Need to give a lot of nectar to them first

[outer jasper]

Trying to get to romance Thanatos

[desert nacelle]

Thanatos companion is a no no

[cunning urchin]

Lady Athena almost always takes priority over other boons at high heat—regardless of aspect. For all the others, it depends.

[hexed leaf]

Does it miss a lot? @desert nacelle

[desert nacelle]

@cunning urchin hi there

[empty veldt]

I dont think i ever not take divine dash anymore, but what is considered “high heat”? Like 20?

[cunning urchin]

I'm talking about 40+, personally.

[desert nacelle]

Posseidon

[empty veldt]

Oof got long way to go then

[cunning urchin]

Deflect and free DDs are just too good. There's nothing really that compares.

[outer jasper]

my playstyle is attack athena because wacking projectiles/traps back to shred bosses and witchrooms is fun and then just go full ares/artemis/hermes

[pallid dagger]

Artemis and Poseidon are both examples of boons where they can turn out unhelpful, but if you know what you're doing, they get slaughter-ey

I don't usually go with Athena cuz deflect just isn't as cool as other abilities but she usually comes through.

[cunning urchin]

Other boons might offer more damage, but if you're forced into an exchange with a Deflect boon from her, it's practically never a real loss. Her damage is still good, and Deflect just offers better utility than anything.

[pallid dagger]

Divine Dash is stress relief in raw undiluted form.

[outer jasper]

ill take 20

[pallid dagger]

Dionysus..............................thighs.
and he synergizes well with casts and poison.

[desert nacelle]

Make everything Athena

[empty veldt]

I’m still close approaching 20 heat so i dont need beyond divine dash right now but the extra DD is always nice. I’m still mainly running Aphro/Arte for main attack/special boons with my playstyle

[hearty elbow]

Sometimes I wonder if they should just make the base dash deflect so the other dashes can be useful too

I know that's not tenable but it's kind of a bummer that every other dash feels like a sacrifice

[pallid dagger]

The only one I consistently have problems with is Ares. 😖 Doom doesn't synergize well with anything and the whirly blades require a legendary or a duo to be useful. It's sad cuz I can think of so much that could've been done with him.

[empty veldt]

@hearty elbow do u know if chiron work with the athena ares combo?

[hearty elbow]

Merciful End works with everything?

[pallid dagger]

idk, Tidal Dash has a really wide range that's helpful keeping the critters off. And Artemis' dash boost can be super useful if you're spamming dash attacks.

[hearty elbow]

Just by what degree you're referring to

I don't think it's good lol

[desert nacelle]

What should i use with fists?

[empty veldt]

Like the special will continuously deal doom damage

[hearty elbow]

Merciful End consumes the doom on something

[chrome geyser]

Ares is nice actually. Doom on special on chiron (with the stacks) is pretty ok.

[elder lava]

Well that run was disgusting, I always find myself getting really lazy especially in boss fights though

[hearty elbow]

So the first arrow will proc ME and then the rest will be normal deflecty arrows

[elder lava]

And especially if my build is nuts

[chrome geyser]

+10 per hit is kinda like +70% boost

[elder lava]

I just wanna spam attack and not bother dodging

[cunning urchin]

I'm honestly a bit unhappy with the fact that Deflect on everything is seriously the best melee build.

[pallid dagger]

even in situations where i could see wrestling some use out of Ares I'd never take him over the other gods who are more consistently useful

[empty veldt]

Which is why i mostly play the bow

[hearty elbow]

I'm honestly a bit unhappy with the fact that Deflect on everything is seriously the best melee build.
@cunning urchin Same. There aren't choices to be made. just sacrifices when you don't get Athena in that slot

[chrome geyser]

Ares doom is good on rail bombard, bow attack for chiron, bow volley for others, shield throw on all but zeus.

[pallid dagger]

Thunder Dash ("I need Sea Storm and have to have a Zeus boon for it")

[chrome geyser]

Sea storm is good because you can inflict two statuses using just one thing

[pallid dagger]

where my sea storm squad at

Exagryph and Malphon want to say hello

[hearty elbow]

Sea Storm is awkard because you have to have a Poseidon core boon lol

[chrome geyser]

Poseidon core boon is really good

[hearty elbow]

And once I have Poseidon's Aid I no longer care about getting Sea Storm

[chrome geyser]

I encourage people to do poseidon attack lucifer

[pallid dagger]

sea storm is so hard to get, SO hard
but it's so broken

[main osprey]

yeah!

[pallid dagger]

everything explodes the minute you enter the room

[chrome geyser]

So hard?

[main osprey]

Super Soaker Sea Storm!

[hearty elbow]

Or anything, really. Run is solved

Build complete

[chrome geyser]

I get it almost every game with poseidon

[main osprey]

also hi Nyaanyaa~

[cunning urchin]

95% of the time with AP2 when I get forced into a dash boon that isn't Divine Dash, I'm thinking "Great, now I have to get past the boss with this before I can sell it to make room for Divine Dash."

[pallid dagger]

provided it comes up in the sell bin!

[chrome geyser]

Poseidon is honestly really good. You can get better zeus attack on top using sea storm; get a good % increase on attack; and even more vs bosses.

[cunning urchin]

It's not, "Oh wow, I'll just use this instead of Divine Dash."

[chrome geyser]

I go zeus on sthg, pressure points, poseidon on main damage dealer exactly for this reason

[cunning urchin]

It's, "I'll sell this asap to make room. I wish I hadn't gotten this because it occupies the slot now."

[pallid dagger]

i mean, the other dashes aren't bad
they just aren't Athena

[chrome geyser]

not as good on fists; cause keeping people in melee range gets difficult.

I think athena is the strongest dash but honestly not that amazing as people make it out to be

[pallid dagger]

I will swear by it and I don't even prioritize it.

[hearty elbow]

Flood Shot is great utility, Poseidon's Aid is one of the best boons in the game, and that's about it. Not making an objective statement, if it works for you that's fine, but I find knocking stuff away from my own follow up attacks so obnoxious and counterproductive

[chrome geyser]

ares dash is pretty good now now that they made blade rifts work better

[pallid dagger]

you know who doesn't get enough scrutiny? Hermes.

[robust anchor]

if you pick a dash boon does it decrease the chance for another boon to offer dash slot now

[pallid dagger]

everyone seems to love him. I can fit him into a build occasionally if i'm desperate but I have never seen him improve a run by a whole lot.

[chrome geyser]

you can only have one dash boon at a time

except lightning reflexes

which is not really a dash boon

[robust anchor]

yes i know but sometimes it will offer to replace

[chrome geyser]

replacement offers are rarer; and are not guaranteed

[cunning urchin]

EM3 + FO2 with and without Divine Dash is night and day. So is all of Asphodel at high heat.

[hearty elbow]

everyone seems to love him. I can fit him into a build occasionally if i'm desperate but I have never seen him improve a run by a whole lot.
@pallid dagger Greatest Reflex is top 5 boons in the game as well

I want to say top 2 with Divine Dash

[chrome geyser]

id say equal probability between attack, special, dash, cast and call slots

[empty veldt]

@hearty elbow i recently found out hermes attack speed works with twin shot+flurry combo

[hearty elbow]

Oh hell yes

Talk dirty to me more

😛

[chrome geyser]

oh thats some damage

[pallid dagger]

I mean, I never need more than 2 dashes.
It's fun but it isn't useful. Lands me in lava or vermin poison half the time.

@empty veldt that's me, that's what i'm talkin about.

[hearty elbow]

My last Twin + Flurry run had Heart Rend with Epic Swift Strike and had me machine gunning 1600 crits on Zag bow

[pallid dagger]

if he improved attack speed across the board instead of focusing generally on movement speed, he'd be way cooler.

[magic dagger]

it's useful if you maintain control over yourself and thereby your ingame avatar

if you just spam, then sure, greatest reflex isn't worth much

[pallid dagger]

isn't greatest reflex by default a spam option?

[cunning urchin]

Top 4 boons that aren't Duo or Legendary are:

Divine Dash
Greatest Reflex
Last Stand
Deathless Stand

[empty veldt]

@hearty elbow literally just had that

@hearty elbow that combo makes me so torn with Rama

[pallid dagger]

I've never seen Athena's DD improvements as worth it, since they're not locked to when you actually need one. It's like experiencing the Well in Styx. Always offers it when you don't need it, and if you're full, no extra for you.

[hearty elbow]

Rama has probably the best status inflicting ability in the game, and has extremely reliable damage output. It has a different niche

[empty veldt]

@cunning urchin would u still get the stand boons even if ur still max DD?

[hearty elbow]

No, you just waste them for the future if you do that.

[cunning urchin]

With Stubborn Defiance, you can just die before picking up the boon, get a free DD from her, then in the next room your Stubborn Defiance will replenish, too.

[empty veldt]

@hearty elbow oh i know its good. I mean 3-4k crit plus anguish damage on top. Just torn in which i enjoy more

[hearty elbow]

I'm in a polyamorous relationship

[pallid dagger]

Aaaand that's Redacted down. Don't ever let anyone tell you Aphro and Athena don't slay.

[hearty elbow]

With all the bows

Bowlygamy

[empty veldt]

Hera’s the one i’ve never really used, cause casts arent my thing

[cunning urchin]

Practically every 40+ run that runs into her suicides before picking it up for a chance at that free DD (once you have any t1 boon from her).

If you see her again, you can do it a second time for 2 DDs.

[empty veldt]

Its not risky to do that?

[cunning urchin]

Nope.

[pallid dagger]

Hera's op af.

[cunning urchin]

One of them also gives your SD +10% healing and the other gives extra invulnerability.

[pallid dagger]

I never go for casts much either, but loading them all onto the attack at once means you can 1-hit kill near anything in the game.

[cunning urchin]

And her DDs are also affected by Touches of Styx.

[magic dagger]

the assumption is that you're running SD, which regenerates after the room

[median oar]

is there a heat option breakdown somewhere

[granite lava]

Hello, I am making a mod called Dualwielding. This mod lets you use two weapons alternatively, or the same weapon with a different aspect.
Currently you can swap between weapons after hitting enemies 5 times, then dashing.
Although it works fine, I feel it is not very practical. What would be a good mechanic to switch between weapons? It must be known that I cannot add new controls or key combos.

[magic dagger]

it's not like you're spending a DD which won't come back if you don't get the boon you want

[cunning urchin]

So you can easily get 1–2 DDs + your SD that all heal for 90% or even 100% of your max HP if you run into Patroclus.

[hearty elbow]

@median oar Definitely not. That's hugely subjective. There is a tier list @dry ember posted somewhere yesterday I think

[pallid dagger]

@granite lava if you're using a controller, the D-Pad is a good option for toggling.

L1/2/3 and R1/2/3 are all taken up for in-combat use or I'd suggest those.

[granite lava]

isnt the dpad just move, like the joystick?

[empty veldt]

@pallid dagger i mean, so can other bows. Rama one shots easily, zag crits also one shot easily

Also i saw a youtuber do twin shot flurry and play the game blind after that in heat 15 or something lol

[pallid dagger]

@empty veldt What are you talking about? Rama will need a boon or three to one-shot anything past Asphodel. Hera will have you final boss ready before leaving Tartarus.

[chrome geyser]

@cunning urchin would u still get the stand boons even if ur still max DD?
@empty veldt stand boons? ゴゴゴゴ This chamber must be the work of an enemy 「O L Y M P I A N」

[hearty elbow]

Lol, this game has so many players now. I feel like we need a second builds and combat channel to help mitigate split conversations

This is so hard to follow at the moment

And I'm literally just sitting here reading it

[pallid dagger]

@granite lava yes, but that's why it's a good idea. Unless your analog stick is broken, you won't use the d-pad for movement, so you may as well take it and mod it.

[empty veldt]

@pallid dagger what cast boon works well with hera?

[chrome geyser]

@empty veldt festive fog is good

[pallid dagger]

@empty veldt start with Dionysus or Aphrodite. Dio has a really overcranked cast, plus it can be combined with two different duos for insane damage.

[empty veldt]

@pallid dagger which duos with dio?

[chrome geyser]

Ice wine on festive fog with hera and beowulf is broken

[cunning urchin]

@hearty elbow do you think the guide I wrote helps at least to cover the more basic questions about builds? lol

[granite lava]

@pallid dagger The problem is I can't add new controls. By control I mean the list in the settings of the main menu. I can only use existing controls.

[pallid dagger]

Ice Wine (Demeter) and Scintillating Feast (Zeus)

[hearty elbow]

I didn't click on it, link?

[empty veldt]

@pallid dagger thanks

[cunning urchin]

I think I've been starting to see slightly fewer questions about that. But maybe I'm imagining it.

It's pinned now, actually.

[chrome geyser]

there is an activation delay after hit with ice wine and hera/beowulf; which makes you miss enemies all the time

[hearty elbow]

Lol, I've been pretty active this morning, you're imagining it

[cunning urchin]

In this channel.

[hearty elbow]

It's like literally 5 this hour

[pallid dagger]

I tried doing with Beowulf what I did with Hera. It worked alright, but it didn't feel as gloriously op.

[cunning urchin]

Trippy Shot kinda sucks with Beowulf.

[chrome geyser]

hera is way more accurate than beowulf; that's why

[cunning urchin]

Get Passion Flare.

And use Infernal Soul.

Stygian Soul is actively detrimental for Beowulf.

[chrome geyser]

I generally go infernal soul; I hate picking up casts and hate the lightning rod duo taking up zeus and artemis boon slots

[cunning urchin]

. . . I should make a Beowulf guide if I ever find the time for that. I've repeated that line about Infernal Soul so many times now.

[chrome geyser]

The only time i don't use infernal soul is on hera.

[granite lava]

Any opinion for a better weapon switching mechanic?

[chrome geyser]

Better?

[cunning urchin]

Wait no. Beowulf guide is my 52 clear. There. Guide is done.

[pallid dagger]

Anyone got any suggestions for modder @granite lava

[brisk cairn]

He's asking for feedback on a mod he's making @chrome geyser

[granite lava]

Well better than the existing one

[cunning urchin]

tl;dr Beowulf guide: git gud.

[hearty elbow]

@cunning urchin It looks solid, though I'd add a note about spending 3 blood on Nemesis if you want to continue using the sword. It's one of the better ways to spend 3 blood.

[chrome geyser]

is there an explanation/link?

[granite lava]

Hello, I am making a mod called Dualwielding. This mod lets you use two weapons alternatively, or the same weapon with a different aspect.
Currently you can swap between weapons after hitting enemies 5 times, then dashing.
Although it works fine, I feel it is not very practical. What would be a good mechanic to switch between weapons? It must be known that I cannot add new controls or key combos.
@granite lava

[brisk cairn]

Tbh I think that is going to be extremely challenging, especially if the switch criteria has to be one/a combination of existing inputs

[hearty elbow]

though it would dilute the guide. I would hate to think someone liking Stygius and deciding to upgrade it

[brisk cairn]

Since you can't map it to its own input, I don't know if it would ever be not-clunky

[hearty elbow]

What a disaster that would be

[chrome geyser]

hmm i don't really like the idea in this game. Bastion; you had weapons instead of special/attack and that made dual yielding fun. This game; your builds become dependent on your weapon really.

[cunning urchin]

There are people who like Zag Aspect. I want people to explore their preferences on their own.

[brisk cairn]

@hearty elbow dont you have to fully upgrade zag sword for the story anyway?

[cunning urchin]

I want to encourage variety as much as possible.

[hearty elbow]

Fair 😛

[cunning urchin]

But I've been thinking of doing an "advanced build guide" that goes into aspects. But I've no idea if I ever find the time for that lol.

[hearty elbow]

6 diamonds. But at what cost

[granite lava]

@brisk cairn Yeah I don't really know what would be a good way to switch... You dash all the time so currently you would mostly switch weapon without having chosen to do so

[brisk cairn]

A more controlled option would be switching with your call, or with your keepsake companion but still it's own problem

[granite lava]

I did put a visible indicator when you can switch weapon though (after hitting enemies 5 times)

[hearty elbow]

If I could somehow guarantee people would read it I'd be willing to start that . The amount of time and text I detail builds and stuff on this channel alone could be condensed into a guide. But it's not like a hardship or anything. I love the game and it feels good to help new players.

[pallid dagger]

Alright Athena. I'm doing the speedrun tactic. Help me out.

[granite lava]

https://imgur.com/H6ckzLd

here is a short clip to showcase how it works currently

[pallid dagger]

yeah, that's definitely clunky. would there be any way to make it so you can switch weapons by holding a button?

[granite lava]

that is doable

[crimson patrol]

||any build or keepsake going with excalibur? It look real slow and bad dps for me and I am quite confident with my HP in general||

[chrome geyser]

artemis or aphrodite

[granite lava]

not sure which button still

[brisk cairn]

@granite lava theres a whole Hades modding discord somewhere

[pallid dagger]

@crimson patrol I hated excalibur but it does reduce damage a lot. I did make it to the surface pretty easily, so i was wrong on that one.

[brisk cairn]

unfortunately I don't have a link to it

[granite lava]

@brisk cairn I am the admin of the hades modding discord

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, Divine Strike with Divine Dash Dash or Hunter Dash.

[brisk cairn]

ah, well nevermind then haha my bad

[cunning urchin]

For sword 4.

[granite lava]

lol np

[crimson patrol]

I got my record

[cunning urchin]

Well.

[crimson patrol]

dps look super bad with the hidden sword

[granite lava]

@pallid dagger well thx for the idea I'm gonna try with the button holding

[cunning urchin]

@crimson patrol go for Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air if you want DPS.

[crimson patrol]

you seems to never get the final hit out

[cunning urchin]

It's far from bad DPS.

[crimson patrol]

and taking damage is not very recommended unless you go full revenge mode

[cunning urchin]

You can dash inbetween the 3-hit combo of Stygius.

So you can reposition before the second and before the third swing, respectively.

[pallid dagger]

@crimson patrol the biggest thing is just training yourself to stay within the aura field. for someone like me who dashes around nonstop, it was hard.

[crimson patrol]

but enemies are like everywhere and you cannot stay in 1 place waiting for them...

[robust anchor]

it was life changing to learn you can special and dash dash and itll still go off

[cunning urchin]

Like I said, you can dash inbetween the 3-hit Attack combo of Stygius without breaking the combo.

[crimson patrol]

that defensive ground just stick there like a long time

[cunning urchin]

That applies to the hidden aspect, too.

[pallid dagger]

I'm really not fond of supergiant's affinity for "slow but hits hard".
doesn't groove very easily with the fast pace.

[crimson patrol]

it doesnt really change the problem

all the damage are like in the final hit

any keepsake going with it?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but I've no problem getting off the third hit, so it's just honestly a matter of getting better at positioning and timing.

[crimson patrol]

if the first and 2nd hit has like 1.5 or double damge it would have been ok

[proper lagoon]

how many builds are there that can literally just facetank hades

[crimson patrol]

but right now the hidden fist is much stronger and even faster

[proper lagoon]

and melt him at the same time

[crimson patrol]

fist can face tank hades

[chrome geyser]

there is only one; vengeful mood with all the revenge ones

[proper lagoon]

i had a build i facetanked him to like 25% of second phase with crit sword

[hearty elbow]

@proper lagoon Depends on heat. Excalibur is the build built to tank the most

[proper lagoon]

on heat1 anyways

[cunning urchin]

Any aspect can face-tank Hades at 0 Heat.

Or 1 Heat or whatever.

Just kill him before he kills you.

[proper lagoon]

yeah i guess

[cunning urchin]

That's what speedrunners do, after all.

[proper lagoon]

i have a question - whats the deal with getting like 3 or 4 runs in a row where virtually all the boons are Aphrodite

is the game trying to tell me something

[crimson patrol]

she is good I think

her call can stun boss and interrupt their skill

[proper lagoon]

yeah i had a lot of fun Weak-based builds but i mean i thought it was random

[crimson patrol]

and her damge bonus has high number too

[proper lagoon]

i was going nuts trying to find an Artemis for something i was trying

[pallid dagger]

Aphrodite does seem to do that a lot

take a hint, lady

[crimson patrol]

I will try to go 1 run with hidden sword

full damage I guess

[pallid dagger]

I have to say

the speedrunning build..............actually works fantastic.

[crimson patrol]

high HP means RTSR may be good right?

[pallid dagger]

I beat the Hydra with 11 minutes to spare, and still have most of my health

[proper lagoon]

there is only 1 speedrunning build?

what is it?

[crimson patrol]

I think hydra is the easiest boss of the bunch

then the improved duo boss

somehow it is much easier than just normal version

[turbid halo]

Will Rama special let me proc zeus lightning multiple times, or is it fast enough to have the internal cooldown get in the way?

[pallid dagger]

The Zagreus aspect of Malphon comes with in-built dodge chance.
You take the Dash upgrade from the mirror that gives you +30% dodge chance for near-misses, then apply the Hermes Plume that gets you a permanent dodge upgrade for clearing an encounter quickly.

[proper lagoon]

i did a zeus special chain lightning build with the shield that you shoot and it spins slowly

[pallid dagger]

I should mention that I actually forgot to switch to Zagreus' fists so i'm doing all of this without the flat 15% dodge.

[proper lagoon]

oops

just melted stuff*

it hits so fast

[cunning urchin]

@crimson patrol this may not be the advice you're hoping to hear, but beyond picking up Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike on the hidden sword aspect (if you aren't already doing that), you really just need to practice more with the weapon. Improve your positioning and timing so that you can land those 3-hit combos and Dash-Strikes reliably. Perhaps watch some high-heat clears or speedrun clears with it to see what other players are doing different.

[proper lagoon]

with the boon that can double proc lightning

[crimson patrol]

15% dodge then 20% from hermes keepsake then 20% from hermes buff then weaken then you immortal

[pallid dagger]

oh, yeah, the hermes buff, too.

i need to try picking that up.

[crimson patrol]

also mention sturdy and mirror damage reduction

with all those hades hit will be like nothing xD

[split wharf]

Kinda torn on the moneysword hammer

Does it stack really well or something? +50% damage is theoretically good if you have 1000 money at the end but you're also sacrificing power by not funneling that money into items

[hard holly]

Its not +%

Its flat damage

With 1000 gold its 50 damage on every hit

[split wharf]

Oh! That's a lot better than I was understanding it

I'll be building with that when I get the chance, then

I'm assuming the damage is added last?

As in, it doesn't add to the base damage

Last time I used it I also used BigSword which would explain why it didn't feel all that great

I imagine it would go super well with SpeedySword

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's correct. Hoarding Slash damage is added after everything else. So it doesn't get any +% bonuses.

[hard kelp]

2nd win, hera bow and dionysus cast. still no heat

also, i realized that im only good at ranged builds

[proven sierra]

pom blossom is awesome. two pics: https://imgur.com/a/zw3MYFe

[dark quail]

What is better for stygian nemesis, deadly strike or deadly flurish?

[small stirrup]

Strike

would be better

[hard kelp]

i need some rail builds, other that the obvious thunder rapid fire

[proven sierra]

The Super Soaker. ||poseidon attack boon + zagreus extra ammo. you can smash folks into walls endlessly and they take extra damage||

||pair this with the poseidon boons that do extra damage against walls, that makes an area-effect when someone is pushed against walls, and/or the poseidon boon that also applies "rupture" to folks who are hit with knockback||

||if you're really lucky, pair this with poseidon's legendary boon (knockback effects trigger twice) and the zeus/poseidon duo boon (knockback effects trigger a lightning bolt) and, if you're insanely lucky, Zeus' "lightning effects sometimes trigger twice" and his legendary (all lightning effects create an additional bolt||

[marsh dawn]

Olympian favor or dark foresight?

[slender sand]

anyone know any good boons for the bow other than artemis's

[limber pine]

what bow tho

[lyric bloom]

is there a specific aspect you're refering to or do you mean the bow in general

[slender sand]

the bow in general

[limber pine]

Aphro has really high % if you're using Chiron

[slender sand]

i get to hades and get stomped there so i need to see what else goes well

[lyric bloom]

ah so you're probably refering to Zag bow

[hard kelp]

does poseidon knock back work on bosses?

[limber pine]

the default bow is kinda bad for me

[proven sierra]

@hard kelp no, but there's a Poseidon boon that makes knockback do bonus damage to bosses

[slender sand]

its the only one i got lmao, but its got me the furthest out of all the weapons

[limber pine]

try shield? it's probably the most newbie friendly to beat the last boss

[desert nacelle]

||Guan Yu|| is best spear aspect?

[slender sand]

mmm the problem with the shield is that my ads clear is way slower, plus the bow just recks the boses

[proven sierra]

nothing is best, it all depends on your build man

it's best for some things, sure

but so is hades. so is achilles

[lyric bloom]

guan yu has the advantage of sustainability, but until max tier that health it a massive hit

[limber pine]

it's too hard to use if you don't max it out

[hard kelp]

get ares boon that applies doom on special, and use normal shield

[teal wren]

even at max tier -50% max life is nothing to scoff at

[desert nacelle]

What should i use with fists?

[cunning urchin]

@slender sand does that help, maybe? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883

[slender sand]

is there only a certain amount of gods you can see in a run

[cunning urchin]

As you pick up boons from gods, they're "locked" into the pool up to a maximum of 4 different gods.

[slender sand]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[proven sierra]

but also: that pool is UNAFFECTED by keepsakes

[slender sand]

thats probably why i never see artemis

[cunning urchin]

• Lord Hermes + Master Chaos, those are extra.

[proven sierra]

so you could have a pool of 4 and use a keepsake to force a fifth......... but that fifth will only show up ONCE

[desert nacelle]

@cunning urchin are they counted to fam favorite?

[cunning urchin]

If you see a god but don't pick up any boon from them, they're not locked into the pool yet.

[desert nacelle]

those extra one

[cunning urchin]

Lord Hermes is counted, yes.

Master Chaos isn't.

[teal wren]

huh, that makes family favorite a bit iffier than I thought all things considered

[slender sand]

i rely on having artemis in a run otherwise i may as well reset, i reckon when i can have 3 deaths in a escape run i should be able to get a successful one

[teal wren]

Athena is my favorite for easy runs

[cunning urchin]

@slender sand Coronacht is honestly not a very complicated weapon, so the meta for Attack, at least, is pretty settled on Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.

[teal wren]

deflect dash and deflect revenge are sooo good

[proven sierra]

zogo if you find yourself dependent on her that much it sounds like you need to adjust your playstyle significantly

she should definitely not be required to win

[spark marsh]

is it possible to hit a monster with doom and have the doom kill them and not have to do anything

[cunning urchin]

That said, Coronacht's Special has been buffed quite a bit, so Special builds are apparently actually viable now.

[slender sand]

hmmm problem is the crit on artemis build with the bow is just what clears things for me

hungover on the q is also good but nowhere near the same

[cunning urchin]

But there's no meta for it yet. It's too early for that.

[desert nacelle]

I like arthur with artemis

[slender sand]

poseidon is the only other alternative i have if icant get artemis really

[limber pine]

you could just go for a cast build with either Ares or Dio cast

[slender sand]

ehh dio cast is what i use to do but it woudnt work for me when i got past hydra

[spark marsh]

guys i need help

[unkempt zephyr]

this build about taking crits from Athena+ atremis with special(its non stop deflecting. with cast of ares its insane.at this time with Athena backstub debuff you do insane damage. at same time Athena special and dash blow up all doom effects.And Artemis Aid in back insane.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/758486369537490944/unknown.png

[proper lagoon]

does there exist a web app for making and sharing builds

if not i can make one

[slender sand]

never really used athena, artemis deadly flourish with hunters mark is what i try to go for atm

[limber pine]

there is a tier list maker for hades

https://tierlists.com/create/hades-aspects

[proper lagoon]

ah interesting tierlists is a sort of generic one

i didnt know about it

[marsh dawn]

If I start a run with the Owl Pendant and keep it after the fury fight, will the first boon in Asphodel be Athena as well?

[unkempt zephyr]

If I start a run with the Owl Pendant and keep it after the fury fight, will the first boon in Asphodel be Athena as well?
@marsh dawn No

[marsh dawn]

Bummer

Thanks

[proper lagoon]

oh tierlists is literally a tier list

i was thinking like the talent customizer from WoW or Diablo

but for boons

[molten violet]

when youre fighting with thesus do you focus him first or the minatour?

[proper lagoon]

and weapon aspects

[proven sierra]

always asterisu

[proper lagoon]

like d3planner.com

[unkempt zephyr]

from 0.2.6 to now artur aspect broken and strongest. its can have 6.5k from one hit. its kill hades immidietly. at same tame +50hp,resistance,slow poject.if build correct.for me its most broken OP. not full build do this (as you can see its 0.26 not complete builde with out many boons and duo)
http://ipic.su/img/img7/fs/Hades_00007.1585579629.png

[desert nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712528599260856355/713258094326448168/unknown.png

[unkempt zephyr]

yup as i say its can be more than 6.5k

[reef galleon]

Holy jesus

[unkempt zephyr]

and this no main problem.animation canceling do artur aspect broken

[desert nacelle]

that was without cast

but with 200% backstab dmg

[reef galleon]

do these two even stack?
https://i.imgur.com/S51kLop.png

[proven sierra]

i dont think it's broken, i think it's supposed to be possible with the right conditions

aspects, boons, crits, backstabs

[void fjord]

Bruh imagine heroic aphro atk with 5% crit chance

[keen magnet]

yes they do

[proven sierra]

why wouldn't they Eule?

[reef galleon]

Good.

[keen magnet]

and its hilarious

[reef galleon]

Who knows

why wouldn't they Eule?
@proven sierra

[unkempt zephyr]

yup. and image this with another backstab bonus from athena(and backstub damage huge)

[keen magnet]

i had a run like that, perma zeus call melts stuff

[desert nacelle]

Crit fists with Athena's call and critical call charge up

[unkempt zephyr]

do these to even stack?
https://i.imgur.com/S51kLop.png
@reef galleon try take hermy dodje with this duo. and call of zeus

[static jacinth]

Why Zeus though?

[keen magnet]

zap zap

[desert nacelle]

zip zap shick attack

[static jacinth]

Dionysus call does the big deeps.

[unkempt zephyr]

becaus zeus have legendary and + damage after call

[keen magnet]

both do a ton of dps

and this duo is from zeus athena soo

[static jacinth]

I mean it depends what you have.

[crimson patrol]

that duo is the best one LUL

[keen magnet]

zeus aphrodite*

[static jacinth]

But the Zeus boon for damage after call does work on every call too.

[crimson patrol]

you can perma charm the boss with it

[unkempt zephyr]

duo dont best. best its build+ weapon and synergy. like in my picture. when insane blade rifts have permament crit chance 20% with seeking.

[reef galleon]

I had Zeus call, yes

It didn't quite reach the crazy potential, but it was fun
https://i.imgur.com/a8sLJwI.png

[unkempt zephyr]

It didn't quite reach the crazy potential, but it was fun
https://i.imgur.com/a8sLJwI.png
@reef galleon and add to this hermes dodje in average 30% after Aid

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756949101442105443/759143515765997628/unknown.png

I used all fountains and I'm almost at the boss, if I sell this, do I lose the 15% damage or is it already applied to my build?

[static jacinth]

You lose the damage.

[cunning urchin]

@reef galleon Quick Favor is a waste of a Lord Hermes boon if you have Smoldering Air. It adds practically nothing of real value.

[odd marten]

So what's the strategy for the teleporty miniboss in the first area? It is, somehow, the hardest enemy in the game in terms of me taking a bunch of chump damage

[reef galleon]

but doesn't it go even faster..........

[odd marten]

Does it like, not teleport away as fast every so often

[static jacinth]

Mildly faster.

[cunning urchin]

"Mildly" is an exaggeration.

[static jacinth]

You'll get 11% every 2 seconds instead of 10%.

Woo.

[cunning urchin]

"It goes faster" is already too much. It makes no meaningful difference.

Well.

In fact, it makes literally no difference.

You're charging 25% in 5 seconds either way.

You can't charge more than 25%.

[static jacinth]

Might get it a fraction of a second earlier.

Well, you will.

I don't think it'll matter, but it'll be a few fractions faster.

And @odd marten Try to learn their teleport timings. Dash whenever they're about to appear again.

Make sure to lodge your cast in them and get some backstabs in, if you can.

[cunning urchin]

I just empty dash on reaction when they reappear, then smack them after that.

You could also just mindlessly Dash-Strike spam or something.

[chrome geyser]

what i hate is that it purges the statuses onteleport

chiron doesnt home for example

[cunning urchin]

Wretched Sneak has basically no HP.

[proper lagoon]

what does it mean if your name is yellow

are you dehydrated

[cunning urchin]

It means I have all the games.

[static jacinth]

It's the color for the All The Games role.

[cunning urchin]

Check #bot-commands.

[static jacinth]

Cosmetic, basically.

Once wretched sneak loses their armor, they're pretty easy to finish off too.

[chrome geyser]

I died of dehydration; and I think Aphrodite is pretty! @proper lagoon

[static jacinth]

But yeah, they can be annoying to land hits on, till you learn their timing.

[proper lagoon]

oh wow cool

[small stirrup]

just give em the one two smack and WA BAM. They're dead

[cunning urchin]

I kind of never had a problem with it? I dunno.

[chrome geyser]

At first it would be too much for me too; but got the rythm down

now i try to react every time it teleports

if you dash; then it prob won't hit you

by chance you are close to the sneak (like 40% of the time) it will take damage

[static jacinth]

Yeah Nyaanyaa, but that's not helpful advice to someone struggling with it 😛

[chrome geyser]

@cunning urchin just likes boasting how good they are 😆

[median oar]

so I finally just unlocked the rail's 4th aspect, how does the primary fire behave with boons that apply things on hit?

[reef galleon]

It doesn't make a difference, but it was more fun knowing I had two boons that increase my gauge by 1% every second

[cunning urchin]

I'm just expressing it's hard for me to relate lol. I'm trying to see it from their perspective to help, but it's not easy.

[static jacinth]

It applies them every tick of damage.

[chrome geyser]

It works; the laser is continuous; but it hits many times over the hold duration

[unkempt zephyr]

5% pet second base and 1% pet second epic.

🤣

[static jacinth]

So stuff like Zeus attack works pretty well.

[chrome geyser]

also; you can dash during the attack and it won't interrupt your attacking

[median oar]

what about special for it? does that apply on pulse as well?

[static jacinth]

Yup.

[median oar]

huh.I see why people rave about it then

[cunning urchin]

If you have difficulty applying DOT like Doom to the Wretched Sneak, if you apply it immediately when it comes out of invisibility, it'll take Doom damage before it disappears again.

[static jacinth]

An interaction that's not clear is that the beam doesn't count as your 'attack' for the purpose of Divine Strike.

Only the muzzle of the gun will deflect.

[cunning urchin]

Hmm but maybe it can be difficult to react that fast. I guess you'd just have to try and see if that works for you.

[chrome geyser]

btw; zeus attack does not outdamage others anymore; because the damage ramps

large percentages are pretty good on attack; not just flat damage boosts

[median oar]

does the damage ramp in relation to the time on target or the time with the trigger down

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's just 300 HP + 700 armor. So even if you can't apply your DOT, just keep attacking, and it'll die quickly.

[static jacinth]

Time on target.

[chrome geyser]

zeus is still good; but you might want artemis (esp on chaos) or aphrodite

you want to keep on one target; it ramps per consecutive hit on target

[static jacinth]

The best attack can vary with hammers and playstyle.

[chrome geyser]

like the hammer consecutive fire on the other aspects

[cunning urchin]

Actually, Lightning Strike will still realistically outdamage everything else on rail 4.

[chrome geyser]

depends on hammer and the percentage

[static jacinth]

Zeus attack also applies the damage to multiple enemies, which can be a good benefit.

[chrome geyser]

strike adds flat +12

[unkempt zephyr]

most simlpe Damage build its have some think what attack fast. take zeus + legendary+double strike of ligthning+ AoE on ligthning (mb + bouce ) that all what player need.

[static jacinth]

And jolted, and all that.

[cunning urchin]

Just the fact alone that you can kill enemies in fewer hits because your first hits do high damage already is already pretty big.

[chrome geyser]

zeus is good aeo

[charred ruin]

2 things i learned from the last run- after doing EM4 so many times, normal hades feels like a breeze. and also athena fist attack is amazing.

[chrome geyser]

aoe

[static jacinth]

With the ramping hammers, maybe Deadly or Heartbreak Strike will do more to bosses.

[crimson patrol]

OMG excalibbur

[static jacinth]

But that's not the only part of the run.

[chrome geyser]

I like going deadly

or tempest

[crimson patrol]

the extra 200% backstab damage makes it bonker

[static jacinth]

Tempest Strike on Rail 4? The legendary super soaker?

[chrome geyser]

its pretty good

[proper lagoon]

i dont like backstab builds

[crimson patrol]

I got like 1000 damage on hit without even trying to get more bonus damage

[chrome geyser]

the knocback is not that strong per hit; and keeps enemies far away from staggering you

you can add zeus to have bolts with it too

[static jacinth]

I didn't say it was bad, I just think it's amusing.

We all 'click' with different boons sometimes.

[chrome geyser]

lol yeah; i didnt think you did think that

but generally people don't think of getting poseidon on rail

splittin bolt, sea storm, tempest strike, jolted, rupture, support fire

thats personal

[crimson patrol]

foresight give you more hammer chance

[chrome geyser]

i get Olympian favor

[crimson patrol]

Just got 20mins clear with excalibur in 2nd times using it xD

it was heat 5 though

[chrome geyser]

thats still nice;

[crimson patrol]

my best was heat 11 with bear claw in 18 mins

I killed thesus in like 10 seconds

that extra 200% backstab too good

[summer lotus]

broken resolve is additive right

[unkempt zephyr]

most bonkers boon its Breaking Wave of poseidon. 1 ability with this and you can kill all(Bosses exception)

[proper lagoon]

i always start with chaos then switch to whatever i need after that

[chrome geyser]

||Pom blossom, sigil of darkness,|| broken spearpoint

[static jacinth]

Eventually then.

[chrome geyser]

sorry. new content

[quick valve]

It unlocks kinda late

[proper lagoon]

ah i see, just googled it haha

that one looks cool

[unkempt zephyr]

i always start with chaos then switch to whatever i need after that
@proper lagoon for start it Shattered Shackle. attack special cast have +80% damage with out boons. you stat like you already have 3 boons.

[chrome geyser]

broken spearpoint helps you survive the discolaser better

[proper lagoon]

oh wow i just googled that one it looks good too @unkempt zephyr

but i feel early game special builds already melt everything anyways

i guess cause im low heat

[chrome geyser]

you will get there

[unkempt zephyr]

but i feel early game special builds already melt everything anyways
@proper lagoon not in High skull punishment

[chrome geyser]

its perfectly fine to enjoy on low heat

but builds change

with heat

[proper lagoon]

i just cleared heat3 yesterday going to try heat4 today

[unkempt zephyr]

but i feel early game special builds already melt everything anyways
@proper lagoon to you can compare this keepsake and other on start. Poseidon boon give 55% damage blue ,aphro have 75% blue. this keepsake create i time when you dont weak. to you can take some boons,reroll or wait for what you need even with out boons on attack ,special,cast. and you still strong becaus 80% greate.

[leaden prism]

I'm struggling heat 2 with poseidon

maybe I should stop focusing artemis

and go for a different cast

[proper lagoon]

i cant remember the last time i had a really nice poseidon build

frankly

[leaden prism]

every time I try to go for her legendary I fail

pretty much my go-to poseidon is crit cast with exit wounds

and pray for chaos/legendary

for some reason I'm just so much better with Hera

because with that I'm pretty much cool with using any cast that's not ares

Hera with aphro is tricky but actually fun

you can actually use aphro cast as a ranged attack and if you time it just right the cast doesn't lodge and you can pick it up again right away

[unkempt zephyr]

I'm struggling heat 2 with poseidon
@leaden prism take Hades spear,attack poseidon and Breaking Wave. spin to win. only what you need its some trillpe hit from hammer attack x3 or dash attack x3 to kill bosses. and to this zeus anywere and take duo. you win.

[leaden prism]

I'm talking about poseidon sword

not poseidon boons

why would I be memeing with poseidon boons

[unkempt zephyr]

not poseidon boons
@leaden prism aphro cast + demeter damage after cast.

[leaden prism]

interesting

I'll try that

I should probably turn off the heat that removes my bottom 3 mirror skills tho

getting only common boons suck ass

[unkempt zephyr]

you you just take poseidon sword with poseidon cast and add demeter for duo. and have zeus or poseidon attack.

[main citrus]

Started to go on the Heat 9 runs. Aside from full extra Hp and speed, started adding more enemies. So far beat with shield and spear

Will probably remove everything once I wanna beat Charon, because no way I'll fight him with Forced Overtime

[unkempt zephyr]

easy to beat 10 skulls. becaus only what you can add its harder bosses and +% of heath to enemy on Blue Hearth. what not punish you weapon hard. and if you have feel fingers good :add time punish. 36 min to complete run enough.

[main citrus]

I am adding stuff that will probably make my life easier once I reach higher levels of heat. To get used to the enemies while they are buffed up, helps with my reaction, I feel.

[unkempt zephyr]

i just show easy way to get first titan blood.

[main citrus]

And I thank you for it. I'll probably need to start making the bosses harder anyway, since I need to beat Achilles in Extreme MEasures for Uncle Popo :v

[unkempt zephyr]

And I thank you for it. I'll probably need to start making the bosses harder anyway, since I need to beat Achilles in Extreme MEasures for Uncle Popo :v
@main citrus better bosses and armor guys with some extra ability more intresting. and mini bosses with some extra suff. try all of this.

[trim grotto]

What gods do you aim for with a Hera bow?

[turbid needle]

dio

[trim grotto]

who would you try to get to go with him?

[turbid needle]

demeter or zeus for the duo cast

[unkempt zephyr]

What gods do you aim for with a Hera bow?
@trim grotto cast of poseidon with some artemis to double cast. or some demeter on attack + dio cast + zeus cast.

[trim grotto]

I had the demeter one on a run before, felt weird if it's the same one.

The explosion from the casts is super delayed.

[unkempt zephyr]

I had the demeter one on a run before, felt weird if it's the same one.
@trim grotto https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/758505510873333760/unknown.png

one if easy build for hera

[trim grotto]

You know I never even noticed all the icons are the same just different colour.

I'll give Poseidon a bash anyway, not tried him.

[unkempt zephyr]

I'll give Poseidon a bash anyway, not tried him.
@trim grotto esixt dash build. when you only dash around and kill any enemy only with dash. even bosses. its still poseidon dash + duo with zeus . CAn be addet duo ares + zeus to revenge damage if wana)

[desert nacelle]

Arthur's combo is still not affected by dash attack?

[distant silo]

https://gyazo.com/064dedbdc1e2b15cab8d5da589e384bd This is what I have so far, any tips on what to look out for to make the build insane so I can maybe get my first win

[gaunt ivy]

good malphon aspect? i just got a buncha titan blood from a minor prophecy (beat game with each weapon) and fists are one of the few weapons i haven't upgraded

none seem too outstanding to me

[pallid dagger]

I'm still trying to get the last one
but Demeter works pretty well

the special hits 5 times if you hit with the normal attack 12 times, which is super easy

[rough falcon]

Hermes still has a locked heart any tips how to unlock ||did the epilog allready only hermes is left||

[small stirrup]

Did you spam this literally everywhere @rough falcon ?

[cunning urchin]

@small stirrup no, it's not in #hades-feedback.

[small stirrup]

Thank god

I think they would've put it there if they got the role

but they even put it in #h1-victory-boasting !

WHY THERE??!

[cunning urchin]

I saw.

[small stirrup]

i cri ;-;

it make no sense

[stray holly]

Is +damage to unharmed viable?
Do enemies with damaged armor still count as unharmed?

[cunning urchin]

No, just the first hit to armor counts.

[stray holly]

Well that goes back to my first question that
Is it even viable?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's a solid choice on some aspects.

[stray holly]

Like what though?
Can't imagine how "x2 first hit damage" is even comparable to the consistency of backstab damage, even if you don't always land backstabs because the bonus doesn't go away after the first hit

[small stirrup]

I think it's a good room clearer on Arthur

But I agree, shadow presence is way more viable

[cunning urchin]

Hestia, Coronacht, . . .

[small stirrup]

Oh yeah

Hestia...

[cunning urchin]

Backstab damage isn't very consistent if you're not actually backstabbing anything.

[stray holly]

Whats Hestia?

[cunning urchin]

If you can kill enemies in one shot less without having to care for backstabs, that's pretty big.

Hestia is an aspect of Exagryph.

[stray holly]

yeah but which, I don't remember them by name yet

[cunning urchin]

150 damage Empowered Shot after reloading.

At max level.

[stray holly]

Exagryph isn't that hard to backstab with though?
Just dash through the enemy and pop a bolt in their behind

[cunning urchin]

That gives you a 300-damage shot right at the start of your run.

[stray holly]

Agree on the bow though

yeah but when is the start of the run ever a struggle?

[small stirrup]

Exagryph is pretty challenging to backstab

Backstab on Arthur is hilarious imo

Its like actual comedy

[cunning urchin]

If you don't think the start of a run is a struggle, add more pacts until you die repeatedly in Tartarus.

That's when it's a struggle.

And that's when you might want to keep your distance rather than dash through enemies to backstab.

[stray holly]

That fair
My top heat is 9 atm so guess there's a long way until then lol

[cunning urchin]

Also can just depend on what pacts you choose.

Even at lower heats like that.

[main citrus]

Charged Shot + faster Bull Rush with Poseidon boon is such a troll move. Hades couldn't touch me.

[cunning urchin]

E.g., Benefits Package 2 + Forced Overtime 2 can makes things a lot harder very early on.

Because all the enemies are way faster and all the elites are way stronger.

[small stirrup]

Speaking of FO, does the game get faster or the enemies?

I've noticed Zag going a bit speedy since 1.0

[cunning urchin]

Only enemies.

[main citrus]

You either leave Forced Overtime for one of the last, when you are really high on heat where you are skilled enough to just go with it, or use it as one of your first heat sources so you get used to the speed.

[cunning urchin]

I've also said that Zag feels more slippery somehow in 1.0, but people said I'm imagining it.

[main citrus]

The speed messes up yout timing really bad, suddenly you can't dodge hits you were avoiding before.

[small stirrup]

You are definitely not imagining that Nyaan

Zag does feel slippery since 1.0

It's really weird

[cunning urchin]

Hmmmm. You can't really just slap on FO2 later on and just be skilled enough for it. You need to practice with it on to get good at it.

[small stirrup]

Same goes with a lot of pact options

RI 4 for example

just why...

[delicate nimbus]

Need some tips for both the secret gloves and the Beowulf shield

[cunning urchin]

And some people don't feel comfortable with it because (they say) they don't have the reactions for it, which is fine, too.

[small stirrup]

1.0 content is still spoilers @delicate nimbus

[delicate nimbus]

Kk updates

[small stirrup]

Thank you

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, RI4 is just 8 Heat lol.

[delicate nimbus]

What’s RI?

[main citrus]

Yeah, I am a slow potato and I struggle a lot with it. And still I refuse to remove FO2 because i need to get better at the game if I wanna reach Heat 16 someday.

[cunning urchin]

Routine Inspection.

[small stirrup]

Acronym for a heat pact called routine inspection

It's the one that turns off the mirror

[main citrus]

RI4 is just running as if it was your first run

[delicate nimbus]

I’m about to do my 16 heat run for the first time and I don’t use forced overtime

[small stirrup]

There are much better options for 16 heat

[cunning urchin]

You can do 32 even without FO2. But if you enjoy it, go for it!

[delicate nimbus]

Routine inspection doesn’t turn off everything you get the fountain rooms and keep your weapon level

[small stirrup]

Yeah I mentioned it turns off the mirror

[delicate nimbus]

What I was trying to say is that I’m doing 16 heat with extreme measures 4 and 7 minute timer and benefits package

[main citrus]

I just got used to it lol
Haven't ran without FO since Heat 3

[delicate nimbus]

Very doable without making the enemies hurt much more

[cunning urchin]

My casual setup is LC4 FO2 TD3, which adds up to 16 Heat.

[delicate nimbus]

LC?

[small stirrup]

Lasting consequences

[main citrus]

I run Forced Overtime and 30% extra health.

[cunning urchin]

Lasting Consequences.

[stray holly]

Do redacteds skulls count as foes for Killing Freeze?

[main citrus]

LC4? You run Guan Yu?

[delicate nimbus]

That’s the lower health healing one right?

[cunning urchin]

They're all just initialisms lol.

No, I use Stubborn Defiance.

[small stirrup]

There is a nice table in #h1-high-heat-strategies for all the acronyms Basket

[main citrus]

Ahhhh

[small stirrup]

Stubborn is a must at high heat

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, LC4 is Lasting Consequences at rank 4, so you get 0 healing.

But Stubborn Defiance can circumvent that.

[main citrus]

I can't deal with no healing, I take too many hits >>
I would probably only beat Shield and Spear runs without healing.

[small stirrup]

LC 4 is still very possible

[teal wren]

how you dealing with spear and no healing?

[small stirrup]

Idk

Git gud?

[main citrus]

Flurry Jab + Triple Jab + Aphro/Dio

[cunning urchin]

Spear 4 can still heal even with LC4 on.

[small stirrup]

GY?

[main citrus]

And Athena if you can

[small stirrup]

makes sense

[teal wren]

hmmm i see

[main citrus]

I run Achilles.

The best combo I found for my taste is Artemis/Athena for attacking, and Aphro/Dio for support.

Get Flurry Jab on your spear, try to get Triple Jab,, Support Fire and Athena's Aid.

You'll pop aids really fast

[cunning urchin]

I think LC4 FO2 TD3 is good practice if you ever want to do very high heats. You could do TD2 instead, though, and just try to improve your clear time with those pacts set up and clear consistently.

Or FO1 if you're more comfortable with that.

Basically just a timer as a DPS check, LC4 because that's basically default at high heat and you wanna learn to not rely on healing items, and FO on whatever level you normally want to play at.

[small stirrup]

I usually suck with not healing so I run RI at higher heats

[torpid wren]

Been honestly thinking of collecting bounties with spear since it's currently at 3 heat for me. Achilles the way to go?

[small stirrup]

I prefer Guan Yu

Or Hades Aspect

[cunning urchin]

I like spear 4. They're all pretty good.

[small stirrup]

I like spinning

[main citrus]

I am stabby person

[cunning urchin]

I just spam Special with spear 4 lol.

[torpid wren]

never liked how slow both the charge and recovery was for spins, but i guess i could get lucky on a hammer

[main citrus]

Guan Yu tends to be the fan favorite tho.

If you run Hades or Guan Yu, you need the faster spin upgrade.

Any spin run is void without it, I feel. Bare necessity :p

[cunning urchin]

Really? I feel like Hades and Achilles are getting all the love lately.

[dawn solar]

So what builds are good for the Aspect of Lucifer?

[cunning urchin]

Maybe that's just high heat. People kinda forgot about spear 4 on high heat lol.

[main citrus]

Achilles is great, but I mostly use it because it's the better of the two spears that can Flurry Jab.

[cunning urchin]

Which is funny because it was the first to clear 40 Heat, and then it was just kind of left there lol.

[main citrus]

Lucifer? Zeus/Demeter/Dio

Ares too if you feel daring.

I got Triple Bomb + Extra Hellfire range with Ares Special, it keeps radiating Doom lol

[torpid wren]

about leveling spear 4.... Does lowering the health penalty also affect how much it heals(don't think it matters but it's not clear)

[dawn solar]

With the boon that stacks the Doom damage with multiple hits?

[main citrus]

Yeah, Ares on fast weapons is for Dire Misfortune runs

[cunning urchin]

Healing isn't affected, no.

[small stirrup]

I don't like Dire misfortune as a boon tbh

It's forces me to put doom on attack when i usually like it on specials

[cunning urchin]

It's a flat 1 HP per hit that's not affected by anything else.

[main citrus]

Ares has 3 types of builds, I feel. Doom stacking, revenge stacking (with Zeus duo) and Blade :p

[reef galleon]

@dawn solar Find something that can successfully detonate the bombs without much trying that is also generally useful in a fight I guess. (Dionysus cast)

[main citrus]

Chiron Bow usually does Dire MIsfortune builds

[torpid wren]

hmm. okay. the -Life reduction and healing is prob referring to heal pick ups and not the spear

[main citrus]

IN the special instead of the attack

[cunning urchin]

I thought Vengeance was more of a meme than a build.

Hard to build for it, anyway, because they're not priority slots.

[main citrus]

I like stacking revenge lol
It's the ultimate lazy man build.

But it's a meme, yeah

[small stirrup]

Lightning rod is somehow not a meme anymore

[reef galleon]

the ultimate lazyman build is this and getting a hammer that makes you hold the button

[stray holly]

Viable if you get that one boon which triggers them passively

[main citrus]

Revenge BUild with shield, keep blocking while the gods do your job.

Yeah, that is specifically for the Zeus/Ares duo. Otherwise it's just not worthy

[dawn solar]

I had a fun run with Excalibur and Cursed Slash, so much healing and have a tone of damage reduction with boons, the Broken Spearpoint and Athena’s Call for immunity for free healing without being hit or stunned

[small stirrup]

Chotto matte

Excal with Cursed?

Are a masochist?

[main citrus]

I prefer the Uppercut healing upgrade for the fists lol

[small stirrup]

That sounds like hell

[cunning urchin]

Cursed Slash is way underrated.

[random light]

I mean the Uppercut healing on Fists isn’t that bad

[small stirrup]

NYAAN YOU LIKE IT?

[random light]

It’s 2% max HP on Special kill which is really easy if you’re using Demeter

[main citrus]

I use Talos mostly >>

[random light]

Cursed Slash is just Stygius version of Guan Yu

[magic dagger]

excalibur with cursed slash is better than anything else with cursed slash

[small stirrup]

Holy shades is Lysol normal again?

[dawn solar]

Yooo it freaking slaps! You can tank so much damage and just dash reflect all of Hade’s projectiles/attacks

[main citrus]

The magnetic effect is comfy as hecc

[random light]

Except you gotta use a hammer for Cursed Slash

[cunning urchin]

Lysol has ever been normal?

[magic dagger]

no

[small stirrup]

Fair

[cunning urchin]

Cursed Slash is great.

[magic dagger]

you have to remember
I liked zag sword before the buff