honestly i actually have done that; now i just lose every run
#h1-builds-and-combat
half crater
main osprey
Poison, if you're more worried about adds than the actual boss
unkempt pagoda
em4 is very long
ebon tinsel
ohhh good point
hearty elbow
Unfortunately I'm playing on Switch and I"m too lazy to do the x number of runs necessary to unlock EM4 to practice it in that way
(on PC)
dry ember
spearpoint is totally fine
ebon tinsel
ok yeah ig i can se spear for final zone and fight
silk anvil
Spear point is just essential for avoiding the obnoxious poison dot in satyr tunnels
Pretty dumb to be doing fine and then get shredded because you stepped on a pixel of green goo
unkempt pagoda
that's a nice bonus, but i use spearpoint because acorn tends to run out quickly in em4, especially if you get bad hades spawns
sterile comet
That is a pretty good point.
hearty elbow
Even with FO2, the auditory lugee-hawking queue is enough to dodge the satyr attack on reaction
sterile comet
I haven't been using it because I've been doing Lucky Tooth.
untold quiver
On bosses spearpoint versus acorn comes down to how you take your damage, as you ability to avoid goes up acorn becomes the clear winner
fluid scaffold
an alternative to spear for poison is some way to sustain/recover HP like cursed slash
dry ember
Acorn provides you more HP than Tooth
fluid scaffold
then again idk if that's even good
dry ember
no imo
silk anvil
Even with FO2, the auditory lugee-hawking queue is enough to dodge the satyr attack on reaction
@hearty elbow
Your satyrs dont lead their shots on you? Lucky duckling
dry ember
I hate cursed slash
hearty elbow
iframes my dude
fluid scaffold
I get why, it probably sucks
half crater
Even with FO2, the auditory lugee-hawking queue is enough to dodge the satyr attack on reaction
@hearty elbow i mean, for you maybe
untold quiver
@dry ember It depends on what's hitting you
sterile comet
Why would you hate Cursed Slash
fluid scaffold
but I'm a sucker for lifesteal effects in games like this
fluid scaffold
having less HP not very cool
silk anvil
@hearty elbow , iframes are for suckers who have good dashes
dry ember
because on high enough heat, everything one shot you at 33% hp
fluid scaffold
especially since it reduces every HP up you pick after
silk anvil
Though today was the day I learned that attacking out of a dash ruins your i-frame, so maybe that's my problem,
half crater
I hate cursed slash
@dry ember cursed slash is a great heat option
ember ermine
what are some of your all your favourite keepsakes to use? I pretty much only used pierced butterfly so I want to try and branch out
hearty elbow
Though today was the day I learned that attacking out of a dash ruins your i-frame, so maybe that's my problem,
@silk anvil Yeah it's real annoying at first to learn how to do that
dry ember
God x2 Acorn x2
fluid scaffold
Spiked Collar does get reduced by cursed slash yeah?
half crater
they prolly should rebalance it to make it worth at least 1 heat ofc
everything gets reduced by cursed slash
silk anvil
@silk anvil Yeah it's real annoying at first to learn how to do that
@hearty elbow
This whole time I have just been thinking that the I-frames I was getting were very precise
half crater
its like guan yu
tidal hawk
acorn protects against bosses 3 times right?
untold quiver
@ember ermine God x2 varies Spearpoint or plume x4
dry ember
5 at max
silk anvil
Do you know the timing difference between the two?
tidal hawk
or is it just the last regular room
thorn jolt
acorns works for every boss, and for 5 hits max
tidal hawk
Ok so It does work on bosses, makes sense
thorn jolt
no minibosses
main osprey
Or hidden boss
untold quiver
@tidal hawk it only works on bosses
tidal hawk
Do I get I-frames when It activates
half crater
did they make acorn work on charon?
half crater
was hoping they would
thorn jolt
if it has a boss healthbar
tidal hawk
get hit multiple times
thorn jolt
then it works
dry ember
You don't get hit for each instance of damage
kind cloud
does charm work on em4 hades?
tidal hawk
You don't get hit for each instance of damage
@dry ember ??????????????????????????????????
half crater
Or hidden boss
apparently not, oof
dry ember
5 times
tidal hawk
No I mean lets be theoretical
hearty elbow
Spear point is kinda temlting in Styx hell mode though. Snakestones with Personal Liability are obnoxious.
ebon tinsel
does beo make festive fog drop bloodstones instantly?
tidal hawk
could I get comboed in a corner and get hit 5 times, losing my entire acorn
unkempt pagoda
sgg considers asterius to be a boss but won't allow acorn to work against his fight 🤧
kind cloud
does charm work on em4 hades?
thorn jolt
beo has cast delay
tidal hawk
Or is it a recharge deal
thorn jolt
but it's very slight
kind cloud
does charm work on em4 hades?
dry ember
could I get comboed in a corner and get hit 5 times, losing my entire acorn
absolutely
kind cloud
/time to spam...lol.
tidal hawk
absolutely
@dry ember Shame. but makes sense
silk anvil
does beo make festive fog drop bloodstones instantly?
@ebon tinsel it might, if its similar to Demeters cast, which it turned into an explosion
kind cloud
does charm work on em4 hades?
half crater
you could also get comboed and just die lol
thorn jolt
my warning is don't do Beo + Ice Wine. It actually makes it SLOWER
unkempt pagoda
trippy flare does not drop instantly, most other flares do drop immediately
kind cloud
does charm work on em4 hades?
turbid needle
how do I unlock artemis' legendary?
dry ember
you don't
tidal hawk
KEK
dry ember
I have 270 hours in the game
I don't have Fully Loaded
I have proof, my legendary prophecy is missing Fully Loaded
unkempt pagoda
any two of hunter's mark, pressure points, or exit wounds (i think)
turbid needle
thanks
thorn jolt
Festive Fog + Beowulf still has the same drop time as the regular FF
ember ermine
What do you all think on world splitter for the sword hammer upgrade?
half crater
I don't have Fully Loaded
@dry ember how
kind cloud
Why wouldn't it
@tidal hawk
That's what someone said on a haelian stream. i'm coming here for confirmation.
hearty elbow
I don't have Second Wave in my PC save lol
silk anvil
Artemis never wants to give fully loaded >:c
unkempt pagoda
beowulf is the one cast build that suffers from using dio's cast
kind cloud
beowulf is the one cast build that suffers from using dio's cast
@unkempt pagoda
wut? really? how?
silk anvil
^ yeah how?
unkempt pagoda
trippy flare doesn't drop the bloodstones instantly
half crater
'cause it doesn't drop instantly
unkempt pagoda
all other flares do
silk anvil
But... does it make the cloud?
unkempt pagoda
it's because trippy flare makes the cloud that makes it not drop instantly
ember ermine
Oh i got fully loaded last run
unkempt pagoda
you have to sit through the cloud's duration before getting your damage back
silk anvil
Well then it's like his normal cast then? I dont think that's bad
hard holly
Oh thank god
ember ermine
That’s the +2 cast boon right?
half crater
yup
hard holly
I was able to savescum reforge the dash nova into a super nova
ebon tinsel
kinda bad for beo ig cuz you cant triple charge shield
silk anvil
I wouldve preferred to have semester's lazor beams as opposed to the cold-snap you get
kind cloud
i see...but trippy flare not dropping flares quickly is probably to keep it balanced.
a few days ago someone shared a clip of beowulf-dio cast doing huge damage in champions fight.
made game too easy
onyx parcel
Gods pride or legacy?
dry ember
depends
half crater
my only EM4 win to date was with trippy flare
hearty elbow
Legacy if you want Duos, Pride if not
silk anvil
But it's not even like beo gives bonus cast damage, right? It's just a weird clunky version of Hera's bow
half crater
i honestly don't know if its the best choice, but it isn't terrible
unkempt pagoda
try beo with passion flare
silk anvil
@unkempt pagoda that's aphro cast, right?
half crater
yeah been meaning to try passion flare
hearty elbow
I think Legacy is def more fun at first
unkempt pagoda
you stack 3 casts, dragon rush, deal 3 bursts of massive damage, immediately pick up the casts, and do it all again
half crater
i was actually using it at the start of that run, but it was common so i swapped it for heroic trippy
hearty elbow
Becaus Duos and Legendaries are pretty transformative with regards to play
onyx parcel
I think Legacy is def more fun at first
@hearty elbow so upgrade legacy first?
silk anvil
I mean, I just feel like beo is a worse version of Poseidon sword 
half crater
I’ll just max out pride first
@onyx parcel legacy is cheaper to max out
it has fewer ranks
hearty elbow
Lol, I'm not giving you an objective right answer on this one. They're both good, and keys become useless extremely quickly
So you have infinite freedom to try both
onyx parcel
Ok I’ll go for legacy
half crater
legacy is better imo
carmine briar
my gosh that feeling when you see a 1900 damage pop up
next moss
the max i ever saw was something like 3400
carmine briar
It's funny how a build suddenly just .. comes together and does what you were hoping. in my case, just before the champions
next moss
i should have screenshotted it
half crater
the max i ever saw was something like 3400
@next moss you have not lived, my friend
tho that's pretty solid ngl
hearty elbow
It's funnier when it doesn't and you have to tickle Dad to death with a pool noodle
next moss
full bar aphrodite makes it easy to get big numbers
hearty elbow
You know a build is good when Tight Deadline shows 6 minutes left to kill Hades and you go, "That may just be enough"
silk anvil
full bar aphrodite makes it easy to get big numbers
@next moss u saying the biggest damage you saw was from maxed aphro nuking something? It's not like it adds damage does it? Other perks of hers combined with weakness tho, maybr
silk anvil
You know a build is good when Tight Deadline shows 6 minutes left to kill Hades and you go, "That may just be enough"
@hearty elbow
6 minutes to kill hades?
not just 1.5
||inb4 Mk.2 dad takes ages||
hearty elbow
Heart Rend Excalibur with backstab crits and Shadow Slash can probably get that high
half crater
much higher i think
didn't someone post a screenshot of breaking 10k with something like that?
prolly had other stuff going on as well ofc
hearty elbow
Rama probably has the highest single hit damage potential in the game with stars aligning
Something like Triple, Explosive, Heart Rend crit into a giant pack.
half crater
yeah
hearty elbow
(Power shot)
silk anvil
Triple shot, but you have to be right behind them and get a backstab?
hearty elbow
I said stars aligning lol
silk anvil
I said stars aligning lol
@hearty elbow
Use demeter for slow maybe, but uh... yeah... forget Rama, you need Orion's bow for that many stars to align
main osprey
@rose raft (from #hades-feedback ) just one comment—|| Erebus is not supposed to be that rare, afaik ||
Otherwise, I agree with your post ^.^
rose raft
Well, maybe they need to up the rate of that one too!
half crater
i have more erebus gates than than rooms every run, i'm pretty sure
rose raft
hell, tie both of them to bad luck timers the more you go consecutive runs without either
half crater
i wanted 20 heat gates in styx
reef galleon
I get both thanatos and erebus practically every run as well
main osprey
I've gotten 4+ Erebus in a single run
limber flax
thats stupid
main osprey
@limber flax you can post imgur links
limber flax
wow
main osprey
And there're reasons for it
rose raft
maybe they could even like... make it so that the higher your heat level, the more chances of either event happening
silk anvil
frik you bot
@limber flax
No need to be mad yo
limber flax
hmmm
rose raft
actually give you an incentive to raise heat as early as possible
main osprey
Blanky, please don't get around the filter
hearty elbow
Lol, careful, non-auto-mods will give you a flag for dodging Proxy
limber flax
😕
silk anvil
@limber flax you can post screenshots of games here, I'm pretty sure; I've seen other people do it
carmine briar
wow
main osprey
@silk anvil imgur links
silk anvil
@limber flax it is a family friendly game, as is tradition of classic greek mythos
limber flax
whatever
main osprey
@limber flax No, mods who respect the server rules
limber flax
anyway what i wanna say is
screenshots are important to post in these games discords
rose raft
anyway, so yeah, about that thing regarding the game, and the two RNG events. yes
limber flax
to chow choises
and ask what to take
its stupid not being able to post screenshots here
main osprey
@limber flax as I said twice. Imgur links
dry ember
imagine not using ShareX
hearty elbow
It's to prevent massive walls of screenshots
silk anvil
Imagine not using MySpace
hearty elbow
By just making it a bit more annoying and intentional to post one
main osprey
There are completely valid reasons to block file uploads
silk anvil
abstraction of blame, notably
half crater
you can just use a link its no big deal
reef galleon
No you don't
limber flax
rly
dry ember
you don't need to lol
rose raft
if you just want to drag and drop, @limber flax, just use this extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/imgur-community-extension/ehoopddfhgaehhmphfcooacjdpmbjlao
silk anvil
You can also just ask for which boons to take, people here seem to know what they're talking about@limber flax
limber flax
thank you
rose raft
that is literally all that you need
dry ember
literally go to imgur homepage, drag your image to the page
silk anvil
inb4 advice is to take whatever fits your playstyle better
half crater
You can also just ask for which boons to take, people here seem to know what they're talking about
not me all i do is rant about bouldy being a disguise
dry ember
inb4 advice is to take whatever fits your playstyle better
I mean, if you ask 4head questions, expect 4head answers
hearty elbow
Also, honestly, a screenshot of 3 boons is not enough information to adquately help anyway, so you'll likely have to explain context either way
rose raft
ok so... what kinds of dashes do you guys get when you don't get Athena dash. no kap
dry ember
Hunter Dash
rose raft
that's just crit % + damage?
limber flax
lol
dry ember
Dash Strike does more damage
cunning urchin
No dash, so I have room for Divine Dash.
silk anvil
not me all i do is rant about bouldy being a disguise
@half crater
A disguise eh? 🔫
hearty elbow
Hunter, Mistral, Passion
smoky atlas
poseidon dash for rats
rose raft
ooh Poseidon I'll have to do that next time
hearty elbow
Oh, right, Tidal Dash actually kind of legit with new Razor Shoals
it's a lot of damage
rose raft
I was dying to get Athena dash here but I ended up with boonless dash and cast and still won, albeit barely https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/758521419901829190
half crater
@half crater
A disguise eh? 🔫
@silk anvil yes
bouldy is ||persephone|| in disguise
it all makes sense
dry ember
You don't need Divine Dash to win
rose raft
but I was also pushing the lambent plume p.hard
smoky atlas
i just did a tidal dash run
dry ember
it certainly helps though
half crater
actually it makes zero sense with 1.0
smoky atlas
rly good with hermes extra dash
half crater
but that just means i need a more convoluted theory
limber flax
ok i guess imgur wont just turn my screeshots into those files huh
only chrome pics?
files
rose raft
no you click on "copy link"
limber flax
oh
rose raft
and then you ctrl+v into this channel
kind cloud
TIL: aphro's charm cancels hades' lases. interesting.
dry ember
he doesn't know how (yet)
silk anvil
I need to grind up the useless situationally useful trinkets I never use ;~;
dry ember
do it in Styx for maximum efficency
hearty elbow
Charm does some weird things to The Hearos' combo attacks
dry ember
Charm does some weird things
to The Hearos' combo attacks
onyx parcel
do it in Styx for maximum efficency
@dry ember each room counts as an encounter? Or earache tunnel
hearty elbow
I don't actually know what's happening, I just know that Theseus just took a billion damage offscreen and there's a nova
onyx parcel
Each*
silk anvil
do it in Styx for maximum efficency
@dry ember but then that means fighting hades with bonus damage from boonless weapons!
dry ember
each room I think
rose raft
by a billion you mean 2500?
half crater
do it in Styx for maximum efficency
@dry ember do it in styx for maximumdying to hadesefficiency
rose raft
does the charm call go up in damage the higher the rarity
kind cloud
I need to grind up the
uselesssituationally useful trinkets I never use ;~;
@silk anvil
yep, some of them are clutch. like the acorn or charon's keepsake.
rose raft
the rarity/level thing being two different things confuses me honestly
limber flax
ok im too stupid to use ths
dry ember
i think you coross the wrong words @half crater
rose raft
does rarity increase the range of numbers?
limber flax
can i upload images to rehost without making imgur account or whatefver
half crater
i mean, you're not wrong
onyx parcel
I believe rarity just increases the y-intercept
So basically u get a head start
Compared to a common boon
rose raft
what's y-intercept
kind cloud
the rarity/level thing being two different things confuses me honestly
@rose raft
since you brought up...
as i understand it..rarity sets higher base...level up just happens the same but its asymptotic increase...
what's y-intercept
@rose raft
base damage.
x-intercept is marginal increase iirc
silk anvil
@limber flax , your best bet is honestly just asking which boon you should take. If there are synergies tou already have brewing in the background that are pertinent to what you're looking at, say so; but odds are, synergy > no synergy.
dry ember
@limber flax
go to imgur.com
have file explorer with the image on the side
drag your image to the web page
it will load and say "Copy Link" on the upper right corner of image
hit that
control V here
kind cloud
@rose raft
we have a spreadsheet (from last update) of tier/rarity + boon increase.
rose raft
so say I have two boons at rare, and only those two boons, and they're also level 2. is it always strictly better to get Eurydice to increase their rarity or level?
limber flax
thats annoying
silk anvil
@kind cloud , I really should try acorn again. I just know I can get chunked way more than 5 times in a bout against hades. The broken spearpoint doesnt hold me accountable to my failures to dodge ;》
dry ember
where is our screenshot even at
kind cloud
so say I have two boons at rare, and only those two boons, and they're also level 2. is it always strictly better to get Eurydice to increase their rarity or level?
@rose raft
yes
kind cloud
@rose raft
in that scenario, go to euryidece and take ambrosia delight over poms
silk anvil
i always just copy and paste my screenshot
@limber flax
But now you can copy and paste your URL to your screenshot!
rose raft
@limber flax open your Screenshots in Steam, go to Show On Disk, drag and drop the correct one from there into the imgur extension
dry ember
i think he used printscreen
limber flax
ah right steam screenshots
rose raft
but first click on the imgur extension button
limber flax
maybe i should not say this on official discord
rose raft
I don't think EGS is that hated here
dry ember
you figured out how to do that and can't post screenshot? bruh moment
dry ember
anyhow, just post the screenshot to one of your DMs
limber flax
and youre done
dry ember
and copy link here
I guess Hades is DRM free. You can just copy the files.
but support your devs
the ones that are ethical
silk anvil
FBI is already on their way 
the ones that are ethical
@dry ember
Devs are mostly always ethical; is the publishers you gotta watch out for
dry ember
fair enough, I used devs interchangeably
jaunty solar
gonna quickly say this here, zeus aspect shield will trigger support fire on return if it comes into contact with zagreus' hitbox
without hitting any enemies
smoky atlas
i havent figured out how to build around arthur yet
jaunty solar
take crit attack
rose raft
I mean Arthur aspect sounds great, just wish I could unlock the other aspects already
dry ember
smoky atlas
half crater
gonna quickly say this here, zeus aspect shield will trigger support fire on return if it comes into contact with zagreus' hitbox
there was briefly a bug that would put doom on you when it returned
dry ember
jaunty solar
i thought my 2200 hit with it was impressive lmao
dry ember
168!
carmine briar
yeah, I didnt have a crit build sadly, but I had 140% dmg from chaos and aphrodite/ares combo
dry ember
can't remember how many times I posted those
silk anvil
168!
@dry ember
Big Numbers!
main osprey
XD
jaunty solar
crit attack on arthur is broken ngl
dry ember
literally big numbers
main osprey
I love that picture
silk anvil
(What's that 8439 from tho 
)
dry ember
probably a support fire proc
silk anvil
Them little back arrows putting in the work
dry ember
he made it
limber flax
ladies and genteleman
dry ember
moly
main osprey
Ayy, nice
tidal hawk
best spear aspect?
limber flax
now
half crater
applause
dry ember
hades
jaunty solar
its guan yu with fast spin deadalus
tidal hawk
hades
@dry ember
its guan yu with fast spin deadalus
@jaunty solar
dry ember
explosive return
tidal hawk
uh
half crater
take charged flight
main osprey
Honestly any of those are good blanky xD Go for explo--
limber flax
uhh
main osprey
Explosive return is the easiest to use
half crater
okay so all three options have been suggested, do whatever you want
dry ember
limber flax
okay all good
half crater
achilles
dry ember
GY experince
jaunty solar
there is no bad spear aspect
main osprey
Yup
jaunty solar
literally none
tidal hawk
wait
main osprey
Heheheh
dry ember
Hades experience
limber flax
and thanks for teaching imgur lifehacks
jaunty solar
yes
cunning urchin
@dry ember begone, evil spirit! 🔫 
tidal hawk
Thats new
main osprey
Lmao Fox
jaunty solar
i mean im not talking about high heat
carmine briar
that spinny spear 😮
jaunty solar
i dont play high heat
tawdry holly
https://streamable.com/fdj77r
@dry ember what is the name of the spear boon
jaunty solar
guan yu spin attack heals you
mighty ermine
oh no proxy suspended fox
main osprey
Imo, all of the weapons/aspects are viable. I just can't use all of them myself
mighty ermine
rip
carmine briar
poor foxy
half crater
cant heal
@tidal hawk guan yu has more healing that normal?
charred ruin
does exit wounds activate on stygian soul when the cast effect vanishes, even if it doesn't drop?
neon mica
what is the best weapon?
jaunty solar
its a singleplayer game everything is viable if you like them
tidal hawk
@tidal hawk guan yu has more healing that normal?
@half crater No I'm pretty sure high heat there is literally a modifier where you can't heal
mighty ermine
basic sword can do fine with the same dash-strike centric builds that nemesis likes. just not as good
still viable
limber flax
im surprised shield does so much dmg
main osprey
GY bypasses the no healing
tidal hawk
IT BYPASSES LASTING
half crater
@half crater No I'm pretty sure high heat there is literally a modifier where you can't heal
@tidal hawk oh yeah didn't realise that's what they meant
true
main osprey
So does Cursed Slash, iirc
jaunty solar
i mean nemesis and arthur totally overshadow all other aspects on the sword
mighty ermine
it's really not broken honestly, but it's nice yeah
main osprey
And I think the Fists Special heal also bypasses, but I could be wrong
silk anvil
What did fox do to get suspended ;-; support hades aspect?
jaunty solar
too many links
main osprey
Too many links
mighty ermine
posting too many links
silk anvil
F to my homie
jaunty solar
BRUH
mighty ermine
lmao
main osprey
Oofie
jaunty solar
what rating is hades
main osprey
I think T, at least in America?
silk anvil
Somewhere between S-F
mighty ermine
i rate it great out of great
half crater
i would rate him a 6; pretty hot but he's angry all the time
main osprey
At least you know Zagreus won't get cold feet
silk anvil
what rating is hades
@jaunty solar
Cartoon violence
Suggestive themes
Dark themes
Historical allusions
T
jaunty solar
T is like what 17+?
main osprey
Teen
silk anvil
13+?
silk anvil
M is 17+
jaunty solar
then i can say blast right
tidal hawk
gotta blast
main osprey
Blasted shades
silk anvil
then i can say blast right
@jaunty solar
You're darn tootin'
jaunty solar
tarnation
rose raft
blast darnit all to heck
jaunty solar
why would it catch that
silk anvil
blood and darkness
@half crater
It's really just abstractions of the self, nothing to see here
dry ember
Historical allusions
oh no, anything but that
tidal hawk
silk anvil
Welcome back the progidal son
oh not, anything but that
@dry ember
Honestly that one may push it over into AO territory
so you like Hades huh?
Then recite the entire Illiad from memory
jaunty solar
based
is there a build to make aegis chaos aspect do comparable damage to zeus aspect? i really like chaos making remarks occasionally but zeus aspect is too good
potent ember
seastorm build
hasty dune
If the chaos shields also bounced I feel like I'd notice them more, but I totally understand why they don't that would be crazy powerful
silk anvil
is there a build to make aegis chaos aspect do comparable damage to zeus aspect? i really like chaos making remarks occasionally but zeus aspect is too good
@jaunty solar
I thought people only ever ran Chaos shield, and forsook the Zeus aspect
half crater
so you like Hades huh?
Then recite the entire Illiad from memory
@silk anvil okay not the illiad but have you ever just been in a conversation with nothing to say after doing a bunch of new save runs, and just absently mutter to yourself "Few tales are told of hades, who's very name inspires fear and penitence, reminding us of the inevitable fate that we all share. I, however, mean to tell you such a tale. Listen carefully..."
dry ember
Listen
All this takes a lot of gettin' use to
And you do get used to it...
After a while
There's three things I'll always miss, though
One: not havin' to watch my step all the time
Two: Ah...forget about two
And three: I miss the songs
jaunty solar
@silk anvil why would i run chaos shield when i can put athena special on zeus and never get hit by a projectile ever again
also, you take double strike no knockback daedalus with doom or weak and do insane dps
half crater
see, you could put athena on zeus aspect
silk anvil
double strike with doom 🤢
half crater
but zeus goes with zeus like lightning and... more lightning
silk anvil
fr tho that line legit gets stuck in my head like an earworm
@half crater
Issa good line. And at least relevant to hades, I have some classical poem lines that arent pertinent to anything but the inevitable void
jaunty solar
double strike with doom 🤢
@silk anvil you take either athena ares duo or the one that makes doom stack and its p good
half crater
yeah its great
silk anvil
Anyway, less and less I'm finding myself going for doom (even stacking); I swear I'm gonna prove it, I just dont feel the damage
jaunty solar
i take double strike just to get rid of the knockback ngl
half crater
of course, i'm forced to recite it doing my best Logan Cunningham Hades impression, which may make me look slightly crazy
but that's a risk i just have to take
Anyway, less and less I'm finding myself going for doom (even stacking); I swear I'm gonna prove it, I just dont feel the damage
@silk anvil why stack when you can merciful end
silk anvil
@half crater that's what in trying to figure out >:c I bet DPS is better I'd you have merciful end too
jaunty solar
currently i have doom on special with zeus
looking for merciful end
if i find it i will absolutely shred any boss
FOUND IT
LMAO
brb gonna anihilate the heroes
silk anvil
Let us know how it pans out; what's the interplay again? You have to hit em with Athena to immediately activate doom?
How fast is the windup/return of Zeus shield to hit someone with doom and then recall to slap them and cast the doom?
half crater
do it
never done it with zeus, i assume the theory is you chuck the special out to constantly apply doom, then just whack the target with attack/dash to proc it
silk anvil
Oh true, there is that 18 damage you get from hitting someone with Shield dash, isnt there?
half crater
shield dash?
oh you mean bull rush?
you're probably better of dashing or straight attack in this case
way faster
jaunty solar
never done it with zeus, i assume the theory is you chuck the special out to constantly apply doom, then just whack the target with attack/dash to proc it
@half crater exactly
half crater
you got athena on dash or attack?
jaunty solar
both lmao
half crater
nice
jaunty solar
gonna record this gimme a sec to set up obs
hasty dune
Is it possible to go through a run only taking boons from one diety? Or will you always end up with at least two?
half crater
yes
untold quiver
@hasty dune you could do it
half crater
someone almost managed it with athena, but then rng screwed them over in styx
untold quiver
You'll always be offered more than one
half crater
but its absolutely possible
you just need to use fated authority to reroll other boons a lot
and get lucky ofc
tidal hawk
Money build is fun
tidal hawk
I dont even have that much going
and I'm rich
Just golden touch side hustle and +45%
hasty dune
nice
jaunty solar
need to upload it, ill ping or dm you when i do
half crater
sure
jaunty solar
the video is choppy af but the fight took a minute lmao
half crater
nice lol
manic ruin
Anyone have any fun spear builds? It has the darkness buff but I always feel that it's kinda boring
Any aspect
untold quiver
Hunting blades Achilles?
half crater
achilles except its actually just full wine with +150% damage
manic ruin
I've tried hunting blades, havent been a fan ngl
untold quiver
I just like unloading +150% damage blade rifts into everything
half crater
or hunting blades works yeah
manic ruin
Prob cause I got it in styx with 40 hp left and no revives after trying to get it all game
half crater
ideally you want vicious cycle to really make it good
manic ruin
Going a blade rift build w/o HB feels so bad
untold quiver
The trick is to learn how to play blade rifts normally the hunting blades is just a bonus
manic ruin
I got both those in styx
half crater
i hate blade rifts normally and am trash at them
and i love hunting blades
that's the point of them
they require zero skill to use lol
untold quiver
I start with Ares for slicing shot (match) take the first chaos well for +1 cast or cast damage, Artemis in zone 2 for hunter dash or strike, then grab every Ares Artimis boon I can
bronze geyser
I got a really good blade rift build yesterday, and lost to EM4 hades cuz I'm bad
half crater
EM4's pretty hard to be fair
silk anvil
shield dash?
@half crater
I meant dashing with athena's boon shield
jaunty solar
never done a blade rift build
half crater
oh yeah divine dash with merciful is lit
untold quiver
It's all or nothing really either it's the point of the build or no thanks
jaunty solar
i see
half crater
on fists i like to
1: get curse of agony
2: get divine dash
3: get divine flourish
4: get merciful end
5: immediately sell divine flourish
dunno why but it always makes me cackle gleefully to keep the duo after selling its prerequisite
jaunty solar
on fists literally get ares special with gilgamesh, divine strike and divine dash, literally unkillable powerhouse
untold quiver
I only take them with Pblade or Aspear where the damage is getting buffed and the point is to move and annialate things with blade rifts
jaunty solar
divine strike is my fav boon on the fists because of how fast it hits
you can just spam it and not get hit ever
half crater
divine strike is certainly solid
jaunty solar
and doom special pairs well with gilgamesh for obvious reasons
half crater
i like the fast doom apply from curse of agony tho
and you can proc it easily with dash
untold quiver
I've been playing more 4th fists ..where I'm leaning into heartbreak more
jaunty solar
good idea ngl
untold quiver
Higher base damage, constant weak negates Maim buff
jaunty solar
seems to negate the downside entirely in theory
ye
but like with divine dash and strike both you rarely get hit
so i take doom on special, at least in theory
im not that good to not get hit ever tho lmao
untold quiver
4th is a slower attack you're more vulnerable trying to use Devine strike
jaunty solar
yea
untold quiver
That's the only one I goto heartbreak on
jaunty solar
i like just doing chill darkness runs usually
half crater
yeah i'd like to try and aphro or arty build on 4th fists, with the higher base damage
jaunty solar
you dont always need to grind heat
half crater
oh yeah fair absolutely not
untold quiver
It was my first Em4 clear ....all kinds of sexy damage reduction
half crater
i'm usually pushing heat in some way, but that's personal preference
jaunty solar
oh i should really try em4 on a darkness run
half crater
do it
jaunty solar
never actually did em4, i did em3 once and noped out from ever doing it again after seeing theseus
half crater
the EM4 fight is fun, everyone should try it
bronze geyser
I used aphrodite/dionysus/athena boons, myrmidon bracer and a sturdy buff from hammers/hermes to get huge damage reduction
I facetanked most of EM4 hades
jaunty solar
facetank builds are certainly fun
untold quiver
Yeah I had all the reduce boons, and collusus knuckle for sturdy
half crater
the real power move is when hades chucks out his lasers and you just go "yeah... nah i'm not even gonna dodge"
jaunty solar
me with the shield
untold quiver
And weak and a stronger weak, I got lucky and hit a double trial run
jaunty solar
just block lmao
bronze geyser
When he pulls out his lasers but you pop athena call
half crater
blocking doesn't count
you gotta take it to the face
show daddy you're not afraid of him
half crater
yup
facetank urns on heightened security
150 damage? bah!
(don't actually do this)
half crater
there you go
jaunty solar
probably does tho you should ask someone who actually runs blade rift
half crater
yus
half crater
it does pretty sure
thorn jolt
do people feel Acorn is fair and in a good place? I feel bad whenever Doomcrystal or Butterfly just eats all my charges 😦
half crater
eh, it’s better with hunting blades
jaunty solar
i just run "god keepsake" x3 and take the collar at the end
half crater
man i wish hunting blades worked on the call
manic ruin
What's better for a blizzard shot build on Hera? Frost strike or frost flourish? They are both Epic
thorn jolt
Acorn during ||Hades fight, he may summon minibosses|| @tidal hawk
half crater
pop greater ares call, then sit back and relax
manic ruin
Either Acorn or the broken sword
jaunty solar
just pop greater aphrodite to switch phase in a second
manic ruin
Also ya dont mentioned Redacted's name pla
tidal hawk
He's never done that for me
manic ruin
*plz
tidal hawk
I've cleared a bunch
half crater
do people feel Acorn is fair and in a good place? I feel bad whenever ||Doomcrystal or Butterfly just eats all my charges 😦||
@thorn jolt i mean, judging it solely based on ||EM4 ||seems harsh
tidal hawk
THATS EM4
half crater
it’s great without that heat option
thorn jolt
I thought this channel we're allowed to not use spoiler tags
jaunty solar
EM4 SPAWNS BUTTERFLY???
manic ruin
The hiss, ur quote with the name is still up there
tidal hawk
nobody scrolls up
jaunty solar
@half crater https://youtu.be/a7RXM0GjqQQ
manic ruin
For demeter posi duo boon build
thorn jolt
@half crater ||it can happen in EM4 and lower. He can summon butterfly balls in both versions||
jaunty solar
gonna record and upload hades too, maybe it will be better quality
half crater
@jaunty solar nice
half crater
might try that build sometime
thorn jolt
because of the above interaction
half crater
@half crater ||it can happen in EM4 and lower. He can summon butterfly balls in both versions||
@thorn jolt sure, but they’re much more manageable and much rarer
bronze geyser
I usually take myrmidon bracer cuz I tank his spear throw attack alot
thorn jolt
also are these all spoilers haha? talking about moveset?
half crater
EM4 is a spoiler
vague ledge
Is the Achilles spear good?
tidal hawk
Ok
Casual 2k damage ares call
got double greater call in 1 room
Redacted is about to die
half crater
do it
tidal hawk
Not even worried
untold quiver
@vague ledge Achilles Spear is the only one I use , heat 10 and climbing, got a big buff in 1.0
half crater
wait, did it?
mighty ermine
it was buffed back in blood price
mighty ermine
didn't really change in 1.0
half crater
that’s what i thought
untold quiver
Oh the 2x to 4x was Blood Price? I don't think I noticed lololol
vague ledge
I did one run with it and I like it more that Theseus likes himself
tidal hawk
I just had a nasty build
jaunty solar
how do you do a zeus build?
tidal hawk
Check victory boasting
jaunty solar
double strike with zeus attack?
half crater
and i’m looking for non zeus builds for zeus aspect
had to take a break from it as the same thing was getting repetitive
jaunty solar
i dont think i ever take zeus boons unless i have to lmao
half crater
double strike with zeus attack?
@jaunty solar zeus on special
half crater
yeah with double strike and splitting bolt it melts enemies
half crater
yeah also works amazing on rail
jaunty solar
oh i was looking for something to make the rail do damage too
half crater
zeus is your friend
just go for the legendary and you’ll do fine
jolted is also great, particularly with cold fusion
it’s funny to watch the enemies with fast attack routines just kill themselves
limber flax
is it just me or is festival bog really strong
rigid urchin
it's strong, but the trade off is that your boiling blood/abyssal blood ability from your mirror is rendered useless, since your bloodstones don't attach to enemies anymore
half crater
omg festival bog is an amazing typo
also yes it’s super good
if you grab scintillating feast (zeus/dio duo) and ice wine (demeter/dio duo) then you get the Full Wine build, which is one of the best cast builds in the game
but it can honestly be pretty solid just on its own
limber flax
I dont know much about builds yet
half crater
which is, admittedly, a long time to yolo lol
limber flax
yep
half crater
but yeah you only really need builds for higher heat
otherwise they’re just for fun/speedrunning
limber flax
is there ascension like slay the spire?
jaunty solar
yea
vague ledge
is the thing behind the curtain that unlocks at 8 heat is cosmetic or not
limber flax
is that the higher heat you mean
half crater
@vague ledge it’s purely cosmetic
bronze geyser
But its a very nice cosmetic
vague ledge
ok
bronze geyser
Worth
half crater
haven’t played slay the spire? not sure what ascension is
bronze geyser
It's basically heat but you don't get to pick and choose the different modifier, there's a specific modifier for ascension 1-20
half crater
heat is various options you can enable to make the game harder
bronze geyser
Heat is like that but you get to pick and choose which modifiers
half crater
ah, fair enough
silk anvil
On the topic of sturdy: ???
I dont think I've ever noticed being staggered or anything by attacks
half crater
you’ve never been hit and had it cancel your action?
happens most often with spear spins for me
limber flax
haven’t played slay the spire? not sure what ascension is
@half crater ascension in that game is basically 20 levels of hard
silk anvil
Not that I can recall or notice@half crater
silk anvil
My memory of "being hit while charging something" was I got hit but could still charge through it
limber flax
ah modifiers okay
keen carbon
what are some boons that go well with the gilgamesh fists?
limber flax
ascension seems cooler than custom
median oar
what companion do you fellas use as your go-to
half crater
20 levels of hard
@limber flax ... seems like my kind of game lol
heat is pretty cool
half crater
it’s stupid flexible
silk anvil
what are some boons that go well with the gilgamesh fists?
@keen carbon
Switching to zag / talos fists
Uh, zeus main attack is always reliable
half crater
there’s like, 60 something levels of it now
silk anvil
what companion do you fellas use as your go-to
@median oar
I only ever bouldy
limber flax
oh
half crater
should really do that
limber flax
aight
half crater
everyone says it great
limber flax
it is
half crater
@keen carbon
Switching to zag / talos fists
Uh, zeus main attack is always reliable
honestly, not sure how true this is for gilg
attack rate is waaaay slower than with normal fists
mighty ermine
@median oar i mainly use battie (meg). flexible at high heat and quick to activate unlike mort
antos is pretty popular too
silk anvil
attack rate is waaaay slower than with normal fists
@half crater
Still fast enough to be viable; and idk how to easily control the micro-dash-strikes, but they're worth mentioning.
Otherwise yeah, you could probably go with Aetemis crit or Aphro just damage
median oar
i like battie but I'd like it so much more if I could figure out how to angle it
mighty ermine
battie generally tries to line up the circles perpendicular to the direction zag is facing
half crater
yeah but it’s like, 60 damage base, right? so a common heartbreak strike nets you 30 extra, way more than even an epic lightning strike
hard holly
Did Charons paddle swing always do 55 damage?
half crater
it always did a stonk if that’s what you’re asking
mighty ermine
if you get reasonably close to what you want to hit and summon battie, you'll usually get good results anyway
median oar
battie always targets the closest but I can't figure out its logic for direction. I'll try and see if it's as simple as perpendicular to character facing
hard holly
I fought Charon in Tartarus because I figured hey
More early gold for golden Touch
I lost 3 death defies
silk anvil
yeah but it’s like, 60 damage base, right? so a common heartbreak strike nets you 30 extra, way more than even an epic lightning strike
@half crater
Yeah, but crowd clear > single target! ;~;
half crater
there’s a point where it isn’t worth it tho
mighty ermine
i think the circles being perpendicular to zag's direction is in the case of one obvious target right in front. it seems like there's some variance when multiple enemies are around, as the angle will try to adjust to hit more
silk anvil
I lost 3 death defies
@hard holly
Yeah boi, if you only have 1 or two boons, more gold is nice, but it's a slog to get through his health
half crater
i’d say gilg is pretty close to that point, if not crossing it
hard holly
Wouldve been fine if I didnt take 55 damage from each paddle swing
silk anvil
I've done it once and it's nice to say I've done it, but it's such a time sink if you dont have damage, even if you play perfectly
hard holly
Fingers crossed for getting Patroclus
silk anvil
Granted I only ever play with tight deadline so I care about time sinks like that
Yeah, just play perfectly on your way up to see patches ;)
half crater
yeah i only do it for bragging rights
which doesn’t work well cause i’m embarrassingly bad at that fight
me: trying to brag i beat charon! loosing... all three DDs in the process...
silk anvil
I managed to doge all his skulls easily enough (idk how in some cases but I'm not complaining)
But yeah man, getting slapped for 100 damage per paddle swing? No bueno
half crater
yeah
hard holly
How did Aphrodite not offer me her attack boon 3 times in a row
silk anvil
How did Aphrodite not offer me her attack boon 3 times in a row
@hard holly
Wheres nyaanyaa to remind you to not question a goddesses' intent?
stray agate
is crit chance additive?
hard holly
That specifically prevents flame wheels from spawning?
drifting vale
Yeah there is
silk anvil
Legends foretold of such a thing
stray agate
i'm pretty sure I missed a 105% crit chance
drifting vale
Impressive
silk anvil
is crit chance additive?
@stray agate it should be, yeah
drifting vale
What is giving you crit to 105%
stray agate
zag bow, epic artemis attack, epic pressure points, epic marked
drifting vale
Sounds like you hit something that didnt have marked on it
drifting vale
Ah
stray agate
https://i.imgur.com/XtVud8M.png it's a bit confusing, since where all the other ones have their crit chance listed, it has the attack damage bonus
silk anvil
Man, so many epics... makes me miss playing with the mirror buffs to find higher rarity items
worldly trellis
I havent figured out how impactful rarity is tbh, it seems like going up a tier is just a small numbers boost thats less than a level up
Is there any other reason to care about rarity?
ebon tinsel
Rarity is a mutlipler so it makes levels better too
So the lower level your boon the less mileage you'll see out of it's rarity (if I understand correctly)
silk anvil
You're definitely right to boost a boon with a pom of power regardless of rarity tho, it can be a crazy increase compared to what its base power might be
though admittedly I'm not sure what the difference in levels between rarities looks like, but I wager Lincoln is on to something
lone lava
Do god keepsakes only ensure the next boon is from that god once per run or once per underworld region?
silk anvil
Unless they changed it, it only seems to apply once per run
random hull
Say, is there a reason why you like that fork and knife emote that much?
silk anvil
Say I equip Zeus, the first boon I'll find in zone 1 is Zeus. But zone 2 may never give me Zeus again >:c
jaunty solar
i mean if you switch it you can get a boon per god per region
like you can always force a sequence of any gods you want as your first boon every region
silk anvil
Say, is there a reason why you like that fork and knife emote that much?
@random hull
Would you believe me if I told you I have a Pipe emoji I like to spam in my other discord to say "nifty idea/cool thought/good point", but lack discord nitro, so this is my stand-in?
I suppose the reason I was called to it is because the 🍴 emoji does also have a point (or 4 points, to be precise)
random hull
I see! I, and as I suspect, many others, have little means to discern this particular meaning. But now I know!
silk anvil
If I get better about lurking in this discord, others will come to know as well
velvet yoke
whats the best way to win im 95 percent there to the end them "dad" kills me
silk anvil
@velvet yoke
-Having mirror maxed is a big help
-dont forget about your god calls, which can be clutch
-dont forget about your casts
-dont forget to dodge
thick raptor
Learn his patterns, keep up on having DD
A couple of extra Styx rooms to farm for death defiance refreshes can be a life saver if you can manage it
proven osprey
Hide behind the rocks
thick raptor
Calls that give you damage immunity (Ares, Poesidon, Athena) tend to work particularly well for me
proven osprey
Got my first win today thanks to that
silk anvil
If you find that you just cant seem to avoid his attacks, you might be better off with a dodge chance build or a ranged build; or if ya dont mind waiting, using shield
You might find surprising success if you go for a caster-type build, and get something like Dio's fog, and get lucky with a duo boon from Zeus + Demeter (assuming demeter is spawning for you)
thick raptor
Demeter + Artemis cast build can work nice for hiding as well
silk anvil
Also, having Athena dash is always nice because it makes it easier to throw his skulls back at him
worldly trellis
This is going to sound stupid but I legit did not realize this my first time
When youre fighting dad, there are like 3 big pillars
USE THEM.
chrome tide
so uh how do i get the beowulf shield yes
worldly trellis
Loop him around, use them as cover
velvet yoke
whats the best weapon ?
thick raptor
@velvet yoke The weapon you're comfortable with. I tend to be better at sword, bow, and gun.
worldly trellis
There really isnt one, theyre all about equally viable
proven sierra
had an INCREDIBLE times with the new fist aspects and this build
worldly trellis
Im a fan of the rail
worldly trellis
Others hate it
chrome tide
i dont get them
chrome tide
it seems like they change
silk anvil
o i cant post pics
@proven sierra
Upload to imgur
worldly trellis
#h1-story-discussion has a pinned message about hidden aspects
silk anvil
whats the best weapon ?
@velvet yoke
A lot depends on how you play. Plenty of people like Zeus/artemis on Fists / Rail; the crowd clear / high dps can be pretty darn nice; theres other builds too. It tends to be the case where you can kinda think about what would go good with what; aphrodite adds baseline damage, so you can slap that on a heavy hitting move and be fine. Etc. Its kinda a mix of what you want and what is best suited for the weapon
my super-fun fourth fist aspect build
link
@proven sierra
Did you intend to share that among us image?
how dare you toy with my emotions like that
proven sierra
imgur is broken for me
it keeps not uploading them and giving me a 400 bad request error!!
silk anvil
It's because that bread-profile picture broke the internet with their previous uploaf
proven sierra
"Something went wrong with CREATE_ALBUM_FAIL. Please try later" - cool, thanks imgur
random hull
You could post the images to a private discord server and link from there
silk anvil
F, dionysus spilled wine on their servers
robust anchor
i am also a rail fan
primal cape
what's your best build for ||rama?||
hard holly
The usual, aphro/artemis attack, artemis dash
Attack boons increase dash-strike damage
proven sierra
DEPENDS Val
hearty elbow
what's your best build for ||rama?||
@primal cape Artemis/Aphro attack with Divine/Hunter Dash, and you can complement that with either Heartbreak Flourish for Heart Rend or Relentless Volley + Drunken Flourish.
Aphro attack + Thunder Flourish for Smoldering Air works well as well.
proven sierra
if a BOON: modifiers to attack also modify dash-attack
if a HAMMER UPGRADE: modifiers to attack do not modify dash-attack
hard holly
Uh
Thats not generally true
Its a case by case basis
Bows attack hammers affect dash-attack
proven sierra
🤔 hm
bow dash attack is kind of the same as a regular attack
it just executes after a dash
hard holly
Thats ... thats most dash attacks
proven sierra
🤔 It isn't for sword, trident, or fists. I don't think it is for shield, either?
So at least 50/50.
hard holly
Its only not for sword and fist
The other ones are effectly just attacks that have slightly altered animations
proven sierra
The trident dash attack is absolutely a unique attack versus the normal stab
it has a unique swirl animation
hard holly
Arguably bow has a bigger change due to its powershot damage being lower while the charge is faster
Bows dash attack also has a unique animation
Zag holds the bow differently
hasty garnet
Oof. Faster spin or bigger stronger spin for Guan Yu?
hard holly
Though I cant recall if its the normal or the dash attack where he holds it sideways
Faster spin
hearty elbow
Faster
proven sierra
Faster spin
hasty garnet
👌
proven sierra
stronger = they die faster = you heal less!
hasty garnet
gotta go fast it is then
ember ermine
Do i need to spoiler mark the secret weapons?
hearty elbow
Eh, not really, just don't talk about how to get them etc.
hard holly
Newest one, yes, others no, I believe?
hard holly
The fist aspect
ember ermine
Ah ok
Well then. What are good boons for excalibur. Also what does the special actually do i’m a bit confused
ebon tinsel
artemis or aphro attack
hearty elbow
Special creates a field that:
- Slows enemies
- Reduces damage taken
- Slows projectiles (including projectiles from traps)
- Stops traps from triggering.
It can only be at one place at a time and you can't just use special again to move it
ember ermine
Okay thanks
hearty elbow
You want Artemis/Aphro attack and Divine Dash
It has a couple of hidden effects too, like it nearly TOTALLY stops chariots and flamewheels
wayyyy more than most enemy types
ebon tinsel
does arthur slow reduce animation speed like demeter slow?
hearty elbow
I... think?
ebon tinsel
interesting thanks
ember ermine
Is “greater consecration” good