just power up your mirror and give nectar to friends
#h1-builds-and-combat
narrow rampart
ebon tinsel
does demeter slow slow down animations etc or just movement?
onyx folio
ive gotten to the final area like 5 times in total bc area 3 is a slog
mirror maxed out keys just wont drop lol
narrow rampart
I straight up used gemstones for keys at the broker
didn't feel like farming them
onyx folio
no deals :|
small stirrup
does demeter slow slow down animations etc or just movement?
Animations
narrow rampart
also some of the prophecies give you lots of keys
untold vortex
that heroes fight probably would have been 10 seconds even without a ||companion||
small stirrup
So they hit slower as wwell
narrow rampart
see yes it WOULD be somewhat short BUT
scarlet roost
Hey guys, what's some good boons for the fists?
ebon tinsel
thanks for the info
narrow rampart
None of my weapons are sufficiently leveled up yet
reef galleon
@onyx folio do you take advantage of your privileged status?
because that can be the reason why area 3 is a slog for you
tardy dragon
Bruh ive played for two days how am I meant to accomplish that
narrow rampart
with time, dw
untold vortex
athena, ares, zeus @scarlet roost
scarlet roost
Made it all the way to Redacted without losing a single life but I couldn't beat him since I was doing so little damage :(
Athena dash, Zeus cast, Ares attack?
untold vortex
no, any of those attacks
scarlet roost
I was rocking Artemis which had some great crit damage, but still fell short
Thx I'll give those a try
untold vortex
if athena attack, artemis dash is great
small stirrup
Zeus on attack, Athena/Arty dash and aphro special 
untold vortex
if ares attack pick up athena special and dash
onyx folio
athena dash > athena attack > everything else
next moss
especially for redacted
untold vortex
and that is why ares is incredible on fists
untold vortex
and then win
small stirrup
Merciful End got nerfed in 1.0 but is still great
untold vortex
ME imo needed the nerf, getting it before leaving Tartarus was nuts
small stirrup
Absolutely
onyx folio
spears my favourite but it really seems like the weakest out of the lot besides maybe bow
small stirrup
Spear is super strong
onyx folio
sword, shield and rail got me further each time
narrow rampart
iirc nyaan did the math and Ares Attack is still the highest DPS, even if you don't have merciful end
onyx folio
special never really seems like it does much even when powered up
narrow rampart
iirc, yes
onyx folio
since attack range is so ridiculous already
narrow rampart
lemme check
onyx folio
and hits faster
brittle wind
fated list slashed benefit there is a puller ?? what enemy do I encounter it??
next moss
that's insane
narrow rampart
wait no that's before 1.0 i think
small stirrup
The ones with a (purple)? vortex around them are the ones with the puller effect @brittle wind
narrow rampart
but afaik none of the attacks have been changed in 1.0
untold vortex
that's pre blood price update
narrow rampart
ah heck
onyx folio
swear words not allowed
narrow rampart
...were any of the attack ratios/damages changed in blood price?
onyx folio
band
narrow rampart
HECK ISNT A SWEAR WORD
brittle wind
i see okay
onyx folio
your band x2
narrow rampart
ALSO THE ENTIRETY OF THIS GAME IS ABOUT FIGHTING OUT OF HELL
onyx folio
hell is fine
narrow rampart
o
novel quarry
mfw i get demeter laser but no cast buffs
narrow rampart
rip
onyx folio
^^^^^
its so bad without it
goodbye 50
???
goodbye 50% single target damage increase for... that...
ebon tinsel
what is the range for distant memory damage buff?
small stirrup
rail gun's normal length is just touching it
narrow rampart
wish there was an indicator
small stirrup
I agree
We've feedbacked quite a few times but nothing yet
You can still drop it in though!
narrow rampart
Maybe I will!
boreal summit
dont you get a different sound when you hit at the distance?
narrow rampart
You do?
Never noticed
Tbh I rarely rely on sound indicators in the middle of fights
So many things are going off at once, it's hard to keep track of
novel quarry
yeah at some point in elysium i just start mashing buttons haha
or witches’ circle in asphodel
panic moment
small stirrup
I'm good at heroes cause of how well the fight is telegraphed audio wise and visual wise
Even with archers when they take aim, the reticle that focuses on you has a sound that increases in pitch until its shot
Prefect shots with the bow also have a audio cue
onyx folio
is contrarily a word
left wolf
is there any way to increase the amount of daedalus anvil spawns?
boreal summit
hammer?
left wolf
yeah
left wolf
yikes. would be fun to sometimes focus on a weapon build instead of skills
winged patio
what’s the best rail gun synergy
livid comet
done
FB nailed
I love merciful end so much
it's how I got my first ever win
with max zag shield
onyx folio
is there any recommendation for aspect priority with spear btw
livid comet
Guan Yu 100%
onyx folio
not 4th aspect
livid comet
it's the only spear
onyx folio
dont have that unlocked lol
livid comet
uhh, anything that isn't achilles
boreal summit
I think Guan Yu is bad personally
onyx folio
aside from zagreus the other 2 feel gimmicky as hell
livid comet
zag spear is the best one aside from guan yu imo
livid comet
not sure what you find bad about GY tbh
it's got the best spear flourish and the fastest dash attacks
on top of having an actually decent base attack damage
most usable spear
onyx folio
do you guys prefer cthonic vitality or dark regen
livid comet
room for error is low, for sure but it also makes it relatively straightforward to use
untold quiver
@boreal summit I don't believe fated authority can do that
livid comet
dark regen if you're not doing bounties
onyx folio
i generally take cthonic for consistent heals but ive been thinking about switching it out
livid comet
vitality for if you're doing heats you've done before
onyx folio
im probably doing mirror hella wrong lol
livid comet
dark regen gives you hella HP
onyx folio
should probably be in hades for new players i guess
livid comet
hammer can't be rerolled
unless you buy the forge thing at styx
and usually it's a bad plan to do that
untold quiver
The game locks you out of getting Hammers at 2
boreal summit
hmm ok
livid comet
only way to get more than 2 hammers is to get the randomiser forge from charon at styx
livid comet
it randomly removes one hammer that you have and gives you two random ones
boreal summit
thats the anvil yes
livid comet
I say "randomly" but usually it's the better of the two crap hammers I get
novel quarry
i got two hammer in elysium a few hours ago, although i missed my hammer from the first two levels
livid comet
so I just never buy it these days
novel quarry
yeah anvil screwed me over big time once lmao
livid comet
yeah, hammers will keep spawning until you have two.
novel quarry
oh sweet
untold quiver
So, the normal thing is you get a hammer in Tartarus and one in Elysium
You can reroll and get one earlier
If you don't pick one up in Tartarus until you make it up I can show up in shops or more choices.....which is where it can seem like you get more than two
novel quarry
i read somewhere that the first has to spawn in tartarus or asphodel
i mean asphodel not elysium
boreal summit
there was a point where I was starting w a hammer for like 4 runs in a row
livid comet
no
novel quarry
but yeah clearly not the case
novel quarry
yeah
livid comet
and if you don't pick it up, it'll keep spawning in rooms
novel quarry
just gotta get lucky
untold quiver
I believe there will always be one in Tartarus unless a very unusual set of circumstances
livid comet
95% chance I think
boreal summit
the game will def spam you with hammers if you dont pick them up
novel quarry
don’t think that’s the case
livid comet
it's not 100% but pretty close
untold quiver
That's absolutely true it tres to make sure you get those hammers, some builds don't care as much though I don't always take two
boreal summit
hammers are good
sullen valley
Hammers usually up your base damage with something, if not a utility boost
boreal summit
better than getting a legendary boon IMO
sullen valley
Duos are better than Legendaries imo
untold quiver
It all depends on what the synergy is
sullen valley
Fair I guess
Also aw
quick valve
I was really happy with Minerva/Zeus when I had Demertes’ Cast but I haven’t been able to get that combo ever again.
quick valve
I meant Artemis. I’m an idiot sometimes
winged patio
which rail gun synergy is best
hollow sage
i just had ||Asterius|| give me the line to unlock gilgamesh when i was wielding guan yu???
is that normal
quick valve
Whichever Duo makes lightning strikes near your casts? With Demertes’ Cast it’s really easy to place it at the right spot
untold quiver
Which rail gun @winged patio ?
livid comet
@hollow sage yup
untold quiver
But the fists are awesome so win/win yeah ;) ?
livid comet
it's just about the amount of blood you invest into said weapon
to get its aspect line iirc
hollow sage
yeah it wasn't all bad, i like fists. very fast
boreal summit
unless you spam dash strike
untold quiver
Yeah, but they hit harder so it's okay 😁
I have started playing spear for my "hit fast" fix, the buff to Achilles makes that on dashtastic
untold quiver
It's certainly very forgiving I just can't step away from Posidon Blade if I'm on Stygius
untold quiver
If I'm doing Melee I'm doing fast melee I do my deliberate combat from range
Why wouldn't you be going for exit wounds?
untold quiver
Woah, don't need that kind of talk man
I mean there are some cart builds that don't look for it.....curse of Drowning, hunting blades, I just think they work better elsewhere
livid comet
HOLY CRAP
EURYDICE POG
upgraded the rarity on greatest reflex
...to heroic
six ath dashes bby
onyx folio
dash only build wehn
scenic walrus
That sword upgrade that changes the slash to a vertical attack looks like a nerf to me, guys
So slow
Do you guys use it?
scenic walrus
Like sword wasn't risky enough
next moss
at least it doesnt cut your hp by 60%
scenic walrus
I asked because maybe I'm using it wrong, i don't know
next moss
im not much better 😄 maybe its actually awesome
i find it to be decent, nothing more
it does have the value of frontloading the damage instead of spreading it over three hits
making you have less vulnerable frames
untold quiver
I almost never base attack with the blade so I don't think I've ever taken it
untold quiver
No I play Posidon Blade so mostly cast and dash attack
small stirrup
Oh yeah that makes sense
glad frigate
So I uh
Had a pretty fun run with Coronacht's hidden Aspect ||Rama||
Where I got a crap ton of Zeus triggers off of my Special
Namely Tempest Flourish (knockback), into Second Wave, and with Sea Storm, triggering Double Strike, High Voltage, Splitting Bolt and some other things
Is this what power feels like?
small stirrup
I'd say Nemesis with 4 dash boons, art attack and dash with aphro on special is what power feels like to me
onyx folio
guys i got daedalus hammer concentrated knuckle, colossal knuckle or kinetic launcher with heroic ares attack boon on punch gloves
untold quiver
I'm starting to really come around to the Athena dash Aphrodite attack for melee stuff
glad frigate
But that needs effort
I could just stand there and hold Special and the room would be removed of life
onyx folio
colossal sounds preddy nice for 30% less damage taken
idk
dunno which i should go for
small stirrup
concentrated is my usual
glad frigate
Not smart enough to know the top tier choice, but I'd go with Concentrated
onyx folio
i got aphrodite room 2 with epic attack boon followed by ares with the clutch heroic attack
in tartarus
so tbh if i lose i threw
onyx folio
yeah i know i just did it before
its just super obnoxious
crashing as soon as the computer sleeps or i tab out makes me not want to play the game sometimes tbh
small stirrup
There are some fixes for it
I suggest you take a look at them
Or you could ask in #h1-tech-support
spark lotus
Is sword dash-strike a thrust? Choosing a hammer for Nemesis
small stirrup
Sadly no
small stirrup
If it were then double edge and shadow thrust would objectively be the best hammers
boreal summit
would be busted
spark lotus
Then, what hammers are best for that aspect?
small stirrup
Double edge
That's all you need for it to work
The rest is art on dash and attack
And a lot of chaos
cunning urchin
Hm.
cunning urchin
Divine Strike and Divine Dash are ideal if clearing is the issue.
- Deadly Strike for Deadly Reversal.
spark lotus
Modded Hades to have rerolls on hammers, no Double Edge after 2 rolls lmao
crude vessel
patroclus choices are all so trash
cunning urchin
spark lotus
No
small stirrup
Took you a while 
cunning urchin
I'm not even home yet from school.
untold quiver
@crude vessel why do you think that?
I don't run it really yet, what does he do for stubborn Defiance?
analog sail
It's +50% health, so your SD restores 80% of max health
crystal flare
hey everyone, got any build tips/advice on using the bow for newbies?
crude vessel
because the first 2 options are only if you are bad or messed up in a major way and third is only useful if your build is around your attack... and the buff is only temporary
analog sail
Hydralite is good if you're missing 50% or more health and you have 2 or more DDs
I almost never take jerky myself
next moss
i dont like patroclus on normal defiance
it becomes a game of "did you encounter him? lol you win"
im starting to run stubborn defiance to force myself to not spend all my money and floors reloading death defiance
ebon tinsel
are you incentivised not to use dd?
cuz i find using it as a resource in final boss allows me to beat it faster
untold quiver
@crude vessel if you start to increase you heat levels you will appreciate them more, the value goes up as difficulty increases
As you get more used to the rooms/fights @next moss you reliance on DD goes down 😁
small stirrup
brittle wind
How to get companion?? I'm on my 40th run always talk to everyone I met but I never got meg quest or sysyphus quest
I already give 2 nectar to bouldy but I can't see the bouldy progression anywhere
small stirrup
Bouldy doesn't have a progresion
Give it time
Keep exhausting their dialouge
When in doubt, do more runs
brittle wind
Already got the credit rolling for finishing... but no companion
untold vortex
have you given nectar to Nyx?
untold vortex
have you unlocked the admin chambers?
brittle wind
administrative chamber yes
untold vortex
sounds like dialogue RNG being a booli in that case
brittle wind
I don't what else I should do lol... hades never gives me the quest to build the thing... I already saves some diamond to build it right away since forever
untold vortex
when in doubt do more runs
light mango
So guys, what do you think is the best Mirror Build?
cunning urchin
Depends on too many things. There's no general best.
ebon tinsel
yeah im around 60 runs, have all aspects but no companions lol, got credits n everything
so its just rng hunter
brittle wind
I see... i think i'm the only one 😂🤣
Like there is one button that never got to use forever in my playtime
untold quiver
I love it when stuff like that happens
rare kayak
too bad rare crop isnt hitting it so its a base cast
and perse keepsake isnt hitting it either feelsbadman
hushed ledge
The fact that the new player build guide has 2 total recommendations outside of the 4 A's is hilarious to me and idk why
untold quiver
They are solid and forgiving Athena dash is probably the best learning curve ability in the game
hushed ledge
Athena dash is just good in general imo
untold quiver
@rare kayak I had a Hera Bow run where I had to take a Posidon boon in like the second or third room so I was like eh....and then the next Dio was premium vintage, in like early Tartarus...that was a buff run for sure
@hushed ledge it absolutely is
hushed ledge
It's really good for learning the game, but as you get better you can also abuse it to be insanely greedy
untold quiver
Someone like @cunning urchin would be able to answer better than me but I don't believe any of the things that are "good for beginners" end up not being "great for higher heats"
hushed ledge
I don't think almost any are either ye
cunning urchin
Lol
hushed ledge
Although I think some things definitely fall off a tad
small stirrup
I think a lot things fall off high heat
cunning urchin
Yeah, all the "newbie builds" in my guide are essentially what we run at extreme heats.
untold quiver
Yeah that's what I figured, the things that make them effect at high heat, make them very forgiving at low heat
hushed ledge
4A's are just damn good
small stirrup
Artemis, Athena, Aphro?
untold quiver
Ares
cunning urchin
45+-ish, you really just focus on 1 or 2 core boons because you can't rely on getting more than that that has any synergy.
Best DPS on what?
untold quiver
Huh...that's pretty much how I look at things when I plan anyway...one or two boons, everything else gravy.... though I'm less interested in "can I be X heat level" than "how high a heat can I beat with X build"
cunning urchin
I talked about it with @hard holly the other day. It's very close between Lightning Strike and Curse of Agony. You can scroll down from here and read: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/757583035628519455
untold quiver
Is he still saying "Maim is a trap" everytime someone mentions the 4th fists aspect?
cunning urchin
Not exactly. We can't really tell if Curse of Agony or Lightning Strike ends up being higher.
Even with a parser it would be very difficult to get any good data on it. Too many factors.
@untold quiver should still spoiler-tag new content. Especially now that there are so many new players.
hard holly
I'd argue lightning strike has higher potential thanks to uh
The legendary
I can't recall its name
cunning urchin
Splitting Bolt.
untold quiver
Fixed it thanks
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony would do better than Lightning Strike the more scattered mobs are.
hard holly
Does support fire actually spawn an arrow off of every enemy hit with the same attack?
untold quiver
I think it's each hit....serrated point dash attack fires 3 but niva fires 1
hard holly
New thing to try out: explosive + piercing fire with support fire
Time to crash the game
cunning urchin
Whereas Lightning Strike benefits more from mobs concentrating in one spot.
untold quiver
Hey @cunning urchin , going by your "Athena attack or dash for Melee" mantra....which one do you feel is the call for the spear? Cause serrated point makes me wanna go attack to get hunter dash, but does the dash strike deflect well v the dash?
cunning urchin
Divine Strike works fine, yeah.
untold quiver
When I feel comfortable enough with my manuvering to drop heartbreak strike I'll keep that in mind
untold quiver
Yeah I'm still working on my manuvering with melee so I'm doin Heartbreak, but I'm aware it's a crutch I should be able to move past......or not if I don't get good enough.....one of the good things about Hades
untold quiver
Oh is it? I would have thought with the damage reduction the damage would be lower...I menr crutch as in if I get better at avoiding damage that I can trade up to something that deals more damage that's all
rare kayak
man my favourite part of ice wine is actually being able to hit things with it
rather than throwing it out and hoping it lands at the right time
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and Flourish have the highest +% modifier.
untold quiver
Oh well then
hard holly
Yup
untold quiver
The only time I take Trippy cast is in Hera Bow
Because I can't ever hit stuff with it otherwise lololol
hard holly
Artemis has potentially higher modifiers, but theyre RNG
Athena is lower, Poseidon is lowest
onyx folio
f
hard holly
Same values as Athena I believe
upper salmon
I think dem is second highest iirc
unkempt pagoda
dem has Pretty Good™️ modifiers
untold quiver
I like Demeter, but I like her when I'm doing like .....a lot of her boons
onyx folio
she requires mad investment to be good unlike ares/athena/artemis
upper salmon
I think her biggest problem with building is she's very bottom heavy?
like most gods have their 5 core boons
and maybe one or two more with no prereqs
cunning urchin
Attack: Heartbreak > Deadly, Divine, Frost > Tempest
Special: Heartbreak > Deadly, Tempest > Divine, Frost
upper salmon
Demeter has a lot more base boons
onyx folio
i like demeter purely because of ravenous will, rare crop and nourished soul
really good passive boosts
untold quiver
I don't know, chill explosion, wasting, damage reduction from not having your casts
You'd want a fast attack....and something else is probably better, but you can still do solid mono Demeter
upper salmon
as in like
low echo
what goes well with demeter tho?
upper salmon
The fact that there's so many base boons
Makes it less likely you'll get attack/special/etc
torpid wren
-Reading the chat- So...|| Gilgamesh|| can't get the boost to attack speed from Hermes? No wonder I almost never(or never) see it... That's uh--unfortunate.
robust anchor
using the sword how the heck do i deal with the hot wheels besides getting a dash boon
bright flint
dash through the obstacles so the hot wheels crash into them
cunning urchin
Just dash back and forth across gaps or through obstacles.
untold quiver
Or lead them through the egg explosions.....but yeah all the solutions without like Athena dash are "run away" lol
torpid wren
there's also like... the random chance you'd find the charon well offer that deletes them from the area
untold quiver
I think it says something about how brutal those rooms are that thy actually give you a chance to pay to clear them
cunning urchin
You can dash-strike them with the tip of your sword if you feel so bold.
brittle vault
btw, have the last couple of patches nerfed enemies? in 1.0 i find myself a lot more effective than i used to be
cunning urchin
Longspears were nerfed in 1.0.
brittle vault
nah, i just feel more powerful in every situation. like enemies all have less health.
cunning urchin
Nope, some elite variants are less likely to show up.
You can see the full list here. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688884011499520/756176142792130680
@vivid crag use F10 in game to report bugs.
untold vortex
To add to that #hades-feedback isn't the place to report in game bugs, so please read the pinned messages in full in that channel
cunning urchin
To add to that, give all your Nectar and Ambrosia to Lady Aphrodite.
untold vortex
Ofc, who else would you give nectar too, definitely not bouldy
vivid crag
Oh sorry my bad. Will do :)
toxic terrace
What is considered the best cast for a cast + exit wounds build?
toxic terrace
I had one going with Artemis' cast which seemed pretty good. Would have beat redacted no problem if I had been able to pick up any more ammo
Ok cool
Yeah it was on Poseidon sword, exit wounds seems kinda useless without?
charred ruin
Artemis cast is homing and goes through shields, so it's very easy to play safe with it and focus more on evading.
white swan
Anyone got any tips for shield builds? They seem to always be slower than my other runs
charred ruin
Anyone got any tips for shield builds? They seem to always be slower than my other runs
@white swan chaos shield and put a good boon on the special
solid cairn
ares
white swan
Ah mine's just lvl 2 so that might be why it feels so weak
charred ruin
max it out obviously
I've been working on an "advanced" video guide for Hades, covering the ranges of 0-20 heat. How to build the character during a run, how to avoid getting hit etc.
I could use some peer review from other experienced players to make sure I didn't write anything inaccurate or forgot something important.
zealous spade
Does Sweet Nectar duo work with the Pom keepsake?
untold quiver
I haven't had the two come up yet, but the keepsake isn't a Pom that your picking up so I'm guessing no
zealous spade
thanks dude guess I'm going to check it
snow furnace
yeah it doesn't someone else tried it
tidal edge
what are good aspects/weapons that don't need super specific hammers/boons? looking for ones that I can take into higher heat runs as I progress
I've been mostly using hades spear but it feels kinda bad if I don't get something like serrated point
narrow rampart
uhh, anything that isn't achilles
@livid comet hello just saw this and i would like to say that Achilles is basically the best cast aspect
beefy cast buff ahoy
uh I didn't mean to ping, sorry
vivid crag
mmmmmm... trying to report a visual bug with F10 just made my game crash on the victory screen and didn't count the run. i spawned back in the weapon room.
vivid crag
ah it worked. thanks a lot. completely deleted my save file for a sec bc i am a special kind of idiot but i managed to recover it again hahaha. also got my run back. thanks :')
charred ruin
what are good aspects/weapons that don't need super specific hammers/boons? looking for ones that I can take into higher heat runs as I progress
@tidal edge Chaos shield, Nemesis sword, Chiron Bow, Talos Fists
tidal edge
thanks
do any of the spear aspects work with whatever you can find? and how about the arthur blade?
hard holly
Hades' aspect is probably good with anything
Arthur doesnt really care much for hammers
More precisely, most hammers are kinda meh on it
charred ruin
Zegreus bow if you are good at nailing the power shot
unkempt pagoda
you want either shadow slash or double edge on arthur tbh
barren otter
-Reading the chat- So... ||Gilgamesh|| can't get the boost to attack speed from Hermes? No wonder I almost never(or never) see it... That's uh--unfortunate.
I definitely have gotten it before.
unkempt pagoda
it's not like you can get much else anyways lol
tidal edge
are there any good hades spear runs I can watch that aren't hammer reliant? IDK how to do good damage without serrated point or exploding launcher lol
barren otter
what are good aspects/weapons that don't need super specific hammers/boons? looking for ones that I can take into higher heat runs as I progress
Hestia rail is really good. I mean, I've done a 32 heat run without even getting an attack boon until the very end.
chrome geyser
about the chaos shild; it feels much weaker now that the extra shoot in a cone
or am i too used to having zeus flourish on it for all encompasing aoe damage?
Using aim assist; I think the strongest weapon right now is lucifer rail.
unkempt pagoda
it functions more of a shotgun now
torpid wren
i think they feel weaker because they lack that chaotic bounce...unless they still got it
chrome geyser
I'll give it another go
unkempt pagoda
imo it's definitely a nerf
magic dagger
there's no chaos in the chaos shield
chrome geyser
Cause i switched to naegling after the chaos change; and it does not really feel as fun to play with
magic dagger
but, it functions better at range against single targets
so that's... something I guess
torpid wren
i feel like Chiron bow replaced chaos for me
chrome geyser
My favourite weapons so far are lucifer rail, zagreus fists, chiron bow, hestia rail, eris rail, hera bow, zeus shield
magic dagger
the Zag shield is actually dope
chrome geyser
I might be spoiled after playing with beowulf; but I swear the shield block rodius got smaller this update or the previous update. It's not as easy to block for me
What was the bonus for the zag shield?
unkempt pagoda
currently it's +15 damage for attack/dash attack
old zag shield was up to 10% damage resistance
chrome geyser
the wiki needs a big update for the final content
Oh also had some success playing with zeus shield. It's actually pretty good.
chrome geyser
The block seems hard for me on a controller; on mouse it's easier for sure
chrome geyser
Yes
empty robin
Oh ok
chrome geyser
I read as artemis' dash
not hermes attack speed boost
What is the delay between frames of attack action and the bullet? I imagine it's only a few if there is. In that case probably not.
acoustic venture
wait 
After a certain story event you are able to || use any companions vs Hades ||
thats a fantastic change
chrome geyser
It seems I am having a lot of trouble with EM4 with melee weapons. Does anyone have any tips?
Wait what? I think I tried to do that with the last addition; but it did not work.
Is that true @acoustic venture
tidal edge
is dash attack spam optimal with updated zag blade?
magic dagger
yeah
double edge is still the best hammer for it
but you can abuse the speed buff with some builds
tidal edge
that's a shame, I think the basic attacks feel a lot more satisfying than the dash attacks
chrome geyser
I though hoarding slash was the best hammer for the sword? I really enjoy the faster attack with the hoarding slash
next moss
oo
i never tried hoarding slash since i started doing "buy everything on styx" runs
hoarding slash with 1k gold
lmao
magic dagger
hoarding slash can be good, but double edge will pretty much always be the best dps upgrade to the sword
chrome geyser
I go for that specifically; and the bonus is base damage so it gets multiplicative with boons.
ill take your word over mine; I still did not defeat the EM4 with the sword
cunning urchin
Hoarding Slash is added after everything else.
It's not affected by boons at all.
chrome geyser
Really? I could have sworn the numbers increased multiplicatively for me
maybe i was miscalculating
cunning urchin
That's what I've been told by whoever did the research back then. Maybe test it again.
I don't play Stygius that much, personally.
chrome geyser
I forgot which files to read; i used to look these up myself
haughty nymph
So...is the new twin fist aspect any good?
Been out of the game loop for a while, catching up on a lot 😄
chrome geyser
BTW is cluster bomb compatible with lucifer?
untold quiver
@haughty nymph I'm liking it so far, still figuring out how I wanna run it, easy contender for a dash striker build and the maim effect triggers off curse of longing apparently
haughty nymph
Naisu
snow furnace
yeah I really like it
you can also go ruthless reflex
and still have fun playing the game
without hermes boons
chrome geyser
that sounds more like a bug really. I tried it; I like the main attack; but currently a lot of my dash uppers do not register and maim does not feel worth the return of investment. Also; the damage may be nice; but it's too infrequent to actually feel useful.
snow furnace
cluster bomb works with luci
chrome geyser
I have not gotten it so far ;_; i really want to do that build
tidal hawk
Ok question time
Do I start builds based on boons or what
Up until this point I kinda just roll with what I get
chrome geyser
Depends. I try not to
chrome geyser
I'll see what is the first 2-3 gods i get and go from there
tidal hawk
Depending on build?
snow furnace
if you want to be more effective, plan on at least one core boon in advance with your weapon
tidal hawk
Like the ring that makes Zeus boons better
snow furnace
I mean you can see what you get and reset and change weapons, but I highly recommend the keepsakes
limber pine
it's fun to RNG and see how it goes, sometimes you get a great run, other times you get terrible boons but still manage to complete and you wonder how did you do that
snow furnace
sure
tidal hawk
Would I equip that to base a build?
chrome geyser
I think the coin purse for first biome is the way to go; since it gets multiplied 3 times by golden touch
tidal hawk
Or just use other things
chrome geyser
Also; not pidgeonholing yourself to a god really improves your gameplay. And makes things more diverse.
snow furnace
the keepsakes are nice because not only do they guarantee one boon, but you can have almost a guaranteed rare boon too with the mirror
chrome geyser
But if I get a good critical build going; I'll probably force aphrodite to get the artemis aphrodite duo; or if I have poseidon; I'll try to go for athena for their duo boon; stuff like that.
limber pine
oh, golden touch is pretty good. I didn't upgrade that because I thought it was meh
chrome geyser
The plus rarity does not outweigh a lot of the other keepsakes; but that's my opinion
chrome geyser
The guarantee you find god is the true point of those keepsakes
tidal hawk
idk if thats just me being bad or not knowing how to build
snow furnace
yes
tidal hawk
nice
snow furnace
in the endgame you don't want to use the god keepsakes
but before styx they're great
tidal hawk
How good is egg?
prisma raven
i love the egg
tidal hawk
I run egg sometimes for free stuff
chrome geyser
Egg is awesome if you find light of ixion on the pool before moving biomes
snow furnace
but if you don't get tons of items, then it's meh
chaos is always good though
but egg is only worth it if you've gotten like 2 or 3 gates
tidal hawk
So how should I start my runs then?
snow furnace
and know you're going to take them
chrome geyser
but that's not because of removing the health cost; but increased rarity. Egg works twice as good as the god keepsakes
snow furnace
shackle, coinpurse, or god keepsake
tidal hawk
Ah
snow furnace
if low heat, then either coin purse or god keepsake
tidal hawk
Coin purse = free touch money
prisma raven
quick question: if you have +25% attack damage and then crit, is that 225% damage or 250% damage
tidal hawk
or so I've been told
snow furnace
yeah but usually touch isn't worth it
you can make more than you would than the other one
but you might as well take boons in charon
chrome geyser
its (1 + .25) * (1 + 2.0) = 3.75
chrome geyser
snow furnace
yeah thanks
tidal hawk
So gold touch trash?
snow furnace
no, just not worth it often
prisma raven
thanks, i'll take a look
snow furnace
depends on heat too
chrome geyser
Unless they changed the formula for the new update; crit is multiplicative with everything else
cunning urchin
It's bad on high heat, yes.
tidal hawk
Also I've heard that stubborn defiance is good high heat
snow furnace
cause you need good tartarus
tidal hawk
is true?
snow furnace
yes
tidal hawk
dang
snow furnace
because it's the only way to heal
cunning urchin
But we're talking like 40+.
snow furnace
yeah
limber pine
yeah you can die before the next stage for free heal
snow furnace
before then it's preference really
prisma raven
high heat makes standard chambers more of threat compared to bosses so you're more likely to die in an encounter compared to low heat
so it makes sense that SD would be better for heat
tidal hawk
Only time I defy is like
cunning urchin
Bosses are still the greater threat.
cunning urchin
Nah.
cunning urchin
It's just the simple fact that Stubborn Defiance circumvents maxed-out Lasting Consequences.
tidal hawk
I've used extreme measures before
chrome geyser
I have done EM4; bosses ARE the greater threat. (Rooms are more of threat than they were; but bosses still outpace rooms in terms of threat)But from what I understand; the heat that makes you heal 0% makes it so that Stubborn Defiance is the only heal you can get
tidal hawk
it was pretty okj
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Extreme Measures bosses + FO2 + CP2 + HL5 etc. with few very boons is something else.
Those questions are better suited for #h1-high-heat-strategies, though.
tidal hawk
fair
chrome geyser
Isn't high heat around like 30 and above?
chrome geyser
I like staying around 15
snow furnace
I think high heat is higher than 30
tidal hawk
I might go high heat soon
snow furnace
like 40 maybe
cunning urchin
There's no definite cut-off.
tidal hawk
I can't remember the last time I lost a game on low heat
snow furnace
that's just kind of what I think
chrome geyser
I switched to controller so I'm lower than i used to and i still can lose some low heat games
cunning urchin
For me personally, 32 is chill and kinda low. So I'm probably talking 40+ whenever I say "high heat".
snow furnace
that's the base game lol
chrome geyser
depends on what you get I think
tidal hawk
20 is like in the middle somewhere
snow furnace
true
silk anvil
For me personally, 32 is chill and kinda low. So I'm probably talking 40+ whenever I say "high heat".
@cunning urchin
32 heat is chill?
chrome geyser
if your heat comes from forced overtime only; then it's pretty hard
tidal hawk
I kinda want to test myself
I'm doing a higher heat run after this
with my best stuff
I got this
snow furnace
heat is now the education system lol
cunning urchin
@silk anvil I'm just talking about my personal experience.
silk anvil
Granted, with a rework of how the time-limited run works, I can see some things being easier
Its been a hot minute since I've played so I'm still new to recent reworks and additions,
silk anvil
I cant stand Shield XD but it seems the way people beat max heat runs
cunning urchin
I'm top 3 in high heat, so 32 being chill is not really the standard lol.
silk anvil
Well, the heat-to-tradeoff bonus isnt really standard or fair among the debuffs, I dont think; I'll need to play again tonight and see what builds I can come up with
But on the same note, how much of your runs depend on getting exactly the right boons when you need them?
I didnt realize this channel now has a #h1-high-heat-strategies , so I suppose I can saunter over there to tall about this, but yeh
cunning urchin
32 and below, none really.
I mean it's pretty easy to force whatever core boons you want at that heat.
And you don't really need more than a good Attack or Special and maybe a good Dash.
silk anvil
And do you say that ubiquitously across all weapons?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
silk anvil
Nifty
I guess I could always try getting good
I just cant imagine some builds / boons as anywhere near viable, regardless of player skill, when paired up against some heat modifiers
cunning urchin
Well, then you don't pick those builds.
silk anvil
I'm especially not fond of the way the 'elite shielded enemies' turned some of the mooks into minibosses
I did a few runs with max damage, no heal, fast enemies, and elites, and quickly noped out of that
hard holly
Or just dont pick those heat modifiers
cunning urchin
^
silk anvil
but how else will I become the max heat man? @hard holly
hard holly
See that sounds like a combination of heat options I would love
If I were better
Things like Damage control, or higher health I do not like
cunning urchin
Little tip for most aspects: build for Smoldering Air, and you're cruising to victory.
tidal hawk
that inflicts weak
prisma raven
charged shot is always good
cunning urchin
I have LC4 FO2 TD2 on in all of my runs, personally.
Also Stubborn Defiance 100% of the time.
mighty ermine
@torpid wren late response but that's not true; fists' hidden aspect can receive hermes attack speed boons
dunno where that came from
silk anvil
@cunning urchin funny, were the same but swap LC for HL
hard holly
Whats TD again?
bright flint
the time one
hard holly
Ah
snow furnace
tight deadline
acoustic venture
Is that true @acoustic venture
@chrome geyser completely true
snow furnace
puts you on a 9/7/5 minute timer, adding that amount of time each biome
so lets say you're on the easiest
bronze sorrel
I'm especially not fond of the way the 'elite shielded enemies' turned some of the mooks into minibosses
@silk anvil
Elite enemies with benefits package is actually probably my favorite pact. Adds some variety when you've been playing a while
snow furnace
you have 9 minutes in tartarus
hard holly
Ill probably work my way up to maxed out Extreme Measures, Hard Labour and Forced Overtime
hard holly
And lasting consequences
Its not quite my favourite of the old pact options
Which was enemies doing 600% damage
snow furnace
I really like low jury summons if I'm running zeus
literally free heat
and it inflates your ego
hard holly
But its an approximation
silk anvil
@silk anvil
Elite enemies with benefits package is actually probably my favorite pact. Adds some variety when you've been playing a while
@bronze sorrel
It's been a minute since I've done it, but every shielded enemy launching DBZ fireballs at me, and teleporting to slap me with their fist was not my idea of a fun time
snow furnace
you feel so much better at the game
turbid halo
I'm still just working my way up through the heat rankings lol
So many weapon aspects so little titan's blood
It gets even worse because I'm a lot lower on Poseidon aspect sword than I used to be
And I want to switch to nemesis
hard holly
Same
bronze sorrel
DBZ fireballs? I want that on my enemies.
hard holly
Im like 40 Titan Bloods away from maxing everything
silk anvil
I prolly should get better with the forced overtime, but I got tired of skulls flying at me 1000 miles per hour and ZagMan not increasing his pace to match my wicked fast Inputs Per Second
cunning urchin
I tend to avoid JS CP DC unless I play Malphon. Then it's max rank for all of them always.
turbid halo
I remember playing when the Artemis/Poseidon duo was just a regular boon, and it was SO busted
It let casts scale so hard
hard holly
Here is one option I want
turbid halo
Cast boon is base damage, poseidon is +50%, and double shots is multiplicative ❤️
hard holly
The ability to prevent certain enemies from spawning
The one thing that I would hate with max damage etc.
Is those stupid flame wheels
zenith anvil
So what are some of the first aspects I should work on / unlock? I did the chaos shield and I feel very underwhelmed
bronze sorrel
Ya, though I honestly think the flame wheel fear is over hyped. You just lead the pack in a circle and dash through a wall and watch them blow up
gritty bronze
Where am i allowed to ask for tips?
silk anvil
Ya, though I honestly think the flame wheel fear is over hyped. You just lead the pack in a circle and dash through a wall and watch them blow up
@bronze sorrel
But then you dont get the satisfaction of punching an exploding chariot
magic dagger
literally anywhere @gritty bronze
bronze sorrel
Here, new player channel, whereevee
hard holly
The problem is their explosion is kinda janky
magic dagger
any hades channel
hard holly
Sometimes they refuse to blow up for me
silk anvil
we're the Zag-Man, we dont have time to play it safe
hard holly
Also running away is lame
bronze sorrel
I like to imagine Zagreus, having absconded with one of his father's many red capes, performs a matador like routine to get the flame wheels chasing him, and then does a matrix flip off a wall watching them all crash into it.
Then running away feels cool
analog sail
Learn to dodge fast, as soon as he moves
silk anvil
Having 1 extra dodge always helps me, because sometimes even with 2-dash I can sometimes still get clipped by that infernal radius
magic dagger
practice dodging his spin - if you run for a moment before dashing, you can get clear of it with just one dash. also, if you time the dash right, you can just i-frame through the spin, meaning that you can actually stay right on top of him and keep attacking when the spin is over.
gritty bronze
Huh
silk anvil
you may find that your want to be safe is actually getting you killed
Stay in there and never let up!
i-frame timing pls
gritty bronze
I usually can't see his moves tho
With everything going on
magic dagger
for his stab, just move a little to the side
don't get hit by the cast, it doubles all damage you receive
gritty bronze
I was wondering how he was dealing 50 damage per hit
magic dagger
I usually can't see his moves tho
With everything going on
a white circle appears before he spins
he pulls his spear back momentarily before stabbing
silk anvil
don't get hit by the cast, it doubles all damage you receive
@magic dagger
For all the runs I've played, I never knew what the effect of getting skull'd did, lmao, thanks
bronze sorrel
a white circle appears before he spins
he pulls his spear back momentarily before stabbing
@magic dagger
Yes, it stands out very clearly against the background. Of snow.
magic dagger
the cast is pretty predictable, if he stops when he's not right on top of you he's going to cast
I couldn't describe the windup to save my life though
silk anvil
Yeah, it's a bit of a game-feel type of thing. It can take a few tries with ||pops|| before you can kinda just read what moves they're doing
And a bit longer before you can kinda just reliably do stuff with those reads
magic dagger
Yes, it stands out very clearly against the background. Of snow.
it...uh... does. actually.
it's pretty distinctive, you just have to focus on the game and be ready for it
silk anvil
start with coin purse?
@tidal hawk
The trinket?
I always like to guide what gods I get first, money isnt really an issue; (but then again, I dont casually run 50 heat games)
tidal hawk
yeah
bronze sorrel
it...uh... does. actually.
it's pretty distinctive, you just have to focus on the game and be ready for it
@magic dagger
I just felt like being snarky. I agree lol.
silk anvil
it...uh... does. actually.
it's pretty distinctive, you just have to focus on the game and be ready for it
@magic dagger
I think the most distinctive thing about it is that it's almost always a 1(swipe)>2(swipe)>3(spin) pattern
Or he'll pause and either launch a skull or two +jab, or will spin ... just have to ask yourself "huh... its been a minute since hes attacked, hell probably do something right about now"
silk anvil
speaking of starting trinkets
- does the coin purse still not work if you equip it midway through a run?
- do god boon perks still only sometimes work when equipped midway through a run?
- what are the odds we will ever get to see game statistics for other players (boons/mirror/trinket + heat) data?
tidal hawk
Its time
bronze sorrel
GL
tidal hawk
I did tight deadline
silk anvil
so no, it does not always have that pattern
@magic dagger
I'm just a casual at the game, dont mind me, I dont know attack patterns cause I'm too busy dodging 24/7 to care ;~;
tidal hawk
better get a good run or I die
robust anchor
with hera bow having to pick up the cast cherries really hecked me in final boss. is it 3head to switch over to the regen cast for mirror lol
onyx parcel
Is there a way to get back blood u spent
torpid wren
nope
besides like... spending them on aspects and quitting immediately after testing
turbid halo
I've gone to stubborn and back again
Because currently my biggest problem is that I might go through more than one defiance on the last boss
unborn inlet
Is dyonisus the weakest olympian? It feels like demeter does a lot of his main abilities better.
analog sail
Poseidon is the weakest imo
magic dagger
with hera bow having to pick up the cast cherries really hecked me in final boss. is it 3head to switch over to the regen cast for mirror lol
@robust anchor with regen cast hera might as well be normal bow, unless you have bonus casts from wells/chaos
unborn inlet
Actually forgot about Poseidon
magic dagger
poseidon is good
analog sail
Dio has DoT, which is very useful sometimes
untold quiver
@unborn inlet what are you considering his "main abilities"? Damage reduction? Heals and flat damage bonus? DoT? High AoE cast?
torpid wren
Poseidon I don't understand... like... it almost never feels good knock things back and there's edgecases where knockback doesn't matter... I do like that one boon that gives you bonus damage at the start of encounters tho
unborn inlet
Rupture is brilliant, cause sometimes that knock around can be insta leathal against enemies
magic dagger
dio is also good
analog sail
Yeah but knockback isn't that good. The only thing I pick from him 100% of the time is the Aid
I hate poseidon dash with a passion so
unborn inlet
I mean Frankie, dio has hungover, which is kinda lesser to chill, he's got damage reduction (Which I'm not really a fan of, my main aim is to take less damage from not getting hit in the first place, and then he's got, that fountain ability and the nectar ability)
analog sail
Why are you comparing chill to DoT
unborn inlet
Not gonna lie, that 30% heal from an encounter when you're below it isn't that good, cause you don't want to be below 30% anyway
analog sail
Killing freeze has a high requirement
snow furnace
dionysus has call and a cast build
unborn inlet
Chill's damage and slowdown effect feels better than dio's sure he has more damage depending on how many hits you get in to inflict hangover, but the slowness you get from chill and the way it can be changed aren't fantastic
chrome geyser
Dionysus is less for the slow; but more for the damage. Dionysus outdamages the killing freeze by far; but requires frequent activation. Dionysus generally has great duo boons too.
analog sail
I guess it depends on what weapon you prefer, cause usually when I pick Dio I max stack on everything
chrome geyser
Though they compliment each other really nicely
lethal chasm
which is that for
analog sail
Bow
lethal chasm
word
i ALMOST beat hades w a bow last night, first run w it
first time getting to boss last
choked
tidal hawk
Dude
analog sail
Spoilers man
tidal hawk
I hate tight deadline
analog sail
TD is not for the faint of heart
solid sigil
first time i beat redacted was with the gun
tidal hawk
Too many enemies
lethal chasm
not sure what wep im most confident in now lol it was sheild but i cant rly kill theseus w it
spear and bow i could
tidal hawk
Jury summons is really killing me here
lethal chasm
gloves i always go really well till theseus aswell
chrome geyser
The only aspects I can think of that are useful with single level investment would be the hidden aspects for the sword, shield, bow and rail. Outside of that; hera for bow, poseidon for sword, achilles for spear, eris for rail, talos for fists.,
solid sigil
For people who don't know btw some people on here use redacted as an alternate name for ||hades||
lethal chasm
word thx
solid sigil
np
lethal chasm
yea zeus shield is nice
oh u didnt say that
_>
well it is
haha
kinda annoying but if you can manage it its cool
chrome geyser
Zeus shield has the perfect application cooldown to apply zeus bolt per tick.
chrome geyser
Zeus shield is my favourite shield to play.
mystic oracle
Hey, is Long Knuckle available for the Hidden Fists?
lament creek
fun fact: those vases in second part of hades fight count as traps
chrome geyser
I very very rarely use doom.
lament creek
they hit for 125 with the pact on
torpid wren
I'd say if you are curious to try a weapon out on skelly, you can spend your blood and quit to reuse them.
lament creek
rip my run
solid sigil
fun fact: those vases in second part of ||hades|| fight count as traps
I found that out the hard way, as i had a god run but lost due to the traps doing extra damage
solid sigil
I feel you 100% man
chrome geyser
fun fact: those vases in second part of ||hades|| fight count as traps
@lament creek thats one of the main reasons to get sure footing; pretty underwhelming otherwise
analog sail
No they hit fir 150 @lament creek
lament creek
might be 150
solid sigil
Regardless those traps killed my run and it sucks
analog sail
I know because I died to them on 32 heat and I'll never forget
chrome geyser
also; the athena poseidon dio prevents the stun there
lament creek
i got guilotinned twice by a big rat in the same run
chrome geyser
+400 is a bit too much I think.
solid sigil
I had a sword that healed for 2 health while attacking, i reflected while attacking and dashing, and when i didn't have any death defiances i would slowly recover health
but i got screwed by funny redacted trap
chrome geyser
The cowardly lion build
solid sigil
cowardly lion?
chrome geyser
Just joking; since its a lot of healing build
solid sigil
ah
chrome geyser
I probably should do similar since I can't beat SOMEONE on EM4 without a ranged weapon
solid sigil
despite having a healing build tho my health was like 80 something max
i had gotten something that reduced my max life tho i forget what bonus i got out of it
solid sigil
ah
chrome geyser
That and guan yu are the only max health reducers as far as i can remember
solid sigil
I always seem to find the sack in two tries
magic dagger
it's more likely to appear early than late, yeah
solid sigil
ah
So here's the big question tho, do i fight redacted now or do i go try go through more rooms to get more stuff?
bronze geyser
If your build handles the styx enemies really well, and you won't lose much hp, then go for it
solid sigil
I can't really gain back health so i think imma just send it and hope i can beat him
plus idk if i wanna chance dealing with the funny rat
bronze geyser
You can avoid funny rat by not taking the boss doors tho
turbid halo
How does the game determine which gods you get boons from? Is there a point at which the game decides "you won't be getting any new olympians"?
crude vessel
deflect on bow special deletes meg when she spits out those purple thingies
solid sigil
Oh wait does it tell you and im just dumb...
cunning urchin
Doing more tunnels is practically never worth it.