Yeah it's amazing
#h1-builds-and-combat
hearty elbow
proven sierra
I get it EVERY TIME I can
hearty elbow
Makes the slow stronger and makes the size the field a bit smaller than the screen.
It makes it a lot easier to maneuver and kite
proven sierra
OK
my incredibly fun fourth-aspect Twin Fists build
https://imgur.com/a/bsnhFfh <- um this is an album
there are two pics
hearty elbow
#h1-victory-boasting heads up š
robust anchor
ares is such a bro
proven sierra
I used to hate Ares and Zeus boons
and then i realized that it's just that for them to really shine, you need a few from them to synergize
as one-offs, š
as builds... 
hard holly
Eh, Zeus attack as a one-of is pretty sick on like, Rail and flurry hammers
proven sierra
That's true, but even then it gets so much better when combined with other Zeus abilities
ember ermine
Last run i had the ares dash with the blades in a bigger area, lasting longer, doing more damage and pulling enemies in
And also extra dashes from hermes
ember ermine
Also, for artemis is just crit rate on attack a good one to go for with excalibur
And also what aphrodite ones are good iāve like never used hers
ebon tinsel
is support fire decent? its like a single target zeus attack right? i ask because i dont see many people talk about it, im terrible w gun and fist but i tend to go for it on those weapons
bleak thistle
whats a good build for the shield?
primal cape
Support fire is brilliant with the same type of weapons that use zeus/dio
proven sierra
for me, with excalibur, it hits so hard i don't want to go for artemis' modest attack bonus, the crit rate is too low and the attack is too slow. i want a BIG % boost from Athena/Aphrodite
primal cape
but it's fair on everything else
proven sierra
i prefer Artemis' attack on quick-attack weapons like fists and rail
hard holly
Support Fire is good on fast-attacking weapons, yeah
Its basically a second Zeus attack
Which is sick
ebon tinsel
thanks for the info
primal cape
I feel exactly the opposite for artemis on excal, because when it does crit it hits for near 1.5k
proven sierra
That's true
hard holly
I prefer Artemis attack
ebon tinsel
how does it hold up on higher heat levels ive only been to around 10?
hard holly
Because youll get a lot of % anyway from hammers or chaos boons or the like
primal cape
It will still be excellent if you're using it on rail & fists
hard holly
And % boons are additive, so you dont get much out of it
Crit however is multiplicative
ebon tinsel
well thats good to hear thanks for the info guys
proven sierra
From my perspective, if you can get +100% on it, though, especially if you can also get a Chaos bonus to attack, you'll kill most things in a few hits anyway, crit or no
ember ermine
Oh i just got āclean killā that one seems good
left wolf
the long animation of those swings mean you are more likely to get chipped down hp-wise
primal cape
Yeah I also try to get attack speed hermes to make up for it
left wolf
thats one way to solve it but its very unreliable.
proven sierra
my favorite Excal is attack speed + and athena swipe
athena + holy aura + brilliant riposte is so so good fun
esp. if you can get calculated risk 
ebon tinsel
you can dash during the swing wind up
i find learning how to do that helps with excal
marsh dawn
How much darkness does bouldy usually drop? Thinking about switching to dark regen.
hearty elbow
Dark regen is just better in general if that helps
Especially once you have upgraded Infernal Troves
bleak thistle
whats the best mirror stats?
hearty elbow
And super especially if you're doing a run on a finished bounty heat
marsh dawn
I donāt usually get darkness though.
hard holly
I played with dark regen once to get the prophecy done
It felt so much worse
Than the regular one
hearty elbow
Darkness rooms don't matter, even with Dark Regen you dodge those lol
proven sierra
flyinx: once you start re-attempting heats you will, plus infernal troves. PLUS, you have a winning ratio at Wells of Charon if you ever get both 1) the option to buy money for blood AND 2) the ability to buy darkness
marsh dawn
Iām just wondering how much Bouldy usually drops since Iām doing bounties pretty much every run.
hearty elbow
It's super random
There's a number out there somewhere but it's probably not much lol
marsh dawn
Okay. I donāt have him yet, but I was considering focusing on it.
left wolf
bouldy is good for when you need a small burst dps and some hp
ebon tinsel
isnt there an arguement for cthonic vitality and high confidence
left wolf
darkness and gold are just added bonus
ebon tinsel
argument*
proven sierra
bouldy is also good because he's one of just two??? summons that work during ||REDACTED||
hollow coral
excalibur hits like a tank but seems to suck any ideas on the boons to make it good?
hearty elbow
High Confidence is well named. If you're picking it, you're speed running.
If you think you'll get hit even once it's worthless
proven sierra
i think i have more success rates with excalibur than any other aspect
ebon tinsel
lol good point
hollow coral
i had 3 defiance going into final boss and lost them all
what you use with excalibur
ebon tinsel
oh yeah 50 additive isnt much
hollow coral
posideon blade seems way more consisten
marsh dawn
Are all bonuses additive?
hearty elbow
Don't always go for the triple strike on Excalibur. In stressful situations, don't forget you can always just Dash-STrike > Strike, which stun locks super well and is reasonably fast
It's your best burst option
proven sierra
use the special ALL THE TIME. if you keep getting hit, consider stacking it with the two Dinoysus damage reduction effects (and/or Athena's and/or Aphrodite's). dash between each of the three big swings to stay mobile.
proven sierra
yeah - you want to get that third swing out - it hits REALLY HARD - but swinging three in a row makes you really vulnerable. gotta dash.
hollow coral
yeah but it is so slow
hearty elbow
Greater Consecration is your friend. Damage hammers are kind of just overkill on Excalibur lol
proven sierra
if you dash, you'll be safer
also consider prioritizing the Hermes attack speed boon
hollow coral
yeah i had that, i got to final boss but it just was so inconsistent
onyx parcel
THE SWORD IS SO BAD
hearty elbow
It's not THAT slow. It's just pretty slow and kinda committal. It's kinda like playing bow close range
onyx parcel
DEAR LORD
proven sierra
have you tried getting gud, my friend? 
hollow coral
bow close range with the cast aspect is pretty damn god though
marsh dawn
No weapons are bad. You just havenāt fingered it out yet.
ebon tinsel
arthur is op im so confused why is everyone saying its bad XD
marsh dawn
Fingered it out. Nice
hollow coral
final form malphon should be amazing but everytime i try it it just seems painful to use even with the super high damage
ember ermine
Excalibur is so satisfying to use
proven sierra
@ebon tinsel i think it is less mash-happy-able than other builds, you gotta be a bit more intentional with your timing. bit of a learning curve
hearty elbow
Bow close range is very good in general. Pretty similar mentality to Excalibur though. You have to be pretty cognizant of enemy's positioning and animations
robust anchor
big chunky sword
proven sierra
@hollow coral idk it's maybe my #2 or #3 aspect so far. this is the build i ran on it to great success last night: https://imgur.com/a/bsnhFfh (two pics if u click the link) - TIPS: you gotta DASH. you gotta use the special.
ember ermine
Also artemis crit question. Is the crit applied per attack or per hit on an enemy. Like will every enemy in the same sword swing take crit damage or just one
ebon tinsel
suppose you have a point there you cant just spam on it
hollow coral
course it depends what bow you use
hearty elbow
Per hit
robust anchor
i love slow fat number weapons
marsh dawn
Rama has entered the chat
ebon tinsel
i wish beo was slow and fat
hearty elbow
Lol, Rama is barely slow anymore
hollow coral
yeah special on gilgamesh gloves was so ahrd to sue
marsh dawn
It is with the right hammer upgrades
hollow coral
hard to use*
proven sierra
just takes some learnin
hearty elbow
Though people will be stubborn and insist that they MUST POWER SHOT EVERY TIME GRAHHHH
hard holly
BECAUSE THOU MUST
marsh dawn
Iām sorry if I like my power shot to hit for 3k
hard holly
TO PLAY BOW IS TO POWERSHOT
hollow coral
i am surprised how effing hard the game gets with higher heats
turbid needle
yeah rama got so much faster
hollow coral
like anything past ten if you arent a god gamer will try your patience
hard holly
Its good, just ignore the dash-upper until it gets an update
hollow coral
best fist is first one imo
hard holly
Or change the files yourself
hearty elbow
You can just play a whole bunch and practice "right" and it gets a lot more approachable
marsh dawn
Magnet fist is bae
hearty elbow
Like at this point I find 32 to be chill.
hollow coral
what do you run for 32 heat?
hearty elbow
Anything
hollow coral
that sounds so horrible
turbid needle
its kinda the spirit of rouge likes to be hard until you learn them a bit
hearty elbow
32 is my zen happy place "i have to try but not kill myself" heat
hollow coral
how do you deal with say the hydra and magma etc
hearty elbow
You die until you die less?
turbid needle
you just learn the patterns
hearty elbow
Everything is answerable, it's just a matter of learning through iteration
marsh dawn
This is the way.
proven sierra
Its good, just ignore the dash-upper until it gets an update
@hard holly disagree with this! just... don't spam it. dash-upper ONCE, and then spend the next ~10-15 seconds dash striking. then, when maim expires, dash-upper again. even if the buff is minimal, there's no downside to using it. and it is still a buff.
hard holly
There is a big downside to using it
hearty elbow
EM10 SGG pls
hard holly
The enemy hits harder
marsh dawn
Without EM4, the bosses feel pretty samey.
ebon tinsel
lmao em10 lets go
proven sierra
yeah but that's why you dash š
hard holly
Also dash-striking is inefficient damage-wise on gilgamesh, you want to get those meaty regular hits
marsh dawn
Would be nice if there was a random heat mode. Go into the attempt without knowing the modifiers.
hard holly
Even then its more efficient to just keep hitting with regular attacks with dashstrike resets inbetween
Rather than using Maim and risk getting blown up by Hades
hearty elbow
EM10: During the head spawn phases, Lernie summons more main heads. Only White Lernies spawn.
proven sierra
Also dash-striking is inefficient damage-wise on gilgamesh, you want to get those meaty regular hits
@hard holly not if you have a beefy dash upgrade like buffed Ares dash or Poseidon dash
hard holly
If it were multiplicative, yes, itd be good
ebon tinsel
gilgah has like 20 damage dash strike which is bad
proven sierra
also, yeah, it's less beefy than a regular hit... but you're also less vulnerable!!
that's the whole cost/benefit thing
hit for less damage, dodge more attacks
it's a tradeoff
hard holly
True, but you can fairly reliably avoid the big hits even while going for the regular attacks
Just make sure to not get screwed by hitstop
And avoid Maim because its bad right now
proven sierra
sure. idk man i (at just 9 heat) beat Hades in 20 minutes dying just once the entire time and i was maiming and dashing constantly
you can tell me my super fun and successful build isn't viable if you are min-maxing i guess
but it was super fun and viable
lol
hard holly
Im more talking generally
Mostly because I want them to make it multiplicative
So I dont have to keep replacing the files every time it updates
hard holly
Also if you try EM4 with Maim youre gonna be in for a bad time
onyx parcel
Least fun weapon in the game
hearty elbow
People focus too much on "viable." Anyone who's asking the question probably has enough to improve that the answer is "yes, you just have to learn how to do it"
proven sierra
SauCe, have you tried ||getting gud lolololol ||
onyx parcel
šæ
proven sierra
cant believe this needs said but "it depends"
hearty elbow
Shield is so yawn
proven sierra
i often hate the rail. pair the rail with poseidon smashes and/or support fire? I LOVE IT
covert hatch
I love that everyone has a different answer for that question
proven sierra
i hate the bow. least favorite weapon. had one of my favorite runs yesterday with it
hexed leaf
Can anyone tell me their thoughts on Malphon zagreus aspect? The dodge chance one.
hard holly
But yeah, pls make Maim multiplicative SGG
ebon tinsel
bow is chad
hard holly
Also Beowulf
ebon tinsel
buff beowulf pls
hearty elbow
Can anyone tell me their thoughts on Malphon zagreus aspect? The dodge chance one.
@hexed leaf All fist aspects are vaguely equally good. Maybe not the last one. Hard to tell so early.
hard holly
I just want to have a Beowulf option for all-in bullrushing
proven sierra
dom scroll up, unovven and i just had a chat about it
hard holly
Rather than relying on casts
Oh no he is talking about the Zag one
I havent played the Zag one
hard holly
10% dodge chance is kinda meh when Im usually rolling with 50% dodge chance anyway
hexed leaf
Oh? Aspect of Enkidu isn't good?? Darn that is why I wanted to invest in the Zagreus aspect.
proven sierra
pair that with the lambent plume, one of my favorite simplest builds
hearty elbow
I don't think it's as good as any of the other 3 though
Which is fine, all the fist aspects are great
hard holly
Hm
I think its better than Zag
But again
Im already rolling with 50% dodge chance inherently
An extra 5% aint all that relevant
hearty elbow
Even if Dodge was additive... that's the exact opposite of true
hexed leaf
Well that is quite disappointing.
hearty elbow
Each subsequent point of dodge (additive) you get is worth more than the last
hexed leaf
hearty elbow
E.g. at 50% dodge, 5% dodge would prevent 10% of attacks that would have hit you.
hard holly
Well yes
Hence why I said 5% instead of 10%
It prevents an extra 5% of all attacks from hitting you
Which is kinda eh
hearty elbow
? No, it would prevent an extra 10% of all attacks from hitting you lol.
Which is insane
hard holly
Wait Im confused
If you get 50% dodge chance
Then 10% dodge chance prevents 10% of the remaining 50%
Aka 5%
It gets worth less since its multiplicative
onyx parcel
HOLYYYY
Youāve got to be a maniac to unironically enjoy sword
This is an objectively not fun and bad weapon
This weapon is so ass
hearty elbow
Right, it's multiplicative. I assumed you were going with Dodge being additive because how the hell else are you getting 50% lol
ebon tinsel
sword gang where u at
hard holly
Ruthless Reflexes
mighty ermine
lmaooo
hard holly
50% every time you dodge just in time
hearty elbow
Nemesis is definitely conversation for best aspect in the game
wanton cargo
sword is so fun what
hard holly
But I guess not everyone runs Ruthless Reflexes
jaunty solar
sword is never bad
onyx parcel
Sword is so bad
jaunty solar
its just nemesis and arthur is too good
ebon tinsel
even pos sword is cool
mighty ermine
sword ranges from fine to extremely good depending on the aspect or combo rotation
ebon tinsel
sword does it all
mighty ermine
it's not bad
hearty elbow
Sword ranges from extremely good to Zagreus Aspect.
jaunty solar
also buff beowulf please
wanton cargo
even vanilla sword is versatile
wanton cargo
long stabby stab, sustain damage, and an aoe, sword is great
jaunty solar
yes
ebon tinsel
sword can cast: pos sword can crit: nemesis sword can loose: zag literally does it all
hearty elbow
lmao
onyx parcel
I hate it here
wanton cargo
then leave
jaunty solar
zagreus is worthless but sword is solid early game nonetheless
zag sword is really worthless
onyx parcel
I need a good sword build
proven sierra
truly, TRULY, there are no "bad" weapons my friend
proven sierra
you just need to adjust your playstyle, your mirror talents, or your build
mighty ermine
nemesis with literally anything
onyx parcel
And never touch this cursed weapon again
jaunty solar
just run nemesis with artemis lmao
trail otter
Hearing all these sword hates hurts my soul
trail otter
Some good zag sword action is my jam
onyx parcel
I donāt wanna spend blood on sword
wanton cargo
literally everything works well with sword
trail otter
Hate how they neerfd it -_-
wanton cargo
all the daedalus sword upgrades are stupid good
ebon tinsel
or nemesis zagless, just throw the sword at the boss and youll win
solid obsidian
Hi guys, are there any builds that work with Chaos's Shield?
proven sierra
there are good builds for everything lol
ember ermine
I got a boon thatās āyour god gauge charges up faster when you deal critical damage: faster gauge gain on critical: 0.35%ā
Am i missing something or is this completely worthless
onyx parcel
Why are yāall saying itās good
Itās so clunky to play
I can never make this shi work I swear
mighty ermine
if you rely on only doing full attack combos sure it's clunky
wanton cargo
you click and it does damage in like a 180 degree zone in front of you
like
how is that bad
and it does big chonk damage too
ebon tinsel
on the topic of chaos shield is doom still the way to go or can you make an aphro shotgun build?
jaunty solar
@onyx parcel you need to dash attack between hits otherwise it will be really clunky
you NEED to use dash attacks for sword not to be clunky
how is chaos doom build good tell me the theory
i just do zeus doom with merciful end
ebon tinsel
chaos doom used to be good cuz it hit everything and bounced right?
jaunty solar
oh the bounce as aoe
i dont play high heat so aoe is worthless to me
zeus with doom and merciful end literally shreds bosses without mercy
silk anvil
jaunty solar
here is me using the build against hades
silk anvil
@hades devs, help me with the decay factor of lightning
solid obsidian
never tried blocking myself lol
serene phoenix
shadow presence or fiery presence for ka?
silk anvil
Y=a(1-b)^x
I may be applying the decay factor a bit incorrectly, but my mind is currently struggling with the concept of how to encapsulate decay-per-bounce rather than per-time
onyx parcel
Iām dashing a lot on sword
Still doesnāt do shi
How do I play sword man??? I just need it for the stupid prophecy
silk anvil
But let the record show that if you're able to hit 8 times and get 4 lightning bounces for each hit in 1.1 seconds with common lightning fists, your effective overal damage is about the same value you get from Heroic Ares doom + stacking doom.
GG
static crest
Can someone explain aspect of lucifer? Every time I tried it, it has been nearly useless and thoroughly unpleasant.
onyx parcel
What a stupid weapon
solid obsidian
Have you tried poseidon on sword?
serene phoenix
should I run shadow presence or fiery presence on ka?
silk anvil
Zeus > Ares. Ares stacking doom is lame and needs to be buffed.
worldly trellis
I just did a zag sword clear on 5 heat, its not so bad
mighty ermine
sword bread n butter is dash-strike spam into special, rinse repeat
solid obsidian
I do shadow all the time
worldly trellis
Just be sure to move constantly
mighty ermine
for non-arthur, that is
solid obsidian
more overall dps with shadow
serene phoenix
I was thinking with ka cleaves it might be better to go fiery to 1 shot certain mobs
but yeah you're right
solid obsidian
i usually go with like attack builds with shadow but if it's like with the railgun special i might take fiery
serene phoenix
also what do you think of high confidence
kind cloud
zeus with doom and merciful end literally shreds bosses without mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwmyeE-fzM0
@jaunty solar
yep.
But i honestly don't understand why it's so good. merciful doom is supposed to do 40 damage now (used to be 50). but it's somehow doing like 2k damage. i don't get it. but i'm not complaining.
solid obsidian
Never tried high confidence, always prefered more survivability
robust anchor
whats an aspect that doesnāt really care what boons you get
cunning urchin
Any aspect if you're good.
jaunty solar
@kind cloud i have impending doom there
mighty ermine
@kind cloud merciful end's gimmick is that the damage displayed on the duo itself is extra damage from activating the doom early with something that can deflect
robust anchor
i see
kind cloud
whats an aspect that doesnāt really care what boons you get
@robust anchor
zeus shield (aka semi-autonomous rotating turret). the special works with everything.
mighty ermine
but the instant activation allows for all the other normal doom damage to come through as well
jaunty solar
impending doom with dire misfortune in fact
mighty ermine
including impending and dire boosts, yeah
jaunty solar
also zeus shield with athena deflect on special is really good for having two shields blocking everything coming at you lmao
kind cloud
@kind cloud i have impending doom there
@jaunty solar
Sure but even then...epic impending doom does like around 90% on top of regular doom after delay.
@kind cloud merciful end's gimmick is that the damage displayed on the duo itself is extra damage from activating the doom early with something that can deflect
@mighty ermine
Yeah, I know that. But still doesn't explain the 2kish damage it's doing over a few seconds.
mighty ermine
why doesn't it? doom is being activated instantly constantly because of zeus special
it makes sense to me
kind cloud
zeus shield triggers doom at every hit
@jaunty solar
Ah, i see.
ebon tinsel
spear point or acorn for em4?
dry ember
Either
jaunty solar
collar for every final fight ever
dry ember
I prefer acorn due to force of habit
kind cloud
btw, speaking of zeus shield...i recommend trying out poseidon special with razor shoals plus poseidon/zeus duo boon sea storm. get empowering flight hammer upgrade for special.
Get a curse attack (athena/demeter/dio) on attack and charged shot hammer upgrade.
Those 2 hammers synergize REALLY WELL.
And charged shot's attack goes through shields!
Deploy shield. stand behind it and act like a sniper.
it's beautiful.
jaunty solar
i literally just take collar to every final fight
silk anvil
Even with a decay factor of 0.9, if you manage to get 8 hits in the span of 1.1 seconds, which should be quite doable, you're able to put out 226.837 to Ares' 235.
Consider the fact that both of these numbers come from heroic boons, and ares needs two heroic numbers to reach that value, I think zues' value really outshines em
jaunty solar
it serves me well
mighty ermine
collar is much less effective health than acorn, really
silk anvil
of course at the point I need to figure out exactly how many punches can be landed within the span of 1.1 seconds
jaunty solar
i havent leveled acorn and cant be bothered
mighty ermine
unless you were to take five hits that only do 10 damage, which would be... unlikely with hades
jaunty solar
i take collar cuz it also means extra health gained by death defiance
silk anvil
unless you were to take five hits that only do 10 damage, which would be... unlikely with hades
@mighty ermine
Is acorn less effective health than spearpoint?
kind cloud
i literally just take collar to every final fight
@jaunty solar
i used to.
but you have to realize that it gives only 50 health.
max acorn stops 5 hits. even if we assume hades does only 30 per hit...it negates 150 points of damage.
150>50.
jaunty solar
dont think of it as 50 health only
proven sierra
collar is not very good imho
jaunty solar
think of it as extra hp gained every defiance
kind cloud
dont think of it as 50 health only
@jaunty solar
i know...death defiances, right?
hearty elbow
Lol I miss those
mighty ermine
@silk anvil depends on how well you can avoid being hit in succession
hearty elbow
Though real talk Stubborn Defiance is a LOT better than Death Defiance, and a lot more abusable
jaunty solar
i mean
kind cloud
@jaunty solar
back when players could get like 7-10 death defiances, collar made sense.
jaunty solar
if ur in high heat yea @hearty elbow
silk anvil
@silk anvil depends on how well you can avoid being hit in succession
@mighty ermine
What I'm hearing is that with spearpoint, my EHP can technically go to infinity
kind cloud
now...not so much.
proven sierra
Though real talk Stubborn Defiance is a LOT better than Death Defiance, and a lot more abusable
@hearty elbow ummmmmmmmmmmmm strongly disagree
silk anvil
check m8
kind cloud
because if you're playing with HL...acorn negates like 300 points of damage.
proven sierra
i often use 2+ death defiances per-successful Hades clear
jaunty solar
@kind cloud i cant be bothered with leveling keepsakes when i keep forcing builds with god keepsakes
tidal hawk
I have just lost the game
kind cloud
lol...you should level them up...
hearty elbow
It's a really different playstyle, to be fair, but Stubborn lets you make a whole lot more mistakes in a run than DD does.
mighty ermine
at high heat SD is miles better than DD
silk anvil
@kind cloud i cant be bothered with leveling keepsakes when i keep forcing builds with god keepsakes
@jaunty solar
Just do 0 level runs and grind em out of the way
tidal hawk
because I went greed mode
kind cloud
@jaunty solar
Just do 0 level runs and grind em out of the way
@silk anvil
yep
proven sierra
@kind cloud i cant be bothered with leveling keepsakes when i keep forcing builds with god keepsakes
@jaunty solar forcing builds w/ god keepsakes is less efficient than you think, because you might be trying to force a build BUT you get the God you want only once due to your keepsake and now you've wasted a keepsake slot that you could have been getting an actual benefit from
high-key best strat there is to not use those until youve already gotten several boons from the god you want (IE asphodel+)
jaunty solar
i dont tryhard hades, i just force builds i wanna play
hearty elbow
Eh, what you're saying is technically true, but you're underselling the effect 1 boon can have though lol
kind cloud
@proven sierra
depends. certain boons can completely make or break a build.
jaunty solar
so forcing builds is my way of having fun
hearty elbow
Owl Pendant, aka Divine Dash, Athena's Aid, or extra DD: the keepsake, says hi
proven sierra
like the plume and butterfly
kind cloud
yep
kind cloud
it all comes down to what play style and build a player is trying to achieve.
jaunty solar
gonna try reversing that build in the video, gonna take athena special with doom attack
and hopefully get double strike daedalus
silk anvil
if you're not rocking hermes plume 24/7, you're wasting away again in margaritaville
kind cloud
gonna try reversing that build in the video, gonna take athena special with doom attack
@jaunty solar
This is how i usually get merciful doom especially on zeus shield. ares attack and athena deflect.
proven sierra
like IMHO plume and butterfly are only worth it if you rock them your entire escape attempt
kind cloud
yep
jaunty solar
yea
silk anvil
like IMHO plume and butterfly are only worth it if you rock them your entire escape attempt
@proven sierra this is correct; and also because butterfly becomes dang near impossible in zone 2+, because you will inevitably always take a bit of cheeky damage
jaunty solar
mini hydras
are fun xDDDDDDD
also armor making enemies unstunlockable and forcing me to actually be good at the game
silk anvil
That feel when flawless room and last enemy pulls some super pro level stuff just to nick your hair
proven sierra
i always underestimate the bloodless
and sometimes get myself stunlocked and take SO MANY HITS
silk anvil
@proven sierra the bloodless are the blue boxing fools, right?; they're a force to be reckoned with
hearty elbow
Rakers don't play
proven sierra
@silk anvil i think the term applies to both them and the yellow guys who shoot pink floor-sliders, but i was primarily thinking of the blue boxers yeah
i think skelly is a bloodless
jaunty solar
is there going to be any more info on skelly after i || kill skelly || ?
hearty elbow
||Skelly was Persephone the whole time||
silk anvil
is there going to be any more info on skelly after i || kill skelly || ?
@jaunty solar
||kill him and find out||
jaunty solar
xD
ember ermine
The aspect of zeus with zeus boons is so much fun
jaunty solar
i really dont feel like investing blood on zag aspect sword tho
unkempt pagoda
i should hope so lol
jaunty solar
its so bad
hearty elbow
That's the meme
unkempt pagoda
thunder flourish's internal cooldown was tuned specifically to zeus shield's attack rate
proven sierra
@jaunty solar get the plume, get the Hermes boon that gives damage bonus based on speed, get Hermes boons that improves speed, and baby you got a stew going
ebon tinsel
feels bad died on 10%hp em4
jaunty solar
The aspect of zeus with zeus boons is so much fun
@ember ermine try putting doom on special with athena attack and merciful end, its also really fun
proven sierra
doom on Zeus special is really smart
hearty elbow
I have a lot of respect for people who play Zeus aspect efficiently
jaunty solar
it also did a LOT of damage
hearty elbow
It's soooooo fricken awkward and you have to think so far in advanced to not waste like 10 seconds repositioning
jaunty solar
nah
you can just use it for a second and recall it
if your clicks are well timed you dont need to care about repositioning
unkempt pagoda
zeus shield is weird for me in that i can never get good results with it but i know exactly how great it could be
jaunty solar
idk chaos shield's own aspect seems worthless to me
hearty elbow
Or at the very least how great Merciful End could be
jaunty solar
if i run it i only run it for chaos to laugh occasionally
mighty ermine
i actually got much better at zeus shield a couple days ago just from practice
ember ermine
What does merciful end do
hearty elbow
I know people are saying it's not that bad... but dang it feels prettttyy bad lol.
(Chaos)
mighty ermine
it's pretty fun but i can't say it handles faster opponents well at all regardless of how you handle it
ember ermine
I just unlocked zeus shield so iām not great at it but itās so fun
worn sand
does the new keepsake ||pom blossom|| stack with the boon ||Sweet Nectar (+1 bonus lvl from poms)|| ?
mighty ermine
high heat tiny vermin with zeus shield is an absolute nightmare
ember ermine
Is merciful end a duo or just a ares boon
proven sierra
merciful end makes the Ares ability that lets multiple stacks of doom add damage useless, right?
proven sierra
also, that boon is useless anyway, right??? it like adds +10 damage per stack, hardly anything
hearty elbow
Not useless but a lot less good yeah
Some aspects can't always trigger deflect at the same exact rate as doom
jaunty solar
merciful end makes the Ares ability that lets multiple stacks of doom add damage useless, right?
@proven sierra on zeus aspect with how often it procs doom it might be worth something
but idk
mighty ermine
@proven sierra that's dire misfortune you're thinking of
jaunty solar
never really tested without, the video above has both dire misfortune and impending doom
hearty elbow
Impending Doom is the sauce with Merciful End though
jaunty solar
yea thats what i ran
mighty ermine
dire misfortune is definitely less underwhelming when paired with impending at least
hearty elbow
I wonder how much they buffed it
unkempt pagoda
does misfortune add damage, which impending increases, or the other way around
hearty elbow
Patch notes just says they did
silk anvil
Hmm; I forgot about zues Shield / spear spin when considering DPS calculations of ares+dire misfirtune
worn sand
anybody know the answer to my question above?
jaunty solar
you can run dire if you cannot find merciful with zeus aspect
mighty ermine
impending increases the extra from dire iirc
jaunty solar
@worn sand quote the question please?
mighty ermine
which is why it's a good pairing
worn sand
does the new keepsake ||pom blossom|| stack with the boon ||Sweet Nectar (+1 bonus lvl from poms)|| ?
hearty elbow
I do not know
unkempt pagoda
oh damn, that's way better than what i thought
hearty elbow
Please discover for us
unkempt pagoda
i just assumed misfortunate just added on top of impending's increase
solid obsidian
Don't think sweet nectar will proc from pom, i think sweet nectar applies only to picked up poms but idk
silk anvil
Idk why they feel the need to specify "after 0.5 seconds" is that purely so people know when to synergize with the instant-doom-pop?
mighty ermine
@worn sand sweet nectar does not affect it
someone tested this a few days ago iirc
solid obsidian
yeah it'd prolly go broken fast af lol
hearty elbow
Getting sweet nectar is a pretty huge cost, and most boons have serious diminishing returns for poms
So it's be great but not broken i think
Though I could easily see using pools of purging to get like level 30 Drunken Flourishes
unkempt pagoda
didn't you see that one attempt with a heroic tidal dash at like lvl. 37
jaunty solar
wait how does pools of purging synergize with leveling boons?
hearty elbow
It synergizes with the random boon upgrade of the keepsake/nectar rooms
solid obsidian
you get rid of the excess boons
so pom upgrade just goes to the boon you want all the time
neon garnet
how viable is a 'tank' build with aspect of arthur sword + damadge mitigation boons
hearty elbow
Depends. HL0 -> Game breakingly broken. HL5 -> Pointless
jaunty solar
HL?
proven sierra
heat level
mighty ermine
hard labor
solid obsidian
@neon garnet you could give it a try mate, with like weak, and other dmg mitig, heck i'll try it when i get on and play
proven sierra
is it YOUR CORE BUILD? all you're getting is DR? bad.
but do you have a good offensive build AND you got 3-4 DR boons? pretty good! you should be using your special all the time anyway
neon garnet
yeha i just fully upgraded it i have been using it as i use normal sword but it poped into my head and thought others may have tried it
jaunty solar
isnt the point of arthur putting your special down and attacking ruthlessly with insane damage swings lmao
unkempt pagoda
basically
hearty elbow
With HL0 you're taking so little damage once you stack Myrmidon Bracer, Aura, Weak, Sturdy, that you don't have to respect mechanics anymore, just swing swing swing
neon garnet
i was using the special more to slow enemys and poke them xD
jaunty solar
also ive said this many times but run artemis attack with arthur aspect
hearty elbow
With HL5, you just spend a billion resources to take normal damage now... so grats?
jaunty solar
its insane
proven sierra
YES eebo
that's what i'm saying
get brilliant riposte. get the artemis/dio duo boon "calculated risk"
unkempt pagoda
deadly strike + shadow slash is all you need on arthur. if you can, get heartbreak flourish to fish for heart rend. get divine dash too for funsies
jaunty solar
you could also run splitting headache with dionysus cast
unkempt pagoda
dio cast doesn't do hangover
jaunty solar
wait really?
hearty elbow
I like Deadly Strike + Double Edge more for consistency
jaunty solar
bruh
proven sierra
dio cast does fog, which stuns
there is an upgrade that makes folks in the fog take more hangover damage tho
jaunty solar
i usually run aphro cast so i mustve forgot
hearty elbow
Black Out. It's a global damage 60% if they're affected by Hangover and standing in Fog
Wiki says 100... I haven't gotten it in 1.0 but I'm pretty sure that's not right.
unkempt pagoda
the point of black out is to make your hangover stronger but it basically works as an additional global boost
proven sierra
ah i thought it was hangover damage only
unkempt pagoda
been trying to get black out eris for a while now
proven sierra
didnt realize if they HAVE hangover in the cloud, they take bonus damage
that's dope
hearty elbow
I cheesed the crap out of 49 Heat with Rama by abusing the Suffering multiplier with Deadly Strike and Black Out
That's a LOT of multpliers
(Black Out isn't multiplicative fwiw but with AP2 the lines blur between the two lol)
unkempt pagoda
why would you not get cast boons while running hera
unkempt pagoda
the only thing hera changes is where your casts get shot from, in this case where the arrow lands
random light
Chiron and Rama Coronacht are pretty fun imo
but weapons are always personal preference
jaunty solar
i like literally every weapon except the two projectile ones lmao
hearty elbow
Seems like a pretty flimsy literally š
hearty elbow
Yeah damage is definitely not a weak point of Bow or Rail
jaunty solar
rail did do alright damage when i turned it into a slug shotgun with daedalus
tidal hawk
heavy knuckle good?
hearty elbow
dece
kind cloud
Yeah damage is definitely not a weak point of Bow or Rail
@hearty elbow
that's kinda too simple, no?
should be better framed/contextualized as damage per unit of time to discharge (or damage x time)
the more damage in less time, the better.
hence, nemesis doesn't do huge damage in base but its abilities when stacked make it ideal for speedrunning.
tidal hawk
Rail does damage with correct setups
kind cloud
absolutely. everything in the game does damage with correct setup.
But the key ancillary consideration for many is time (and not in the sense of tight deadline).
like...trying to do rama's attack is kinda fool's gold.
kind cloud
LEGOKESSSS!!!
covert hatch
I've got Aspect of Lucifer
covert hatch
Demeter on attack
covert hatch
I'm between Concentrated Beam and Piercing Fire at my first hammer
covert hatch
Or Eternal Chamber, but I figure that's probably not good?
kind cloud
i'd opt for concentrated beam (if it is the way i remember it).
/haven't played lucifer since 1.0 released
silk anvil
They're just going easier on you @tidal hawk
(Probably a combination of a bunch of factors)
tidal hawk
Its acorn
lol
Thats it
I'm also getting his less anyway
Even when my acorn ran out asterius or however you spell it only hit me like twice
I also charmed Asterius
And he took 1/5 of Theseus health
in 1 hit
LOL
hearty elbow
Yeah that's about right
silk anvil
I feel like charm doesnt last long enough for charmed enemies to ever attack eachother. They take the whole duration just trying to figure out they're no longer attacking me and should be aiming elsewhere
proven sierra
^ i agree
onyx parcel
World splitter, cruel thrust, or flurry slash?
silk anvil
I only ever have fun trolling dad with it
onyx parcel
Does cruel thrust apply to dash strike?
solid cairn
is ares special still great on chaos shield
jaunty solar
I feel like charm doesnt last long enough for charmed enemies to ever attack eachother. They take the whole duration just trying to figure out they're no longer attacking me and should be aiming elsewhere
@silk anvil i just always use aphro greater call
dry ember
what a terrible hammer
jaunty solar
skips a boss phase always
smoky atlas
I see charm as a paralyze basically
dry ember
ill take world spliter
jaunty solar
post an imgur link
silk anvil
@silk anvil i just always use aphro greater call
@jaunty solar
I even mean with aphro greater call
I see charm as a paralyze basically
@smoky atlas
Yeah, it works wonders when you can buff your charm chance and have dad perma-pacified
tidal hawk
how do I make imgur link
jaunty solar
upload it to imgur lmao
tidal hawk
All I know is screenshot
dry ember
do you know how F12 in Steam work?
solid cairn
is ares special on chaos shield still effective
silk anvil
If imgur is still down, you can upload an image to a discord server then copy-paste the external link to here
silk anvil
is ares special on chaos shield still effective
@solid cairn
I'd imagine it would be, even if the shields are more directed now
solid cairn
I mean what else would I go
silk anvil
^^ If you post it in a discord, you can click the image, then open it in external app (presumably a web browser)
silk anvil
The method kinda varies whether you're on mobile or comp
silk anvil
, strange, I would think that would work
tidal hawk
Ok anyway
Its literally artemis special build
with the shot on fists
instead of the uppercut
Kinetic Launcher
With Aspect of Demeter so it hits like 5 times
random light
Because Artemis best deity
silk anvil
I swear they mustve been changed or something because I thought demeter gloves was underwhelming 
random light
like memes aside, her boons are the most versatile and stuff like Pressure Points, Hide Breaker, Support Fire are good on practically any build
silk anvil
why not just hit someone 5 times with your special manually?
random light
silk anvil
Let's say you get a crit, does it apply to all 5 hits? Or is damage calculated separately for each one?
random light
separate
tidal hawk
Ok here is why demeter is good
random light
each one is a separate instance of damage but it's nigh instant
tidal hawk
1 button press
Does 5x your specials damage
instantly
no long animation
literally just happens
random light
no waiting or mashing or anything
silk anvil
Sounds like why one would want to take up that Hermes boon for fast-rapid-casting... but uh.. does that boon even still exist?
random light
If Hermes shows up I usually go for faster attack speed on Demeter Malphon because y'know charge the ol' special
silk anvil
Yer missing out @tidal hawk
random light
I mean I don't think any of the Fists are suited for cast builds
tidal hawk
I prefer to use casts as room clearing
hearty elbow
Talos is fine
random light
Poseidon Stygius is the best for cast builds, or perhaps Hera or one of the Rail Aspects
tidal hawk
when its hera
silk anvil
Also, I'll have to cronch numbers on whether or not it's better to instant 1000 someone with 12 fist punch between damage, or talos pull and do 1000 with good ol left-clicke
solid cairn
btw do you guys think persuasion or authority is more useful
random light
Can't wait for Hera, Hephaestus, and Apollo boons hopefully someday
Persuasion is switch boons and stuff right?
tidal hawk
lets say you get 3 trash Athena choices
change em
now you possibly have 3 good athena choices
random light
I've been using maxed out Authority but that's just because I haven't invested anything into Persuasion i'm working on it
random light
Aspect of Red Stygius when
solid cairn
hmm what about pride vs legacy
covert hatch
I bet the slow is going to be important for EM4
solid cairn
how do you even get em4
covert hatch
Trying to decide if I want to swap to Dio attack from Demeter
covert hatch
Be nice if she would show up again
silk anvil
Hangover kinda bad
@tidal hawk
Sacrilege
But yeah, demeter is nice because slowed enemies value cant be overstated
covert hatch
I had to grab the Nectar boon from Dio but next shop gave me Ice Wine
Sooooo worked out lol
stable grotto
I really like artemis support fire for high hitting weapons like rail, fist and shield...am I overvaluing that boon?
jaunty solar
support fire really accumulates with fast hitting weapons
stable grotto
Also what are good skills for afro....I feel like Ignore her the most as I don't like charm as a stat....I do like her call on bosses
jaunty solar
her cast is nice
covert hatch
I think people use her Attack for the high damage bonus?
silk anvil
Support fire is free [~+10*attackspeed/s] pretty good tbh
smoky atlas
aphro has one of the highest % boost to atk/special
silk anvil
@stable grotto chiron bow? I like demeter
smoky atlas
aphro call is stronk too
stable grotto
Cause right now I'm struggling with bow
And part of it is finding a good attack boon
smoky atlas
aphro, artermis
hazy slate
yeah aphro or artemis
smoky atlas
i like ares too, but not as much as the other As
stable grotto
Is art a good pick for everything?
hazy slate
maybe also artemis for special because zeus boon doesn't work with chiron special
stable grotto
I feelike fast weapons don't benefit from crits as much
hazy slate
i feel like i get consistent results with artemis
smoky atlas
and dionysus i guess, hes a bro
stable grotto
Oh yeah I got the ice/dio cast duo boon....not good for bow
Dio is great
I undervalued him until I leveled up more
smoky atlas
dio cast is amazing for hera bow, but if youre looking for normal atk, aphro/art are great
thick raptor
Zeus still does pretty decently well with Chiron special, especially if you build up with secondary boons.
lunar stump
hey, some quick build with the caos shield? I like dio for special but i want to try something else
silk anvil
Zues doesnt proc multiple specials with chiron tho
stable grotto
So aphro you take for raw numbers?
silk anvil
So beware if you're wanting to hit someone with 9 seeking thunderbolts ;~;
covert hatch
Triple Bomb or Flash Fire is better?
thick raptor
Zeus has delay, but doesnt it still hit a few times usually or do my eyes deceive me?
silk anvil
You get 1 thunderbolt per chiron shot
It has an internal per-enemy delay of 0.2 seconds
That prevents a veritable barrage of lightning from nuking someone out of existence (otherwise 64*9 damage every .5~.75 seconds would be ungodly powerful)
thick raptor
Oh yeah for sure. Thought I was seeing a second bolt get through when I was using it
thick raptor
Which rail?
hazy slate
zeus attack helps
jaunty solar
aspect of eris rail
lunar stump
whats a good rail build?
@jaunty solar zeus attack always helps, dio attack is also decent
i usually like to take a status special, aphro is the best imo
thick raptor
Was just about to suggest aphro on special
lunar stump
maybe demeter attack with the exploding chill at 10 stacks? even withous it cat stack chill pretty fast
thick raptor
On attack, yeah dio or Zeus are solid. Demeter isnt bad if you can get the damage on 10 stack
And even better with death at 10%
lunar stump
damn kipple we are connected xd
thick raptor
For chaos shield, ares is a good choice for special. I can never seem to do well with it overall though, so usually stick with Zeus shield
lunar stump
I'm actually trying demeter rail right now
For chaos shield, ares is a good choice for special. I can never seem to do well with it overall though, so usually stick with Zeus shield
@thick raptor never tried, also noted
thick raptor
Particularly if you get them shields bouncing to everyone, and a slow enough option that the delayed doom is probably a great choice with it
jaunty solar
For chaos shield, ares is a good choice for special. I can never seem to do well with it overall though, so usually stick with Zeus shield
@thick raptor see the video i posted earlier
zeus shield with merciful end
tidal hawk
Who gives sturdy when attacking?
marsh dawn
Hammer?
thick raptor
I havent played with merciful end yet, I've neglected ares as an option until recently and really am liking the blades more than I used to
hearty elbow
Lol, I thought I was memeing, but Nemesis + Cursed Slash with LC4 worked out
(It's not good. Do not advise)
jaunty solar
daedalus healing and guan yu are not affected by LC no?
hearty elbow
correct
jaunty solar
then theoratically i could run guan yu with LC4 for free heat
hearty elbow
That is the strategy with Stubborn Defiance in a nutshell, yes
jaunty solar
why stubborn?
glossy kraken
anyone know of a good aspect of arthur build
hearty elbow
Because you have a very finite number of mistakes you can make with DD + LC4
thick raptor
I've been stuck on making use of ||persephone|| until Styx and switching to the acorn on my runs, as well as just using Bouldie summon for emergency health. Any solid trinkets I may be overlooking?
hearty elbow
You can "heal" with Stubborn Defiance by killing yourself
lunar stump
I'm running Lucifer's with Demeter's attacks and its hilarious, the freezing laser of death
random light
On higher Heat, Stubborn Defiance tends to be the go to
jaunty solar
anyone know of a good aspect of arthur build
@glossy kraken just take artemis attack with anything else you want
and you are good to go
hearty elbow
Also Patroclus/Touch of Styx are very very good
thick raptor
Arthur works well with an Aphro special and find some hammers for more special speed/damage.
jaunty solar
oh yea what does patroclus give when you have stubborn anyway
random light
When in doubt, force Athena for the best dash in the game XD
jaunty solar
i mean yea
random light
I actually donāt know what Kiss of Styx does with Stubborn
jaunty solar
with fast hitting weapons except the rail you can force athena attack for almost invinvibility
random light
What does Pot of Greed Kiss of Styx do?
jaunty solar
or athena special with zeus aegis
hazy slate
i dont think it does anything actually
thick raptor
I havent considered using Zeus aegis with athena special before.
jaunty solar
its basically a second shield
especially useful in elysium when you cannot stun lock archers who have armor
hazy slate
im not entirely sure as I havent tried it but with the way stubborn defiance works, kiss of styx would be useless if you have stubborn defiance
smoky atlas
does athena special make arthur aoe a deflection dome
jaunty solar
i dont think so
lament creek
kiss of styx gets replaced with touch of styx
jaunty solar
cuz its not a hit, its an effect
kiss of styx gets replaced with touch of styx
@lament creek so what does that do
lament creek
i think makes your hp after revive higher
brittle maple
so how exactly does the hera bow work? does it count all the damage as one big instance or separate instances for the attack and however many bloodstones are in it?
hearty elbow
It's as if you casted them yousrelf, but at the point of impact of the arrow
spark lotus
WIki says Bow attack has pierce effect, but when I last tried it didn't ignore foes' shields. How does that actually work?
smoky atlas
its more than 1 instance for sure, which is why you can 1shot shielded enemies
onyx parcel
I was wrong
hearty elbow
Pierce means it goes through enemies. It doesn't pierce shields
onyx parcel
Sword is actually decent
hearty elbow
Lol, after all of that?
tidal hawk
Oh boy oh boy
onyx parcel
At least World splitter
tidal hawk
I cant wait to do a challenge room
brittle maple
so if i had deadly strike, it'd only crit on the damage from the base bow shot?
hearty elbow
Correct
brittle maple
alright cool, ty
lament creek
nice thing about it is that you can kill armored enemies in one shot
spark lotus
I'm kinda thinking about trying to win a run using only dashes
What do I choose - Ares, Zeus or Poseidon with Sea Storm?
hearty elbow
Poseidon, Razor Shoals, Sea Storm
Zeus is probably better if you get everything, but it's miserable if you don't
spark lotus
I see only one reason for Zeus to be better is that he wouldn't knockback enemies away from me
Damage would be worse I suppose?
hearty elbow
If you get Splitting bolt, Lightning Reflexes, Static Discharge, and Double Strike, Zeus will way overperform Poseidon
But Tidal Dash's base damage is great
spark lotus
If I have prerequisites for Sea Storm I can have every Zeus support boon, can't I?
So they affect Sea Storm
covert hatch
Woof
hearty elbow
They do yeah
covert hatch
I'll give myself credit, I had him down to 1/5th on my first shot at EM4
spark lotus
This build could actually do some damage lol
The only thing I'm worried about is that I can't rely on Athena much
hasty garnet
Man, I'm not real big on the Bow, but aspect of hera is pretty nuts with the right cast
livid comet
hmm, anyone tried out the new keepsake yet? decent to build around or no?
||The pom one I mean||
hasty garnet
hera with Festive Fog is ruining things pretty hard
livid comet
wot, I think that's the other keepsake that I haven't yet gotten
spark lotus
@livid comet It's kinda good in Styx
livid comet
lol
acoustic rapids
probably more correct to put this in #h1-for-new-players but with people going specific builds, do you rely on holding an ||olympian keepsake||? Or is it just theoretically what would be optimal if RNG blessed you?
livid comet
yeah, but not great to have over Olympian keepsakes prolly
I run Olympian keepsakes on the regular
spark lotus
Before Styx it only grants about 3 weak poms per... Sector?
But in Styx every small encounter counts
acoustic rapids
oh that doesnt need to be hidden then :p
livid comet
nope, it's one weak pom per 4 encounters
spark lotus
Yeah, and it's about 12 rooms per Tartarus, Asphodel and Elysium
livid comet
iunno how levels are broken up tho so you might be right
yeah, it's alright in Styx
It'd be nicer if I could select two/three boons for it to boost
spark lotus
But at that point you already have many boons so it levels up random stuff
livid comet
exactly
livid comet
do you run it from start to finish?
spark lotus
From Styx to finish :)
spark lotus
If you don't want force any more gods so yeah
livid comet
since I'm usually built by then
jaunty solar
god keepsakes are great if you want to casually force builds
livid comet
thoughts on dark foresight and the legendary boosting talent?
spark lotus
Is dark foresight the one with +hp for darkness?
livid comet
no that's the one that increases chances for gold laurel rooms
tidal hawk
I might quit the game
lament creek
legendaries are kinda specific to the build so take the legendary boost if you're hunting for a specific one
tidal hawk
Tbh
spark lotus
I prefer having everything for rareness and for legendaries
unkempt pagoda
personally i go olympian favor/god's legacy
tidal hawk
I used artemis greater call for Asterius to go no
and block the entire thing
he took 100 damage
compared to 1500
lament creek
yeah that happens
spark lotus
Olympian Favor and Gods Legacy
tidal hawk
So salty
tidal hawk
Yeah
livid comet
keep an eye on those hp bars
spark lotus
@tidal hawk he has invulnerability window at 50% hp
mighty ermine
yeah you gotta get used to timing greater calls around invuln thresholds
lament creek
small divisions on health bars would be nice
tidal hawk
Ok so I thought invuln was only if you are doing X damage to the boss
to prevent insta kill
livid comet
no
lament creek
its on specific thresholds
spark lotus
Yes all bosses have invulns
livid comet
it's always at 50%, ||Hades ||is every 33%
spark lotus
@livid comet ||On second phase its different||
livid comet
Uh yeah, well redacted is something else iirc
unkempt pagoda
meg and alecto are quarters, tisiphone is thirds
livid comet
second phase is souch easier than first phase omg
unkempt pagoda
hydra is thirds
mighty ermine
knowledge is power
marsh dawn
Is Pressure Points high priority on like every build? Feels like my damage skyrockets when I take it.