h1-builds-and-combat

[hardy dragon]

also try to get the infinity chamber so no reloading

you want to get low tolerance boon

[glass ether]

Seems that the point is, everyone have their best weapon😂 I love this game

[velvet yoke]

its awesome

[next moss]

once you internalize the final boss's patterns he's easy

[brittle wind]

Yeah

[lunar stump]

there are so many viable builds

[hardy dragon]

i actually dont prefer the rail but thats what i got my first clear on

[velvet yoke]

im 18 hours in so far

[brittle wind]

Everybody favorite gonna vary

[next moss]

like i fear theseus/minotaur more at this point

[brittle wind]

But some weapon just suckw

[next moss]

i don't have extreme measures ofc

[brittle wind]

I stupidly activate hells mode since the beginning too

Now i dont know how to turn that thing off

[next moss]

actually, isn't like

the worst weapon in terms of cleared heat

the zagreus base sword

[hardy dragon]

@glass ether stay on the channel and after this run il; see about posting the build i used for my first win or ill look for the jawless paul video might be that one I used

zagreus sword is awful

[lunar stump]

why would you use Zag's instead of nemesis

[next moss]

oh

i want to try all builds

once i unlock them

like i rushed hestia rail, im getting tired of it i want variety

even if its powerful

[lunar stump]

at least for me, they both play the same but nemesis gives you free crit

instead of let's say hestia vs normal bow, they change playstyles so much

[proven osprey]

nemesis aspect is good ?

[lunar stump]

it is, paired with a high multiplier attack like aphros or demeter

crazy damage

the sword may be my least favourite weapon and still its so fun to use

[hardy dragon]

so i have zeus special and jolted as well as demeter attack and i just got through asphodel

what keepsake to take through elysium?

im going up against extreme measures heroes

[elder lava]

Is there any decent discussion anywhere I could read r.e. aspects

[livid comet]

Check pins

[elder lava]

Or a guide that's a bit further on then that newbie guide

I did, didn't see anything unless I must it?

[livid comet]

ah

[elder lava]

Missed*

[livid comet]

well... that's a bit more difficult I think

[elder lava]

Yeah there's nothing

Ah understandable

I'm at the point where I've beat Hades a few times

Wanna spend some blood

[livid comet]

aspects is usually which weapon do you like a lot

and what your playstyle is

[elder lava]

Also a question, when I started the game I didn't start on hell (rather I didn't know it existed)

One you've been the game once and you get the contracts

Is it basically identical to hell

Or are there further differences

[livid comet]

uhh there's a couple differences

but I may be looking at out of date info

[elder lava]

aspects is usually which weapon do you like a lot
@livid comet

I get the impression that some are objectively Stronger than others

[livid comet]

sure but that's where we start

which weapon do you like using and are proficient with?

[elder lava]

Damn the are more differences? I can't be bothered to start again 😭

[untold vortex]

hell mode has an exlusive pact option in Personal Liability and always has on one rank in Hard Labour, Lasting consequences, jury summons, calisthenics program and personal liability

[livid comet]

right, and the max heat you can do is higher right?

I don't think you're particularly missing anything in Hell Mode

[untold vortex]

bounties cap at 25 heat instead of 20

[livid comet]

5

[untold vortex]

but that's because you start at 5 heat on hell mode

[livid comet]

20 + 5 base heat

[elder lava]

Erm, I've won with Poseidon sword, the should that gives you extra shields on special after you charge, and with the bow that has a tracking special once you hit with extra attacks

Shield*

[livid comet]

Chiron, and Chaos

hmm

which do you like most?

[elder lava]

Yep your right

Erm

I quite liked the bow (I think that one is Chiron)?

But it only felt really strong when I got the +4 hammer

I won I think 3 times with it

With +4 on special it felt easy

Without it

It felt like a slog

Also the anything thing about bow is when there are loads of small enemies like the rats but I probably need to dash strike more

[livid comet]

yup

dash strike is fundamental in making the bow perform

yup

[brave dune]

noice

[livid comet]

best in styx actually

[untold vortex]

also please spoiler tag that @brave dune (new 1.0 content is spoilers)

[livid comet]

anyhoo, I'd try the hidden bow if possible, and Hera bow (whichever one deals with casts)

GY is my absolute favourite weapon in the game

[hard holly]

Thats hero, yep

[livid comet]

YMMV

Hera Bow is fun with Dio cast @elder lava

[elder lava]

Oh yeah I do intend to try that one at some point

[livid comet]

but yeah the advice is, try stuff and see what works. Most sheilds are meh, fists are a ton of fun (also Base Fists are best fists imo)

[elder lava]

I might put some blood into base fist then

I think I read that one of the guns has no reload?

A chain lightning/jolted build might be fun if that's the case

[livid comet]

iunno, gun is my most disliked weapon so you're gonna have to ask someone else

[elder lava]

Fair

[untold vortex]

that's through a hammer, no rail aspect natively has no reload

[elder lava]

When it comes to the aspects, is it the case that they become significantly more useful once leveled up?

But to the point where some are a real detriment until leveled

[livid comet]

some of them yes

some of them no

but that's because they aren't weapons that have inherently great features

[elder lava]

Ah fair

Yeah I'm intending on avoiding bad aspects for now lol, especially while I don't have a lot of blood, want to use it to experience the " highest potential" of each weapon

Think I'll upgrade base fist, grab aciles

[livid comet]

all the weapons are decent and viable

achilles?

[elder lava]

Maybe nemesis too

[livid comet]

spear??

[elder lava]

Its one of the spears I think

With the rush

[livid comet]

yeah bleh

achilles is a hard nope for me chief

[elder lava]

I should also Google how to unlock the fourth aspect of each

Lol is Achilles that bad??

[livid comet]

all the spears other than Guan Yu are bleh for me

which is what I mean by you can make pretty much every weapon viable

[robust anchor]

yes i agree

[elder lava]

Damn it's like that

[robust anchor]

the spears are quite underwhelming

[livid comet]

Guan Yu singlehandedly prevents spears from being the worst weapon in the game for me

[robust anchor]

youll see how to unlock each weapon pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[hardy dragon]

has anyone tried a poseidon aspect cast build?

[livid comet]

almost certainly

[weary gust]

achilles is the only spear i like

[cunning urchin]

@elder lava the newbie build guide is essentially what we use at extremely high heats like 45+, too. I might do some slightly more advanced guide for all the aspects, but I haven't had the time yet.

Basically, you just want to learn what Duo Boons you can get with the boons from the newbie guide.

Then you can aim for which you think work best for your aspect.

[rocky trail]

isnt the 2 hp heal attack the most newb friendly?

[onyx folio]

id honestly say no

its extremely good most of the time but the perma lower health means youll die very fast late game if you have got defensive means

since some major enemies can deal 40+ damage in one hit

[radiant skiff]

Best thing to get earlier on is that one mirror buff that heals you between rooms

It stacks up, and can relieve some early tension

[rigid hazel]

which god is good with the fists?

[onyx folio]

ares attack boon

[untold vortex]

ares, athena, or zeus

for attack

[onyx folio]

yeah

[untold vortex]

for more specifics on each
-ares attack, athena special and athena dash into merciful end
-athena attack, artemis dash into deadly reversal
-all in zeus

[onyx folio]

you dont want artemis bc of low overall damage unless you want to go for special

[rigid hazel]

thanks @onyx folio @untold vortex

[outer nimbus]

oh my b

||what boons does one go on guan yu aspect||

[reef galleon]

@outer nimbus I generally go with daedalus hammers rather than boons tbh. Poseidon is good on special to keep distance, Athena on special is good to avoid unnecessary projectile damage since you have low HP.

Zeus \ Artemis on attack

[outer nimbus]

yeah but i dont know of any boons that give you hammers off the top of my head

[onyx folio]

i think the ares wiki page is broken lol

[outer nimbus]

||oh right the hammers change with hidden aspects my bad, totally forgot||

[proven osprey]

hey guys

[onyx folio]

was looking at it to double check the good boons

[reef galleon]

@outer nimbus No, hammers give you the boons, not the other way around

[onyx folio]

cant access the boon list

[proven osprey]

I'm kinda new and I have no idea how to deal dmg in this game

[onyx folio]

😔

[outer nimbus]

oh my bad

i meant keepsake*

@proven osprey Get a feel for the game first, theres a pinned message to this channel which talks about helpful boons for each weapon at a very surface level

[proven osprey]

oh yeah I read it

but yeah does not help that much

I beat the game once with a shield, that took me decades but was ok

The thing is I think my boon choice is garbage

[onyx folio]

athena dash, artemis special, zeus call and athena/ares/aphrodite for attack with urge to kill, pressure points and other agnostically good boons are my go to

[proven osprey]

and I don't really know how good is each boon / attack type etc or event aspects

[onyx folio]

no idea whats good for cast tbh

you can really never go wrong with athena and aphrodite

[proven osprey]

yeah I really like these two

[onyx folio]

those are my top priority gods

[proven osprey]

Isn't Ares underwhelming tho ?

[onyx folio]

yeah

blade rift is bad

[proven osprey]

Or I'm missing something

[onyx folio]

urge to kill is just very very good

[reef galleon]

I don't believe you can screw up too much even if you think your boon choice is garbage.

[untold vortex]

blade rift is great when you build into it

[proven osprey]

yeah urge to kill, ofc

[onyx folio]

and doom is also really nice

[outer nimbus]

Yeah

[ornate remnant]

is family favorite per boon or per different god

[proven osprey]

@reef galleon yeah, I just have to be good right

[onyx folio]

blade rift requires tons of boon support which is hard when youre new

[outer nimbus]

Doom is great with certain builds

so its all about the weapon, || aspect || and boons

[onyx folio]

with low investment its very underwhelming

[slim scarab]

flurry fire or spread fire with eris aspect and zeus chain attack?

[livid comet]

woah

finally managed to get merciful end on doom fists

[untold vortex]

per different Olympian god @ornate remnant (so chaos won't count towards it)

[reef galleon]

@proven osprey not exactly. The game has a table of permanent upgrades that really affect your overall "power status" so to speak. You can up your health permanently, give yourself more lives permanently. So if you're relatively new then try to look up what mirror talents you need and upgrade them.

[proven osprey]

Yeah true

[outer nimbus]

i think the most helpful for new players (and bad players like me who get hit a lot) is death defiance

so as you progress, you'll have better chances of clearing the game

[rocky trail]

i had like 350 hp and death defiance and i could just tank teh final boss

[onyx folio]

greater reflex is a godsend

[rocky trail]

swinging at eachother 😄

[proven osprey]

what gave me my first (and only) win was the starting hp I think

[livid comet]

bro

[reef galleon]

Mirror of Night has a significant effect on the sense of your "skill". But really the game just gives you more leeway later in terms of screwing up.

[outer nimbus]

and to improve on your dps you should make use of the small perks the mirror gives you, like 50% (i think) bonus damage if the enemy is affected by2 statuses which is not very hard to do

[onyx folio]

everyones bad early

[livid comet]

Athena call managed to get me impervious through all of FB's Phase 2 o_0

[outer nimbus]

or use casts so the bosses or minibosses take more damage

[onyx folio]

yeah privilege is good the key requirement just takes forever

[livid comet]

I just blitzed through

[rocky trail]

i was doing 1500 damage per coronacht special, what other weapons can do that?

i need a new build

[livid comet]

Arthur

uhh, Nemesis?

[proven osprey]

About the mirror, I don't really know what's good about a perk vs the other

[outer nimbus]

its down to personal preference i think

all of them are good

[livid comet]

So some are objectively worse

like Dark Foresight

[outer nimbus]

h

*oh yeah

my b

[onyx folio]

thats fair

[livid comet]

😛

[ornate remnant]

coronacht can do some fat damage with a single hit

like 3k backstab crits are are fun time

[livid comet]

Dark Regen is almost always better than Cthonic vit

[proven osprey]

Yeah I switched to that one too

but for the cast, I'm clueless

[outer nimbus]

I only recently started playing around with Coronach and oooo boy || chiron aspect with doom ||

gimme gimme

[livid comet]

Stygian Soul is generally better unless you can knock casts out of enemies

[outer nimbus]

feels satisfying not sure why

[ornate remnant]

is dark foresight necessarily worse

[livid comet]

yep

you can usually RNG the boons you need for a build it feels like

[outer nimbus]

it adversely affects the boons i do get too much for me to consider it

[untold vortex]

no, not really

they're both good

[onyx folio]

greater reflex, death defiance, dark regeneration, golden touch, privileged status and olympian favor are the only ones i think are objectively better

[outer nimbus]

really?

[reef galleon]

Nope

[onyx folio]

but i dont have the last 2 talents yet

[outer nimbus]

i much prefer ruthless reflex

[livid comet]

golden touch is only better if you don't take shops early.

[untold vortex]

dark foresight was objectively worse when it was at 10%

[reef galleon]

I like ruthless as well

[livid comet]

and I don't so I try to make as much use of the gold later as I can

[ornate remnant]

i feel like theyre both good yeah

[outer nimbus]

I usually always luck out and get hermes dashes

[livid comet]

ruthless is something I'm not used to

[outer nimbus]

so i rarely need greater

[ornate remnant]

like rare is only one up from common so getting more boons or poms can be good

[onyx folio]

yeah im bad so the extra dash is massive

[outer nimbus]

and even without it, i think i dodge last moment out of habit anyway

oh yeah thats not to say im good, i still get hit like an idiot all the time lol

[livid comet]

but yeah I usually find that if I switch out for the Legendary/Duo thing and Dark Foresight, the run becomes a lot worse?

[onyx folio]

thick skin/high confidence and infernal soul/stygian soul are both equally good imo

fulfil different niches

[outer nimbus]

TRUE

*true

[livid comet]

Infernal is prolly better for cast based weapons

[onyx folio]

dunno about shadow presence and fiery presence

[livid comet]

Shadow presence objectively better

[onyx folio]

yeah i thought so

[livid comet]

fiery presence you can only proc once per enemy

[onyx folio]

but im not sure bc i havent tested fiery at all

[untold vortex]

fiery presence is great on things that do big one hits

[reef galleon]

I think ruthless is more intuitive if your coming from action \timing oriented games or just keen to learn the game's patterns while greater reflex is a more straightforward variant of avoiding damage.

[proven osprey]

I'm not confident enough to choose high confidence

[outer nimbus]

yeah, sniper build on adamant rail benefits from fiery

[onyx folio]

thick skin is also good

dont worry

[livid comet]

thick skin carry me \o/

[proven osprey]

yeah It helped me a lot I think

[outer nimbus]

Yeah i'd agree @reef galleon

[livid comet]

I remember when green mirror first came out

[outer nimbus]

Thick skin is the only reason i have ever beat FB 🙂

[livid comet]

bruh, GY with high confidence is yikes

25 base HP

[reef galleon]

However, this game doesn't exactly account for all situations when you only have one ruthless reflex. So there is a chance that without upgrades from Hermes it could be considered "objectively worse".

[livid comet]

woo

is it 25?

[outer nimbus]

Which is why hermes best boy

[onyx folio]

hermes is nuts

thats why hes hammer 2

[outer nimbus]

For some reason i always find hermes when its most convenient..

[ornate remnant]

i never get hermes cast boons when i do a cast run

[elder lava]

Are any of the diamond upgrades worthwhile or just pump it into more blood for more fighting?

[onyx folio]

the only time i wouldnt take hermes is if im stacked for cash and its last shop of zone or if theres a hammer

[ornate remnant]

man blade rift is rough if you do not get all the right boons

[onyx folio]

blade rift is very meh without yeah

[outer nimbus]

blade rift is hit or miss

[onyx folio]

and it also invalidates boiling blood and abyssal blood

[outer nimbus]

but when it hits, boy does it hit

[onyx folio]

i guess they never miss huh

[outer nimbus]

if only

the only time i get the ares boons are when im doing a rail run (for the cast)

[novel tapir]

@elder lava which diamond upgrades

[onyx folio]

honestly i think taking blade rift cast is actively detrimental if you dont have support already

[elder lava]

Like

[novel tapir]

do you mean the ones that turn meta rewards to run rewards?

[onyx folio]

think its called slicing shot

[outer nimbus]

I honestly rarely pick casts unless im actively gunning for a cast build

[onyx folio]

the dash might be good but id still take athena over literally everything else

[elder lava]

Darker thirst, nectar vintage, Erebus gateways etc

[onyx folio]

so it dont matter

[novel tapir]

Yeah I mean they do very specific things

[ornate remnant]

gonna do a hestia run

[outer nimbus]

I think athena and demeter and dion are my least picked

I havent done a single run with them yet

[ornate remnant]

i think i might try artimis for fat crit

[onyx folio]

athena least picked...

[novel tapir]

Nectar one is especially amazing

[onyx folio]

bruh moment

[outer nimbus]

if i see her i only ever take the dash

[novel tapir]

You really want to unlock erebus as well

otherwise you are missing out on quite a bit

[elder lava]

Damn, all those wasted diamonds

[onyx folio]

demeter and poseidon are my least picked by far

[median oar]

what's the spear aspect for me if I like to play it with just standard attack (esp. the hammer that removes the sweep)

[elder lava]

I've got 2 left so I'll get nectar I guess, and then save up for erebus

[onyx folio]

none of them lol

[novel tapir]

Erebus gates only work with heat levels though

5-10-15 heat

[acoustic venture]

So uh

[onyx folio]

first 3 spear aspects arent really very good for attack builds

[elder lava]

Ah then I am too low

[acoustic venture]

Pom petal busted??

[outer nimbus]

I always get poseidon on shield

[novel tapir]

You can hold off on it

[median oar]

is it good with 4 then?

[elder lava]

I'm just going through the weapons on low/no heat right now

[outer nimbus]

i dont know if theres a single build on shield that works except poseidon because i hate shield

[novel tapir]

but the darkness one and the nectar one are great

[elder lava]

Depending on the weapon

[novel tapir]

Would highly recommend getting those 2

[elder lava]

Thanks for the info!!

[novel tapir]

Shield is probably the most versitile weapon

Everything works

[outer nimbus]

bruh

[onyx folio]

yeah shield is very good

[outer nimbus]

in my experience i hate shield maybe its just me

i like big number high dps go boom

[livid comet]

||Pom Petal|| I found to be alright. Would prefer Acorn for high heats

[novel tapir]

It depends on the aspect as well

[onyx folio]

from a perspective of someone with only 1 win shield definitely feels the easiest to succeed with

[novel tapir]

if you are looking for big numbers, 4th aspect of the shield has pretty big numbers

[livid comet]

Shield was my first win

[elder lava]

Is either god's pride or god's legacy " objectively" better or is it more of a just depends

[livid comet]

I dare say that a max Zagspect Fist might be easier to use though.

Just got a new PB with them

[novel tapir]

I don't know those by name

are those the mirror upgrades at the bottom

[livid comet]

Yup.

[elder lava]

Its greater chance for epic, or greater chance for legendary/duo

[onyx folio]

rip got spoiled

[novel tapir]

I like the greater chance for epics

[onyx folio]

not like it matters lole

[livid comet]

I find the Legendary/Duo chance upgrade to be less useful overall to me

[elder lava]

That's the one I'm leaning towards

Epic

[onyx folio]

there are some legendary/duos that make or break a run tho

[untold vortex]

it really depends on what you go for with builds

[reef galleon]

Never found legendary with maxed out chance for legendary so I switched to Epic and happy now

[livid comet]

sure and most builds don't need duos?

or maybe that's just me

[novel tapir]

I only turned on the legendary finding chance to get hermes legendaries

[livid comet]

if your build needs a duo/legendary, go for the duo/legendary boost

[novel tapir]

those are very hard to get

[livid comet]

else, go for the epic rarity boost.

[untold vortex]

for me, most the builds I like revolve around duo's

[livid comet]

I guess dark foresight is handy if you go for olympian favor

whichever it is that increases damage output for different boons

[onyx folio]

exclusive access, heartrend, lightning phalanx, scintillating feast and curse of nausea are insane

[elder lava]

Gotta invest my darkness first :(

[novel tapir]

Duos usually make runs for me as well, but I never struggled to find them

[onyx folio]

those have really helped me break through zones

[livid comet]

I mean, I just finished a Fist run with Merciful End

twas good

[elder lava]

I usually always find duos if I have the prerequisites

[untold vortex]

merciful end (there's an exploit on chaos shield that's absolutely nuts right now)

[elder lava]

Or at least it feels that way

[livid comet]

wait what tell me more

[lunar stump]

lmao i was just gonna ask about dark foresight, i just tried it for the first time with the epic boost and it ended up being amazing

[onyx folio]

havent picked up merciful end yet but i heard its bonkers

[livid comet]

merciful end on shield was my first ever win

[untold vortex]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/751374904

just casually skipping an entire Lernie phase

[onyx folio]

bruh moment

[livid comet]

Wut

bull rush -> Ath special

wait

does eery special proc ME

o_0

[onyx folio]

the f word!!!!!

[untold vortex]

it seems like all 6 shields procced ME

[outer nimbus]

wait

[livid comet]

O_0

[onyx folio]

on our christian minecraft server

[outer nimbus]

wait wait

[ornate remnant]

MEÉ

[elder lava]

Wtf is that damage

[ornate remnant]

whatès me

[livid comet]

they made my first build op af

[outer nimbus]

i thought merciful end makes it so that your doom effects activate when you hit them only if the doom is already applied

[livid comet]

okay then, gotta go try it

[outer nimbus]

do you not need to apply the doom for ME to proc?

[livid comet]

eah

[untold vortex]

yes you do

[livid comet]

bull rush applies the doom

EVERY SHIELD procs doom

[elder lava]

I'm chipping away at bosses 0.01% at a time over here

[livid comet]

so you get 5-6 times doom for one

[elder lava]

I'm hustling backwards

[livid comet]

so chaos sheild special launches a buncha shields

[spark lotus]

chaos shield is meta again

[outer nimbus]

Oops

[livid comet]

so doom damage x6

he he

[outer nimbus]

so the doom doesnt expire once proc'ed?

jesus christ

[livid comet]

nono the doom expires

but all the shields proc it

[spark lotus]

Btw I think that's an F10 stuff right here

[rocky trail]

someone said shield + zeus is a good combo, how exactly?

[outer nimbus]

sounds insane

[ornate remnant]

is this a bug?

[livid comet]

zeus special on chaos sheild

sssh it's fine

[untold vortex]

it's an exploit

[livid comet]

oh man, I gotta do this for TD3

[novel tapir]

Zeus special + zeus shield is probably what they are talking about?

[livid comet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[novel tapir]

idk zeus in general deals a lot of damage

[reef galleon]

what's wrong with zeus special on other shield aspects

I was thinking of trying out zeus on chaos

[empty veldt]

I’m having issues in playing with shield. What boons work well with shield? Poseidon?

[livid comet]

only if you build Zeus

well...

[novel tapir]

nothing is wrong

[livid comet]

merciful end

[novel tapir]

zeus is exceptional with certain attacks and specials

[livid comet]

uhh Zeus special?

[spark lotus]

Zeus special + zeus shield is probably what they are talking about?
@novel tapir Zeus bolts have internal cooldown so only one bolt procs

That's not much damage

[novel tapir]

Uh I just used it yesterday

It procced on every spin

I know it works that way on chiron

[livid comet]

aight I'mma go sleep but it's been fun catching up with peeps from EA

😄

[spark lotus]

Oh sorry I'm stupid

[onyx folio]

smh

[spark lotus]

Thought of Chaos shield instead of Zeus

[novel tapir]

Ah okay makes sense

[elder lava]

Oh was chaos shield nerfed heavily at some point?

[novel tapir]

But yeah it works with zeus shield

[spark lotus]

Someone suggested Zeus shield with Doom and ME

[dire wedge]

does anyone have the soundtrack? because right now I'm in asphodel jamming to ||eurydice and orpheus playing it's in the blood on the lyre instead of good riddance|| and that needs to be in my playlist NOW

[livid comet]

man

[novel tapir]

The full playlist should be on youtube on the official sg channel

[livid comet]

is it weird that I'm tempted to start a new game

[untold vortex]

it's also on spotify

[ornate remnant]

for hestia do people go crit or just damage with aphro

[untold vortex]

and it's availible to purchase either digital or physical from their merch store

[elder lava]

I think my highest damage run was stacking doom and hangover

On the homing bow with +4 arrows

[untold vortex]

chiron with that hammer is a tonne of fun :3

[novel tapir]

yeah chiron is a beast

My favourite aspect of my favourite weapon

to the point that I haven't beaten redacted EM4 with any other weapon yet

[dire wedge]

im pretty sure that youtube doesn't have this particular version, imma check out spotify and the others. thanks!

cheesed my way through EM4 with merciful end chaos

i still took a truckload of damage though, with everything flying around on screen. I got doomstone and the power couple for the summons

[rare kayak]

man this is a weird friggin beo run

hunter flare + athena attack + deadly reversal + fully loaded + mirage shot

[next moss]

my highest damage run is just rng giving me absurd stuff

zag fists

i forgot the name, i got the hammer that makes you hit your special a third time in a aoe blast

[rare kayak]

oh and budget sea storm in the form of pos dash and lightning reflexes lul

[next moss]

and i got dio special at that point, which i swapped to demeter special

so i had a heroic demeter special on floor 7 or 8

with a hammer on special

and [spoilers] keepsake for regular upgrades

i got a chaos soon after

final boss took 2 mins with cutscenes

[glossy kraken]

any good lucifer builds?

[empty veldt]

Ok with Chaos shield in with doom in reference to https://www.twitch.tv/videos/751374904 -> The doom boon is on attack not special?

[untold vortex]

yes, doom attack, deflect special

[empty veldt]

hmm how did it work, cause the insane doom procs was using the chaos special no?

[untold vortex]

Merciful End

[empty veldt]

oooooooooooooo

[reef galleon]

@glossy kraken zeus on attack, anything but artemis or dionysus or zeus on special + Trippy Shot \ any cast that can detonate the special bombs with relative speed while doing aoe damage. Hammers: Triple Bomb, Triple Beam

[empty veldt]

right

[proven osprey]

Ok I'm going nemesis and I got deadly strike first room in

[untold vortex]

[proven osprey]

also

artemis seems to give little dmg right

I might switch later ?

[empty veldt]

Yeah but the crit makes up for it

[onyx folio]

artemis hella strong

high base damage attacks with crit is very good

[empty veldt]

especially with Duo Aphrodite

[untold vortex]

especially if you go aphro special into heartbreak strike

[onyx folio]

which is why shes the go-to for specials

for me at least

[empty veldt]

I've had 3k crits + shared anguish damage on the bow hidden aspect with artemis

[onyx folio]

pog

[reef galleon]

Don't make the mistake of upgrading artemis boons that only up your base damage, like artemis attack.

[proven osprey]

aphro special, ok

@reef galleon I just did it but had no other choice

I noticed the crit rate was not affected yeah

[onyx folio]

only bad thing about aphrodite is her cast lmao

i hate that cast

[untold vortex]

then try for heart rend (aphro/artemis duo)

[proven osprey]

Any condition to unlock that ?

like a boon from both and I'm good ?

[onyx folio]

tiny baby range, lasts all of a second and needs another linked boon to get better

demeter vibes

[ornate remnant]

aphro is the only cast i dislike

i miss the actual shotgun

[untold vortex]

arti attack and aphro special are pre-reqs for it

it's just a matter of RNG be willing after that

[empty veldt]

arti attack and aphro special are pre-reqs for it
@untold vortex or vice versa works right

[reef galleon]

I would like to defend aphro cast but I struggle to find any arguments

[proven osprey]

aphro special, ok

just go aphro but no special

ty tho

that's typically the kind of knowledge I'm lacking

[onyx folio]

aphro's cast feels like its always bad, demeter and ares require lots of boon investment in order to ever be worth losing your cast-in-enemy mirror benefits and poseidon's is just big damage aoe and thats it

[proven osprey]

aphro offers a lot of dmg tho

[onyx folio]

the range is so bad

and its slow to come out

[empty veldt]

Aphro outside of cast imo

[proven osprey]

oh cast

nvm

[empty veldt]

oh nvm u talking about cast specifically

[onyx folio]

yeah aphrodite's attack and special are bonkers

literally just the cast is bad

[empty veldt]

even call is nice nuke damage

[robust anchor]

any tips to shave time off? im doing nemesis runs at around 14 heat. no matter what i try i cannot break 22:30

[onyx folio]

is the best call in the game zeus

[proven osprey]

is strong drink good ?

[onyx folio]

it feels like it is

[untold vortex]

yes, it's great

(except if you use LC4, then it's not great)

[onyx folio]

yeah strong drink is pretty nice

free damage modifier even if its just a small % is very good

and the heals are massive if youve got a big hp pool

[untold vortex]

it's saved by butt in styx a couple of times

[proven osprey]

just got flurry slash

the crits are going to be real

[proven osprey]

Thank you rng, I'm able to test the arte/aphro duo

[untold vortex]

Pog

[proven osprey]

too bad I can't share it

[spark lotus]

I tried that Chaos aspect ME bugged build

Not like it's OP

It requieres very precise Bull Rush charging and Special aim and it's still inconsistent

And only works well against large targets, for which that damage is not great

Basic Chiron builds do more

[random light]

Thank you rng, I'm able to test the arte/aphro duo
@proven osprey thats a really fun duo, I love going Artemis/Aphrodite crit builds

Especially on Nemesis sword lol

[proven osprey]

yeah I'm trying for the first time

I tore the third boss to shred

(only one win atm, it's like my 30th run)

I also got a lot of back stab dmg

[sullen valley]

So uh, apparently charming Theseus during his call causes the gods to attack him...thanks Athena.

[random light]

Charming the final boss is hilarious because the boss just stops attacking and runs in place for like a couple seconds lmao

[sullen valley]

Dude

Dude

Fully Upgraded Aspect of Chiron

Aphrodite Attack

Aphrodite Special

That one hammer that increases your special arrow count

Unhealthy Fixation

[small stirrup]

Hoo boi

[untold vortex]

that sounds like a fun build

[sullen valley]

Eternal laughter

"Sit down, it's my turn to play."

[small stirrup]

Sounds like a necromancer build

It's literally the "Turn Undead" spell

[sullen valley]

Except it's almost permanent

[onyx parcel]

Chat

Aspect of nemesis good?

[keen magnet]

crit them into oblivion

[small stirrup]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticGiftedPanGrammarKing

Yes

Tis good

[keen magnet]

especially if you get a good special like athena or zeus

[small stirrup]

Or you could just go crit all the way

[spark lotus]

Chiron with ME does not actiate doom multiple times, two at best

It's okay I'm just microblogging what I test?

[hearty elbow]

The discord is your oyster

[onyx parcel]

Might have to get nemesis

After I max out Demeter and chaos

But that’ll take a while

[proven osprey]

what do you think about Cursed slash ?

less hp but regen

[reef galleon]

It is exactly as it sounds

[onyx parcel]

Cursed?

[reef galleon]

slash

[proven osprey]

Fated choice so here we go anyway

ah

20 hp

[small stirrup]

Nice

have fun

[unkempt pagoda]

cursed slash is gimmicky but can be good in the right situation

[sullen valley]

You know fighting EM4 final boss with one Dash and Hestia is bad when it burns through all 3 of your DD's, and you apply Weak with every Attack, and you have 400+ HP

[proven osprey]

wtf

[hearty elbow]

I had a meme run yesterday where I took Cursed Slash on Nemesis with full intention of continuing to Dash-Strike

[proven osprey]

how to I get to 20 hp

[small stirrup]

Cursed slash buddo

[proven osprey]

with 80hp as a base

[sullen valley]

I didn't even make it to the 3rd Phase...

[small stirrup]

60% hp correct?

[hearty elbow]

It kinda worked out. Played out a lot like Special GY, where I use the spin to recover from mistakes

[small stirrup]

That's how much it takes

[proven osprey]

yeah 60%

[hearty elbow]

Does someone actually know what happened to the dash strike on Stygius? I don't play the weapon often so I'm finding it hard to tell a difference.

[proven osprey]

should I have 80*0.4 wich is 32 ?

lmao

it applies to the 50 hp base

my bonus is squished

[small stirrup]

It's seems alright ledger

What changed?

[hearty elbow]

Something according to patch notes

[proven osprey]

I'm robbed

[small stirrup]

Let me consult

According to patch-notes, the recovery and its input has been adjusted

[sullen valley]

I wouldn't recommend using Ruthless Reflex with Hestia.

[small stirrup]

Ya think?

So I haven't felt much of a difference

I've been running a lot of zag aspect

I can still chain dash strikes pretty well

[hearty elbow]

The second dash is one of the best tools in the game for every aspect.

[small stirrup]

Agreed

But Ruthless works really well on the new fists

[hearty elbow]

It does yeah

Since you're going from 4->3

Which is pretty much irrelevant

[sullen valley]

Dude...I had like, full HP, 400+ Max, all 3 DD's. I could deal a good amount of damage with the Butterfly's bonus and Hestia. Ruthless Reflex hhhhhhh

I mean I would be cool with Greatest Reflex, but Hermes wasn't letting me and Routine Inspection is also partial to blame!

[hearty elbow]

How would RI influence not getting the extra dashes?

[ember ermine]

For the hades spear. What does that symbol that appears over enemy heads after the charged attack mean?

[sullen valley]

Hover over the Aspect options

[small stirrup]

That means they are under the debuff that the Hades aspect applies

[sullen valley]

They should tell you more info on your aspect, and it's unique traits.

[small stirrup]

They take more damage from attacks that aren't a spin

Essentially

[sullen valley]

Mhm

[ember ermine]

Oh i just can’t read. Oops. Thanks

[lament creek]

is it me or is doom just

bad

[sullen valley]

It's good if you use it correctly

[small stirrup]

Doom is amazing

[hearty elbow]

Doom is amazing conditionally

[sullen valley]

If you have a weapon that deals a weak attack, or a weapon that deals a very slow attack, it can make up for it's damage output or speed.

[hearty elbow]

It's definitely not the best "well I'll just slap it on this build" thing

[spark marsh]

i love doom

[sullen valley]

If you focus on Doom also, it works amazingly well if you get all 3 of the Doom-related Boons and your quick weapon attack deals enough damage on it's ownsome as well.

"Spread Fire" is the Shotgun, right?

[hearty elbow]

It shines with Merciful End

Yeah

[sullen valley]

bwuh

[spark marsh]

also i just started is there an end to this game?

[keen magnet]

Yea ares athena duo is insane

[hearty elbow]

Define... end.

And also probably ask in #h1-story-discussion

[spark marsh]

like do you complete it

[hearty elbow]

Yes and no. But yeah I can answer more in the other channel

[unkempt pagoda]

the game or the story?

[ember ermine]

Oh also. For the cast is the extra damage or the reduce move and attack speed generally seen as better

[keen magnet]

Damage unga bunga enemy die fast

[stable grotto]

So anyone else going long stretches without seeing a certain god? I've had 10 plus games and have not seen Athena at all

[thick raptor]

I've definitely hit that before

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, for sure. Also streaks where it seemed like my keepsake condemned me to only get 1 of that god

In the entire run

[proven osprey]

OK so I'm on a arte/aphro crit build, Athena's call + artemis perk that charges up the gauge witch crits

I'm invincible !

(for now)

[hearty elbow]

Go for broke with Zeus for Smoldering Air for invincibility memes

[stone river]

What aspect for the sword / spear / bow are the “best”? I have only beaten the game with gun and fist

Haven’t beaten with the other weapons / have trouble

[hearty elbow]

Spear is probably Hades, followed by GY, Bow is probably Zag/Rama

Rama is a very different playstyle than the other 3 bows though, so heads up with that.

[river matrix]

I went for smoldering air runs twice yesterday and neither came together. The duo boon just wouldn't show. I had Zeus Attack, Aphro Special, and Aphro Call for both, and got a combined ~8 Zeus/Aphro boons between the two runs after having that setup, but no dice.

[drifting vale]

Personally i find the utility of the achilles spear plus extra damage incredibly useful and only one i use tbh
Sword i use zag cause again really nice utility
Bow honestly i think all are good (like above said rama is very different but if you can work with it its a lot of damage) chiron is my favorite but i swap between them all

[narrow rampart]

i am a broken record at this point but cast builds using Achilles spear are 👌

[hearty elbow]

I went for smoldering air runs twice yesterday and neither came together. The duo boon just wouldn't show. I had Zeus Attack, Aphro Special, and Aphro Call for both, and got a combined ~8 Zeus/Aphro boons between the two runs after having that setup, but no dice.
@river matrix Actually, me too. It didn't appear for me at all yesterday despite trying about 3 times for it

I don't think it's requirements changed

Pretty much the same exact experience, actually

I got totally flooded with Zeus and Aphro boons but no Duo

Also I can't get Lightning Rod anymore, which is truly karmic justice because I actually want to try it now lol. In Blood Price, Lightning Rod was your penance for trying to break the game with Lightning + Support Fire

[next moss]

well

do we have like an overview on odds for boons

how the calculation works

with or without the mirror buff

[smoky atlas]

bruh

aphrodites call hits like a truck

why is the power of sex so stronk

[cunning urchin]

@Zeph#7964 Poseidon's Aid and Dionysus' Aid do the most damage, Zeus' Aid comes right after.

[robust shale]

is a full poseidon + dionysus build good for the hades spear?

the poseidon call is giant life saver

[hearty elbow]

Dionysus for... what?

[robust shale]

i don't know, consistent damage?

[unkempt pagoda]

i'd literally just slap dio on, like, call for a chance for exclusive access

and then move on to other ventures

[cunning urchin]

You use Hangover mainly just to beat DC unless it's his Call.

[hearty elbow]

You want one of the base damage altering hammers for Hades, like Serrated Point or Exploding Launcher.

Because you get that thicc Punishing Sweep bonus

[cunning urchin]

Dionysus' Aid is generally the best DPS Call in the game.

[hearty elbow]

The competition was nerfed, so yeah

[cunning urchin]

There was never any real competition, to be honest.

[hearty elbow]

(I know lol. Why did they nerf Zeus'?)

[cunning urchin]

Because of Smoldering Air.

Probably.

Doesn't matter to me, slapping on Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air is still busted.

[hearty elbow]

Yeah. Had it at level 1, common but with Smoldering Air and Double Strike

ezpz

[cunning urchin]

Have you tried it on Eris yet?

[hearty elbow]

That's why it was ezpz 😛

[cunning urchin]

Lol

[robust anchor]

what is y’all’s favorite shield aspect

i have been trying zeus with not much success

[hearty elbow]

Zeus is sweet but learning curvy

[hasty oracle]

I would say chaos shield. I've been using that a lot lol

[hearty elbow]

I like Zag aspect as long as I have Pulverising Blow

It's too annoying to chase stuff down otherwise

[limber pine]

4th Aspect Shield is really nice and hefty, Chaos is great

[robust anchor]

youre supposed to toss the thing and let it chase you right

[hasty oracle]

I haven't ran with zag shield and maybe I should since you brought it up lol

I just unlocked the 4th one

[limber pine]

4th is crazy good

[hasty oracle]

What's a good build for that one?

[unkempt pagoda]

charged throw

[limber pine]

a good cast like Aphro/Arti, not Dio/Ares since they stay there

[unkempt pagoda]

if you want to play as intended, passion flare with infernal soul

load, rush, pick up, repeat

[hasty oracle]

Hmm I see

So mostly Aphro/Ares then?

Does Aphro weak cast load on to the shield?

[hearty elbow]

It's not the same cast, it's Passion Flare, which is a circular AoE

[limber pine]

not Ares, you want a cast that drops immediately, Ares stay

[unkempt pagoda]

if you're familiar with hera, you load your casts into your shield, then release at the end of a rush

[limber pine]

Aphro cast has a surprisingly big AOE compared to others on it

[unkempt pagoda]

casts with beowulf are redesigned as aoe blasts

[hasty oracle]

It would clean rooms lol

[smoky atlas]

beowulf modifies casts?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[smoky atlas]

does it make dio cloud bigger too

[unkempt pagoda]

nope, dio cast actually remains virtually unchanged

[hearty elbow]

Lol, it better, can you imagine the triggering of having to chase down Zeus casts?

[unkempt pagoda]

as trippy flare (instead of trippy shot), you don't have the lobbing time

[smoky atlas]

hmm now i wanna try art/aphro cast with that shield

[hearty elbow]

Trippy Flare is also available on Hera

[unkempt pagoda]

(this is also why it was changed to trippy flare for hera)

[smoky atlas]

makes sense

[hasty oracle]

It feels like throwing a spartan shield lol

[reef galleon]

How do you guys do dash uppers on controller?

[polar vale]

wdym? it's basically dash-special

[reef galleon]

I don't even attempt to try them with standard layout

Seems extremely unintuitive

[robust anchor]

my dash is on left trigger lol

left hand for movement right for smack and shoot

[hasty oracle]

I use a PS4 controller so it's x and then triangle for me lol

[reef galleon]

@robust anchor That's how it really should be, I think. I was really worked up about all face buttons demanding constant attention

[robust anchor]

yes just remap everything

i do it for like every single game i start

[wheat wadi]

The bow with the hammer that gives you charged special is absolutely bonkers

Dash behind someone and do like 500 damage on tarturus. I just one shot each of hydras heads

[lyric bloom]

Charged special is great yea

If you're not charging it you probably dont need the added range anyway bc it's a point blank shot

[wheat wadi]

Thats rad. I wish I had Artemis' crit chance with this combo

[stable grotto]

Ok so what can i use darkness shards on if i max out everything i want in the mirror?

[wheat wadi]

Wretched broker trades or add a rank to everything for achievement?

[elder lava]

Starts run with gauntlets, room 1 epic lightning strike, room 2 rare static discharge, room 3 hammer with 900% damage to armour dash strike

This gone be good

What should I be looking for to take this over the top

[stable grotto]

busting armor is so underrated

[elder lava]

Yeah I really like the armour busting choices

[stable grotto]

@elder lava Uhhy Dio hangover for attack?

i never pass up adding hangover to attack for fists

[random light]

i'm gonna try out Achilles spear

which Olympians should I force

and what hammers

[elder lava]

Can hangover and thunder strike coexist?? Id need to change right?

[stable grotto]

oh thats your attack?

[elder lava]

Artemis aid or pressure points hmm

[limber pine]

you need a ton of Darkness to unlock ||vanity||, like ||325k||worth

[stable grotto]

TBH I've never see Zues boons for attack/special

[elder lava]

Yeah that's my attack, for endless chain lightning

[stable grotto]

nvm dont go dio

OH

Get the aries buff that applies to all damage

or

WAIT A MINUTE

ART SUPPORT FIRE

[elder lava]

What's that

[stable grotto]

Support Fire is whenever you land an attack/special/cast arrows come out and deal damage to the enemy

[elder lava]

Ahhh

Yeah that's really good

[random light]

it's excellent with rapid fire on hit builds

[stable grotto]

not sure if it procs on chain lightning but it works great with fists

[elder lava]

Lemme check the prerequisites

[random light]

ESPECIALLY fists and rail

[elder lava]

That might make my choice here for me

[stable grotto]

Also Zeus Shield

[elder lava]

My current cloves are, true shot, Artemis aid and pressure points

[random light]

Honestly you can't go wrong with Artemis boons 90% of the time

Take Pressure Points

Pressure Points is ALWAYS good

[elder lava]

That's what I was leaning towards

[random light]

Pressure Points is strong on literally every build

[elder lava]

Even though 3% sounds low to me lol

[rocky trail]

how do i do spoilers

[random light]

Poms bump it up by 1%

and it builds up fast

[stable grotto]

Ok why is pressure points good when its only 3%

thats super low

[random light]

On weapons that attack a bunch, specifically fists and rail you have a lot of opportunities to proc it

and like I said, it scales nicely with poms

[elder lava]

Pressure points is prereq for support fire, my choice is made lol

[random light]

and it applies to all damage instances

so if you have lightning strike, hangover, anything like that, that's even MORE chances to crit

[limber pine]

PP is always the correct Boon to take

[random light]

i wouldn't prioritize it on, say, Shield, unless you have another Artemis boon that grants crit as well

but like 95% of the time, PP is a strong choice

[rocky trail]

i still havent gotten the spear aspect

unlocked 5 aspects, beat final bosswice

OOPS spoiler

:S

[random light]

Aspect requirements are pinned somehwere

Spoilers are done with these ||

so do that on both sides of text

[rocky trail]

i havent even gotten the respec for hte mirror

do i really need to talk with achilles and nyx 15 timeS?

[random light]

if that's the requirement, then yeah probs

[magic dagger]

basically just ||spoiler||

[random light]

if it's any consolation, the Hidden Aspect for Spear is pretty strong, pretty fun, and really cool

[unique crystal]

PP is always the correct Boon to take
Hehe pp

[hasty oracle]

Support fire is amazing with rail

[magic dagger]

PP is not always the correct boon to take
there are often better boons

[marsh dawn]

Does doom have a max stack?

[elder lava]

Jesus everything is melting

Crits at 5% so far

I need to find support fire

[magic dagger]

not really
it's only limited by your ability to hit stuff before doom procs

[marsh dawn]

So if I’m running Chiron with doom special and stacking, I could theoretically apply doom for every arrow?

Or does it have a hidden cool down like Zeus special?

[elder lava]

That's what I did @marsh dawn

And it is strong

[stable grotto]

also is there a finite amount of abrosia/titans blood/diamonds?

[elder lava]

In the opinion of a Noob lol

[hearty elbow]

@stable grotto No

[stable grotto]

im scared of trading ambrosia for titan blood as im afraid im gonna run out

[hearty elbow]

You can always get more

[elder lava]

Chiron + doom on special + the +4 arrows on special

[hearty elbow]

There is a finite amount of deterministic bounty rewards, yeah

But you can always trade

[elder lava]

So you get like 8+ doom stacks in an instant

[marsh dawn]

Sounds fun

[elder lava]

My Chiron isn't fully leveled so I dunno how many arrows you get back

[unkempt pagoda]

the max is 7

[marsh dawn]

My two hell mode escapes are with Chiron and +4

[elder lava]

So you could get 11 doom stacks

Maybe more depending on how long before it drops

[unkempt pagoda]

with impending doom, you could potentially get more

[empty veldt]

is doom the best boon on chiron?

[marsh dawn]

Probably since Zues has a cooldown.

I do like Artemis though.

[hearty elbow]

Dio, Demeter, Artemis all have their advantages

[elder lava]

Damn, to change to adamant arrowhead to try and get support fire, or to claim my gold from chthonic purse

[gritty bronze]

lemme get uh

an overpowered build

for someone who's trying to beat the game

[unkempt pagoda]

i always take demeter on chiron

[gritty bronze]

pls

[marsh dawn]

Demeter is always good

[hearty elbow]

Dio has extremely easy application of the hangover duos, and doom/weak slots really well onto attack with Chiron.

[prime crown]

Chiron and Dio got me my first clear too. Its good because I think playing it safe(r) is really good for learning how the final boss works

[empty veldt]

Does merciful end work on Chiron? the way that it works with chaos shield?

[elder lava]

Can eurydice up boons to heroic?

[empty veldt]

yes

[elder lava]

Ah ok then

Can't swear :)

But yeah it's a tough choice, I have 4 boons exactly so I could pom them all or risk to get 2 heroics

[magic dagger]

You brought swears from the bowels of hell.
this is not their place.

also, always gamble!

[elder lava]

Lol

[magic dagger]

totally worth

[elder lava]

Though I dunno how strong the rarity up is compared to the level

Ofc it's stronger

Hit 1 epic > legendary and one rare to epic, good enough for me

[magic dagger]

epic -> heroic

legendary boons are their own thing

[marsh dawn]

I believe rarity is always better than a level due to how they scale. Of course if you need to level more than two it’s a gamble.

[lyric bloom]

Legendary boons are unique and can't have the normal rankings

[elder lava]

Sorry I meant epic to heroic

Typo / brain fart

[marsh dawn]

With dark thirst, hell mode, and dark regeneration, does a 12 darkness room heal for 5?

[hearty elbow]

"10" with the Contractor bonus

[marsh dawn]

I must not have that bonus, because dark regen would be 100% worth with that.

Ohh the +5 max health you mean

Yes yes

[elder lava]

Dionysus is hangover right?

[random light]

Yes

[elder lava]

I think the hangover dash could be nice right now for 2 curses

[tidal hawk]

Dude

I'm so mad

I found the worst counter synergy in the game

[elder lava]

But currently this build is wrecking face

[tidal hawk]

Hazarb bomb with aspect of eirs

eris*

Now I cant bomb myself

[elder lava]

Granted I'm only in hell 1 🤣

[hearty elbow]

I think the hangover dash could be nice right now for 2 curses
@elder lava Every dash has the opportunity cost of not being Divine Dash

[tidal hawk]

because it hurts me

[hearty elbow]

Drunken in particular is very annoying because it spawns where you started, not where you land

[lyric bloom]

Just dont get hit by it, easy

[marsh dawn]

Divine dash is too good

[elder lava]

Lol it's true @hearty elbow , the problem is that I am strictly using dash strike and strike

I need a way to get a second chest

Curse*

[tidal hawk]

Yeah but eris gives me damage boost when I hit myself with specials

[lyric bloom]

Also maybe a deflect could negate the damage from the explosion and you get the bonus still

[tidal hawk]

So i lose damage

[pallid dagger]

Me with Divine Dash: hello Asphodel Witch Coven have you met oblivion?

[hearty elbow]

Don't get me wrong, Hunter Dash is phenomenal on Stygius and Coronacht

[lyric bloom]

Deflect dash specifically might negate the self damage, but I havent tested it myself

[marsh dawn]

Why did you take the self damage hammer if you’re using Eris?

[hearty elbow]

But even in those situations Divine Dash is better lol

[elder lava]

Divine dash does seem like easily the best it's true

If I get hangover strike it will replace lighting strike right?

[pallid dagger]

I have so much aggression against those bullet hell freaks.
It feels good to give them a swift taste of their own b/s.

[tidal hawk]

Wait guys

what is going on

[elder lava]

I guess maybe I need to add special to my rotation?

[tidal hawk]

Why is there redacted shockwaves in the 3rd boss

??????????

[elder lava]

Currently I'm just holding attack and pressing dash every so often lol

[pallid dagger]

3rd boss? you mean theseus and bros?

[tidal hawk]

yeah

Why are redacted waves there

???????

[pallid dagger]

..................no idea. the big green ones, right?

[tidal hawk]

Yeah

[main osprey]

It's another attack that they have

[marsh dawn]

Are you sure it’s not the pulses from Mino?

[main osprey]

It is visually similar to redacted, yes

[wintry lodge]

it's a tag team attack isn't it?

[pallid dagger]

I'm struggling as ever to use Ares.
Anyone know any good weapon/boon builds for him that don't just revolve around Hunting Blades/Vicious Cycle?

[marsh dawn]

Chiron/Fists

[empty veldt]

@pallid dagger https://www.twitch.tv/videos/751374904 with shields with Merciful End duo boon

Chiron/Fists
@marsh dawn So Merciful End works with Chiron as well then?

[rocky trail]

ive died twice in elysium now cause i didnt get any duo boons :S

so weak

[lyric bloom]

The ares athena duo looks like it would be good for a doom build but I hate using doom

[marsh dawn]

I think so, but I haven’t personally had that duo on Chiron. @empty veldt

[hearty elbow]

ive died twice in elysium now cause i didnt get any duo boons :S
@rocky trail That most certainly can't be the only reason lol

[rocky trail]

sure it is i can reliably escape

[hearty elbow]

Duos aren't meant to be reliable

[rocky trail]

but if i try hard to get duos i will be weaker

[marsh dawn]

Out of 25 or so escapes, I had duo boons maybe five times.

[rocky trail]

thats terrible 😦

[tidal hawk]

I never get duos and win

you just need more practice on 3rd floor

[hearty elbow]

It depends on in you have Gods Legacy and the build you're running

[crimson patrol]

wew anyone uses the gilgamesh twin fist?

[hearty elbow]

Some builds just don't really have duos lol

[rocky trail]

lol

i can easily win

but if im TRYING to get duos

i will go for gods i dont like

[elder lava]

Interesting, how does concentrated knuckle work if you are attacking multiple enemies

[marsh dawn]

Like my last run. Chased Divine Dash. Got to redacted with 6 Athena boons and the standard dash.

[rocky trail]

to get their duo

[pallid dagger]

Duos sure are reliable on times when you aren't trying to get them

somehow

[rocky trail]

and then i lose, cause i didnt pick the gods i wanted, i picked the duos i wanted

[median oar]

is there somewhere I can find a guide on how to unlock the fourth rail

or can someone just tell me here I have unlocked literally everything else

[marsh dawn]

Pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion

[median oar]

on it, thank

[crimson patrol]

https://youtu.be/e-scD-vroiM

I made this video about the gilgamesh twin fist

[pallid dagger]

Twin Fists has an aspect? why haven't i heard about this

[empty veldt]

@crimson patrol i think that's not allowed cause spoilers for last boss

[pallid dagger]

how do you get it?

[crimson patrol]

this is in build page

how do you dicuss a build without spoiler what it is ....

[marsh dawn]

What boons do you guys go for on Hades/Achilles spear?

[main osprey]

Spoilers are okay in this channel, though we tend to be courteous

[crimson patrol]

anyway the twin fist can do super fash dash attack at insane speed

[rocky trail]

why cant i reset my mirror of nyx?

ive beaten the game like 7 times now

[tidal hawk]

arm hurts from playing too much hades

I need help

[crimson patrol]

so if you go for the on hit effect route it will be super effective even though you dont have damage on attack

[main osprey]

@rocky trail I think there should be a button at the bottom of the mirror

[rocky trail]

there isnt

[crimson patrol]

if you have damage on attack you can just attack. if you have damage on special you can special

[main osprey]

Huh

I'd that Gnubbish