Yeah Beowulf moveset is one of the blander ones
#h1-builds-and-combat
hard holly
Gilgamesh suffers from Maim being a trap
So its just "Fist with slow heavy-hitting attacks and no dash upper"
pearl plank
don't forget rapid dash
hard holly
I dont value that very much, personally
pearl plank
It gives it an interesting interplay of the slow, heavy hitting normal attack, with the rapid swipes of the dash strike
Super fun with poseidon strike
hard holly
Im not a fan of the dashstrike since it does so little damage
hard holly
But its at least good for a reset
hard holly
Anyway Ill playtest Multiplicative Maim later to see if the weapon gets more interesting
pearl plank
Beo almost has the opposite problem where it's pretty good but not that interesting
hard holly
Yeah it just feels too close to base shield
Apparently its also not very myth-accurate?
I recall reading something like that
pearl plank
Yeah, my brother theorised it's meant to represent Beo's weakness being his back? But otherwise he was not known for his shield
hard holly
I wouldve kinda preferred if the shield aspect was instead a faster attacking one
pearl plank
Same
hard holly
Maybe have it be the thing with a counterattack
pearl plank
I would've preferred if the shield aspect didn't block while you charged
And it had some busted gimmick going on that made up for it
I actually thought that's how it worked initially because of the animation
valid locust
beowulfs cast charge animation thingy is super cool
hard holly
Maybe if I can figure out this whole modding thing
I can try my hand at custom aspects
untold quiver
It's the shield he used to fight the dragon, he died afterwards (hence the damage increase)
In the epic he literally walks up through the dragons fire breath even though it's burning him and kills it and then dies.... probably also why it has a special charge
hard holly
Admitively there arent a lot of shields in myth to pull from
Svalinn I guess
I dont think we have a norse rep, do we?
hearty elbow
Aspect of Zamazenta
hard holly
But the issue is Svalinn has no wielder
cunning urchin
Beowulf doesn't feel much like base shield at all. Can you charge, bull rush, pick up ammo during the rush, load it, and have it explode for big damage at the end of your charge with the base shield? 
hard holly
Aspect of Captain America
hearty elbow
The special feels only very slightly different though, it's mostly different numerically, and the attack is just not that special
hard holly
I mean
cunning urchin
Can you do insta-charge with three explosions back to back with base shield?
hard holly
Thats just bullrushing with extra steps
Like, the gimmick barely changes the playstyle
Its good
Just not very interesting
novel maple
which weapon(s) / aspect(s) would u recommend for a beginner?
hearty elbow
I think Excal, GY, and Rama are gold standards for weapons that have transformed movesets that make sense and have overarching synergies
rich kelp
Chiron bow, Nemesis Sword, Any Shield Except Zues
cunning urchin
I don't know how you're using Beowulf that it's not way different from base shield. Or maybe you play base shield in odd ways.
hearty elbow
Beowulf, Gilga, and Lucy kind of just feel like... parts that make a whole.
hearty elbow
Salty One
hard holly
Do you have 5 blood invested in the fists?
hearty elbow
Achilles didn't give me the GY line until past 50 runs
I had the prereqs at maybe about 20-25
valid locust
lol
@hard holly I have all fists maxed out on blood
😦
SGG RNG is the realest god out there
definitely up to the fates
😭
hard holly
Yeah got nothing then
After getting his fist dialogue I think he gave me the passphrase in the next run
hearty elbow
The worst were the streaks where he was on break or literally every other character in the world wanted a conversation with him. I guess I completed content in faster than normal order which confused the sequencing logic, because he informed me of the existence of the Infernal Arms at around 40
valid locust
😩 😩 😩
green plover
I did EM4 rn and I am shaking. I'm not the most skilled, so even with a pretty good Chaos Chaos Shield setup, I almost lost.
hearty elbow
It crushed me with base 15 heat (Hell Mode) my first attempt with fists lol.
Though to be fair I did not anticipate super elite wringers to spawn next to me.
green plover
Oh yeah, I had MM on so it was really tough.
hearty elbow
I thought Megagorgon and Soul Catcher bosses still blink around without MM up
green plover
It basically was ||Oh yeah all those things Zag does, Hades can as well.||
I only had one EM4 fight so I don't know.
valid locust
huh, so I just learned something new
hard holly
I think thats the one part that should be removed
valid locust
Poseidon/Zeus duo boon triggers every time with shield strikes because they cause knockbacks
same with shield bash since it causes a knockback
did not know that
😮
hearty elbow
... Has that always been the case? I swear I've tried that.
valid locust
no idea. don't find myself in this situation often if ever
hearty elbow
And most Poseidon boons only care about Poseidon knockbacks
That's pretty cool though, I wonder if you can triple dip with Tempest Strike + Second Wave + Shield attack
valid locust
Maybe, opens up shield attack builds
Just wanted to do chaos witb Poseidon for w/e reason.
Have demeter on attack, got jolt too, so doing regular shield attack applies two curses.
left wolf
just had my first em4 attempt. didnt expect the ||extra health bar|| and got immediately blown up by the initial shockwave without even seeing it coming because i stayed too close. died on the spot lol
had to look up em4 fight to understand what i died to
rich kelp
Lessoned learned, do NOT use Kinetic Launcher with Demeter, your demeter proc goes off AS you charge up special not on use, boo-urns
upper salmon
it's weird
Demeter's and seeking fire go off on cast charge
chaos procs off cast fire
hearty elbow
Huh? What do you mean as you charge the special? You should be able to fire multiple fireballs unless something has changed
rich kelp
whatever the charge up uppercut that launches you, i cant check the name rn but maybe i got the name wrong
but as you charge up special the demeter proc goes off while holding the button down
instead of on release
upper salmon
...I completely misunderstood
rich kelp
Flying Cutter myb
like 1 in 5 times it goes off on release instead of charge, super inconsistent and im using a brand new controller so i know its not that
hearty elbow
I did notice that, yeah, last time I used Demeter
Flying Cutter is very inconsistent
rich kelp
i tihnk its the dash upper thats makign it go off maybe
since that happens often before special
spark socket
sorry, but does anyone know if the pierced butterfly damage bonus stays even after you equip a different keepsake ?
rich kelp
It doesnt
upper salmon
It doesn't
spark socket
hm okay thanks, i guess thats a disadvantage of using it, cuz theres no way you wont get hit in styx
lunar salmon
lmao pb because ||Hades didn't wanna fight||
lilac geode
what's a decent weapon+boon combo that wouldn't be better off with zeus/ares?
lunar salmon
nvm it added the time in apparently :/
half crater
what's a decent weapon+boon combo that wouldn't be better off with zeus/ares?
aphro/arty on arthur
or any bow, really
athena on sword/fists
demeter/dio on rail
tho you can also do zeus there ofc
manic ruin
I'm using hera rn, what daedalus should i go? Explosive, triple, or charged volley?
manic ruin
Okay ty, was thinking that
hard holly
I cant imagine any weapon where Ares isnt suboptimal
But basically, spear, non-flurry sword, all bows, hestia rail and bullrush shield all want Aphrodite or Artemis on attack
I prefer triple shot, since it adds way more damage, but its harder to use
manic ruin
HA. Aspect of zeus shield w/ Doom special with stacking doom is so fun XD
It's so stupid I love it
untold quiver
@manic ruin I have similar shinanigans with Ares doom special and the Chiron bow
snow furnace
I have a question about the mechanics of (spoiler from 1.0 please be warned) ||the sigil of the dead. Can you get smoldering air with it?||
cause I've been trying and I'm prolly just unlucky but I've had like 5 opportunities with rerolls and didn't get it.
untold quiver
@hard holly I mean, Hunting Blades is definitely a thing so there are some builds you want Ares for
snow furnace
and I fixed the mirror for it
cunning urchin
Merciful End was the dominant meta for a lot of aspects for a long time.
magic dagger
still is
cunning urchin
Yeah.
rich kelp
has anyone seen if the dash upper aoe hammer applies to Gilga, ie applies maim to all targets?
manic ruin
Bow:
Relentless volley, twin shot, or point blank?
magic dagger
*chiron
hard holly
Twin shot probably
snow furnace
oh yeah mb
magic dagger
but even with chiron you can often get better dps by using it like the default bow, with twin shot, than by using relentless volley special
manic ruin
I have explosive and using hera, so going for big one shots now XD
I have option for Aphro cast, or should I keep looking for Posidon Cast?
snow furnace
if it's stronger I would say yeah but up to you
may be easier to have multiple casts hit on aphro cause no extra knockback
manic ruin
Well I load all my shots into one anyways
Cause my windup time is so long
And my attack has knockback already
onyx parcel
Lost to redacted again
For the third time
Had such a good build
If I lasted 5 more seconds he would’ve died
manic ruin
^^
onyx parcel
I had 8 hp
And stubborn roots
But didn’t work out
Acorn + 2 DD + stubborn roots
And I still died
Man
onyx parcel
That run got me 360 darkness
So two more runs and I’ll be able to get 3 DD
by then I can prob beat it
astral light
Is there somewhere i can find a list of builds ?
i just unlocked aspects and i don't really know which builds to aim for in game so idk which boons to take
reef galleon
Honestly, the answer is any boons. They're all meant to be fun.
manic ruin
I love the hera bow so much, 1k dmg every shot XD
astral light
I did like only one run where i really aimed for specific boons with zeus/dionysus and rail gun and it was pretty good
but you know its hard to find builds idea when you dont know much boons/duos
formal fjord
What would be a good build for guan yu?
returning player, I dont got no clue on what is good
magic dagger
serrated point with athena attack and hunter dash
quick spin with athena attack
charged skewer with deadly flourish
formal fjord
Okok, so I take athena boon and hope for attack? What boons are even good?
magic dagger
those are the three basic builds that work best for me, but the spin build is slow and I don't like it much
trim gate
is it possible to have 100% dodge chance?
magic dagger
no
gritty crater
Hey guys, complete begineer here . Bought the game 2 days ago and have finished it twice now hoping to do more. I was looking at the speed running cups and seems like people focus a lot on different types of builds. Is there any collection of builds on a forum or somewhere which i could take a look at?
astral light
i have a starter with epic lightning strike
gritty crater
@magic dagger just saw that before coming here 😂
One of the few i could find
Otherwise I cant find any forum or reddit with a collection of builds yet :(
magic dagger
@gritty crater to see new stuff, you should play the game yourself or watch streams and whatnot
nobody really compiles their builds anywhere
manic ruin
How do I get sweet nectar duo boon?
manic ruin
I have them and 3 more times after I talked to their boons, still haven't found it. Is it a chance to find it?
gritty crater
@magic dagger thanks thats ehat i will be doing :)
manic ruin
I have aphro cast and posi strike
I already have athena aphro duo and athena posi duo
formal fjord
Best attack boon for quick spin guan yu?
prisma raven
is there any reason at all to use aspect of poseidon if you have stygian soul
on paper they seem totally incompatible
twin viper
try dynosius zeus duo with hera bow guys. Its like Boom!! and then Buzz buzz!!
formal fjord
same with dio demeter
manic ruin
I can't decide between quick reload or swift strike. I'm going for massive oneshots with aspect of hera and I have super slow charging time for power shot. Is it worth it to give for the attack speed rare? Or stick with quick reload rare? I also can get greater evasion rare
hybrid wave
quick q about companions: does ||rib|| aggro bosses? Does ||fidi|| petrify them? Trying to decide where to put my resources
turbid needle
I just had a run with the bow with the hammer upgrades that make the attack bounce to 2 additional enemies, the one that you cannot powershot but you can keep shooting, and the zeus boon that makes your attack fire chain lightning. room clearing was SO easy.
small stirrup
@hybrid wave Yes Skelly Aggro bosses but Fidi sadly does not petrify bosses
untold quiver
The game really boils down to two modes of combat, room clear and single target......if you lean too far into one, later stages can give you some fits
turbid needle
Yep. you can however make the best of it even in some other fights, room clearing also gives you good chances to at least reaching the end. I do think that it boils down also to compensating for oyur own strengths and weaknesses
hybrid wave
thanks @small stirrup ! Maybe I will invest in skelly then
also btw 2nd fist aspect + poseidon is very fun
small stirrup
Agreed 
unborn inlet
What's people's thoughts on hungry knuckle fist of methpelon
Cause I am about to punch my computer in frustration, might be one of the worst upgrades I've gone for lol
Sorry heavy knuckle.
cunning urchin
I think Heavy Knuckle is fun. It's especially interesting because it adds some variety to Malphon builds.
E.g., Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike benefit quite a lot more from Heavy Knuckle than Lightning Strike does.
unborn inlet
I think I made a major misjudgement in my build when I went for dyonisus perks then went and got heavy knuckle. Even still, it feels extremely clunky, and the 3hit leaves you open to counterattack from melee enemies
cunning urchin
Hmmm, no. It should be fast enough to stunlock enemies with the 3-hit combo.
unborn inlet
Nope, skeletons in asphodel and melee dudes in elysium were faster than me with the 3 hit combo
turbid needle
any tips for shield? I can beat the game multiple times on 9+ heat runs with all other weapons but i cant even beat the game with no heat shield and its quite frustrating.
empty robin
thick raptor
I'm a big fan of Zeus shield, slap Zeus or Dio on your special
I often forget to make use of the block and still do quite well with it
Nice thing is you can still attack while its thrown
spark lotus
Why Chiron extreme chaining I described in feedback should be a thing? It's broken isn't it?
cunning urchin
Requires two specific hammers and an Epic boon from Lord Hermes. Sounds fine to me.
magic dagger
I don't remember which of the devs said it, but they want us to feel like we're gods at the end of a good run
cunning urchin
Amir in a Q&A here.
hard holly
Plus Im pretty sure htere are more broken builds
cunning urchin
"Breaking the game" once in awhile when everything goes right is fine.
hard holly
Its possible to get through each hades phase in one shot
spark lotus
That makes sense
spark lotus
But now I don't feel like I've earned that 32 heat clear 
untold quiver
Yeah that's part of the fun of a roguelike, when everything lines up that run is Amazing
cunning urchin
A win's a win. 
small stirrup
Nice
cunning urchin
If you think a build is broken good, just see how far you can push the heat with it.
onyx parcel
275 hp + 2 DD + acorn + stubborn roots
spark lotus
Btw I was building CoP with Dire Misfortune and it's a very nice combo for Chiron
hard holly
I really wish you could crank up hard labour even higher
onyx parcel
And also resist 10% from attacks from Athena, and resist 20% damage in festive fog
All of that
And I only had 12 hp left
hard holly
I miss 600% damage runs
Although, itd have to prevent the flame chariots from spawning
cunning urchin
I thought Beowulf with Charged Flight was way broken, people downvoted me, so I did 52 Heat with it when people didn't believe me. Eventually everybody suddenly agreed lol.
untold quiver
I had a hunting blades run were I just happen to get Artimis in like the third room of Tartarus so I could nab Posidon for Asphodel, and it was just blades EVERYWHERE.......it was amazing
hard holly
Yknow, I had charged flight on Beowulf yesterday
It felt ... so-so?
Its like, safe, but it does around 200 damage per throw
cunning urchin
It's nerfed to +200% or something now, no?
hard holly
Was Charged Flight higher than 200% base damage?
cunning urchin
Yes.
magic dagger
Please buff Charged Flight. 💗
cunning urchin
+400% or +500%. Don't remember. Way high lol.
+400%, yeah.
So x5 damage.
And Charged hammers are multiplicative lol.
untold quiver
Does the "Special dies more damage while your dashing" hammer come up with Zues?
magic dagger
now, I don't have a degree on the subject, but I'm fairly certain asking for a buff isn't the same as saying something is overpowered
@cunning urchin
cunning urchin
You forgot this one.
Beowulf Aspect is a lot of fun! Please make Charged Flight hit twice so I can deal with Damage Control and clear 57 Heat.
turbid needle
when you get exit wounds and crush shot, with the athena special on aspect of poseidon sword 😄
cunning urchin
4th Shield Aspect (Beowulf): While Charged Flight is hilariously strong, I think it's way overtuned relative to the other options. The one attempt on 41 Heat that I didn't get Charged Flight and had to make due with Bull Rush and Dragon Rush, my DPS was incredibly low, whereas with Charged Flight I beat 41 Heat in just under 16 minutes because most enemies died in 1-2 hits.
I think a proper balancing would maybe lower the base damage on Heavy Throw, keep Charged Flight damage as it is (to not hurt the 1st Aspect), and buff Dragon Rush damage in some way to make using this aspect's main gimmick more rewarding.
That's the one.
People were like "you only did one run with it, it's way too soon" etc.
So I did one more run with it, which was 52. 👀
👸🏽
hard holly
Nevermind I cant figure out which of the lines of code that hammer is
untold quiver
@turbid needle exit wounds on Posidon blade is always delicious
turbid needle
@untold quiver i also just go the boon from grandma that gives you aoe freeze on cast
since i have aphrodite's cast, it triggers the +40% damage for enemies having two statuses
hybrid wave
level 11 epic zeus call + smoldering air LOL
untold quiver
Nice!
turbid needle
my only worry is that i got the hammer boon with -60% max health but you can heal
i'm probably gonna die on theseus and minotaur
untold quiver
See that's why I go Artimis, you melt single target
manic ruin
Any advice?
Zagreus rail:
Cluster bomb
Targeting system
Hazard bomb (I have heroic artemis special)
turbid needle
i got aphrodite's call for singel target 😄
turbid needle
i think it's the call that deals the most damage though
turbid needle
artemis call is 10x100 damage with crit chance right?
Aphrodites is 2500 damage at max gauge, so they should be, on average, on par
untold quiver
Depending on the rarity and level
onyx parcel
What’s the easiest condition to do for 1 heat?
untold quiver
I don't believe Aphrodite ever increases in damage
onyx parcel
🗿
untold quiver
Middle management? Maybe EM 1
turbid needle
and doesn't affect the rest of the run
turbid needle
you have tisi and alecto chip in with their attacks once in a while
small stirrup
The furies team up
untold quiver
Whomever you fight ets te occasional assist from one or both the others
manic ruin
Is hazard bomb worth taking?
Bc it's that, cluster bomb (with artemis special), or targeting system
turbid needle
cluster bombs i my favourite
especially with artemis special, since each one of them gets a chance to crit
manic ruin
Hmm good point
untold quiver
What rail?
turbid needle
you can tighten the spread to make them all hit the same target
manic ruin
Zagreus
unborn inlet
Zeus shield, might be a bit insane?
manic ruin
I have pressure points and and lightning strike
unborn inlet
At least me using it with Ares on the special feels like it is. I imagine I could do a lot better if I put say, chill on it instead.
untold quiver
Is it your first hammer?
manic ruin
Na, I love ares in zeus shield, combo it with stacking doom? That's 500 per doom effect
smoky juniper
Zeus Shield with the ligthning improve is OP
turbid needle
@unborn inlet tbh zeus shield+zeus special is the bst, but ares special packs a good punch since the damage from doom is talways the same
untold quiver
I like cluster, but if you take it I would avoid rocket if it comes up later, cause you get locked into the animation
manic ruin
Hmm okay, thanks!
unborn inlet
I can imagine the zeus one getting ridiculous, especailly with that chance to double strike
manic ruin
Does pressure point stack with other crit effects?
turbid needle
yes
manic ruin
Awesome
turbid needle
having only 70hp to fight theseus and asterius is scaring me
hard holly
Yeah no I dont know if Zeus shield can get dashing flight
turbid needle
weak effects also charm
manic ruin
Damn that sounds stro mb g
turbid needle
15% chance to charm
untold quiver
Do you have a fast attack Zero?
untold quiver
That has weak on it? Cause that's where the charm really shines
untold quiver
You can charm lock them with a fast attack
Nah that's not the type of fast....I just remembered your playing the blade I don't know that anything on it is fast enough to charm lock
manic ruin
Is it worth upgrading pressure points or lightning strike on railgun?
turbid needle
i don't have weak on attacks sadly so
we'll see if i survive theseus. just got there, 80 max hp
.-.
turbid needle
unless you like to be right up enemies (to make all 9 arrows hit) it gives a bit more possibility for an underwhelming special to shine
leaden hare
I would suggest you upgrade to at least lv3
turbid needle
especially with stacking boons (dyonisus, demeter, etc)
leaden hare
also make sure to get add arrows upgrade if available
untold quiver
It's not Zeus level scaling but it's definitely way better leveled up
rustic coral
I found Zeus really underwhelming on Chiron, am I missing somthing?
orchid wasp
Is it just me, or is the 4th gun aspect really really bad
I figured it might be cool, with athena special where you can make deflection zones, but the default attack is soooo bad
hard holly
Its really good actually
orchid wasp
better than aspect of hestia? also how are you supposed to use it
turbid needle
wish me luck, got to hades
hard holly
Better than Hestia, no, but what is, really
But you use it with Zeus attack, Artemis support fire and zeus legendary
prisma raven
what are your guys' opinions on what talent is better:
death defiance vs stubborn defiance
infernal soul vs stygian soul
i'm confident on what i prefer for all of the other talent pairs
hard holly
First on both tbh
I dont tend to use up death defiances very often, and Id rather have multiple on bosses
bronze sorrel
Is it that good tho u only get 4 out of 9 arrows seeking
@onyx parcel
You probably want to get it fully upgraded, though you could potentially still make merciful end work using the special as a doom trigger
onyx parcel
what are your guys' opinions on what talent is better:
death defiance vs stubborn defiance
infernal soul vs stygian soul
@prisma raven death and Stygian for me
Just cuz I hate picking it up
But u prob get more dps out of infernal
@onyx parcel
You probably want to get it fully upgraded, though you could potentially still make merciful end work using the special as a doom trigger
@bronze sorrel I can upgrade one aspect to level 3 (3 total purchases from zero), what aspect should I go for for the max value?
prisma raven
i think death defiance is best too. i think i'll go stygian because like you said you don't have to pick it back up
cunning urchin
Death Defiance if you're new or play on lower heat. Stubborn Defiance for high heat.
pastel yarrow
Aight I'm in a game right now and I gotta know: do you lose a duo boons' effect if you swap out one of the boons that allowed you to get it?
cunning urchin
Depends.
prisma raven
hmm. that's an interesting answer mewmew
prisma raven
i'm inclined to agree based on what i know
bronze sorrel
Death Defiance if you're new or play on lower heat. Stubborn Defiance for high heat.
@cunning urchin
I feel like stubborn defiance can be better for very new players still struggling with basic rooms
manic ruin
I have cluster and zeus attack, what hammer should I get?
Targeting system (also have artemis special)
Spread fire
Seeking fire
prisma raven
wait no i was looking at the wrong talent. stubborn defiance is expensive
cunning urchin
Maybe. I've no idea to be honest, it wasn't an option for me back then, and I full-time Stubborn Defiance + LC4 nowadays.
onyx parcel
wait no i was looking at the wrong talent. stubborn defiance is expensive
@prisma raven u can get 600 with 2 or 3 runs
bronze sorrel
Like if you're dying every few rooms at zero heat might as well take stubborn defiance. You won't beat redacted but you might get further
leaden hare
tbh I think Zagreus aspects have the best value, if you have few titan blood.
onyx parcel
tbh I think Zagreus aspects have the best value, if you have few titan blood.
@leaden hare ur probably right but I don’t wanna have 10% damage resistant
cunning urchin
The aspects you use the most have the most value.
onyx parcel
I want the speed, the violence, the momentum
leaden hare
thats also true
cunning urchin
Spending Titan Blood on aspects you don't want to play is just a waste.
prisma raven
oh yeah what about fated authority vs fated persuasion
onyx parcel
True
hard holly
Uh, I dont think Zag shield has damage resistance anymore
prisma raven
persuasion has been useful for getting the prophecies done quick
onyx parcel
Uh, I dont think Zag shield has damage resistance anymore
@hard holly no?
dire wedge
zag shield has been turned into the attack damage shield
onyx parcel
Wiki says damage reduction
prisma raven
zag shield has strength upgrades
hard holly
Wiki is outdated
onyx parcel
Wow
hard holly
It ups attack and dash attack damage now
manic ruin
(Zag aspect) I have cluster and zeus attack, what hammer should I get?
Targeting system (also have artemis special)
Spread fire
Seeking fire
prisma raven
the shield or the aspect
onyx parcel
It ups attack and dash attack damage now
@hard holly how much at max level
I have cluster and zeus attack, what hammer should I get?
Targeting system (also have artemis special)
Spread fire
Seeking fire
@manic ruin try any of them
dire wedge
+15 i think?
hard holly
15 I think?
manic ruin
Okay ty
bronze sorrel
I liked the Damage Reduction better :/
onyx parcel
Honestly
prisma raven
it's not a percentage
prisma raven
yes
prisma raven
probably
onyx parcel
Doesn’t shield do like 25 base attack
prisma raven
ok yes 25 is base damage for the standard attack
cunning urchin
Well, we used to make a meme of Zag Aspect shield until they answered our call. So that worked out.
prisma raven
and the dash attack too
onyx parcel
Does the 15 bonus get taken into account in terms of boons??
cunning urchin
We also made a meme of Varatha and that worked out.
onyx parcel
Like + a percent damage
cunning urchin
And lastly bow . . .
next moss
omg i'm in the most boring run possible
onyx parcel
Does it do 40percentage or 25percentage+15?
prisma raven
accounted for in terms of boons? what do you mean
onyx parcel
Yea that @prisma raven
next moss
every fight is stalling
onyx parcel
Like attack damage up
onyx parcel
U know how boons give u a percentage attack damage
dire wedge
chaos is and always will be king, even after the nerfs
untold quiver
What call do you have @next moss
prisma raven
are you asking if it gets added before or after the percentage boost?
probably before
next moss
aphrodite
prisma raven
my zag shield isn't fully leveled so idk
next moss
i'm waiting every fight for the greater call for 2500 dmg
prisma raven
it sounds good
onyx parcel
it sounds good
@prisma raven it does
next moss
i love it
magic dagger
@onyx parcel the base damage for the zag shield is 40 at max level
prisma raven
my shield strat is usually based on specials tho
cunning urchin
Zag shield is pretty good now, yes. I still don't really use it.
prisma raven
or the charge shot upgrade
magic dagger
percentage boons are based on that number
prisma raven
aka bull rush which doesn't get +15
onyx parcel
percentage boons are based on that number
@magic dagger that’s means it’s extremely helpful, right
magic dagger
+50% attack will give you 60, not 52
onyx parcel
Do I take that instead of chaos
prisma raven
yes if your strategy is based on using the shield's actual attack
dire wedge
zag shield with pulverizing blow packs a wallop
onyx parcel
Idek what my shield playstyle is
prisma raven
that does sound good scarface
cunning urchin
Well, then take both and see which one you like more.
prisma raven
my shield main has been zeus so far
onyx parcel
Well, then take both and see which one you like more.
@cunning urchin “give up” strategy incoming?
prisma raven
because metal blade
cunning urchin
No.
magic dagger
just get blood and buy both
prisma raven
explosive catch is pretty good with zeus because the shield never has to go very far for you to catch it again
cunning urchin
Level one, do runs with it, and get more Titan Blood for the other.
magic dagger
you can get a lot of blood
untold quiver
I think with the bump to # of attacks I'm gonna look at a dash attack Achilles so instead of spear in blade rifts, dash out I'll be dashing in and spear escaping lolol
prisma raven
alright i'm going to run zag fists plus plume real quick because it sounds fun
my zag fists are only at level 3 but it should be fine i think
untold quiver
I like plume with the fists, I need to try it out with the new one
hard holly
Oh yeah, is the butterfly keepsake still additive?
cunning urchin
I used to run Owl Pendant > Pointed Arrowhead > Lambent Plume x2 in all my runs with Zag Aspect Malphon.
Very sure nothing has changed about the Pierced Butterfly.
hard holly
So, its still bad then
rose iron
Honestly ever since I got ||Pom Blossom|| I've never stopped using it.
shadow ridge
What do you do with the fists? They don't seem to get the mobility/speed/damage of other weapons
magic dagger
nyaanyaa mewmew is typing
rose iron
Things that are good when they rapidly proc.
rose iron
Also, fists get PLENTY of mobility if you abuse their dash attack.
Punch x5, dash attack, punch x5, dash attack, repeat.
cunning urchin
The first 40-heat clear pre Nighty Night was done with Pierced Butterfly. I don't know if I can agree with "bad".
magic dagger
Build for shield?
@onyx parcel aphro attack, dem special, trippy shot, hunter dash, dashing wallop, ice wine
cunning urchin
@magic dagger I actually need to sleep lol.
shadow ridge
Still need to get fairly close and the damage is weak
onyx parcel
Hunter dash is dash strike up, correct?
magic dagger
yep
onyx parcel
What does wallop do again
magic dagger
your dash-strike is bigger and stronger
rose iron
The shield's best DPS is when you attack and cancel into a dash attack, then do a normal attack again, wash, rinse, repeat.
magic dagger
ice wine is good damage and makes your attack apply privileged status
slim scarab
what boons for chaos?
cunning urchin
@shadow ridge Divine Strike, Divine Dash or Hunter Dash, and if you took Divine Dash instead of Hunter Dash, throw in some other core boon from Lady Artemis to unlock Deadly Reversal and Support Fire from her tree.
rose iron
@shadow ridge The damage is only weak if you don't have good boons. It adds up VERY quickly once you have some proper upgrades.
cunning urchin
Alternatively, Lightning Strike and Curse of Agony are strong, but then you'll only really want Divine Dash.
magic dagger
you need another artemis core boon regardless; hunter dash isn't a deadly reversal prereq
onyx parcel
God I hate the bow so much
magic dagger
God I hate the bow so much
@onyx parcel bow is good. get hunter dash, spam dash-strikes
shadow ridge
How do boon unlocks work? I just go unga bunga pick boon rn
cunning urchin
Wait no, you're wrong. Hunter Dash works for Deadly Reversal.
Did they change that?
onyx parcel
I hate playing bow
reef galleon
Get flurry shot
mortal fjord
agreed
reef galleon
are you playing on KBM? @onyx parcel
cunning urchin
- Deadly Reversal (Athena x Artemis): adjusted requirements for this to be offered
Urgh.
mortal fjord
xbox controller
onyx parcel
Controller
magic dagger
neither dash works any more
rose iron
Base bow is pretty lame. Rama and Chiron are great.
magic dagger
base bow is good
reef galleon
why bow lame
magic dagger
rama is a melee weapon
tacit dirge
hera is also great for melting enemies with a good cast
turbid needle
bow is still the only weapon i killed the last boss with lol (base)
cunning urchin
They nerfed my main Malphon build twice now. 
shadow ridge
They're onto you
cunning urchin
They also took the Attack speed from Zag Aspect's first hit away, so there's no point for me in using that now.
And the build doesn't work like I used to play it anymore either.
shadow ridge
But thank you for your advice nyaanyaa, or is it mewmew?
cunning urchin
Nyaanyaa.
ornate remnant
What is Artimis/Posidon mult strat
cunning urchin
Flamewheels.
mortal fjord
for someone new to the game (12 hours) how do i get better? after joining this discord i feel like im doing things all wrong
cunning urchin
Erm.
onyx parcel
U play
cunning urchin
#1: Practice, practice, practice.
onyx parcel
It’s 4Head but u play
ashen spear
Hi! ~
mortal fjord
if thats all then thats great cus i usually dont play games like this
bright flint
yeah that's the thing about roguelite, you die until you get better
magic dagger
#2: Profit
ashen spear
Who should I give the elixirs to? 🤔
magic dagger
everyone
ashen spear
But who should you prioritize?
magic dagger
gods, and anyone who sings well
cunning urchin
If you want to know meta builds to help you understand what boons to go for with each weapon, I made a simple guide that doesn't get unnecessarily complex. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
magic dagger
after that, everyone else
bright flint
the ones you simp for
unique crystal
the ones you simp for
I felt that one
cunning urchin
#h1-for-new-players is always a good place to ask for tips if you're new. Lots of players struggling with similar problems that can share how they've overcome this or that.
unique crystal
Or you give 1 nectar to everyone so you get all the keepsakes
ashen spear
I simp Cerverus 😳
unique crystal
and then focus whoever you simp for
half crater
give all your nectar to bouldy
(don’t actually give all your nectar to bouldy, that’s a terrible idea)
but srsly do it
(no don’t)
ashen spear
Thanks for the guide btw
@cunning urchin 
cunning urchin
The first thing you should do is give all of your Nectar to Lady Aphrodite.
All of it.
bright flint
bouldy is actually the only one who support you btw, everyone else just stab you in the back later in the game
cunning urchin
And devote your life to her.
ashen spear
Soooo--- I'm going to give the nectar to Artemis and Aphrodite, for now I'm playing with the bow.
cunning urchin
That's . . . that's it.
unique crystal
But
magic dagger
then give all of your ambrosia to lady aphrodite
cunning urchin
Yes.
ashen spear
At the moment I'm stuck with Theseus. I can handle the minotaur but not Theseus, any advice for bow player?
magic dagger
and then build for ice wine because crush shot isn't good
magic dagger
At the moment I'm stuck with Theseus. I can handle the minotaur but not Theseus, any advice for bow player?
@ashen spear dodge the spear throw
small stirrup
Don't use bow
tacit dirge
the range on it is so bad though
ashen spear
'kay
magic dagger
when he recalls it, he will turn around and walk away. that is when you can shoot him really easily
prisma raven
no bow-specific advice but i always try and take out theseus as fast as possible, mostly ignoring asterius
unique crystal
Hexagryph is where it's at
cunning urchin
Anyway, I need sleep. Hopefully people can help you out with bow.
onyx parcel
Anyway, I need sleep. Hopefully people can help you out with bow.
@cunning urchin are u EU?
ashen spear
Well, I'll get to play. Thanks for the help ❤️
bright flint
@ashen spear You can also stay behind the pillars to stop the spear
onyx parcel
Have y’all checked out Hades devs AMA on Reddit?
cunning urchin
No, I'm Nyaanyaa.
Also, keep an eye out for @hearty elbow for your bow questions.
ashen spear
@ashen spear You can also stay behind the pillars to stop the spear
@bright flint Nice uwu
cunning urchin
(#1 bow player)
ashen spear
I've been on the server for 5 minutes and I already feel like Dusa .
cunning urchin
How so? lol
reef galleon
You want to clean it up?
shadow ridge
Pay attention to what theseus does. He has few moves
onyx parcel
Duda voice acting cringe
unique crystal
I feel like Dusa whenever I am in the precense of anyone from the audio team
ashen spear
Yes --- I wanted to give a compliment but it went wrong. Ignore it.
shadow ridge
I thought it was a bit weird at first, but I warmed up to dusa
unique crystal
I warmed up to every character tbh
cunning urchin
Did @ashen spear disappear to clean the rafters now?
ashen spear
I'm here
cunning urchin
That's not like . I'm disappointed.
rose iron
I just want to pat Dusa on the head.
magic dagger
I want a hug
cunning urchin
Oh lol.
ashen spear
🥺
shadow ridge
Could use more in my life
wintry plume
ok but apparently demeter's special works wonders on guan yu?
Especially with Zeus' attack and static discharge
manic ruin
Any fun builds with Posidon blade?
drifting vale
Theres always exit wounds
turbid halo
Forcing artemis for cast + exit wounds always works well, though you really want Flurry cast for that to feel smooth
If you're good at melee weapons (I'm awful), then starting Poseidon to aim for one of his several cast duos is pretty good
I say good at melee because Curse of Drowning does tons of damage but forces you to be up close
untold quiver
Hunting blades is fun
tacit dirge
curse of drowning legitimately feels like playing Garen in League of Legends
drifting vale
Does exit wounds do anything while using demeter/ares cast
snow furnace
no
it doesn't
however, it won't be offered to you if you have those boons
it will only be offered if you have a cast it does work on
same thing with dionysus cast btw
it doesn't work with him either
turbid halo
I think Exit wounds is only offered if you already have a cast that can lodge
snow furnace
yep that's what I said
hard holly
Man, getting hoarding slash on Arthur is weird
Its still the same amount per hit ,right?
hearty elbow
It should be, yeah
hard holly
Well the other options were worse, and I havent gotten it yet for prophecies, so I guess Ill take it
Kinda lame tho
unkempt pagoda
hoarding slash is odd in that it’s just a straight bonus
snow furnace
I mean I've really tried to make it work, but you're usually better off just buying boons or whatever
unless you're really commited
which you can do, and is fun every now and then
but incorporating it into a build is weird to do
onyx parcel
Aye I got a second win right after the first one
marsh dawn
Usually how it happens. Congrats!
marsh dawn
Poseidon or Hera for cast builds?
hearty elbow
Both are good
Hera has being a bad Zagreus Aspect as a backup, and Poseidon is better for pure casting.
rose raft
What's the 24th keepsake, and whom do I get it from? I've talked to everyone at this point... all the websites with info about keepsakes list 22 or 23. Have done 2 full clears for reference.
marsh dawn
Thanks @hearty elbow . I haven’t done a cast build yet, so I might start with Hera. Is the cool down cast decent or just roll with the +2 purple choice?
hearty elbow
It depends on how much Bow you want to play lol
midnight anvil
I got a boon playing last night, and I can't find it on any lists. I dont recall who gave it to me... Every time I hit an enemy, it restored 2 life. Others were for special and cast, also giving life on hit. It was INSANELY OP, and now i cant figure out where it came from haha
hearty elbow
If you want to do not very much Bow, then Infernal Soul is better, but I've done runs (especially at level 1 Hera) where I used Trippy Flare for utility with Stygian Soul
marsh dawn
That’s from a hammer
static jacinth
I forget, does Swift Strike from hermes let you bull rush faster?
marsh dawn
A tale as old as time.
hearty elbow
Stygian Soul has a much higher upside even if you just get 1 extra cast, but Infernal will be better on average.
hard holly
Alright, time to finally do a run with mult-maim
deft quiver
guys
heartbreaking choice here
got the rama bow, daedalus hammer is offering repulse shot/sniper shot/chain shot
hard holly
To be fair
lethal chasm
man i wish i could refund titan
hard holly
I havent either
lethal chasm
without even thinking
deft quiver
btw this is my first run with rama bow and it seems op as hell
deft quiver
the base damage and range is insane and the shared damage thing is strong too
special has tracking and bouncing so u can just inflict the status on lots of mobs and kill them with attack
lethal chasm
ive only rly used shield and gloves
hard holly
Its very good, yes
deft quiver
i like sword and bow the best 👍
but i play all weapons
i like shield the least cause the button mashing is too extreme
bow is chill you one shot everyone 👍
tiny sundial
For my melee infernal arms runs, I've started gravitating towards always picking Aphrodite special to begin with. Weak has so many potential benefits between PS, sweet surrender & straight up damage. It also seems like Aphrodite boons are all either generally good or improve weak unlike the other gods whose boons split between two functions maybe except for Dionysus who more often than not ends up on my attack...
deft quiver
crit runs are OP if youre a beginner too
u pick nemesis sword or base bow
go for an artemis/aphrodite run
if possible get the heart rend duo boon (50% crit damage on weak foes)
tiny sundial
aphrodite's duos with artemis/ares/dio are all great
hard holly
Huh, interesting
deft quiver
with a bow crit run i once got twin shot daedalus boon and the one that changes your shot into rapid fire and no charging so I had tons of crit and DMG + this
I think it was the strongest build i ever had on this game
random light
i cannot, for the life of me, figure out what kind of build to run for Shield probably doesn't help that I dislike Shield out of all the weapons but I want those sweet bounties
any suggests?
deft quiver
knockback stuff
tiny sundial
chaos shield, ares special seemed like a pretty obvious choice
hard holly
Aphro or artemis attack with sudden/minotaur rush
Or the ranged rush
Or Aphro or Artemis attack with regular hits and dash attacks
random light
I've been using Chaos Shield, I've got it maxed out, i think my current run is just bleh with the boons ;-;
hard holly
Ares special works, its very safe, just very slow and very boring
random light
thanks
deft quiver
i like the poseidon boon that does like +300% damage when u knock foes against walls
random light
shield gameplay in general tends to be super safe, but slow and boring but I guess we can't have all the weapons be like sword, rail, bow
random light
welp time to grab Poseidon's trinket and cross my fingers
random light
incidentally, I know they're taking a break after the V1 release, but is there any news of potentially adding more deities to get boons from?
hard holly
Eh
There is nothing slow or boring about using sudden rush to zip across the whole map
Who were was a speedrunner again?
deft quiver
its not slow but its kinda boring compared to other weapons
i mean it depends on personal preferences anyway
hearty elbow
Since they tuned down Chaos and Beo they should probably revisit some of their hammers. One of Chaos' biggest advantages at high heat was that virtually all of the hammers are quality of life, instead of damage multipliers. Since you didn't need a hammer you could just seed for an epic boon in room 1
hard holly
Is there a way to find a seed that has a specific hammer with specific choices in room 1?
hearty elbow
The way I started doing it, ala @steady hatch is that when I see room 1 with a hammer, I'll turn on AP1/2 and bounce around between different aspects to see if it's something I'd like to do, and plan a high heat run with that hammer/aspect. (The idea being that in a single seed, each aspect will have a hammer in room 1, but they'll have a totally different set)
hard holly
Not quite what Im looking for
hearty elbow
No, there isn't a way other than honorable sudoku.
hard holly
I want to find a way to force a hammer with the hidden aspects unique upgrade in room 1
With the fists hidden aspect
For testing purposes
deft quiver
btw did anyone win a max heat run ?
hard holly
Because as it turns out, Hades is a bit weird about loading data
deft quiver
is it possible ?
hearty elbow
The game is pseudo-random. Every time you die, you're given a seed, which is the origin of all RNG events that happen. By figuring out which events iterate the RNG function, and lots and lots and lots (and lots) of iterations, you can map out a route through the game that will ostensibly let you get whatever boons you want.
deft quiver
ah alright
hard holly
Oh
I think I just realised why its weird about loading data
Its so that when you continue a pre-patch run after the patch
It doesnt mess with your build
hearty elbow
The highest un-routed (but still seeded) run was 54 with Chaos by @steady hatch
Though all those records don't matter anymore since Aegis got pooped on :3. All hail Spear and Bow, the very unlikely contenders for best high heat weapon
hazy slate
which boons are good for sword
hearty elbow
For non-Poseidon, Aphro/Athena/Artemis attack with Athena/Artemis dash
Zag aspect even after buff still plays like a neutered Nemesis Aspect, so the answers are the same for them. Artemis attack is very very good on Excal, for thicc crits
jade rover
So, does the|| aspect of Beowulf|| also increase cast damage when you level it up?
last pollen
whose boons are good with fists? using athena mostly but want to try something different
hard holly
On the first 3 aspects, Zeus on attack, Aphro or Artemis on special usually
static jacinth
Ares works well if you keep up constant smacks.
Demeter is perfectly good too, much safer.
hard holly
On a sidenote, Im in Styx now with mult-maim ||gilgamesh||
Feels much better, there is actually a reason to use maim ,even if its still hella risky
But I feel like ||Gilgamesh|| has a bit too much hitstop on the attacks
hard holly
In the main game, yes, Id say its not worth using Maim
Though I cant speak to consensus, thats just what I think
In the "modded" version Im using (though I can hardly claim to have done proper modding, I just added one line somewhere) its actually worth using in the right moment
silk anvil
I just want special weapon applications to work consistently. Apologies for not ctrl+F'ing an answer to see if this has been discussed before, but, is there a comprehensive list of who's specials work on different weapons?
It's been a minute since I've experimented, but it's a real bummer to have Dionysus/Demeter have their specials proc multiple times with Chirons bow, but Zeus only gets 1 thunder bolt
Especially when I believe you get multiple thunderbolts when hitting different enemies with - say -- the default bow
spark lotus
@hard holly Btw do you think it's easy to modify game to have Hammer rerolls?
random light
Man Artemis' max gauge call is so bonkers
that stuff massacres every boss in the game
hard holly
Ill check it out
silk anvil
that stuff massacres every boss in the game
@random light
I never have luck with it vs. Haded
hearty elbow
All lightning has a .2 second internal cooldown, so it's not like it's unique to Chiron.
rose iron
@random light Aprhodite's is super good too
silk anvil
All lightning has a .2 second internal cooldown, so it's not like it's unique to Chiron.
@hearty elbow
Disappointing; maybe I need to run DPS calculations on some good ol pencil and paper to figure out what's worth more
rose iron
Just a "Do 2500 to this thing right now" button in boss fights.
hard holly
But I think that, unless its in those engine files I have no idea how to read, it should be easy enough to make hammers rerollable
hearty elbow
Man Artemis' max gauge call is so bonkers
@random light If only it was less awful not at full charge.
magic dagger
dio's call is amazing at 1/4 gauge
you just have to be careful not to hit max or you waste it
hearty elbow
Compared to say, Dio's call, which is 15 * 2 * 5 * 5 damage
random light
what's the best Aspect for the punchies
hearty elbow
They're all good.
silk anvil
what's the best Aspect for the punchies
@random light
I like chill on em, but honestly, they're all good; notable mention to chain lightning and crit
hearty elbow
Demeter aspect maybe edges out the rest of them because it has inbuilt burst
random light
I just unlocked the new aspect, seems neat
I got the 10 Titan Blood from using all weapons, i guess i'll drop it into fists
silk anvil
Just a "Do 2500 to this thing right now" button in boss fights.
@rose iron
Also, the bad thing about this is when bosses go into Shield mode ;-;
spark lotus
@random light I like default aspect, just clean unadulterated punching
short shard
Hey does anyone know if Blood Frenzy death defiance buffs stack if it's in the same room?
silk anvil
I got the 10 Titan Blood from using all weapons, i guess i'll drop it into fists
@random light
Honestly, zag fist + reckless dodge chance mirror buff from near-miss dodges is top tier Mohammed Ali
sad they didnt make the secret tier of the fists a pair of boxing gloves
random light
yeah I've maxed out the Aspects for the other weapons I use (Nemesis, Guan Yu, Chaos, Chiron/Rama, Zag/Lucifer) so I guess I'll try out the fists
ora ora time XD
spark lotus
Imagine Demeter boxing
random light
speaking of other Aspects, did they buff Achilles and Rama the last patch?
rose iron
@silk anvil Yeah, this is why you gotta learn when their phase changes are so you don't waste it.
random light
Imagine Demeter boxing
Punched out by Ice Grandma
rose iron
I do feel like phase changes ought to be notches on the lifebar but to each their own.
random light
I just wait to throw max gauge right after a phase change
so I can be extra sure I don't waste any damage
rose iron
Same here, pretty much.
silk anvil
@silk anvil Yeah, this is why you gotta learn when their phase changes are so you don't waste it.
@rose iron
At risk of spoilers: ||the issue is, even with the "damage grants god charge" bluffs, I don't feel it charges enough times to be worth while. Maybe pop max charge on hades as soon as 2nd stage begins, but otherwise, meh||
rose iron
There's definitely some great moments to abuse calls. Like, if you get lucky and get Blade Rift Call + Consecutive Blade Rift damage...You can just MURDER Theseus when he enters his second phase before he even starts moving again.
silk anvil
Unless you can guarantee that I'm missing the way to do a 32 heat run, I'm gonna keep on avoiding her call like the plague
rose iron
A full call from his phase 2 start just...yeah. It's amazing it doesn't make Tis come after you.
Cause MUUURRRRRDEEEER
silk anvil
The potential for it to be spent on one of those INFERNAL CREEPS that can be summoned is 3 much 5 me
hard holly
Ok so @spark lotus its doable, but not particularly easy. If I understand it correctly (as always disclaimer: Good odds I dont) then its hard-coded to reroll boons
random light
Part 2 right after his phase change is when I drop my gauge if I'm using Aph/Arty
Although I usually manage to get two max gauges over the course of the final boss so one for part 1 and one for part 2
hard holly
But, if I can find the function used for it, I should be able to create a duplicate function specifically for hammers
spark lotus
I'm considering jumping into the code myself, but that rarely ended up well in past
hard holly
I mean, at the level Im doing it its pretty easy
silk anvil
In other news: ||whew boi. I knew about the Charon fight... but I thought it would only be a fight if you didnt pay back the money by the time you finish the game... imagine my face when fighting charon basically soul level 0 with some fists and a prayer... finished the darn fight with 10% hp and all deal defies blown||
@supergiant devs, yall are some sly dogs
random light
ok so I gave Artemis some Deity Juice because she's my fave and definitely the Olympian whose boons I use the most, and I got the bond thing, what does it do exactly?
silk anvil
ok so I gave Artemis some Deity Juice because she's my fave and definitely the Olympian whose boons I use the most, and I got the bond thing, what does it do exactly?
@random light
Which bond thing? Her trinket? Or max level trinket?
random light
trinket maxed out and gave her Ambrosia
so now there's a mini Artemis on the trinket and some text about a bond
random light
it's a cute lil Artemis face and I have an "Impenetrable Bond"
magic dagger
@random light the bond doesn't do anything, it's just an icon with flavor text
spark lotus
Also she now tells good things to you
silk anvil
Ah, the little clip art, yeah, I think that's just flavor text ||it doesnt increase the value you get from it or anything. I'm working to having it for all of them, I assume at best, you might get a prize for strengthening them all||
magic dagger
it looks cool. that's its entire purpose
random light
If they ever add Apollo to the game, will he sic giant scorpions on me for being too friendly with Artemis 🤔
silk anvil
Artemis will sick them on you herself
random light
Will I get the Orion treatment
spark lotus
Poseidon invited Zag to go to nymphs together
random light
Aphrodite is offering a divine dating service
Whoever at Supergiant came up with the Poseidon/Demeter Duo Cast boon, thank you so much
silk anvil
Whoever at Supergiant came up with the Poseidon/Demeter Duo Cast boon, thank you so much
@random light
Is that the slow moving projectile that shoots other projectiles?
random light
Yeah it's the slow ice shards that obliterate everything
That Duo and the Poseidon/Zeus one where knockbacks also zap with lightning are easily my favorite Duo boons in the game
silk anvil
Another one I'm fond of is Dio cloud + Zeus lightning + demeter cold = DPS party house cloud
silk anvil
I wish the base % chance to crit wasnt so low; I agree, but I always have to boost with poms early for me to take it
random light
i mean it's omni crit, you get crit for any damage, it's kinda nuts on its own tbh
spark lotus
@hard holly Can you do it and make it public?
hard holly
I mean I can tell you how to do it
spark lotus
Yes please
hard holly
Thats probably faster than downloading a copy of the file
Uh, just to be sure, are we allowed to say how to alter the game here?
Ill just DM you
spark lotus
silk anvil
game version build
Get out on that technicality.
Since it's not really multiplayer I imagine itd be fine, but I'm no game dev
hard holly
I meant more discord rules
hard holly
Did that, yeah
random light
ok so Demeter Fists, who should I try for initial boon?
whenever I'm not sure i just default to Artemis because crit lol
ashen spear
me: i finally arrived with hades, hey! It is one stroke away from dying!
- activates his second phase *
Finger pain was in vain.
hard holly
Artemis or Aphrodite
random light
man i have got to stop throwing all my Fated Authority rerolls on the first couple stages of Tartarus
:^)
covert hatch
Hey is Fiery Presence bugged? I'm getting the same damage numbers as Shadow Presence
silk anvil
it would be in pretty poor taste, probably
@magic dagger
not against the rules, though maybe just the etiquette of having a 1-on-1 conversation and using a group chat to do it; but the info I'm sure could be utilized by people regardless
man i have got to stop throwing all my Fated Authority rerolls on the first couple stages of Tartarus
@random light
why is that?
hard holly
Yes
Ive already F10d that bug
Funny thing is
Ive been using the trait since it came out
silk anvil
my experience with fated authority is that it's worthwhile in early game and less in the later...
hard holly
I never actually looked at the numbers though
silk anvil
though it's never been particularly helpful to reroll gods, because 9 times out of 10, you're stuck in the loop of Darkness > Gems > Dosh/Pom
covert hatch
Good to know, I'll toss a report in too
stone river
is dark foresight > olympian favor?
snow furnace
depends on the build
snow furnace
oh yeah probably then
still depends
but probably
cause almost all of them reward you for using both special and attack
even if you go zag aspect it's still likely better unless you're doing something weird or focusing on one god and get like a billion boons from them
but favor can be nice if you get a lot of support boons from various different gods, or something like vengeful mood, you get the point
even then it depends on what specifically you go for
but yeah favor
sorry for the long drawn out answer lol I like to think as I talk
stone river
no worries
so i just beat the game and curious what a fist weapon player would go / prioritize
hard holly
God the hitstop on the hidden fist aspect really feels excessive
hard holly
I mean having hitstop makes sense
You want the hits to feel meaty
But the hitstop is so much it feels like the game freezes everytime I hit something
silk anvil
God the hitstop on the hidden fist aspect really feels excessive
@hard holly
I didn't even notice; does it feel like it did when like every weapon had it a few patches ago? (a couple months back iirc)
snow furnace
wow I didn't even notice weapons had more hitlag a couple months ago, definitely skipped past that patch note and i didn't notice
hard holly
They also dont all have equal hitlag or hitstop
I think Rama bow has the most
Which is funny because I believe regular bow has among the least
unkempt pagoda
zag bow best bow
hard holly
Agreed
livid comet
*Guan Yu best bow
also anyone figured out how ||Gilgamesh|| should be built/played?
I really slogged through a run and almost beat FB yesterday
whoops, spoilers ig
main citrus
Question: Do people prefer fast ramping damage with Igneus Eden, or infinite amo but no ramping?